Cheap Fix for Power Steering Noise | Repair - 2004 Honda Pilot
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2019
- How to fix the power steering noise and other symptoms common with this system. The same configuration was used in many other Honda vehicles, including the Ridgeline and Odyssey.
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For the repair you will need:
24oz Honda Genuine Power Steering Fluid
2 New O-rings - Honda part numbers 91370-SV4-000 & 91345-RDA-A01
Available in a kit here: www.ebay.com/itm/4-PC-KIT-NEW...
1 New Power Steering Reservoir
I purchased this one: www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-OEM-...
But there is an updated version (requires new cap - not included) and that part number is 53701-SHJ-AO2
I recommend finding some cheaper generic "Asian" power steering fluid to flush all of the old crap out with.
Required tools:
10mm stubby (short) wrench - the job would be impossible if not very difficult without one!
Long needle-nose pliers
Drain Pan
2-3 foot lengths of 5/8 & 3/8 hose
Torque wrench (8ft-lbs)
10mm socket & ratchet (extensions helpful)
Turkey baster or suction pump - Розваги
Pump cost 50 all day online. O rings are $4 for both. Bring it to the shop and get charged $150-300 and they sell your old pump to the next guy. Thanks for the video. Learned what I was looking for.
$140 Autozone. O-rings were not the issue on my car 😢
Exactly, I'm in Nigeria and that's what they do here
I wish they were that cheap anymore
In addition to that, most mechanic shop people do not accept parts if one buys it one self from online; they might accept if one buys it from the autoparts stores they patronize. And if they buy the parts themselves, the warrantee is not honored by the autoparts stores if one goes to a mechanic different then the one who installed it. O'reilly's and Napa do that along with mechanics.
Excellent video clear explanation very good close up shots of your mechanical work. No crappy music in the background. One of the best I’ve seen and I’ve seen many. Five stars.👏
Thanks for watching and for the great feedback!
Well done! It's funny how you think you're almost done until you get to that buried bolt. I had a spare 10mm wrench and bent the box end about 30 degrees in the vice. This help a lot with getting the bolt back on...just a smidge more clearance. Keep posting vids. Guys like me need all the help we can get!
Awesome video! Thank you for showing us how it sounded when running and how it ran after you repaired it.
Hello people. I did it on my 2003 Honda Pilot. It work great. If you do not have a suction gun, you can use an empty hand soap bottle and pump to get the oil out of the reservoir. God Bless!
wash the pump out well if you are going to do this. BTW, you can get a suction gun for less than $10, or a dollar store turkey baster would also work.
The suction gun is a great tool to have, it just can't get all the fluid out of this reservoir because of the screen in it. But I've used it on several power steering jobs already for sure.
Excellent tutorial! Followed step by step and purchased parts from the link you provided. 04 Pilot is turning with ease and no noise in the cold winter. Great job just raised my mechanic confidence up a notch
Only thing I would add is when purchasing the “Asian flush fluid” buy 3 to do a good flush I only bought 1 and wish I had more to flush with.
Thank you! I'm glad it helped you!
I too wished I had bought more to flush with, after seeing what came out.
Thanks for the sub also! The reason I share is to help people who might have the same issue, since others doing so has saved me immense amounts of time, headache, and money.
Thanks for sharing this video! My 2007 pilot had the same noise and I replaced both o rings. The noise is now gone it’s all good! The bottom bolt was difficult for me because I have large hands and very little space but I was able to remove it and put it back. Thanks again!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thank you for the video, I was just about to replace the pump - Great editing of video and through explanation. You saved my customer money!
It sure saved me a bunch of money!
Thank you for watching and for the kind comment!
07:50. That would have been a nice experiment to cut into that reservoir to expose that filter mesh. Why? Just to see how if the flow of the liquid was hampered especially when dirty. Great video with no cursing and no unnecessary rambling.
I'm definitely gonna try it!! My wife's sounds just like that!! Hopefully you've saved me 2-300$ as well!!
Just like most people in the earlier comments I want to thank you for your video. I would recommend that when flushing the system, it is good not to let the pump run dry. So I had someone turn the car on and turn the wheel and I was putting more of the new power steering fluid, and as I had no more to put, then I would let the person inside the car know when to stop and turn the engine off. Again thank you!
I would agree with you there, I should have bought more to flush with. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Just changed the O rings and noise stopped. Thanks a lot, glad I watched this before pulling the pump.
Glad I could help! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Changing the O-Rings did it for me. (They were flat on two sides) Stubby 10mm absolutely needed, but it took me less them 10 minutes to replace them. Thanks!
Great info. I bought both O Rings, but figured the high pressure line would be the one most likely to fail and would likely be the only one that could generate that much noise. I just popped in the top one and noise gone. The old one was hard as a rock and broke when I tried to pull it off.
Hey mine's leaking and I wanted to replace this o-ring do you think I have to drain the system if only doing the top o-ring
@@jessiesintuition3517 no
Did you drain the resivor or did you just pop the top and replace the O rings? I already replaced the resivor and return line and added the new fluid, but need to replace the O Rings. I really just done want to flush everything again.
I recommend draining the reservoir first. otherwise when you replace the o rings the fluid will seep out of the ps pump onto the alternator, which can damage the alternator. when I did this I placed plastic on the alternator and then put rags on top of that to catch any fluid and keep it from the alternator. @@elijahhowlett9350
Thank you so much for your time & video. I have a 2093 Honda Pilot. I love her very much! I am a single Mom on a tiny budget (less than $1000 a mo). I go to salvage yards for all my parts. I just replaced the radiator & was going to pull a power steering pump. You saved me a lot of money & time. I am headed home to try this. I live in AZ so it is warm 90% of the time but we have our cold nights & early mornings in the winter months. She whines really bad. Kind of embarrassing when I have to drop the kids off at school. LOL Thanks again.
Glad to help! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thanks a bunch. Worked on that elusive screw under the plastic pipe fitting for a few minutes and was really struggling. Stopped the video at 12:47 and saw the wrench and your angle and was able to pop the screw in 2 minutes. THANKS!!!!
Thank you for this. I’m having the same noise and was about to buy a whole new pump.
Great video. I would consider steam cleaning the engine bay prior to replacing anything that has fluid running through a system. Any small debris can contaminate the system and create more future repairs!
Thanks for the tutorial, going to try this before i attempt a pump change.
Saved me so far!
@@DustyDingus thank you, thank you, thank you! I was able to fix it. Its quiet again! Perfect video!
Glad to hear it!
Nice and thorough tutorial. Thanks!
Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge and taking the time to explain the procedure, importance about draining the fluid, changing the reservoir, and part numbers.
Many thanks for this. I had replaced the o rings several times with no success. Finally replaced the reservoir on and problem solved. Was hoping to avoid doing the pump.
What was the condition of the reservoir
Thanks for posting this. I was able to replace both seals in under an hour. I didn’t replace the reservoir.
It looks like I’m actually going to have to either replace or re-seal my pump. After a half hour of purging the lines, the pump is still growling when the wheels are on the ground.
The reservoir has a screen at the bottom which gets clogged and creates an air pocket below it that can often get sucked into the system. That's why Honda recommends they be replaced.
Thank you for your video! I have the same issue with my 2003 Pilot...The tutorial cuts out any guess work for me getting into this...Really appreciate all your efforts shooting the video and taking time to post this...
Glad I could help, and thanks for watching!
Now is the perfect time to tackle the job if you're on coronavirus lockdown in the US, most places deemed auto parts stores to be essential!
Cheers 🍻 and please consider tapping that subscribe button!
Thanks for your reply...I Just subscribed...funny you mentioned working on it while we’re stuck at home because that’s what I was planning to work on today...Changing both o rings but not replacing the reservoir...Was going to drain/remove the old reservoir and blow out backwards with compressed air to see if anything comes out of the fine mesh screen...
Replace both suction and discharge fitting o-rings...Both were distorted...Noise is gone!
@@fredcordano3851 glad to hear it!
Still no noise from the vehicle in the video. The wife has mentioned some stiffness at certain times, but I haven't got around to diagnosis yet. I think it's entirely possible that a few years of this cavitation during cold months damaged the pump. But it is working fine whenever I drive it ;)
DustyDingus Understood I’ve been replacing parts as I go...It has 275k plus miles but as long as I can repair with (mostly) after market parts and help from tutorial videos like yours, I’ll keep it going...
2005 pilot, power steering pump making noise. tried this fix. Noise is much less. thanks for this video.
You're welcome!
I’m about to try this trick tonight. Wish me luck this is the fix!
Can I just say….after having some replace the oem 200k mile ps pump and it still had the noise. Did the 2 o-rings and poof fixed it 100%. Was hoping I didn’t have to do the ps reservoir and I didn’t have to!
Thanks for the video. I’m going to try this on my 2006 really soon and I will report back!
Thank you for watching!
Still no noise from my wife's 04
Ordered parts and got this done! It definitely has helped but I’m actually still having some noise after it heats up and i noticed some fluid blown back around the pump before I started. I may have bought myself some time but a power steering pump is probably in the near future. This video was spot on and helped me make short work of the job. If I can make a suggestion, removing the plastic engine cover gives a little more room to work and stuffing a rag down below that lower bolt will save your bacon if you drop that bolt trying to get it back in there like I kept doing. Thanks again for the video!
exact same noise i have! will do it soon. Much appreciated!
Let me know how it goes!
Check out the video description for parts and tools needed
Cheers!
@@DustyDingus I did my 2004 pilot in 40 minutes. I used a stubby of course, and it was still a little hard to get it loosened. I also did my 2004 mdx(same part) but it was a lot easier! Literally 12 minutes or so. For both cars I did the two o-rings only, not the reservoir. Do you know if bubbles in the reservoir is never normal? My mdx still has bubbles after a half a mile drive. Thanks again!
If the reservoir on the MDX has a screen at the bottom that may be suspect, but there may also be other o-rings at the other end of the hoses.
But first, is it noisy? Did you bleed the air from the sysyem with both front wheels off the ground?
@@DustyDingus the mdx is a tad noiser than the pilot but quite better than before the o-rings. I did not bleed either cars
Good Video. If you haven't already, get yourself a set of picks. They're great for taking out O-rings.
Update: works great no noises
Thanks man you explain very well hope it works and its not the pump!
Let me know how it goes!
Thanks for watching!
@@DustyDingus Yo Dusty thanks for the video brotha everything worked out well did exactly what you said worked like a charm not the power steering pump! No leaking or noises since I changed the reservoir, fluid and, the O rings. I should have done thus years ago SMH o well you live and learn !
@@ayearetee3342 you're very welcome! Glad to help!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I did replace the two rings and it fix the problem no more noise yeah ! Thank you for the video ., I save some money 💴
As “O” ring(s) are installed, is recommended and good practice, that PS fluid is applied to seat groove and “O” ring when installed. 🤟🏼.
Great video.I was looking up prices for pump but I will just get o rings.
I have a 2004 honda pilot w/180k miles making a whining noise similar to video, but only when accelerating on the road. Checked the spots in video for those two o-ring locations and it has definitely been seeping. Had a shop diagnose it and they say bearings are bad in the PS pump and they quoted me $600 to replace it, I'm going to try this first however. Even if it doesn't work I still appreciate the informative video!!
Did it work?
@@DustyDingus It reduced the noise by 90% in intensity and length and it hasn't gotten any worse after 2 months of driving it. Safe to say you bought me several months to maybe even a year or more life for the pump. Also taught me good maintenance habits for future vehicles I own, nobody ever taught me to change power steering fluid. You're a great guy, thanks again brother!!
Went to Honda parts store to buy the 2 o-rings and the guy just smiled because he knew my problems would be fixed for $3.00 versus a new pump.
Just subscribed to your channel!!! Loved your tutorial buddy! Thanks a lot 🙏
Thank you!
@@DustyDingus Thank you for this great tutorial
At time stamp 12:10 the video states you need a stubby 10 mm wrench to get the bolt off the black plastic hose connector (low pressure hose). I did this job on an 2002 Odyssey and I had to create my own special Honda tool from a stubby 10 mm wrench. I used an angle grinder to make the box end thinner and then I bent it at a slight angle after heating it up with a torch. It was still a bugger to get access to the bolt.
Geez! Did they make that area even tighter on the Odyssey?
Thanks for watching and sharing the tip!
Good video and from my research you always should use Honda oem fluid specifically transmission and steering wheel, they're so picky about that. All fluid looks bad after time no matter what.
Very weldone bro, good 👍 tutorial.
Keep doing good work 👏
my nut at the bottom is a 12mm and not 10mm. it's never been touched, I remove the top left bolt first and pushed powersteering pump down. gave me more access to the bottom right bolt.
Excellent video and very clearly detailed. Thank you!
Bro thanks this help me out with my pilot
Thanks for the great video, silence 👍
Thank you, it was great video and very good explanation with all necessary details, 👍🙏
thank you for this!
I have an 03 Element that does this noise but only after 20 minutes into the drive and you could feel it on the accelerator pedal, would u say I have the same issue as your car or I'm dealing with something different?
I think i will try this before replacing power steering pump
My 1999 Honda Prelude power steering sound the same might try this
JOB DONE! Excellent work...thanks for sharing! One thing though; I cringed a bit when you put your nice new clean o-ring down on the dirty engine cover and installed it dry - a squirt of silicone lube or dab of power steering pump fluid would have been a nice prep before installing it....not judging just saying...still, great step by step how-to coverage!
Thanks for the tip!
@@DustyDingus Sure, from one DIY'er to another...and thank you again, this was VERY helpful
@@gp3yt I'm glad it helped you!
You are the best.Thank you
Im confused if you have the back hose connected to the new resivor and the other end blocked off what is that big hose connected too where your flushing the system with new fluid
Great video.
How did you come up with just a o-ring/reservoir replacement? I was going to change the pump but thing I'll give this a shot 1st. Thank you
Research. The intermittent noise told me the pump was working and pointed towards cavitation from air continually entering the line during cold weather. It's a pretty common issue with these.
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Hello, very good video, I have a doubt, I hope it is not a silly question, I do not know where the hose is connected to drain the old fluid with the generic fluid. Min: 9:46
Sorry I didn't see this comment at first, slip a long piece of 5/8th inch heater hose over the hose at 3:35
Thanks so much for this tutorial!
You are so welcome!
You can remove the power steering pump if the 10 mm bolt at 12:23 is rusted. It is a 12 mm bolt on the left and a 12 mm nut (need a small extension).
Thinking I have a similar issue under my power steering tank looks like that as well. Believe it's from the power steering fluid getting air and bubbling up and leaking. 08 honda ridgeline.
Best bet is to get the whole kit; fluid, reservoir, and o-rings and see how that improves. Make sure the pressure and return lines themselves are in good condition.
Thanks for watching and commenting! If you've got any questions feel free to comment back
Thanks for your time
Could you use a 10mm socket with a ratcheting wrench instead of the stubby manual one? Is there maybe not enough space for clearance ?
Yeah, there really isn't much space for swinging a full length wrench, even the ratchet kind.
So mine does the same exact squeal (not the grinding noise yours also had) but has NO leak present on either fitting. I noticed your bottom hose had gunked up oil due to possible leak. So my question is, can the pump make this noise without a leak and the o rings be causing the noise? Or does there have to be a leak for the rings to be the culprit of the noise? Thanks in advance
I was wondering did you use the Asian generic power steering fluid to flush the system? then use the Honda PS fluid, how does go. Thanks
Yes, that is correct. Just for the sake of cost, didn't want to be throwing away "the good stuff"
Great video, Thanks
I have power steering fluid leaking from the o ring
When you dropped the bolt that had the hidden hole was it hard to find? Really good video 👍
It was a while ago, hard to remember but I don't think it took too long. The long grabby tool has saved my butt more times than I can count. If I can't see it, the extendable magnet stick is my 2nd go to.
Anyone working on vehicles should own a magnet stick and a long snake claw grabber. I recently upgraded to a snake claw with a magnet on the end. Worth every penny
Thanks for watching and commenting!
what happens if you don't pump out the old fluid and just change the reservoir and add new fluid?
Also where do I get the hose from?
Craziest thing... I had the loud whirring of the power steering a month or so ago and replaced the O-Rings & reservoir like you suggested. Everything went well... until I noticed a leak in the reservoir line that travels up to the cooling tube at the top (in front of) the radiator. So I ordered a replacement hose and clamp.. which took a month to arrive. I then replaced the hose and clamp with no issues. Now... crazy as this sounds... the high pressure hose connection is leaking at the fitting. It didn't leak for a month... but as soon as I fix the leak at the reservoir hose the high pressure connection starts leaking? Would love a comment.
I'm sorry it's taken me so long to respond...
It is leaking at the top where you just replaced the o-ring? I know draining the system is a pain but o-rings are cheap. I would probably replace it again but be extra sure none of the surfaces are scratched or gouged and perfectly clean. A chain is only as strong as the weakest link, hopefully you can chase down where that is once and for all.
2007 Honda CBR high pressure power steering line removal
THANK YOU!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Nice job thank you
Thanks so much!!👊🏽
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Awesome video thanks.
Any recommendations on where did you get the 5/8 and 3/8 hoses ?
Just any auto parts store should have bulk hose, go to the counter tell them how many feet of each size you want
Thanks for watching and commenting! Sorry I didn't reply to this one sooner
What is the service interval?
Good job thanks 🙏
Thanks for the sub!
I replaced the pressure hose, also the 2 o-rings, but car still making noise when I start the car, and when I accelerate the car. I don't hear that grinding like your does, more of the whining when I start and accelerate the car.
I would replace the reservoir too, there's a screen in there that gets clogged and it can create a pocket of air below it. That air gets sucked into the system and causes cavitation in the pump. Then lift the front end, and turn the wheel back and forth with the cap off the reservoir, this should bleed air from the system. When turning back and forth, stop just before it locks, you don't want to turn the wheel until it stops.
When the engine is running and the cap removed, you should be able to see smooth fluid inside. If it is foamy or bubbly you have air getting into the system somewhere.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Excellent video. Did you buy the o ring online or from the dealership.
Online, there's a kit on ebay
Good video and nice fix, but did you read the top of the power steering fluid reservoir? It says in 3 languages to only use Honda power steering fluid. Honda only, or you could use the Idemitsu Honda formulation since they manufacture Honda's fluid. Other than that, it was a good video, but very bad advice to recommend anything except Honda power steering fluid.
The generic Asian fluid was used only to flush the system before filling it with the Honda fluid that I ordered along with the o-rings.
I dont get it what did you connect that big hose too ???
Question on the screen. Am I safe to assume it's NOT replaceable OR, can you not clean it? Thanks again!
Cleaning it may be difficult due to the location, and I could be wrong but I think Honda had another change to that reservoir that would be beneficial but I can't remember what it was.
It isn't removable, and the reservoir replacement was cheap enough it just made more sense to replace for me. Due to shipping issues and availability these days that story might be different.
@@DustyDingus Thank you. I found one at O'Reilly's, with a new lid for $11.43. Not too bad. Thanks for the reply. Have a great Christmas.
No problem! Merry Christmas and thank you for watching and commenting!
I have a question,what's All that bubbles on the power steering reservoi means.??
Air in the power steering fluid. This was one of the things I noticed while the noise was present.
Thanks for watching! I hope this answers your question
Does that means that my O rings are bad. ??
Likely. Is it making noise? Like kindof a groany whine?
If so the o-rings are probably bad or there is a leak elsewhere. The o-rings are the most common culprit.
@@DustyDingus thx my friend 🥸👍🏽
how do you know which is the return line ?
The one that sits higher (coming from radiator area) is the return. Remember, reservoirs pull from lowest point.
Good video
Dang. we have one same model, color and same noise- so its the two O rings? I need to replace?
Yup! Is it also worse in cold weather?
The orings get old and let air into the system, cold weather makes them contract further. I also replaced the reservoir because there is a fine mesh screen at the bottom that can become clogged and starve the pump of fluid and contribute to the noise. So 3 parts in total. In the description there should be a link to the kit with the fluid and orings.
@@DustyDingus is it just sound or does it also affect the feel of steering as well?
@@gilbertosanchez2102 definitely affected the feel also, made it rather stiff to turn at low speeds.
I’ve read if you use some Lucas power steering leak fix it can seal this up has anyone tried it here? I have a man 05 pilot with similar noise.
I hadn't heard that before, but I am always hesitant to use the leak fix products because they can cause other issues I'm told. Thats not to say that I wouldn't use it in a pinch as a last resort, like stuck on the road with a small leak. For a little air leak like this it could work I'm sure but is there a potential for other issues?
Do not use this. This is not for Honda’s.
I thought there'd be a reason for having "Asian" power steering fluid (as it is sold here) or the genuine honda fluid vs generic stuff. I cant tell you what the differences are engineering wise, but I'm always interested in learning!
I would not run the pump dry the vanes inside the pump will get hot really fast when the pump runs dry. You can drain the fluid disconnecting the lines under the car and then run the rack back and forth.
Is it works only Honda or works other?
Why do u have to put the wheels up when bleeding it?
i was kinda worried cus my bottom o-ring didn't come in a Honda packaging, like this one
Two weeks, i bought a 2003 accord 3.0 v6 and it had the loud noise on the power steering. the reservoir bubbles up, leaking fluid on the bottom. checked for recalls and they replaced free the high-pressure steering hose and an ignition key component. after replacing the new high-pressure hose it still has the same noise and bubble in the reservoir. i figure i need to replace the new red o-ring . so i bought it for $3, a new reservoir with the two hose that connects it. gave it to my mechanic friend to install and after that, no more noise and leaking. Saved me several hundred!
Thanks
Why was your reservoir so grimy, what was leaking all over that?
Just my wife topping it off without a funnel I think 😉
Why did you change out O rings????
This is fully explained in the first minute of the video.
Why do the wheels have to be off the ground when turning them side to side to get the air out?
Takes the back pressure off the system so air can get out. It won't bleed otherwise. Plus it makes it easier to turn the wheel rather than rubbing black circles into your driveway
@@DustyDingus: I don't have my jack available. Is there another way to get the air out? I'm sitting in gravel if that makes any difference.
Good video was wondering if you had to go to the dealer for the rings or if they were at some auto parts store?
I am not sure if they're available in parts stores or not, I found a good little kit with the o-rings and some Honda genuine power steering fluid on eBay, that's what I bought. There is a link to it in the video description.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@DustyDingus Thank you for replying im definitely subscribing!!
Replaced my o rings..after air worked it's way out of the system, 2 days of no noise, it's back to being noisy again. I really don't wanna take it off again gahh!
Sorry i know its been over a week, but
Still making noise?
Did you perform the bleeding with the front wheels off the ground and turning the wheels side to side?
mine does that too. 2008 PILOT
How much should I expect to pay for this by a professional?
Orange o ring on suction side!
This wont happening to me when i turn wheel but however, still squeaks when it cold weather squeaks i dont know i showed 3 mechanics said belt everything good idk man
That's when this creeps up the most because cold makes the dry o-rings shrink and allows air into the system. Replace the o-rings and fluid, I would bet money that your problem disappears until the o-rings need replaced again. Still holding strong since the video was posted
Unless what you're hearing is belt squeal then it could be something else, the sound in this video is pretty easily spotted vs belt squeal though
@@DustyDingus Im thinking to replace those O rings cause i see leaks there too cause thats the best thing im thinking now , everytime is cold squeaks but when it heats up it goes away , also i see some reducing powersterring fluid obviously bleeding somewhere but that O rings you may right and a lot of this videos i was thinking tomorrow first thing lol
I have no leaking around the pump area just noise while turning wheels, is it still an O ring issue?
Possibly. Check fluid level first, if it appears foamy inside the reservoir when running and the level is good it is likely an o ring or another leak letting air into the system. You can also try bleeding the air out by removing the cap, lift the front end off the ground (safely; parking brake and wheel chocks behind rear wheels) and crank the wheel from end to end, engine running of course. If that doesn't get air out of the system it is continually being introduced from somewhere.
execellent.