Okay, this is straight from the Wiki sight for anyone who cares about the meaning: "This song is featured in the album Boku to Kimi to no Jikan Ryokou (ボクとキミとの時間旅行) and Astrologia no Juuni no Sign and has entered the Hall of Fame. Note that despite the fact that one of the twins in represented by Len, they are both suposed to be women. It tells the story of a pair of twins in a brothel, calling themselves the "Crimson (Rin) and White (Len) Spider Lilies". The twins carve in a symbol on the back of their necks as a promise to care for each other even if one of them is sold off. This eventually happens to the Crimson Lily and the White Lily comforts her, wishing her to find happiness, but before the man arrives in the morning they have sex and confess that they love each other. As soon and the Crimson Lily is gone, the White Lily reveals that she's though of her sister as nothing but a nuisence and cuts her symbol, declaring the brothel her domain."
My interpretation for this song's story is that these two Sisters have only had eachother for their whole lives, probably only had very little exposure with their parents. As such they likely weren't able to get much of an education, and probably had to live off of selling their bodies just to get food. However one day the younger sister falls in love with a man, very possibly someone of little social standing, and it was likely reciprocated, but in spite of that the younger sister is bought by another man to be his personal concubine, more then likely a lord of some type of large social importance. While not wanting to live without her younger sister, the Older Sister decides she would rather let her younger sister live a happy life and sacrifice herself for her, so on their last night of being together, the sisters sleep together, as a final farewell. The older sister dresses in her younger clothes and goes with the lord, while the younger runs off with the man she fell in love with, however upon bedding with the lord, in order to make sure he doesn't find out shes actually the older sister she murders him, then ends her own life, a she would rather be dead then without her younger sister, likely the only light in her life.
I remember a theory saying that, during the last night they were together, they decided to switch identities. Like a servant of Evil thing, only Rin was the one that wanted it. Here are the facts: First off, we see that Rin is the more cynical of the two siblings, while Len was the gentler one, it would make much more sense should it have been Rin that said those words in the end. Second, note that, before 'Rin' was taken away, she was always portrayed with her eyes CLOSED, while Len was the exact opposite, however, on the day she was to be taken away, their roles were reversed. Lastly, note what 'Len' said: "Because deep down we know that I'm you and your me," I'm pretty sure that was literal Furthermore, although i couldn't find the one for 'White spider Lilly', the meaning of 'Red spider Lilly' (in Hanakotoba- the Japanese language of flowers) is actually "Never to meet again, Lost memory, and Abandonment" Think about THAT!
I am a big fan of Kagamine Rin • Len. And I've watch all of their songs. So of the experience I have; I agree with you. In all of the songs Rin was the cynical one and Len was the gentler one. I can't possibly think that Len would think of Rin as a nuisance. Like you said, in the song " Because deep down we know that I'm you and you're me, "; I think it wouldn't be strange that they ( Rin and Len ) had switched places. Besides they look so similar, almost the same. 🤔🧐
I think that Len just wanted to get rid of Rin here and was playing a comedy, when he saw she wanted to go with a man he decided to help her getting what she wanted so he could be the only one in there at the end
I remember liking this music a couple years ago. It is now more of a guilty pleasure. SirHammet is quite excellent, a good vocalist. nowadays, I focus more on punk, classical, techno, and southern rock.
Alright. The thing is; I'm sure that them switching identities will prove to be an issue. The man is sure to /engage/, in some activities with whomever that went with him. If he wanted Rin, and the twins had switched identity, I'm sure he'd realize. Unless, in this song, both are female. Then again, it showed Len making love to Rin near the end. Though, it could very well work if they were both females, but I'd imagine him to be a male either way.
Okay so I have a theory. Rin and Len are twin geishas abandoned at birth. Thus presumably Len had to always take care of Rin and thus Rin became very spoiled and always relied on him thus they only had each other, and Len didn't enjoy that too much after so long. Then one day a man (perhaps a rich one) catches an eye for Rin. So in Rin's place Len seduces the man so that he would buy Rin (I'll take care of it and the claims to Rin liking someone even though he says I'm you and you're me). Len then tells her of this "good news". Then Rin gets cold feet and is afraid of leaving the only man she has ever had. Then Len and Rin create crimson and white spider lilies and Rin is reassured that they will never lose their bond. Then after Rin leaves Len severs his bond with her(the gemini marks on their necks ouch!) because he has always wanted to get rid of her in the first place because of how spoiled she was. Though in the begining I feel Rin always knew Len detested her as in the beginning of the song Rin says she doesn't like pity or lying so take off your mask thus thats why Len had sex with her *cough cough* make spider lilies and was willing to engrave marks on each other so that Rin wouldn't suspect him. Though in the end I don't believe she was that dumb and when she realized Len didn't want her anymore she goes with the man and tells Len she will always love him anyway.That's my theory anyway.
I'm really sick of the comments like "This is somehow connected to SOE." Like the idea of twins switching... Isn't a new concept (ehm... Parent Trap anybody) and like you use Rin and Len to make beautiful music and you get "THIS HAS TO BE CONNECTED TO THE STORY OF EVIL DISPITE THE FACT THE CREATOR DIDN'T EVEN INTEND IT NOR EVER WILL". Like stop being an obsessive fan for five minutes and enjoy music that will never connect up to another peice no matter how hard you squish them together.
Thank you!! Yes, this is a pretty ambiguous song (even more so in the original japanese, I tried to have a concrete story idea as I wrote this lyrics) so just give me a few minutes and I'll update the description! ^^
SirHamnet Haha, have to agree - I have my own interpretation but I guess we'll never truly know. It isn't as easy to read as the Story of Evil series or Bakeneko's Love Story (love your cover of that too)
I live the song but the whole time was watching I was so confused and felt like they switched personalitys half way threw or something. its not bad it just confused me.
I wou ldn't say so, since in SoE Len is truly and genuinely loyal, whereas here, he only pretends to want what's best for rin, but he actually just wants to get rid of her (??) At least, that's what I'm getting XD Thank you for listening!
So my understanding is that Rin and Len are abandoned geisha twins. Rin genuinely wants to stay with Len whereas Len does not (or convinces himself that they shouldn't stay together). That's why he finds someone who Rin may or may not actually be interested and says "leave it to me," so he woos the man pretending to be Rin. Rin therefore is bought by the man, and that's why Len is plottwist! happy at the end. Hope that helps and thank you for listening!
i'm 4 years late LOL XD did he kill himself in the end? i think he hate his life but at the same time worry about rin. that's why in the end, when someone else can keep her safe he doesn't have to worry anymore, that's why he say he got rid of the "nuisance". just my random theory tho, i don't even sure anyone would read this
@ Fan maquina I am a big fan of Kagamine Rin • Len. And I've watch all of their songs. So of the experience I have; I agree with you. In all of the songs Rin was the cynical one and Len was the gentler one. I can't possibly think that Len would think of Rin as a nuisance. Like you said, in the song " Because deep down we know that I'm you and you're me, "; I think it wouldn't be strange that they ( Rin and Len ) had switched places. As in some of other songs of Kagamine Rin • Len like 'Daughter of evil' the same thing happened. Besides they look so similar, almost the same. 🤔🧐 I wanna add a fact about the symbol too. The symbol that is on the back of their necks is the symbol of The Zodiac Sign GEMINI.
Len isn't always the gentle one: the Synchronicity trilogy shows Len willing to destroy the world while Rin wants to save it. I'll grant that he's *usually* the gentler of them, but his being the more cynical one here doesn't necessarily mean anything except that the producer wanted to do something different with him.
![[Enn] The Butterfly, the Flower, and the Spider English Version](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/puiwKxrLQ9k/mqdefault.jpg)
Okay, this is straight from the Wiki sight for anyone who cares about the meaning:
"This song is featured in the album Boku to Kimi to no Jikan Ryokou (ボクとキミとの時間旅行) and Astrologia no Juuni no Sign and has entered the Hall of Fame. Note that despite the fact that one of the twins in represented by Len, they are both suposed to be women.
It tells the story of a pair of twins in a brothel, calling themselves the "Crimson (Rin) and White (Len) Spider Lilies". The twins carve in a symbol on the back of their necks as a promise to care for each other even if one of them is sold off. This eventually happens to the Crimson Lily and the White Lily comforts her, wishing her to find happiness, but before the man arrives in the morning they have sex and confess that they love each other. As soon and the Crimson Lily is gone, the White Lily reveals that she's though of her sister as nothing but a nuisence and cuts her symbol, declaring the brothel her domain."
hold on...2 sisters? who went snip snip with Len's weenie beanie?
My interpretation for this song's story is that these two Sisters have only had eachother for their whole lives, probably only had very little exposure with their parents. As such they likely weren't able to get much of an education, and probably had to live off of selling their bodies just to get food. However one day the younger sister falls in love with a man, very possibly someone of little social standing, and it was likely reciprocated, but in spite of that the younger sister is bought by another man to be his personal concubine, more then likely a lord of some type of large social importance. While not wanting to live without her younger sister, the Older Sister decides she would rather let her younger sister live a happy life and sacrifice herself for her, so on their last night of being together, the sisters sleep together, as a final farewell. The older sister dresses in her younger clothes and goes with the lord, while the younger runs off with the man she fell in love with, however upon bedding with the lord, in order to make sure he doesn't find out shes actually the older sister she murders him, then ends her own life, a she would rather be dead then without her younger sister, likely the only light in her life.
Song: Twist the colors, red and white
Me: Candy canes! :D
Hahahahahaha
OH HELL YES MORE HAM FOR LUNCH
hahaha!!! LOL XDD
wOW WE HAD SWEET AND SOUR CHICKen.
SirHamnet
sweet and sour Ham sounds great too
NaomicchiDesu dat double lyfe
SirHamnet it's tough, gurl
I remember a theory saying that, during the last night they were together, they decided to switch identities. Like a servant of Evil thing, only Rin was the one that wanted it.
Here are the facts:
First off, we see that Rin is the more cynical of the two siblings, while Len was the gentler one, it would make much more sense should it have been Rin that said those words in the end. Second, note that, before 'Rin' was taken away, she was always portrayed with her eyes CLOSED, while Len was the exact opposite, however, on the day she was to be taken away, their roles were reversed. Lastly, note what 'Len' said:
"Because deep down we know that I'm you and your me,"
I'm pretty sure that was literal
Furthermore, although i couldn't find the one for 'White spider Lilly', the meaning of 'Red spider Lilly' (in Hanakotoba- the Japanese language of flowers) is actually "Never to meet again, Lost memory, and Abandonment"
Think about THAT!
Fan maquina I think it was really Len in the end.
It also seems like the symbols on their necks were Lens idea to start with so it wouldn't make much sense if he considered them such a nuisance
I am a big fan of Kagamine Rin • Len. And I've watch all of their songs. So of the experience I have; I agree with you. In all of the songs Rin was the cynical one and Len was the gentler one. I can't possibly think that Len would think of Rin as a nuisance. Like you said, in the song " Because deep down we know that I'm you and you're me, "; I think it wouldn't be strange that they ( Rin and Len ) had switched places. Besides they look so similar, almost the same. 🤔🧐
I think that Len just wanted to get rid of Rin here and was playing a comedy, when he saw she wanted to go with a man he decided to help her getting what she wanted so he could be the only one in there at the end
Have you watched The Genealogy of Red, White and Black?
Cuz in that, Len isn't gentle, like at all.
I remember liking this music a couple years ago. It is now more of a guilty pleasure. SirHammet is quite excellent, a good vocalist. nowadays, I focus more on punk, classical, techno, and southern rock.
Alright.
The thing is; I'm sure that them switching identities will prove to be an issue.
The man is sure to /engage/, in some activities with whomever that went with him.
If he wanted Rin, and the twins had switched identity, I'm sure he'd realize.
Unless, in this song, both are female.
Then again, it showed Len making love to Rin near the end.
Though, it could very well work if they were both females, but I'd imagine him to be a male either way.
am i the only one who enjoys the scene where they just fall down on each other like plop
K_The_ God NO I love that how part "tonight's the last time we'll be together...."
You, my friend, should go on The Voice or Americas got Talent or something. Your voice, mang, YOUR VOICe. Is perfect.
thank you so much! o//A//o that's such a huge compliment! *HUGS*
Epic~!
You should do a Duet with JoyDreamerJourney Two of my favourite Cover artists singing together~
oh god that would actually be SUPER COOL o AO!!!
That's what I was thinking
It would be the coolest thing in the world~! 8D
That voice... It's like... A worm trying to get into your head and corrupt you from the inside out... So smooth (~•-•)~
........ 8D
pats you on the head
moves away slowly
SirHamnet Nuuuuuuuuuuuuu....!
COME BACK TO ME HAM WORM THING!!!!! CORRUPT ME MOAR!!
Vehnriel Li
>.>
*screams* I had a feeling that you would cover this. And I was right. Good job Ham on this song. Thank you Ham, for making a good song even better.
YAY! thank you! :D
Okay so I have a theory. Rin and Len are twin geishas abandoned at birth. Thus presumably Len had to always take care of Rin and thus Rin became very spoiled and always relied on him thus they only had each other, and Len didn't enjoy that too much after so long. Then one day a man (perhaps a rich one) catches an eye for Rin. So in Rin's place Len seduces the man so that he would buy Rin (I'll take care of it and the claims to Rin liking someone even though he says I'm you and you're me). Len then tells her of this "good news". Then Rin gets cold feet and is afraid of leaving the only man she has ever had. Then Len and Rin create crimson and white spider lilies and Rin is reassured that they will never lose their bond. Then after Rin leaves Len severs his bond with her(the gemini marks on their necks ouch!) because he has always wanted to get rid of her in the first place because of how spoiled she was. Though in the begining I feel Rin always knew Len detested her as in the beginning of the song Rin says she doesn't like pity or lying so take off your mask thus thats why Len had sex with her *cough cough* make spider lilies and was willing to engrave marks on each other so that Rin wouldn't suspect him. Though in the end I don't believe she was that dumb and when she realized Len didn't want her anymore she goes with the man and tells Len she will always love him anyway.That's my theory anyway.
I can't believe I found an english cover of this song >w<
I just love this song and your cover is really awesome, please keep up the good work :D
1) ...... Len is a tsundere. He has and always will be.
2) *laughs uncontrollably* Broom...
ham u never fail to amuse me with your two voice.
This song has a nice feel to it and you sang it awesomely
for months I wanted to sing this, and I was all meeh but now I KINDA WANNA PICK IT UP, JS. ANDYOUAND YOUR LYRICS ARE KINDA MNN YKNOW JSJSJSJSJS
You should totally do Induling Idol Syndrome by Gumi and Mayu Your voice would fit it o.o
I'm really sick of the comments like "This is somehow connected to SOE." Like the idea of twins switching... Isn't a new concept (ehm... Parent Trap anybody) and like you use Rin and Len to make beautiful music and you get "THIS HAS TO BE CONNECTED TO THE STORY OF EVIL DISPITE THE FACT THE CREATOR DIDN'T EVEN INTEND IT NOR EVER WILL". Like stop being an obsessive fan for five minutes and enjoy music that will never connect up to another peice no matter how hard you squish them together.
YOU'RE AWSOME HAM!!!
another fav song-----now hybrid human, continue doing more and more of my fav songs---i trust your taste huehehehe
arrrggghhhh but that ending :O damn len... GREAT SINGING AS USUAL~
This reminds me so much of superhero!
My favorite song! and version!!!!
Favorite songggg!!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! (And don't mind the pic it's my moms.) I've been looking for a dub of this forever!~
This is putting me in a really good mood :)
LOVE THIS SONG!!!!
I love this cover, Ham, it's beautiful! It makes me wish I could sing like you, haha.
Wish I knew what the song was exactly about ;u;
Thank you!! Yes, this is a pretty ambiguous song (even more so in the original japanese, I tried to have a concrete story idea as I wrote this lyrics) so just give me a few minutes and I'll update the description! ^^
SirHamnet Haha, have to agree - I have my own interpretation but I guess we'll never truly know. It isn't as easy to read as the Story of Evil series or Bakeneko's Love Story (love your cover of that too)
I love your work!
THIS IS PARTY HARD
Len in the end was happy that Rin left because now he gets all the attention.
love this song!! :>
YEAH!! LOVE THIS SONG! :>
Your awesome!
I live the song but the whole time was watching I was so confused and felt like they switched personalitys half way threw or something. its not bad it just confused me.
It is very interesting and fancey :3
I love the video and song too; yay im the first one to commet!!
You did a great job! Chu!☆★
***** Yup ^^
Ham amazing
Is this like servant of evil? cuz to me it is... good job ham
I wou ldn't say so, since in SoE Len is truly and genuinely loyal, whereas here, he only pretends to want what's best for rin, but he actually just wants to get rid of her (??) At least, that's what I'm getting XD Thank you for listening!
Love this song! Hey Hey! xD
I love you soo much
I don't think either of them died here; Rin got sold off / taken away and Len "cut" away the symbol on the back of his neck. Thank you for listening!
SirHamnet i like the song more now ;). You made me really happy when you replay '3'
wow. some plot twist 0-0
Nice! Though at times the lyrics are kinda difficult to hear. Still good though c:
Thank you, I'll keep that in mind! (:
The song, especially the chorus is so nice... though i wonder, why would Len cut his mark?
So my understanding is that Rin and Len are abandoned geisha twins. Rin genuinely wants to stay with Len whereas Len does not (or convinces himself that they shouldn't stay together). That's why he finds someone who Rin may or may not actually be interested and says "leave it to me," so he woos the man pretending to be Rin. Rin therefore is bought by the man, and that's why Len is plottwist! happy at the end. Hope that helps and thank you for listening!
ooooh. so that's it. thank you! I love your Kagamine Twins covers. my favorite would always be servant of evil though. :)
This is like Servant of Evil minus the loving brother.
true
Is there a Rin version of this?
the instrumental sound so similar to a wonderful cats life XD
Nem has a pretty distinct catchy style :D I find it fun to mix and match lyrics / instrumentals, kind of like the Burning Night series XD
i'm 4 years late LOL XD
did he kill himself in the end? i think he hate his life but at the same time worry about rin. that's why in the end, when someone else can keep her safe he doesn't have to worry anymore, that's why he say he got rid of the "nuisance".
just my random theory tho, i don't even sure anyone would read this
He didn't kill himself in the end, he merely cut through that symbol (talked about after the first chorus) on the back of his neck. ^^
I love this song but at the same time it's so wierd
How would the mom not know of either of her children? She gave birth to them!
Luna they are the ones who don't know of their parents.
WAIT DID HE KILL HIMSELF
@ Fan maquina
I am a big fan of Kagamine Rin • Len. And I've watch all of their songs. So of the experience I have; I agree with you. In all of the songs Rin was the cynical one and Len was the gentler one. I can't possibly think that Len would think of Rin as a nuisance.
Like you said, in the song " Because deep down we know that I'm you and you're me, "; I think it wouldn't be strange that they ( Rin and Len ) had switched places. As in some of other songs of Kagamine Rin • Len like 'Daughter of evil' the same thing happened.
Besides they look so similar, almost the same. 🤔🧐
I wanna add a fact about the symbol too. The symbol that is on the back of their necks is the symbol of The Zodiac Sign GEMINI.
Len isn't always the gentle one: the Synchronicity trilogy shows Len willing to destroy the world while Rin wants to save it. I'll grant that he's *usually* the gentler of them, but his being the more cynical one here doesn't necessarily mean anything except that the producer wanted to do something different with him.
@@darkstarofchaos2138 He did it FOR Rin not AGAINST Rin. But you are right too.
The song is nice and all but damn.... Wat did I just watch?? :x
is len dying AGAIN?! I'M OUT!