Once had an Oasis picture book when I was a kid in the 90's; one quote from NG that sticks out was - "You pick up your guitar, rip a few people's tunes off, swap them round a bit, get your brother in the band, punch his head in every now and then and it sells." There you go...
I was a fan of Oasis back in the day, but seriously, I don't see why Noel can't cough up a few grand and the writing credits, after all, he's loaded, and probably will be for the rest of his life.
Ripping off the Beatles or Stevie Wonder is one thing. No one really gets hurt. But repeatedly ripping off people who helped you getting started? That takes a special kind of bastard. Classic case of biting the hand that feeds.
@@exmagnolia then taking the Real people off all guest lists and supporting slots where they could have got more exposure and earnt a good few quid , he’s an arrogant prick doing that .
Man, I always felt that Columbia was a total different kettle of fish from the other songs on Def-Maybe and now I know why. Especially listening to the Real People. Its totally their 1991 album vibe.
They lost a lot of their punky sound when Tony was sacked. I preferred him on drums. I’ve read his book and it’s great. He didn’t trash Noel or anything like that. Which he could quite easily have done. Shows what a good bloke he is. The truth is a very good and apt title for his book as well.
Shows what a shithouse he is more like. He allowed the last member to join to kick him out of his own band, rolled over and accepted it without even attempting to stand up for himself. Without Noel, Tony McCarrol would never be heard of and would never have played on an iconic album like 'Definitely Maybe'. Is Noel supposed to apologise to Tony for his inability to hold a steady beat as a drummer and lack creativity and timing? If he was a credible talented drummer he wouldn't have been sacked in the first place.
Never heard of The Real People and just started listening to them -- wow! Real shame these guys never broke in the same way as Oasis. Even a band like James broke bigger than these guys.
Noel admitted he steals riffs and segments of other people’s music in his songs it isn’t a secret. But Columbia and the real people is kinda shady. And the whole band bullied tony I felt really bad for him.
Judging by stories like "Rolexes to the band, Rolls-Royce to Noel" it really feels like McGee has convinced Noel that he is Oasis by himself, even though they already had the sound - which they've lost when the original members left. Liam's contribution is also utterly underrated. Noel has created this image that he's a genius songwriter, but without his brother's delivery I don't think any of his songs would have been noticed. In the meantime whatever Liam sings, the tune sounds like Oasis, whether it's written by Death in Vegas or even Bob Marley. I'm also certain that Liam could have become a great songwriter with some encouragement in the early 90s and the band could have become a relatively successful indie band. On the other hand, I don't see Noel's career ever taking off without the sound, attitude and voice of Oasis.
Noel freely admits in recent interviews that he would never have got anywhere without Liam. High flying birds music is superior to Oasis in my opinion. No Liam there.
I don't really think Noel after Oasis ever pursued thesame style as Oasis. Just listen to His High flying birds sound. It's completely different than the iconic Liam style. Maybe just maybe he is just doing what he likes for his own music.
Like what the Real People said, Liam was already a Star , everywhere they went people couldn’t take there eyes off him, then his voice was amazing, never has a single man got every teenager or lad in there 20s in the country to get there hair & clothes to imitate his image , it was like what James Dean did to affect the male youth of America in the 50s, every lad wanted to be Liam not Noel .
Fascinating.. Like others I’m a huge fan and wasn’t aware of this… great job again. Despite Noel being my all time hero, I’ve always been aware he has a dark side and he’s had his moments like this.. (Also always hated the unnecessary verbal put down against an unwell Michael Hutchence at 96 Brits)
Noel Gallagher is one of the most sued artists of all time. There are lots of compilation's of songs and ideas he's copied/stolen on UA-cam. they're well worth checking out.
He has such a great sense of humour he could’ve been a famous comedian, and he is a great songwriter on top of that. But he has lost the plot a good number of times. The hutchence thing took me back too He has lifted ideas and melodies. But that’s what makes oasis so special. Nothing good is original anyways and he knows that. Oasis is special cause they had personality and it’s all that will ever matter Shoplifters of the world unite and take over
@@markythompson Noels a magpie everyone knows that. To say he is one the most sued artists is wrong cause it isn’t true. Everyone be doing what he does if it was that easy. These lads the real people helped them at the start. It’s like messi dad probaly thought him how to kick a ball. Messi did the rest. Oasis had Liam a phenomenal front man and for the first 3 albums singer too
The more i read/hear about Liam,i like him more.The more i read/hear about noel,i like him less.I can’t remember the last time i heard something good about him tnh
I used to think this too but then I learned about what a great husband and dad Noel has been, in sharp contrast to Liam who pretty shamelessly neglects his kids and publicly cheated on wives 1 and 2
To be honest I think that Noel always had this hunger of becoming a rockstar no matter what, and without that oasis would've never reached that level of fame and success. I think he was an incredible strategist. He knew that it was not going to be easy, but he also knew how to play his cards and did it great (althought that consisted on wearing masks and blend in with all kind of people , use'em and get away with it). I think that somehow , all that he did was necesary and perfect , and if you think it wasn't , Oasis music is the result of that and it speaks for itself
Your comment implies (in fact, blatantly states) that if you are hungry for success and you indeed find that success, that the ends justifies the means and all criticism is invalid. To qualify that with "the music speaks for itself" is not only an empty sentiment, it ignores the many MANY instances where Noel plagiarized other artists to find that success. ua-cam.com/video/QO5X2_2_7PA/v-deo.html It's one thing for the opening riff for C&A to sound a bit like T Rex, for the piano on DLBIA to sound very similar to Imagine, for Columbia to have the same chord progression as a techno number and WTSMG to have "tomorrow never knows" in its lyrics (which even those combined is kind of embarrassing) but to patently steal from The Real People and Stevie Wonder and excuse that as "success by any means necessary" tells me that your love of Oasis' music, which I like as well, has you shutting your eyes and ears to anything unethical. If every song was as original and iconic as Live Forever, Bring It On Down, Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova, they'd probably be the best band of the nineties. But there's too much that's questionable and blatantly stolen to ignore.
I am almost where your are, but taking a sole writing credit for a song he hardly even contributed to is as close to criminal. I wonder if they played Columbia live, much?
i mean even if we are to accept the notion that being ruthless in pursuit of social/financial success at the expense of personal relationships is acceptable, thats still bollocks, frankly. we're talking about co-writing credits for THREE songs, none of which was a hit single or even particularly famous, and one of which was a fucking b-side. its not a big deal. i assume the case is that unlike just stealing a famous riff or a melody here and there and adapting them for your own song without formally crediting the source, which is fine, the real people stuff was just blatantly noel pretending something someone else had done was completely his, and his obsessively not acknowledging the real people is just guilt about that (which, again, is just absurd considering if you asked 100 people in the street to name ten noel gallagher songs off the top of their head youd be lucky to get one person naming columbia, rockin chair or dont go away).
Thanks James, this was fascinating, and sadly unsurprising. I was given Tony McCarroll’s book as a present a few years back and have never got around to reading it. That is about to change! Thanks again
im so glad to hear people are talking about this again, I've been good mates with Tony and Chris for many many years, was a member of the band for a few years and spent a good few years in there studio with them helping them record a great many records with so many different artists and all that time "that cheque was on the wall the whole time". they are without a doubt the most prolific and melodically wonderful songwriters, ive heard those Reels many many times its so overwhelmingly obvious, and to be fair when the first oasis record came we all knew those songs were Realies songs its so obvious, made ever harder when knowing all the parties involved . it certainly was a shitty thing to do. Noel always seems to be a fair and although highly disagreeable he's usually jovial and fun to be around most of the time but damn would I love to see his face if Tony and Chris walked in the room, I think they are owed a sit down and a hatchet burying as one thing I know about the Griffiths brothers is they are Honest to a fault and no matter how hard they try they can't hold a grudge they are far to big hearted for that. Lets hope one day it happens
Was chatting to Chris and Tony on Mattew St Liverpool on sunday night...they are top blokes always have time for a chat and they are brilliant musicians.
Met the real people in a pub in liverpool good few yrs bk..... were very freindly & bought them a pint!! Hadnt a lot to say about Noel & knew straight away they had no time for him!! But they did talk about liam & said he was sound
Excellent video. It's very difficult to discuss an event from the past without your own personal take on things and your own judgement, but this was very well presented and researched and it offered a great insight into how things were at the time. Thank you for your work
Sad to hear this. I always loved Noel, but if he has no sense of honesty, integrity or generosity, then I genuinely feel sad for him. His talent is not in doubt. His character and decency is what's in doubt.
Part of the appeal of Oasis when they first burst on the scene was that they all behaved exactly like a bunch of scallywags, exactly the type of people who'd steal something and pass it off as their own, step over people to achieve stardom, which is why the middle class did and still do despise Oasis. Noel has been open about stealing riffs just as he was open about getting done for shoplifting. Now we have all this handwringing about his lack of decency when he never pretended to be anything other than who he is.
A brilliant video, James and a maybe a bit of restorative justice too. I really liked the bit at the end where you acknowledge that we’re all a mix of qualities and no one’s conscience is quite clear. Two things struck me, thinking it over. One was the remark you quoted near the beginning about perceived differences between Liverpool and Manchester band cultures. It’s definitely the case I think that particular places, cities say, foreground certain values at the expense of others. Some places will feel to a majority of people kinder, or more dangerous, or more fun-loving or creative than others. This has a strong bearing on how we all learn to present ourselves. On top of that there are institutions and times. It might be very important to be ‘hard’ in a cell block, but not in a refuge for victims of domestic violence. And the lad culture of the 90s has now in many peoples’ minds started to go the way of flared jeans and flat caps. So in some cultures it might be easier than in others to get away with being a bit ruthless. The second thing is hinted at in your mentions of Alan McGee and that’s career strategy. People who want fame need to make a strong impact and for that you need a very well-defined and simple image. I wonder if at some point early on Noel might have been advised to simplify the story you tell here. Of course now that Oasis is probably over and has achieved global fame, it’s possible to let some of the complexities back in. Led Zeppelin didn’t initially give credit to Willie Dixon, but later they did. Still, it’s a fascinating topic and you open it all up with you usual depth and flair. Thank you.
Probably McGee giving a young Noel some cut throat advice beforehand in regards to taking all the initial credit instead of sharing it with The Real People, at least that’s what I think would have happened.
maybe they also wanted to portray Noel as the “genius” single songwriter. Still seems to mostly hold true Imo. Although Noel generally lifted ideals left and right. Not that he is the only one to do so.
@@arnesl929 I used to think it was mostly true. But the more I learn about "influences" (more so people Noel copied) the more I think he didn't have too many original things to say. I think more and more will inevitably be unearthed as time goes on.
@@markythompson I agree somewhat, I personally do not consider him he genius at least not technically. And there is not much original about it. He might obviously have had a special ability to put together songs people related to, even if lifted from parts of other songs. I still think songs like live forever and don’t look back in anger will be remembered as great songs for a long time.
My opinion is Oasis were originally Liam's band formed with his mates. Noel was asked to come down and audition with them and play some songs that he'd written over the years. However there is a good 5 years between Liam and Noel in age and whilst Liam wanted to be a rock star Noel had already lived that life to an extend from his days working with The Inspiral Carpets. Noel didn't have the same feelings of goodwill towards Liam's mates the other members because there weren't his mates they were Liam's. To Noel they were just hired hands and ultimately Noel is quite a shrewd character. Ultimately Oasis were a vehicle to showcase his song writing skills and a way to try and get rich and his ruthlessness and occasional wickedness showed he didn't care who got in the way. An increasing ego and drug consumption probably didn't help and drugs and alcohol can often bring out the worse out in people. I'm not trying to suggest Noel is all bad mind.
Agreed Oasis was Liams band , Rain was Tony and Boneheads band we can thank Liam for Noel joining. He brought Noel to watch his band I think your right the age difference was important. Another thing Noel was finished, sacked by Inspiral carpets??
Noal is a great tallent but there's a reason I'm not into his High Flying Birds stuff but was a huge fan of OASIS. It may well be Noel who drives the genisis of these songs and gives these songs their colour and depth, but, clearly it takes a band to make them, and the sublte nuonces are as important as any other part of any song. Maybe copyright law should be changed to reflect this.
@@markythompson " hello " is a rip of a Garry glitter song you should check it out. I think the glitter song is called "hello good to be back" it's very alike. I'm a big fan of oasis and all there's solo stuff, but Noel has lifted a lot of stuff 😁
Another great video.. a good friend of mine convinced me to go see the real people with him a couple of years ago, he said it’s where oasis started and you’ll know what I mean when you get there, I was gob smacked how many parts of their songs featured on oasis albums, even if not directly stolen but sounded so alike, mainly from definitely maybe.
I had the chord book and always wondered who Chris was. What a blast from the past. The Oasis B-Side ‘Going Nowhere’ Has some of the same vibe of The Real People’s song of the same name. Great video by the way.
You can't be saying he could be a nice guy who had some sort of shitty spell. Noel Gallagher's been at it his entire life. Stealing songs from the people who were intrinsic to his bands everthing is not a one off scumbag move. He even stitched them up not allowing them the comparible pittance they were offered. Gallagher burgled houses you know, and talks off like it's nothing, I'm from the same sort of background, I didn't burgle my neighbours. The main reason he faded so quickly from the heights he was at is because having stolen so much of his music there was little chance he could keep doing it..... Liam got the bad press but it was his bellend brother who was the wrongun.
Update. Allan McGee was on talk sport today on the white and Jordan show. So,eone write in to say the role of the Real People should be creidted. McGee strongly agreed with this.
Noel wanted to create the impression that he did it all on his own, I remember him saying that most of definitely maybe was written when he was working laying gas pipes!
The guy is an asshole. To do this to anyone is beyond understanding. Stealing someone’s else’s art and passing it off as your own, and consuming the wealth of it without conscience is sociopathic. Should be sitting in jail. Instead he still worshipped.
Just wanted to say love your channel, James! Your Amsterdam Incident video was suggested to me by YT a few weeks and intrigued I watched. Since then I can't get enough, of your videos on Oasis, The Stone Roses, The Seahorses and The La's. Totally addictive, I'm loving working my way through the content. Really informative, and immersively takes you back to the time period. Thanks for all your hard work!
Discovered and loved The Real People and Rain in my mid to late teens, about 1991. Proper rootsy bands. When I heard Supersonic for the first time on the ITV chart show I thought, that's brilliant, sounds like The Real People. It does resemble the magnificent Car Outside you gotta admit. I do wonder how much of Marshmellow Lane Noel had heard in the run up to Definitely Maybe. There's such a similar sound to The Realies throughout that first album
The real people were recording marshmallow Lane around 92 I think. I'm guessing Noel heard a lot of it when they were touring with the inspiral carpets. Also Chris and Tony probably played them their songs in the studio. That album looks to have had a massive influence Noel a prime example being feel the pain which he lifted for don't go away.
I think Noel did it specifically to retain/attain his image as the mastermind behind Oasis and the idea of having some other band take even partial credit for "his band" or "his people" was too tough for him to let go.
Great video! i think part of is it to do with the wider issue of selling the oasis myths that was so important in their early success. The myth that the band were plodding along and then noel walked in with a bunch of songs and took over the band was massive at the time. that would have been undermined by a shared songwriting credit. maybe noel had to wrestle with the truth and the creation of the legend there are many other myths involved in the creation of the band that were sold to the press and helped fuel their rise.
It's really weird this situation because although all this was going on at the time, especially 1997 with Don't Go Away, Noel, ocean colour scene and the two Griffiths brother played day tripper together on a night of OCS's tour. You can notice that the Griffiths and noel don't really look at each other during the song, but I can't understand why they would play together considering what was going on.
J, you’re spot on that in our messy lives as humans we all pause and think ‘that was a bit of a mistake’ but when Noel could have and should have…he didn’t. As he says, he’s a cat 🤷🏻♂️
How about Champagne Supernova and Supernova by Five Thirty? Alan Mcghee absolutely loved the song (Five Thirty's) I should know because I wrote it and he told me!
Noel's greatest strength looks to be his ability to schmooze with all types of people. From the scally working class lads of the council estates of the NW to the champagne sipping right on crowds of the media machines of the BBC and record labels. Without that I don't think Oasis would have got where they did. By extension neither would any band he *ahem* borrowed *ahem* lyrics or melodies from. Morally what he has done could be seen as questionable but I don't think there are many people that could have pulled together the hype machine that was Oasis the way he did and put out some choice music into the bargain.
@semajdis “could be seen as questionable” - Really? Noel Gallagher took credit for somebody else’s work and then he kicked them in the teeth. What a lowlife.
Saw the Real People in 2002 in the bizarrest setting, opening up for Simple Minds (my guilty pleasure) at the NEC, which was about a quarter full when they were on. They were a good live band.
It must annoy the shit out of Noel that Liam is doing so well on his own without him. Liam is doing two nights at Knebworth this year and Noel not even anywhere the top of the bill at Glastonbury. The irony is sweet. When it comes to songwriting, Noel is good but he never claimed to be original only clever. The public love Liam - not Noel. Pity that Noel never gave full to The Real People, they deserve it.
@@sunsfan101981 I think Liam has reached “legendary” status for the young generation of today with his history and his public persona. I’m not into his solo stuff, but in his live shows he pulls it off big time. Liam knows how to make a splash in the media and I’m glad for him that he’s doing so well. Two nights at Knebworth is a big deal. Noel’s time will come again, just not this year.
..I used to be firmly on Liam's side but then I now know that Liam had been slagging off Noel's family. That's not on in my eyes. I understand Noel totally. I would do the same if someone shat on MY family like that.
@@desertrose1226 I’m a Noel man myself, he is a very talented man and I love his solo stuff especially his last album “Who built the moon” - brilliant. But at the same time I’m glad for Liam, he is doing so well that he has finally realized that he doesn’t need Noel anymore - and has stopped hassling Noel and his family, which was despicable in my view. I don’t like Liam’s solo stuff, but live he kicks ass. Noel’s time will come again - just not this year.
Concerning "Rockin' Chair": In the booklet of my edition of "The Masterplan", the song is credited to Noel Gallagher and C. Griffiths. This is printed on both the CD and the booklet. I bought the album in 2001.
Another cracking video James. I knew about Dont go away but I never knew about Colombia or rocking chair. Very informative and giving credit were its due.
I don't agree with half the things Noel says or does, but I get it now. His father was a complete bastard. The abuse that guy suffered as a child is heartbreaking and the reason why Noel AND Liam have ended up how they are.Noel comes off these days as a rich and arrogant egotist but I reckon it's just a huge two fingers up to the father that abused him instead of protected him!
Seen the real people live 3 times before covid , great band would recommend all their albums . Classic song writing on display , the 2016 releases of Monday morning breakdown is incredible
@@youngdylan5083 I suppose its about preference and taste...to me the Real People lack nothing but Oasis do...they lack integrity. Check this tune thats lacking nothing...ua-cam.com/video/pNHPRVNF3pQ/v-deo.html
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Fascinating video James.Well researched 👊👊.Had no idea Noel was capable of behaving so disrespectful towards the Real People,such a shame and a shitty thing to do😬
You are being overtly courteous James! Its bang out of order, what he did, especially when you consider the help the Griffiths brothers gave Oasis. I didn't know the half of this. Noel Gallagher is a narcissistic thief, no less!
very interesting. . didn't realize The Real People had a role in leading the band to more mid-tempo/slow songs. Makes sense when I remember how early they had All Around the World and Don't Go Away was written. this is important since people assume Oasis lost their edge either because Noel wanted to write ballads or because the original members left. this suggests it was a more natural progression that was in the works from the beginning
Cheers Jake Yeah it's always interesting getting the fuller picture of someone. He's a genius, but like many highly talented people, that genius can be used for good or bad... and is usually used for both
James you should set up a facebook group where everyone partaking in take back the charts can talk and discuss things. Would love to share some idea :)
This is old news but good to see others know of it too. Liam actually credits the real people also as 1 of his favourite bands and has mentioned them a few times to the way he was feeling at the time.
It’s been said by quite a few people in the band and close to the band that Noel changed after they got the record deal. Not for the better either. The Real People were on the Definitely Maybe DVD documentary though. Never understood that considering what had happened in the past.
@@deanmurphy8915 it seems very strange to me. The Definitely Maybe documentary came out in 2004 and Tony’s book came out in 2010. The Real people interview is very recent and there’s still animosity there so I don’t know what to think. Was adding the Real People on the documentary an olive branch?? I was certainly surprised that they appeared on it.
It’s bizarre Chris Griffiths only ever got a slight mention for Rockin’ Chair when Noel’s version is miles better. But Don’t Go Away is literally the exact same... great artists steal, but that’s just taking the piss.
Great video James! I think it was a mix of all of the reasons that you gave is why Noel decided to do what he did to the Real People. By the way, If you haven't already you should listen to the story of Big Un and Oasis, I don't agree with most of what he tries to display but it's a good read aswell I believe Tony shared some of it in his book.
This happens a lot and no one really cares. I was very close to the actual writer of the rolling stones wild horses untill he died in 2020. His last name was neither Richards or Jagger.
He is a loving father. A great husband and caring friend. He has donated millions, his time and his property to multiple charities. He often will go out before soundchecks and sign autographs for all the fans waiting for him. He does sound checks because he cares that people a good show and will take care of his voice. Which he is constantly trying to improve be because he is not a natural signer and once again he wants to put out his best.He releases things as demo's to give fans something new to listen to while they wait for an album to come out. He is a generous and kind boss. The list goes on and on. There is definitely a light side to Noel people just choose to not see it . It's like Liam there is a light side to him too and there is a dark side to him.
I used to be friends with a woman from Florida called Lisa Nash, who was in a crappy punk band called screaming sneakers in the 80s- she told me that she demoed a punk/new wave cover of the song MONY MONY to her then friend BILLY IDOL, Idols reaction was like 'why didnt I think of that?!', she said after she demoed the song to him, she never saw him again, then a few months later Idol releases the song as his own and becomes a hit. Ive read his autobiography , and in all probability, it wouldn't surprise me if 66% of it is bullshit. I'm not sorry it happened to her though: I soon found out that Lisa Nash was an exceptionally evil, deceptive back stabbing bitch, and actually deserves every bad thing that happens to her.
Another great video. One small nit-pick, which I may well be wrong about, is that comment from Supersonic Noel made about Tony. I interpreted that as being specifically about the manner of Tony's departure from the band which Tony has discussed many times in the past, rather than anything else that he might've written in his book. I really don't think Noel was saying that everything in Tony's book was true.
Dude you can see on some of the live performances when Noel looks at Tony but with a serious face. Idk what he is saying to him but you can pretty tell Noel was always on Tonys when playing.
Wow 🤯 Awesome vid Edit I disagree with the cat comment. Not all cats are Bastards, My little man is lovely and loving. He loves his mum and me. We are bed time buddies + Thunder buddies too 😻
so liam wrote the chorus of columbia? interesting. I think theres a lot of other bands whos members help write the songs but the accepted songwriter takes all the credit.
liam apparently had a few of contributions to some early songs. noel even admits how liam basically wrote the “so sally can wait” part to don’t look back in anger. odd why only NG got all the credit
@@bruhmomento6844 it happens a lot. "rusholme ruffians" by the smiths is literally marr playing marie's the name by elvis. the only hook apart from morrissey is rourkes great bassline but he gets no credit. the talking heads basically wrote all the music together but david byrne takes all the credit
great vid was surprised when listened to the realies first after reading the book how truthful it was what Tony wrote and also they have so many good songs should be huge great band on it's own
He's a massive Oasis fan..this is in no way a 'hit-piece'. That's a completely different thing, with a lot of untruths. We all know The Chief is a great songwriter. This isn't about that. People are complex man, never one-dimensional.
im not surprised TRP got pushed to one side and weren't credited. i'd followed them until their first album, and saw them live shortly after it. they'd looked very promising, but afaik a lot of ep tracks were reused and it took the momentum out of it. not a surprising way to construct the album, as the eps were quite under the radar. NG has long pushed other's contributions or emphasised his own. i actually didn't know TRP were involved in oasis at all.
Always felt Columbia reminded me of the enlightenment after an acid trip an now knowing they were tripping balls an partly written by scousers makes it even more legendary
Finding out my favourite Oasis song of all time was in fact stolen, is like finding out my son is not mine after 20 years.
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Nobody tell this guy about Cigarettes & Alcohol, Shakermaker, or The Hindu Times.
Get a DNA test
James help!
Somehow I think you’ll be fine
Once had an Oasis picture book when I was a kid in the 90's; one quote from NG that sticks out was - "You pick up your guitar, rip a few people's tunes off, swap them round a bit, get your brother in the band, punch his head in every now and then and it sells." There you go...
Brilliant😂
Lol yep remember that interview. Had it myself. Think it was on a cd with the definitely maybe b and h silver singles pack! 😂
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The real people, what an overlooked diamond of a band
I was a fan of Oasis back in the day, but seriously, I don't see why Noel can't cough up a few grand and the writing credits, after all, he's loaded, and probably will be for the rest of his life.
Ripping off the Beatles or Stevie Wonder is one thing. No one really gets hurt. But repeatedly ripping off people who helped you getting started? That takes a special kind of bastard. Classic case of biting the hand that feeds.
@@exmagnolia then taking the Real people off all guest lists and supporting slots where they could have got more exposure and earnt a good few quid , he’s an arrogant prick doing that .
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I've genuinely lost respect for NG.
@@brockit79 boo hoo.
@@samuraininjarockstar9355 He's arrogant but at least he can spell.
Man, I always felt that Columbia was a total different kettle of fish from the other songs on Def-Maybe and now I know why. Especially listening to the Real People. Its totally their 1991 album vibe.
They nicked it from a club track they heard in the Hacienda: ua-cam.com/video/oCKOGawikz8/v-deo.html
The Real People debut album is bloody fantastic, brilliant lyrics and melodied - classic to the right (real) people...
Got a signed copy of one of their albums, saw them live in Derby 1990
They lost a lot of their punky sound when Tony was sacked. I preferred him on drums. I’ve read his book and it’s great. He didn’t trash Noel or anything like that. Which he could quite easily have done. Shows what a good bloke he is. The truth is a very good and apt title for his book as well.
Shows what a shithouse he is more like.
He allowed the last member to join to kick him out of his own band, rolled over and accepted it without even attempting to stand up for himself.
Without Noel, Tony McCarrol would never be heard of and would never have played on an iconic album like 'Definitely Maybe'.
Is Noel supposed to apologise to Tony for his inability to hold a steady beat as a drummer and lack creativity and timing?
If he was a credible talented drummer he wouldn't have been sacked in the first place.
Definitely maybe was undoubtedly their greatest record!
@@linsayspence7070 agreed.
@@theclown8568 Alan White maybe be more profecient, he still can't play supersonic properly😂
@@johnfreney3819 he doesn't play Columbia as well either.
Never heard of The Real People and just started listening to them -- wow! Real shame these guys never broke in the same way as Oasis. Even a band like James broke bigger than these guys.
What do you mean even a band like James? James did some really great songs.
James is good but the real people are miles ahead of him. Their back catalogue is amazing
They supported OCS a few times
Noel admitted he steals riffs and segments of other people’s music in his songs it isn’t a secret. But Columbia and the real people is kinda shady. And the whole band bullied tony I felt really bad for him.
Judging by stories like "Rolexes to the band, Rolls-Royce to Noel" it really feels like McGee has convinced Noel that he is Oasis by himself, even though they already had the sound - which they've lost when the original members left. Liam's contribution is also utterly underrated. Noel has created this image that he's a genius songwriter, but without his brother's delivery I don't think any of his songs would have been noticed. In the meantime whatever Liam sings, the tune sounds like Oasis, whether it's written by Death in Vegas or even Bob Marley. I'm also certain that Liam could have become a great songwriter with some encouragement in the early 90s and the band could have become a relatively successful indie band. On the other hand, I don't see Noel's career ever taking off without the sound, attitude and voice of Oasis.
@kevvcop Nah, I doubt Liam could ever write this eloquently, even through English is my second language :)
Noel freely admits in recent interviews that he would never have got anywhere without Liam.
High flying birds music is superior to Oasis in my opinion. No Liam there.
I don't really think Noel after Oasis ever pursued thesame style as Oasis. Just listen to His High flying birds sound. It's completely different than the iconic Liam style. Maybe just maybe he is just doing what he likes for his own music.
Like what the Real People said, Liam was already a Star , everywhere they went people couldn’t take there eyes off him, then his voice was amazing, never has a single man got every teenager or lad in there 20s in the country to get there hair & clothes to imitate his image , it was like what James Dean did to affect the male youth of America in the 50s, every lad wanted to be Liam not Noel .
@@samuraininjarockstar9355exactly all bands have got one guy that all the kids idolize and Liam was that to Oasis
Fascinating.. Like others I’m a huge fan and wasn’t aware of this… great job again. Despite Noel being my all time hero, I’ve always been aware he has a dark side and he’s had his moments like this.. (Also always hated the unnecessary verbal put down against an unwell Michael Hutchence at 96 Brits)
Noel Gallagher is one of the most sued artists of all time. There are lots of compilation's of songs and ideas he's copied/stolen on UA-cam. they're well worth checking out.
@@BB.halo_heir what's your source?
He has such a great sense of humour he could’ve been a famous comedian, and he is a great songwriter on top of that. But he has lost the plot a good number of times. The hutchence thing took me back too
He has lifted ideas and melodies. But that’s what makes oasis so special. Nothing good is original anyways and he knows that.
Oasis is special cause they had personality and it’s all that will ever matter
Shoplifters of the world unite and take over
@@markythompson Noels a magpie everyone knows that. To say he is one the most sued artists is wrong cause it isn’t true. Everyone be doing what he does if it was that easy. These lads the real people helped them at the start. It’s like messi dad probaly thought him how to kick a ball. Messi did the rest. Oasis had Liam a phenomenal front man and for the first 3 albums singer too
@@michaelmulhall5007 what do you mean "it's not true"? It absolutely is true.
The more i read/hear about Liam,i like him more.The more i read/hear about noel,i like him less.I can’t remember the last time i heard something good about him tnh
its no wonder liam freaked out on stage in 2000 but noel comes off as a sweetheart
Same mate.
I used to think this too but then I learned about what a great husband and dad Noel has been, in sharp contrast to Liam who pretty shamelessly neglects his kids and publicly cheated on wives 1 and 2
Lol wait until you realise the meaning of digsys dinner
I never liked either one of them and still don't, but I really liked their records in the 90s.
To be honest I think that Noel always had this hunger of becoming a rockstar no matter what, and without that oasis would've never reached that level of fame and success. I think he was an incredible strategist. He knew that it was not going to be easy, but he also knew how to play his cards and did it great (althought that consisted on wearing masks and blend in with all kind of people , use'em and get away with it). I think that somehow , all that he did was necesary and perfect , and if you think it wasn't , Oasis music is the result of that and it speaks for itself
Your comment implies (in fact, blatantly states) that if you are hungry for success and you indeed find that success, that the ends justifies the means and all criticism is invalid.
To qualify that with "the music speaks for itself" is not only an empty sentiment, it ignores the many MANY instances where Noel plagiarized other artists to find that success.
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It's one thing for the opening riff for C&A to sound a bit like T Rex, for the piano on DLBIA to sound very similar to Imagine, for Columbia to have the same chord progression as a techno number and WTSMG to have "tomorrow never knows" in its lyrics
(which even those combined is kind of embarrassing)
but to patently steal from The Real People and Stevie Wonder and excuse that as "success by any means necessary" tells me that your love of Oasis' music, which I like as well, has you shutting your eyes and ears to anything unethical.
If every song was as original and iconic as Live Forever, Bring It On Down, Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova, they'd probably be the best band of the nineties.
But there's too much that's questionable and blatantly stolen to ignore.
@@michaelmcdonald8452 I am a fan of Noel & generally would shrug & say that’s life, but the Columbia thing does look behind the Pale.
I am almost where your are, but taking a sole writing credit for a song he hardly even contributed to is as close to criminal. I wonder if they played Columbia live, much?
i mean even if we are to accept the notion that being ruthless in pursuit of social/financial success at the expense of personal relationships is acceptable, thats still bollocks, frankly. we're talking about co-writing credits for THREE songs, none of which was a hit single or even particularly famous, and one of which was a fucking b-side. its not a big deal. i assume the case is that unlike just stealing a famous riff or a melody here and there and adapting them for your own song without formally crediting the source, which is fine, the real people stuff was just blatantly noel pretending something someone else had done was completely his, and his obsessively not acknowledging the real people is just guilt about that (which, again, is just absurd considering if you asked 100 people in the street to name ten noel gallagher songs off the top of their head youd be lucky to get one person naming columbia, rockin chair or dont go away).
@@GT380man Liam sings it sometimes but Liam wrote the chorus.
Thanks James, this was fascinating, and sadly unsurprising. I was given Tony McCarroll’s book as a present a few years back and have never got around to reading it. That is about to change! Thanks again
im so glad to hear people are talking about this again, I've been good mates with Tony and Chris for many many years, was a member of the band for a few years and spent a good few years in there studio with them helping them record a great many records with so many different artists and all that time "that cheque was on the wall the whole time". they are without a doubt the most prolific and melodically wonderful songwriters, ive heard those Reels many many times its so overwhelmingly obvious, and to be fair when the first oasis record came we all knew those songs were Realies songs its so obvious, made ever harder when knowing all the parties involved . it certainly was a shitty thing to do. Noel always seems to be a fair and although highly disagreeable he's usually jovial and fun to be around most of the time but damn would I love to see his face if Tony and Chris walked in the room, I think they are owed a sit down and a hatchet burying as one thing I know about the Griffiths brothers is they are Honest to a fault and no matter how hard they try they can't hold a grudge they are far to big hearted for that. Lets hope one day it happens
From a massive fan lovely words mate
@Alaska Music Ignorance is bliss.
@Alaska Music or stupid
Hard to tell which 😂😂🤣
What about shack then!!!
Some people went into that studio in Birkenhead and never left for weeks Phil 🤣
Was chatting to Chris and Tony on Mattew St Liverpool on sunday night...they are top blokes always have time for a chat and they are brilliant musicians.
griffith's phone nterviews desperately need subtitles
@MrSkill_420 took my words. I couldn't understand a damn thing those guys said on the phone.
Met the real people in a pub in liverpool good few yrs bk..... were very freindly & bought them a pint!! Hadnt a lot to say about Noel & knew straight away they had no time for him!! But they did talk about liam & said he was sound
Excellent video. It's very difficult to discuss an event from the past without your own personal take on things and your own judgement, but this was very well presented and researched and it offered a great insight into how things were at the time. Thank you for your work
Ur welcome :)
I prefer the Oasis versions of every song they're accused of ripping off.
Not sure if it's Liams voice or Noels arrangements.
I think Oasis would never have made it without Liam Gallagher fronting them.
Sure but one thing is creating another is ripping off and eventually make it better. No doubt Noel's solo stuff is barely average.
Liam. He's got his own sound.
@@MoonwalkerWorshiper love the guy. His studio vocals are untouchable
@@MoonwalkerWorshiper this is true. Especially the sunshine bits
Hey James I found your channel by pure chance and I have to say bro you are very entertaining to listen too. I'm loving what you are doing keep it up.
Sad to hear this. I always loved Noel, but if he has no sense of honesty, integrity or generosity, then I genuinely feel sad for him. His talent is not in doubt. His character and decency is what's in doubt.
Part of the appeal of Oasis when they first burst on the scene was that they all behaved exactly like a bunch of scallywags, exactly the type of people who'd steal something and pass it off as their own, step over people to achieve stardom, which is why the middle class did and still do despise Oasis. Noel has been open about stealing riffs just as he was open about getting done for shoplifting. Now we have all this handwringing about his lack of decency when he never pretended to be anything other than who he is.
I saw The Real People in 1992 and when I heard Oasis I was shocked at how much they sounded like The Realies!!
A brilliant video, James and a maybe a bit of restorative justice too. I really liked the bit at the end where you acknowledge that we’re all a mix of qualities and no one’s conscience is quite clear. Two things struck me, thinking it over. One was the remark you quoted near the beginning about perceived differences between Liverpool and Manchester band cultures. It’s definitely the case I think that particular places, cities say, foreground certain values at the expense of others. Some places will feel to a majority of people kinder, or more dangerous, or more fun-loving or creative than others. This has a strong bearing on how we all learn to present ourselves. On top of that there are institutions and times. It might be very important to be ‘hard’ in a cell block, but not in a refuge for victims of domestic violence. And the lad culture of the 90s has now in many peoples’ minds started to go the way of flared jeans and flat caps. So in some cultures it might be easier than in others to get away with being a bit ruthless. The second thing is hinted at in your mentions of Alan McGee and that’s career strategy. People who want fame need to make a strong impact and for that you need a very well-defined and simple image. I wonder if at some point early on Noel might have been advised to simplify the story you tell here. Of course now that Oasis is probably over and has achieved global fame, it’s possible to let some of the complexities back in. Led Zeppelin didn’t initially give credit to Willie Dixon, but later they did. Still, it’s a fascinating topic and you open it all up with you usual depth and flair. Thank you.
Excellent comment
Probably McGee giving a young Noel some cut throat advice beforehand in regards to taking all the initial credit instead of sharing it with The Real People, at least that’s what I think would have happened.
There's an excellent chance McGee told Noel to "use some ideas" from the Real People because he knew Oasis would be more popular.
maybe they also wanted to portray Noel as the “genius” single songwriter. Still seems to mostly hold true Imo.
Although Noel generally lifted ideals left and right. Not that he is the only one to do so.
@@arnesl929 I used to think it was mostly true. But the more I learn about "influences" (more so people Noel copied) the more I think he didn't have too many original things to say. I think more and more will inevitably be unearthed as time goes on.
@@markythompson I agree somewhat, I personally do not consider him he genius at least not technically. And there is not much original about it. He might obviously have had a special ability to put together songs people related to, even if lifted from parts of other songs. I still think songs like live forever and don’t look back in anger will be remembered as great songs for a long time.
@@arnesl929 he’s a genius because he lifts shit and gets away with it. And I respect him for it
My opinion is Oasis were originally Liam's band formed with his mates. Noel was asked to come down and audition with them and play some songs that he'd written over the years. However there is a good 5 years between Liam and Noel in age and whilst Liam wanted to be a rock star Noel had already lived that life to an extend from his days working with The Inspiral Carpets. Noel didn't have the same feelings of goodwill towards Liam's mates the other members because there weren't his mates they were Liam's. To Noel they were just hired hands and ultimately Noel is quite a shrewd character. Ultimately Oasis were a vehicle to showcase his song writing skills and a way to try and get rich and his ruthlessness and occasional wickedness showed he didn't care who got in the way. An increasing ego and drug consumption probably didn't help and drugs and alcohol can often bring out the worse out in people. I'm not trying to suggest Noel is all bad mind.
Agreed Oasis was Liams band , Rain was Tony and Boneheads band we can thank Liam for Noel joining. He brought Noel to watch his band I think your right the age difference was important. Another thing Noel was finished, sacked by Inspiral carpets??
Thats a good analysis of how noel probably felt towards the rest of the band. It was liams band and liams mates.
Noal is a great tallent but there's a reason I'm not into his High Flying Birds stuff but was a huge fan of OASIS. It may well be Noel who drives the genisis of these songs and gives these songs their colour and depth, but, clearly it takes a band to make them, and the sublte nuonces are as important as any other part of any song. Maybe copyright law should be changed to reflect this.
Nghfb are old oasis tunes
Another great video. I consider myself to be a huge Oasis fan, but a lot of this stuff was new to me. Thanks James!
There's many compilation's of oasis songs alongside songs that Noel copied from. They're well worth checking out.
@@markythompson " hello " is a rip of a Garry glitter song you should check it out. I think the glitter song is called "hello good to be back" it's very alike. I'm a big fan of oasis and all there's solo stuff, but Noel has lifted a lot of stuff 😁
Another great video.. a good friend of mine convinced me to go see the real people with him a couple of years ago, he said it’s where oasis started and you’ll know what I mean when you get there, I was gob smacked how many parts of their songs featured on oasis albums, even if not directly stolen but sounded so alike, mainly from definitely maybe.
I had the chord book and always wondered who Chris was. What a blast from the past.
The Oasis B-Side ‘Going Nowhere’ Has some of the same vibe of The Real People’s song of the same name.
Great video by the way.
You can't be saying he could be a nice guy who had some sort of shitty spell. Noel Gallagher's been at it his entire life.
Stealing songs from the people who were intrinsic to his bands everthing is not a one off scumbag move.
He even stitched them up not allowing them the comparible pittance they were offered.
Gallagher burgled houses you know, and talks off like it's nothing, I'm from the same sort of background, I didn't burgle my neighbours.
The main reason he faded so quickly from the heights he was at is because having stolen so much of his music there was little chance he could keep doing it..... Liam got the bad press but it was his bellend brother who was the wrongun.
Completely agree he does not speak to his brothers either but Liam is doing well on his own which is great
Update. Allan McGee was on talk sport today on the white and Jordan show. So,eone write in to say the role of the Real People should be creidted. McGee strongly agreed with this.
Noel wanted to create the impression that he did it all on his own, I remember him saying that most of definitely maybe was written when he was working laying gas pipes!
Some of it was
The guy is an asshole. To do this to anyone is beyond understanding. Stealing someone’s else’s art and passing it off as your own, and consuming the wealth of it without conscience is sociopathic. Should be sitting in jail. Instead he still worshipped.
Jail? that's going a bit far lol
Just an ego out of control.
Jail? 😂
I think Noel is a 24 carat tit but jail is a bit much 😂
Just wanted to say love your channel, James! Your Amsterdam Incident video was suggested to me by YT a few weeks and intrigued I watched. Since then I can't get enough, of your videos on Oasis, The Stone Roses, The Seahorses and The La's. Totally addictive, I'm loving working my way through the content. Really informative, and immersively takes you back to the time period. Thanks for all your hard work!
Discovered and loved The Real People and Rain in my mid to late teens, about 1991. Proper rootsy bands. When I heard Supersonic for the first time on the ITV chart show I thought, that's brilliant, sounds like The Real People. It does resemble the magnificent Car Outside you gotta admit. I do wonder how much of Marshmellow Lane Noel had heard in the run up to Definitely Maybe. There's such a similar sound to The Realies throughout that first album
The real people were recording marshmallow Lane around 92 I think. I'm guessing Noel heard a lot of it when they were touring with the inspiral carpets. Also Chris and Tony probably played them their songs in the studio. That album looks to have had a massive influence Noel a prime example being feel the pain which he lifted for don't go away.
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Fair treatment of the subject. Good to see you being justifiably critical of Noel Gallagher.
I know that this information is out there already, but I think you’ve done a great job researching this. Well done! The truth will out.
I think Noel did it specifically to retain/attain his image as the mastermind behind Oasis and the idea of having some other band take even partial credit for "his band" or "his people" was too tough for him to let go.
Great video. Chris Griffiths also has the writing credit on the Apple Music version of Rockin Chair
Great video! i think part of is it to do with the wider issue of selling the oasis myths that was so important in their early success. The myth that the band were plodding along and then noel walked in with a bunch of songs and took over the band was massive at the time. that would have been undermined by a shared songwriting credit. maybe noel had to wrestle with the truth and the creation of the legend
there are many other myths involved in the creation of the band that were sold to the press and helped fuel their rise.
This video blew my mind. Thanks for uploading!
It's really weird this situation because although all this was going on at the time, especially 1997 with Don't Go Away, Noel, ocean colour scene and the two Griffiths brother played day tripper together on a night of OCS's tour. You can notice that the Griffiths and noel don't really look at each other during the song, but I can't understand why they would play together considering what was going on.
Typical person who was abused turning into an abuser
J, you’re spot on that in our messy lives as humans we all pause and think ‘that was a bit of a mistake’ but when Noel could have and should have…he didn’t.
As he says, he’s a cat 🤷🏻♂️
I think Noel has Narcissistic personality disorders .
Research the condition and you will see that Noel has all the traits for this diagnosis.
Great video. Also worth mentioning that The Real People are a great band and are still doing amazing gigs!
How about Champagne Supernova and Supernova by Five Thirty? Alan Mcghee absolutely loved the song (Five Thirty's) I should know because I wrote it and he told me!
Noel's greatest strength looks to be his ability to schmooze with all types of people. From the scally working class lads of the council estates of the NW to the champagne sipping right on crowds of the media machines of the BBC and record labels. Without that I don't think Oasis would have got where they did. By extension neither would any band he *ahem* borrowed *ahem* lyrics or melodies from. Morally what he has done could be seen as questionable but I don't think there are many people that could have pulled together the hype machine that was Oasis the way he did and put out some choice music into the bargain.
@Sleeping I forgot about Cool Britannia. That didn't age well.
As his younger sibling says .. the man wears many masks
i used to like noel in the 90's and thought liam was an idiot. now i like liam and think noel is an idiot
@semajdis “could be seen as questionable” - Really?
Noel Gallagher took credit for somebody else’s work and then he kicked them in the teeth.
What a lowlife.
@Sleeping Well said!
Saw the Real People in 2002 in the bizarrest setting, opening up for Simple Minds (my guilty pleasure) at the NEC, which was about a quarter full when they were on. They were a good live band.
What I find odd is how the ideas Noel stole were so much weaker than the ideas he came up with himself.
95% of successful people are ruthless, it goes hand in hand.
It must annoy the shit out of Noel that Liam is doing so well on his own without him.
Liam is doing two nights at Knebworth this year and Noel not even anywhere the top of the bill at Glastonbury. The irony is sweet.
When it comes to songwriting, Noel is good but he never claimed to be original only clever. The public love Liam - not Noel. Pity that Noel never gave full to The Real People, they deserve it.
I still don't understand the Liam resurgence. Songs aren't that good, still doesn't play anything or write anything on his own. I really don't get it
@@sunsfan101981
I think Liam has reached “legendary” status for the young generation of today with his history and his public persona. I’m not into his solo stuff, but in his live shows he pulls it off big time. Liam knows how to make a splash in the media and I’m glad for him that he’s doing so well. Two nights at Knebworth is a big deal.
Noel’s time will come again, just not this year.
..I used to be firmly on Liam's side but then I now know that Liam had been slagging off Noel's family. That's not on in my eyes. I understand Noel totally. I would do the same if someone shat on MY family like that.
@@desertrose1226
I’m a Noel man myself, he is a very talented man and I love his solo stuff especially his last album “Who built the moon” - brilliant.
But at the same time I’m glad for Liam, he is doing so well that he has finally realized that he doesn’t need Noel anymore - and has stopped hassling Noel and his family, which was despicable in my view. I don’t like Liam’s solo stuff, but live he kicks ass.
Noel’s time will come again - just not this year.
Great video! Is there any way to listen to Griffith's song that inspired Rockin Chair?
This is brilliant, well researched stuff. And I loved your video on The La's too. Really well done.
Cheers james really enjoyed that great video yet again keep up the good work and more power to you moving forward GEZZER MAN
Concerning "Rockin' Chair": In the booklet of my edition of "The Masterplan", the song is credited to Noel Gallagher and C. Griffiths. This is printed on both the CD and the booklet. I bought the album in 2001.
Another cracking video James. I knew about Dont go away but I never knew about Colombia or rocking chair. Very informative and giving credit were its due.
I don't agree with half the things Noel says or does, but I get it now. His father was a complete bastard. The abuse that guy suffered as a child is heartbreaking and the reason why Noel AND Liam have ended up how they are.Noel comes off these days as a rich and arrogant egotist but I reckon it's just a huge two fingers up to the father that abused him instead of protected him!
I agree but it doesn’t explain why he won’t speak to both his brothers they suffered at the hands of the Dad. He’s just forgot his roots.
You didn’t mention when Noel left a tour, one of the Real People stood in for him on guitar
This is such a rare internet video - balanced and fair, with just he facts. Well produced too. Thanks.
Seen the real people live 3 times before covid , great band would recommend all their albums . Classic song writing on display , the 2016 releases of Monday morning breakdown is incredible
They are ok mate, I’ve listened to their stuff, definitely lacks something.
@@youngdylan5083 lacks Liam
@@youngdylan5083 I suppose its about preference and taste...to me the Real People lack nothing but Oasis do...they lack integrity. Check this tune thats lacking nothing...ua-cam.com/video/pNHPRVNF3pQ/v-deo.html
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There's a song by the Real People called 'Bring You Down' which sounds very similar to 'The Hindu Times'...
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Brilliantly researched. Thanks James.
No empathy for Noel. Inexcusable. I, for one, can say I have never been ruthless unnecessarily or knowingly done someone wrong for personal gain.
Some of your best stuff James really enjoy this
Your videos are brilliant James mate 👍 keep the hard work up pal loving your channel one of the best oasis based channels on UA-cam my friend , from a fellow mad for it oasis geezer live forever pal 🤝🙏😎
Fascinating video James.Well researched 👊👊.Had no idea Noel was capable of behaving so disrespectful towards the Real People,such a shame and a shitty thing to do😬
You are being overtly courteous James! Its bang out of order, what he did, especially when you consider the help the Griffiths brothers gave Oasis. I didn't know the half of this. Noel Gallagher is a narcissistic thief, no less!
very interesting. . didn't realize The Real People had a role in leading the band to more mid-tempo/slow songs. Makes sense when I remember how early they had All Around the World and Don't Go Away was written. this is important since people assume Oasis lost their edge either because Noel wanted to write ballads or because the original members left. this suggests it was a more natural progression that was in the works from the beginning
explains why they went downhill after two albums - thanks for the content...
Great video, you learn a lot about Noel's mentality towards his own success when you look at his darker side
Cheers Jake
Yeah it's always interesting getting the fuller picture of someone. He's a genius, but like many highly talented people, that genius can be used for good or bad... and is usually used for both
Great video James never knew this wow ❤️
Glad you enjoyed it 👍👍
Have you got a link for the podcast interview with Chris mate
It's the oasis podcast episode 33
James you should set up a facebook group where everyone partaking in take back the charts can talk and discuss things. Would love to share some idea :)
Great Idea Josh
This is old news but good to see others know of it too. Liam actually credits the real people also as 1 of his favourite bands and has mentioned them a few times to the way he was feeling at the time.
Liam also tweeted about them a few years back
It’s been said by quite a few people in the band and close to the band that Noel changed after they got the record deal. Not for the better either. The Real People were on the Definitely Maybe DVD documentary though. Never understood that considering what had happened in the past.
Ye I was thinking the same. You wouldn't think all this happend from that Doc...
@@deanmurphy8915 it seems very strange to me. The Definitely Maybe documentary came out in 2004 and Tony’s book came out in 2010. The Real people interview is very recent and there’s still animosity there so I don’t know what to think. Was adding the Real People on the documentary an olive branch?? I was certainly surprised that they appeared on it.
It’s bizarre Chris Griffiths only ever got a slight mention for Rockin’ Chair when Noel’s version is miles better. But Don’t Go Away is literally the exact same... great artists steal, but that’s just taking the piss.
Great video James! I think it was a mix of all of the reasons that you gave is why Noel decided to do what he did to the Real People. By the way, If you haven't already you should listen to the story of Big Un and Oasis, I don't agree with most of what he tries to display but it's a good read aswell I believe Tony shared some of it in his book.
This happens a lot and no one really cares. I was very close to the actual writer of the rolling stones wild horses untill he died in 2020. His last name was neither Richards or Jagger.
Is there really a light side to noel gallagher?
He is a loving father. A great husband and caring friend. He has donated millions, his time and his property to multiple charities. He often will go out before soundchecks and sign autographs for all the fans waiting for him. He does sound checks because he cares that people a good show and will take care of his voice. Which he is constantly trying to improve be because he is not a natural signer and once again he wants to put out his best.He releases things as demo's to give fans something new to listen to while they wait for an album to come out. He is a generous and kind boss. The list goes on and on. There is definitely a light side to Noel people just choose to not see it . It's like Liam there is a light side to him too and there is a dark side to him.
I used to be friends with a woman from Florida called Lisa Nash, who was in a crappy punk band called screaming sneakers in the 80s- she told me that she demoed a punk/new wave cover of the song MONY MONY to her then friend BILLY IDOL, Idols reaction was like 'why didnt I think of that?!', she said after she demoed the song to him, she never saw him again, then a few months later Idol releases the song as his own and becomes a hit. Ive read his autobiography , and in all probability, it wouldn't surprise me if 66% of it is bullshit. I'm not sorry it happened to her though: I soon found out that Lisa Nash was an exceptionally evil, deceptive back stabbing bitch, and actually deserves every bad thing that happens to her.
Well, that took a turn........
Another great video. One small nit-pick, which I may well be wrong about, is that comment from Supersonic Noel made about Tony. I interpreted that as being specifically about the manner of Tony's departure from the band which Tony has discussed many times in the past, rather than anything else that he might've written in his book. I really don't think Noel was saying that everything in Tony's book was true.
@@BB.halo_heir Agree. I'd also be surprised if Noel has read the book in it's entirety but I could be wrong there.
Dude you can see on some of the live performances when Noel looks at Tony but with a serious face. Idk what he is saying to him but you can pretty tell Noel was always on Tonys when playing.
@@FusionKush Oh yeah, he didn't like Tony one bit, I'm not sure anyone would disagree with that.
Wow 🤯 Awesome vid
Edit I disagree with the cat comment. Not all cats are Bastards, My little man is lovely and loving. He loves his mum and me. We are bed time buddies + Thunder buddies too 😻
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so liam wrote the chorus of columbia? interesting. I think theres a lot of other bands whos members help write the songs but the accepted songwriter takes all the credit.
liam apparently had a few of contributions to some early songs. noel even admits how liam basically wrote the “so sally can wait” part to don’t look back in anger. odd why only NG got all the credit
@@bruhmomento6844 it happens a lot. "rusholme ruffians" by the smiths is literally marr playing marie's the name by elvis. the only hook apart from morrissey is rourkes great bassline but he gets no credit. the talking heads basically wrote all the music together but david byrne takes all the credit
The end segment is very Jerry Springer - but very apt, true and well said. Great video. Again.
great vid was surprised when listened to the realies first after reading the book how truthful it was what Tony wrote and also they have so many good songs should be huge great band on it's own
Wow, a real hit piece. Take a look at what Noel has done since 1994-1995 and his talent is undeniable.
A downward spiral yeah.
He's a massive Oasis fan..this is in no way a 'hit-piece'. That's a completely different thing, with a lot of untruths. We all know The Chief is a great songwriter. This isn't about that. People are complex man, never one-dimensional.
im not surprised TRP got pushed to one side and weren't credited. i'd followed them until their first album, and saw them live shortly after it. they'd looked very promising, but afaik a lot of ep tracks were reused and it took the momentum out of it. not a surprising way to construct the album, as the eps were quite under the radar. NG has long pushed other's contributions or emphasised his own. i actually didn't know TRP were involved in oasis at all.
Sick thumbnail James. Love your Oasis stuff 😍
Always felt Columbia reminded me of the enlightenment after an acid trip an now knowing they were tripping balls an partly written by scousers makes it even more legendary
When you’re a nobody you should never forget those who helped you once you’re a somebody.
Good stuff James but with great source material like that you can’t go wrong!
Hahahahahaha true true
Outstanding brilliantly put together 👏👏👍👍😉
Love both bands but no realies no oasis as we know them
It's true we can all do good and bad, but we have to learn to do better after we make the mistakes
When all is said and done, Liam seems to be actually quite an honest and decent bloke....Noel, not so much.
Liam clearly seems like the better person.
@@BP-or2iu Yep. Liam is real. Noel tells... stories.
Their uncle Rory would not be happy.
@@drexlspivey5828 i think liam never changed despite all the fame and fortune.