Children arriving late for school.Buses rescheduling.People missing appointments. This is a disaster .Welsh people are suffering again because of Drakeford.
Kids come out of Schools staring at their mobiles with ear buds in each ear maybe teaching them some road sense would help more than punishing drivers because kids are addicted to their phones glued to their heads and so are their parents.
Where is the cycle proficiancy test, where is the green cross code man adverts. where are all the safety videos gone that we use to have in school. I recently read a post by someone that their car manual use to show you how to adjust the tappets on the camshaft. Now the manual just says contains battery acid. DO NOT DRINK. This is the society we now live in.
@@MichaelEdwards2 cycle proficiency is taught in schools, the people who voted Tory in 2010 voted in Cameron who closed the public information office. car manuals used to show how to adjust tappets, but most modern cars are OHC or electronic. We live in a society that appears not to care about the number of pedestrians killed on the roads, some drivers care more about saving a few seconds between stops at red traffic lights.
So drivers therefore should slow down ? he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
Measures such as this are not about safety, they're about control. Independent mobility means less dependence on the state. They want to reduce the number of people who are independently mobile, which they accomplish by making driving worse. Same as bike lanes and all the other various nonsense they implement. Accept that it's all about control and it all makes sense.
he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
In 1903 the national speed limit was raised to 20mph. In 1930 it was abolished as virtually no one was obeying it and as such it was encouraging disrespect for the law and potential law breaking in other areas. This occurred at a time when compared to today car overall top speeds were a lot lower, safety systems were few and braking systems were poor. So if it failed then, it will certainly fail now. Already most users do not obey to new speed limits and those that get caught will feel aggrieved and it will likely promote further unlawful behaviour due to a perceived unjust law.
it will only fail due to selfish, self-entitled and anarchist drivers who believe they have the right to ignore the law if stops them driving with no respect for anyone else. In the 30's there many more deaths with much less traffic
Some decades ago, one county in the USA put a 30 mph speed limit on part of an interstate that passed through, purely for revenue collection. The state told them to remove it, or they would build a bypass and leave the county isolated. Speed limits are not the answer to any problem, they can and will be ignored. Education to promote responsible driving is. @@tony_w839
@@tony_w839 In the decades following that, they improved road safety and the safety and training of drivers and pedestrians and that greatly lowered deaths. They did not however reduce the speed limit down, which has been shown by multiple studies to have a minimal impact on road fatalities. I live in an area of Wales where virtually all the councillors are Labour. Yet I cannot find anyone who supports the 20 mph law and driving around most ignore it. Which means you think the majority of the Welsh people are self entitled. We are not. We believe in reasonable laws not ones that impose unreasonable restrictions for next to no benefits. A few lives might be saved on the roads but many thousands more will die because of lack of health care, because health care costs money and the damage to the economy will mean a lower provision of health care.
Just consider this. It's estimated that the change in speed limit will save 6 lives per year Wales-wide. It's cost *officially* £30M to implement, but will cost far, far more in productivity, even ignoring the effect it'll have on tourism - let's say £1B per year. What would happen if that money were spent on the NHS in Wales? How many cancer patients could've been saved that will now die? How much could social care improve? Or the almost non-existent dental care? The petition to rescind this law is now close to 400,000 signatures and counting - well over 10% of the entire population of Wales - that's a lot of electorate to get on the wrong side of if you value your chances at the next election - they may want to consider listening for once.
It really could have been spent a lot better , I was unfortunate to have to ring for an ambulance a few weeks ago for somebody . 90 minutes to 4 hours they said 🙄
23 years in power, old mining communities blindly voting for these idiots, they can do no wrong so labour don’t have to appease their voters, in other words, they can do what they want. Drakeford is a control freak, put him together with Lee I hate cars Waters, it’s a deadly cocktail.
Pulling a figure of £1b out of the air does not make it real. Looking at the known costs of fatal and serious traffic accidents will however give you a real cost benefit.
I live in Wales. Last night I was driving at 20mph on what was a 30mph road. A wheelchair user crossed the road, I had to slam on my breaks and narrowly avoided hitting him. Thankfully he was okay. I can only think he misjudged the slower speeds and thought he had more time to cross. Some would argue the slower speed saved him from being hit. I think had the traffic have been moving at 30mph he wouldn't have attempted to cross in the first place.
The changes made to the Highway code last year state pedestrians have right of way once they start crossing unless on a motorway or dual carriageway so legally you should have stopped to allow them to cross. If there was an accident you would be to blame regardless of speed limit.
You are using crystal balls too much my friend. Well done for stopping but you simply can't read minds like you are doing. You saved his life by driving carefully and being alert at the wheel .... WELL DONE YOU !
The prime minster of Wales is like 'You will drive at 20mph otherwise you will be fined for speeding'. It is either Drakeford's way or the 20mph highway.
This is the same man who completely fxxxed Wales with the lockdowns and imposed the harshest penalties . He is a WEF green meany and justified it because of false premise..
Best not to kill anyone BOYO. he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
it's certainly not, its has already resulted in bus companies cutting their routes and timetables that they are unable to meet due to extra journey time, carers are also being impacted substantially due to the speed limit directly affecting how many social calls they can complete during a shift, hauliers are also having deliveries impacted due to excessive travel times to drop offs , it will cost the welsh economy billions in this ill researched poorly implemented ego policy by drippy dictator drakeford @@robsurname4054
There seems to be some significant confusion here in Wales over the Speed Limit change and so, I thought I would help by briefly explaining how the change works so that there can be no confusion: Any roads that were previously 30 will now be 20 apart from the roads that aren't going to be 20, which will still remain as 30. When you see street lights you have to assume that the roads will be 20 even if the signs still say 30 because despite the signs saying 30, the roads could be 20, apart from, of course, the roads (as explained above) which will remain 30 despite them being 20. It's also important to remember that there will still be a number of roads which despite them having streetlights will not be 20, and in these cases they could be 30, 40, 50, 60 or even 70, however, always bear in mind that even if the signs on these roads still state 30 they could, of course, be 20 unless they are one of the roads that have been designated 30, in which case the 20 restriction will not apply. I trust that clarifies. It's really not difficult. I cant take credit for the above as its been passed from person to person and the source has now been lost. But I hope that explains it.
@@1aberbeeg its bad. there is a road I travel everyday and there is a 20 sign straight from a national speed limit. But if you look at the overlay map it says this road is part of the exemption and is still 30. So why on earth put a 20mph sign on there. right outside the Council Offices in Ystrad mynach.
@@MichaelEdwards2The 20 sign is there to fool people into thinking its 20 officially , but it isn't,it's a deception . When I was bus driving, a passenger made his own bus stop sign and put it outside his place of work, to save a few yards walk. His face when we all ignored it was priceless, that would be my suggestion for the 20 sign.
Yes, now that drivers are behaving themselves the police can go solves some other crimes.. and the nhs can deal with more patients. he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
The only times I've seen someone get run over by a car is when the pedestrian just walked out right front of a car. No stopping distance, great brakes or cat-like reactions is going to fix that.
It's caused total chaos this week in my neck of the woods (the Llanelli area). There was a serious accident on the A48 in Carmarthen yesterday involving a coach. I saw the aftermath - the front of the coach was destroyed by some kind of head-on impact. We will never know if the ridiculous 20mph limit caused the accident because the morons who introduced it are also practised liars driven by what used to be known as loony left ideology. Even if it was not the cause of the particular (very serious) coach accident, this blanket 20mph lunacy will cause many accidents. Guaranteed. People staring at their speedos instead of watching the road; people speeding on the motorway to make up time wasted driving through a tailback caused by the 20mph limit; people frustrated and overtaking in what used to be 40mph zones: these are the things I've already seen this week. But any statistics will be lied about, flatly denied, or just buried. We're living in really bad times.
My experience driving in South Wales since policy introduced is that 1) the majority of drivers are ignoring limits, 2) incidents of dangerous driving have increased, 3) my fuel economy has decreased by an estimated 25%, 4) drivers are less considerate to other drivers, 5) traffic is worse than before the policy. In conclusion, I have nothing good to say about this.
12 English councils conducted or commissioned tests on the difference between 20-30mph and 12 results came back that there was no measurable difference.
I just Googled "fatal accident children wales"... Top couple of results were about the 2 teenagers killed back in may, riding an electric motorcycle without helmets, licence etc. at high speed in the opposite direction from the police in Ely... How will reducing the speed limit to 20 prevent this type of incident ?
My car is sitting at 20mph @1500 rpm in 2nd gear. Shifted into 3rd gear and car dropped to 800rpm and was stuttering. Shorter stopping distances but burning twice as much fuel.
Fairly flawed testing as reaction time distances would increase the gaps greater. I agree though that 20 should be kept for special locations as it’s likely to be more respected than ignored if everywhere.
In my area, I've noticed that since the new limits, some people are slowing down everywhere, sticking to twenty in the thirties and doing forty in the fifties. Very annoying.
@@gemlouise1260 I don't think there is any evidence to back that up. It's more likely that because of the new limits you are now noticing the MANY drivers who just aren't consitent and don't even know what the speed limit is where they are driving. Which has been going on since I have been driving back in 1987.
@@natsterjam I mean there is the evidence of my experience within the last few days on roads I drive every day, which is enough for me to go on to confirm that is indeed, real. It may not be true in general, which is why I specifically said 'my area'.
Drakeford will be retiring soon. Everyone needs to sign the petition, to send a clear message to his would be successor that the Labour Party in Wales have had it their own way for far too long, and this doesn't mean a vote for the other main establishment parties such as the Tories and Liberals. Vote Reform UK, both locally and nationally.
It's all part of the anti car agenda. Owning and driving a car is almost being considered elitist, and we should instead use the overcrowded public transport network, walk , or ride a bike! Here in London we have a similar lunatic to Drakesford in the shape of Sadiq Khan as mayor. The absolute absurdity of his rules means the poorest who have an older car are being forced out of them, with at the barest minimum a £12.50 daily charge - and that's as soon as you drive anywhere, to £27.50 per day if you drive into central London! Of course to the wealthy inhabitants of the capital, that you see in the so called summer super car season in their Lamborghinis, Ferrari etc etc are more than happy with these charges as it just keeps Sloane Square and Knightsbridge etc clear of the everyday person, so making central London their private racetrack. The irony of this daft situation is most certainly not lost on me. I am in the very lucky position to own two cars, one of which I changed last year to an EV. It could be argued that as I spent £85k on a new car which at over 5 metres long is certainly taking up its fair share of road space, and perhaps given the circumstances I should be in a better position to afford to contribute to London’s transport infrastructure. Instead I pay absolutely zero, and benefit from vastly reduced on street parking costs! Now like anyone I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and offer to volunteer to contribute, but I do feel there is something very odd about the current situation! By the way, London and some of the surrounding boroughs have also adopted the insane 20mph limit, interestingly its the Labour Council areas that are the most vociferous in enforcing this 'daft as a brush' limit, and without meaning to get too Political, I dread to think what will happen when Starmer, and his trotsky friend Raynor get in at the next Election!!
When I was looking into it all I think here in wales they want something like ulez introduced which would be hurrendous ! But I do feel for people who live in London , especially the outskirts who have now been dragged into a ulez zone !
Stick a middle finger up to Sadiq. I've got a 2004 4.4 V8 petrol Range Rover which gets 15-18mpg and is somehow ULEZ exempt! Yet my friends 2012 1.4 tdci Fiesta which gets 64mpg is not and would incur the charge. It's ridiculous, just glad i don't live in/near London
@@matthewhaddon599 Oh and the more Co2 your car produces the more tax you pay and the more your car feeds the trees.... strange one that eh? The more Co2 the greener the planet gets and it actually cools the planet more. Makes me wonder what the agenda really is when 0.04 of the worlds atmospherical make up is demonised and taxed...
I would argue whole heartedly that the highway code of the UK states that if a road sign says 30MPH then in court that is the limit. Anyone thinking like they're going to get collered and charged for going 20 MPH in a 30 signposted zone should remember this.
Car’s will be designed to work in accordance with the regular use. 20mph has never been regular use, so no wonder they won’t work well and cause excessive wear.
The extra distance travelled when stopping at 30mph you're going to be well under 20mph and ever slowing, it's unlikely you'd harm anyone in that extra distance especially in the focus
I have an automatic and it doesn't like 20mph at all. Prior to the recent introduction of the lower limit I deliberately drove to a town where they've had the 20mp limit for some time. It's where I have regular hospital appointments. I found it impossible to drive at a steady 20mph, even up hill. I was checking my speedo quite often instead of looking out for pedestrians and other traffic. I knew I wasn't driving as safely as I would normally. My speed varied from around 17mph to 23mph. My Cruise Control won't work below 25 so that was no help but, luckily, my car has a speed limiter and If I set that to 20mph, going uphill or on the flat I know my car will keep to that maximum speed and, if I'm going down hill, will sound a loud alarm if I exceed that limit. Exiting one roundabout on a 50mph road, the 20mph sign is behind a lamppost. If you're watching the traffic you won't see it. Another local road is 30mph one side and 20mph the other, the reason being that traffic leaving a roundabout onto that restricted road would cause tailbacks onto the roundabout suddenly changing from 50mph to 20mph whereas coming the other way the Council isn't bothered how long the tailback is. I think that's confusing. If the road can be driven safely at 30mph going in one direction I don't see how reducing the limit to 20mph the other side of the road makes life any safer for pedestrians. Most of my journeys take are either 20 minutes or around 40 minutes but much of that isn't in a 20mph zone. Consequently, journey times haven't altered significantly. I've been keeping a record but roadworks, buses and slow lorries have a greater impact so it's made very little difference to me personally. The major issue for me is that my car doesn't perform well at 20mph and I'm often in 2nd or 3rd gear (out of 8) whereas I would normally be in at least 4th gear. I have a strong feeling that the next thing we hear is that pollution levels are up and there'll be more restrictions imposed such as a ULEZ type scheme. Again, that may not be an issue for me as my car is ULEZ compliant at present but none of my friends have ULEZ compliant vehicles nor do they have speed limiters. One is seriously considering giving up driving altogether and, perhaps, that's the government's intention. Will the new limit be abandoned? No it won't. The majority of Assembly Members in the Senedd voted in favour and they're not going to admit they got it wrong. The best we can hope for is allowing local councils to have greater control over "exceptions". I've spoken to a number of people who say they're ignoring the new limits and I've experience many occasions when cars travelling towards me are going at 30mph at least, and I've been overtaken. I've spoken to 3 people who weren't even aware that there were new limits. They've been driving as they had been previously.
Teach kids to get their heads out of their phones. Look right and left. Don't just jump out into the road, wait for a gap! Any that get flattened are IN THE ROAD! Nobody is chasing pedestrians on the pavement.
l believe that the increase in traffic FUMES will increase / wait until he wants voting back in see if he changes his mind / every driver in wales wants get out one day and drive around at 20 the jams would be horrendous
@@tomhollandroberts1737 a South Wales tosser , a tosser definitely yes I’m from south wales well Brecon Beacons look I never voted for the welsh assembly I voted against it , grow up , we are all in this together United we stand divided we fall
Stopping distance at 20MPH versus 30MPH may be irrelevant if at 20MPH you're staring out of the side window watching cows in a field. On a straight road with light traffic, 20MPH may be too slow to keep your mind focussed on the road ahead, and instead you may find yourself admiring the scenery around you. Without adequate stimulation the human mind can wander from the job at hand.
They'll be reintroducing The Highways and Locomotives Act 1878, a law that required self-propelled vehicles to be led by a pedestrian waving a red flag or carrying a lantern to warn bystanders of the vehicle's approach.
Please people of Wales sign the petition! This is totally crazy and will make no difference to accidents! Vote out the politicians that support this insanity. I 100% support 20mph close to schools.
You did a fair test there. And I was quite surprised at just how large the difference was too. But you also have to remember that the thinking time will make the difference even greater. In fact, the overall stopping differences, between 20 and 30, are actually more than the entire width of a zebra crossing. It doesn’t sound like much if you’re driving, but it’s a hell of a difference if you’re walking across the road on the zebra crossing.
I was surprised too, it got me thinking anyway ! I would rather be hit by a car at 20 than 30. But if I walk out into a road without looking , then I deserve to be hit . It’s Not the drivers fault !
@@DrivewayHustlers I agree that there are plenty of inattentive pedestrians about, but if a child suddenly runs out into the road, or a pensioner stumbles and falls into the road, or someone on a push bike suddenly falls off their bike? And there are plenty of old people now with dementia, and drunk people too. In fact, all sorts of potential for pedestrians to suddenly be in the road, as a car is driving along. And I think this is getting worse. Plus the new Highway Code gives priority to pedestrians at corners now, which is causing a lot of confusion for drivers who don’t know what the new rules are. In fact, all sorts of trouble ahead. These situations are always possible, and will take drivers by surprise if they happen. So, despite the frustration of having to stick to 20, it’s probably a good thing from a safety point of view. I’m reading that the average speed on urban A roads in Wales, before this new speed restriction, was between 22 and 24mph, depending on the time of day, and I assume side roads will have an even lower average speed. So hopefully the new 20 limit won’t make too much of a difference. I think it’s too early to tell, and we’ll just have to wait and see.
So, if you now do 2/3 of the 30 mph, that means it takes 1/3 longer to travel to where you were going and thus 1/3 longer the engine is polluting. Autos need to have the brakes constantly on and pushing more particulates into the air.
Is it safer or are angry/ frustrated drivers more likely to try and make up time in non 20mph areas, travelling faster, and chancing dodgy overtakes. If so, it could cost the NHS more not less.
To the Welsh Politbureau it is not about whether it works or not, it is about CONTROLLING OUR LIVES. The 20 mph limit is just on of a whole series of idiocies because as with all far left regimes they like to exercise their power and in Wales we have had dual carriageways converted back to single lanes with the other halves given to cyclists, pavements widened on already narrow bridges so that traffic light control is needed and a while back posters appeared in bus shelters informing children that their parents broke the law if they smacked them.
I was driving in a 20mph zone the other day and it was impossible to stick to 20mph . I can roll faster than 20mph and I had to constantly keep putting my foot on the brakes pedal to slow down.
More wear and tear on your break discs, break pads etc. They know exactly what they are doing. They just want more tax payers money and this guarantees they will get it off you through either spending more often on replacing parts or from fines when speeding.
So, what we have learned is that they should ban Range Rovers. Also, travelling slower gives pedestrians and other road users more time to react to other vehicles.
Can't agree with the general blanket change but around schools and hospitals etc I can see the point. Having done a couple of speed awareness courses a while ago, the simple fact is that never mind stopping distances, if you hit someone at 30mph they are much more likely to end up with life threatening injuries. The survival rates and reduced injuries at 20mph are significant
Good breakdown. Its going to make it more expensive on the car owners brakes etc. AND that thats a fair question about how meany accidents we're in the 30 mph. I live by a school and the parents are the worst for speeding up and down this road.
Of course ! That’s been my thought all along , but they haven’t said on what roads . So I take it it’s from all roads . Yeah because they’re in a rush to get to work no doubt !
@@DrivewayHustlers yes a lot of the parents turn up late as well. I will sigh that but it doesn't seem like he will charge his mind if they have spent aload of money already.
Swansea was jammed up today. An Ambulance pulled out into 2 lanes of a mile long queue. If it was an Emergency it would have been impossible for it to get through. HOW IS THAT SAVING LIVES?!
So according to your tests, it’s taking around 50% further to stop from 30 than 20. That is significant. But does that make 20mph a sensible limit for the risks round. If we have, say, pedestrians stepping out less than 18’ in front of a Range Rover travelling at 30, it’s difficult to imagine how that can be anything other than pedestrian error. Perhaps we could spend a whole lot less money and cause a whole lot less inconvenience and disruption by educating pedestrians and maybe not messing up established practices by changing the HWC priorities!
That’s it , I think education on walking on roads would be more beneficial. The amount of people I see walking down a road with a pram , and go to cross the road and put the pram out first ! At any speed it could be catastrophic
have had discussions about automatic cars and speed. we have something called pedestrian street / vehicle street where you are not allowed to drive faster than people are walking. some claim their cars can't go that slow. many cars start in 2nd gear and they think it's 1st gear. but it is possible to put in 1 gear manually and then the car crawls forward. we have a speed in our city of 40 km/h, which means that many cars are in a lower gear with higher rpm, which increases fuel consumption. and you can't even shift up to a higher gear manually, I have to go up to 45 km/h to get into a higher gear with lower rpm and less consumption. it can't be environmentally friendly to lie in a lower gear with a higher rpm.
@@DrivewayHustlers here in Sweden we have streets for both vehicles and pedestrians and pedestrians have the right of way. think the maximum speed is 7 km/h, they are not particularly long, a few hundred meters. there are 4 pubs, 2 pizzerias, 3 Asian restaurants. 1 steak house, 1 phone repair shop, 1 tanning bed, 2 hairdressers, 1 fishing tackle shop, 1 Middle Eastern food shop, on a stretch of 250 meters so there are a lot of people walking there, like a walking path. but it is also one of the streets up to the center, therefore cars are allowed, I myself live above one of the pizzerias.
cars are designed to run at 30 mph and have been for years, with anti-lock brakes and all round disc brakes there's next to no difference stopping from 30 or 20 they're just dictating laws to us to enjoy a power trip. Hope Lee Waters and Drippy Drakeford get voted out after the next election.
Here the 30km/h limit (18,75mp/h) speed limit was introduced because it reduces the injuries if you hit someone not so much because of reaction time. Also 40km/h limit is now the default in cities because it is regarded the highest speed you survive getting hit by when on foot. Also some claim it is to save fuel the 20mp/h limit, but that is just stupid as cars use a lot more fuel in that low speed. Best speed for fuel economy is 70 - 90km/h (44 to 56mp/h) for most cars.
That extra 4ft or so will be at very slow speed and if you had a modern car with emergency brake assist you would stop considerably shorter than that. Also for the last four years cars have been increasingly fitted with autonomous emergency braking which will brake the car far sooner than the reaction time of a driver. This is being fitted as standard to all cars from about now so the general car population will be increasingly fitted to this safety stuff as time goes by.
Great video as always. I recently entered a 20mph zone going to Cardiff. What a shock that was after being a driver for about 50 years 🤬 I had to constantly keep looking at the speedo instead of the road. 😡
Cant compare this to driving in normal conditions. You know at which point you are going to brake, therfore it is impossible to factor in reaction time, that would obviously increase stopping distance.
Road safety, I'm 56 was taught the green cross code ,our teachers took us out and taught us to cross roads . Take mobile phones out of kids hands would save lives alone ..
The insane thing is they (those making policy) are using the highway code stopping distances in their logic, which, ignoring the "thinking distance" component which wasn't measured in your test, has a vehicle at 30mph stopping in 46 feet and a vehicle at 20mph stopping in 20 feet. Based on that even I'd say that is a big improvement. HOWEVER, as you test proves this isn't reality. Those stopping distances where calculated in the 60s using an average car at the time, a Ford Anglia with drum brakes all around. There isn't a car on the road with braking that bad any more. Everyone knows the highway code stopping distances are a joke and no one takes them seriously. We learn them to pass our test and then ignore them. It is about time they brought these figures inline with the 21st century. Cars today are infinity safer than back then. with bumpers and bonnets made safer for pedestrian collisions, crumple zones, ABS, Disk brakes, airbags, better street lighting and road design and markings. So we are not even close to the same level of risk we took as acceptable in the 60s, and now they want to reduce it even further. How about making everyone walk around in a bubble wrap suit too? Seriously though, the only way you are going to make our roads noticeably safer is to deal with those drivers who are either being inattentive, or pushing their luck because they are impatient, and the only way to do this is to put some actual traffic cops back on the roads again, and ditch this 29mph = angel, 31mph = spawn of Satan attitude to road safety.
I signed the petition, but never got the required Email needed to confirm it. I think Labour has legislated themselves out of office in Wales for the first time since Devolution.
Another kick in the teeth for the motorist. Fascinating isn’t it where you have just stop oil who cause misery and mayhem on uk roads and you have a police force who are petrified to arrest them. But it’s okay as the police can now turn their attention to the motorists who speed more than 20 miles per hour. There’s just no sense to any of it.
To save lives, learn the green cross code. Simple. There were always TV ads in the 60s and 70s showing road safety issues. I don't care what anyone says, a blanket 20mph is absolutely ridiculous.
Maybe, they should be looking into all the people who drive at 40mph on 60mph roads and suddenly slow down for no reason whatsoever. North Wales is over run with them.
The main issue is not the distance saved, it is the number of lives statistically. It is always a balancing act, because at 10mph another percentage point would have to be considered and at 5mph, etc etc. Presumably the Welsh government has produced these figures to make a logical choice and not just an emotional one.
Is it the driver fault at whatever speed, if someone suddenly walks out into the road while wearing earphones or playing with their phone, and should those pedestrians be charged with causing an accident if that was proven by dashcam.
Totally agree , you can’t stop someone walking in front of you at whatever speed . If it happens so suddenly and you don’t react quick enough , your causing injury regardless of speed 👍
My car will comfortable sit at 30 in 4th but to be comfortable at 20 I'm down to second so for the same engine rpm I'm forced top be in the area for 50% longer. Thereby it increases polution which is far more of a problem. Educate the pedestrians and cyclist rather than penalising the motorist.
I got caught doing 35 in a 30 in Wales about 6 years ago, court offered me £120 fine + points or do an £80 course + no points. I took the course and as part of it I had to admit in front of everyone that "I stole 5mph". I agree I shouldn't have gone too fast, but stealing? Is there a fence out there who'd give me 2mph for my stolen 5mph and then sell it on for 10mph?
I've been at 3 courses and no point was I ever asked to admit what speed I was going nor is there any compulsion for you to do so ............ I call bullshit!!
When I attended a speed awareness course , they asked us what speed we were caught at ? Also they were collecting data on how we were caught , a police stop .. average speed camera, arrive alive van etc
I'd rather step out in front of a driver who is fully focused on the road at 30mph than one at 20 mph, not concentrating. Most drivers at lowered speeds switch off as there's less perception of danger. The reason your speed vs distance changes is so much is because the de-acceleration is not linear. More "braking" takes place in the final part of the slower speed before stopping.
Its not done for public safety is done to make driving a persuasive experience that leads to public transport. They want you to give up your cars, no private car ownership.
The problem is that drivers do 40 in a 30 . 80 in a 70 60 in a 50. ( All my observations over 40+ years ) it's just what people do, and no law will change that fact. ( if your reading this comment and you don't believe me, try driving at 30 on a good stretch of a 30mph road , and watch how soon you pick up a queue behind you 😂😂😂)
I agree, it’s an agenda for more money and control, nothing to do with safety at all. What you didn’t mention though is that at 20mph everyone is watching their speedo, not the road. Your testing, as good as it was, was carried out knowing you were going to carry out an emergency stop. An emergency stop at any speed is dependent on “ thinking distances “ as well. Thinking distance is from the time the driver perceives or sees the hazard to the time the brakes are applied. If the driver’s eyes are on the speedo, not the road, the extra six feet stopping distance is lost (and even extended I’d argue) in fact, I’d say trying to drive at 20mph is as dangerous as driving while on the phone, it’s that distracting. You are bang on, suggest you do a follow up video on this. 👍
People lose interest in their surroundings at low speeds, start get distracted, use their phone more during driving. Its less save in the end and more pollution from engines that are not made for driving 20 mhp.
Actually only around 360 pedestrian deaths occurred across Great Britain in 2022 and as you say a high proportion of those will have nothing to do with speed.
You need to remember this is a planned stop test and you will not stop as quick when you consider thinking distance. I think anyone driving a hybrid will also save alot of cash as hybrids love 20mph i see 85mpg+ week after week. 20mph is not the end of the world and not as bad as being charged £12.50 everytime you visit london.
Well I have to disagree with saying it’s not the end of the world , where I am I used to have 30mph roads without a house in sight nor a pedestrian .. just fields either side . It’s now a 20 ! I’m all for a reduced speed limit in highly pedestrianised areas , ie schools , hospitals , high streets
You need to remember that your compliance mean more restrictions on the way like pay per mile - weekly distance limits - climate lockdowns. When will you protest !!
Kids don't play on roads any more. Bus services are taking longer. People are thinking cars as slower and miss judging .I think it will result in more accidents. The Welsh government are running out of money, there will be an increase in speed camaras. its to make money
Got a 20 mph limit up Haddenham Hill (near Ely) Makes the wagons cough and splutter trying to go up it - most lorries have automatic transmission these days with cruise control - they don't like it, buh!
A leaflet through Welsh house letterboxes claimed 63% of residents were in favour of the 20mph limit, no one I know has been asked. It is just another control measure.
@@DrivewayHustlers They supposedly asked 1000 people, out of 3,1 Million who live in Wales, and then "made up" the 63% Estimate from that, I have one of those leaflets and it is full of LIES, to try and con people, the best one was it will only add 1 minute to your journey time, well I suppose if you only drive a few hundred yards that is true! lol, that leaflet and the lies on the Welsh Gov Website, about the 20 MPH, might fool 5 year olds as they all make a good fairy story, but no one with the slightest bit of common sense would fall for it. they even "Estimate" not hard real Facts you notice, that it might save 6-10 lives a year, £33 million pounds spent on roads signs, I can think of ways that amount "would" save a lot more lives, the Welsh Government are a joke, and we the people of Wales have had enough of them!.
It's the bloody Nanny state gone mad. Next thing they'll demand drivers strap a mattress to your bumper to cut down on injuries. Oh and another thing I will never visit Wales on holiday, have you ever seen Welsh road signs, it's like someone chucked a bag of Scrabble letters at them.
the stopping distances in the highway code are wrong, they were done on cars with crossply tyres and the cars didn't have hydraulic brakes but it was never changed, we are lied to so they can justify the fines
Children arriving late for school.Buses rescheduling.People missing appointments. This is a disaster .Welsh people are suffering again because of Drakeford.
Let’s hope he sees sense for once 🤞
Drakeford is a South Wales toss-pot (or piss-pot) !!!@@DrivewayHustlers
you complaineth too much
Set off earlier! No one is "suffering"! Some people will speed whatever the limt.
Buses are scheduled that's the problem
Kids come out of Schools staring at their mobiles with ear buds in each ear maybe teaching them some road sense would help more than punishing drivers because kids are addicted to their phones glued to their heads and so are their parents.
Yes I’ve seen it myself , accident waiting to happen . And the motorist gets blamed !
Where is the cycle proficiancy test, where is the green cross code man adverts. where are all the safety videos gone that we use to have in school. I recently read a post by someone that their car manual use to show you how to adjust the tappets on the camshaft. Now the manual just says contains battery acid. DO NOT DRINK. This is the society we now live in.
Couldn't agree more.
@@MichaelEdwards2 cycle proficiency is taught in schools, the people who voted Tory in 2010 voted in Cameron who closed the public information office. car manuals used to show how to adjust tappets, but most modern cars are OHC or electronic. We live in a society that appears not to care about the number of pedestrians killed on the roads, some drivers care more about saving a few seconds between stops at red traffic lights.
So drivers therefore should slow down ? he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
Measures such as this are not about safety, they're about control. Independent mobility means less dependence on the state. They want to reduce the number of people who are independently mobile, which they accomplish by making driving worse. Same as bike lanes and all the other various nonsense they implement. Accept that it's all about control and it all makes sense.
Absolutely, this has the smell of the totalitarian tiptoe about it.....
saving children's lives is totalitarian, just slow down, drive more nicely, reduce the risk of a heart attack.
he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
This is why they’ve tried to ban electric scooters. Because it isn’t lucrative to them!
over a 2.5km journey, who drives for just over a mile, utter garbage@@robsurname4054
In 1903 the national speed limit was raised to 20mph. In 1930 it was abolished as virtually no one was obeying it and as such it was encouraging disrespect for the law and potential law breaking in other areas. This occurred at a time when compared to today car overall top speeds were a lot lower, safety systems were few and braking systems were poor. So if it failed then, it will certainly fail now. Already most users do not obey to new speed limits and those that get caught will feel aggrieved and it will likely promote further unlawful behaviour due to a perceived unjust law.
I think your right , it sure will !
Vote with your feet like I did, and emigrate.
it will only fail due to selfish, self-entitled and anarchist drivers who believe they have the right to ignore the law if stops them driving with no respect for anyone else.
In the 30's there many more deaths with much less traffic
Some decades ago, one county in the USA put a 30 mph speed limit on part of an interstate that passed through, purely for revenue collection.
The state told them to remove it, or they would build a bypass and leave the county isolated.
Speed limits are not the answer to any problem, they can and will be ignored.
Education to promote responsible driving is.
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@@tony_w839 In the decades following that, they improved road safety and the safety and training of drivers and pedestrians and that greatly lowered deaths. They did not however reduce the speed limit down, which has been shown by multiple studies to have a minimal impact on road fatalities. I live in an area of Wales where virtually all the councillors are Labour. Yet I cannot find anyone who supports the 20 mph law and driving around most ignore it. Which means you think the majority of the Welsh people are self entitled. We are not. We believe in reasonable laws not ones that impose unreasonable restrictions for next to no benefits. A few lives might be saved on the roads but many thousands more will die because of lack of health care, because health care costs money and the damage to the economy will mean a lower provision of health care.
It's designed to get you out of your ice car and force you to buy a milk float.
The milk float doesn’t seem like a bad option at the moment 🤣
No, Punkawallah Khan wants you to drive his beloved 'Tuk-Tuks' or ride
Indian Holy Cows. !!!
Horses can do 20mph. Same vets bills can be more than mechanics.
Just consider this.
It's estimated that the change in speed limit will save 6 lives per year Wales-wide.
It's cost *officially* £30M to implement, but will cost far, far more in productivity, even ignoring the effect it'll have on tourism - let's say £1B per year.
What would happen if that money were spent on the NHS in Wales?
How many cancer patients could've been saved that will now die?
How much could social care improve?
Or the almost non-existent dental care?
The petition to rescind this law is now close to 400,000 signatures and counting - well over 10% of the entire population of Wales - that's a lot of electorate to get on the wrong side of if you value your chances at the next election - they may want to consider listening for once.
It really could have been spent a lot better , I was unfortunate to have to ring for an ambulance a few weeks ago for somebody . 90 minutes to 4 hours they said 🙄
23 years in power, old mining communities blindly voting for these idiots, they can do no wrong so labour don’t have to appease their voters, in other words, they can do what they want.
Drakeford is a control freak, put him together with Lee I hate cars Waters, it’s a deadly cocktail.
Pulling a figure of £1b out of the air does not make it real. Looking at the known costs of fatal and serious traffic accidents will however give you a real cost benefit.
I live in Wales. Last night I was driving at 20mph on what was a 30mph road. A wheelchair user crossed the road, I had to slam on my breaks and narrowly avoided hitting him. Thankfully he was okay. I can only think he misjudged the slower speeds and thought he had more time to cross. Some would argue the slower speed saved him from being hit. I think had the traffic have been moving at 30mph he wouldn't have attempted to cross in the first place.
The changes made to the Highway code last year state pedestrians have right of way once they start crossing unless on a motorway or dual carriageway so legally you should have stopped to allow them to cross. If there was an accident you would be to blame regardless of speed limit.
You are using crystal balls too much my friend. Well done for stopping but you simply can't read minds like you are doing. You saved his life by driving carefully and being alert at the wheel .... WELL DONE YOU !
How often were you checking your speedometer? Instead of the road to make sure you didn't exceed the 20mph.......
@@Gmh6477yes and some people are 100% in the right as they lay in hospital with broken bones and life changing injuries, 😂😂😂😂
@Jack_Warner that should be an hour's detention. Not such the smartarse you clearly think you are.
The prime minster of Wales is like 'You will drive at 20mph otherwise you will be fined for speeding'. It is either Drakeford's way or the 20mph highway.
They’ve got to police it to enforce it 👍
This is the same man who completely fxxxed Wales with the lockdowns and imposed the harshest penalties . He is a WEF green meany and justified it because of false premise..
@@DrivewayHustlers Exactly.
Best not to kill anyone BOYO. he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
it's certainly not, its has already resulted in bus companies cutting their routes and timetables that they are unable to meet due to extra journey time, carers are also being impacted substantially due to the speed limit directly affecting how many social calls they can complete during a shift, hauliers are also having deliveries impacted due to excessive travel times to drop offs , it will cost the welsh economy billions in this ill researched poorly implemented ego policy by drippy dictator drakeford
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There seems to be some significant confusion here in Wales over the Speed Limit change and so, I thought I would help by briefly explaining how the change works so that there can be no confusion:
Any roads that were previously 30 will now be 20 apart from the roads that aren't going to be 20, which will still remain as 30. When you see street lights you have to assume that the roads will be 20 even if the signs still say 30 because despite the signs saying 30, the roads could be 20, apart from, of course, the roads (as explained above) which will remain 30 despite them being 20. It's also important to remember that there will still be a number of roads which despite them having streetlights will not be 20, and in these cases they could be 30, 40, 50, 60 or even 70, however, always bear in mind that even if the signs on these roads still state 30 they could, of course, be 20 unless they are one of the roads that have been designated 30, in which case the 20 restriction will not apply.
I trust that clarifies. It's really not difficult.
I cant take credit for the above as its been passed from person to person and the source has now been lost. But I hope that explains it.
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Love your explanation Michael, it's so easy ! ! why can't people see it. Like you I have one thing only to say. Heeellp
@@1aberbeeg its bad. there is a road I travel everyday and there is a 20 sign straight from a national speed limit. But if you look at the overlay map it says this road is part of the exemption and is still 30. So why on earth put a 20mph sign on there. right outside the Council Offices in Ystrad mynach.
@@MichaelEdwards2The 20 sign is there to fool people into thinking its 20 officially , but it isn't,it's a deception . When I was bus driving, a passenger made his own bus stop sign and put it outside his place of work, to save a few yards walk. His face when we all ignored it was priceless, that would be my suggestion for the 20 sign.
Summed it up perfectly Michael Edwards 2
The Welsh police now allegedly have time to deliver milk and papers on their way to an emergency call !!!!!!
I’ll put my order in 🤣
Yes, now that drivers are behaving themselves the police can go solves some other crimes.. and the nhs can deal with more patients. he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
The only times I've seen someone get run over by a car is when the pedestrian just walked out right front of a car.
No stopping distance, great brakes or cat-like reactions is going to fix that.
It’s mainly the case 👍
Driving jobs like couriers will be unbearable
Half of them wernt brilliant before this !
We find ourselves debating nonesense because nonesense is what We are being given...
It's caused total chaos this week in my neck of the woods (the Llanelli area).
There was a serious accident on the A48 in Carmarthen yesterday involving a coach. I saw the aftermath - the front of the coach was destroyed by some kind of head-on impact.
We will never know if the ridiculous 20mph limit caused the accident because the morons who introduced it are also practised liars driven by what used to be known as loony left ideology.
Even if it was not the cause of the particular (very serious) coach accident, this blanket 20mph lunacy will cause many accidents. Guaranteed. People staring at their speedos instead of watching the road; people speeding on the motorway to make up time wasted driving through a tailback caused by the 20mph limit; people frustrated and overtaking in what used to be 40mph zones: these are the things I've already seen this week.
But any statistics will be lied about, flatly denied, or just buried.
We're living in really bad times.
There is more road rage than ever before 🙄
My experience driving in South Wales since policy introduced is that 1) the majority of drivers are ignoring limits, 2) incidents of dangerous driving have increased, 3) my fuel economy has decreased by an estimated 25%, 4) drivers are less considerate to other drivers, 5) traffic is worse than before the policy.
In conclusion, I have nothing good to say about this.
Every point you have made there , i have noticed the same in the north . Apart from my fuel consumption, I wouldn’t have a clue , it just goes in 👍
12 English councils conducted or commissioned tests on the difference between 20-30mph and 12 results came back that there was no measurable difference.
That just proves a point then 👍
I just Googled "fatal accident children wales"... Top couple of results were about the 2 teenagers killed back in may, riding an electric motorcycle without helmets, licence etc. at high speed in the opposite direction from the police in Ely... How will reducing the speed limit to 20 prevent this type of incident ?
It won’t 👍
My car is sitting at 20mph @1500 rpm in 2nd gear.
Shifted into 3rd gear and car dropped to 800rpm and was stuttering.
Shorter stopping distances but burning twice as much fuel.
I don’t get out of first gear in the bentley 🤣
My caterham used to get really grumpy at 20mph and given it did 55 in 1st it was not ideal.
Better get an EV
Fairly flawed testing as reaction time distances would increase the gaps greater. I agree though that 20 should be kept for special locations as it’s likely to be more respected than ignored if everywhere.
20mph outside of a school , a hospital or an extremely built up area . Totally agree with 👍
In my area, I've noticed that since the new limits, some people are slowing down everywhere, sticking to twenty in the thirties and doing forty in the fifties. Very annoying.
@@gemlouise1260 I don't think there is any evidence to back that up. It's more likely that because of the new limits you are now noticing the MANY drivers who just aren't consitent and don't even know what the speed limit is where they are driving.
Which has been going on since I have been driving back in 1987.
@@natsterjam I mean there is the evidence of my experience within the last few days on roads I drive every day, which is enough for me to go on to confirm that is indeed, real. It may not be true in general, which is why I specifically said 'my area'.
@@gemlouise1260 I get ya but I don't think you get me. Never mind 🤷♂
Drakeford will be retiring soon. Everyone needs to sign the petition, to send a clear message to his would be successor that the Labour Party in Wales have had it their own way for far too long, and this doesn't mean a vote for the other main establishment parties such as the Tories and Liberals.
Vote Reform UK, both locally and nationally.
Couldn’t agree more , a change is needed 👍
It's all part of the anti car agenda. Owning and driving a car is almost being considered elitist, and we should instead use the overcrowded public transport network, walk , or ride a bike! Here in London we have a similar lunatic to Drakesford in the shape of Sadiq Khan as mayor. The absolute absurdity of his rules means the poorest who have an older car are being forced out of them, with at the barest minimum a £12.50 daily charge - and that's as soon as you drive anywhere, to £27.50 per day if you drive into central London!
Of course to the wealthy inhabitants of the capital, that you see in the so called summer super car season in their Lamborghinis, Ferrari etc etc are more than happy with these charges as it just keeps Sloane Square and Knightsbridge etc clear of the everyday person, so making central London their private racetrack.
The irony of this daft situation is most certainly not lost on me. I am in the very lucky position to own two cars, one of which I changed last year to an EV. It could be argued that as I spent £85k on a new car which at over 5 metres long is certainly taking up its fair share of road space, and perhaps given the circumstances I should be in a better position to afford to contribute to London’s transport infrastructure. Instead I pay absolutely zero, and benefit from vastly reduced on street parking costs! Now like anyone I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and offer to volunteer to contribute, but I do feel there is something very odd about the current situation!
By the way, London and some of the surrounding boroughs have also adopted the insane 20mph limit, interestingly its the Labour Council areas that are the most vociferous in enforcing this 'daft as a brush' limit, and without meaning to get too Political, I dread to think what will happen when Starmer, and his trotsky friend Raynor get in at the next Election!!
When I was looking into it all I think here in wales they want something like ulez introduced which would be hurrendous ! But I do feel for people who live in London , especially the outskirts who have now been dragged into a ulez zone !
Stick a middle finger up to Sadiq. I've got a 2004 4.4 V8 petrol Range Rover which gets 15-18mpg and is somehow ULEZ exempt! Yet my friends 2012 1.4 tdci Fiesta which gets 64mpg is not and would incur the charge. It's ridiculous, just glad i don't live in/near London
All cars since 2011 are extremely clean and we should not be made to pay more tax...we already get taxed on emissions.
I never, ever want to visit India ~ sorry, London ever again.@@sloppy.giuseppe3860
@@matthewhaddon599 Oh and the more Co2 your car produces the more tax you pay and the more your car feeds the trees.... strange one that eh? The more Co2 the greener the planet gets and it actually cools the planet more. Makes me wonder what the agenda really is when 0.04 of the worlds atmospherical make up is demonised and taxed...
I would argue whole heartedly that the highway code of the UK states that if a road sign says 30MPH then in court that is the limit. Anyone thinking like they're going to get collered and charged for going 20 MPH in a 30 signposted zone should remember this.
I would like to see what the outcome would be 🤔
Car’s will be designed to work in accordance with the regular use.
20mph has never been regular use, so no wonder they won’t work well and cause excessive wear.
Might aswell get an electric bike , but that’s the agenda 🙄
The extra distance travelled when stopping at 30mph you're going to be well under 20mph and ever slowing, it's unlikely you'd harm anyone in that extra distance especially in the focus
Make a good point , that why I tried it with a smaller car to see the difference !
I have an automatic and it doesn't like 20mph at all. Prior to the recent introduction of the lower limit I deliberately drove to a town where they've had the 20mp limit for some time. It's where I have regular hospital appointments. I found it impossible to drive at a steady 20mph, even up hill. I was checking my speedo quite often instead of looking out for pedestrians and other traffic. I knew I wasn't driving as safely as I would normally. My speed varied from around 17mph to 23mph. My Cruise Control won't work below 25 so that was no help but, luckily, my car has a speed limiter and If I set that to 20mph, going uphill or on the flat I know my car will keep to that maximum speed and, if I'm going down hill, will sound a loud alarm if I exceed that limit.
Exiting one roundabout on a 50mph road, the 20mph sign is behind a lamppost. If you're watching the traffic you won't see it. Another local road is 30mph one side and 20mph the other, the reason being that traffic leaving a roundabout onto that restricted road would cause tailbacks onto the roundabout suddenly changing from 50mph to 20mph whereas coming the other way the Council isn't bothered how long the tailback is. I think that's confusing. If the road can be driven safely at 30mph going in one direction I don't see how reducing the limit to 20mph the other side of the road makes life any safer for pedestrians.
Most of my journeys take are either 20 minutes or around 40 minutes but much of that isn't in a 20mph zone. Consequently, journey times haven't altered significantly. I've been keeping a record but roadworks, buses and slow lorries have a greater impact so it's made very little difference to me personally. The major issue for me is that my car doesn't perform well at 20mph and I'm often in 2nd or 3rd gear (out of 8) whereas I would normally be in at least 4th gear. I have a strong feeling that the next thing we hear is that pollution levels are up and there'll be more restrictions imposed such as a ULEZ type scheme. Again, that may not be an issue for me as my car is ULEZ compliant at present but none of my friends have ULEZ compliant vehicles nor do they have speed limiters. One is seriously considering giving up driving altogether and, perhaps, that's the government's intention.
Will the new limit be abandoned? No it won't. The majority of Assembly Members in the Senedd voted in favour and they're not going to admit they got it wrong. The best we can hope for is allowing local councils to have greater control over "exceptions".
I've spoken to a number of people who say they're ignoring the new limits and I've experience many occasions when cars travelling towards me are going at 30mph at least, and I've been overtaken. I've spoken to 3 people who weren't even aware that there were new limits. They've been driving as they had been previously.
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Plus, the driver will be looking at the speedometer more because they don't want to go over the 20mph.....
You do , it’s hard to keep at 20 mph if you haven’t got cruise control
He never told you what lives he wants to save . He meant saving bugs life’s on your windscreen!
Good point 👊🤣
Bug lives matter😂
Teach kids to get their heads out of their phones. Look right and left. Don't just jump out into the road, wait for a gap! Any that get flattened are IN THE ROAD! Nobody is chasing pedestrians on the pavement.
I agree , the amount of children with out any sort of road sense is worrying ! And like you said , most are glued to phones these days !
l believe that the increase in traffic FUMES will increase / wait until he wants voting back in see if he changes his mind / every driver in wales wants get out one day and drive around at 20 the jams would be horrendous
Yeah I think a lot of his labour friends are telling him , there worries about loosing the seats !
Why should we in North Wales be ruled by a South Wales 'Tosser' !!!
@@tomhollandroberts1737 a South Wales tosser , a tosser definitely yes I’m from south wales well Brecon Beacons look I never voted for the welsh assembly I voted against it , grow up , we are all in this together United we stand divided we fall
Their seats want booting out to oblivion and then vote in someone that isn’t a dictatorial moron 😂😂😂
Stopping distance at 20MPH versus 30MPH may be irrelevant if at 20MPH you're staring out of the side window watching cows in a field. On a straight road with light traffic, 20MPH may be too slow to keep your mind focussed on the road ahead, and instead you may find yourself admiring the scenery around you. Without adequate stimulation the human mind can wander from the job at hand.
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They'll be reintroducing The Highways and Locomotives Act 1878, a law that required self-propelled vehicles to be led by a pedestrian waving a red flag or carrying a lantern to warn bystanders of the vehicle's approach.
Yes 🤣
An update on this, car overtook a car doing just 20 or below mph this morning and nearly hit a car coming the other way, Road used to be 40 mph
20mph on ALL 30mph roads,
GIVING the POLICE more SPEEDING FINES to COLLECT,
JUST a MONEY grabbing System to me.
I wonder how much they’ve collected so far 🤔
Don’t forget people will take more of a chance and will run out earlier than then they would otherwise. Result no difference.
Please people of Wales sign the petition! This is totally crazy and will make no difference to accidents! Vote out the politicians that support this insanity.
I 100% support 20mph close to schools.
It’s still climbing 👊
You did a fair test there. And I was quite surprised at just how large the difference was too. But you also have to remember that the thinking time will make the difference even greater. In fact, the overall stopping differences, between 20 and 30, are actually more than the entire width of a zebra crossing.
It doesn’t sound like much if you’re driving, but it’s a hell of a difference if you’re walking across the road on the zebra crossing.
I was surprised too, it got me thinking anyway ! I would rather be hit by a car at 20 than 30. But if I walk out into a road without looking , then I deserve to be hit . It’s Not the drivers fault !
@@DrivewayHustlers I agree that there are plenty of inattentive pedestrians about, but if a child suddenly runs out into the road, or a pensioner stumbles and falls into the road, or someone on a push bike suddenly falls off their bike? And there are plenty of old people now with dementia, and drunk people too. In fact, all sorts of potential for pedestrians to suddenly be in the road, as a car is driving along. And I think this is getting worse. Plus the new Highway Code gives priority to pedestrians at corners now, which is causing a lot of confusion for drivers who don’t know what the new rules are. In fact, all sorts of trouble ahead.
These situations are always possible, and will take drivers by surprise if they happen. So, despite the frustration of having to stick to 20, it’s probably a good thing from a safety point of view.
I’m reading that the average speed on urban A roads in Wales, before this new speed restriction, was between 22 and 24mph, depending on the time of day, and I assume side roads will have an even lower average speed. So hopefully the new 20 limit won’t make too much of a difference.
I think it’s too early to tell, and we’ll just have to wait and see.
So, if you now do 2/3 of the 30 mph, that means it takes 1/3 longer to travel to where you were going and thus 1/3 longer the engine is polluting. Autos need to have the brakes constantly on and pushing more particulates into the air.
Very true 👍
Is it safer or are angry/ frustrated drivers more likely to try and make up time in non 20mph areas, travelling faster, and chancing dodgy overtakes. If so, it could cost the NHS more not less.
If the person in front of you is driving at 20, overtake them and drive at 30. If you get fined, don't pay a penny!
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To the Welsh Politbureau it is not about whether it works or not, it is about CONTROLLING OUR LIVES. The 20 mph limit is just on of a whole series of idiocies because as with all far left regimes they like to exercise their power and in Wales we have had dual carriageways converted back to single lanes with the other halves given to cyclists, pavements widened on already narrow bridges so that traffic light control is needed and a while back posters appeared in bus shelters informing children that their parents broke the law if they smacked them.
Very true 👍
I live in the Midlands and used to holiday in Wales regularly. Never again. It'll take to long to get to where I wanna be. Cornwall here I come.
It’s such a shame , many of my friends who own businesses here are wondering what effect it will have on them
My family and I used to go to Llangollen every year from Devon..... never again though!
Power mad councilor who's been taking lessons from saqid khan
Best of mates I hear🤔
I was driving in a 20mph zone the other day and it was impossible to stick to 20mph . I can roll faster than 20mph and I had to constantly keep putting my foot on the brakes pedal to slow down.
The same problem , constantly looking at the speedo . And it doesn’t help that they have conveniently placed arrive alive vans in these 20mph zones
More wear and tear on your break discs, break pads etc. They know exactly what they are doing. They just want more tax payers money and this guarantees they will get it off you through either spending more often on replacing parts or from fines when speeding.
So, what we have learned is that they should ban Range Rovers. Also, travelling slower gives pedestrians and other road users more time to react to other vehicles.
Don’t give him any ideas 🤣
Moving responsibility from those that need to show more responsibility.
Can't agree with the general blanket change but around schools and hospitals etc I can see the point. Having done a couple of speed awareness courses a while ago, the simple fact is that never mind stopping distances, if you hit someone at 30mph they are much more likely to end up with life threatening injuries. The survival rates and reduced injuries at 20mph are significant
I totally agree with you , but not on every 30mph road . Just a bit of common sense would be nice from the welsh government
The point with stopping distance is that you don’t hit them in the first place! And from 30 to 20 it’s not much difference
@@DrivewayHustlers common sense and government is an oxymoron
ITS NOT JUST THE DISTANCE THAT COUNTS ITS THE TIME YOU REACT AND APPLY THE BRAKE
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Good breakdown. Its going to make it more expensive on the car owners brakes etc. AND that thats a fair question about how meany accidents we're in the 30 mph. I live by a school and the parents are the worst for speeding up and down this road.
Of course ! That’s been my thought all along , but they haven’t said on what roads . So I take it it’s from all roads . Yeah because they’re in a rush to get to work no doubt !
@@DrivewayHustlers yes a lot of the parents turn up late as well. I will sigh that but it doesn't seem like he will charge his mind if they have spent aload of money already.
Then after someone gets hit at 20mph they'll demand 10mph?
Could be right ? 🤔
Yes. The pandering politicians are just waiting for that case to take up the cause.
It's a slippery slope of control indeed !
Swansea was jammed up today. An Ambulance pulled out into 2 lanes of a mile long queue. If it was an Emergency it would have been impossible for it to get through.
HOW IS THAT SAVING LIVES?!
I bet it’s carnage 👊
So according to your tests, it’s taking around 50% further to stop from 30 than 20. That is significant. But does that make 20mph a sensible limit for the risks round. If we have, say, pedestrians stepping out less than 18’ in front of a Range Rover travelling at 30, it’s difficult to imagine how that can be anything other than pedestrian error. Perhaps we could spend a whole lot less money and cause a whole lot less inconvenience and disruption by educating pedestrians and maybe not messing up established practices by changing the HWC priorities!
That’s it , I think education on walking on roads would be more beneficial. The amount of people I see walking down a road with a pram , and go to cross the road and put the pram out first ! At any speed it could be catastrophic
What would reduce risks is prosecuting cyclists.
have had discussions about automatic cars and speed. we have something called pedestrian street / vehicle street where you are not allowed to drive faster than people are walking. some claim their cars can't go that slow. many cars start in 2nd gear and they think it's 1st gear. but it is possible to put in 1 gear manually and then the car crawls forward. we have a speed in our city of 40 km/h, which means that many cars are in a lower gear with higher rpm, which increases fuel consumption. and you can't even shift up to a higher gear manually, I have to go up to 45 km/h to get into a higher gear with lower rpm and less consumption. it can't be environmentally friendly to lie in a lower gear with a higher rpm.
I’ve never heard of pedestrian street , where has that been implemented?
@@DrivewayHustlers here in Sweden we have streets for both vehicles and pedestrians and pedestrians have the right of way. think the maximum speed is 7 km/h, they are not particularly long, a few hundred meters. there are 4 pubs, 2 pizzerias, 3 Asian restaurants. 1 steak house, 1 phone repair shop, 1 tanning bed, 2 hairdressers, 1 fishing tackle shop, 1 Middle Eastern food shop, on a stretch of 250 meters so there are a lot of people walking there, like a walking path. but it is also one of the streets up to the center, therefore cars are allowed, I myself live above one of the pizzerias.
Great video as always mate keep it up. My thoughts 💭 are, the world is going crazy when are we all going to stop putting up with the BS?
Nice one mate , who knows ehh .. but there’s only so much we can take
384k signed as i post here.That braking distance all changes in the wet though,but any sensible driver lowers their speed in the wet or ice.
It’s climbing 👍
cars are designed to run at 30 mph and have been for years, with anti-lock brakes and all round disc brakes there's next to no difference stopping from 30 or 20 they're just dictating laws to us to enjoy a power trip. Hope Lee Waters and Drippy Drakeford get voted out after the next election.
Very good points. Also working vehicles towing or heavy loads cant creep up hills at 20 you would burn out
Yes I’ve noticed this myself , when I’ve got a full trailer it’s extremely difficult
If was in wales I would make damn sure I drove at less than 10mph everywhere without fail especially holding up plod etc
Please don’t , it’s slow enough 🙈🤣
Here the 30km/h limit (18,75mp/h) speed limit was introduced because it reduces the injuries if you hit someone not so much because of reaction time. Also 40km/h limit is now the default in cities because it is regarded the highest speed you survive getting hit by when on foot. Also some claim it is to save fuel the 20mp/h limit, but that is just stupid as cars use a lot more fuel in that low speed. Best speed for fuel economy is 70 - 90km/h (44 to 56mp/h) for most cars.
Where is this ? 👊
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That extra 4ft or so will be at very slow speed and if you had a modern car with emergency brake assist you would stop considerably shorter than that. Also for the last four years cars have been increasingly fitted with autonomous emergency braking which will brake the car far sooner than the reaction time of a driver. This is being fitted as standard to all cars from about now so the general car population will be increasingly fitted to this safety stuff as time goes by.
Valid point , as you say most modern cars brake before you do now !
20mph around schools, any were else 30mph it's ridiculously slow, totally agree with you.
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My van hates it. I hate it. My back hates it. I had 3 road rage overtakes of me yesterday with one nearly taking my back quarter off.
I’ve seen so many cars overtaking👍
I tend to keep looking at at my speedometer thus taking my eyes off the road ahead. I wonder if anyone has thought of this?
Your more conscious of your speed that’s for sure !
Mark Drakeford is a member of the World Economic Forum & is carrying out their plan.
Spray the Road Signs.
I didn’t know that , but then that would not surprise me 🙄
Great video as always.
I recently entered a 20mph zone going to Cardiff. What a shock that was after being a driver for about 50 years 🤬
I had to constantly keep looking at the speedo instead of the road. 😡
Cheers 👍 It’s ridiculous !
So it looks like it IS safer to drive at 20 mph than 30MPH.
Not as safe as not driving at all.
It's safer to stay at home, under your duvet, never answer the door, or interact with other humans....... doesn't mean its a good thing does it....
Cant compare this to driving in normal conditions. You know at which point you are going to brake, therfore it is impossible to factor in reaction time, that would obviously increase stopping distance.
Road safety, I'm 56 was taught the green cross code ,our teachers took us out and taught us to cross roads . Take mobile phones out of kids hands would save lives alone ..
Yes I was taught that when I was young too . But I agree , that’s half the problem 👍
The insane thing is they (those making policy) are using the highway code stopping distances in their logic, which, ignoring the "thinking distance" component which wasn't measured in your test, has a vehicle at 30mph stopping in 46 feet and a vehicle at 20mph stopping in 20 feet. Based on that even I'd say that is a big improvement. HOWEVER, as you test proves this isn't reality. Those stopping distances where calculated in the 60s using an average car at the time, a Ford Anglia with drum brakes all around. There isn't a car on the road with braking that bad any more. Everyone knows the highway code stopping distances are a joke and no one takes them seriously. We learn them to pass our test and then ignore them. It is about time they brought these figures inline with the 21st century. Cars today are infinity safer than back then. with bumpers and bonnets made safer for pedestrian collisions, crumple zones, ABS, Disk brakes, airbags, better street lighting and road design and markings. So we are not even close to the same level of risk we took as acceptable in the 60s, and now they want to reduce it even further. How about making everyone walk around in a bubble wrap suit too? Seriously though, the only way you are going to make our roads noticeably safer is to deal with those drivers who are either being inattentive, or pushing their luck because they are impatient, and the only way to do this is to put some actual traffic cops back on the roads again, and ditch this 29mph = angel, 31mph = spawn of Satan attitude to road safety.
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I signed the petition, but never got the required Email needed to confirm it. I think Labour has legislated themselves out of office in Wales for the first time since Devolution.
You should have had the email with a link to click to confirm it . Check junk folder , if not try it again 👍
Another kick in the teeth for the motorist.
Fascinating isn’t it where you have just stop oil who cause misery and mayhem on uk roads and you have a police force who are petrified to arrest them.
But it’s okay as the police can now turn their attention to the motorists who speed more than 20 miles per hour.
There’s just no sense to any of it.
To save lives, learn the green cross code. Simple. There were always TV ads in the 60s and 70s showing road safety issues.
I don't care what anyone says, a blanket 20mph is absolutely ridiculous.
Totally agree 👍
Who wants to visit Wales now this will kill tourism. Another case of the government not listening to the people who voted them in.
I’ve heard a lot saying they won’t , it will be a shame
Maybe, they should be looking into all the people who drive at 40mph on 60mph roads and suddenly slow down for no reason whatsoever.
North Wales is over run with them.
The main issue is not the distance saved, it is the number of lives statistically. It is always a balancing act, because at 10mph another percentage point would have to be considered and at 5mph, etc etc. Presumably the Welsh government has produced these figures to make a logical choice and not just an emotional one.
Why don't you submit a FOI request for the science behind this.... It worked with Khan.
Is it the driver fault at whatever speed, if someone suddenly walks out into the road while wearing earphones or playing with their phone, and should those pedestrians be charged with causing an accident if that was proven by dashcam.
Totally agree , you can’t stop someone walking in front of you at whatever speed . If it happens so suddenly and you don’t react quick enough , your causing injury regardless of speed 👍
My car will comfortable sit at 30 in 4th but to be comfortable at 20 I'm down to second so for the same engine rpm I'm forced top be in the area for 50% longer. Thereby it increases polution which is far more of a problem. Educate the pedestrians and cyclist rather than penalising the motorist.
I got caught doing 35 in a 30 in Wales about 6 years ago, court offered me £120 fine + points or do an £80 course + no points. I took the course and as part of it I had to admit in front of everyone that "I stole 5mph". I agree I shouldn't have gone too fast, but stealing? Is there a fence out there who'd give me 2mph for my stolen 5mph and then sell it on for 10mph?
I know someone who’s just been had at 33 in a 30 🙄
@@DrivewayHustlers flaming norah what happened to 10%?
I've been at 3 courses and no point was I ever asked to admit what speed I was going nor is there any compulsion for you to do so ............ I call bullshit!!
When I attended a speed awareness course , they asked us what speed we were caught at ? Also they were collecting data on how we were caught , a police stop .. average speed camera, arrive alive van etc
I know , he wasn’t impressed . But neither would I be !
Ridiculous, Britain still has on average the safest roads in the world. This seems like mass madness.
We sure do 👍
When I drive slow 20 of less I pay less attention to the road so more likely to have an accident compared to 30-40
I have to agree , you more aware at faster speeds
Are these ridulous braking distances needed for all the peds that are playing in the road?
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I'd rather step out in front of a driver who is fully focused on the road at 30mph than one at 20 mph, not concentrating. Most drivers at lowered speeds switch off as there's less perception of danger.
The reason your speed vs distance changes is so much is because the de-acceleration is not linear. More "braking" takes place in the final part of the slower speed before stopping.
I have to agree with you there 👍
so they are doing this to stop pollution,and above your head@4:08 the sky is full of chemtrails
Exactly , quite bad around here underneath the flight paths for Liverpool and Manchester airport
Drakeford should have been voted out years ago. He's old and completely barmey. Now he's destroying Wales. He should be jailed for what he's doing.
He’s leaving next year apparently 🤔
Its not done for public safety is done to make driving a persuasive experience that leads to public transport. They want you to give up your cars, no private car ownership.
No chance of being reliant on public transport here 🤣
@@DrivewayHustlers I don't think they care!
Anyone worked out the affect of rows of cars crawling along in low gear and spewing CO2 would have on air quality?
Surly that should be looked at !
Same road have 30 mph one side 20mph the other ??????? The man is insane 😡
I’ve seen a lot of that too🙄
The problem is that drivers do 40 in a 30 . 80 in a 70 60 in a 50. ( All my observations over 40+ years ) it's just what people do, and no law will change that fact. ( if your reading this comment and you don't believe me, try driving at 30 on a good stretch of a 30mph road , and watch how soon you pick up a queue behind you 😂😂😂)
I see that myself , if people want to drive faster .. they will !
I agree, it’s an agenda for more money and control, nothing to do with safety at all. What you didn’t mention though is that at 20mph everyone is watching their speedo, not the road. Your testing, as good as it was, was carried out knowing you were going to carry out an emergency stop. An emergency stop at any speed is dependent on “ thinking distances “ as well. Thinking distance is from the time the driver perceives or sees the hazard to the time the brakes are applied. If the driver’s eyes are on the speedo, not the road, the extra six feet stopping distance is lost (and even extended I’d argue) in fact, I’d say trying to drive at 20mph is as dangerous as driving while on the phone, it’s that distracting. You are bang on, suggest you do a follow up video on this. 👍
People lose interest in their surroundings at low speeds, start get distracted, use their phone more during driving. Its less save in the end and more pollution from engines that are not made for driving 20 mhp.
You really do 👍
Actually only around 360 pedestrian deaths occurred across Great Britain in 2022 and as you say a high proportion of those will have nothing to do with speed.
I bet majority weren’t on 30mph roads either !
It would be interesting to measure the test with an Electric vehicle which is much heavier
That would be 👍
Electric vehicle are not heavier than a range rover and there centre of gravity is lower so they stop better than ice cars...
You need to remember this is a planned stop test and you will not stop as quick when you consider thinking distance. I think anyone driving a hybrid will also save alot of cash as hybrids love 20mph i see 85mpg+ week after week. 20mph is not the end of the world and not as bad as being charged £12.50 everytime you visit london.
Well I have to disagree with saying it’s not the end of the world , where I am I used to have 30mph roads without a house in sight nor a pedestrian .. just fields either side . It’s now a 20 ! I’m all for a reduced speed limit in highly pedestrianised areas , ie schools , hospitals , high streets
You need to remember that your compliance mean more restrictions on the way like pay per mile - weekly distance limits - climate lockdowns. When will you protest !!
Kids don't play on roads any more. Bus services are taking longer. People are thinking cars as slower and miss judging .I think it will result in more accidents. The Welsh government are running out of money, there will be an increase in speed camaras. its to make money
I think you could be right there , pedestrians might walk out into a road now thinking cars are driving a lot slower 🤔
Got a 20 mph limit up Haddenham Hill (near Ely) Makes the wagons cough and splutter trying to go up it - most lorries have automatic transmission these days with cruise control - they don't like it, buh!
I’ve seen it here , they struggle !
Just think they could have put that money into fixing the roads.
Would be nice wouldn’t it , the state of them !!
A leaflet through Welsh house letterboxes claimed 63% of residents were in favour of the 20mph limit, no one I know has been asked. It is just another control measure.
I don’t believe that’s true at all by the reaction of people 👍
@@DrivewayHustlers They supposedly asked 1000 people, out of 3,1 Million who live in Wales, and then "made up" the 63% Estimate from that, I have one of those leaflets and it is full of LIES, to try and con people, the best one was it will only add 1 minute to your journey time, well I suppose if you only drive a few hundred yards that is true! lol, that leaflet and the lies on the Welsh Gov Website, about the 20 MPH, might fool 5 year olds as they all make a good fairy story, but no one with the slightest bit of common sense would fall for it. they even "Estimate" not hard real Facts you notice, that it might save 6-10 lives a year, £33 million pounds spent on roads signs, I can think of ways that amount "would" save a lot more lives, the Welsh Government are a joke, and we the people of Wales have had enough of them!.
Has anyone checked the stopping distance against an electric car ?
I bet it won’t be far off actually
It's the bloody Nanny state gone mad. Next thing they'll demand drivers strap a mattress to your bumper to cut down on injuries. Oh and another thing I will never visit Wales on holiday, have you ever seen Welsh road signs, it's like someone chucked a bag of Scrabble letters at them.
Surprise surprise Drakeford is Labour, it's their policy to piss off the motorist, it's "Khanage" in London due to the Labour Mayor 🐀💩
Well he doesn’t hold a driving licence I believe ?!
the stopping distances in the highway code are wrong, they were done on cars with crossply tyres and the cars didn't have hydraulic brakes but it was never changed, we are lied to so they can justify the fines
They are way off , cars have advanced . But the stats haven’t