Why did the disciples keep the law?
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2023
- Our Hebrew Roots friends often ask: If Christians aren’t under the Law of Moses, why do we see the disciples keeping the Sabbath and so on, even after Jesus was resurrected and the New Covenant began? And the answer is pretty simple. The Mosaic rituals are permitted but not required of Christians.
So real question guys , let’s be civil here.
Sin is defined as Lawlessness (1 john 3:4) and Righteousness is following the law/gods commands (Luke 1:6 / Genesis6:22-7:1. Etc ).
I’m really asking here. How can you not sin and be righteous if you don’t follow the law?
I’m just quoting words defined in the Bible, not making things up.
Yes you don’t have to for salvation, thank Yeshua for that but I’m talking about SIN and Living Righteously
I think the problem and this is one I had as well when I was within Hebrew Roots is that the “Law” spoken in 1 John is the Mosaic law, when throughout the whole letter it’s clear that the Law that John is referring to is the Law of Christ, the same one Jesus/Yeshua preached during His earthly ministry. The same one that Paul refers to in Romans 13, to live your neighbor as yourself. Go through 1 John one more time and you won’t find that he speaks on any other Law but the Law of Christ, to Love your neighbor. Paul resumes this law in this way:
“Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”
Look how careful Jesus is in resuming the law to the rich young man:
And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
If you look carefully he doesn’t mention anything about kosher, sabbath, feast day. Not saying that a good Jew wouldn’t have kept those but the question was about eternal life.
This is why is VERY cleaver of Rob to mention 1 Corinthians 9, because he’s mentioning a Jew who saw that under the New Covenant the Law of Christ is supreme over the law of Moses.
To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.
He makes a distinction between the Law of Moses or under the Law when mentioning Jews but claims He’s still under the Law of Christ.
Sin is also defined as anything not done in faith. (Romans 14:23)
The reason that it is important to not only include this as our definition of what sin is, but also understand it in depth is because faith worketh through love. (Galatians 5:6)
This love is defined as a new commandment that did not exist in Torah (which is also important because true torah observance does not permit adding to the torah) (John 13:34)
This kind of love is not found in the Torah or the Prophets as a command and also finds no application, because the Law is not the substance or source of love. Jesus is the substance and is true love. (John 14:6)
The Torah did not permit mercy, and would not allow mercy to triumph over judgement, and destroy itself instead of inacting judgement on the one who broke it and destroy you. Only Jesus would do this. Jesus did this on the cross by shedding His own blood.
That blood that Jesus shed is not only mercy in its purest form, but that mercy is the Door into a new covenant that is not like the old covenant in way shape or form. (Jeremiah 31:32)
Not only that but Isaiah the Prophet told us in Isaiah 42, that when the Messiah comes, "He will bring His own "torah" Law" (Isaiah 42:4)
We see this fulfilled in the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus said you have heard it said (old covenant teaching/torah) BUT I say to you (my own Torah/new covenant teaching). Jesus was fulfilling Isaiah 42:4.
So understanding this we can now affirm, understand and embrace that the new covenant in the vlood of Jesus truly is a new and "living way". A way that leads us into the Holy of Holies where we can now become a part of God's temple, and receive His very Holy Spirit, who will remind us of what Jesus taught about loving others as He loved them, by laying down His life for them.
Lastly, most Hebrew Roots followers have the question:
"If i hypothetically do away with the emtire Law of Moses, how will I know how to live everyday not committing sin, for by the Law is the knowledge of sin?"
The answer is very simple.
Answer:
Galatians 5:16
But I say, walk "by the Spirit", and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
Now that the Holy Spirit of God dwells in us as His temple, if we do what He tells us to do personally everyday, He will never leads us into sin. So as we continually follow the Holy Spirit and be led by Him, we will not sin against God in our heart, neither will sin against man, because the Spirit of Christ dwelling in us would never moce us to do so.
This is why the Holy Spirit is also called the "Spirit of Liberty."
We are free to live without the Law of Moses because now we have Someone else who can guide us, teach us, lead us and bare fruit in us and through us better than the Law of Moses ever could.
The teaching of Christ to love our neighbor as Christ loved us, has now been written on heart. Therefore, every action we take from that point forward of receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit is an action committed to loveing others, without sin, totally surrendered to will of God via the indwelling Holy Spirit.
This truth is why Paul expounded upon the importance of receiving the "Promise" of the Holy Spirit to rhe degree that He did.
The Spirit of Jesus becomes the authority, head and Master of our lives, and Moses is no longer the authority, head and master of our life. (Hebrews 3)
I was in the Hebrew Roots movement, the Antipaul movement and the Black Hebrew Israelite movement for a period of 3.5 years.
I hooe this helps you 🙏📖🔑❤️
"[6] But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
Romans 7:6 NIV
"[6] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."
Galatians 5:6 NIV
"[8] The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”"
John 3:8 NIV
Righteousness in the new way is about love, faith, and following the Spirit which is much more powerful and helpful than following a written code. Imagine scenarios that are not clearly defined in the law such as when self-defense is justified, if it is ethical to eat factory farmed meat, or choosing which charities to support. Someone who acts from faith, love, and following the Spirit can act rightly here while someone who relies on a written code may struggle to discern what is right and wrong.
I see the law and written code like training wheels or a temporary teacher until one is mature enough to act from faith and love directly as described by Paul in Galatians (we are no longer under the guardian or teacher of the law):
"[24] So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. [25] Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Galatians 3:24-25 NIV
@@simplydannyWow 😮 I like your answer. Glory to God.
Sabbath wasn't a mosaic ritual...
Can you show me anyone keeping a weekly sabbath prior to Exodus? Then in Exodus 31:16-17, who is that covenant between? God and the whole world? Or God and the children of Israel?
Mat 5:19 "Therefore, whoever relaxes one of these commandments, the least, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of Heaven. But whoever does and teaches them, this one shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven."
Within the context of the passage, Jesus is saying until the law is fulfilled by Him (which it was) they are under the law, but now they aren't because the law is fulfilled.
Do you seriously have zero reading comprehension or are you demonically deceived?
Tell him!
When was your last animal sacrifice oh holy Moses?
@woodyhayes7402 1 there is no temple
2 Jesus is that animal sacrifice so that law is still fulfilled
The savior took that away as he was the perfect sacrifice.
Thank you mr solberg. I appreciate your insight on this issue.
When I lived in the house of my mother and my father, I was under their supervision, they taught me the word of GOD, they taught me habits and skills, and things that I needed in order to be the best that I could be. But now that I am older and I have joined to my wife, I am no longer underneath their supervision. I also take everything they taught me and realize that I was required to do those things that they taught me ONLY when I lived under their house. Now I have become a complete apostate abandoning all they raised me up to be, and I am doing so with all the love I can produce and with all my heart I honor my parents. Whatever they taught me, I’m no longer keeping it, what they taught me I’m no longer an required to honor or to lift up. What they taught me was just required and necessary only during the time when I lived under their house, and their rules and it was not for any other time in my life.
Thank God I’m free from their ways and I can walk in liberty. Thank you Jesus.
Yet KING YESHUWAH ( JESUS) Says otherwise.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to FOLLOW MY DECREES and BE CAREFUL TO KEEP MY LAWS.
Ezekiel 36:26-26 completely debunks this false message.
Matthew 5: 17 ¶ “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
19 “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
What does fulfill mean to you? If you fulfill a debt, are you still required to pay it?
@@danielnelson9411 What law is Jesus referring to in Matthew 5:17-20?
amen
Oh, I see... So now you are calling the Commandments of GOD mosaic rituals. You place yourself in a very difficult position because you are playing around with what God called 'statutes forever'.
Hey, T-Time! Are you suggesting that the commands that Yahweh gave to the nation of Israel through Moses did not include rituals?
Blessings, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots I never suggested a thing. I'm just trying to understand how you call Sabbath (and the other Instructions you mentioned in your video) a mosaic ritual when it was a Command of God, that HE said needs to be kept forever.
@t-time1 Yeshua himself referred to the law of Moses....was he saying it wasn't of God?
However the point is...these things were shadows and types but the reality is found in Messiah :)
@@interpretingscripture8068 I don't understand if you think saying 'Law of Moses' changes anything. Yes, it was the Law of YHWH, given through Moses, who was the Prophet of the Most High. I mean it's very simple. It wasn't an idea Moses put to paper... It was given to Moses by YHWH. Ok, so what do you mean when you say the realities are found in Messiah? Flesh that concept out for me please.
I don't respond on any more of Rob's videos because he doesn't actually answer anything and he uses comments to create content.
@t-time1 my first point is that it I s biblical to call them the laws of Moses. :)
As far as the realities are found in Messiah....such as the sacrifices....these all pointed to the ultimate sacrifice that Yeshua would make upon the cross like Isaiah 53 spoke of.
Come on Mr Solberg, now you call it Mosaic rituals - no matter how you try to spin it, it will always be our heavenly Father's instructions. I hope one day you will have the courage to admit this.
Then why did Paul say what he said in those verses if we are to still keep those?
@@Lowlightyoutube I can give you just as much if not more verses where the same Paul says that we should keep the Law for example Rom 3:31
@@reanmouton8413 there is no Direct prescription or commands to follow the law in this verse.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
This is obviously an answer to a previous long-form argument and which Paul is basically summing up but in order to fulfill the purpose of the law you must come to faith in Christ so when one is in faith, the law has fulfilled its purpose.
Now if you have any verses that are actually a Direct prescription to follow the law of Moses for New Testament believers, please do provide it because this verse is not it
@@theomegawerty9688 it's not Moses' law - it's the Father's. And there's no new testament - that's a man-made page
@@reanmouton8413 again you are incorrect. The scripture literally refers to it as the law of Moses. And the scripture literally refers to Jesus as the testator of a new and better Testament. So you are now wrong on three counts.
However you could still reprieve yourself, by providing the evidence of your claim that you know tons of direct prescriptions for Christians to follow the law of Moses
Amen! Tho my friend continues to Judge me regardless.
The reason why this mans life is all about debunking the truth of Yeshuas torah is because he knows Christians are waking up..
Yes...we are....waking up to the truth of the Gospel and the fullness of Christ and how much He is the fulfillment of the law :)
The entirety of the Old Testament had a purpose; to bring about the New. Jesus is the culmination of the Law. The obedience that God requires is the obedience of faith in Christ. “The law is good if it is used lawfully.” “The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.”
@@cynthiahunter2570 you cant say the law was your school master? U wer3nt brought up in the law what are you talking about? Tge diciples can say that but you cant. Now did the law bring them to messiah, Yes it did. Are we waiting for Yeshua? Yes we are, thus the law is our school master until it takes us to him on his return. This is why Paul said that the sabbath the new moon is a shadow of things to come, the reality is Messiah, but he is not here right now thus we have the shadows, they point to him. We learn from them about the reality who is Mesiah.
@@yeshuaeselcaminoayhwh1861
The culmination of the OT law was at the cross. Jesus said “all power in heaven and earth has BEEN given to me.” Not will be given to me.
The NT is not authority, neither is Paul. The Tanach is HASHEM WORD
Are you denying the Messiah?
@Mrs C The man you present is no messiah, read the Torah. If he tells you to veer from the Law, he is a false prophet.
It is no wonder they would reject the man you present.
Learn who Jesus was,
what he taught,
What Paul, the Pharisee, actually meant in his letters.
2 Peter 3:15-16
I am sorry you have been mislead, may you come to the truth.
@@mrsc6917 J-sus, who ever he was ,was definitelty NOT the messiah. Theres nothing to deny.
LOL
@@Panthersfan89 That is your belief with no proof. Iam not talking about emotional belief. According to the Hebrew Scriptures he was definitetly not.
Keep up the great work! They will hate you but your work is VERY important for the New Jerusalem. It’s not for the haters but the others who are confused and humbly seeking the truth.
The actual answer is even more simple: The mosaic law includes laws for non-hebrews living in Israël: Do not eat meat offered to idols, do not eat meat from strangled animals or blood, and do not commit sexual immorality.
Acts 15:28-29 recognizes non-circumsized christians as falling under this category. The law was never abolished. We still follow it to this day to the degree that it applies to us as gentiles.
Amen‼️
It's that simple.
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
1 John 5:2
Which commandments are we supposed to keep under the new covenant?
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha Good question brother. For starters, a lot of the commandments only apply to a specific demographic. Some only apply to priests. Some only to the Temple service. Some only to women, etc. So, with that said, a good place to start is the (full) 10 commandments (Exodus 20). And then the holy days (Leviticus 23), and then the dietary laws (Leviticus 11). I hope this is helpful.
@@disciplemike1 So you aren't keeping h the commandment given in Genesis 6:14? If not why not?
Also what about Genesis 9:3 do you keep that commandment? If not why not?
If you reply back to me saying those commandment don't apply to us today. Then you have just proven my point. Gods commandments are covenantal and they do change. Obviously we no longer keep Genesis 9:3 because we are not in that covenant anymore. You then posted Leviticus 11 to me. Yet we are not in that covenant anymore. So for you to tell me to try and keep the law of Moses. Is like me trying to tell you to keep the law of Noah. When we both know those laws are no longer in effect. Under the new covenant the dietary laws have changed again. We are permitted to eat all living creatures again, just as Noah was permitted in Genesis 9:3. We see this directly from Jesus's mouth in Mark 7:19 and also 1 Timothy 4:4-5.
So why are you so trying to keep laws that no longer apply today? There is no temple, it is literally impossible to keep any of the law of Moses. Because there is no temple, and that is why Jesus destroyed their temple in 70 a.d.
@@disciplemike1 None of those laws you presented apply to me. I'm not a child of Israel. I'm not under the law of Moses and we never have been. In fact the Jews in Jesus's day tried to enforce the law of Moses on new converts to Christianity. All of Jesus apostles rebuked them swiftly. Read the whole chapter of Acts 15 especially verse 24. We were never commanded to keep the law of Moses or get circumcised. All of those laws were nailed to the cross. Jesus is the final atonement sacrifice.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha with respect, if none of the laws apply to you, why would you need a Savior? With no law, you can go do whatever you want.
Thank you 🙏
1John 5:16-19 indicates there’s sin leading to death, and not leading to death. - There’s several scriptures that describe the result of that sin is eternal death.
Definitely love your neighbor and brother. Be careful and be nice to everyone. Be a peacemaker.
And build a consistently close relationship with the Lord. Seek Him about everything and everyone. And read His Word the Holy Bible.
Rob, I have a question, how can Anyone “keep” the Feasts if they “Required” Blood Sacrifices and A Levitical Priesthood, when Jesus said He is High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek?
What is the Context of Hebrews Ch 3-Hebrews Ch 4?
If Paul and the Apostles were saying he BECAME as one under the Law to Save some, then what was he saving them from if those Rituals were not a Rejection of Christs Fulfillment of the Promises made to Abraham?
Hebrews Ch 8:10-13 says that It was Waxing old and Vanishing away, so then Trying to keep the festival’s with Sacrifices and Offerings of “Blood” Sacrifice, after Christ has Come, why would that be permitted?
Wouldn’t that be a rejection of Christ, even IF you don’t force Gentiles to do such things?
I have a hard time understanding your position on this, in light of the book of Hebrews?
I know people shouldn’t squabble about kosher meat and The weekly Sabbath assembling or assembling any day of the week in Christ, as only a sacred assembly day, not according to the Old Covenant but how can the Feasts, be kept, as commanded by the Torah, which Christ Fulfilled in his Own body, without Syncretizing the Old Covenant with the New?
Wouldn’t both Jews and Christians, be rejecting Jesus Christ, as the FINAL Atonement Sacrifice, even if They CHOSE to keep those rituals, without imposing them on Gentiles?
Could you please explain these things.
Thank you Rob.😊
That's a great question, Heidi. And I believe you've already answered it. The only way one could keep the feasts today is by altering what the Law required. Because without a priesthood or a temple (and outside of the ancient nation of Israel), it is literally impossible to keep those Mosaic regulations. Even practicing Jews who keep the feasts are not able to perform the rituals that involve the temple and so they just do the best they can.
So when I say Christians are "permitted but not required" to keep the Mosaic rituals, I'm not talking about upholding the legal requirements of those ceremonies but rather observing them as a commemoration or remembrance. Followers of Jesus today can participate in a Passover Seder, or Sukkot, or a Yom Kippur service as a remembrance of what God did for His people, and to acknowledge the ways these feasts prefigured and pointed to (and were fulfilled in) Jesus. This is especially appropriate as a regular practice for Messianic Jews, who are ethnically Jewish people who have come to faith in Jesus. These rituals are boundary markers of their Jewish identity and have been part of their culture and customs going back centuries.
So in and of themselves, I see no problem with believers in Jesus observing these things. In fact, I believe Jesus and the NT authors had an expectation that Jewish followers of Jesus would go on keeping them. But they are certainly not to be kept as a matter of legal obligation or as a means of establishing righteousness or salvation!
My two cents,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots
Thank you Rob, for Getting back to me on this.
Ok, Rob, just so I understand you clearly.
Part of your response was cut off on the right side, which made it difficult to read it all, but, is it your position, that a “Jewish” Believer in Yeshua, should NOT go up to Worship in A Future 3Rd Temple, in Jerusalem, if one happens to be built, under a future Peace agreement, between Israel and Their Enemies, especially, if they are Doing Animal Sacrifices in it, Because, The Unbelieving Jews, will “Also” be Keeping the Jewish Festivals WITH the Blood Sacrifices and Offerings?
So, based upon your position of “permitted” but not “required”, wouldn’t “believing” Jews, Think that they Are “Permitted” to participate in those Feasts, even though, Those activities would be performed during those festivals, and in rejection of Jesus being their Messiah and “Final” Sacrifice for sin, as well as, Yeshua being, Their “New” High Priest, after the Order of Melchizedek and after a different Tribe, with which, No man gave attendance at the Altar?
That’s what I’m confused about, concerning what your position is on these things.
Didn’t the Destruction of the 2nd Temple signify that those Festivals had Waxed old and Vanished away as Christ was the Reality of what those Annual Festivals Foreshadowed?
Didn’t Paul and The Apostles only Practice them for a time in order to that They could reach the Jews with the Gospel of Jesus Christ being the Fulfillment of them in the Promise made to Abraham?
I’m not trying to be a “Smarty Pants” but I’m really trying to understand, where is the Line drawn, between “Works” based Salvation and “grace through Faith”, if Both Jewish Believers and Gentile believers in Jesus/Yeshua, believe they are “Permitted” under the NEW COVENANT to Keep these Festivals, “The best that they can.”
I know you said that they were “Permitted” and yet, not “Required”, and All can participate in them as a demonstration, as to how they all pointed to Christ, but, at some future point, The Jews Will Rebuild a 3rd Temple and ReEstablish the “Sacrificial System”, according to the Torah. Which will include Sin Offerings.
Is it your Position, that Jewish Christians are Permitted to Participate in their Festivals at this Temple with the Blood Sacrifices going on in it?
What Should Jewish Christians do in this circumstance? Are Jewish Christians “Permitted” to participate in those Feasts?
Could you teach a video on What “Jewish Christians” Are “Permitted” to Do, AT Their Jewish Festival’s and “Not” Permitted to do, as it pertains to Maintaining their Jewish Identity, without “denying” Christ, as the “fulfillment” of them.
Thanks Rob😊
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Helpful!!!! 🎉🎉
Amazing knowledge
Thank you!
I think an argument can be made that it was the Jews that were constantly judging the gentiles for not keeping the law. So when are Hebrew roots friends try to say that it was merely people trying to keep these feast and Sabbaths that Paul was telling them not to let someone judge them concerning these things but that just doesn't make sense. Paul's letter was to the Colossians (Gentiles) and we know from Paul's writings that it was the Jews that are constantly attacking the gentiles for not keeping the law.
Paul was addressing the Jewish believers who claimed that keeping law was essential to salvation. Salvation is not based on the law, it is based on grace through the blood of Jesus.
That was his point, not that the law wasn't supposed to be kept, or that it wasn't good, but that it was not the path of salvation.
@@katiemarks691 No he was talking to the Colossians to all the brother in there.
.. he said 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. And we know from past scriptures that Paul had disagreements with the Jewish Christians about telling the gentiles to keep the law. Therefore he told the Colossians not to let the Jews judge them for not keeping the levitical dietary laws and the feast and the Sabbath days etc.
@@katiemarks691 salvation is not based on the law of Moses. Paul absolutely taught salvation is based on the law of Christ though. We are not under the law of Moses under the new covenant. But we certainly are under the law of Christ. That's why Jesus said if you love me keep MY commandments John 14:15.
That's how we KNOW him, is by keeping HIS COMMANDMENTS 1 John 2:3.
The love of God is that we keep Jesus's commandments 1 John 5:3.
Jesus commanded us to keep HIS commandments, to abide in his Love John 15:10.
True Christians keep the law of Christ and have faith in Jesus, Revelation 14:12.
Those who do Jesus's commandments will have right to the tree of life Revelation 22:14.
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. 👉🏻 *Keeping God’s commands is what counts* 👈🏻
Paul didn't teach 👆🏼 against the law of Christ. 1 Corinthians 9:21.
Romans 2:6-7, 10, 13 👉🏻 *Who will render to every man ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS*
7 to them who by patient 👉🏻 *CONTINUANCE IN WELL DOING👈🏻 seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life*
10 *but glory, honour, and peace, 👉🏻TO EVERY MAN THAT WORKETH GOOD, to the Jew FIRST, and also to the Gentile* 👈🏻
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just before God, 👉🏻 *but the DOERS of the law shall be justified* 👈🏻
Paul teaches the law of Christ is 100% necessary for salvation. The only laws Paul taught were not necessary for salvation was the law of Moses, Ephesians 2, Galatians 1-6, Romans 3-5. Etc etc.
John 17:21
“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
Ah, good old Colossians 2 and Romans 14....no one ever keeps these passages in context.
Now that I think of it...were ANY of the "Old Testament" laws ever forbidden? Is that the reasoning for the commandments we don't keep now?
I grew up Christian.
Honestly I would love anyone to explain to me why Christians follow some laws from the Torah , but others are crazy . The ones that say do forever , those ones .
How are any of those verses out of context exactly? Or are you just going to reinterpret to fit your narrative?
You do know that there are two laws being discussed the New Testament right? You have Gods law and the Pharisees law.
💔 heartbroken that's all I can say. Especially when we go and attack brothers who actually teach the truth. Father rebuke it in Jesus name.
I guess it depends on what side of the Fence you are? This is a very ???
If the law determines sin, then how would trying to keep the law NOT equate to obedience?
I would define sin most simply as rebellion against God and willfully disobeying His will and His ways. For those under the law of Moses, breaking that law was sinful, of course. But sin is much bigger than that! In fact, “sin was in the world _before_ the law was given” (Rom. 5:13, see Gen 4:7; 13:13; 18:20; 39:9). So if we merely define sin as a transgression of the Law of Moses, then Adam and Eve never sinned, because they did not break any of the Mosaic commands.
Blessings, Rob
Yes. Thank you.
When this comes up, I usually let the Bible speak for itself concerning what we are commanded to do as gentiles:
Acts 15: 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
It’s the only council that is technically inerrant and infallible as it is recorded in scripture
It says they will learn the law of moses every sabbath in the synagogue so that was just a starting point for them to learn the rest
@@Supernaturalseamoss the laws in acts 15:28-29 are ancient mosaic laws that applied to gentiles living in the holy land. Non-hebrew christians are exactly that.
@@Supernaturalseamoss amen
Its amazing how I never saw that verse which tells us WHY the new Gentile believers were given those four instructions .... "For = BECAUSE , the were given four instructions from the Torah to follow, not to be justified, they were justified by faith, they were given four instructions to forsake paganism and defilement BECAUSE they would be hearing Moses taught from the Moses seat EVERY SHABBAT.
Before I started to obey God I sincerely never noticed that verse.
"We are only given as much truth as that which we choose to obey" M.R.
Psa 119:99-100 " I have more understanding than all my teachers; for Your Testimonies are a meditation to me. I understand more than the aged, for I keep Your Precepts."
There are no laws of Moses. They are commands of God. And Moses was talking to Jesus
I usually ask you guy's a simple question should we learn from Jesus or the evil Paul?
Hi GT! Jesus said this about the Apostle Paul: “This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel” (Acts 9:15). And Jesus said, “Whoever receives the one I send receives me” (John 13:20). So, to reject Paul is to reject Jesus who sent him.
Shalom, RLS
You have no idea what you are talking about. You are only mouthing what the anti-Christ Paul stated. Did not Jesus state that the law would be in place and required until the very end. And that not one not or tittle would be changed. Didn’t Jesus state that to gain entrance into Heaven required keeping the Law. Ok, so you believe the false Alostle Paul over Christ.
They were Jews who had observed the law their entire life so it's expected. It took time for clarity in regard to the difference between the new and old covenant to be understood. As well as we are free in Christ to observe or not observe days and feasts but these were only shadows of the reality found in Messiah.
Shalom
3 John 2
Exactly. We are Jewish Nazarenes and do this practice. Praise Yeshua. its not required for gentiles.
@@danielnelson9411 Nope
@@danielnelson9411 show me gentiles following torah in the NT
@@danielnelson9411I believe the survivors among this nations are jews. Acts 2:5-8 - "There were dwelling in Jerusalem JEWS devout men from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, 'Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born?'"
@@danielnelson9411 nope
Can you "prove" your case without using Paul's words? Is it Jesus' or Paul's "words" that we are to follow?
Hey, DT! Do you reject the writings of Paul as part of Scripture?
RLS
Paul's words are the commandments of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 14:37-38.
I guess most wont ask it the way you did since we dont believe in being under the law
One thing everyone can agree on (i believe) The Most High doesn't change. So now he suddenly changed his own law? I really doubt The Most High has different rules for different people. I could be wrong, i don't claim to know anything.
I will say everyone reading a KJV or anything based off of it needs to study some Hebrew and Aramaic. One word that they translated into the word "end", also has the meaning of "goal". Remember, Hebrew had few words with several different meanings. So just taking the scripture that you're reading and not studying anything else might be an injustice to yourself.
One such part is about not mattering about what you eat, and the words "therefore Jesus made all food clean", notice i said added. Added by whom?
We really don't know exactly what is true and isn't. In 2000 years, man has had his hands in defiling the true word. Why, because man is ruled by tge flesh and probably a little nudge here and there from Satan. The days of our week are named after pagan gods, the days and months wasn't named by GOD, but by man. GOD numbered hes days and his calendar is in the heavens. At one time there was 13 months in a year tgat was dictated by the lunar cycle.
Sin is lawlessness (aka: sin is breaking the law in a misinterpretation). Yes it is, but only if im under that law and said yes to do all thats in that law. Sin is not a technical word that always mean one thing, as "breaking the law given to Israel. In other words it actually means to go wrong in a path that is given to you, lawlessness is to make that path crooked. Grace is enough for us and faith in Gods work on the cross and keeping the words that Jesus spoke is our path. A big BUT! Even when we fail in one way or another...there will be Grace and forgivness. Some say we are not in heaven yet, that is true. But im so sure that we will be, that i actually can say: You are already there. Blessed are we in the body of christ.
Your teaching is wack and against the God of Abraham Issac aand Jacob..our God is 1
My God is one, too, Israel! (Deut 6:4-5)
RLS
Colossians 2 is actually teaching against asceticism.
Weird how this guy insists so hard that Saul was superior to Jesus and teaches God-honoring Christians to stop being obedient.
Especially since he claims to be so much more educated than Christians who, idk, read Deut 13 one time and learned both why God allows false prophets and how to identify them.
Brother Rob, our Father promised to give us the desire of our heart, and the Word which became flesh is our Bridegroom. Have you ever been with a woman who just wanted what you have, rather than WHO YOU ARE? Who thought nothing of reducing you to the least requirement she had to cough up just to remain attached to you like a parasite? Do you realize what that kind of bride really wants? What you want?
INDEPENDENCE AND SELF-ORIENTATION.
Remind you of anyone else who was once a worship leader…in Heaven?
Well, those who desire independent self-orientation will get just that! In the only place Abba Created where His Mercy and protection does not exist.
That is enough to set this issue straight…not to mention that there are huge holes in your justifications, such as trying to twist Col2 to be referring to the “days, etc…” as Torah reference to Sabbath-when Col2:8 and 20 IN NO POSSIBLE WAY REFER TO TORAH.
These are two witnesses…and you really don’t need any more to embrace your calling as a Rev14:12 Saint.
Take heart, we are the generation who is like the son who said “I will not!” …but examined himself and OBEYED THE FATHER, in the Parable of the two sons!
No Gold-diggers-Only faithful virgins with Thy Word which is The Light for our path!
No we are not permitted to do sacrifices again like Jesus even said offer the sacrifice oh no they kept the law you can't mix the two I pray brother you learn the difference between the Kingdom of heaven on Earth and the gospel of the grace of God
The biblical feasts are not rituals. They are not just for the Jews, they are God's feasts. Observe them Jews and gentiles, that is what being Messianic means. One whole man.
Context
Paul says that, true. But he also says this.
Galatians 5:2-3 (ESV): Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.
So Paul doesn't exactly see the law as a buffet where you can pick and choose. Some things, yes. Others, no. And he even waffles on this point according to Acts.
Acts 16:3 (ESV): Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him, and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.
As per usual, good luck sorting out Paul if you're going to include Acts and the disputed epistles.
My good sir--- Its time to study more before you start teaching people... Im sorry, but from a historical, grammatical stance it seems that you are not correct. You are taking scripture out of its original meaning in my opinion.
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Wow, lots of eisegesis going on.
Be man and set up a debate
I wish you knew how much you are missing out. I thought you follow Jesus. But you follow Paul. Now, its much easier to follow my Messiah. Of course they were not forbidden. How is keeping the feasts affect the Gospel?
Hi Anna! Jesus said this about Paul: “This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel” (Acts 9:15). So to reject Paul is to reject Jesus, who sent him.
Shalom, RLS
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YEHOVAH THE TRUE GOD, THE GOD OF TRUTH
SERVE YEHOVAH IN SINCERITY AND IN TRUTH
WORSHIP GOD YEHOVAH IN HOLY ARRAY
Jeremiah 10:10 ASV
But
JEHOVAH IS THE TRUE GOD;
he is the living God, and an everlasting King: at his wrath the earth trembleth, and the nations are not able to abide his indignation.
Psalm 31:5-6 ASV
Into thy hand I commend my spirit: Thou hast redeemed me,
O JEHOVAH, THOU GOD OF TRUTH.
[6] I hate them that regard lying vanities; But I trust in Jehovah.
Psalm 119:142,151,160 ASV
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And
THY LAW IS TRUTH.
[151] Thou art nigh, O Jehovah; And
ALL THY COMMANDMENTS ARE TRUTH.
[160] The sum of
THY WORD IS TRUTH;
And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever.
Psalm 19:9 ASV
The fear of Jehovah is clean, enduring for ever:
THE ORDINANCES OF JEHOVAH' ARE TRUE, and righteous altogether.
Deuteronomy 4:8 ASV
And what great nation is there, that hath statutes and ordinances SO RIGHTEOUS AS ALL THIS LAW, which I set before you this day?
Jeremiah 23:9 ASV
Concerning the prophets. My heart within me is broken, all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome,
BECAUSE OF JEHOVAH', and
BECAUSE OF HIS HOLY WORDS.
Psalm 19:11 ASV
Moreover by them is thy servant warned:
In keeping them there is great reward.
Psalm 119:165 ASV
Great peace have they that love thy law; And
they have no occasion of stumbling.
Joshua 24:14 ASV
Now therefore
FEAR JEHOVAH, and
SERVE HIM
IN SINCERITY AND IN TRUTH;
and
PUT AWAY THE GODS which your fathers served beyond the River, and in Egypt;
AND SERVE YE JEHOVAH.
John 4:19-24 ASV
The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
[20] Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. [21] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, shall ye worship the Father. [22] Ye worship that which ye know not: we worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews. [23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when
THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS SHALL WORSHIP THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH:
for
SUCH DOTH THE FATHER SEEK TO BE HIS WORSHIPPERS.
[24] God is a Spirit: and
THEY THAT WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH.
Psalm 96:9 ASV
Oh worship Jehovah in holy array: Tremble before him, all the earth.
Psalm 95:6-8 ASV
Oh come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before Jehovah our Maker: [7] For he is our God, And we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To-day, oh that ye would hear his voice! [8] Harden not your heart, as at Meribah, As in the day of Massah in the wilderness;
Isaiah 63:16 ASV
For thou art our Father, though Abraham knoweth us not, and Israel doth not acknowledge us:
THOU, O JEHOVAH, ART OUR FATHER;
our Redeemer from everlasting is thy name.
Isaiah 64:8 ASV
But now,
O JEHOVAH, THOU ART OUR FATHER;
we are the clay, and thou our potter; and
we all are the work of thy hand.
.John 17:1,3 ASV
These things spake Jesus; and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, FATHER, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that the Son may glorify thee: [3] And this is life eternal,
THAT THEY SHOULD KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ.
1 John 5:20-21 ASV
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that
we know HIM THAT IS TRUE, and
we are in HIM THAT IS TRUE,
even in his Son Jesus Christ.
THIS IS THE TRUE GOD, and eternal life. [21] My little children, guard yourselves from idols.
Zechariah 7:12 ASV
Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear
the law, and the words
which Jehovah of hosts had sent
by his Spirit
by the former prophets:
therefore there came great wrath from Jehovah of hosts.
Nehemiah 9:6-7,13-14,20,26-30 ASV
THOU ART JEHOVAH, EVEN THOU ALONE; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all things that are thereon, the seas and all that is in them, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
[7] THOU ART JEHOVAH THE GOD, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham,
[13] Thou
camest down also upon mount Sinai, and
spakest with them from heaven, and
gavest them
right ordinances and
true laws,
good statutes and commandments,
[14] and
madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and
commandedst them
commandments, and
statutes, and
a law,
by Moses thy servant,
[20] Thou gavest also thy good Spirit to instruct them,
and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.
[26] Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against thee, and cast thy law behind their back, and slew
THY PROPHETS
THAT TESTIFIED AGAINST THEM
TO TURN THEM AGAIN UNTO THEE,
and they wrought great provocations. [27] Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their adversaries, who distressed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies
THOU GAVEST THEM SAVIOURS WHO SAVED THEM out of the hand of their adversaries. [28] But after they had rest, they did evil again before thee; therefore leftest thou them in the hand of their enemies, so that they had the dominion over them: yet when they returned, and cried unto thee, thou heardest from heaven; and
MANY TIMES DIDST THOU DELIVER THEM according to thy mercies, [29]
AND TESTIFIEDST AGAINST THEM,
THAT THOU MIGHTEST BRING THEM AGAIN UNTO THY LAW.
Yet they dealt proudly, and hearkened not unto thy commandments, but sinned against thine ordinances (which if a man do, he shall live in them), and withdrew the shoulder, and hardened their neck, and would not hear. [30] Yet many years didst thou bear with them,
AND TESTIFIEDST AGAINST THEM
BY THY SPIRIT
THROUGH THY PROPHETS:
yet would they not give ear: therefore gavest thou them into the hand of the peoples of the lands.
ANTILAW ANTICOVENANT ANTITESTIMONY ANTIYEHOVAH PREACHERS ARE UNGODLY FALSE DECEPTIVE, TEMPTING, VAIN AND DESTRUCTIVE TO SOULS THAT SHOULD BE SAVED
Paul was all things to all men,he was a jew to his brethren and a gentile amongst gentiles . He knew it was all grace. The Jewish pharisees we're legalistic,the enemies of the Jews were the Romans and more so the Samaritans. The Samaritans we're hated more and not eligible for the kingdom.jesus taught be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. Our witnessing is judged by our attitudes towards others
Revelations 22
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
This is the last book of the bible and end time prophecy. Pretty sure it's naming at the very least the 10 commandments. And Pretty sure it plainly states you will not enter into the God's Kingdom.
1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Pretty sure that's saying if your not keeping God's laws your sinning. Jesus died for our past sins not for us to continue to commit sin.
1 John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
This one's pretty self explanatory but it's basically saying anyone who tells you you don't have to keep God's commandments is a liar.
And the final dagger from the lips of the Messiah himself.
Luke 18
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
So clearly Jesus has told the young man for him to enter into eternal life he must keep the commandments. Then he goes on to name them specifically and added sell all your material goods and give the money to the poor.
So if you want to risk your your salvation listening to somebody telling you keeping God's laws are optional keep in mind they won't be standing next to you in judgement pleading your case to God. You will.
Sooo.... Basically Paul right? 😂
Weird Rob, on this video you acknowledge they kept the Torah.
But you spend your waking hour tryimg to be our stumbling block, believing US as non richounes, and say we do it for Salvation..... plus lable US all as HRs.....
You can not havenit both ways Rob.
I pray Father YAH will give you sight. And Stop using that stupid man made up Word Frase "Mosaic".... for this is your eye patches....
Shalom to you, hopefully a brother
In the True faith some time down this Path..I
Hi, Smurfy! Of course the disciples and Jesus kept the Torah! They were under the Mosaic covenant. But you and I are not.
Not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile), and we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. And the ceremonial Mosaic commands do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
Blessings, Rob
Paul word is not the word of God. And he is difficult to understand. JESUS said we have to to keep the law
Mat 23:1 NLT - Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 NLT - “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses.
Mat 23:3 NLT - So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach.
Hi Yaishayahla! Here’s the problem. If we want to accept the parts of the Bible we agree with, and reject the parts we don't, it's not the Bible we believe but ourselves.
Shalom, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots theres one truth . and the gross misinterpretation of the scriptures cannot continue being that we are this close to the end .
2Pe 3:15-16 KJV - And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Constantine Changed the Sabbath in A.D. 321, the Roman Catholic Church even admit to it. Easter n Christmas ain't Scriptural. A.E.N.T Aramic English new testament, Colossians 2v16 Let no (pagan) (11) therefore judge you about and drink, or about the distinction of festivals and new moons and Sabbaths. No one can be Saved by keeping the Commandments, Only Yahushua-Jesus. Come out her My people and be separate. Yahushua the Messiah is Goal (end to a means) of the law-Torah.
Hi mr Solberg , I have a question for you , do you believe Jesus is the father as I do ?
Hi, Scott! I believe Jesus is God and the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
Blessings, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots I believe the father is eternal risen spirit of Jesus Christ
The son is the eternal risen body of Jesus Christ and the holy spirit is the eternal life breath of the eternal risen Jesus Christ which is his spirit breathed out .
I'll explain please take your time to study what I'm saying , I am a fellow Christian .
@@TheBiblicalRoots Ok to begin with I'll take you to Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
It's clearly stated a child is to be born who will be God the father , the Jews will try to twist this .
So it all begins in the womb of Mary , God the father (eternal risen Jesus) forms in Mary life itself (life number one )
Colossians 1:15-20 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
@@TheBiblicalRootsso God created in Mary his early form so let's confirm this more
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.”
John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.
John 5:18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).
@@TheBiblicalRoots now let's see what our Lord Jesus says about being the father
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 14:8-11 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.
Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
If Paul was a Jew he’d be under the law. He’s teaching lies. He literally says whether in pretense or in truth as long as Jesus is preached. So he’s fine with lying.
Hi Christo! Jesus said this about Paul: “This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel” (Acts 9:15). So to reject Paul is to reject Jesus, who sent him.
Shalom, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots Here’s the truth about Paul. Phillipians 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
So if he lies or tells the truth as long as Christ is preached he rejoices!
The same goes for Christianity today. Like the trinity. There’s NO COMMANDMENT to believe it and yet Christians will tell you daily if you don’t believe in the trinity you go to hell.
Are you forced
See the apostle Paul makes a big deal of his ministry as a matter of fact yes he claims to have the full council of God.... This is what rightly dividing is all about the gospel of the kingdom was promised to Israel... Not to us as believers in Jesus he goes and prepare a place that's the New Jerusalem.
Brother you do a great service in the way you put it together but I would have you to understand the millennium very important to know the end from the beginning then we could begin to understand the timeline what is proprietary to the church and also what is proprietary to the Israel of God so when you see the twelve tribes by bloodlines 144,000 they are actually Hebrews he brings them into the promised Land and that's 1,000 years fulfilling the promise made to them
Also I would like to say I definitely do not believe in the Hebrew Roots movement at all we would all be from the tribe of Judah if we had roots in them but our roots are in the Olive tree not the Vine
Amazingly enough this is why they always try to refuse the apostle Paul clearly defining the uniqueness of the Gospel of the grace of God not as opposed to but rather distinguishing from the gospel of the Kingdom on Earth that was included in the prayer that everybody thinks is The Lord's prayer but if you look at it Jesus said in this way you pray you see the Lord's prayer was really when he said father I pray that you make them one even as we're one that's the Lord's prayer and we as believers in Jesus are united with and again Jesus said that your love for them
I follow the law to the best of my ability, Jesus did it to perfection. I’ve learned that interpreting the scriptures usually creates more doubt than certainty. I consider myself a “fundamentalist” and as such I believe that quoting scripture should be done accurately. Romans 14 is being paraphrased here. Regarding food, Romans 14 gives two examples:
1. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything.
2. One person whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
The scripture speaks to those of the Christian faith, based on the law, it was not accepted to eat unclean animals, so “anything” obviously refers to meat and plant based food, since the opposite only eats vegetables.
I however do enjoy your content as knowing the scripture you believe in, is more important than “believing” scripture you don’t know.
Jesit did not do the law to perfection….
@@Pverb623 He did. That is one of the biggest points of the gospel.
@@ShitinWithNoBathroom
Ever since the second-century Church Fathers attributed the gospels to Matthew Mark, Luke and John, it has been popularly believed that, at the very least, two authors - Matthew and John - must have met Jesus. Many also believe that Mark wrote the gospel as memoirs from St Peter, a disciple of Jesus. All this begins to fall to pieces when we realize that the gospels were originally anonymous and that we have good reason to believe that none of the gospel authors ever met Jesus.
The strong consensus of New Testament scholars is that Mark’s Gospel was the first to be written and that Matthew’s Gospel was substantially based on that original gospel, including some 600 of Mark’s 666 verses, often in exactly the same words in the Greek language. Anyone asserting that the author of Matthew really was the disciple Matthew would need to explain why an eyewitness to the life and mission of Jesus would need to rely so heavily on someone else’s gospel. Similarly, many scholars believe that John’s Gospel was loosely based on Luke, which was in turn also based on Mark.
Even if Mark and Peter knew each other, this is irrelevant, as there is no reason to believe that Mark was the actual author of the gospel that now bears his name. The assumed association apparently comes from 1 Peter 5:13, in which Peter is portrayed as calling Mark “my son”. Pity though, that scholars believe First Peter is pseudepigraphical.
The gospels have no bearing on the Tanakh…Jewish scripture.
Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change?
Matthew 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mark 7:19
…since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
Here, in the first passage, we have Jesus-quite emphatically too-leaving no room for the Law to ever change… and then declaring all food clean, thus renouncing one of the Law’s most fundamental decrees.
How did Jesit perfect the law….if he was telling people not to follow it?
@@Pverb623 Jesus never told anyone not to follow the law. Matthew 5:18 captures the essence pretty good in that one verse.
Mark 7:19 however is whole different story, and I think you know it as well. The context is about UNWASHED HANDS, not about the food laws changing.
Mark 7:9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”
If any chapter in the gospels teaches to follow the law, Mark 7 is definitely one of them.
@@ShitinWithNoBathroom
Commandment 2
Exodus 20:3
No other before Me.
No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).
[ this verse goes against the second commandment]
4 commandment
Exodus 20:8
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
Deuteronomy 5:12
“Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you.
This commandment was only given to the Jews, yet Christianity does not follow the Sabbath. Can you tell me the laws of Sabbath, and were God commanded Moses in the Torah about those specific laws….? Christianity was never under the Law, so why did Jesit say he fulfilled them?
Exodus 31:16-17
The people of Israel must keep the Sabbath day by observing it from generation to generation. This is a covenant obligation for all time.
It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’”
What does Mark 7:19 mean? "Heart" is from the Greek root word kardia which refers to the source of physical and spiritual life. It is from the heart that we think, desire, and decide what we want. "Is expelled" is an overtly polite translation of a much longer Greek phrase: eis ton aphedrōna ekporeuetai. This literally means "is passed into the toilet." Without going into the details of digestion, Jesus is saying that physical food, with its clear trajectory through and out of the body, cannot cause a heart-our spiritual condition-to become defiled.
The latter half of this verse flummoxes scholars. Jesus clearly revokes the kosher dietary laws.
Jesit is renouncing one of the Law’s most fundamental decrees.
Christianity was never under the law, the law was given to the Jews….
Like Pesach, which had nothing to do with sin, yet Christianity says that Jesit being the lamb was to atone for everyone’s sins……yet you cannot prove by scripture, that it was about sin……
I’m no expert, I’m still very new and learning.
I think gods laws were given to Israel , gods people, you and me. Jews just happen to have been apart of Israel (the people)back then .
I guess we’re grafted into Israel but not grafted in to the commands God said for Israel to keep forever.
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Have you converted…?
Exodus 31:18 When the LORD finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.
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The Torah clearly defines that it is a covenant with God and the Jews, and that the New Covenant or “promise” is the same covenant as before, just this time all Jews will love the Torah, perform the commandments and never leave HaShem’s ways again.
"Grafted in?”
Let us start with the credibility of the theology of being “grafted in” that the NT implies or grants Christian’s as being apart of the covenant made eternally with the Israelites.
The olive tree metaphor is used in both the Tanakh and the New Testament, the specific theological application of being grafted in, as presented in the New Testament (Romans 11:17-24), is a distinctive concept introduced by the Apostle Paul.
In the Tanakh, the olive tree metaphor is used to symbolize Israel’s condition, sometimes in a positive sense of flourishing (Jeremiah 11:16) or negative sense of judgment (Hosea 14:5-6). However, the idea of Gentiles being grafted into the olive tree, as articulated in the New Testament, is a unique theological concept introduced to illustrate the inclusion of non-Jews into God’s covenant through faith in Jesus Christ.
In essence, the New Testament’s theological application of the olive tree metaphor introduces a novel concept not explicitly present in the Tanakh, making it distinctive and specific to Christian theology. Therefore, the theological emphasis on Gentiles being grafted into the olive tree is a unique development in the New Testament that is not a direct continuation of the Tanakh’s use of the olive tree metaphor.
Since this metaphor of the “olive tree” of the NT and it’s theology of being “grafted in” is not accurate, and does not connect to the Tanakh or Jewish theology, the authors credibility must be questioned as well.
Paul-Saul of Tarsus:
In Christian tradition, Saul of Tarsus is said to have been born in the city of Tarsus, located in modern-day Turkey. Initially identified as a Pharisee (Pharisee of Pharisees - Acts 23:6), Saul is depicted as actively persecuting followers of Jesus (1 Corinthians 15:9 & so on…). The turning point in his life, a dramatic conversion experience on the road to Damascus, is a pivotal event narrated in the New Testament's Book of Acts. This transformative incident involves Saul encountering a divine light and hearing the voice of Jesus, leading to his profound shift into becoming a devoted follower of Christ.
The absence of explicit references to Saul of Tarsus in Jewish texts, particularly the Tanakh, has prompted inquiries into his alleged association with Rabbi Gamaliel. Christian accounts posit Saul as a student of rabbi Gamaliel, a revered Pharisee and Sanhedrin member whose moderation is highlighted in the Book of Acts, where he counsels caution in dealing with the early Christian movement.
Notably, Jewish historical sources, including the Mishnah, Talmud, and Midrashim, lack any corroboration of Saul's association with Rabbi Gamaliel. This absence raises doubts about the historical accuracy of this aspect of Saul's narrative and questions the reliance on circular reasoning, given that the New Testament serves as the sole source for this storyline. Jewish texts predominantly focus on the teachings and legal deliberations of Rabbi Gamaliel, rather than detailing his purported interaction with the early Christian community. Additionally, the argument hinges on the claim that the validity of Paul's theological framework is dependent on his status as a Pharisee and Jew. If one questions the authenticity of his credentials, it introduces uncertainty about the theological concepts he introduced, forming a loop where the validity of his teachings is closely tied to his own claims. These considerations prompt a critical examination of the foundations of Pauline theology and its impact on the understanding of Gentile inclusion in God's covenant through the Torah.
Conversion or strategic framing?
While the New Testament posits that Paul was previously Saul of Tarsus, a closer examination reveals a nuanced narrative that lacks a substantiated link to Judaism. It's crucial to discern between a narrative connection and historical integrity. The strategic identification of Paul with Saul of Tarsus may serve a theological purpose, but when scrutinized against the backdrop of Jewish literature and the Tanakh, a palpable absence of connection emerges. This deliberate association in the New Testament appears to be more of a theological framing rather than a factual bridge to Judaism. Unraveling the layers reveals a narrative strategy that seeks to create a semblance of continuity, urging Christians to perceive a connection where historical evidence falls short.
Did Paul use Jewish theology in his writings?
There's a conspicuous lack of evidence supporting Paul's deep understanding of the Hebrew language. He rarely employed it, favoring Greek text, often misquoting and misusing it to weave his narrative and shape Christian theology.
While Paul accurately quoted Greek philosophers, playwrights, and poets, his citations from Jewish prophets were less precise, raising a theological dilemma. If Christians regard Paul's writings as divinely inspired, why would God draw from the works of godless Greek writers? Would God quote figures like Voltaire or Russell?
Paul referenced Plato in I Cor. 13:12, Greek poets Epimenides of Crete and Aratus of Cilicia in Acts 17:28, and comedy playwright Menander in I Cor. 15:33. In the latter, he cited a playwright known for using vulgarities, prompting the question: would God quote from a playwright who frequently employed offensive language?
In Galatians, Paul addressed an illiterate, non-Jewish audience, introducing a contrived teaching about the Abrahamic Covenant that portrays gentile Christians as children of Abraham (Galatians 1:1-6:18). This agenda, evident in Galatians 4:22-31, transforms the descendants of Sarah into a metaphor for those free from the curse of the Law, and casting the descendants of Hagar as representing Jews bound by the Law. This raises questions about the existence of a "curse" attached to the Law in the Tanakh, lacking support in verses like Deut. 28:15, 45, and Jeremiah 11:3-5.
Despite claiming to be the "Pharisee of Pharisees," Paul consistently misquotes Jewish scriptures, leading to inconsistencies in his understanding of the Hebrew language, theological concepts, and the contextual nuances of Hebrew Scriptures.This leads to the conclusion that Paul may not have been who he claimed to be, carrying profound implications for doctrines like “Pauline grafting.” The Christian argument appears to simplify the situation into a false dichotomy: either Paul is a Pharisee and Jew, validating his teachings, or he is not, rendering his writings entirely false. Given the evidence that Paul wasn’t who he claimed to be, it follows that his writings lack credibility, affirming that his theology is disconnected from the Tanakh and Judaism..
Converts: How does one become apart of HaShem’s covenant with Israel?
The Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) contains several verses that emphasize the acceptance of foreigners (converts) or non-Israelites into the community, often with the expectation of following Israel's religious practices and laws. While the term "convert" may not be used in the same way as in modern Judaism, these verses illustrate the acceptance of outsiders who wish to become part of the community. Here are a few relevant verses:
• Exodus 12:48-49: "A foreigner (convert) residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. The same law applies to both the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you."
• Leviticus 19:34: "The foreigner (convert) residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."
• Numbers 15:15: "The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner (convert) residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the Lord."
• Isaiah 56:3-7: “Let no foreigner who is bound to the Lord say, ‘The Lord will surely exclude me from his people.’ … for my (convert) house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
• Ruth 1:16: “But Ruth replied, ‘Don’t urge me to leave you or to turn back from you. Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God.’”
• Ezekiel 47:22-23: “You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners (convert) residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you, they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.”
These verses highlight the inclusive nature of Israelite society, where foreigners (converts) who embraced the faith and practices of the Israelites were not to be excluded but were to be treated as equals, participating in the religious and social life of the community.
These verses emphasize the inclusion of foreigners (converts) or non-Israelites into the community if they adhere to certain religious and ceremonial practices, such as circumcision and following religious festivals and laws. While the Tanakh does not use the term "convert" as it's understood in modern Judaism, these verses show the willingness to welcome those from other backgrounds who choose to adopt Israelite practices and become part of the community.
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The Torah clearly defines that it is a covenant with God and the Jews, and that the New Covenant or “promise” is the same covenant as before, just this time all Jews will love the Torah, perform the commandments and never leave HaShem’s ways again.
"Grafted in?”
Let us start with the credibility of the theology of being “grafted in” that the NT implies or grants Christian’s as being apart of the covenant made eternally with the Israelites.
The olive tree metaphor is used in both the Tanakh and the New Testament, the specific theological application of being grafted in, as presented in the New Testament (Romans 11:17-24), is a distinctive concept introduced by the Apostle Paul.
In the Tanakh, the olive tree metaphor is used to symbolize Israel’s condition, sometimes in a positive sense of flourishing (Jeremiah 11:16) or negative sense of judgment (Hosea 14:5-6). However, the idea of Gentiles being grafted into the olive tree, as articulated in the New Testament, is a unique theological concept introduced to illustrate the inclusion of non-Jews into God’s covenant through faith in Jesus Christ.
In essence, the New Testament’s theological application of the olive tree metaphor introduces a novel concept not explicitly present in the Tanakh, making it distinctive and specific to Christian theology. Therefore, the theological emphasis on Gentiles being grafted into the olive tree is a unique development in the New Testament that is not a direct continuation of the Tanakh’s use of the olive tree metaphor.
Since this metaphor of the “olive tree” of the NT and it’s theology of being “grafted in” is not accurate, and does not connect to the Tanakh or Jewish theology, the authors credibility must be questioned as well.
Paul-Saul of Tarsus:
In Christian tradition, Saul of Tarsus is said to have been born in the city of Tarsus, located in modern-day Turkey. Initially identified as a Pharisee (Pharisee of Pharisees - Acts 23:6), Saul is depicted as actively persecuting followers of Jesus (1 Corinthians 15:9 & so on…). The turning point in his life, a dramatic conversion experience on the road to Damascus, is a pivotal event narrated in the New Testament's Book of Acts. This transformative incident involves Saul encountering a divine light and hearing the voice of Jesus, leading to his profound shift into becoming a devoted follower of Christ.
The absence of explicit references to Saul of Tarsus in Jewish texts, particularly the Tanakh, has prompted inquiries into his alleged association with Rabbi Gamaliel. Christian accounts posit Saul as a student of rabbi Gamaliel, a revered Pharisee and Sanhedrin member whose moderation is highlighted in the Book of Acts, where he counsels caution in dealing with the early Christian movement.
Notably, Jewish historical sources, including the Mishnah, Talmud, and Midrashim, lack any corroboration of Saul's association with Rabbi Gamaliel. This absence raises doubts about the historical accuracy of this aspect of Saul's narrative and questions the reliance on circular reasoning, given that the New Testament serves as the sole source for this storyline. Jewish texts predominantly focus on the teachings and legal deliberations of Rabbi Gamaliel, rather than detailing his purported interaction with the early Christian community. Additionally, the argument hinges on the claim that the validity of Paul's theological framework is dependent on his status as a Pharisee and Jew. If one questions the authenticity of his credentials, it introduces uncertainty about the theological concepts he introduced, forming a loop where the validity of his teachings is closely tied to his own claims. These considerations prompt a critical examination of the foundations of Pauline theology and its impact on the understanding of Gentile inclusion in God's covenant through the Torah.
Conversion or strategic framing?
While the New Testament posits that Paul was previously Saul of Tarsus, a closer examination reveals a nuanced narrative that lacks a substantiated link to Judaism. It's crucial to discern between a narrative connection and historical integrity. The strategic identification of Paul with Saul of Tarsus may serve a theological purpose, but when scrutinized against the backdrop of Jewish literature and the Tanakh, a palpable absence of connection emerges. This deliberate association in the New Testament appears to be more of a theological framing rather than a factual bridge to Judaism. Unraveling the layers reveals a narrative strategy that seeks to create a semblance of continuity, urging Christians to perceive a connection where historical evidence falls short.
Did Paul use Jewish theology in his writings?
There's a conspicuous lack of evidence supporting Paul's deep understanding of the Hebrew language. He rarely employed it, favoring Greek text, often misquoting and misusing it to weave his narrative and shape Christian theology.
While Paul accurately quoted Greek philosophers, playwrights, and poets, his citations from Jewish prophets were less precise, raising a theological dilemma. If Christians regard Paul's writings as divinely inspired, why would God draw from the works of godless Greek writers? Would God quote figures like Voltaire or Russell?
Paul referenced Plato in I Cor. 13:12, Greek poets Epimenides of Crete and Aratus of Cilicia in Acts 17:28, and comedy playwright Menander in I Cor. 15:33. In the latter, he cited a playwright known for using vulgarities, prompting the question: would God quote from a playwright who frequently employed offensive language?
In Galatians, Paul addressed an illiterate, non-Jewish audience, introducing a contrived teaching about the Abrahamic Covenant that portrays gentile Christians as children of Abraham (Galatians 1:1-6:18). This agenda, evident in Galatians 4:22-31, transforms the descendants of Sarah into a metaphor for those free from the curse of the Law, and casting the descendants of Hagar as representing Jews bound by the Law. This raises questions about the existence of a "curse" attached to the Law in the Tanakh, lacking support in verses like Deut. 28:15, 45, and Jeremiah 11:3-5.
Despite claiming to be the "Pharisee of Pharisees," Paul consistently misquotes Jewish scriptures, leading to inconsistencies in his understanding of the Hebrew language, theological concepts, and the contextual nuances of Hebrew Scriptures.This leads to the conclusion that Paul may not have been who he claimed to be, carrying profound implications for doctrines like “Pauline grafting.” The Christian argument appears to simplify the situation into a false dichotomy: either Paul is a Pharisee and Jew, validating his teachings, or he is not, rendering his writings entirely false. Given the evidence that Paul wasn’t who he claimed to be, it follows that his writings lack credibility, affirming that his theology is disconnected from the Tanakh and Judaism..
Converts: How does one become apart of HaShem’s covenant with Israel?
The Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) contains several verses that emphasize the acceptance of foreigners (converts) or non-Israelites into the community, often with the expectation of following Israel's religious practices and laws. While the term "convert" may not be used in the same way as in modern Judaism, these verses illustrate the acceptance of outsiders who wish to become part of the community. Here are a few relevant verses:
• Exodus 12:48-49: "A foreigner (convert) residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. The same law applies to both the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you."
• Leviticus 19:34: "The foreigner (convert) residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."
• Numbers 15:15: "The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner (convert) residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the Lord."
• Isaiah 56:3-7: “Let no foreigner who is bound to the Lord say, ‘The Lord will surely exclude me from his people.’ … for my (convert) house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
• Ruth 1:16: “But Ruth replied, ‘Don’t urge me to leave you or to turn back from you. Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God.’”
• Ezekiel 47:22-23: “You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners (convert) residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you, they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.”
These verses highlight the inclusive nature of Israelite society, where foreigners (converts) who embraced the faith and practices of the Israelites were not to be excluded but were to be treated as equals, participating in the religious and social life of the community.
These verses emphasize the inclusion of foreigners (converts) or non-Israelites into the community if they adhere to certain religious and ceremonial practices, such as circumcision and following religious festivals and laws. While the Tanakh does not use the term "convert" as it's understood in modern Judaism, these verses show the willingness to welcome those from other backgrounds who choose to adopt Israelite practices and become part of the community.
Disciple in Hebrew and Greek means imitator, if the disciples imitated Messiah why do you think you don’t? I don’t know how you became a professor, because if you Colossians, and pay attention in verse 4, 8, 14, 20-22 it tells you exactly what ordinances that it’s speaking of, man-made…….