The Difference in Show Line and Working Line German Shepherds with GSM
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Working line are great with kids, especially if the child has been around the dog for most of its life. My Shepherd is 7 yrs old and still has the energy and stamina of a younger dog, he’s always on. Great video, really enjoyed it.
Thanks a LOT predators3085...GSM
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My son got a working line GSD pup at 9 weeks. She is absolutely the smartest dog I have ever worked with. He took her on the road at 4 and half months and that's when the trouble started. She was sick when he took her out but we didn't know it because his vet cleared her for travel. We changed vets after this and he brought the dog home because when she started feeling better she started biting him while he was driving. He is an over the road trucker and got this pup for companionship and protection. When she got home, I enrolled her in obedience classes and we got dismissed after the first class. It turns out my 50lb 5 month old pup was too "formidable" for my classmates. I enrolled her in puppy boot camp with a trainer that trains Czech working line German Shepherds. He had her listening and responding in less than 10 minutes without a word. We love this dog and want the best for her. My son and I co-own the pup for the time being. He wonders if the working line was the best choice for him. She is 1/2 DDR, 1/4 Czech and 1/4 Western working line. She is intense during training but also very playful and affectionate. Any opinion as to whether this dog will be a good road companion for him? She does guard me in public. That's part of why she is in boot camp.
If it were me...I would get a more mellow personality for road work. GSM
I was lied to by the breeder. I have had G Sheps my whole adult life. Never had a problem! Luz is a solid black AKC G.S. She is now 8. Still jumps or climbs over 6 ft fences, listens SOMETIMES, is a bully to many other dogs, gets too excited to be allowed alone with my little dog, loves me dearly, and has driven me almost crazy! Many times I have almost given up, but there's no one I would trust to take her. I think she should have been a cop dog. I love her, but I'm 74 now and Luz will definitely be my last G. Shep. Be careful who you buy from. Backyard breeders are never a good idea! They are wonderful dogs, but they are not all the same!
Our little girl Charlie is a Czech German Shepherd and she is just the most wonderful dog I have ever had in my life. We keep her busy and she keeps us busy. I love how sweet she is, we have a cat that is a brat that bites and claws her and Charlie NEVER retaliates. She is so patient. And what's crazy about it is she is only 5 MONTHS OLD. Working GSD are the best dogs to ever own. They are so smart and wonderful family dogs.
LOVE IT Kayla!!! GSM
You mean a Bohemian Shepherd?
DDR Shephard, always "on". Very protective of family. Endless drive. Does not get along with other Dogs or strangers. Best dog ever.
I absolutely love when you say "bruh"
Thanks Bibek...GSM
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@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 Hi German Shepherd Man, I must admit that I too love it when you call your dogs "bruh", and when you even call the little puppies "bruh".
Showline german shepherds have hind legs that clearly look deformed. Working german shepherds have a morphology similar to a wolf, what dogs are meant to look like. You can tell they're so much healthier even from the way they move.
Amen, so glad that someone else notices this. It breaks my heart seeing them walk out of the ring - hind legs look crippled at the walk- look SUPER weak. It is heartbreaking to me, I wish that type wasn’t rewarded in the show ring, which encourages breeder to breed that type since that is what rewarded. 🤦♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️
They have those hind legs like that because they are breed like that. They are still gorgeous dogs with a little slope in the back, they don’t look deformed.
@@stephangray1619 That's what he means. Deformed by human selection.
Absolutely, at least from the way I see it, dogs must be bred to be healthy and functional companions, and even if they breed them for their looks I don't think they even look great, just like pugs they don't look good (at least to me) they're bred to be very unhealthy.
My showline breeder has full bite titles on all their males and the highest possible SV health ratings on all of their dogs. This is definitely just not true.
I've never owned a german shepherd though they are one of my favorite breeds. My mother and I don't like the show lines because they're backs are horrible and it causes so many issues. I personally want a working line. I want a dog I can swim, run, and play with all the time! I like the drive. And I also love the black and sables. My mom is like (thanks to me lol.) OBSESSED with sable shepherds. Can you blame her? I love these dogs for their amazing personality and willing to please. Great dogs! I love your videos keep it up!
BlueTheWhiteWolf I’ve got an 8 week old sable puppy! He’s been great so far, super beautiful dogs!
i recently got a showline gsd, are they still very active dogs too? Because I want to hike with him, swim, etc.
@@erinsellers8622 yes they are
@@isaax1198 awesome I'm getting my pure Czech pup in a few months
Hes a dark sable
My sister adopted a 4 year old West German show line GSD from Germany. He’s pink sheeted, schitzund level three, scent trained, over all medium drive compared to a true working line, with an off switch, 100 lbs, absolutely healthy and beautiful to look at, he’s totally bomb proof, and very even tempered. I’m not a pet person, but I love that dog. Even I can show him something, how to do it, practice it once, and then he’s got it down.
Sounds like a GREAT one...GSM
@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 The story of how they found each other is really extraordinary, however since it involves illegal activities by the previous owner I don’t think it’s something that should be mentioned on social media.
Love the video. I have a 6 month old all back, East German working line. I definitely know what you mean when you say he’s always “on” lol.
Thanks for sharing!!
I'm an American show line GSP... &
I DEFINTELY have that show dog attitude!!
The pic of Baki is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 Thank you GSM!! I'm going to be posting a lot of videos when he comes home and show him growing throughout his life
They know when they win! They also know their show lead versus their regular one. My Miniature Schnauzer has peed on my shoe twice because he knew we won...🤣 He’s never done it in any other situation, but at the show, he thinks he’s pretty hot stuff. 😂😂
My Tanya was a working dog. When I went to the breeder, I knew it was her because she ran towards me. I did triathlon and she gets all giddy up when I start rolling my bike or tie my shoes. She runs with me. When I ride my bike for easy rides, she runs beside me. I slow down my speed so she can keep up.
She died at 15. A day after I came home from an adventure race. I won the race but took home an injury. She wanted that night to run with me as I ride my bike. But I couldn't. I never thought that would be her last.
My grandmother told me that she may have traded her soul to the dog gods to save me because during that race, I fell into a ravine with only a badly sprained ankle and still miraculously crossed the finish line.
I haven't moved on from her death. It's been 12 years and I haven't adopted a dog ever since. 15-year-old Tanya will never be forgotten. That being said, thank you for your videos. It helps me recover and maybe soon I'll get another GSD. I still do long distance running no and less of tri so the dog will always be tired I guess.
Great now I'm crying
This is a beautiful story thanks for sharing
When you do get another dog, please adopt one from a shelter 🙂
I had one GSD from Germany with Pink Papers west german working dog and he was the best dog ever, but when he was young he was a handful. Lucky for me I had a police K9 friend who helped me because he wanted to work all the time. He was so attentive wanting to please and work. ❤
A higher drive one can be a handful, but I've learned they are the easiest to train. I use their FAVORITE toy or activity and they JUMP to do the commands. GSM
@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 Yes indeed. I totally agree. They are the smartest and easiest dog to train because they really want to train and work .
I'm a new dog trainer and working line German Shepherds are what I specialize in. I came here to learn more about show lines. This video really helped thank you.
Stay away from them unless you like dealing with a super weak looking rear...which could actually be a bad rear.
@@luvwaltdisney1 I would never personally own a showline I have no actual need to. I'm mostly interested in Czechoslovakia working like GSDs:)
@@doqofwar That’s interesting, we have some Czech lines. 👍
Meant to say our police departments have those lines…lol, I’m a schnauzer person myself.
My working line dog has the off switch. When we are outside it's ball, ball, ball all the time. When we go inside it's the same routine, bowl of water then laying at my feet. As soon as I stand though he gets up and follows me everywhere because he does not want to miss anything.
I like it...GSM
My Ivy is 3 years young and is a mix of American show lines and German working lines. She's a beautiful, smart girl. Loves people and doing scent work.
Excellent!!! GSM
I got a working line German Shepherd 3 years ago. I had wanted to have at least one litter of pups from her, but she is going to get spayed this year. I wasn't going to leave her whole forever. I just couldn't find a male with good working lines that I felt would be a good match. Not many have the personality or conformation. My husband has a show line German Shepherd. Her lack was that her hips were too high and she didn't "sit" back on her heels enough. She is a good Service Dog for my husband. My girl will finish her Service Dog training after she is spayed. Also, not many wanted to prove their dogs were not negative for hip displasia. I love my girl, she follows me and makes sure I don't over do things. She is figuring out that I have seizures and she needs to keep me calm and gets my attention to help me relax and destress.
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My friend has a show line GSD and I have a working line. My boy is 6 years old and I do agility, scent work, and carting with him (and my Rottweiler). My boy hasn’t had any issues aside from being relentlessly toy driven lol. My friends show line shep is only 3 and already has hip problems and has carpal hyperextension but the plus side is that he’s lazy which is better for most families.
Great genetics are soooooo important!!! GSM
No you said it right the frist time it's a job tht wants a job ❤️
I my humble opinion the AKC has done nothing but ruin the American GSD show dogs. Promoting sloped hind legs makes these dogs more susceptible to hip dysplasia. The working breed American GSD is a much more robust dog with proper breeding and good care. I love your videos!
Thanks to the Caveman!!! GSM
I have a Large Straight Back GS - German Working Line - (Name - Stryker). He just turned 2 and is an amazing 120 lbs. His vet said he is an amazing dog and perfect, just large 😀! Just like you mention, he has the large chest and really large head! Stryker needs brain and exercise entertainment every day, but he is amazing. He is also incredibly sweet, but don’t come at me with aggression, because he will definitely protect his mama 😃!
Whatever you do stranger, LEAVE MY MAMA ALONE!! GSM
“straight back” and “120 lbs” sound like the worst red flags to me
@@xAspenn facts. No working line breed weight that much. 😂
I guess it is your opinion in the end but I definitely prefer show lines. I personally have a rather handsome West German show line GSD named Max that participates in many activities such as tracking, obedience and endurance. Working lines are definitely more work driven and closer to the original GSD but they tend to be more aloof than their show line counterparts. They also are usually not suitable for the average family due to their needs of vast mental stimulation and a strong experienced pack leader. Show lines tend to make great, fun and loyal family pets. Many believe that show lines come packed with a whole range of health issues due to their sloped backs but German shepherds in a whole breed aren't exactly the healthiest so you might still need pet insurance if you get yourself a working line. When I was getting my GSD I talked to many owners and they all pointed me into the direction of the show line. Believe it or not I spoke to a West German working line owner and he recommended a show line. Many also believe that show lines lose the tenacity and the guarding ability of the working line but they have proven that show lines can still do protection dog work and guarding to an acceptable standard. I really hate all the cuss about the show line. They don't deserve it.
I had a Vegas du haut Mansard daughter one time...she was Magnificent!!! GSM
I have a WL and SL GSD. The hate we get for having SL dogs is because of poor breeding thanks to back yard breeders. No real show line dog will have hip issues. That’s why it’s best to find a good breeder who make sure all their dogs are OFA cleared. Sadly people only focus on the poorly unheathtested GSDs that back yard breeders have bred.
@@aluradeathwing4667 100%
If you have to breed for timidity and looks, just don't get a gsd. Its like breeding hornless rhinos so they don't get poached.
I had a gsd working line dog she was a wonderful dog. She lived until she was eleven.
They are amazing!!! GSM
Great work here! Wonderful people! Wonderful breed!
Thank you Brad Jackson!!! GSM
Kali is half working line and half show dog. But her working line is dominant for drive. Mom and Dad "Ran off together" LOL
That right there is FUNNEE!!! We love Bill M...GSM
Bill M OK! Your description about the Mom and the Dad running off together.......ROTFLOL🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm chuckling, but trying to chuckle as quietly as I can so I won't wake the rest of the family🤣🤣🤣
@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 We'll just say that Mom and Dad eloped🤣🤣🤣
just wanna say I love your videos!!
Thanks jas...GSM
I recently bought a 8 week old sable GSD. I went to Lancaster Pennsylvania and bought her from an Amish family. I asked every question but the main one if she comes from a working line! Silly me huh lol. I’m trying see if there’s a way I can tell if she is or not. I met her father he was huge and all black. He pulled up the fence and let me have it with his bark. Truly an intimidating fella.
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Great information. Thank you
thank you GSM much respect
You are so welcome...GSM
Do you know the average minimum wage for working line German Shepherds?
😂😂😂👍 Good one!
My working line shepherd outsmarts me all the time. She trained herself to use a toilet. Teaching a new trick is very easy and she keeps me on a schedule
They can train humans!!! GSM
@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 at 9am we go for an hour long bike run. At noon we visit a couple houses and let different dogs pee and play for a half hour each. At 6pm we go to the dog park for an hour and at 9 she gets her joint treats.
If this pattern is off at all she starts hitting me with her nose so we get going.
“Show Line” is a tragedy. Why purposefully breed a dog with defective legs?
It’s so awful. 😢
People think it is cuter that way
the showline i’m getting has a pedigree full of IGP3 and IPO3 titles, along with dogs with the highest possible SV ratings on nearly every single dog. i beg to differ 😊
@@xAspenn so full of winners but only cause their dad is also their uncle and cousin
@@xAspenn but still it has a defective legs nevertheless
Great video. Everything well said!
Hi German Shepherd Man, so do you still have Evy? Evy is beautiful! I was cracking up over your description about show dogs having perfect hair, and that they KNOW it!🤣🤣🤣 I have heard that show dogs have to be PERFECT in every way! I was cracking up when you said that Evy kind of had a show dog attitude🤣😂😉
I was also cracking up when you said that Seargant is NOT a show dog😁😆🤣😂 Seargant us like "Huh? Show dogs? I don't care about that thing called a show ring. I don't want to be a show dog. I'm a WORKING dog, and I WANT to work. Don't ANYBODY put me in that show ring thing!".
OOOHHHHHH YES! I KNOW Big Don! Big Don is "my" special guy🥰😍😊😉❤
Good American Show Lines breed for movement. Some of the angles that people question is due to bad “stacking” or posing of the dog. Check out the GSD the won Westminster “ Rumor” is beautiful and come keep that gait all day long which is what the breed/ bones are designed to do.
Rumor is indeed beautiful, they move beautifully in the ring- they float, but almost all the rears look incredibly weak at the walk. It’s cringey. I don’t understand why judges reward any of it.
I’m here because I show Schnauzer’s. All I know is that while the show dogs are beautiful and they float around the ring. Where I get upset is watching them come out of the ring walking, almost all of them look crippled. Most AKC judges do the right thing, but in GSD’s they reward the dogs that are so extreme that it encourages that breeding. I’d rather have a sound dog.
Thank you for the insight and just so you know,this was a very informative video and I really appreciate it. It's safe to say I'm now a dedicated subscriber😋
Thank you for being a part Radovan Charles...GSM
Outstanding! We have one of each and Wow that explained it to a T!!!
Thank you C C... GSM
It's the American show lines that have that horrible dramatic hip angle and sloping backs, the east German showlines are very similar to the working lines as they need to be able to do the work that a working line would do, they are just bred to have less of a working drive and present themselves more elegantly, they do have a slight angle to the hip but it is not as dramatic and pronounced as the American show line. They also a bit bigger than your typical working line
The difference isn't just in their drive conformation differences are very pronounced. He never mentions that probably to not offend show dog owners.
That’s what I was wondering. It’s cringey watching the show dogs coming out of the ring. 😢😢
@@luvwaltdisney1 nothing wrong with a well bred showline 😁
@@xAspenn I have a well bred showline, just not GSD’s….maybe there are some, but every time I watch the GSD ring, they all look crippled from the back when they are walking. They are stunning when watching them move out though!
I have a black German Shepherd and a white German Shepherd
That's got to be cool looking...GSM
I have 2 working line German Shepherd's i think they are mix with cat's because everytime my mother in law goes to my house they want to jump a 6 footer privacy fence i am telling you they are very smart because i think they just learned by looking at me jumping the same fence when my mother in law shows up
I have a show line. Thank you for all of your wonderful information
You are welcome Trisha...GSM
Curious, how do they fare in the hip displasia department? I can’t imagine how those dogs are even sound from what I see in the ring.
@@luvwaltdisney1 a good breeder will always make sure their SL GSD is OFA clear. My breeders WGSL is all excellent hips elbows etc. only back yard breeders are what have been causing the hip problem Because they never Heath the dogs prior. That’s the issue. If you’re gonna get a show line find a good breeder who puts the health of the dog FIRST.
@@aluradeathwing4667 I know. I show dogs myself. But in the US, try standing in front of the GSD ring, where every one of those breeders are considered to be “good breeders”. Your average pet buyer does not know this. Looking at how crippled they look, I can’t see how they meet the OFA bar. Or perhaps they get crippled later from the deformity. There’s a reason that police departments and Shutzhund people buy from Europe if they want a functional dog that doesn’t break down. It’s really the judges fault because they put the crippled dogs up. Admittedly, they do look impressive when floating around the ring. I could be wrong, it’s not my breed, but I’ve talked to a lot of Shutzhund people and used to work with the police departments and their GSD’s and Malinois are all imported. The difference is quite marked. I’m just curious, do you have this breed or compete with them? I’m just asking because I’m sure there are some good breeders in the US, they just aren’t awarded in the ring from what I see. If we do have breeders like that here, I don’t think many people are aware. I even see pet owners that have bad rears, although not as pronounced as the ones in the ring these days.
@@aluradeathwing4667 p.s. what is WGSL and SL GSD mean? Like I said, it’s not my breed. But I love to learn more. 😊
Hey Jeremy, I have always loved German shepherds but honestly I really, really worry about their sloped back ends. I had a rottweiler who passed away due to hip dysplasia problems. It broke my heart. And the way her back end looked as she passed, looks just like the sloped backed GSD.
My question is, why have breeders done this? For looks, if so, what look? Like a dog with hip dysplasia? It has to contribute to them getting this condition more frequently. Help me out here, why, why, why?
Loooooong answer, Tim. Too long for here...my number is on my website. germanshepherdman.com
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Thank your for your videos. Could you have an idea of how would look puppies from a Show line male and a Work line female? This is what I'm going to get. Both parents are beautiful individuals.
My first dog was that cross. Fantastic animal!!! GSM
Very informative
Thank you ahmad 12...GSM
Can you do a video on the positive and negatives of negative and positive reinforcement when training? That would be great!!
Great idea Matt!!! GSM
Hi German Shepherd Man, I second Matt's video request👍🤞
What’s your opinion on what some breeders are calling old fashioned German shepherds?
No idea...GSM
They’re functional, IMO.
Eve is beautiful keep up the good work
Im sorry but I wish you would’ve talked about the health issues with show lines I find it very frustrating that no big German Shepherd owners with a good following express the problems with the show lines why not improve the hip problems why make it a “standard” to have bad hips why not make straight backs the good standard ..again wish you would’ve touched more on that with the show lines like you said “they have to be perfect” but can you explain why the AKC recognizes deformations In the dog as perfect ? 🤔
I don't have enough experience in those areas of show lines to really discuss it as one that is knowledgeable. GSM
German Shepherd Man Official Channel I understand but at the same time I feel you can’t mention the pros of the show lines without mentioning the cons as well... I find that’s the problem is simply people with GSD show lines either don’t know or don’t wanna know .. but the Health and comfortably of the animal should be most important and not Compromising the breeds longevity to be a good working/family owned companion I’ve seen to many “Championship “ show lines be glorified for all the wrong reason I just wish somebody would say something about this because we should be improving the breeds bone structure not destroying it . I respect you and what you do GSM but just had to vent a little on the topic from one GSD owner to another .
Thank you:)
You're welcome! GSM
Do you have advice on gsd that is reactive after being attacked? It's like her confidence is gone, and she is a different dog. She's 2 East german working line
That would take a conversation. Send me an email, charles@germanshepherdman.com, and we'll go from there. GSM
All German Shepherd dogs are working to some degree, they all need a job. Mine guard this 1/2 acre from anything including butterflies. Squirrels are a prize chase for them however they seldom catch one. I did have a GSD that was the fastest dog I had ever seen, if a squirrel was spotted mid-yard he did not stand a chance but fortunately I could call him out and he would break off the chase. At full gate he looked like a cheetah at full speed. His speed was jaw dropping and out of the 20 or so GSD's I have had since 1970 he was the only one like this...
They are a lot like us humans...different talents. GSM
My dogs dad is a german working line (east or west I dont know). Mom is an American line mostly( show or working I dont know). If I sent you a picture, could you tell?
Possibly...I am way behind on emails though. GSM
Hi All, my german shep puppy is about 1.5 years old and she is a straight back (doesn't have any kind of slope) But I notice she has a slight arch sometimes near the middle of her back. Not crazy noticable. Our vet didn't say anything about it when she went in for a check up recently. But I notice it. Anyone know fi this is something I should be watching out for? should I be proactively doing stuff like giving her certain supplements? foods? Should I be concerned? If you choose to respond, please no guesses. If you don't know or not sure, this is not a question for you. Thank you all in advance.
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You are very welcome Simon Bar...GSM
i hope you see this comment, I have a medical disability and have a service dog, I have a lab right now but in the future I want a german shepherd, i love the looks of working line, specifically the all black ones, but i've heard show lines have the best temperament for service work, and working lines would be terrible for it cause they are too crazy (even though I know many service dogs that are working line) Are you familiar with that and can you give any advice as to how you know you can handle a working line GSD if i find the one with the right temperament?
When the puppies are about 6 weeks old visit them and get one that shows confidence with a laid back attitude. A West German Showline from great stock is a great choice in my opinion, but the same observation at 6 weeks would be advisable. GSM
Question!!
So, I've always had SHOW LINE German Shepherds and paid dearly for them and I don't regret that. If I were to get a WORKING LINE German Shepherd would I have to devote a tremendous amount of time on training each day? My Show LINE dogs have down Time as I work. I don't guess that would be great for a WORKING LINE ?
They have drastically different personalities...make sure you pick or have someone pick the right personality puppy that fits your home. GSM
What is a good weight for my 17 month old GSD? When do the males stop growing? Currently, my dog weighs 68lbs.
He will grow until about 2.5 to 3 years of age. A 17 month old could be anywhere from 60 to 90lb....GSM
German Shepherd Man Official Channel thank you for responding GSM!!! Love your videos!
Robert A. Lofgren Jr.
Hello, update... my GSD now weighs 75lbs and looks great. I get plenty of compliments. He’s still growing. He will get about 2 inches longer and he’s just about done in height. If my dog were larger than 85, he would look unhealthy and would be too much for his hips. According to his breeder.
The working line dog has straight back , am i right ?
Yes
What would the puppy be looked like if the mom is short coat straight back and dad is long double coat sloped back GSDs? I can understand it’s 50/50 but what usually turns out in the puppies. Thanks.
That is a genetic calculation that is somewhat complicated. See if you can look up a German Shepherd Coat Gene Chart. GSM
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Hi
I'm looking German shepherd which one is good for family and kid's Male or Female please share your experiences
That would take quite a conversation for me to assess the best answers to your question...GSM
I just got a westgerman/American showline mix would she be considered a west German showline or an American? She’s black/red no to angled of a back with a long coat
I would say a West German Showline/American Showline cross, but that's just me. GSM
I'm interested in getting a working line german shepherd, but I don't know if it may be too energetic for my household. Are their working line GSDs that aren't as hyper, and a little relaxed at times or are they all super hyper all the time? I'm mainly looking a working line because of the health vs showline
Hi Robert...I just emailed an answer to the email I got from you. My number is in the email. GSM
So you think working line is better for service work for people with disabilities or show line? I need the dog to work but I want it to be able to chill in one place when needed
Picking the right puppy as a candidate for what you want to do and THEN put in the training. Those are the two most crucial things in your question's answer...GSM
@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 How easy is it to pick up a puppy that will grow up on the lowest end of the weight/size range? So that it's lighter and more agile. Do such puppies get born often?
My favorite looking GSD is the one from American werewolf. The one where he knocks the werewolf out the window
Somehow I missed that one...GSM
I want a working line gs but how can i tell which one is laid back and chill and which one is active af?
Temperament of the puppies.
Ba3d brevet yaane with cookie. Nice accent good personality
I heard very much that show line are not good and all and are not that healthy from somewhere and also had problems related to their back legs so sir can u make a video about ups and downs about showline how to make them healthy and good so no problems come when it's relate to their back legs
Personally I love the West German Showline dogs...I have had one from Jose Diaz at vomkirsys.com. She was the most intelligent dog I've ever had. GSM
Is there a possibility of any deformity in puppies born as half working and half show line. I am especially interested in knowing if any problem related to hind leg or hip may arise to any puppy in the litter?
My first dog in the 70s was half and half...GREAT dog!!! The hips thing is managed by looking at the past dogs ratings in the pedigrees of the parents. Try out pedigreedatabase.com for that. GSM
Go watch them in the show ring, then watch them walk out of the ring. That will tell you everything you need to know. Half and half might be a great thing if they are able to fix the hip issue. Get OFA reports on the dog.
how do i stop my dog from waking up every morning at 6:00am?
They have a clock...probably can't in my opinion. GSM
Idk man, what kinda working line should i get a Czech line or a DDR or just a West German working line?
DDR lines can produce large and "not so flashy" dogs...West lines will be somewhat smaller and more driven and speedy as a general rule...Czech is for people with a lot of experience. My opinion only...GSM
Ok, thanks for your information
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Hi... Is sloping back / angulation mandatory for a GS dog to qualify as pure?
Not at all...the working lines are straight backed. GSM
@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 thats a big relief.....I got a female with a straight back, few people told she isn't pure since there is no angulation !
GSD Was Actually A Straight Back Dog When It Was Breed. But Later Breeders Destroyed This Breed For Show Purpose
@@pbasu9979 breeding with which breed?
Showlines do not have a sloped back. They have angulation, but their backs are very straight. All german shepherd lines have a degree of angulation and all lines have a straight back.
Hope that helps
So I recently got a black czech gsd, is it true that they tend to be slightly smaller puppies and dogs compared to the American line? I noticed the American line is much larger at times especially in comparison as puppies
American lines to tend to be larger...sometimes TOO large. The Czech government slimmed down the bodies of the original stock they got from East Germany but kept the large head and bone. GSM
@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 ah ok I see. I’ve seen a few owners of the American gsd line mention to me how my Czech gsd looks significantly smaller as a puppy compared to how large their American gsd was that same age. I have seen the comparison and their puppies looked huge compared to my own czech. Thank you
Zeppelin, I have a all black German Shepherd and he is show line as all my dog's are. What a handsome boy he is
He weighs 130 pounds and he is huge. The biggest German Shepherd I ever had
All the black German Shepherds I have seen on you tube they are very large
I want an eastern ddr gsd
They are pretty cool P Manny!!!.....GSM
What would it take to breed out the slope from the West German Showlines.
Generations of selective practices...it would be a job. GSM
Judges stop rewarding it, yet I don’t see that happening any time in the near future.
The entire concept of a show dog is bizarre to me.
Some people love it...I'm into just loving having them around me. GSM
Yeah. Imagine disqualifying a great intelligent, obedient dog for having a slightly wrong tail angle or 'wrong' spots on fur color. It's a joke
@@lightyear3429 it’s like the Nazis of the dog world
What if i want a good family dog but also a dog that can also guard which line should i get?like i want my german shepherd to play with my kids but also listen to commands and guard.
Starting them off RIGHT is the key...I have just published my Online Puppy Training System. You can get it on our website, germanshepherdman.com
Hey. I have been watching your videos. I have fallen in love with gsd. I want to get one in india. Let me know if you have any contact.
I can only deliver in the 48 US states. Thank you.
Lovely Colour
If both are from excellent line.... which one will be more expensive?
They are comparable in my opinion...the key is the breeder's care and upbringing of the pups. GSM
@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 All of the people that I show dogs with raise the puppies in the house, and are socialized quite well. If that is not the case, run away from that breeder. Show dogs on the whole, are some of the happiest and well cared for dogs that I know (minus the weak rear that seems to be in the show lines). Most are thrilled to be at the dog show and the show dogs actually get upset if they are retired and left at home when you show a younger dog. I always take the retired dog to the show and make sure to put his show lead on when we walk around the show grounds. It’s a win/win because the dog is happy just walking the grounds and seeing the other show dogs.
My stud is a show dog and my bitch is a ranch dog, my stud has an immense drive to work as well though and oddly my ranch bred female is more laid back always watching she’s very alpha and observant. I feel some judgement from other breeders regarding her possible breeding in the future apparently they think she is too plain, since I’m not trying to raise show dogs I’m trying to raise amazing ranch dogs I care most about health and temperament as opposed to blue eyes and a fancy coat I guess my question is since I’m not showing her should I still consider breeding her, based on health and amazing temperament alone shes a fantastic choice but she may never produce a show pup. I’m considering a second female from a more showy line so I can produce some of each from my kennel maybe have “show” litters and “ranch” litters, is that common in the working dog world? I need a mentor lol
VERY common!!! Some want "showy" dogs and some want them for a working environment. I like where you are going with it!!! GSM
Heyy Sir I love your Videos Kindly tell me the Price Of Black GSD long coat Puppy I m from India
$100,000
I am in germany and I have looked for what you call west German and there isn’t anything in regards to German shepherds as a breed with shows and what not that is east and west. It’s just Deutsch Schäferhund even then the word Deutsch is not even commonly used only when specified as an old German shepherd *Alt Deutsche Schäferhund* that had different characteristics. I am just wondering if there is such a thing as east and west German shepherds and it is just that the Germans don’t want to say so because of the history or is it just a mistake on your behalf? And if there is and I suspect that differently during that time shepherds on both sides have developed and evolved differently specially with the influence of other breeds from both sides east and west, can one tell the difference between both now ?
The West Working Lines and the East Working Lines are VERY different dogs in many respects. I have both kinds. I can understand the political aspects of trying to cover history...not saying that is going on though as I don't know. GSM
Hello sir, you are right. I have talked to several breeders around my area and also in the west side of germany, and it seems that west german are considered to be the true GSD and the east german breeders say that theirs are just what is close enough to what DDR GSDs were because during that period a lot had died and not a lot of people or breeders actually could afford raising dogs due to famine and hunger. so basically yes there was and there is some what a difference nowadays however it most likely not be as pronounced as it was back then.
I have gsd pure bicolour,workingline or showline? please tell me
You would not be able to tell from color. If you have a pedigree on the dog, you should be able to look it up. A knowledgeable breeder should be able to tell you what you have.
What is more expensive?
It is not about the lines, but the dog really...GSM
Who is the bigger?between show and working line?
There are different working lines...the DDRs are larger and the West working dogs are close to the show lines. GSM
@@germanshepherdmanofficialc7598 Are there working lines that produce smaller dogs?
I wish I knew what line my Jenny was. Her back didn't slope, and she had selective energy. She could be chill if we were chill, or a ba of energy if we were out and about. She was all black, so the summer was her biggest enemy. Her parents were huge, but she had a gimp leg from the time she was a puppy, and as soon as it was amputated, she took off, even when she was drugged up and supposed to be sleeping off the surgery. She was 75lb even with only 3 legs, but she was long and lean, not bulky looking at all. I saw was, but she's still alive, but my ex stole her in the divorce and I was left with our older dog she didn't like, Tammy (still a a awesome dog), which broke my heart because I didn't want to separate them. Anyways, sorry for the personal stuff. If that build rings a bell, I'd be glad to know.
Loved the story...GSM
Sir,puppy shipping available in India.
I do not send any out of the 48 US states...GSM
how about a show and tell about sabel Shepards plz
I'll have to get Maverick in that video...he is a REALLY dark sable!!! GSM
Would be nice if they were different dogs to show examples
WOW , SHOWLINE GSD CAN WIN EASILY IN THE MISS UNIVERSE CONTEST haaaa
but doesn't a dog get tired
Evie what a gorgeous girl!
And VERY intelligent...GSM
Good, maybe they can help pay the bills
What Is DDR German Shepherd?
DDR stands for the initials of the former East Germany, Deutsche Demokratische Republik. These dogs were formed during the years of that nation by the government. GSM
Is It Healthy To Buy A back bend GS . I am looking for Working line GS What are the criteria for a genuine Working line healthy GS.
Showline gsds is sad and unfortunate. Humans bring their selfish best at the expense of a dogs legs
do you know of a reputable german shepherd breeder?
I only know some here in the US. Where are you Shahrooz?
Seattle washington
Any redommendations?
@@szandnia
Did you find a breeder? I'm in Washington state as well. This Facebook group might be a good resource for you. Not allowed to post without proper testing etc.
Check it out. m.facebook.com/groups/1976271649307855/?ref=group_browse
I have show line on my UA-cam channel ❤
GREAT!!!!!
So sad that American breeders created two lines, if you want a true German Shepherd, German lines are the way to go, performance and show in one. German breeding standards are better than American.
Amen. It’s interesting that almost all the police departments get their GSD’s from Europe, same with the serious Shutzhund competitors. Police departments are using Malinois more and more these days, which they also generally get from Europe. Europe is so much stricter than the US on all standards. In most countries, they have to report any disease, health problems, etc. Depending on the issue, you may not be able to breed that dog again. We had a dog in Sweden that got kidney stones and they had to neuter him.
A dog that's been thru cruelty vs one bred correctly.. rather have my dog an extra 5 years than not. Show dog or not.
showlines can be bred correctly