I was able to take this lag technique to the court today and the results were excellent! It was not a major adjustment for me as I was partially using the shoulder already. I switched to generating 100% of the lag from the shoulder as described in the video and my forehand improved instantly. Thank you Stephen for this wonderful insight.( I also had great success with the serve tip where you were using the glass wall of the padel court to demonstrate!) Your tennis video instruction is the best I've found.
Hello. I have tried it since seeing it in your other video. There is definitely better lag, however since trying it I started developing pain in the fold of my elbow. To be more accurate it started irritating my median nerve where I am having arm issue. Any advice? How my force must be used when you rotate the elbow upward to start the motion? Can you explain that in more detail in another video and go closer with camera and slow that down a bit more in your explanation? I think its a fantastic technique but my injury has been stopping me doing it. Thanks for all the videos
External rotation loads your arm (around the axis of your shoulder joint) and what's loaded has to unloaded isn't it? That's when internal rotation happens... Vertical loading and unloading - legs Rotation loading and unloading- upper body Arm rotational loading and unloading- hitting arm Wrist flexion and extension - wrist String elastic loading and unloading - racket (Finally!) Compression and expansion -Ball
Takes a lot a of practice time and body positioning to obtain the timing right for the ideal ball-racket contact point. You’ll start spraying balls all over the court until you become consistent; be patient but determined.
Steve, I don't exactly do this and I'm sure the pros do it this way. As the racket drops to the pat the dog slot position, the body then initiates the forward swing. The arm and then elbow is driven forward. At his point, the racket doesn't rotate back because you turned your wrist as your demonstration shows but flips or spins around on its center of mass because the wrist is so loose.
This isn't making sense to me. When you supinate the forearm, the natural accompanying motion in the shoulder is external rotation, not internal. If you're just saying that focusing on external shoulder rotation to place the racquet back isn't good, then okay, but a statement like "the lag is a byproduct of internal shoulder rotation" leaves me with a very puzzled look.
Don’t get bogged down in fine details. Just take the racket, do your unit turn, then as you lower the hand holding onto the racket turn your elbow clockwise which will cause the racket to move toward back fence, at same time it will create a stretch in your right pectoralis muscle and that will cause the shoulder to move into its correct alignment. The more things you think about simultaneously the harder it will be to perform the action. So try that and see how it goes. Good luck!
I don't have any trouble understanding the idea of what needs to happen, just thought it was described in an incorrect manner, which could produce a problem for some@@topspin1715
Yeah i agree as well. An internal shoulder rotation cannot directly create thr lag. It can help with setting the stage for the lag as it will help to getting into the pat the dog position that some pros get into. But to me it seems that the External rotation will directly create the lag. Perhaps he meant this.
@@sidchugh8371 Only issue is someone might force the racket lag position which would result in a swing from a static position and negate any benefit for added power since lag creates a stretch-shortening cycle of the muscle which translate to faster racket head speed, that will be lost if one forces the lag position prior to swinging forward.
I agree that this is a bit confusing as Stephen demonstrates external shoulder rotation to lag the racquet but calls it internal shoulder rotation in the video. What I think he is meaning is don't initiate the racquet lag from the elbow alone or by just extending the arm backwards but initiate it from the shoulder, which would necessitate external rotation of the shoulder.
You're not going to be thinking these things while actually playing. The point is to do this deliberatively during practice so that when you play, you can do the right thing without thinking. It will just feel right. But you have to know the feel in the first place to find it under pressure.
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I was able to take this lag technique to the court today and the results were excellent! It was not a major adjustment for me as I was partially using the shoulder already. I switched to generating 100% of the lag from the shoulder as described in the video and my forehand improved instantly. Thank you Stephen for this wonderful insight.( I also had great success with the serve tip where you were using the glass wall of the padel court to demonstrate!) Your tennis video instruction is the best I've found.
This was great - I've been up and down with my forehand and this immediately fixed it. Thanks Steve!
Glad your enjoying the channel.
Do you have any other tennis issues that I could help with? If so let me know
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Surely as you move your elbow in and supinate you have external shoulder rotation.
Genius at work. 🙏
Impressive results Steve, thank you.
Hello. I have tried it since seeing it in your other video. There is definitely better lag, however since trying it I started developing pain in the fold of my elbow. To be more accurate it started irritating my median nerve where I am having arm issue. Any advice? How my force must be used when you rotate the elbow upward to start the motion? Can you explain that in more detail in another video and go closer with camera and slow that down a bit more in your explanation? I think its a fantastic technique but my injury has been stopping me doing it. Thanks for all the videos
Great tutoring…can u also show how to do the racket lag using a double backhand stroke
External rotation loads your arm (around the axis of your shoulder joint) and what's loaded has to unloaded isn't it?
That's when internal rotation happens...
Vertical loading and unloading - legs
Rotation loading and unloading- upper body
Arm rotational loading and unloading- hitting arm
Wrist flexion and extension - wrist
String elastic loading and unloading - racket
(Finally!) Compression and expansion -Ball
Great coaching
Perfect and very useful !!!
Thank you. I apply this ontoday tournament, it really help me rally, could you make another video for wrist lag in one handed backhand.
Can we use our elbow for this? Using the same principle.
This takes 1000s of hits before you get it right, practice before using it in tournaments is my sincere suggestion
Takes a lot a of practice time and body positioning to obtain the timing right for the ideal ball-racket contact point. You’ll start spraying balls all over the court until you become consistent; be patient but determined.
First. And wonderful clear explanation. Thanks coach
Steve, I don't exactly do this and I'm sure the pros do it this way. As the racket drops to the pat the dog slot position, the body then initiates the forward swing. The arm and then elbow is driven forward. At his point, the racket doesn't rotate back because you turned your wrist as your demonstration shows but flips or spins around on its center of mass because the wrist is so loose.
when do you lag ? how far back?
Also works for Pickleball
skip the stone >> still the best way to describe this in pictures
Hi Steve, Maybe I feel better focusing on forearm than elbow.
This isn't making sense to me. When you supinate the forearm, the natural accompanying motion in the shoulder is external rotation, not internal. If you're just saying that focusing on external shoulder rotation to place the racquet back isn't good, then okay, but a statement like "the lag is a byproduct of internal shoulder rotation" leaves me with a very puzzled look.
Don’t get bogged down in fine details. Just take the racket, do your unit turn, then as you lower the hand holding onto the racket turn your elbow clockwise which will cause the racket to move toward back fence, at same time it will create a stretch in your right pectoralis muscle and that will cause the shoulder to move into its correct alignment. The more things you think about simultaneously the harder it will be to perform the action. So try that and see how it goes. Good luck!
I don't have any trouble understanding the idea of what needs to happen, just thought it was described in an incorrect manner, which could produce a problem for some@@topspin1715
Yeah i agree as well. An internal shoulder rotation cannot directly create thr lag. It can help with setting the stage for the lag as it will help to getting into the pat the dog position that some pros get into. But to me it seems that the External rotation will directly create the lag. Perhaps he meant this.
@@sidchugh8371 Only issue is someone might force the racket lag position which would result in a swing from a static position and negate any benefit for added power since lag creates a stretch-shortening cycle of the muscle which translate to faster racket head speed, that will be lost if one forces the lag position prior to swinging forward.
I agree that this is a bit confusing as Stephen demonstrates external shoulder rotation to lag the racquet but calls it internal shoulder rotation in the video. What I think he is meaning is don't initiate the racquet lag from the elbow alone or by just extending the arm backwards but initiate it from the shoulder, which would necessitate external rotation of the shoulder.
Keep wrist extended back
I don't think recreational players can even hit the ball thinking these things, elbows shoulder arm etc etc.
You're not going to be thinking these things while actually playing. The point is to do this deliberatively during practice so that when you play, you can do the right thing without thinking. It will just feel right. But you have to know the feel in the first place to find it under pressure.
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