2003 Nissan Sentra Power Steering Rack & High PSI Power Steering Hose Replacement -Fixing it Forward

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  • @RobertPerrigoOkiechopper
    @RobertPerrigoOkiechopper 9 років тому +15

    I have been a wrench jockey since 1965 and at one time a dealership tech and time as a heavy equipment tech, my specialty was building engines,
    these days now that I'm dependent upon a wheelchair I now repair lawnmowers & build go-karts as you can see in some of my you-tube videos.
    But watching Eric preform repairs brings back wonderful memories and I watch every one of his videos, Thumbs up Eric figuring out a way to be your own boss & building a fantastic shop to work in. Believe me, I spent my days working on my back in snow packed driveways, Nice planning.

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  9 років тому +5

      +Robert Perrigo Thanks very much for that man. It's been a long strange trip, but well worth it. Good luck with your repairs and your UA-cam videos.

  • @SleeperHonda
    @SleeperHonda 9 років тому +27

    Theres nothing better then waking up early in the morning, cooking breakfast, drinking coffee, and watching Eric kick some SE RRRRRRRRse!

  • @granthoughton769
    @granthoughton769 3 роки тому +3

    If you remove the two hard lines from the old steering rack, it will slide out relativity easily without removing anything else. Before reinstalling, loosen the sway bar mounts. This will allow the new rack to go back in. Loose fit the new rack, re tighten the sway bar and the torque the rack mounting bolts to spec.
    And yep, Nissans make your forearms lot like you've tried to pet a feral cat!
    Another great video, thanks!

  • @chaise91
    @chaise91 9 років тому +17

    The dust flying off everything when you hit something with a hammer is way more satisfying than it rightfully should be.

  • @kmcca08
    @kmcca08 8 років тому +1

    Hi Eric. I work all day fixing cars like you, I come home and watch you fixing cars..I just can't get a break😄 love your videos. Very interesting and entertaining. Keep it up👍🏻

  • @aaronphx420
    @aaronphx420 9 років тому +13

    You guys should give this video a thumbs up if you want to see more fixing it forward series! Help Eric out just like he helps everyone else out.

  • @Radienleo
    @Radienleo 8 років тому +3

    Holy smokes, that's one hell of a job. I give you props for that job.
    I been watching your videos for about a year, well done!

  • @harveysmith100
    @harveysmith100 9 років тому

    A great video to show customers what you have to go through on some jobs.
    The two post lift was invaluable on this one.
    Thanks for leaving in all the mistakes and forgets, it makes us DIY mechanics feel better about our mistakes and forgets.
    The more patients you have, the more skin you have on your knuckles.

  • @westonlee9778
    @westonlee9778 4 місяці тому

    Eric, I’ve been following you for a while. This job was definitely a tough one I know because I just did it. Thanks for the details that you provided. It helped a lot man I got cut cut up like you did. No fun
    Have a good one

  • @daveogarf
    @daveogarf 9 років тому

    WOW, Eric! What an arse whoopin' the little blighter gave you! Believe me, I feel for you, having wrenched on near-impossible problems back in High School. I'm glad that you persevered, and overcame the inherent stubbornness.

  • @Michael-db1ce
    @Michael-db1ce 8 років тому +1

    This video accurately depicts what car work is, especially the first time you hold a wrench - Difficult. Your first oil change will be difficult so don't lose your mind.

  • @TONYTHETlGER
    @TONYTHETlGER 8 років тому +1

    Eric, you are the Bob Ross and Bill Nye of auto mechanics. I enjoy watching your shows. Keep it up, great work!

  • @walterbray81
    @walterbray81 4 роки тому

    video very well produced & precise thankyou Eric, found myself watching the video 20 mins after HP line removal as if i was netflix

  • @pd1jdw630
    @pd1jdw630 9 років тому

    i bet Bryan now has a much more understanding for car mechanics !
    Nice video again. thank you for recording it, and on to the next !

  • @jasonmclean5196
    @jasonmclean5196 6 років тому

    Dude, I have a Sentra 2001 and the power steering rack is leaking badly, now that I saw you replacing the whole thing, man. I'm having second thoughts.
    Greetings from Costa Rica, your tips had helped me a lot.

  • @InsideOfMyOwnMind
    @InsideOfMyOwnMind 9 років тому

    Amazing video. One of if not the best of your repair videos. Edutainment at it's finest with all the right things in all the right proportions made for what is without a doubt the most complete and accurate depiction of this job anywhere. I don't know if I should say this but part way in I began to wonder if I had somehow gotten a premium video by accident.

  • @Docoski
    @Docoski 9 років тому

    Lord I'm glad you had a ruff time with that, yes misery loves company!! Ruff day myself! Great vid, love the honesty we go thru on a daily basis!!! And super filming Brian and co!!!!!!! Thanks y'all! See Ya

  • @Blayzn18
    @Blayzn18 2 роки тому

    Great video and camera work. I really appreciate showing all the fasteners and what you had to go through to make sure everything was done right! I'm sure it took much longer to do the job but totally worth it to help out the next guy (me). I would have liked to see the diagnosis so that I'm sure I need to replace my steering rack but awesome work with what you did! Many Thanks

  • @Hymnalysis
    @Hymnalysis 5 років тому

    That is the last good-looking generation of Sentra. It's nice to see this one being preserved!

  • @mikes4408
    @mikes4408 9 років тому +10

    Good job Eric! Don't understand though, Scotty did his this week in only 3.5 minutes! The good news at least I know I don't want to tackle a job like that.

  • @Backstabbio
    @Backstabbio 8 років тому

    This is a great overview of the job, however for anyone about to try it, do yourself a huge favor and remove the sway bar. Takes about fifteen minutes and you can slide the rack out the drivers side no problem-no need to drop the engine.

  • @donald1056
    @donald1056 9 років тому +5

    That lift is incredibly useful - so much easier to work on vehicles!!!!

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  9 років тому +3

      +Donald Ellett That lift has changed my life.

  • @dc5723
    @dc5723 9 років тому

    Great job Eric. If that was me my whole tool chest and it's contents would have been thrown across the shop. Love your patience.

  • @clarkbreen4634
    @clarkbreen4634 6 років тому

    Eric you have convinced me to take my car to the garage. That was HARD!

  • @NickGiant127
    @NickGiant127 6 років тому

    I find your videos very interesting, and the ones where you do a whole bunch of things wrong is even more interesting especially when you get Thor out. You are a very mysterious car repair guy.

  • @ricknelson5095
    @ricknelson5095 9 років тому +2

    Eric, Nice job, that rack looked like a bear to do. Also appreciate the good camera work to see what was going on at those hard to see fasteners. BTW, very jealous of your lift. Keep up the good work. Rick.

  • @jamesline1587
    @jamesline1587 8 років тому

    Hey Eric, I didn't read all 690 comments so I may be repeating some body, that rack will come out without loosening the engine frame mounts, you just have to remove the strap that holds the anti sway bar down to the frame and remove the nut on the lower part of the link and you get enough space to wiggle the rack out.(pry bars and a slipper help.) you do very good videos. thanks for ideas.

  • @dyizhere
    @dyizhere 9 років тому

    Great video, as usual! I was just as frustrated as you were. One thing I learned from this video, I'm not sure I'll ever volunteer to replace a rack on a Senta :-) Thanks Eric and Brian!

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  9 років тому +1

      +Doug Y. It seems power steering racks come in 2 varieties. Very easy, and OMG I want to shoot someone.

  • @conradsimpson5651
    @conradsimpson5651 9 років тому

    I changed over a Nissan Sunny fitted with no power steering, used a donor Nissan Sunny but could not believe my bad luck when one steering shaft was shorter than other. Much venting later I swapped the complete steering assemble. I can relate to the scraped arms Mr Eric for sure.

  • @davidm3210
    @davidm3210 7 місяців тому

    FSM says remove through passenger side. I unmounted the 2 10mm bolts that mount the hose bracket to firewall and zip tied HP hoseupward to harness -that gave me enough remove to get rack out w/out having to drop subframe or remove swaybar (on my '05 1.8L). Keep motorin' B15'ers!

  • @robertmccracken72
    @robertmccracken72 9 років тому

    Great video, as the "happy" owner of two Nissans I feel your pain. I always have the same problem with cut up sore fore arms and hands after working on them. I guess Nissan techs must have to wear cut proof gloves and arm protectors, or have daily blood infusions... Thanks for your videos, they are great.

  • @singlespeedman
    @singlespeedman 9 років тому

    Great video. I am sure the service manual had great advice, such as "remove steering rack" or "remove engine and transmission".

  • @TheBeerBox80
    @TheBeerBox80 9 років тому +2

    I had a 2000 Sentra. I always dreaded working on it because I knew my arms would get scraped up. Same with my sister's 1999.

  • @markgutekunstdc2516
    @markgutekunstdc2516 9 років тому

    Thanks Eric. Great video. You have some of the best detailed videos on the tube. Thanks for all the time that you put into them.

  • @osakaliving2718
    @osakaliving2718 9 років тому

    Eric in naval Aviation we call that counting the hills and valleys lol. Been retired for 8 years but it's still engraved in my head.

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  9 років тому

      +Osaka living I'll have to use that. Thanks.

  • @beastrabban
    @beastrabban 9 років тому

    great video Eric, thanks! you have far more restraint than me.. the air would've been blue about 5 minutes into this one for me lol.

  • @slvrserfr
    @slvrserfr 6 років тому

    Very helpful as I have this same car, year and everything - found my power steering high pressure hose has been leaking and tbis has been a tremendous help in not only identifying the problem part to get a replacement but also consider using the notch screwdriver method for making my alignment a bit more straighter.

  • @nickbruns4154
    @nickbruns4154 9 років тому

    Wow. Patience is more of a virtue in this case.Great job.

  • @danielpindell1267
    @danielpindell1267 9 років тому

    Glad I got to watch this video before I go into work.

  • @corey7885
    @corey7885 9 років тому +4

    Great vid man. Keep up the good work

  • @KingsWeldingandAutomotive
    @KingsWeldingandAutomotive 9 років тому

    I like these Eric. its like I'm doing the work but you deal with the stuff that always goes wrong. keep up the good work

  • @mauriceengelbrecht3384
    @mauriceengelbrecht3384 8 років тому

    Hello Sir,This is my every day job,Power steering racks,pumps and boxes,and I work on jack stands alone no lift,it's very hard.
    Some advice don't ever try it on Merc GL,and wire brushing the pinion(universal fitting) on new racks help with all the respraying.
    I love your vids keep on going!

  • @laohantun7404
    @laohantun7404 8 років тому

    Its wonderful and great great job team, how many guys out there has the same patience like you....bless your heart.
    Lao

  • @trirycheman
    @trirycheman 9 років тому

    LOL. I can see you get the "This is going to suck to reassemble" feeling as you're removing something like I do!

  • @apachelives
    @apachelives 9 років тому

    Subaru knows how to make a steering rack easily replaceable, thank goodness for that because I'm going to have to replace mine sooner or later (knocking noises)

  • @skullerone1917
    @skullerone1917 9 років тому

    In case someone wants to diy this on their sentra, unbolt the rack as shown here and remove the engine crossmember (the part eric was using to hold everything with the jack). The rack should then come out of the passenger side wheel well with a little bit of fiddling. No need to remove all those suspension K member bolts. The engine will still be supported by two other engine mounts, but it is a good idea to put a jack underneath. And while you are in there, put in some delrin washers in the crossmember to cure wheel hop.
    Also, nissan FSM advises to remove the steering wheel. If you are not removing it, make sure that the wheel is not rotated excessively or the airbag cable will get damaged.
    There is a very good write up on how to do this on one of the sentra forums (allsentra, i think).
    I did this an year ago and it was a giant pain in the ass job.

  • @JimGriffOne
    @JimGriffOne 9 років тому +1

    Maaan, I don't envy you on this job! Fiddly jobs are the worst, especially if you have to do them on a daily basis.

    • @joelcr250
      @joelcr250 9 років тому

      +Jim Griffiths fiddly is right

  • @toribioramirez12
    @toribioramirez12 4 роки тому

    I love this videos always very easy to follow

  • @Xsoul1000
    @Xsoul1000 9 років тому

    That was a big job. As always, you are awesome man.

  • @hrep14
    @hrep14 9 років тому

    Nice video, great insight into the steering rack on a Nissan.

  • @lexmaximaguy8788
    @lexmaximaguy8788 9 років тому +1

    Did a rack job on an 01 Infiniti g20t. Alldata said nothing about dropping the frame of the vehicle. Ran to the same problem as you. What I did was drop the middle cross member off with the engine mounts. Removed the rear engine bracket of the engine block. This gave me a ton of room to move the rack to one side about a foot then drop it down back through the middle. The g20t had its own issues too made the job a pain.

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  9 років тому +2

      +Aleksandr Pokrachinskiy Yea, this one is similar. As you'll see in a future video that might have been the way to go. Thanks for your input.

    • @lexmaximaguy8788
      @lexmaximaguy8788 9 років тому

      +EricTheCarGuy Hey any bit of information that can make a future job faster and easier is always welcome in my book. Thanks for the reply eric. Love the repair vids.

    • @juandenz2008
      @juandenz2008 6 років тому

      That's the car I've got (also known as a Nissan Primera). What a headache it looks like (especially since I only have limited mechanical skills). The official Nissan manual mentions "Remove center member with engine mounting rear bracket". I wonder if this is too big a job for me :-( I hate to think how much the part is going to cost as well.

  • @barryiwashita6352
    @barryiwashita6352 6 років тому

    Watched yo vid .. got some good info of what I had to take off... took off that short hard line u cut and took the whole rack out with tie rod ends on it out the top on drivers side ... never touched the engine support..... FYI

  • @ffgenese2
    @ffgenese2 2 роки тому

    Thanks for your videos in nissan sentra SER eric !!!

  • @professorpizza69
    @professorpizza69 9 років тому

    Keep the videos coming Eric!!! Love em

  • @jason-ge5nr
    @jason-ge5nr 9 років тому

    Much respect for this guy and his channel. This isn't a 'how to deal with worn brake shoes' repair. What would the market price for this procedure be?

  • @ianmckirdy1094
    @ianmckirdy1094 9 років тому

    Thanks for the video Eric! Great stuff

  • @benjabenbad5541
    @benjabenbad5541 4 роки тому

    Buen video Gringo, gracias por compartir, eres bueno haciendo talacha.

  • @stradplayer90
    @stradplayer90 9 років тому +3

    Damn a moog tie rod end. That is the hookup.

  • @erics9213
    @erics9213 9 років тому

    I remember having to do the same thing changing the rack in my son's car. That center support, the 2 triangles ring a bell. It works though.

  • @dave1135
    @dave1135 9 років тому

    imagine having to do this in the old days before you had a hoist, Eric. :)

    • @adriancalugar3990
      @adriancalugar3990 9 років тому

      I can assure you that the car would have been outside of his shop burning before the end of the video.

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  9 років тому

      +dave1135 Oh I've done it. But I'm very happy to have the lift now. ua-cam.com/video/aL6Hm8VhGqE/v-deo.html

  • @roberttuctown1873
    @roberttuctown1873 2 роки тому

    I felt that "why is it everytime I work on Nissans my forearms get torn up" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😎🥾

  • @XDxJasonX
    @XDxJasonX 9 років тому

    damn its looks like a pain to remove! Great video/Editing Keep up Eric

  • @philliplobner7321
    @philliplobner7321 7 років тому

    My kind of drama! Thanks Eric. A good end to an awful day. Phil

  • @stewiegriffin88
    @stewiegriffin88 4 роки тому

    Well gotta say this video helped so freaking much over the past couple days. Had to do the rack on a 05 and man was it a giant pain in the ass. Got it done tho however after spending over an HR trying to get the u joint back on the rack I had to remove the boot panel from cowl to get enough room to work it on there. Not sure how tf u did it without removing that stupid panel from the cowl but that's how it worked out for me lol

  • @jorgebalbuena5496
    @jorgebalbuena5496 4 роки тому

    Great video!!! What kind of pliers are the ones you are using at 34:33? couldn't find them on your link.

  • @mikeholt7533
    @mikeholt7533 6 років тому

    Never ceases to scare shit out of me when I get a bolt like that. Starts by hand no problem then dosen't want to play without some lube and extra effort. Hang on captive nut!

  • @cfook
    @cfook 9 років тому

    Well done Eric, another reality check on how a simple job really can take up a lot of ramp time. I wonder what the alleged book time is for that job?A couple of items show how the USA and UK are nations separated by a common language. The pointy alignment tools are always called podgers and grease nipples are never called after their developer. Or maybe we are just cruder.

  • @djrumple9761
    @djrumple9761 9 років тому

    great video as always eric....i just did a v-8 front wheel drive cadillac rack n pinion in the drive way using jack stands and having to drop sub-frame as well. i think i invented some new cuss words that day lol.

  • @conradsimpson5651
    @conradsimpson5651 9 років тому +2

    Nissan looks a strong car no Nasty rust anywhere, fix the mechanical issues and it will fly down the road.

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  9 років тому +1

      +conrad simpson It does. I hated giving it back.

  • @kdmq
    @kdmq 9 років тому

    I wonder, if one removed brake master, the lower part of the airbox and the battery tray, would the hole be gaping enough to lift the rack up through the hood? Not sure if it would be worth it but you wouldn't have to unbolt the k-frame underneath.

  • @1NcognitoXx
    @1NcognitoXx 3 роки тому

    I have had a few of these Sentras both 03. One time I lost the power steering cap, I lost a tiny bit of power, but it dramatically slowed the leak from lower pressure haha. Probably a dumb move, but it works, I have to top it off like every 4-6 months instead of every other week. I should put some loose foil over the top to prevent splashing, but otherwise, I'm cool with it?

  • @namethatthing2042
    @namethatthing2042 8 років тому

    I'm sure you've heard that before but you look like Walter White from Breaking Bad series with that new style of you. Any way good job as always.

  • @chadharmon5716
    @chadharmon5716 9 років тому

    dos boot 😆 just looked like pain Eric and the editing must of taken hours on this one 👍🏻

  • @smidtyautosports7158
    @smidtyautosports7158 9 років тому

    Well done Eric!

  • @sid3577
    @sid3577 8 років тому

    Hi Eric, fantastic videos as usual. Follower from the U.K here. I have a question that i would really extremely appreciate your help with as soon as u can. I have a Nissan Almera (n16 QG18DE) 2001 engine. This is also called a Nissan Pulsar. When replacing my drivebelts today the power steering pump pulley pivots on a bracket and needed to be tapped with hammer and block of wood to move it forward to get belt off. Doing this i seem to have dislodged the metal inlet connector attached to the pump (which the hose then attaches to and then up to power steering reservoir) The inlet connector does push back in but i think it should be fixed in place. what can can i re-fix it with i.e can i use a gasket sealant or some sort of glue? it has a very fine yellowish glue looking residue on the end that pushes back onto the pump. Your advice would be greatly appreciated as cant afford a new pump and definitely labour costs!

  • @gr7485
    @gr7485 9 років тому

    Good job Eric.

  • @HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP
    @HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP 9 років тому

    Good job well done, Eric! I'm surprised that new R&P didn't come with (or stipulate for warranty) an inline filter? Or is that just new pumps? Bless you for your charity and sweat. Long overhead work is exhausting; your arms will feel like 100 pounds each later.

  • @zx8401ztv
    @zx8401ztv 9 років тому +2

    Well done Eric :-D, that looked like a total bastard to do :-(.
    Reservoir, French for "Hard to spell" :-D.
    .
    I think the car lift helped a lot, powertools/extentions saved some energy.
    I could see you slowly building up stress as you struggled, i know that feeling so well.
    Getting the old pig of a rack fully out was great, and you knew how to put the fresh one back in, although its still a bloody pain, and never easy.

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  9 років тому

      +zx8401ztv Spelling has never come easy to me. I still struggle. I have trouble reading too. That said, I can replace difficult power steering racks. I guess I'm useful after all.

  • @endersstare328
    @endersstare328 8 років тому

    If you get one, can you do an engine rebuild on a 1998 Nissan Frontier with the KA24DE? My nissan isn't blown, but I'm intrested to see what you would do if need be.

  • @johnmills186
    @johnmills186 9 років тому

    Bought a new 77 ford truck that didn't have that bolt that holds the steering shaft to the gearbox in it. It got very exciting in a big snow storm.

  • @lemagreengreen
    @lemagreengreen 6 років тому

    While I'm not a huge fan of the steering feel of a lot of modern electric racks I am a fan of the reliability. As this video proves, rack replacement/servicing can be a complete bitch access wise, anything that helps to remove sources of failure is a good thing.

  • @klc317
    @klc317 9 років тому +4

    Edited out lots of cussing on this one I bet! lol. Nice work!

  • @zivkoviczoe
    @zivkoviczoe 9 років тому

    Bravo Eric!!!

  • @Mystickneon
    @Mystickneon 9 років тому

    Thanx!!!
    If it's painful, you are using the wrong tool, or using the tool wrong.
    I cringe seeing a vehicle run without the door open or an exhaust hose.
    Reservoir.

  • @kakapac6982
    @kakapac6982 9 років тому

    i love this guy he makes me laugh everytime

  • @maharenagebreslasie5596
    @maharenagebreslasie5596 5 років тому

    Can you make how to change pawer steering change on Nissan centra 2008 please? Thank you for your video it is helpful.

  • @matthewr782
    @matthewr782 9 років тому

    Hey eric when do we get to see the Nissan's timming chain replacement video?

  • @LMacNeill
    @LMacNeill 8 років тому

    I'm sitting here watching you put the tires back on, thinking to myself, "Did they skip the part where Eric puts the sub-frame back together, or am I just not remembering it?" And then you say that you need to tighten up the sub-frame. LOL.

  • @carbonatom6838
    @carbonatom6838 9 років тому

    That had to be exceedingly difficult to film! Good stuff though man.

    • @ericthecarguy
      @ericthecarguy  9 років тому

      +Brian Genter Yea, it was challenging.

  • @tajlaugan2365
    @tajlaugan2365 6 років тому

    I have a Nissan sentra 2006 1.8S that needs a steering rack and high pressure hose replacement. I was researching it and one individual mentioned that you have to disconnect the cruise control and remove the SRS cable. Did you do that here?

  • @JakeyRofl
    @JakeyRofl 9 років тому

    damn that looked frustrating good job man

  • @fernandosolis2351
    @fernandosolis2351 6 років тому

    Thank you Eric, my 2005 Nissan Sentra barely had the power steering rack repair today, the only thing that I feel different is a little vibration in the accelerator pedal, what do you think could be the root cause of this? based in your video my mechanic guy worked into the car close to the pedal, so maybe I will check around there...

  • @michaeljohnson1006
    @michaeljohnson1006 7 років тому

    Eric have you tryd using two hammers each side on ball joints to release the pin?

  • @tommy2gun69
    @tommy2gun69 8 років тому

    Hi Eric the fact that im watching this video right now is that i had to replace a outer tierod end on the side of the road two days ago lol .. Yes it separated on me didnt think it was that bad when i did the brakes a week earlier but any ways the fact that when I fixed the one so i could get back to my house to replace the other side too well the fact you should make a video to show how to get the alignment close so they can get it alined at a shop ... But anyways WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET YOUR OWN ALIGNMENT COMPUTER

  • @VochoTalacha
    @VochoTalacha 9 років тому

    i guess the tool ETCG never fails to use on every of his videos is the youtube's description.

  • @eduardoguzman6562
    @eduardoguzman6562 3 роки тому

    Gracias Eric Exelente video

  • @IsadoreWoW
    @IsadoreWoW 9 років тому

    ive done a steering rack and had to drop subframe also, but one of the upper bolts on the subframe snapped flush leaving thread inside the car, having to drop engine, drill and retap that was fun...

    • @IsadoreWoW
      @IsadoreWoW 9 років тому

      had another where I had to cut into the frame from footwell and weld a new captive nut inside the chassis rail, both rusty volkswagens.

  • @richardjimenez3571
    @richardjimenez3571 7 років тому

    Can you tell me at what point of the video that you start working on the power steering pressure hose? I got a little confused, thankyou

  • @juanmendoza3510
    @juanmendoza3510 7 років тому

    Hey erick just wondering how would u know the high pressure hose is completely tight or is there a certain amount of thread it should have..

  • @nuggex
    @nuggex 8 років тому

    You added the zerk fitting right? Wasn't stock so to say...