I am a drummer and when I listening you playing, first the ride then the hihat, I hear the sound of ride in my right headphone just comming "above" my head and the hihat just "below" my head from the left headphone, just as I was playing real drums. Amazing!!!
I hope all is well your way brother. I know you were dealing with some wild stuff. Hope you and the family are good! I’m going to buy this through your page!
Good to see you back at the mixing desk Scott. Nice Video and I like the way this one was done with you playing the riff rather than us watching a set screen. And I know he is prob reading the comments... so Well done Glenn
Really dig the raw kit with bleed, the Tama kit is my favourite. Actually sounding like raw drums is fantastic, can legitimately mix like you'd a real kit.
Someone in another ELE video kindly answered some technical questions I had about ELE, so I thought I'd share here: There are 8 VELOCITY LAYERS AND 8 ROUND ROBINS FOR EACH, which is AMAZING!!
I'm loving the sounds of this. Currently using it to track some thrash songs I've written in Reaper. I'm pretty new to DAWs & having a hard time figuring out how to get the Kontakt 7 app to not skip sounds or even crash the DAW. I have 64gb of memory and a fast SSD. So far nothing I've found on YT or forums has helped ☹️
I was waiting on you to drop a video on this drum library, and it’s definitely a cool one, but that guitar tone is probably the best I’ve heard from you yet and I want to know what you used on it
Cool! I exclusively use vdrums and wonder how well it will work. I use SD3 which I find to be absolutely mind blowing regarding control, sensitivity and customization. I’ve not used any Kontakt with vdrums (for drumming). I wonder how is high hat control?
Hey! We worked to make sure the response of the kit was accurate when used with Roland V-Drums. We developed the kit with drummers and engineers in mind!
Hell froze over, so metal bands need to have blizzards and snow storms in their videos now. With blue and white lights for their shows. Thanks a lot Glenn!🥶 Great video showcasing the features of this pack Scott!! 🤘🥁🤘
I'd like to eventually see a drum VSTi that includes full bleed and left hand/right hand articulations. Shreddage Drums is the only plug-in that's done that to my knowledge, but the hi-hat articulations are very limited for some reason and make it difficult to use by modern standards. Not to mention its weird UI.
Shreddage! Haven't heard of that one for a long time... also if I can remember correctly, all of the toms are routed through one channel... I don't remember if you could do a full multi-out or not anymore
the gist is that you program the "weaker" hand one velocity layer weaker than your "stronger" hand. edit : could also be a couple layers but one is oftentimes more than enough to make it "realistic".
@@alrecks619 In the VSTi's I've used that do have LR articulations, there is more of a difference than just messing with velocity layers. Not that using velocity layers isn't a good idea in general. My thing is that if drum VSTi's tout extreme realism, why not include the actual LR hits. IMO it is the future of drum programming, I think the top companies are just trying to figure out ways to implement it so that it doesn't come off overbearing during programming. I can see Toontrack coming up with an AI that automatically assumes left-right hits for example.
@@user-zr2pz8rr2l There’s a limit to the number of samples that can be contained within a Kontakt library, unfortunately. I wish they would increase this limitation, but until then, we’re forced to compromise on a few things.
Hi man, my band is recording our first EP and our drummer is using ELE. But we can't get it to work with REAPER. Could you hook me up with some kind of guide on how to do this? Thanks so much
When it's loaded, look at the top right corner. You'll see the word "Purge" and just above that an icon that looks like a camera. Just to the right of that, you'll see an "i" in a circle. Click that. After that, you'll see on the left "Output" and "MIDI Ch." If this says [A] 1 then click on that and select "Omni" and that should do the trick.
@@FlightSimDude I mean, to be fair, your DAW is absolutely ancient and it's possible something is just not working. However, Kontakt should still see the routing... is the input of your MIDI track set to the Kontakt instrument loaded with ELE?
I bought and installed this plugin but cannot use it as it uses 100% of my CPU usage during play. I did the batch re-save thing like you said. I have a 2017 iMac, run reaper and have never had issues with any drum plugin except for this one. I have emailed Glenn and commented about this on his videos but have had no response. Is there something I possibly did during install? Or something I can tweak so I can use it. I know how to record and mix but am not a computer genius. Has you’ve heard of anyone having this issue?
@@ChernobylAudio666 Does that include different tom sizes and a higher number of available toms in the kit? I like two floor toms and often the drummers I work with use two.
Hi Scott, your video made me buy this drum library. I love it very much! I was wondering if you (or anyone reading this) might be able to help me. On my mixing PC (Windows 10), I am using Cubase as my main DAW, and reaper for some of the more simple stuff. After installing Kontakt player, ELE runs like a charm when using it in the stand-alone version of Kontact, and also when I load Kontakt in Reaper. However, when adding Kontakt in Cubase, it loads up Kontakt and it sees the ELE Master kit. However, when I try to load ELE, it starts loading the interface but it only shows me the drum hardware (so just the cymbal stands), no shells and no cymbals. Also, the interface is unusable. (cannot enter the settings pages, mixing page, bleed control, you name it). I hope someone is able to help me, I've opened a support ticket with Spectre, but no success so far.
Drum libraries need weight, very hard hitting inhuman hits and normal human hits (accents aren't always perfect and sometimes just beating the drum up one hit is also realistic), articulations of different limbs (liked the detail with hertz drums for that), detailed articulations like the cymbals here, overhead and bleed mixer, all mics in the mixer that were used, many rooms is appreciated (chambers and stuff is also great), etc. Biggest pet peeve, if you have a 'mixed' processing option. It would be great if that processing was done with good gear, not inside kontakt. I don't need bus comp, tape, or whatever I will always do that in the DAW. But, even if it's just some processing of the individual signals with good gear, as a mix ready starting point or whatever. It will sound much better than the processing in kontakt and maybe even most plug ins. That would stand out to me a lot, when I'm looking to buy.
Processing was done inside Kontakt on individual channels, but was matched to the processing sessions from Glenn, Jackson, and myself. This was done so that the library didn’t end up being 30+ gigs. Also, there is a limit to the number of samples Kontakt could load, and including more than one preset would have put us over that limit.
@@JordonBeal definitely understand the limits of samples and baked in processing would mean more samples. So thankfully the samples themselves have tons of care at the recording end and all the work into the routing/mixers done in the kontakt instance. But, at the end of the day. Gonna do my own processing with any library does 'mix ready' processing inside of kontakt.
@@colinmitchell1287 Even though I made two of the presets, I'm the same way. I'm going to route it out and process it for each project 99% of the time. Hope you enjoy it if you end up grabbing it!
@@JordonBeal definitely will. I would also mention my pet peeve is more with other libraries that really sell this mix ready idea over the quality of their samples themselves. More like demo ready processing. If you sell me pre-seasoned steak, better have some dang good seasoning or just sell me a good steak, gonna season it myself anyways.
@@dryzd I know, I'm trying to get some of the ezxs before the summer sale ends but I'm short on at the moment. But, I'm going to get ez drummer 3 as well.
I do not know anymore, Scott. Looks like some decent recorded samples but the rest such as room reverbs and front\side bleed\ambience has been run sample by sample through a convolution reverb with real acoustic env. Impulse responses. I do not believe they would sit down and record all that data then chop it up sample by sample. Quite possibly the IRs have been baked in and then archived together to suit .nki format (Kontakt) or whatever it is.
@@JordonBeal So, my next question would be... Why have you wasted so much time? With binaural IRs (BRIRs: Binaural Room Impusle Responses) you could have automated that to take you about a couple of days: one day for preparation and tests and the second day to render and archive.
@@PASHKULI 1. All samples were recorded in a few days at Round Table Recording in Indianapolis. I then brought the sessions back and cut, labeled, and organized all of the samples so they'd be ready to import into Kontakt. 2. Batch editing and labelling means no, we don't have to do them one-by one. 3. All processing for the processed presets is done inside Kontakt due to Kontakt's sample limit (about 98,500-ish samples, max). 4. As far as using IR's for rooms, sending close-mic'd drums to IR's does not at all give you the same sound or response as the drum being struck in the room, actually being picked up by the room mics. Tonally, it's just not there, and dynamically, it's not there. IR's are a static image of that room and mic setup in that moment, and they don't respond the same as the actual drum in the room. The best IR's in the world will not give you the same result as actually hitting a drum in a room. This is how drum sample libraries are made. We wanted something natural and realistic, and half-assing it by relying on IR's would have defeated that goal. From our point of view, it's not a waste of time. Hopefully that clears some stuff up! Cheers, J
One thing I'd love to see in all drum samplers is to NEVER have the need to add anything else whatsoever. Maybe it's a mixer engineer thing? But adding an EQ to get rid of "honkiness" means there was honkiness that needs to be removed - a flaw. I just wish there was a library/preset that's 100% perfect and ready to go, and I only need to mess with mixing guitars, bass, etc and not touch the drums at all - since everybody always starts mixing drums, just have them premixed! Don't know if I'll ever have the wish come true LOL
@@marcorodriguez7694 - By perfect, I mean by the perspective of the mixer processing the drums before release. In this case, the mixer left 'honkiness' - probably should've EQ'd before release. I would love to just drop the drums in, ready to go - and just worry about everything afterward.
@@roxnroll8050 I'm sure this would be fine for that though. From what I can tell this is mix ready. That's what I mean by perfection doesn't exist because they make it mix ready for you but someone such as yourself might not be too happy about a specific frequency left in the product but someone like me might actually like it. That's what I mean that perfection doesn't exist.
We have. We built this from the ground-up to give songwriters a killer kit to work with, but also something that the work-a-day engineer or producer can rely on to get them something realistic and top-of-the-line tonally quickly. I hope you try it out.
Making this kit a Kontakt instrument was a total classy move. I use Kontakt in my sync license music because it's damn-near required. Seriously, all you ding-bats out there, level up!
When Glenn does reviews of other people's songs (which they pay him to do) he'll ask them how they get get their snare and drum sounds after he's been doing it for so many years.. This guy couldn't mix a cake.
That's because there isn't one approved way to do it and people figure it out in different ways. Always nice to pick someone's brain and learn something, but I guess you wouldn't really know.
@@ChernobylAudio666 so I didn't say one thing bad about you and you fucking insult me? People should notice who the real ignorant one is here .. shame on you.
"Walled Gardens", whether or not they have "free" or "Native" versions, are *always bad.* There is no "walled garden" in existence that has done _anything_ good, ever, for anyone, _ever._ I can definitely hear that these drums sound great. Unfortunately, I'd rather have cardboard box samples than be a cog in the wheel of a Walled Garden. Sorry, but not sorry Spectre. Wish I could enjoy them in my DAW, but I'm sure there's enough Kontact Andy's out there whom are fans of Spectre & happy support. Regardless, the drums do sound great, so kudos for that
Remember that neither Glenn or myself are giving away anything via Telegram! Report the scammers and move on \m/
I knew I didn’t win anything. How do people fall for that
You have won, send me $200 for shipping.
@@williamharrison54 C. O. D. 😂
I almost fell for that
I am a drummer and when I listening you playing, first the ride then the hihat, I hear the sound of ride in my right headphone just comming "above" my head and the hihat just "below" my head from the left headphone, just as I was playing real drums. Amazing!!!
16:10 cool point
Are you referring to all mixwave drum library lol.
With their thinnest cymbals sounds I've ever heard from a drum library
I hope all is well your way brother. I know you were dealing with some wild stuff. Hope you and the family are good! I’m going to buy this through your page!
Good to see you back at the mixing desk Scott. Nice Video and I like the way this one was done with you playing the riff rather than us watching a set screen. And I know he is prob reading the comments... so Well done Glenn
Really dig the raw kit with bleed, the Tama kit is my favourite. Actually sounding like raw drums is fantastic, can legitimately mix like you'd a real kit.
great breakdown! Toontrack's gotta watch out!
Someone in another ELE video kindly answered some technical questions I had about ELE, so I thought I'd share here: There are 8 VELOCITY LAYERS AND 8 ROUND ROBINS FOR EACH, which is AMAZING!!
these sound good, might have to give them a try at some point
I'm loving the sounds of this. Currently using it to track some thrash songs I've written in Reaper. I'm pretty new to DAWs & having a hard time figuring out how to get the Kontakt 7 app to not skip sounds or even crash the DAW. I have 64gb of memory and a fast SSD. So far nothing I've found on YT or forums has helped ☹️
Sounds promising, worth a try.
Scott, is there any way you could share the drum map you made with us?
I was waiting on you to drop a video on this drum library, and it’s definitely a cool one, but that guitar tone is probably the best I’ve heard from you yet and I want to know what you used on it
Used the 850 Devil from Invaders Amplification and then slapped the Grindstein VST on there for some extra grind ;)
@@ChernobylAudio666 I had a feeling the 850 Devil was in there, but didn’t even think of the Grindstein VST. Really digging that tone though.
Cool! I exclusively use vdrums and wonder how well it will work. I use SD3 which I find to be absolutely mind blowing regarding control, sensitivity and customization. I’ve not used any Kontakt with vdrums (for drumming). I wonder how is high hat control?
Hey! We worked to make sure the response of the kit was accurate when used with Roland V-Drums. We developed the kit with drummers and engineers in mind!
@@jacksonward1628 awesome thanks! In that’s case I’m gonna scoop it up, pretty pumped :D
Hell froze over, so metal bands need to have blizzards and snow storms in their videos now. With blue and white lights for their shows. Thanks a lot Glenn!🥶
Great video showcasing the features of this pack Scott!! 🤘🥁🤘
I'd like to eventually see a drum VSTi that includes full bleed and left hand/right hand articulations. Shreddage Drums is the only plug-in that's done that to my knowledge, but the hi-hat articulations are very limited for some reason and make it difficult to use by modern standards. Not to mention its weird UI.
Shreddage! Haven't heard of that one for a long time... also if I can remember correctly, all of the toms are routed through one channel... I don't remember if you could do a full multi-out or not anymore
the gist is that you program the "weaker" hand one velocity layer weaker than your "stronger" hand.
edit : could also be a couple layers but one is oftentimes more than enough to make it "realistic".
Blasting room has left right articulations for snare and kick and iirc toms as well.
@@alrecks619 In the VSTi's I've used that do have LR articulations, there is more of a difference than just messing with velocity layers. Not that using velocity layers isn't a good idea in general. My thing is that if drum VSTi's tout extreme realism, why not include the actual LR hits. IMO it is the future of drum programming, I think the top companies are just trying to figure out ways to implement it so that it doesn't come off overbearing during programming. I can see Toontrack coming up with an AI that automatically assumes left-right hits for example.
@@user-zr2pz8rr2l There’s a limit to the number of samples that can be contained within a Kontakt library, unfortunately. I wish they would increase this limitation, but until then, we’re forced to compromise on a few things.
If you want to use multi out, do you have to open it a vst instrument ? or you can do this on instrument track ? (cubase)
Hi man, my band is recording our first EP and our drummer is using ELE. But we can't get it to work with REAPER. Could you hook me up with some kind of guide on how to do this? Thanks so much
hey man! What's happening in particular? I'd probably hit up Spectre Digital support to see what's going on
My DAW, Cubase 5.1.5 doesn't see it. It's loaded into Kontakt and I can hear it.
When it's loaded, look at the top right corner. You'll see the word "Purge" and just above that an icon that looks like a camera. Just to the right of that, you'll see an "i" in a circle. Click that. After that, you'll see on the left "Output" and "MIDI Ch." If this says [A] 1 then click on that and select "Omni" and that should do the trick.
@@ChernobylAudio666 My DAW, Cubase 5.1.5 still doesn't see it. MIDI Channel is set to Omni, Out put it on st.1
@@FlightSimDude I mean, to be fair, your DAW is absolutely ancient and it's possible something is just not working. However, Kontakt should still see the routing... is the input of your MIDI track set to the Kontakt instrument loaded with ELE?
I would love to see comparison between Superior Drummer 3.
I bought and installed this plugin but cannot use it as it uses 100% of my CPU usage during play. I did the batch re-save thing like you said. I have a 2017 iMac, run reaper and have never had issues with any drum plugin except for this one. I have emailed Glenn and commented about this on his videos but have had no response. Is there something I possibly did during install? Or something I can tweak so I can use it. I know how to record and mix but am not a computer genius. Has you’ve heard of anyone having this issue?
That slammed, Scott! It’s awesome hearing the library in that context. Yup, maple shells!
Hell yeah love ya! Love ya Scott
can you add extra racktom samples somehow the lack of toms is somewhat of a turnoff for me
More toms coming in an update. Update is free to existing owners btw
@@ChernobylAudio666 Does that include different tom sizes and a higher number of available toms in the kit? I like two floor toms and often the drummers I work with use two.
Hi Scott, your video made me buy this drum library. I love it very much! I was wondering if you (or anyone reading this) might be able to help me. On my mixing PC (Windows 10), I am using Cubase as my main DAW, and reaper for some of the more simple stuff. After installing Kontakt player, ELE runs like a charm when using it in the stand-alone version of Kontact, and also when I load Kontakt in Reaper. However, when adding Kontakt in Cubase, it loads up Kontakt and it sees the ELE Master kit. However, when I try to load ELE, it starts loading the interface but it only shows me the drum hardware (so just the cymbal stands), no shells and no cymbals. Also, the interface is unusable. (cannot enter the settings pages, mixing page, bleed control, you name it).
I hope someone is able to help me, I've opened a support ticket with Spectre, but no success so far.
Program like a real frikken drummer!
But I don't WANNA!!!!
@@ChernobylAudio666 no body asked, they told!
Wait what?
So superior does have lots of room mics and bleed but this does sound really good in terms of options.
Man, I can't wait to get Copeland dorky on them hi-hats.
These or Hertz for grind?
They sound great, will have to give them a go
Bought it from here! sounds great! kontakt midi map editor is garbage....had 0 problem selecting my midi map in Kvlt drum, but this is a nightmare!
Hit up support im sure they will get you sorted man! Its been working great for me.
@@alexnasla Turns out my Cubase was buggin... I maped it out in a different session this morning. Worked like a charm
Nice man! Any set up at kontakt to read the GM (general midi) from cubase because when Alternate to GM i don't have sound At kontakt!
Tnx! 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
ELE comes with multiple MIDI mapping options, including GM.
Drum libraries need weight, very hard hitting inhuman hits and normal human hits (accents aren't always perfect and sometimes just beating the drum up one hit is also realistic), articulations of different limbs (liked the detail with hertz drums for that), detailed articulations like the cymbals here, overhead and bleed mixer, all mics in the mixer that were used, many rooms is appreciated (chambers and stuff is also great), etc.
Biggest pet peeve, if you have a 'mixed' processing option. It would be great if that processing was done with good gear, not inside kontakt. I don't need bus comp, tape, or whatever I will always do that in the DAW.
But, even if it's just some processing of the individual signals with good gear, as a mix ready starting point or whatever. It will sound much better than the processing in kontakt and maybe even most plug ins. That would stand out to me a lot, when I'm looking to buy.
Processing was done inside Kontakt on individual channels, but was matched to the processing sessions from Glenn, Jackson, and myself. This was done so that the library didn’t end up being 30+ gigs. Also, there is a limit to the number of samples Kontakt could load, and including more than one preset would have put us over that limit.
@@JordonBeal definitely understand the limits of samples and baked in processing would mean more samples.
So thankfully the samples themselves have tons of care at the recording end and all the work into the routing/mixers done in the kontakt instance.
But, at the end of the day. Gonna do my own processing with any library does 'mix ready' processing inside of kontakt.
@@colinmitchell1287 Even though I made two of the presets, I'm the same way. I'm going to route it out and process it for each project 99% of the time. Hope you enjoy it if you end up grabbing it!
@@JordonBeal definitely will.
I would also mention my pet peeve is more with other libraries that really sell this mix ready idea over the quality of their samples themselves.
More like demo ready processing.
If you sell me pre-seasoned steak, better have some dang good seasoning or just sell me a good steak, gonna season it myself anyways.
does this work with EZDRUMMER? i'm not so sure or is this it's own separate thing?
This is it's own separate thing, different library and different sounds \m/
Hey Scott, I have EZ Drummer 2 and it sounds wicked. You should give'em a try.
Now there is EZ Drummer3 with midi editor.
@@dryzd I know, I'm trying to get some of the ezxs before the summer sale ends but I'm short on at the moment. But, I'm going to get ez drummer 3 as well.
I do not know anymore, Scott.
Looks like some decent recorded samples but the rest such as room reverbs and front\side bleed\ambience has been run sample by sample through a convolution reverb with real acoustic env. Impulse responses.
I do not believe they would sit down and record all that data then chop it up sample by sample. Quite possibly the IRs have been baked in and then archived together to suit .nki format (Kontakt) or whatever it is.
@mara I love salad.
I guarantee you I did spend a week cutting up the 80,000~ samples that went into this library. The rooms are absolutely not “baked in” IRs.
@@JordonBeal So, my next question would be... Why have you wasted so much time?
With binaural IRs (BRIRs: Binaural Room Impusle Responses) you could have automated that to take you about a couple of days: one day for preparation and tests and the second day to render and archive.
@@JordonBeal I am sure you did not process 80k samples one by one for the respective true recordings.
@@PASHKULI
1. All samples were recorded in a few days at Round Table Recording in Indianapolis. I then brought the sessions back and cut, labeled, and organized all of the samples so they'd be ready to import into Kontakt.
2. Batch editing and labelling means no, we don't have to do them one-by one.
3. All processing for the processed presets is done inside Kontakt due to Kontakt's sample limit (about 98,500-ish samples, max).
4. As far as using IR's for rooms, sending close-mic'd drums to IR's does not at all give you the same sound or response as the drum being struck in the room, actually being picked up by the room mics. Tonally, it's just not there, and dynamically, it's not there. IR's are a static image of that room and mic setup in that moment, and they don't respond the same as the actual drum in the room. The best IR's in the world will not give you the same result as actually hitting a drum in a room.
This is how drum sample libraries are made. We wanted something natural and realistic, and half-assing it by relying on IR's would have defeated that goal. From our point of view, it's not a waste of time.
Hopefully that clears some stuff up!
Cheers,
J
Cool man! Glenn have some really amazing stuff! Gleen with fake drums, it's the end of the world.
One thing I'd love to see in all drum samplers is to NEVER have the need to add anything else whatsoever. Maybe it's a mixer engineer thing? But adding an EQ to get rid of "honkiness" means there was honkiness that needs to be removed - a flaw. I just wish there was a library/preset that's 100% perfect and ready to go, and I only need to mess with mixing guitars, bass, etc and not touch the drums at all - since everybody always starts mixing drums, just have them premixed! Don't know if I'll ever have the wish come true LOL
Sounds impossible because perfect doesn't exist.
@@marcorodriguez7694 - By perfect, I mean by the perspective of the mixer processing the drums before release. In this case, the mixer left 'honkiness' - probably should've EQ'd before release. I would love to just drop the drums in, ready to go - and just worry about everything afterward.
@@roxnroll8050 I'm sure this would be fine for that though. From what I can tell this is mix ready. That's what I mean by perfection doesn't exist because they make it mix ready for you but someone such as yourself might not be too happy about a specific frequency left in the product but someone like me might actually like it. That's what I mean that perfection doesn't exist.
@@marcorodriguez7694 Ahhh, now I gotcha. :) That makes total sense. Thanks!
@@roxnroll8050 Foshow!
Glenn Fricker drum sample library hahahahah 🤣🤣🤣🤣 better put his money where his mouth is 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We have. We built this from the ground-up to give songwriters a killer kit to work with, but also something that the work-a-day engineer or producer can rely on to get them something realistic and top-of-the-line tonally quickly. I hope you try it out.
піздєц круто, перше, що куплю після війни
Making this kit a Kontakt instrument was a total classy move. I use Kontakt in my sync license music because it's damn-near required. Seriously, all you ding-bats out there, level up!
I'd rather be a "ding-bat" instead of being a Whale who throws money at walled gardens. Glad it works for you though 👍
UVI Falcon
When Glenn does reviews of other people's songs (which they pay him to do) he'll ask them how they get get their snare and drum sounds after he's been doing it for so many years.. This guy couldn't mix a cake.
See everybody, this is what jealously looks like. Don't be like Gorf.
This type of thinking is why you’ll never master anything
That's because there isn't one approved way to do it and people figure it out in different ways. Always nice to pick someone's brain and learn something, but I guess you wouldn't really know.
If your taste in music is as bad as your taste in females, we have nothing to learn from you.
@@ChernobylAudio666 so I didn't say one thing bad about you and you fucking insult me? People should notice who the real ignorant one is here .. shame on you.
"Walled Gardens", whether or not they have "free" or "Native" versions, are *always bad.* There is no "walled garden" in existence that has done _anything_ good, ever, for anyone, _ever._ I can definitely hear that these drums sound great. Unfortunately, I'd rather have cardboard box samples than be a cog in the wheel of a Walled Garden. Sorry, but not sorry Spectre. Wish I could enjoy them in my DAW, but I'm sure there's enough Kontact Andy's out there whom are fans of Spectre & happy support. Regardless, the drums do sound great, so kudos for that