Sight-In Your Hunting Rifle - PRACTICAL METHOD From Years of Guiding

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  • @benjaminhamm3957
    @benjaminhamm3957 Рік тому +24

    Good stuff. 2 things,
    1 leaving your bolt open between shots/groups will facilitate quicker cooling.
    2 going forward I've decided to attach my ballistic card to my range finder.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +5

      Great tips. thanks

    • @kyoteybear9439
      @kyoteybear9439 Рік тому +11

      Additional cooling tips when you wait between shots. Sit with your rifle pointing vertical, bolt open with the butt stock on the ground. The hot air inside the barrel with rise and exit the barrel, whilst drawing in cooler air from the action end. This is a good method on days with little to no wind to aid in cooling.

    • @RJBiteanerd
      @RJBiteanerd Рік тому +3

      Also helps prevent your SD and ES from getting excessively wide if someone's leaving a live round in the hot chamber.

    • @WanderingBobAK
      @WanderingBobAK Рік тому +1

      @@RJBiteanerd >?

    • @WanderingBobAK
      @WanderingBobAK Рік тому +1

      FFound below ... standard deviation and extreme spread

  • @squatch2461
    @squatch2461 Рік тому +8

    🍻 The good old days of working up a load seem to have become a memory for many of us. There doesn't seem to be much if any cost savings either.

    • @andrewleonard4490
      @andrewleonard4490 2 місяці тому +1

      I've considered reloading my own, but I just don't want all the shit in my garage. Also, these days factory loads have become so much better than they were 30 years ago, there's less incentive to whip up any homebrew.

    • @MrMcGuy
      @MrMcGuy Місяць тому +1

      @@andrewleonard4490 Completely agree. I have enough hobbies, and factory ammo is so good these days what's the point? If you're a competition shooter, fine, but for hunters it honestly seems silly at this point.

    • @percussion44
      @percussion44 19 годин тому

      Currently I can load a box of shells for 33 bucks. To buy a box would cost me north of 130 dollars (257 weatherby). That's quite a savings.

  • @shootdeer9662
    @shootdeer9662 Рік тому +9

    Using your torque wrench to remove screws may be more harmful than leaving them at your torque spec. They are often not designed to work that way.

  • @awsomefilms1422
    @awsomefilms1422 Рік тому +1

    I really enjoy all of your videos and have watched them over and over. I have learned more from watching them again. Thanks for taking the time and I love your passion

  • @dronus4815
    @dronus4815 Рік тому +10

    Why the dry fire process?

    • @brianwalker1933
      @brianwalker1933 3 місяці тому

      Bordering on the "obcessive" l'd say. For the amount of dry firing he does, he should consider using a snap cap.

    • @blanejohnson9045
      @blanejohnson9045 9 днів тому

      He’s trying to train out and eliminate recoil anticipation.

  • @aarons307
    @aarons307 Рік тому +8

    Fun video. For a 150 out of a 7mag, I'd say that load is on the slow side. One thing you should probably do is go shoot at the farthest distance you're comfortable shooting a game animal at and verify your drops. Chronograph readings and bc's can sometimes be a little off. Just more fine tuning and massaging of data till its as close as it can be.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +16

      I agree.
      I have found that "running the yard lines" is the best approach to get your actual ballistics, holds, etc... Only issue I have had recommending that is that 80-90% of hunters have a hard enough time finding a 100yd range to shoot their rifle at. Very few folks have access to a 300/400/700 yards range

    • @garyk76
      @garyk76 Рік тому +1

      I agree that's basically 30/06 velocity

    • @88decor
      @88decor Рік тому +1

      It’s very typical bullet speed for a tikka,tikka’s know to have slower barrel speeds. I’ve sighted and ran Ballistic turrets for hundreds of rifles professionally and most people think they’re rifles run a lot faster than they are. And there’s a hand off of group size and sd’s of your muzzle speeds shot to shot. Speed is not always what you want to be after most rifles perform better at near max and backed off. Speed without the under .250 inch group at 100 and single digit standard deviations is unacceptable you’ll just quick miss animals /targets haha

  • @emoryfindley8702
    @emoryfindley8702 Рік тому +1

    I agree with the barrel cooling- I think the grass is going to grow very well there.

  • @2K9s
    @2K9s Рік тому +8

    Great interview on JRE!
    Your UA-cam channel will absolutely blow up once people are introduced to your experience and personality.
    All the best.

  • @IntenseAngler
    @IntenseAngler Рік тому +1

    Awesome video as always man! You've definitely got your methods down pat. Said it before and I'll say it again... always pick up something new after watching your vids Cliff! 👍 Thanks brother!

  • @striderwolf687
    @striderwolf687 Рік тому +3

    Really great vid and I never thought of group 2 diff grain bullets like you did. Nice! Great ending to the vid too.

  • @SocketSilver
    @SocketSilver Рік тому +2

    Hey man, you were so interesting on JRE. The shot about MetaVerse had me knee slapping. You made Joe laugh. One of my favorite episodes.

  • @DrewEdwardBacklas
    @DrewEdwardBacklas Рік тому +26

    Another tip if you want to zero at 200 yards zero at 100 first. When you move to 200 do NOT correct your windage only elevation. At 200 you can see wind deflection and if you correct for that in your zero you will be off when the wind is calm or blowing the opposite direction. This will compound at greater distance.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +2

      Another great tip! Thanks drew

  • @1917Enfield
    @1917Enfield Рік тому +2

    Good, practical, no-nonsense stuff!
    Thanks Cliff!

  • @journeyman7189
    @journeyman7189 Рік тому +1

    Excellent method Cliff. I've always found it confusing and this definitely helps.
    Nate

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      Great to hear. Thanks Nate 👍

  • @benjaminbenedict7779
    @benjaminbenedict7779 Рік тому +1

    I’ve had great grouping with the Remington core lokt tipped

  • @BCvictoria
    @BCvictoria Рік тому +1

    Awesome seeing your interview on JRE, Cliff! Always useful information coming out of this channel 😁

  • @RJBiteanerd
    @RJBiteanerd Рік тому +2

    In addition to the waiting between shots, I also leave the chamber open to help cool quicker. It also prevents weird speed spreads of putting a cartridge in a hot chamber and letting it sit.
    One of the best thin profile barrels I've found is the new Bergara CURE carbon barrels. It stays sub half MOA out of a sled for 5 shots and opens to a little over 1 MOA at 10.

  • @bryanfox2735
    @bryanfox2735 Рік тому +1

    Solid lesson brother!!!!💪🇺🇸💯🦅!!! Good luck this season yall!!!!

  • @jamesmooney5348
    @jamesmooney5348 Рік тому +2

    Love the 7mm-08.
    Twice, I have found my action bolts had come loose. That's a good tip.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +1

      Yeah for sure. I’ve had them loosen several times. Although it shouldn’t be possible if someone is always using a torq wrench, I’ve also seen a bunch of over-torqued tikka forearm screws

    • @jackshoffstall7677
      @jackshoffstall7677 Рік тому +1

      @@CliffGray It is because the Tikka manual recommends 65 in pounds which is way too much for the flimsy plastic stocks.

  • @fattigla
    @fattigla Рік тому +1

    I tape on both sides of the card like you did in the video. Then I use the velcro brand industrial stength pads to stick it on the rifle. Loop strip on the rifle, hook strip on the range card. I've found that the adhesive in the velcro strips sticks very well to both the card and the stock. And where you have limited space the card doesn't necessarily need to be stuck completely to the rifle as if you just taped it directly to the stock. I have good luck if its not in a place where it is riding between you and the rifle when you are carrying the rifle or have is slung, where your body can rub or catch on it. I normally just stick it to the strong hand side of the buttstock, but right in front of the ejection port would probably work too for a card as small as yours.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      Love it. Great tip. Thanks for sharing

  • @mattcomchoc2957
    @mattcomchoc2957 Рік тому +1

    to help with barrel (and suppresor) cooling i keep a lil spray bottle with a water/alcohol mix in it, and spray the barrel between shots. alcohol evaporates quickly and takes a lot of heat with it. just make sure you're using a mix that's enough water to not be flammable.

  • @milo555100
    @milo555100 Рік тому +3

    You articulate your craft very well. You back it up with amazing groups out of a sporter weight rifle. Watching all your vids. Subscribed. Thank you. I use the same chrono.
    May I come out west from FL and hunt with ya?😂.
    I appreciate you giving the time and effort it takes to share your skill and advice. God Bless!!

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      Thanks man! really appreciate the support for the videos. Here in the next few years, I'll be putting some hunts together... so maybe you can come out!

  • @jeremysmith5363
    @jeremysmith5363 Рік тому +4

    Why the dry fire? just wondering.. .. I have always been told it messes the firing pin up....or is that an ole wives tale?

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +4

      On center fire rifles it’s an old wives tale. I just do it because it allows me to reduce any glitching I’m developing due to recoil, after shooting several shots. It tights my groups up.

    • @vicjones1179
      @vicjones1179 Рік тому

      Dry firing is one of the best exercises for ultimate accuracy for when a live round is fired.
      On the hunting side of things Jack O'Connor dry fired alot and snipers dry fire alot as well.
      After a trigger pull dry firing most times the crosshairs will shift off the aiming point of the target and You continue the exercise of dry firing until the crosshairs no longer shifts off the aiming point, and that's the purpose of dry firing.
      I don't know if Cliff uses one or not or for sure if dry firing hurts any part of the gun or not but they make dummy cartridges cartridge specific that has a spring loaded primer area that deadens the firing pin blow like a live cartridge to ensure that no damage is being done to anything and that's what I use , but like Cliff I've never heard of anyone stating that dry firing practice damaged the rifle

    • @freedomlover425
      @freedomlover425 Рік тому

      It messes up the firing pin on some rimfires (22lr etc) because the firing pin will hit the edge of the chamber. On centerfire, as stated, no problems.

    • @JimParvin-o9e
      @JimParvin-o9e 6 місяців тому

      Carlos Hathcock knew that dry firing is critical for precise trigger control.

  • @DrewEdwardBacklas
    @DrewEdwardBacklas Рік тому +2

    When getting velocity numbers I like to shoot at least 5, preferably 10 rounds. My chronograph will calculate standard deviation and extreme spread, but if not you can put your numbers into a statistics app and calculate SD and ES. A less consistent ammo can translate to large elevation spreads in your group at longer distance. Also it’s a good idea to collect velocity data at varying ambient temperatures. You can then graph the average velocities vs temperature and predict what you average will be at the extreme temperature swings you expect to see in the field. For instance collecting velocity data on a 90 degree day and then going hunting when it’s 20 degrees you can see quite a difference in velocity.

  • @TheWVgoodguy22
    @TheWVgoodguy22 Рік тому +1

    Excellent advice and overview on your process. It is nice to find two loads that can work well for your rifle especially with the ammo shortage and reloading supplies crisis we find ourselves in. Thanks 🙏 for sharing Cliff.

  • @andrewditommaso8407
    @andrewditommaso8407 Рік тому +2

    I have a new rifle coming this week. Browning x bolt 270 win. My daughter and I are starting setup and training for 2025 hunt.
    I will be trying this.
    Thanks, Cliff

  • @nicolasjones5276
    @nicolasjones5276 Рік тому

    Really like your videos I to had that same chrono but finally broke down and got a magneto speed. It was life changing much more consistent and accurate

  • @DanielGuillette
    @DanielGuillette Рік тому +1

    Like the idea of noting zero point of each type of ammo.
    One thing that helps keep cool the rifle is leaving the bolt open and a chamber cooler helps, for me in south Texas it’s almost always 90-95 outside and I wait 7-8 minutes between shots. With a chamber cooler I can cut that in half.

  • @paulshaffer1541
    @paulshaffer1541 Рік тому +2

    At the 5:55 second mark of the video, turn the volume way up. Wearing headphones will help you hear it. Tell me what you all think.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +2

      Bwhaha I actually went back and listened… it’s the sound of cycling the and shuffling the gun between shots sped way up (to tighten up the length of the video) but it does sound a little “wild” Bwhaha

    • @paulshaffer1541
      @paulshaffer1541 Рік тому +1

      @CliffGray alright, makes sense man. Thanks, the video is great. You're a huge help.

  • @tythomps
    @tythomps Рік тому +2

    Awesome, practical tips!
    Get yourself a battery powered mattress pump adapted to a hose and cool that barrel quicker between shots.

  • @RubenMiranda-g9k
    @RubenMiranda-g9k 10 місяців тому

    Great info, Thanks Cliff !

  • @codylasater6774
    @codylasater6774 Рік тому +1

    Grind out the two barrel buttons in the tikka to fully free float the barrel. It will make it much more consistent will a hot barrel.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      thanks cody. You are referring to the contact points in the stock barrel, correct?

    • @johnmadrigal7217
      @johnmadrigal7217 3 місяці тому

      Elaborate please,I'm a slow learner

  • @jackdundon2261
    @jackdundon2261 Рік тому +1

    BARREL COOLING Something I do, I have that DeWalt 20 volt air compressor. I put the big volume pressure hose on it for like blowing up rubber rafts and crap, SLIP that your barrel and run cold air or just room temperature air through your barrel for 30 seconds. It'll cool it down much much faster and you probably already have the tool at home. If not a cheap set of foot pump bells do the same thing wouldn't they?

  • @Hunter-cp4qn
    @Hunter-cp4qn Рік тому +1

    Do you have any outfitters you recommend for elk hunts? Looking for guided to get into it!

  • @JimParvin-o9e
    @JimParvin-o9e 6 місяців тому +2

    It's a proven fact that when you let your barrel cool off for fifteen minutes between shots with the bolt open that you will have given the barrel retract from the heat. It also eliminates the heat waves rising from the barrel to impair your sight picture in the scope.
    It's the first shot that counts when you are hunting.

  • @dhaff8411
    @dhaff8411 Рік тому +1

    Cliff love your vids. If not at a range, how important is target elevation?

  • @Tedcz2e
    @Tedcz2e 9 місяців тому +1

    Your method of alternating ammo when testing for accuracy is useful. Better than shooting one ammo then cleaning the barrel and then shooting the second ammo. Also allows for change in wind speed.

  • @LRock-
    @LRock- 7 місяців тому

    I usually do my research on what brand of ammunition is readily available and use that. I use Federal which is always available in a popular caliber of 30-06.

  • @Jasonmbartley
    @Jasonmbartley 3 місяці тому

    Great video thank you. Can you share your ballistic table template?

  • @BillyWeisbergII
    @BillyWeisbergII Рік тому +1

    I appreciate the content, sir.

  • @LRock-
    @LRock- 7 місяців тому

    Yes, I usually shoot 2 shots and look at my target and let my barrel cool as I do my clicks for my 2nd grouping.

  • @aaronsmith21
    @aaronsmith21 Рік тому

    I have the same chrono and I have the same issues. The variability between each round is huge

  • @joshuahammond2321
    @joshuahammond2321 Місяць тому

    I got Ruger predator 6.5 Grendel it's inch high at 100 yards will it be good out to 250 yards hitting bullseye I only have 100 yard range

  • @ronladuke7235
    @ronladuke7235 Рік тому +1

    I would think if you leave your bolt open between shots the rifle will cool faster and more evenly?

  • @jamesmooney5348
    @jamesmooney5348 Рік тому +2

    Some say those style of chron's are inconsistent. -I have one as well. They say the labradar is one of the ones that is consistant and accurate. -idk. I plan on getting one, none the less. Be a good test to use both in line to test against one another.
    Good vid Cliff. I like Tikkas...

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +2

      I’ve actually compared these cheap chronos to the high-end ones. In the conditions we compared them, there was almost no difference. However, I question in the bright sun if there isn’t a quality/consistency issue. 🤷

    • @jamesmooney5348
      @jamesmooney5348 Рік тому +1

      @@CliffGray Wow, nice. Well, I won't trip as much with the one have then...

    • @Tyanmax99
      @Tyanmax99 Рік тому +1

      @@CliffGray I'm glad you brought this up...I need a chronograph and loathe the idea of spending $600 for a Labradar. I'll probably end up buying a similar one you;re using.

  • @RMM--uv7uk
    @RMM--uv7uk Рік тому +1

    What balistic card print out are you using. I usually just Write mine down. But I'm definitely interested in a nice clean printout.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      I use the Ballistics Iphone app. I screen capture the output and print

  • @romerorichard8
    @romerorichard8 2 місяці тому

    What bipod set-up are you running?

  • @snowplow7883
    @snowplow7883 Рік тому +1

    After sighting in the rifle, i let the rifle cool down to ambient temperature then fire a three round group quickly as if the bull is still standing… and see what the groups do… in a hunting situation… I have a cold barrel moa rifle that puts the first two shots on target, but wow the hot third shot opens up the group significantly… so I know what to expect from the rifle in a hunt…

  • @benreed4744
    @benreed4744 Рік тому +1

    Hey Cliff. Do you ever have problems with your scope getting knocked out of alignment when in a scabbard on a horse? Any tips to prevent this from happening?

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      Good rings and a tightening protocol. Check out my $1,500 mtn rifle video. I show how I install scopes.
      I also torque my screws to spec before any shooting practice.
      Haven’t had an issue in years.
      I’ve dealt with many clients with issues. Almost always cheap rings or rings tightened out of balance so scope ring has less than full contact with scope tube. 👍

    • @tristantimothy1004
      @tristantimothy1004 7 місяців тому

      LIGHT Sanding that stupid gloss off the inside of your rings helps a LOT.

  • @christopherchoay9429
    @christopherchoay9429 Рік тому +1

    Cliff great stuff as always! Off topic, is that a peach tree orchard in the background? Where in our beautiful state of Colorado is that?! Work keeps out of town during harvest season and I’ve always wanted to feed that inner child in me to pick my own basket of peaches 😅, then sell it to my neighbors as Palisade peaches 😆 (j/k).
    Back to topic: When I zero my babies, I always bring different loads and always take notes-weather, elevation, temperature, etc. Especially nowadays when a box of ammo cost the same as a nonresident elk tag 🙄. Every round counts!
    Stay safe and keep them educat-maction coming for new hunters like myself 🇺🇸

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      Thanks man! This video was actually done out in Eastern Oregon. I do like me a palisade peach though! 👍

  • @ryangoby9095
    @ryangoby9095 Рік тому +1

    What bipod do you have on that rifle? I've never seen one with that wide of a base before.

  • @kevinberger6126
    @kevinberger6126 Рік тому

    What’s the additional dial you have on the scope beside the parallax dial?

  • @walton-kb2ku
    @walton-kb2ku Місяць тому

    Why not just laminate cards and have them in your stock’s zippered pouch? Good video thanks the info.

  • @themouas
    @themouas Рік тому +1

    Does lower magnification reduce parallax errors?

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +1

      Yea. It’s probably splitting hairs on most hunting rifle setups. But yes, at lower magnification it’s very easy to adjust and remove the parallax. At high magnification it takes precise adjustments to remove it all.

  • @KC-7mm
    @KC-7mm Рік тому +1

    Great video I will say I’m not on board with waiting that long in between shots for the sole reason that if you have to make a fallow up shot or two and your gun doesn’t group well unless you wait 5 minutes between shots does nothing for my peace of mind when shtf even with the amount of shooting I do if my gun can’t perform to the standard I have I’ll work up a different load, try different factory ammo or sell the gun. Nothing wrong with your method I personally choose another method still good video with nuggets that people can pick up on to help out with this stuff.

  • @1duv
    @1duv Рік тому +2

    I CANT BELIEVE YOU MADE IT ON JRE I AM SO HYPED RIGHT NOW

  • @pemborsky
    @pemborsky Рік тому +1

    Holy shit dude, your JRE episode just dropped!

  • @davidcronic6488
    @davidcronic6488 Рік тому +1

    Awesome video. Would you consider the core lokt tipped a viable elk round?

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      Yes, I’ve seen a bunch of bulls killed with them. In the end, shot placement is king.

    • @davidcronic6488
      @davidcronic6488 Рік тому +1

      @@CliffGray thank you sir. I’m going on my first elk hunt this year and I have been wanting to get opinions on them.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      Good luck man!

  • @kylejohnson1308
    @kylejohnson1308 Рік тому

    I thought you are suppose to messure from center of the holes for your MOA? It looked like you measure from outside edge of the holes yo the furthest point? It could be an optical illusion tho.

  • @paulkemmesat7716
    @paulkemmesat7716 Рік тому +1

    Great video, I learned a lot. As a hand loader myself, question on your load development, do you also wait 5 minutes between each shot?

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +1

      On tikka barrels I do. I am not an expert on this but I find those lightweight barrels just terrible after a few shots.
      If I don't overdo it on cool down - I can't hardly get anything figured out.

    • @yo2stix
      @yo2stix Рік тому +2

      This is so timely. I was killing my self. Missed a 175 yard blacktail down hill straight on faced buck last season. Lost confidence. Went to the range. Groups from .875-2.5. I was scratching my head. Last year I was .5-1.5. I was shooting more and less waiting. I think I over heated my Tikka.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +2

      @@yo2stix yeah, go try it with a long cool down period. I bet that was the issue! good luck

    • @chrisgunsandguitars1403
      @chrisgunsandguitars1403 11 місяців тому

      @@yo2stixDid you possibly give your rifle bore a very thorough cleaning after that last range session and before the hunt? Some rifles shoot some poor MOA groups on a clean bore until they have 3,4,5 fouling shots thru them. Also 175yds downhill, depending on angle, could have been actually 100yds horizontal. Gust of wind, buck fever, other reasons than temp of your barrel can invite a miss. It happens. Clean cold bore is a biggie though. I have an expensive rifle that needs 5 shots thru it after a thorough cleaning to get it back to 3/8 MOA.

    • @yo2stix
      @yo2stix 11 місяців тому

      I think it was my rest was not good. My scope has a wondering zero and it’s been cerakoted 3 times. I think that combo had me a mess. I killed a buck 3 months back at 225 and it was 4” low. Not where I aimed. So I get a nightforce. Gonna set it all back up and see where we’re at.
      Thanks for your thoughts.

  • @brianrobinson1975
    @brianrobinson1975 Рік тому +2

    weigh each round before you fire them ,,, organize them by weight in the box ,,, easy way to tighten up groups

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      great tip! love it. thanks

    • @brianrobinson1975
      @brianrobinson1975 Рік тому +1

      @@CliffGray also a good way to verify factory quality control on ammunition or hand loads

    • @Tyanmax99
      @Tyanmax99 Рік тому +2

      Such a simple thing to do and I never thought about it. Great suggestion.

  • @Aengus1385
    @Aengus1385 Місяць тому

    Why not chronograph while sighting?

  • @xforce708
    @xforce708 8 днів тому +1

    For decades now I’ve used that type chronograph for archery, but never really trusted it for rifles. Mainly because I saw too many discrepancies with arrows outdoors. This video is a year old and I’m hoping you’ve improved your setup with a radar? Think how many dollars and ammunition that’ll be saved as you read every shot. I run the Garmin and it’s a game changer, even for my archery

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  8 днів тому +1

      Yes, I use a Garmin now. Way better 👍

    • @xforce708
      @xforce708 8 днів тому

      @ I keep telling Who_Tee_Who he’s wasting money not owning one. 😳

  • @MrHf4l
    @MrHf4l Рік тому +1

    That much variability in velocity is more common than not with factory ammo in my experience. I don’t think it was your chrono.

  • @clayniss
    @clayniss Рік тому +1

    Cool video. Why not set up your scope for 100 yard zero and spin your dial to 2.5 MOA or whatever your 200 yd dope is and carry it around like that. By sighting in 1" or 2" high at 100 yds you're adding unnecessary variables in my opinion. Look into a MagnetoSpeed chrono. Pretty cheap and so much easier to use.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +1

      Hey Clayton, you could do it that way. The reason I don’t is I’d have to remember to bring the dial back to X each time instead of just dialing it back to the zero and zero stop on my scope. Personal preference.

  • @f64ecc
    @f64ecc Рік тому +1

    Just want to point out that many rifles with really clean/oily barrels will need a fouling round or two before they settle down. Clean does not equal accurate.

  • @devante5885
    @devante5885 11 місяців тому

    A few things you should of mention was to verify your data card on how far your shooting don't assume your going to hit 500 plus yards off your card. And another tip you should zero your choice of ammo not have it 1 inch or 2 inches high etc. Tip 3 your scope has turrets why wouldn't you put yards and moa or mils you need to dial. Not bullet drop

  • @88decor
    @88decor Рік тому +1

    The actions screws don’t do that, also it does matter what yardage you sight in at, your ballistics are almost worthless if you don’t have perfect data entry. Also the grouping especially the Berger that is not the reason bergers are to within .02 grains usually. Circular groups are better than vertical strings but it could be you starting with a clean cold bore instead of a fouled cold bore group. Also always shoot your groups at max magnification if it’s a x38 or less your groups will be smaller. As far as parallax get the crosshairs clear and target clear if you at that point slightly head move up and down while looking through your scope and the crosshairs move or slightly bend then your parallax is off and that will make your groups increase in size.

  • @ericm425
    @ericm425 6 місяців тому +1

    A Leupold CDS will eliminate the need for a ballistics chart

    • @OldelCpt
      @OldelCpt 3 місяці тому

      Only good for one exact load. Change the load and one needs a chart again.

  • @sheerwillsurvival2064
    @sheerwillsurvival2064 Рік тому

    Great information and tips as usual 👍🏻👊🏻

  • @kylejohnson1308
    @kylejohnson1308 Рік тому +1

    You shouldn't use your torque wrench to loosen your screws I was taught. It could make your torque wrench out of spec. 🤷

  • @striderwolf687
    @striderwolf687 Рік тому +1

    Awesome seeing ya on JOE ROGAN!!!

  • @jefferywilliams7687
    @jefferywilliams7687 Рік тому +1

    Droop a bath towel over your chronograph and it will stop the light issues. Make sure you use a new battery

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      thanks. appreciate the trip. ill try it

  • @sw5315
    @sw5315 Рік тому +2

    Use a luggage tag for your card.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому

      That’s a great tip. Thanks

  • @kevinrickard6246
    @kevinrickard6246 Рік тому +1

    Why do you do all the dry firing, waiting and then rush the shot?? You should breathe and take time on the shot because that's what counts.

    • @johnkoenig496
      @johnkoenig496 7 місяців тому +1

      I think he KNOWS how to shoot !!!!

  • @charlesludwig9173
    @charlesludwig9173 Рік тому +1

    Treat any zero as a placeholder, no problems ever.

  • @actionjacksondan
    @actionjacksondan Рік тому +1

    Makes no sense to zero 2” high at 100 with an adjustable turret verses 200 yard zero. Zero at 200, you are golden from 100- 250 and you have clean dope adjustments further on. The idea of a broad zero was old school mentality with high velocity calibers, no reason to not be precise these days with the optics out there

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +3

      Why does it matter? It really doesn’t matter as long as I have adjustments calculated. However, the majority of hunters don’t have access to zero at 200yds on a 200yd range. Of course you can “zero” at 200yds, at a 100yd range… that’s where the 2” at 100yds originated.

    • @actionjacksondan
      @actionjacksondan Рік тому +1

      Aside from the “ most hunters don’t have access to 200yd range” argument, I like to know the exact range I am zeroed at in the event I need to thread the needle. It is also much easier to work with a wide range of ballistic calculators to figure out your dope as some require an exact zero. I get it, the two inch high will work for most guys, but I would rather know exactly where I am zeroed and be able to punch in my data to a calculator without any guessing.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +2

      @@actionjacksondan I gotcha but I don’t think we disagree. Did you watch the whole video? I always get my exact zero and use that in a ballistics calc. I mention 2” high at a 100yds as a rough estimate of where I like being. In this video I end up 1” high on one round and 1.2” high on the other.

    • @clayniss
      @clayniss Рік тому +1

      Unless you have a rifle that shoots 1/4" groups and you're zeroing your rifle indoors, I'd really try not to zero at 200 yds. Think about how many variables you're introducing into your setup by doing that.

    • @xfighter1117
      @xfighter1117 Рік тому

      I 0 all my turret scoped riffles at 200. Just makes more sense to me.

  • @johnjacobs3502
    @johnjacobs3502 Місяць тому

    ........

  • @lmbear
    @lmbear Рік тому +1

    A lot of poor information here. You should not have to wait 5 minutes between shots. You may have a mechanical issue going on with your rifle if it's stringing shots after the first 2, as you stated. I'd look into that, maybe glass bed your rifle. You should also keep the bolt open, if you are actually letting the barrel cool. You also don't need a torque wrench. Unless you have never worked on a rifle or anything mechanical before. As to your statement about your rifle shooting poorly after a fall: even the roughest fall should not affect POI, unless you actually damaged the scope in the fall. A good set of mounts and rings will keep everything very secure. Unless you did not "torque" the mounts and ring screws properly, or you are just using a cheesy set of mounts and rings .Then you could have issues. You probably did not tighten the mount and ring screws enough and did not loctite stuff. You always want to use blue loctite on the mount screws, not the ring screws. You may be a new shooter without a lot of trigger time under your belt, the reason you think you need to dry fire so much? That is also not necessary, if you actually get out there and shoot. A lot of things you are doing are counter productive.

    • @CliffGray
      @CliffGray  Рік тому +3

      1. the barrel heat issue on these guns is common.
      2. 5 minutes is my rule of thumb, don't have any issues when I do that. Probably overkill, might not be. Works just fine under cold/warm/hot conditions, sun/cloudy, bolt open, bolt closed, etc... I'd rather be patient then jump the gun and then have to go through the whole process again for confirmation.
      3. I can't tell you how many hunters' rifles I have found that have under torqued screws, or over torqued (particularly forearms). It does matter.
      4. The easiest way for me to calm down a hunter in the field and make the next shot more accurate is to have them dry fire in between shots - personal preference but in my experience it is low hanging fruit to take out shooter's inaccuracy out of the equation when grouping rounds.
      The fall this rifle took - the scope turrets were smashed to the point of not even being able to be turned - its was on a pack with a 65lb ram cape, went down a scree chute a couple hundred feet. You are correct - good mounting and rings with a good optic should be good in falls other than the most drastic. this was the most drastic

    • @edwardabrams4972
      @edwardabrams4972 Рік тому +5

      From my short 60+ years of hunting and collecting and reloading and coming from a grandfather who was a marksman in the military dry-firing knowmatter how long you have been shooting helps calm you down and helps to focus! Most of the greatest snipers all do a lot of dry firing for a reason!

  • @johnkoenig496
    @johnkoenig496 7 місяців тому +1

    Remington ammo is always very slow.

  • @charlesporter1148
    @charlesporter1148 Рік тому

    The most fundamental principle of rifle shooting is ignored by using these bipods which do not allow the free floating rearward recoil of the rifle to take place unrestricted..just another example of blindly following the latest popular tend without thinking about repercussions..

  • @nicolasjones5276
    @nicolasjones5276 Рік тому

    Really like your videos I to had that same chrono but finally broke down and got a magneto speed. It was life changing much more consistent and accurate