Any ball spin is due to magnus effect. The problem is the direction. Topspin forehand has magnus effect and gravity to pull the ball downward. If you spin it horizontally, only gravity will pull it down. It may cause the ball to be more controllable in the same way like slice serve is safer than flat serve. But the explanation about magnus effect causing the ball to dip seems a bit off. Please elaborate further if my understanding is incorrect
Magnus effect is involved in ANY spinning ball, topspin, or slice. In this case its a sidespin, and the ball will curve ro the right on forhand or to the left on backhand.
... that's how the Brits landed the Corsair on carriers in WW2 ... needed this technique to overcome the excessive engine torque that caused wing dip with straight on landing
I join two commentators who asked a question about the Magnus effect. How does side spin translate into top spin? If it is possible to explain this in more detail, please do so.
Hi. Thanks for the question. May I ask. What part of the article that I wrote and sent a suggested link to did not answer your question? Please be more specific if I have not answered your question in this article. It's great that your enjoying the site. www.oneminutetennis.com
@oneminutetennis Unfortunately, I didn't get more information in the description than in the video itself. Except for one clarification that the plane is affected by a side wind. But how is the body of the plane deflected at 45°: vertically? horizontally? tail up or down? Or are only the wings tilted? Sorry, I didn’t have to see a plane landing in the wind)) But most importantly, I don’t understand how the "side spin" of the plane turns into a "top spin"? (3.38-3.41) The same and more than most important question about the ball. The Magnus effect of sidespin pulls the ball to the right or to the left. When it's top spin, then it pulls the ball down. But how the side spin DOES CONVERT into top spin(video ~4.25)? Wikipedia didn't answer me either. Thanks in advance
@@maxiv8744I too have the same question as @maxiv8744. Maybe due to our limited physics knowledge and understanding of the Magnus effect. Will be great if you can elaborate more about how side spin will be converted to top spin. Thank you.
I have no problems with high balls using a flat stroke with the Continental grip ! In fact I demolish the ball …. landing deep and making it difficult for my opponent. Because of the pace of the ball,, the opponent usually ends up with a poorly executed lob back . The lag of my stroke is not your normal sense of the but includes { the left arm elbow, the left and right shoulders, the right upper arm, elbow wrist and racquet face } ! Push the racquet face completely back behind you and pull the left elbow inward towards your body !! Then let go of the right arm fully . The swing and flight path of the racquet after it strikes the ball is horizontal !!
I get that the Magus effect explains how topspin drives the ball down, since the ball has two forces acting in the same direction... gravity and the downward pressure via spin. I don't see how sidespin could cause a drop faster than raw topspin. Sidespin is going to cause the Magnus force to act sideways. Same effect in baseball's slider. Maybe you are saying that the body can generate more spin from a chest-pull across the body at 45 degrees when compared to a normal low-to-high lift motion. If 50% more spin can be generated this way, then the downward force would indeed be greater even though the spin is somewhat angled. Am I understanding?
The advice I got from a doubles partner was to approach this shot like I was using my arm to sweep books off a high shelf from right to left. I was never sure where my strings and racquet would face. Still not sure after seeing this video. Steve, do my strings face the net?
How does it work? Air pressure builds on the two front sides of the ball (the one facing side fence and the one facing the far fence. Air pressure decreases on the other two sides. This causes the spin to change to topspin and the ball to plunge. No? -- John Escher
Thanks Coach. For magnus effect to work.. whats the minimun space in the court?. Should we be at base line or is it possibe to hit from within service box also? How this tip relates to your video on finding your range on hitting high forehand.. starting real close to the net and moving back to service line?
Thank you so much for this most excellent video. I was wondering how this would apply for balls on the backhand side for a two -handed backhand. Let's say that I'm a right-handed person so my back hand would be starting from my left side Would I attempt to swing from left to right in the same way as the forehand? Thank you!
Does this not lead to a thin contact? I struggle with high forehand hitting enough of the ball, hitting across for me feels like I'm skiffing the ball with no penetration through court
Yes. Federer and delpotro used this swing path with their eastern forehand grip. Glad your enjoying the channel Please let me know how it goes? www.oneminutetennis.com
If I may respectfully add a slight difference of opinion to this. You can hit the high ball flat you just have to be slightly under the ball and have a downward finish instead of linear. Just my humble opinion, I appreciate and respect all your videos.
Any ball spin is due to magnus effect. The problem is the direction. Topspin forehand has magnus effect and gravity to pull the ball downward. If you spin it horizontally, only gravity will pull it down.
It may cause the ball to be more controllable in the same way like slice serve is safer than flat serve. But the explanation about magnus effect causing the ball to dip seems a bit off.
Please elaborate further if my understanding is incorrect
Magnus effect is involved in ANY spinning ball, topspin, or slice. In this case its a sidespin, and the ball will curve ro the right on forhand or to the left on backhand.
yes thank you and if he did this better, he would be using CTM Diagonal topspin instead of sidespin.
Tried this today and saw the ball drop like a stone - thank you!
You are a genius Steve. Every video is a masterpiece. I wish I had known you 40 years ago 😊
Tennis witchcraft... this is amazing. I miss so many of these that I will now CRUSH
Awesome to make the written lessons for free. You are amazing. Thank you
This is the lesson I've been waiting for. Thanks Coach!
Thank you sir. Will definitely give it a try.
... that's how the Brits landed the Corsair on carriers in WW2 ... needed this technique to overcome the excessive engine torque that caused wing dip with straight on landing
That's really interesting. Thank you so much
Great Lessing hope I’ can put it in to practice. Thank’s Peter
Great video and analysis! Thanks.
Really great. Thank you. This is awesome information
Very very good. Thank you coach
I join two commentators who asked a question about the Magnus effect. How does side spin translate into top spin? If it is possible to explain this in more detail, please do so.
Hi. Thanks for the question.
May I ask.
What part of the article that I wrote and sent a suggested link to did not answer your question?
Please be more specific if I have not answered your question in this article.
It's great that your enjoying the site.
www.oneminutetennis.com
@oneminutetennis Unfortunately, I didn't get more information in the description than in the video itself. Except for one clarification that the plane is affected by a side wind. But how is the body of the plane deflected at 45°: vertically? horizontally? tail up or down? Or are only the wings tilted? Sorry, I didn’t have to see a plane landing in the wind)) But most importantly, I don’t understand how the "side spin" of the plane turns into a "top spin"? (3.38-3.41) The same and more than most important question about the ball. The Magnus effect of sidespin pulls the ball to the right or to the left. When it's top spin, then it pulls the ball down. But how the side spin DOES CONVERT into top spin(video ~4.25)? Wikipedia didn't answer me either. Thanks in advance
@@maxiv8744I too have the same question as @maxiv8744. Maybe due to our limited physics knowledge and understanding of the Magnus effect. Will be great if you can elaborate more about how side spin will be converted to top spin. Thank you.
Excellent video!
I have no problems with high balls using a flat stroke with the Continental grip ! In fact I demolish the ball …. landing deep and making it difficult for my opponent. Because of the pace of the ball,, the opponent usually ends up with a poorly executed lob back . The lag of my stroke is not your normal sense of the but includes { the left arm elbow, the left and right shoulders, the right upper arm, elbow wrist and racquet face } ! Push the racquet face completely back behind you and pull the left elbow inward towards your body !! Then let go of the right arm fully . The swing and flight path of the racquet after it strikes the ball is horizontal !!
Very interesting, never heard before...
I get that the Magus effect explains how topspin drives the ball down, since the ball has two forces acting in the same direction... gravity and the downward pressure via spin. I don't see how sidespin could cause a drop faster than raw topspin. Sidespin is going to cause the Magnus force to act sideways. Same effect in baseball's slider. Maybe you are saying that the body can generate more spin from a chest-pull across the body at 45 degrees when compared to a normal low-to-high lift motion. If 50% more spin can be generated this way, then the downward force would indeed be greater even though the spin is somewhat angled. Am I understanding?
The advice I got from a doubles partner was to approach this shot like I was using my arm to sweep books off a high shelf from right to left. I was never sure where my strings and racquet would face. Still not sure after seeing this video. Steve, do my strings face the net?
How does it work? Air pressure builds on the two front sides of the ball (the one facing side fence and the one facing the far fence. Air pressure decreases on the other two sides. This causes the spin to change to topspin and the ball to plunge. No? -- John Escher
Thanks Coach. For magnus effect to work.. whats the minimun space in the court?. Should we be at base line or is it possibe to hit from within service box also?
How this tip relates to your video on finding your range on hitting high forehand.. starting real close to the net and moving back to service line?
Thank you so much for this most excellent video. I was wondering how this would apply for balls on the backhand side for a two -handed backhand. Let's say that I'm a right-handed person so my back hand would be starting from my left side Would I attempt to swing from left to right in the same way as the forehand? Thank you!
Yes, like you are hitting a left-handed forehand
Wow - been waiting for this
Does this not lead to a thin contact? I struggle with high forehand hitting enough of the ball, hitting across for me feels like I'm skiffing the ball with no penetration through court
Very helpful. Thank you
Start from 4.46, if you want to avoid theory on airplanes and physics and get directly to the tennis technique of hitting high balls.
Does eastern forehand grip works for this stroke? Or should we go on more extreme grip?
Yes. Federer and delpotro used this swing path with their eastern forehand grip. Glad your enjoying the channel
Please let me know how it goes?
www.oneminutetennis.com
Fantastic!
I would like to see clips of pros doing this for demonstration purposes.
Genius. I call it
Science at work!
If I may respectfully add a slight difference of opinion to this. You can hit the high ball flat you just have to be slightly under the ball and have a downward finish instead of linear. Just my humble opinion, I appreciate and respect all your videos.
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