The Holy Grail Of Bowling Balls!! | Most Expensive Ball I've Bought!!
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Would it be worth sanding the Urethane portion down to be more flush with the reactive side? Sand then buff/polish just to round it out a bit more. I'd be interested in seeing that
Idk even how to go about that but i sure am going to try!!
Does anyone in Wichita have a Haus Resurfacing Machine? That should take the urethane down to flush with the reactive.
@@TheHouseBowling definitely going to need an update video once you do, because I bet that ball is fun.
@@BowlingDad Do this because you can't just "sand" one part of a ball.
@@bigrikstube you can, but you can't bowl on it, so sand that one area and then hit the entire ball with the same
I'm 39 and bowled since I was 9 with my dad and remember him buying this ball for a lot of money. He really wanted it cuz he was a quantum fan. It was a rock then and really hasn't changed, actually aged worse lol. Love the video and definitely interested in seeing you throw more retro bowling balls on modern patterns. I'm a lefty too so this is quite fun to watch. Cheers from Chicago
I remember when they came out. We were dealing with timber lanes where the fronts dried up quickly. Century 100 oiling machines with limited oil output and carpet buffers. Bad times for high rev players.
this was my centre! guardian on the front with the Century 100 oiling machine. there were maybe a dozen of these balls on the lanes and about a dozen of the double helix when it came out.
@@jodybingo I worked at a centre with Guardian. We had the full lane image stuff. We were glad to get HPL not long after
I'm surprised my guess was actually correct.
This ball looked pretty good back in the late 90s on dry conditions. Back then I bowled in an old 8 lane wood house with that soft guardian overlay on the front half of the lane. One of my team mates had a Quantum Helix. He threw what was only the second 300 in the houses 40+ year existence with it. In his excitement he jumped up and cut his hand on a light fixture and bled on the approach. Since he also happened to be the manager, the mechanic, the front desk man, and the janitor he had to cut his celebration short and clean up the lane.
ABC, now USBC, banned the technology so only two versions were made.
That sounds like my luck. I use to work the front desk at ours years ago. I had a key and would come in early and oil the lanes then throw a few games. Then I would roll a few games and relax before I opened at 6 pm. One day I was just having a good time and I rolled 2 games both was in the 240's. It was like 5 min tell 6 pm and a long line at the door. I said nope they are going have to wait. I had never rolled a 700 prior to this series. I ended up bowling and was about 10 or 15 min late to open for everyone else, but I bowled a 719. My very first 700 ever. I was even nice and kept the place open a hour late that night because the Fri night crowed was having fun, But it sure sucks to have to cut it short when you are bowling good. I still have not got my 300 game yet but I had several 700's this year and I did get my first 298 a month or 2 back.
@@jvmiller1995 Nice!
@@jvmiller1995 At least you had no injuries or cuts or something. My "luck" was to show up for Monte Carlo but there were too few people for the event itself, so I popped a 300. No $100 bonus lol
Brunswick sent me one of these after I bowled an 899 series in Delaware league in 1996. I can honestly say this was most frustrating ball I ever used. I saw same reactions as Packy in the first game. Ball never seemed to react same way twice.
@@mr899 What pin did you leave? I saw a few stories of you on google but couldn't find that answer.
Thank You Packy for reading your comments. Saw the quick definition for your term of ‘lacing it’. Loving the vlog!
Nice. I picked up a double helix (blue w red stripe) last year off eBay for just under $200. Still rolls pretty well if the speed is kept down or some friction. They can't make stuff like them anymore because of the dual surface. Think all balls now require single cover stock all round by USBC.
If you can still throw these in sanctioned competition, could these exact models be put back in production?
HAHAHAHAHA! Loved the intro 0:36. Literally spat my cereal out all over my phone. Would’ve definitely got me as a subscriber if I wasn’t already one.
Brunswick Rhino Pro X new in 97 . Was THE game changer for reactive balls . I bought one new then . GREAT ball .
Thank you for keeping the quality content rolling guys! We need it right now!!
The Walter Ray Ball. Great googly moogly could never get it to roll right 😆
Oh snap!!!!! I havnt seen this ball in forever
A friend and I found one of these in the back of an old pro shop in a bowling alley in rural Manitoba that we were working on taking apart. Asked the owner how much for the ball and my buddy got it for $20.
He’s also a 2-handed lefty. ✅
Also keep up the amazing content!
I miss my quantum leap and fire - the mushroom core man did some serious work
That ball is beautiful, a mix of urethane and reactive is crazy.
Insane concept!!
That ball looks sick!! That Saturn ring pattern is dope
Especially with it being 2 different materials!!
This thing is wild lmao. I love the thumping of it. It looks cool though. I couldn't figure out what it was doing at first but seeing it over and over it started to register. That's really cool though. It's one of the most distinct showings of your ball reaction as far as the flaring and all though since it's just one stripe.
Shot 665 in singles at the nationals ! When I picked up the VHS tape from the Video booth the guys said good bowling. He said he never saw anyone have more than a 3 bagger with it! lol.
It's Packy, automatic thumbs up. In the previous video (instagram) you shot using this ball I stated that I had a Double Helix NIB RH 16lb, I dug it out of the closet. 16.07lb Top 4.0 oz 3-4" pin Blue/Red Pearl RH. I know you get a million of these, but I'm gonna tag you in an insta post with pics of it.
Send me a DM with it!
@@TheHouseBowling Will do
Man I was working at a bowling alley at 17 around the time this ball came out, I remember seeing it in the pro shop. Wish I knew how expensive they would be all these years later, I would have bought a couple! Cool looking ball
I had a Quantum Raven years ago for my first ball. It was drilled similar to yours, but with a thumb. I’ll bet you could kill it with a ball like that. Still an iconic core IMO.
I still use my original Raven from 97. But I took like 15 years off bowling before returning this past year. Love the quantum line
You might want to try putting it on a haus machine with a diamond wheel to see if it can help round it out some. It might reduce some of that t humping. Looking forward to the next installment.
I think I have a couple of these laying around my house. I loved this ball back in the day, it rolled great for me. I may have some Sage Tours as well.
That is smooooooooth even with the noise it's making because of the different surfaces. I mean you obviously are an excellent bowler and know how to set it down right but watching it heading to the pins it looks like it's almost following a guided track. Great video and it's always a pleasure to watch you bowl!
When you were talking about the Holy Grail of bowling balls this was the first one that popped in my head for real.
Super cool idea and if it was fresh without the shrinkage, it might be okay.
Might try to surface it down and fix it to make it smooth!
Thought you were going to break out the $10,000 Mikasa mg green acrylic bowling ball. I was going to be super impressed
I think Fred Flintstone bowled with that 🏀 ball!
Enjoyed the video and learned what "lacing" it means. Is the opposite of lacing it, spray and pray?
Got to tour brunswick last week and got to see one of these in person and a few other vintage bowling balls. Really cool thing to see
Just plugged and drilled my dads 1994 (yes, children), Scarlet Quantum!!! Awesome ball… Hits like a Mack truck!!! Maybe Brunswick can look into that remake 😉
Really loved watching this thing going down the lane. I remember when it came out, and one guy in my league had two of them, the second he was saving as an investment. Never saw him, or anyone else bowl well with it. Want to thank you for this video, you saved me $400, I like to experiment too for fun, after seeing this, especially the thumping, I think I'll pass, great fun watching you though! 😀
@0:54 is that Justin bone in the back round 😂😂🤣👏
I was working my first pro shop job when this ball came out. Now I feel old.
I remember this sphere...looked pretty sweet going down the lane...love this turn back the clock moment!!
The rumbling from the switch sounds cool tho lol
The pins are probably thinking oh crap this is going to hurt.
How would it react if you resurfaced it to smooth the thumping out
Justin just chilling in the background 🤣🤣
That reacted totally the opposite than what I thought lol 😆 nice shooting buddy!
If you don’t have a quantum evo solid or pearl, I would highly recommend both of them, I have the solid and shot a high series of 678 out of box, and I’m getting the pearl here soon. Hope they release a hybrid to complete the trifecta
The original Helix was plagued with flaws. I recall the urethane strip separating often. They fixed these issues with the Double Helix (cranberry color stripe) ...the DH was also a superior ball. Won a few jr tournaments with that piece. Overall cool video... thanks for the nostalgia
Very cool. Maybe be able to put it on a haus machine to get it back even "round"?
I had this ball in 1996. Was using it during league when it didn't come back. Nobody ever did find it. It's probably still sitting under the subfloor at NuVision, which is now Bowlero Woodridge.
I owned one of these about 10 years ago. It was fantastic.
Haha I remember that ball back when I was a kid, I didn’t think it was so rare now
Is that a score change in the 5th frame? 😂😂😂 love the content, keep it up!
I really like this video! It had both audio and visual components! ❤😂🎉😢😮😅😊
There was a Brunswick ball made in about 1990-91 called the Phantom that had an extra pin. There were 3 different Phantoms... Black, Blue and Maroon (Burgundy?). The black and blue Phantom's had a weight block that looked like a flying saucer. The Maroon Phantom was some goofy 3 piece ball with a very light center and all the weight in the shell.
The Blue Phantom had a heavier weight block and hooked more than the Black Phantom. The Maroon Phantom was supposed to be like a Pink Hammer (little to no hook).
The Black and Blue Phantoms reacted very differently depending on which of the 4 layouts you chose for the ball, much more so than other balls... but it was very important to know your PAP to layout the ball correctly and a lot of people never got theirs drilled properly. I used drilling layout #1 with the Black Phantom and it was the most skip-flip ball I've ever seen. They never became really popular, in part because they came out just as the first resin balls arrived in 1991.
The Nu-Line Excalibur (first resin ball) was made by a guy from California in his garage. The resin got so hot that it kept melting his molds after like 100-200 (?) balls. He brought a lot of them to the Hoinke Classic tournament in Cincinnati, a 10-month long tournament which was the biggest handicap tournament in the world for several decades and everyone started putting up monstrously high scores with the Excalibur. He couldn't make them fast enough and eventually Colombia (i think) took over manufacturing, but they had less resin than the original Nu-Line balls and hooked a little less, but still more than Urethane.
That was the start of the resin era. It's funny now that urethane has made a big comeback and become popular again... especially with 2-handers and very high rev-rate bowlers.
Heey! I still bowl with a black phantom remake :) its a very good piece
Won me money on the Don Johnson sport shot. Good in league play some nights too
I've always wanted one of those ever since I was a little kid.
I KNEW that was the ball before you even showed it! I remember when those came out. SUPER cool! I knew 1 guy that had one.
got the helix in exchange for a slate u-dot, dude was rich and i was averaging 213 with the slate and he couldn't throw the helix so he thought my ball would help him bowl better, lol. Helped him with his game and eventually he started giving me the balls he didn't like, the best was the optyx, that was one balls i loved watching going down the lane.
Drooool I’ve wanted one of these forever!
I truly believe you can make any ball look good
I had one and you have to be careful with heat and cold because the two different surfaces will also separate. Basicly you end up with a cracked ball. I agree with one of the other commenters, you should try to smooth/round it out and try again.
Yo, P.H. I was wondering (since I saw you were throwing it in the 14mph range) what’s the difference in speed on the tour vs at your local alley?
Can you send it down to the point where it rolls smooth without ruining it
I wonder why no one has made a ball like this but all reactive? The design is so cool to see going down the lane!
Any possible way to put that ball thru resurface process to get it back to actually round lol. Did not use this ball when released but saw some who scored well with it
Gawwwwwd I remember that ball. I remember seeing the stripe “wiggle” then it would hit the dry and then the ring would flip end over end. They used to hook quite a bit.
I was a proshop manager back in the 90`s and early 2000`s in St. Louis. We drilled a lot of these balls until winter, and the cold weather made a lot of them to separate.
You said you want suggestions on what to do with the ball next? If you are able to smooth it out, how about drilling it in such a way that instead of it starting its roll the urethane and then on the reactive, drill it sideways so when it rolls it is constantly rolling between the 2 surfaces just to see what the ball would do.
Wonder how it would work on old style wood lanes.
I was thinking on today’s oils it wouldn’t react at all, even the reactive resin part
I grew up with my dad having 2 of those. A 15 and a 16. I then had the opportunity to buy back both of them. Which i did then ended up gifting him the 16 and i took the 15. I have only ever seen a double helix once in person.
I had also only seen it once before I purchased it myself!
So that ball is the original helix. The double helix came out a couple years or so later. The double helix is Blue with a Red stripe. Worth crazy amounts of money.
@@brendenkosanke9388 both are crazy! Might be chasing down a red and blue one soon as well!
You should buy the overseas RED HAMMER Pearl Urethane and review it. I haven't seen any videos of it being thrown on UA-cam or anywhere else for that matter.
I'm having fun watching these.
That made the weirdest noise but it sure is pretty to look at and a cool concept.
11:12 what was that noise haha, I’m rollin
Cool and I actually had the blue with red stripe Helix at one time.
That sounds like an old black Phantom I used to own, and tried with two different drillings and it never got off the thumbhole. I know you can't relate, but.. yep...
I remember talking with a rep about the Helix and he remarked that a better concept might be to swap the urethane and reactive locations of the ball meaning come off your hand and progress through the majority of the flaring process on urethane then finish from the break point through the pins on a reactive "ring". Of course the difficulty of trying to predict where a variety of bowlers tracks are going to end up rather than where they start out was a problem. I also recall watching staffers use the Helix where the urethane ring was wobbling right off their hand. Rather than the ball not being laid out/drilled exactly correct I speculated that they might be starting the ball on the edge of the stripe right off the hand in an attempt to closer emulate a typical reactive look.
One heck of a spare ball
I remember these balls retailing for $300...though you got a free Quantum spare ball. lol Interesting ball to show how resin continues to cure and get "harder" and urethane supposedly get "softer" over time.
The one time you can blame all your troubles on the ball LOL
Lol. I owned this one and the Blue with Red stripe and the 2nd version hooked like a mofo for me. Mid to late 90s and early 2ks balls were fun. Also though oil was basic so everything hooked lol. I had a pearl beast that would literally skid 48ft and make a 45 degree left turn. I left some of the most amazing leaves ripping the pocket with that ball. It was sooooo violent!
As someone who collects bowling balls , I have 2 if these brand new in the box 📦, yes the left hand and the right hand versions do make a huge difference, u can't switch them up , if u want a brand new in box one let me know , wish I would have known sooner you were looking for one of these
We have a 75 year old guy in Travel League here in Texas that still throws the quantum helix! Blows my mind
This ball performed well on my house shot in the 90s. 36 feet of oil. Can't remember how many units of oil on the inside but it was far less than what is out there today. Take a ball from today and use it in the 90s and it would roll out real early
Can you re-drill that same ball to get the rotation to only slide on the gold band? Curious to see what happens when you eliminate that thumping.
Defeats the purpose of the ball if he only uses the gold part. But there are a few other ways he can reduce the thump without redrilling
Helix!!! Very cool seeing you roll this ball. I have a Columbia Sur D Pro in the garage the original soft coverstock think it tested around 68. Drilled once no plug might have to take it to nationals and roll it 🤣 pretty sure going across the scales the track would leave marks on it. Great vid Packy!
I thought they'd let you toss a yellow dot but the Shore/Sur Ds are banned
@@coopergates9680 hahaaha yeah Sur D Pro or Shur D are banned from use at all usbc events. But I don't believe those checking in bowling balls are paying much attention to the old stuff. USBC needs new leadership in my mind!
@@hieverybody7612 Yeah they're looking for people trying to save a buck by drilling a sym ball with a balance hole to raise its flare instead of paying up for an asym. Or looking for a recently banned ball like the Spectre because it's slightly too soft, as if that means anything for modern strong balls. They're letting all manner of engines and oil vacuuming chemicals fly. Stupid shite
@@coopergates9680 usbc members are the people policing the usbc sanctioned leagues. As membership goes up what does usbc do for the average bowler? Your local association might give awards to those that have never won a award before. But usbc is two faced when it comes down to rules. Hell at one point a question came up does a bowling ball have to have holes and headquarters couldn't even answer that question. 🤦 duh it does not require hole or holes to be rolled down the lane.
Back in the day, these came out about a year before I had to give up the sport ( health issues ) and up to that point, I had tried all of the Quantum’s. Never liked any of them but the Purple one. I was constantly drilling new stuff but, probably the top 3 balls I ever used , Storm Thunderstorm , owned 3 of them, Orange Pirahna , owned a few of them bc they tracked out pretty fast and I never got the same reaction when I tried resurfacing. 3. Urethane Purple Angle. Shot my first 2 800’s and first 3 300’s with that one. Still miss the game today and haven’t picked up a ball since 97 I believe.
I remember when this ball came out. I didn’t see too many bowlers getting good results with it.
I very much want one or 2 of these balls. Keep me playing right when the fresh starts to burn up.
I think Brunswick needs to bring this concept back to the lanes with an more improved helix and double helix :)
I had both this one and the Double Helix (blue with a red stripe, and the stripe "shape" was different around the ball). Two of the most frustrating balls I've ever owned. I actually liked the original better because it got really good on dry lanes.
As others have said, see if you can Haus it down to where it doesn't thump. Of course, you know what that means -- you'd be decreasing the circumference of the ball a little and that lessens performance. Having said that, I will pay you to throw this in an actual PBA event just for the reaction video it would generate.
I saw Walter Ray throw that ball on TV a long time ago
Awesome video. I like how you put some surface on the joint after those first couple shots.
That ball was talk of the center when it was announced. Then it came out and about 10 guys on mens league got there first impressions with everyone else seeing if they should get one. Quite a few split the shells apart and the rest were for resale in proshop, were they stayed. Could not give those away
Cheetah pattern killer. Or, when bowling Belmo and you are way down. Take this out. The noise will drive him crazy. You'll get a moral victory!
The Thumper! That should be the name of this ball.
I wasnt worried you were worried 😂
Had this back in the day, always wanted the double helix, put that on the haus machine, it is used? Can you extract any oil from the cover? Hit it with some surface and polish and hopefully be close to factory finish. This is by far the best video I have seen you have uploaded! Holy grail bowling balls are the best, I've got an old gemtek rose kicking around and an optyx snake nnb, all my gear is 10 plus yrs old.. New stuff does not work for me
Looks like an expensive spare ball to me 🤣
Hooks too much to be a spare ball! Add it to the collection!
Awesome video. I'm hoping one day to get a Quantum Bias ball. A new relic to go with my T2 Rhino Pro.
What ever!!! Great job on that last 2 frames you hit your mark and because I took you on that bet I need to pay up!!!
Love it!
Wanted one when they came out but didn’t want to fork over the $$ for it. I recently drug an oldie out of the shed and had grips and a Switch Grip thumb put in my early 90’s Ebonite R2 for my league play as the lanes are on fire the third game, LOVE having back in play and it still hits great…maybe that should be your next buy Packy?
That ball came out right after I got into bowling at age 10. That ball was all over the place
This bowling ball is essentially like placing playing cards on the spoke of your bike when riding
The design seems to add one more variable that gives you one more chance to make a mistake. I use to roll my ball over the finger holes just to hear it thump.
Your videos are great, man.
I just started bowling about 2 months ago. So I'm not real knowable. Can you sand it down so they are even surfaces?
Looks crazy
No kidding super rare too!