*Hey guys, thank you for stopping by to hear my experience, journey, and story in Audio. I would love to hear about your experiences as well in the comments. However I would like to keep the comment section a civil, safe and positive space; All snake oil comments and/or non-civil negativity will be filtered and deleted. Thank you for your understanding* *edit: I noticed that some are commenting that I proposed "microphonic" for a reason to use cable lifters. I apologize if the communication wasn't clear; I DO NOT know the cause for my experience and all reasoning are speculations at best based on my experience, I am merely sharing them. I am not suggesting it is microphonic or any other reasons as to why I hear a difference. It is a fact that microphonic is in consideration with many market cable lifters and thus why I decided to add sorbothane to my lifters but the primary reason for using sorbothane was for it to stop slipping around and help me better route/organize the cables.* Links to products in this video: Pot holder cable lifters (non-affiliate): www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001792662246.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.39e938dahMYazH&mp=1 Isolation pads (affiliate) amzn.to/3R7UKZm Inakustic Cable Lifters (non-affiliate): www.in-akustik.de/en/cables-and-accessories/speaker-cable/accessories/reference-cable-base-00719223-ls/?no_cache=1&cHash=1d813cb6a390734f1a1fd2630eeb980e 0:00 Disclaimer 2:00 First Experience with Cable Lifters 4:45 Cable Lifters Did Not Make A Difference 4:57 Cable Lifters Made A Difference part 1 5:31 Cable Lifters Made A Difference part 2 9:08 High-End Inakustic Cable Lifters 10:28 DIY Cable Lifters 13:28 Will it work for everyone? related videos: I Tried Out High-End Audio Cables That Claim To Be Built With Science: ua-cam.com/video/xzoDNh5XYVY/v-deo.html Scientist Finds Measurable Difference in HIFI Audiophile Cables ! PROOF: ua-cam.com/video/a4R6I_TtKQQ/v-deo.html Hi-fi BLIND A/B test - Super Expensive vs Cheap Speaker cable !: ua-cam.com/video/HJGw8zwx-6g/v-deo.html Support on Patreon: www.patreon.com/jayiyagi follow on Instagram: instagram.com/jays_iyagi/ follow on Facebook: facebook.com/jayiyagiofficial Follow soundstage take 2 reviews: ua-cam.com/play/PLPOzvlhtSqn5xdc__ftuSt4Rxy_wm5Af0.html *My Daily Components (All Tested And Proved To Work in Blind Tests)* Fancy speaker stands I use: shop-links.co/choe8oQHC9w Speaker stands I use (budget): amzn.to/3ssRhI3 Desktop Speaker Stands I Use: shop-links.co/chofc1R7mpT acoustic panels I use: ua-acoustics.com/ acoustic curtain: amzn.to/31d1zAM my fav hifi tweaks: (Isoacoustics devices) amzn.to/3j5FGvM Speaker Isolation Feet I Use: shop-links.co/choffy3csSK Turntable Isolation I Use: shop-links.co/chofgeNORJP Component Isolation I Use: shop-links.co/chofhTC3wc7
@@bubbelchampagne I wouldn’t know. It’s done by a 3rd party. What was your comment? They don’t make many mistakes so your comment might have been what I described.
Both we are retarded thinking this works. lol we are humans with shittest hearing and as we get older our hearing gets worse. We pay more for nostalgia lol get a hearing test and see what you can actually hear
Cable lifters are ridiculous if you ask me. I do believe keeping cables away from each other can cut down on magnetic interference, but decent cables should prevent that problem. Never bundle your cables would be good advice. I tried lifting my cables last year and heard absolutely no difference, but I did feel like a fool. 🙉🙉
If it makes a difference to you then you do you. I don't know why ppl get upset about these things, its not being forced on them. Just enjoy what makes you happy.
As an acoustician I don't get it. In the beginning I liked your content pretty much but that changed over time. For me it looks like chasing the dragon and people could spend their money way better than cable lifters. I don't get it why people which don't know much about acoustics or audiology and espacially the audiophile community do stuff like that. And that's a serious question. Why is that religious?
I get it man. This type of stuff in my opinion is (as I implied in the video) best explored when you have the room acoustics and other stuff all settled down. And even then if it is not worth exploring or trying or you tried and didn't find much difference, etc... then you move on. I don't believe in spending silly money on such things especially when that money can be spent elsewhere in upgrading the system
I think cable raisers make a difference. Makes your system look cool and makes your uneducated friends think you know about audio even that makes no audible difference.
Jay, I am only two minutes into this video, and I want to give you kudos already for your intro. Your sincerity shines through the screen. Just wanted to let you know that. Good topic. I'm curious to know your observations, so I'm off to watch the rest of your vid now. Cheers! :D
You said you didn't hear a difference while blind A/B testing but could hear a difference when you knew you were using the cable lifters. Could it be that you didn't hear a difference but your brain told you there was a difference? The brain does that kind of tricks.
Hey Ricardo. Very possible and I have no intentions to hide that possibility. But two things to consider; 1. First, ive done blind tests where I did pass. Could it be erroneous? Absolutely 2. Even if there was no “real” difference, it looks cool and if I think theres a difference, I am getting more enjoyment (endorphins) from doing such things. So at the end of the day, it’s all up for debate but do what makes you happy
Good idea, I will try it as well. Not sure about the results, too much dampening in my experience is not good, but the results could vary depending on the strength of the rubber bands as well.
I think Danny imprinted on Jay, GR-R cables with the rope inside them, now cable lifters! Next Jay is gonna say “Hey Everybody” “say no to cheesy parts”
My speaker cables are 2 feet long to my mono blocks and they don't even touch the floor. In my case according to your theory (microphonics) these lifters would be a detriment if I used them.
🤔Can Anybody pls Explain what is AudioQuest is talking about SureGrip300 Beryllium copper vs SureGrip500 Purple Copper vs SureGrip1000 Red copper. What is AudioQuest trying to Say what the Difference!! Details Explain pls😥
try painting them pastel colors it makes a huge difference, start with a red shade closest to the amp then orange, yellow, green, blue, ect as you get closer to the speakers,
What? everybody knows that you have to go backward through the color spectrum to lower the interference! JK, I may be not sure they work, but I do know it makes for a cleaner presentation than just having them strung on the floor.
When hifi becomes an obsession. Just put music on and listen to some music After all that's what it's really for. Audiophiles is a name for obsessive music, mechanical & audio behaviour. Listening to your favourite band should be the core of hi fi users. Maybe some ear bud cleaners as a cheap upgrade. If you want get your cables off the floor tack them to the skirting board.
I saw and heard a system at a friends house where the cables were suspended .......we did not undo to compare but it sounded nice and without stress ..........even the interconnects were floating and he told me it made a difference in the good way to the music....... No scientific proof as do so many other things in life make a difference without scientific proof !!!!!! BUT science grows out of what is OBSERVATION !!!!!!!!!! ....we often do forget that and as so many still believe that .....and state that when it measures the same ........it sounds the same..............resistors, amplifiers, capacitors, integrated circuit boards, interconnects , connectors etc................We know that NO different component does sound the same as long as the electronics are capable to express these differences .............changing a transistor or a tube does indeed not make a big difference or even not at all in a highly processed circuit mass produced and with a lot of FB loops...........but that is not our way of experiencing our passion, the simpler the system , the less processing ,the more only ONE component change will make an audible difference ...... by revealing the flavour of its sonic caracter , just like the cuisine of a chef cook , all is in the synergy and the right amounts of the spices he uses and mixes.........versus the uniform and standard with the taste processed food of mass consumption fast food from MC Donald .......
I bought air-tight rubber balloons that don't deflate, filled them with helium and tied them to the speaker cables with non-vibrating string. The result is incredible, as if the entire audio system has disappeared.
My snake oil idea is that directly twisted joined crossover components sound better than soldered crossovers. 😅 I heard a difference. Soldered joints sound brittle in comparison.
I use cable lifters, whether they make a difference is debatable. They were cheap, $135 bucks for 10 lifters, and they do make the system look better from as aesthetic point of view. If there is any difference, possibly a smoother sound with tighter imaging, the improvements are very small. But it doesn't matter, providing you don't break the bank with them, why not give them a try, it is not going to hurt!🙂 ,
@@Steve-mp7by Much smoother. In fact, my once holographic imaging has now become a 3 dimensional visual of the respective bands that are playing. The room gets very full when the entire orchestra shows up!
An even quicker & cheaper way to try this is to use the cardboard tubes from toilet rolls. Just quash one end, cut a V with scissors and then restore the tube shape. I tried these for the first time when friend was visiting, and we were both amazed that we heard a clear difference. If you try it and hear the difference too then you can find a more elegant solution - but to check the concept toilet roll tubes work just fine.
@@andrewaajohnson7584 I save money by cutting lengths of old garden hose. They insulate the signal and provide air around the cable to prevent resonance. Had I known about this sooner I would have kept my original Sounddesign stereo from the early 70's. They improve the width and depth of the soundstage, provide separation between instruments in the holographic image we're all looking for and the garden green looks great in my listening room. They look very expensive when you buff polish the cut ends. As well, I also noticed a significant improvement in the power of my amp. Previously, there must have been a huge loss of power draining into the floor.
Love the lifters, hey if they can make a difference. It’s great how people get so upset at someone pursuing their hobby and using their own money to do so 😂
And here I am with my speaker cables going through the attic for my living room setup wondering if it is affecting it somehow even though I am not using expensive cables.....
Come on JAY. You claim the reasoning for lifters are to stop microphonics and then you say that only some cables are affected. If a speaker cable conductor is suitable to carry an audio signal (frequencies) then it sure can carry "microphonics". All amplification in a system comes before the amps output, so how do these tiny vibrations (microphonics) possibly make any sound come out of your speakers? All of these ridiculous ideas (to rip off people for large sums of money) are based on a modicum of truth, yet not pertinent to the situation. If you have microphonic noise going into the very low level signal in your DAC, then you might have a reasonable argument, because that low level signal will be amplified hundreds of times louder. Do you hear a microphonic noise come out of your speakers if you stomp really hard and vibrate the floor (much stronger than a speaker would), when your amp is on (idling) or off? Of course not and it is just as ridiculous to claim that you hear amplified microphonics from a speaker cable that is connected passed all amplification stages. Microphonics are real, but the affect on speaker wires is silly. You keep talking about how you are very scientific minded, but how can you be with regards to electrical circuits when you clearly don't understand how an audio signal moves from the source to the speakers. I am not "angry" and I won't call it "snake oil", but I will always call out misinformation or disinformation (especially in this crazy age). Is it really a bad thing to want to help people not blindly believe in irrational nonsense, where shady people will take their money on useless products. I don't doubt that you perceived a difference between lifters and no lifters (although not consistent by your own admission), but science can explain why this happens. The science of psychology is very aware of our (humans) plethora of personal biases. The placebo effect can really fool us into believing unscientific nonsense. Especially if a person wasted $5000 on magical cables. They will really want to hear a positive difference and the placebo effect will happily oblige. Speakers can resonate objects (like our eardrums) through the air, so how are you going to stop microphonics from still getting on your speaker wires? If you like the looks and "feel" that you hear a positive difference, then good for you, but I am still going to call out such nonsense because I my understanding of electronics and science is clearly broader than yours. I don't get sucked into the nonsense of "skin effect" in audio band cables, because I know that skin effect is only a problem well into the megahertz range. Yet another example of how the charlatans take a tidbit of truth and use it in a nonapplicable scenario (audio bandwidth) to fool people out of their money. It's deceptive and disgusting.
Hi Gord. Despite your claim, you do sound angry. Especially if you are making bunch of assumptions to reinforce your affirmation bias when you can simply try yourself and move on if it makes no difference for your system. I never claimed lifters to make a sonic difference because they stop microphonic. In fact I am unsure to what the reasoning is and hypothesized (very different from making an assertive statement) that as possibly one of the reasons as many cable lifters have that as a feature (could it be all in my head as you said? Possibly but you cannot claim that either unless you come and examine my brain activity) and even if it was all in my head… im getting more enjoyment out of it (endorphins) so who are you to sit at a high horse and look down on what I do for my happiness and enjoyment? Your comment is fine until you start sitting at a high horse and making assumptions as to how much better you are than me. You made a judgment based on assumptions risen from the fact that I tried and used these tweaks that are deemed unscientific. I know many engineers, professionals and PhD that subscribe to cables and lifters even if it does not make sense to them with their background. It is because they don’t try to understand everything and admit to not knowing everything. I guess the phrase “the more you know, the more you realize how little you know” is repeated by many experts for a reason. Thanks for the lengthy message and I appreciate your knowledge and notion of wanting to know the causations for such experiences that cannot be measured or simply explained. I have no intentions of misleading you or anyone. I have not put out information outside of my experiences. (Microphonic being a feature of many cable riser part was a fact - again, not saying that is what causes changes or a reason to use lifters) In fact, I do not try to sell anything expensive in this video at all… I humbly ask you to step down from your high horse as nobody gave you the right to sit on that throne other than your ego.
@@Jayiyagi Great reply to Gord. Individuals with any level (high or low) of intelligence can have an inflated ego and sense of self importance. Best to ignore. You do a great job of describing your personal journey. If Gord tried cable lifters and made no difference in his system, just related that experience in a calm adult manner. You are not twisting arms or claim to be single authority for all things audio (like another UA-camr). Gord and others of the same stripe remind me of Sheldon - "Oh, Oh, Oh, somebody on the Internet is wrong".
You're (& Lots off others) are being Audio appearance Eye Candy bling Deluded !! ...Connect up a Properly configured Null Differential Test set across Both speaker Terminals playing Any audio tone signal or Music with 1 wire pair Elevated & other speaker Lying direct on Floor.....Turn gains Up & Listen for Any tones, music or Static.....You will Certainly Not hear Any -80 db down sound from Null Test set assuring Total Inaudible to Human ears Playing any test Tone or Musical signals....In other words, You have Proven to Your eyes & Ears there's No Difference between the 2 speaker Cables....
Lego's!!! Yes, they're expensive but, they're virtually indestructible. I too dream of cable lifters! I am lost trying to describe "no difference". No difference sounds so different!
I tried this (cable lifter with some Jenga pieces) with one speaker (left) and did an A/B comparison with the right speaker and measured before and after with REW. I had my wife and two teenage kids participate too and did not tell them what I had done. Everything level matched playing the same content and test tones. I could not tell a difference. Measurements unchanged. My wife thought the left speaker (Jenga) sounded slightly better and my two kids picked the right one (non lifted). I think it had more to do with the room and their seating position than anything else. It is what it is, you be you.
Power cables are buried in the ground; running through studs, down the studs, across ceiling joists and god knows where else. To think that lifting them off the ground for a few feet at the end of a run just doesn't seem to make any plausible sense when you factor in the rest of the chain. The fact of the matter is the power of suggestion is very strong with humans and if you are expecting a change then you will eventually find one. Focusing on the music or whatever can easily reveal details you may never had heard before. Slight shifts in positioning while listening can change the results... There are just way too many variables that can easily explain any perceived difference. I'm not disputing you heard what you heard. I'm actually sure you did. Whether lifting the cables is what caused it is open for debate.
Well, I'm on the fence with cable lifters and I decided to use rebar chairs. They come in different sizes and are dirt cheap. Grip-Rite brand at Home Depot, $6.10 for 20 pcs.
Thanks for the video, if you said a good shielded cable makes cable lifters have less of an audible difference, does that mean those shielded cables alone sound similar to the nicer cables you use, and would it be better to just get shielded cables for majority of users out there without perfect setups?
I bet Amir will love this one. All kidding aside, really enjoy watching your videos. Your Denafrips Terminator + & Holo May video helped me make a big decision!
I see the Inakustics and think hair bands! - A circular(if poss) base, two upright dowels with a notch and a hairband crossing the gap - some refinements to be had though I think this could be a good start.
You know how in school we learn of how electricity flows in wires as a hose with marbles in it or water. Apparently technically that's not true and really it's the magnetic field surrounding the wire that carries the energy. I'm not a physicist but I guess in theory a changing magnetic field like in AC can interact with dielectric materials like concrete, magnetize it and alter that signal. Like I personally don't think it makes a difference, but I'm open to the idea that at least scientifically it could.
Hey, if people can give money to a place that believes in an all-powerful invisible guy in the sky, then people can give money to places that sell cable lifters. To each their own, and whatever makes you happy. One's perception is one's reality.
Cable lifters only really make sense if you equip all cables with them - even those for video and TV! You will not only hear the difference, but also see it.
Wow so many troll's. Not vodoo at all my guess is so many ' experts ' that have tin ears I have been an audiofile for 48 year's have had many systems and tried many cables connectors and speaker wires they do make a difference. So do lifters its really just about getting your cables off the floor. I use medium sized Pine cones😮 yes pine cones. How does it change my system? more AIR less congestion better sound stage. I also dont coil the run. You do have to experiment and my own experience if different from yours as gettingy cables off the carpert really sound better. It comes down to those who have tin ears and simply either dont hear the difference or arent skilled enough to understand what they are hearing. I have had friends over and switched components like CD players that really sounded different in a big way to my ears and had them say they couldn't hear the difference.
Hi Jay and guys - it looks to me like the cables you're showing here are the GR Research - that's a good sign! I'm using Kimber Crystal 24 and have them lifted on home-made oak 7" or 17cm lifters and must say, I heard a big difference. Faster transients, more energy in high top end, better instrument definition ans soundstage. My floor is concrete with oak parquet. In the floor are water tubes for underfloor heating. Also of critical importance is isolating the speakers from the floor. I'm toying with the idea of getting GR Research, either as main cable or as a biwire option. For the length i need it would still be quite pricey though so i'm hanging back. I dont know what improvement if any i would see over the Kimber Crystal 24. Construction-wise I think only the cotton rope and the RAM distinguish the GRR from the Kimber. Does anyone have any experience of this comparison? All the best, Rob in Switzerland
Cheap diy option makes a lot of sense here, especially as the effect is small and uncertain. The technology need not be fancy and expensive ones are a rip-off imo
you know, people always talk about snake oil but i don't think anyone sells actual snake oil for audio. I think that might be a possible product. cable lifters to me look cool.
Interesting video Jay. They certainly improve the aesthetics. I’d consider trying this. I’d certainly not belittle your experiences as they’re yours. If you hear a difference then that’s what matters. Some cables do seem more microphonic than others and a hard floor is likely to pick up much more noise than carpeted, so there’s probably something in this.
Its a capacitance effect between the cable and the floor. Not just the conductivity of the floor, but also whatever is the dielectric constant and other dielectric properties of the flooring material. Bigger diameter/surface-area-per-length cables tend to be affected more because they have greater capacitive coupling to objects in the near environment such as flooring. Only a relatively small increase in distance between a cable and the flooring (a few inches) drastically reduces capacitance coupling and related effects.
This Hobby is for everyone. Have fun and experiment. Lets not keep negative comments and angry/violent commenters keep us from being on their own fun audio journey. Keep it up Jay. Frederick
For anyone who wants to see if cable lifters make a difference in your system. A completely free way to try, is to use a rubber band and 3 chopsticks to make a tripod. If you build a few and set them up and they make a difference then you can invest in something nicer. If they don't work in your system then you aren't out anything but the 5 minutes it takes to assemble and set up. I hope this helps someone.
I want to share my experience and I want you to just try this: Get a pair of 5" Tang Band or Fostex or any other good single drivers. Make a tower box and make a speaker hole near the top of the box for the single driver. Before mounting the driver put this in the speaker hole, a 5" diameter piece of tubing (poly pipe) 2" long (it's more a ring than a tube). And glue it in the speaker hole (like a short bass vent tube). Mount the single driver about 20 mm (3/4") above the speaker hole so there is an air gap between the driver and the speaker hole. Use oversize screws and use soft thin sprinkler hose for spacers (around the screws) and compress the hose a little with the screw to secure the driver. Make the acoustic gap between the driver and the box a bit smaller at the top of the driver so the driver is tipped up a little when mounted. A crossover filter is an option that I made but it's very subtle cos the acoustics does most of the EQ (but I like perfection so I have a filter). You will hear a vast difference with the semi open driver to a regular close driver mounting for sure (and in a good way, I reckon and others who heard them reckon). And you might love the difference! So please try it cos to me it's at another level! I want to share this (not repress it like innovations seem to, through copyright). I hear voices in my room that startles me cos I get tricked into thinking someone is in the room when it's in my speakers. It happened several times (lost count). I actually physically turn around when that happens. And sometimes I have to turn it down to find out if a sound is coming from outside or from the speakers. Once I heard a loud low passing jet aircraft and I looked out the window and there was no plane and I was still searching out the window while my speakers were less than a meter from me. And it took several seconds before I realised the jet was the speakers (even when they were that close to me). If this is true (and you love sound) then you would be a mug not to try it. Especially when it's about as cheap as your made cable raisers. And I get so much enjoyment and amazing emersive experience from the semi open, semi dipole speakers and I want to share this experience (not suppress it). They absolutely smoke my reference speakers (B&W 706s) with female voice, piano and brass band. I lent my speakers to an audiophile friend and I asked him 2 questions: Do they sound "different"? And he said yes. Did you like the difference? And he said yes.
I would really like to try this. A picture would be great. You say make a 5inch hole at the top of the box. Glue in the 5inch pipe/ring and then mount the speaker 20mm above that. So the speaker does not go in ‘the speaker hole’? Sorry I may be a bit thick.
A car analogy: cable lifters are like the faux hood scoops people used to buy at Pep Boys and stick on the hoods of their cars. Fact: they did NOT improve performance. Also fact: some people liked the way they looked. Some other people pointed fingers and poked fun, but the folks with the fake scoops didn't care; they were doing what made them happy. The fake scoop folks knew it was all just for looks; they didn't make up reasons for how the scoops magically improved engine performance. And the scoop companies didn't claim any such gains. Everyone agreed it's just for decoration, which is fine because no one was being fooled. But as evidenced in Jay's video and the comments here, there are all sorts of armchair theories as to how lifters offer real, audible benefits. Terms like "blind AB test" are being casually used without any real evidence for back-up. People are being misled, which is fast becoming a trend in social media and in other arenas (medicine, science, politics), and this why it's a touchy topic for some. While there's no harm in using cable lifters for decoration, pushing the idea that lifters offer actual sonic benefits is the very reason we have companies selling them for hundreds or thousands of dollars. To be clear, I'm not against cable lifters - I'm against false narratives that empower predatory markets.
I had my son print some for me with his 3d printer but my first test was with toilet paper tubes. I can hear a difference (minor) but I can't tell you if it is better for worse... Just a little different. Results can be adjusted by how much of the cable is suspended. Also, most of your theory was around vibration but I have read it may be capacitance is the change. Some designs say you ideally need about 3" of lift. Someone should be able to measure this to validate.
Cable lifters make a little more sense when you understand electricity flows thru magnetic fields. It could be that the cable being on the floor effects the magnetic fields, lifting the cable off the floor could make these fields more even around the diameter of the cable. This would make sense that cables with less shielding see better results with the lifters.
Let me put a bit of science behind this. Something of a possible causal explanation. Some time ago while in audio sales I sold a line of custom cables that included cable for balanced audio use. They had the normally designed two wire with shield in a jacket. But they also had the same wires with cotton string between them in a jacket. They measured exactly the same. But especially for microphones and guitars, the bouncing of the cable on the ground was microphonic in the cable without the physical absorption from the cotton string. Demoed as simple as laying the two side by side and stomping on them through an amp. You could hear the physical vibration in the regular one. A dynamic physical change in distance between wires. Now exactly how much those vibrations would affect at those higher voltages at speaker level? But lower impedance. And it would be across the length of the wire. Not just the stomp point. And yes absorbed by carpet.
Hey bud as someone who's not old and can hear dog whistles there's literally difference between on the ground or lifted unless your floors have current running through them
Probably lifters can also help cables stay clean off the floor too or prevent scratching. I guess if you like to switch up cables a lot and keep them in like new condition to sell them it’s cool
I love it..you're going down the deep deepest deepity-deep wormhole of the audiophile black-box...and I'm here for it. Because the super dooper high money audiophiles all use lifters! I need to understand why they do...and I'm glad you're covering it
I like how it looks! Okay Jay, lay it on thick! (What do you think the science is behind it?) My thought is it isolates against "ground" not the ground or the floor-- if that makes any sense. Was there any fairy dust snorted in the making of this video? Thumbs up Jay.
I’m not dumping on anyone who has an engineering/ science background- I’ve been there myself. But simply put, there’s a LOT of science going on in the audio field that we just don’t fully understand, or cannot measure yet. The human auditory system is an extremely complex interface. I’m glad that you are open-minded, and I truly hope that it’s contagious.
It was measured by a guy from Indonesia. I’m no electrical engineer so I don’t fully understand what the measurements mean. He’s not saying because there’s a difference hence the sound is affected but rather he says it’s interesting that there is something happening. I’ll try to find that video.
Actually...there is absolute scientific proof and the ability to measure this if you know what you are doing... I have the equipment and technical background to understand and make the measurements these other guys don't. Just because they bought an Audio Precision doesn't automatically make any one an expert.
My Rotel-RMB100 mono blocks are right underneath my NHT SB3 so the cables don't even touch the ground. it was still an interesting watch, have a great day.
I used paper coffee cups and they worked well. I cut a little V in the bottom and put the wider top side down. Sounded great. Was like I am promoting Tim Hortons coffee in my audio room!
interesting results. I wonder if you have the opportunity to do some C & L measurements with or without lifters? There was a posting a few years ago and this guy had a floor that increased the capacitance of his cables so the lifter worked by reducing it back to where the manufactures design meant it to be as they said it sounded better with the lifters.
since when has any audiophool done measurements? they judge gear based on how expensive it is and how many false claims the manufacturer makes on the website
Jay, a face of sincerity in your story that absolutely motivated me to try it (I had been considering it for a while). but what motivates me the most is that when you can't change your gear every now and then, going for small significant positive changes is the point.
*Hey guys, thank you for stopping by to hear my experience, journey, and story in Audio. I would love to hear about your experiences as well in the comments. However I would like to keep the comment section a civil, safe and positive space; All snake oil comments and/or non-civil negativity will be filtered and deleted. Thank you for your understanding*
*edit: I noticed that some are commenting that I proposed "microphonic" for a reason to use cable lifters. I apologize if the communication wasn't clear; I DO NOT know the cause for my experience and all reasoning are speculations at best based on my experience, I am merely sharing them. I am not suggesting it is microphonic or any other reasons as to why I hear a difference. It is a fact that microphonic is in consideration with many market cable lifters and thus why I decided to add sorbothane to my lifters but the primary reason for using sorbothane was for it to stop slipping around and help me better route/organize the cables.*
Links to products in this video:
Pot holder cable lifters (non-affiliate): www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001792662246.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.39e938dahMYazH&mp=1
Isolation pads (affiliate) amzn.to/3R7UKZm
Inakustic Cable Lifters (non-affiliate): www.in-akustik.de/en/cables-and-accessories/speaker-cable/accessories/reference-cable-base-00719223-ls/?no_cache=1&cHash=1d813cb6a390734f1a1fd2630eeb980e
0:00 Disclaimer
2:00 First Experience with Cable Lifters
4:45 Cable Lifters Did Not Make A Difference
4:57 Cable Lifters Made A Difference part 1
5:31 Cable Lifters Made A Difference part 2
9:08 High-End Inakustic Cable Lifters
10:28 DIY Cable Lifters
13:28 Will it work for everyone?
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So, if I disagree with you, you won't let anyone see my comment?
@@ScottGrammer of course not. There’s a difference between disagreeing with me and trolling/nasty comments.
@@Jayiyagi Then why did you delete my comments? 🤣
@@bubbelchampagne I wouldn’t know. It’s done by a 3rd party. What was your comment?
They don’t make many mistakes so your comment might have been what I described.
Not sure what’s more crazy, cable lifters, or the fact I just watched a video about cable lifters 😅
depends how far you made it through the video
Or the fact that I read your comment and reply to the lifter-nonsense. 😅
Both we are retarded thinking this works. lol we are humans with shittest hearing and as we get older our hearing gets worse. We pay more for nostalgia lol get a hearing test and see what you can actually hear
Even crazier is the fact that you didn’t try with your ears (or did you?)
Cable lifters are ridiculous if you ask me. I do believe keeping cables away from each other can cut down on magnetic interference, but decent cables should prevent that problem. Never bundle your cables would be good advice. I tried lifting my cables last year and heard absolutely no difference, but I did feel like a fool. 🙉🙉
"Do you even lift your cables, bro?"
I just use toilet rolls and I heard a difference😂😂😂
If it makes a difference to you then you do you. I don't know why ppl get upset about these things, its not being forced on them. Just enjoy what makes you happy.
The reason why people get peeved is because other 3rd party people can market it for profit and spreading misleading information.
But it literally doesn't make a difference, I guarantee if someone snuck in put everything on the ground he would literally not notice a change
There is another reason to have them. A Stick vacuum slides neatly under them. That is a win.
As an acoustician I don't get it.
In the beginning I liked your content pretty much but that changed over time. For me it looks like chasing the dragon and people could spend their money way better than cable lifters. I don't get it why people which don't know much about acoustics or audiology and espacially the audiophile community do stuff like that. And that's a serious question.
Why is that religious?
I get it man. This type of stuff in my opinion is (as I implied in the video) best explored when you have the room acoustics and other stuff all settled down. And even then if it is not worth exploring or trying or you tried and didn't find much difference, etc... then you move on. I don't believe in spending silly money on such things especially when that money can be spent elsewhere in upgrading the system
I even lift my headphone's cables to not make contact with anything :)
I think cable raisers make a difference. Makes your system look cool and makes your uneducated friends think you know about audio even that makes no audible difference.
Jay, I am only two minutes into this video, and I want to give you kudos already for your intro. Your sincerity shines through the screen. Just wanted to let you know that. Good topic. I'm curious to know your observations, so I'm off to watch the rest of your vid now. Cheers! :D
Not what I was expecting when I searched for "cable management".
You said you didn't hear a difference while blind A/B testing but could hear a difference when you knew you were using the cable lifters. Could it be that you didn't hear a difference but your brain told you there was a difference? The brain does that kind of tricks.
Hey Ricardo. Very possible and I have no intentions to hide that possibility.
But two things to consider;
1. First, ive done blind tests where I did pass. Could it be erroneous? Absolutely
2. Even if there was no “real” difference, it looks cool and if I think theres a difference, I am getting more enjoyment (endorphins) from doing such things.
So at the end of the day, it’s all up for debate but do what makes you happy
Hey Jay,
What about two elastic bands on your wooden "lifters" pot holders 😉 to do a top isolation like the metal design.
Good idea, I will try it as well. Not sure about the results, too much dampening in my experience is not good, but the results could vary depending on the strength of the rubber bands as well.
I think Danny imprinted on Jay, GR-R cables with the rope inside them, now cable lifters! Next Jay is gonna say “Hey Everybody” “say no to cheesy parts”
... damn sand-cast resistors ...
SonicCaps 👍
And what would be wrong with that?
Great to use some of Danny's wisdom and experience that can not be measured but can be heard ...
@@pkats9093 nothing wrong, I also follow Danny’s doctrine.
My speaker cables are 2 feet long to my mono blocks and they don't even touch the floor. In my case according to your theory (microphonics) these lifters would be a detriment if I used them.
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try painting them pastel colors it makes a huge difference, start with a red shade closest to the amp then orange, yellow, green, blue, ect as you get closer to the speakers,
What? everybody knows that you have to go backward through the color spectrum to lower the interference! JK, I may be not sure they work, but I do know it makes for a cleaner presentation than just having them strung on the floor.
When hifi becomes an obsession. Just put music on and listen to some music After all that's what it's really for. Audiophiles is a name for obsessive music, mechanical & audio behaviour. Listening to your favourite band should be the core of hi fi users. Maybe some ear bud cleaners as a cheap upgrade. If you want get your cables off the floor tack them to the skirting board.
I saw and heard a system at a friends house where the cables were suspended .......we did not undo to compare but it sounded nice and without stress ..........even the interconnects were floating and he told me it made a difference in the good way to the music.......
No scientific proof as do so many other things in life make a difference without scientific proof !!!!!!
BUT science grows out of what is OBSERVATION !!!!!!!!!! ....we often do forget that and as so many still believe that .....and state that when it measures the same ........it sounds the same..............resistors, amplifiers, capacitors, integrated circuit boards, interconnects , connectors etc................We know that NO different component does sound the same as long as the electronics are capable to express these differences .............changing a transistor or a tube does indeed not make a big difference or even not at all in a highly processed circuit mass produced and with a lot of FB loops...........but that is not our way of experiencing our passion, the simpler the system , the less processing ,the more only ONE component change will make an audible difference ...... by revealing the flavour of its sonic caracter , just like the cuisine of a chef cook , all is in the synergy and the right amounts of the spices he uses and mixes.........versus the uniform and standard with the taste processed food of mass consumption fast food from MC Donald .......
I bought air-tight rubber balloons that don't deflate, filled them with helium and tied them to the speaker cables with non-vibrating string. The result is incredible, as if the entire audio system has disappeared.
My snake oil idea is that directly twisted joined crossover components sound better than soldered crossovers. 😅 I heard a difference. Soldered joints sound brittle in comparison.
Jay , please specify how and where audibly sound got better , please be detailed ....
I use cable lifters, whether they make a difference is debatable. They were cheap, $135 bucks for 10 lifters, and they do make the system look better from as aesthetic point of view. If there is any difference, possibly a smoother sound with tighter imaging, the improvements are very small. But it doesn't matter, providing you don't break the bank with them, why not give them a try, it is not going to hurt!🙂
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Smoother sound with tighter imaging? 🤣
@@Steve-mp7by Much smoother. In fact, my once holographic imaging has now become a 3 dimensional visual of the respective bands that are playing. The room gets very full when the entire orchestra shows up!
@@zizendorf 🤣
That's not cheap goofy 😂
@@Steve-mp7bythere's no way this man is serious 🤣🤣
An even quicker & cheaper way to try this is to use the cardboard tubes from toilet rolls. Just quash one end, cut a V with scissors and then restore the tube shape. I tried these for the first time when friend was visiting, and we were both amazed that we heard a clear difference. If you try it and hear the difference too then you can find a more elegant solution - but to check the concept toilet roll tubes work just fine.
If you used the whole toilet roll would that help absorb ground borne vibrations ? 🤔👍
@@andrewaajohnson7584 I save money by cutting lengths of old garden hose. They insulate the signal and provide air around the cable to prevent resonance. Had I known about this sooner I would have kept my original Sounddesign stereo from the early 70's. They improve the width and depth of the soundstage, provide separation between instruments in the holographic image we're all looking for and the garden green looks great in my listening room. They look very expensive when you buff polish the cut ends. As well, I also noticed a significant improvement in the power of my amp. Previously, there must have been a huge loss of power draining into the floor.
Love the lifters, hey if they can make a difference.
It’s great how people get so upset at someone pursuing their hobby and using their own money to do so 😂
can we just use toilet paper rolls for lifter? run the cable throught the center it almost act like an extra choke
Faith can move mountains....
And here I am with my speaker cables going through the attic for my living room setup wondering if it is affecting it somehow even though I am not using expensive cables.....
Come on JAY. You claim the reasoning for lifters are to stop microphonics and then you say that only some cables are affected. If a speaker cable conductor is suitable to carry an audio signal (frequencies) then it sure can carry "microphonics". All amplification in a system comes before the amps output, so how do these tiny vibrations (microphonics) possibly make any sound come out of your speakers? All of these ridiculous ideas (to rip off people for large sums of money) are based on a modicum of truth, yet not pertinent to the situation. If you have microphonic noise going into the very low level signal in your DAC, then you might have a reasonable argument, because that low level signal will be amplified hundreds of times louder.
Do you hear a microphonic noise come out of your speakers if you stomp really hard and vibrate the floor (much stronger than a speaker would), when your amp is on (idling) or off? Of course not and it is just as ridiculous to claim that you hear amplified microphonics from a speaker cable that is connected passed all amplification stages.
Microphonics are real, but the affect on speaker wires is silly. You keep talking about how you are very scientific minded, but how can you be with regards to electrical circuits when you clearly don't understand how an audio signal moves from the source to the speakers.
I am not "angry" and I won't call it "snake oil", but I will always call out misinformation or disinformation (especially in this crazy age). Is it really a bad thing to want to help people not blindly believe in irrational nonsense, where shady people will take their money on useless products.
I don't doubt that you perceived a difference between lifters and no lifters (although not consistent by your own admission), but science can explain why this happens. The science of psychology is very aware of our (humans) plethora of personal biases. The placebo effect can really fool us into believing unscientific nonsense. Especially if a person wasted $5000 on magical cables. They will really want to hear a positive difference and the placebo effect will happily oblige.
Speakers can resonate objects (like our eardrums) through the air, so how are you going to stop microphonics from still getting on your speaker wires? If you like the looks and "feel" that you hear a positive difference, then good for you, but I am still going to call out such nonsense because I my understanding of electronics and science is clearly broader than yours. I don't get sucked into the nonsense of "skin effect" in audio band cables, because I know that skin effect is only a problem well into the megahertz range. Yet another example of how the charlatans take a tidbit of truth and use it in a nonapplicable scenario (audio bandwidth) to fool people out of their money. It's deceptive and disgusting.
Hi Gord. Despite your claim, you do sound angry. Especially if you are making bunch of assumptions to reinforce your affirmation bias when you can simply try yourself and move on if it makes no difference for your system. I never claimed lifters to make a sonic difference because they stop microphonic. In fact I am unsure to what the reasoning is and hypothesized (very different from making an assertive statement) that as possibly one of the reasons as many cable lifters have that as a feature (could it be all in my head as you said? Possibly but you cannot claim that either unless you come and examine my brain activity) and even if it was all in my head… im getting more enjoyment out of it (endorphins) so who are you to sit at a high horse and look down on what I do for my happiness and enjoyment?
Your comment is fine until you start sitting at a high horse and making assumptions as to how much better you are than me. You made a judgment based on assumptions risen from the fact that I tried and used these tweaks that are deemed unscientific. I know many engineers, professionals and PhD that subscribe to cables and lifters even if it does not make sense to them with their background. It is because they don’t try to understand everything and admit to not knowing everything. I guess the phrase “the more you know, the more you realize how little you know” is repeated by many experts for a reason.
Thanks for the lengthy message and I appreciate your knowledge and notion of wanting to know the causations for such experiences that cannot be measured or simply explained. I have no intentions of misleading you or anyone. I have not put out information outside of my experiences. (Microphonic being a feature of many cable riser part was a fact - again, not saying that is what causes changes or a reason to use lifters) In fact, I do not try to sell anything expensive in this video at all… I humbly ask you to step down from your high horse as nobody gave you the right to sit on that throne other than your ego.
The idea behind this is that speakers cables act as capacitors, and air is the best thing to dump that energy into.
@@Jayiyagi Great reply to Gord. Individuals with any level (high or low) of intelligence can have an inflated ego and sense of self importance. Best to ignore. You do a great job of describing your personal journey. If Gord tried cable lifters and made no difference in his system, just related that experience in a calm adult manner. You are not twisting arms or claim to be single authority for all things audio (like another UA-camr). Gord and others of the same stripe remind me of Sheldon - "Oh, Oh, Oh, somebody on the Internet is wrong".
Experiment with your system off the grid!
You're (& Lots off others) are being Audio appearance Eye Candy bling Deluded !! ...Connect up a Properly configured Null Differential Test set across Both speaker Terminals playing Any audio tone signal or Music with 1 wire pair Elevated & other speaker Lying direct on Floor.....Turn gains Up & Listen for Any tones, music or Static.....You will Certainly Not hear Any -80 db down sound from Null Test set assuring Total Inaudible to Human ears Playing any test Tone or Musical signals....In other words, You have Proven to Your eyes & Ears there's No Difference between the 2 speaker Cables....
Lego's!!! Yes, they're expensive but, they're virtually indestructible. I too dream of cable lifters! I am lost trying to describe "no difference". No difference sounds so different!
I tried this (cable lifter with some Jenga pieces) with one speaker (left) and did an A/B comparison with the right speaker and measured before and after with REW. I had my wife and two teenage kids participate too and did not tell them what I had done. Everything level matched playing the same content and test tones. I could not tell a difference. Measurements unchanged. My wife thought the left speaker (Jenga) sounded slightly better and my two kids picked the right one (non lifted). I think it had more to do with the room and their seating position than anything else. It is what it is, you be you.
Believe your wife. Women (in general) have better hearing.
I guarantee she couldn't hear the difference just saying something you wanted to hear so you'd leave her alone about your stupid audio stuff 😂
Power cables are buried in the ground; running through studs, down the studs, across ceiling joists and god knows where else. To think that lifting them off the ground for a few feet at the end of a run just doesn't seem to make any plausible sense when you factor in the rest of the chain. The fact of the matter is the power of suggestion is very strong with humans and if you are expecting a change then you will eventually find one. Focusing on the music or whatever can easily reveal details you may never had heard before. Slight shifts in positioning while listening can change the results...
There are just way too many variables that can easily explain any perceived difference.
I'm not disputing you heard what you heard. I'm actually sure you did. Whether lifting the cables is what caused it is open for debate.
Well, I'm on the fence with cable lifters and I decided to use rebar chairs. They come in different sizes and are dirt cheap. Grip-Rite brand at Home Depot, $6.10 for 20 pcs.
Thanks for the video, if you said a good shielded cable makes cable lifters have less of an audible difference, does that mean those shielded cables alone sound similar to the nicer cables you use,
and would it be better to just get shielded cables for majority of users out there without perfect setups?
Using them gave my music a lift.
I bet Amir will love this one. All kidding aside, really enjoy watching your videos. Your Denafrips Terminator + & Holo May video helped me make a big decision!
oh good lord
Jay, have you ever tried the Doug Schroeder method of using two cables per channel?
That would make for an interesting video.
Love such content Jay. Pls continue to make such unique content!
Hmm potholders or Danny's tinkertoys? I love when chooses don't cost an arm and a leg.
I see the Inakustics and think hair bands! - A circular(if poss) base, two upright dowels with a notch and a hairband crossing the gap - some refinements to be had though I think this could be a good start.
I am wondering if it would be better if you wrapped some fine threads across and let the cable rest on these fine threads. Just a thought.
You know how in school we learn of how electricity flows in wires as a hose with marbles in it or water. Apparently technically that's not true and really it's the magnetic field surrounding the wire that carries the energy. I'm not a physicist but I guess in theory a changing magnetic field like in AC can interact with dielectric materials like concrete, magnetize it and alter that signal. Like I personally don't think it makes a difference, but I'm open to the idea that at least scientifically it could.
Hey, if people can give money to a place that believes in an all-powerful invisible guy in the sky, then people can give money to places that sell cable lifters. To each their own, and whatever makes you happy. One's perception is one's reality.
My cable lifters are tables,should I buy branded lifters to put on top of tables?😅
You should buy little tables made for doll houses to put on top of your tables! 😀
Cable lifters only really make sense if you equip all cables with them - even those for video and TV!
You will not only hear the difference, but also see it.
Wow so many troll's. Not vodoo at all my guess is so many ' experts ' that have tin ears I have been an audiofile for 48 year's have had many systems and tried many cables connectors and speaker wires
they do make a difference. So do lifters its really just about getting your cables off the floor. I use medium sized Pine cones😮 yes pine cones. How does it change my system? more AIR less congestion better sound stage. I also dont coil the run. You do have to experiment and my own experience if different from yours as gettingy cables off the carpert really sound better. It comes down to those who have tin ears and simply either dont hear the difference or arent skilled enough to understand what they are hearing. I have had friends over and switched components like CD players that really sounded different in a big way to my ears and had them say they couldn't hear the difference.
It doesn't matter bud
I make heavy use of cable massagers and cable oil as well
Make sure to dip it in. Don’t just spray it or something.
@@Jayiyagi The best cable oil is made from oil extracted from snakes
I just think they look cool on super high end systems and that can be enough. Personally I don’t even have cable management let alone cable lifters
Hi Jay and guys - it looks to me like the cables you're showing here are the GR Research - that's a good sign! I'm using Kimber Crystal 24 and have them lifted on home-made oak 7" or 17cm lifters and must say, I heard a big difference. Faster transients, more energy in high top end, better instrument definition ans soundstage.
My floor is concrete with oak parquet. In the floor are water tubes for underfloor heating. Also of critical importance is isolating the speakers from the floor.
I'm toying with the idea of getting GR Research, either as main cable or as a biwire option. For the length i need it would still be quite pricey though so i'm hanging back. I dont know what improvement if any i would see over the Kimber Crystal 24. Construction-wise I think only the cotton rope and the RAM distinguish the GRR from the Kimber. Does anyone have any experience of this comparison? All the best, Rob in Switzerland
It's a good sign that he's showing a snake oils salesman cables 😂
Cheap diy option makes a lot of sense here, especially as the effect is small and uncertain. The technology need not be fancy and expensive ones are a rip-off imo
you know, people always talk about snake oil but i don't think anyone sells actual snake oil for audio. I think that might be a possible product. cable lifters to me look cool.
From the tittle.
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Cut tennis balls in half.
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Interesting video Jay. They certainly improve the aesthetics. I’d consider trying this. I’d certainly not belittle your experiences as they’re yours. If you hear a difference then that’s what matters. Some cables do seem more microphonic than others and a hard floor is likely to pick up much more noise than carpeted, so there’s probably something in this.
You will find that all of these troubles go away… when you use wireless speakers.
🤗👍😎THANKS JAY …FOR SHARING YOUR STORY 🤔 we are here to listen 👂 and learn 🧐….just ignore the critics 😅💚💚💚
sighted listening is so powerful it regularly defeats our actual knowledge. be strong not silly.
Its a capacitance effect between the cable and the floor. Not just the conductivity of the floor, but also whatever is the dielectric constant and other dielectric properties of the flooring material.
Bigger diameter/surface-area-per-length cables tend to be affected more because they have greater capacitive coupling to objects in the near environment such as flooring.
Only a relatively small increase in distance between a cable and the flooring (a few inches) drastically reduces capacitance coupling and related effects.
There's literally no difference when tested and measured 😂
This Hobby is for everyone. Have fun and experiment. Lets not keep negative comments and angry/violent commenters keep us from being on their own fun audio journey. Keep it up Jay.
Frederick
Agree, as long as people are defaulting to science and proven measurements when claiming improvements.
For anyone who wants to see if cable lifters make a difference in your system. A completely free way to try, is to use a rubber band and 3 chopsticks to make a tripod.
If you build a few and set them up and they make a difference then you can invest in something nicer. If they don't work in your system then you aren't out anything but the 5 minutes it takes to assemble and set up. I hope this helps someone.
🤗 assuming you have chop sticks and rubber bands on hand 😁😎💚💚💚
@@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 Yes assuming that 😊
Put the cables on top of 10 toilet rolls to test it ,that's what I did to save money for an experiment .
I want to share my experience and I want you to just try this:
Get a pair of 5" Tang Band or Fostex or any other good single drivers. Make a tower box and make a speaker hole near the top of the box for the single driver. Before mounting the driver put this in the speaker hole, a 5" diameter piece of tubing (poly pipe) 2" long (it's more a ring than a tube). And glue it in the speaker hole (like a short bass vent tube). Mount the single driver about 20 mm (3/4") above the speaker hole so there is an air gap between the driver and the speaker hole. Use oversize screws and use soft thin sprinkler hose for spacers (around the screws) and compress the hose a little with the screw to secure the driver. Make the acoustic gap between the driver and the box a bit smaller at the top of the driver so the driver is tipped up a little when mounted. A crossover filter is an option that I made but it's very subtle cos the acoustics does most of the EQ (but I like perfection so I have a filter). You will hear a vast difference with the semi open driver to a regular close driver mounting for sure (and in a good way, I reckon and others who heard them reckon). And you might love the difference! So please try it cos to me it's at another level! I want to share this (not repress it like innovations seem to, through copyright). I hear voices in my room that startles me cos I get tricked into thinking someone is in the room when it's in my speakers. It happened several times (lost count). I actually physically turn around when that happens. And sometimes I have to turn it down to find out if a sound is coming from outside or from the speakers. Once I heard a loud low passing jet aircraft and I looked out the window and there was no plane and I was still searching out the window while my speakers were less than a meter from me. And it took several seconds before I realised the jet was the speakers (even when they were that close to me). If this is true (and you love sound) then you would be a mug not to try it. Especially when it's about as cheap as your made cable raisers. And I get so much enjoyment and amazing emersive experience from the semi open, semi dipole speakers and I want to share this experience (not suppress it). They absolutely smoke my reference speakers (B&W 706s) with female voice, piano and brass band. I lent my speakers to an audiophile friend and I asked him 2 questions:
Do they sound "different"?
And he said yes.
Did you like the difference?
And he said yes.
I would really like to try this. A picture would be great. You say make a 5inch hole at the top of the box. Glue in the 5inch pipe/ring and then mount the speaker 20mm above that. So the speaker does not go in ‘the speaker hole’? Sorry I may be a bit thick.
@@raywatts7689 the speaker is spaced away from baffle, but mounted in hole, so it's a leaky speaker.
This sounds interesting, need to try out, Thanks for sharing your Knowledge.
Just Fold up some cardboard into triangles to try it cheap
At the best, cable lifters only work over carpets, as carpets produce static.
I think this is nonsense, but if you have shorter cables they lift themselves 😊
A car analogy: cable lifters are like the faux hood scoops people used to buy at Pep Boys and stick on the hoods of their cars. Fact: they did NOT improve performance. Also fact: some people liked the way they looked. Some other people pointed fingers and poked fun, but the folks with the fake scoops didn't care; they were doing what made them happy. The fake scoop folks knew it was all just for looks; they didn't make up reasons for how the scoops magically improved engine performance. And the scoop companies didn't claim any such gains. Everyone agreed it's just for decoration, which is fine because no one was being fooled.
But as evidenced in Jay's video and the comments here, there are all sorts of armchair theories as to how lifters offer real, audible benefits. Terms like "blind AB test" are being casually used without any real evidence for back-up. People are being misled, which is fast becoming a trend in social media and in other arenas (medicine, science, politics), and this why it's a touchy topic for some. While there's no harm in using cable lifters for decoration, pushing the idea that lifters offer actual sonic benefits is the very reason we have companies selling them for hundreds or thousands of dollars. To be clear, I'm not against cable lifters - I'm against false narratives that empower predatory markets.
I had my son print some for me with his 3d printer but my first test was with toilet paper tubes. I can hear a difference (minor) but I can't tell you if it is better for worse... Just a little different. Results can be adjusted by how much of the cable is suspended. Also, most of your theory was around vibration but I have read it may be capacitance is the change. Some designs say you ideally need about 3" of lift. Someone should be able to measure this to validate.
I cut up old computer mouse pads if I need a cushioning material. Free.
Cable lifters make a little more sense when you understand electricity flows thru magnetic fields. It could be that the cable being on the floor effects the magnetic fields, lifting the cable off the floor could make these fields more even around the diameter of the cable. This would make sense that cables with less shielding see better results with the lifters.
That's cool but all this has already been tested and measured multiple times showing no change unless the cable was so poorly made it's barely a cable
I use plastic shot glasses for lifters, looks like they are floating.
I put pipe insulation round my cables, and damping where they connect to the speakers. Seems to help a bit.
It does nothing
Search for MILEQEE Door Bumpers White
Try wrapping your cables in pool noodles... fun colors too.
Let me put a bit of science behind this. Something of a possible causal explanation. Some time ago while in audio sales I sold a line of custom cables that included cable for balanced audio use. They had the normally designed two wire with shield in a jacket. But they also had the same wires with cotton string between them in a jacket. They measured exactly the same. But especially for microphones and guitars, the bouncing of the cable on the ground was microphonic in the cable without the physical absorption from the cotton string. Demoed as simple as laying the two side by side and stomping on them through an amp. You could hear the physical vibration in the regular one. A dynamic physical change in distance between wires.
Now exactly how much those vibrations would affect at those higher voltages at speaker level? But lower impedance. And it would be across the length of the wire. Not just the stomp point. And yes absorbed by carpet.
The higher the cables are off the ground, the better the sound. 😂
Jay, Which size wooden pot stands are you displaying in your video? The smaller ones? The size looks spot on.
Smaller ones
Awesome, thanks Jay! It's nice once in a while actually to be able to *AFFORD* something that you recommend 😁
Young people have much keener and more sensitive ears. Old people please don't judge.
Hey bud as someone who's not old and can hear dog whistles there's literally difference between on the ground or lifted unless your floors have current running through them
I believe it makes a difference if your cables are on carpet.
Awesome video!
Where’s Thujan?
Freezing your cable makes a difference too
Probably lifters can also help cables stay clean off the floor too or prevent scratching. I guess if you like to switch up cables a lot and keep them in like new condition to sell them it’s cool
you could also just use the cheapest $3 cables from amazon because the only thing audiophile cables do is drain your wallet
Even if they don’t do anything that is audible, they look really cool and organizes the path of the cable so it’s not like an afterthought.
How do Roomba's deal with cable lifters?
Wow !
I use doll parts from thrift stores... functional and great conversation starters.
I love it..you're going down the deep deepest deepity-deep wormhole of the audiophile black-box...and I'm here for it. Because the super dooper high money audiophiles all use lifters! I need to understand why they do...and I'm glad you're covering it
Hey why not sale the cable lift's for your friends.... Viewers
I like how it looks! Okay Jay, lay it on thick! (What do you think the science is behind it?) My thought is it isolates against "ground" not the ground or the floor-- if that makes any sense. Was there any fairy dust snorted in the making of this video? Thumbs up Jay.
I’m not dumping on anyone who has an engineering/ science background- I’ve been there myself. But simply put, there’s a LOT of science going on in the audio field that we just don’t fully understand, or cannot measure yet. The human auditory system is an extremely complex interface. I’m glad that you are open-minded, and I truly hope that it’s contagious.
It was measured by a guy from Indonesia. I’m no electrical engineer so I don’t fully understand what the measurements mean.
He’s not saying because there’s a difference hence the sound is affected but rather he says it’s interesting that there is something happening. I’ll try to find that video.
Actually...there is absolute scientific proof and the ability to measure this if you know what you are doing... I have the equipment and technical background to understand and make the measurements these other guys don't. Just because they bought an Audio Precision doesn't automatically make any one an expert.
My Rotel-RMB100 mono blocks are right underneath my NHT SB3 so the cables don't even touch the ground. it was still an interesting watch, have a great day.
Never use cable lifters for the voice of your wife 😂
I'm guessing it doesn't matter what it is, I am thinking cups with a sock stuck halfway in as a test lol
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I used paper coffee cups and they worked well. I cut a little V in the bottom and put the wider top side down. Sounded great. Was like I am promoting Tim Hortons coffee in my audio room!
Cardboard boxes are rumored to work as well
interesting results. I wonder if you have the opportunity to do some C & L measurements with or without lifters? There was a posting a few years ago and this guy had a floor that increased the capacitance of his cables so the lifter worked by reducing it back to where the manufactures design meant it to be as they said it sounded better with the lifters.
since when has any audiophool done measurements? they judge gear based on how expensive it is and how many false claims the manufacturer makes on the website
Get shorter cables. No need for lifters.
Jay, a face of sincerity in your story that absolutely motivated me to try it (I had been considering it for a while). but what motivates me the most is that when you can't change your gear every now and then, going for small significant positive changes is the point.
I'm with you here.