Black Panther & The Superman Dilemma
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Hot off the heels of Avengers: Infinity War, Marvel's Black Panther just came out on digital download. I thought the character has a lot of potential, but to me this movie had one core problem which prevented it from reaching the level of quality it possibly could have... a problem I like to call the Superman dilemma.
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Single movies aside, we lost a great actor who had done fantastic roles and still had so much untapped potential left. RIP King.
Rip 💔
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What made you revisit this video now?
Lmao u commenting tis now?
"If you're nothing without the suit then you shouldn't have it" - Tony Stark, Spiderman Homecoming
He takes a heartshaped herb that gives him superpowers, and as previously stated he defeats the antagonist at the conclusion of the movie with both suits disabled, having previously suffered mortal wounds, presumably making him physically less capable than the antagonist, despite his advanced healing so... He's plenty without the suit, including King of Wakanda.
Well Spiderman still is strong and has healing factor even without the suit... Tony is just a man... He is nothing without the suit
moto moto !? Tony has made a name for himself without the suit he has made so incredible things.
moto moto !?, did you watch Iron Man 3?
Bingo
"oh, and then, chadwick boseman also dies"
this hasn't aged well
Well it predicted the future so there gotta be some point for that
this was made 2 years ago
@@starscream8989 that's worst
@@lancetheking7524 what?
Then you have captain marvel
"guns.. so primitive"
You poke people with a stick and have trial by combat
V i b r a n i u m S t i c k
and a monarchy
@@ender_z4nd3r83 last i checked monarchy isn't primitive
@@alis6581 Probably the second or third most primitive style
@@cavader1381 its not primitive at all, its just strange for a monarch
In the infinity war movie, we find out that the suit is not snap-proof.
Addi S. Koon I guess in the movies it’s not sound proof
Sean Colley don’t you get the joke
DSYR encryption no I do just in comics it’s vibration proof my joke was building off yours saying that the snap caused vibration killing him
Jack 730 what that makes no sense I made the joke it can’t be dead if it’s new it might be bad (well it is but) but still
Jack 730 well I just don’t understand why you have to input when you have nothing to say and your point is irrelevant
That shoes edit made me laugh so hard
damn true
*C O M P L E T E L Y S O U N D A B S O R B A N T*
Imagine if those shoes were the only thing he had in Black Panther 2 and slowly got his claws back, pants for sprinting, chest for armour and finally the helmet for the final fight.
Sad we won't see this though. Wasn't too big of a fan of this movie...
But overlooks the room edit? 😑
Fucking casuals
Man It Got ME Too
I think the best way to approach overpowered characters is to make them vulnerable in other ways, risk of losing friends, family, social status, ect. Like with Dr. Manhattan. Or put them in situations that challenge their motives, like spiderman 2.
Agreed. The Superman dillema is a challenge to be met, not a problem to be avoided.
I disagree, the mere existence of the Superman dilemma is a trap that inevitably drains interest faster than watching grass grow. To write your character into this scenario is like taking a plane that can go anywhere (from a story perspective) and trading it in for a train that can only go back and forth on a track.
Take Superman for example, the only way his stories are any good is if someone has kryptonite, can destroy the world, or endanger his loved ones. Then they rinse, repeat, rinse repeat , rinse repeat again and again and again. Then at the point you have two options, keep raising the external stakes (collateral damage, world at risk ,etc.) or break the laws of the character you first put in motion. (Like they did in infinity war and end-game) but if you do either the audience is still not fully convinced ...it’s difficult for the audience to buy in once the laws have been established making them overpowered, you might be able to convince them eventually but it’s a trap that cuts your options down regardless... for example black panther will never have a high stakes battle without his suit. To have that be the case for your character is a problem.... or for Superman, the only way his battle is tense is if kryptonite is involved. It becomes way too constricted and boring.
Dr Manhattan was not a main character and was effectively separated from the main plot. Allowing tension to take place elsewhere. If they were to make more than one movie with Manhattan then his arc would be too much the same every time.
Spider-Man 2 has none of this dilemma however
@@philipseitz95 The fact that Superman is so powerful helps to avoid another common pitfall in writers: thinking that a physical, violent threat can be the only source of conflict in a story.
I actually like Superman as a character because his pysical power forces the writers working with him to find more creative ways of challenging him. I remember one comic where Superman was wrestling with the thought that his prescence on Earth is somehow stunting humanity's growth, making them dependent on him for solving their problems. He is forced to confront this problem when he encounters a town full of farmers who are too scared to confront their brutal taskmaster, but are more than content to let Superman show up to potentially arrest him. In this situation Superman is faced with two bad options: stop the taskmaster and further fuel the farmers' apathy, or leave them alone to forever suffer under the taskmaster's whip. In other words, he has to save somebody while also finding a way of teaching them to not wait around for someone to save them. Its a paradox that makes for a wonderfully conflict ridden story!
Supermans relationship with Lois Lane has also made for some great stories. Before Superman revealed his secret identity to her he had a big problem where she loves Superman, but he can only be with her as Clark Kent since that is who he really is and because he wants her to love him for that rather than for being a big buff super hero. You can't just punch your way to someones heart! (Well, you can, but not if you want to marry them).
Last among my favorite stories featuring Superman is called 'the man who has everything.' It features a big bad monster that can kill earth like many other Superman stories. What I found interesting about it is that it features a parasite that can trigger a hallucination that grants a person their heart's greatest desires. In Superman's case, this caused him to dream that he was alive on an un-exploded Krypton. There was conflict in the form of the dream being everything that his heart could desire, but at the same time he also knew deep down that he needed to find the emotional strength to leave it in order to wake up in the real world and beat the badguy. He later equated waking up from the dream to "ripping my own arm off." You might argue that its unrealistic for a parasite to have any such effect on him, but we live in a world where microscopic organisms can kill beasts as big as humans so I wouldn't bet against nature's ability to find creatures that can challenge any living organism, even a kryptonian one.
There are pysical conflicts, social conflicts, and internal conflicts. Crafting great Superman stories, or just any story really, is about recognizing the different ways that you can test your main character and balancing them properly. Even non-powered characters like Batman or Spiderman would be really boring if all of their problems were external or physical threats. In the latter case, everything exciting about that character stems from the juggling act between his life as a Peter and his life as Spiderman, which is a distinctly non-combat based conflict.
@@philipseitz95 or do it like DBZ and give them more powerfull enemies... dunno how far they are in power scales in db universe but i would not be surprised if there are beeings strong enough to destroy multiple universes at once...
And dont forgte, goku began as a boy sligthly stronger then average humans. :D
@@danielwolf6477 problem with that is superman is already on a multiuniveral scale his existence itself makes the multiverse go around as dr manhattan once stated. Hell superman on multiple occasions had to literally hold reality up so it doesn't come crashing down
Not to mention the black panther suit is OP from the start and gets upgrades thrown at it constantly , while iron man's suit while it is strong at first only gets major upgrades every time he faces failure , makes it feel like Tony Stark is growing with the suit while the black panther suit is perfect from the start
@KAI PHAN To be fair, Thanos would have destroyed the black panther suit without any problem. Like he killed Vision or broke Caps shield.
@KAI PHAN Yeah, this suit is totally overpowered in this film, so there must be a strong villain that doesn't fit in the Setting of the movie.
Just wanted to say that the Iron man suit in Infinity war is much better than the Black Panther suit in my opinion. (But he has to fight much stronger villains, so that makes sense.)
@KAI PHAN I think another problem was none of the threats he faces asides from Kilmonger are actually a real threat. A character being powerful isn’t bad in of itself, for example most people would agree someone like Thor, Dr. Strange and Wanda are stronger than BP and there are many other superheroes ranging from Spiderman to Aquaman who have similar levels of durability and strength to him however the difference is all of the characters I just stated face serious stakes and threats appropriate to their own strength throughout their respective movies. That’s why both a Batman film and a Thor film could have equal stakes and dangers to the protagonists despite the significant power gap between Batman and Thor.
@@jasonberryman1035 Black Panther's suit was so OP, the only way to defeat someone else using it was to force it off them
@KAI PHAN FUCKING SPOILERS DUDE
His only weakness is a deformed farmer with a bunch of stones
*rocks
@@magnusanderson6681 Dammit Marie, it's minerals.
Oh boy, Farmer With A Shotgun from _Dragon Ball Z_ really IS that strong !!!
First of all, the reality Stone isn't really a Stone.
(Thor, Endgame)
Magnus Anderson fruity pebbles
Wrong. His suit isn't made out of vibranium, but from Nokia 3310
Tsk tsk. That sucker needs some heavy duty damage? :P
What makes you think the 3310 isn't vibranium?
@@rinmadepie because vibranium is weaker.
@@Sater109 excactly
Nakia 3310
It surprises me that this movie was ranked better than the first iron man.
Politics, am I right?
It’s bc he’s a black super hero, we all know this
ignore critics, audience review says more
We all know why. Woke politics.
It doesn't surprise me. It's because enough people were still butthurt Trump won and they fell for the Leftie narrative of Black > White people and that Trump is a RaCiSt.
Capitan marvel has the same problem but that move has a lot more issues, at least black panther didn’t bore me to tears
didnt even watch that movie, but people basically threw that shit in the trash. Whats wrong with the movie, does it have Mary Sue issues like Rey from the sequel trilogy?
@@animeking830 Yes it does, from what I remember of the movie Carol is very overpowered and can do nothing wrong, the only thing holding her back are men who are mean to her. But the movie also has storytelling issues with pacing and general tone, like fury being the comic relief when his character was set up in multiple installments as a very serious person not to be messed with (don’t get me started on the eyepatch backstory screw up) and the very heavy handed obvious political allegories about immigrants (the aliens being the immigrants) it just comes of as not well thought out and inappropriately sided instead of a neutral depiction of a heavy topic like a good movie would. It alienates the audience, talks down to them.
But to me the worst flaw the movie had is that it was incredibly boring and had absolutely no fun superhero movie antics at all, I went to see it with some friends and we were really exited ready to give it the best possible chance and it just sucked we almost fell asleep, luckily Shazam was also showing that night and we snuck in right after. Saved our evening
@@animeking830 I didn't get Mary Sue vibes from Carol, but the whole time Carol was just an absolute unlikeable character. I don't get where they were trying to go with her character, but she seemed always to be stand-off-ish. if i remember correctly the writers useda a rather heavy hand with the feminist themes in that movie, and it shows.
"All her life they've been telling her that she can't do something because she's a "gurl"...but now she's showing them. she's the most powerful hero ever" The connections she has to other people feel absolutely artificial, even to her best friend and her condescending way of interacting with others, just makes me want to punch the screen.
As someone else already said.t he storyplot is kinda weird as well. I liked the idea with the aliens fleeing from war but they could have made it more interresting.
Who cares about captain marvel even
@@animeking830 she is the most Mary Sue ever she gets given her powers and goes through no character development and never shows emotion it is the weakest mcu movie by far even worse than Thor 2
Also, dont spend the budget before the final fight, because actually looked like Ps3 tekken fight
Lol the rhino.
They actually had the budget, but only gave the editing/vfx 6 weeks to finish the movie.
I think it was given to them on December, and was told to finish right before or on February.
Tekken 3 is the best fighting game of all times.
It wasn’t budget, it was time, they only had about 6 weeks to do that scene
@@legotia Then they should have delayed the movie.
You must have fainted after watching captain marvel.
Most pearl clutchers did.
Captain Marvel wasnt about her fighting for her life though, it was about her rediscovering her identity.
@@alexturlais8558 yeah, she rediscovered her identity as an overpowered boring and unlikable character.
@doggo exactly like superman, which is why he is my least favourite hero of all time
Edit:
(I only watched the movies, i'm not talking about the comics because i have no idea about them.)
@@reyxus9454 Superman isn't like that at all
"Have some kind of villain that can penetrate his armor." You mean like Klaw was supposed to be able to do? They sure killed him off quick before that could happen
The problem with all superhero movies is they keep stepping up the hero abilities. Now pretty much all can fly, stop bullets, not be effected by explosions, cannot be crushed, and are super strong. Except Batman. It's now impossible to take a step back and not have a hero who cannot fall 100m without so much as a sore muscle otherwise they will appear to be lame and weak compared to everything else that has come before.
Yup. Except for Batman. Yet none of the other heroes mention it.
And also, creating a great villain is equally as important as creating a great hero. Batman also has this correct
This is called power escalation and is common (and tackled in many different ways) in anime too
@@dickiewongtk Anime does a lot of dumb shit, but at least I've got 7000 dumb shits to choose from (also the old stuff some of which is great)
Okay to be fair, Batman has survived some dumb stuff, but yah, overall I agree.
I think killing off Klaw was a mistake, Serkis is a fantastic actor and made a great villain. Not to mention that his arm blaster seemed quite capable of damaging vibranium.
Maybe he had a vibranium skull to absorb the bullet?
In the comics Klaw could be completely subdued by Vibranium due to its sound absorption qualities , which rendered Klaw's sonic power useless. Though I suppose that's all been retconned now , I don't know.
They should have saved him for black panther 2
@@gabrielmutombo7078 namor is going to be the antagonist for bp 2
But we saw at the end of the car chase when Klaue blasted T’challa with his arm T’challa just tanked it and kept on walking
"Guns, so primitive."
That's.... that's the joke
@@danielpayne7414 If you think that was a joke in the context it was delivered in, I don't think you've seen the movie.
@@robinthrush9672 lol alright bro
@@danielpayne7414 Except using spears isn't done as a joke in Black Panther. That's just the weapons they use. If they usually used something more technologically advanced, and for that one situation threw a spear, then obviously it's a joke. But they just use spears all the time, so even if it was intended as a joke, it comes off as played straight.
@@Winasaurus cool story dude.
Or they could do the Ultraman thing (Japanese) where the hero's power has a 3 minute time limit. This could force Black Panther to use his suit more sparingly and strategically. Would raise the stakes by a lot.
this is a great idea!
That would be so much better!
Or like he-man where during his overpowered stage he can only take so much punishment before his suit collapses.
@@anafu-sankanashi8933 Does play into the whole absorb-damage thing. Heck, why not make him like armstrong in terms of focusing on where he's about to get hit so there's a sense that he COULD be caught off guard.
I love that idea but they've never had a time limit so how could they justify it in the future? Another idea would be if the suit absorbed too much energy it would self destruct. So we could see him taking peaces of it off, that would blow up releasing power, and then he would have to fight with peaces of the suit missing. Or maybe the suit would kill a normal person because viburnum is somehow toxic, but he needs his king juice to fight that off. Then he could have the iron man 2 dilemma.
It’s bad to criticize something for being black related, but it’s also bad to praise it for the same reason
That really is something everyone should understand
Yes so many people don’t understand that
@@heberthr.6978 explain
@@heberthr.6978 OP just means, that skin color shouldn't matter and be neither praised nor looked down upon.
Sadly no matter what you do, people seem to have disdain for it. I for one like the movie for the fact that its a cool black superhero movie, but then people would not like me for it.
oh boy you musta been pissed when you saw captain marvel, lol
thor hulk captain marvel iron man dr strange scarlett witch vision and many more are way more powerful than black panther
@@stn6408 True, but they are not invulnerable. The problem isn't just that they made black panthers armor inpenetrable, but they also made that kinetic aborbtion thing which mean, dude literally gets stronger and more leathal the more you punch him rather than getting damaged....
@@NeoBalkanacManso black panther could beat them??? I dont think he can, even with the armor he has. I mean iron man maybe but probably not, the others no way
st n Not to mention people like Thor fought even stronger villains like Hela, whilst black panther either fought humans with weapons or Killmonger, which is practically black panther with swords.
The point isn’t that Black Panther is too strong of a character compared to his allies, (aka Thor, Hulk, etc.) it’s that he has no enemy capable of really damaging him in the movies he shows up in. Thor still gets beat up, the Hulk still gets thrown around and hurt, Iron Man constantly has his armor destroyed and is injured. It isn’t a matter of being too strong, it’s a mater of being too strong compared to their established threats.
"As you can tell from my voice, I'm not actually... A panther."
Hilarious
@@joeyanderson2612 Thanks!
Why are you thanking him?
@@glennben1009 He complimented my joke
@@usagibun6564 its not your joke.... you just quoted his joke for people who werent paying attention
Tony also makes his suits, and he has improved overtime constantly.
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@@velikan2916 but no one said he was invincible so idk why yall keep bringing that up
@@velikan2916 "he's black superman" right because black panther could stand a chance against superman. He's not overpowered, they just didnt show his weakness..there's a difference. Also, you said "he isn't invincible" as if the guy who made the original comment said he was invincible. Thats why I said "no one said he was invincible"
@@velikan2916 dude, if you cannot show a superhero's weakness but another guy can show superman's weakness then definitely you fucked up or you're making a soon-to-be an overrated movie.
@@velikan2916 does black panther have someone like doomsday? and superman can actually die from kryptonite with longterm exposure, its just that they don't show that in the movies.
The point of superman-powered characters is to take away mortality risks and empower morality risks. Superman vs. Lex Luthor is the American Dream vs Capitalism, a part of the American Dream. Black Panther vs. Killmonger was isolationism/non-interference vs PanAfricanism, Black Nationalism, etc, and the responsibilities one has to others like them in the world. That was the whole point of the movie.
Can’t imagine why the most intelligent, and (what should be) obvious observations have the least amount of likes 🤔
"Were going to get a sequel"
well that aged like milk
Rest In Piece Chadwick Boseman :(
But if the milk was UHT
eetfuk there’s still going to be a sequel
They will find a new actor to play the role and it will be his son or long-lost cousin or just a random guy who somehow becomes the Black Panther. RIP Chadwick. :-(
what a douche.
I was really disappointed that Marvel went with the standard "same vs same" ending. The two characters had the exact same power set and abilities.
Yeah a tchella used his better proving he's better in combat
I rather have that than changing Killmonger's power set for variety sake though.
You mean like two humans fighting, as in a Bruce Lee movie?
@@GlennDavey He means someone having the exact some power set - a copy of the villain. Like Iron Monger in Iron Man one, or the Yellow Jacket in Ant Man. It's just not interesting to watch. Someone like Ghost in Ant Man and the Wasp is much more interesting because she has different powers from the heroes but they still manifest similarly and can interact with each other well.
@@fordsonisht7479 Iron Monger and the Mark 3 was not a copy - nothing close.
I couldn't get over the chase scene, where BP dodges several shots from Klaw, causing collateral damage due to those dodges... and then gets shot point blank and nothing happens
Yeah, what the point of dogding then?
If they said that he could still feel some pain from the shots, then it would make a little sense.
but when captain America gets shot at wit a tiny shield nothing happens but because the black pathers whole entire suite is made of the same material yall want hit to get hurt??? how does that make any sense to yall???
@@savagekeyz408 you do have a point. But i think it got something to do with the illusion of a risk or a threat. We all now superheroes aren't supposed to lose, but if there isn't the feeling that they can't lose, then the story is going to be pretty boring.
Take the first iron man movie, in the most of the movie iron man is pretty much invulnerable, but when it comes to the final batte, he is fighting with a timer. We know he can beat inronmonger, but we don't know if he can beat him just in time.
And just to defend Captain America, the shield is small and America himself not bullet proof, so if the story wants it, he can still be dealt with, take winter soldier and the elevator fight, we know he will win, but we feel there is a risk.
If black panther only had one suit, so he had to fight without it, then there would be a feeling of a risk of him losing.
@@savagekeyz408 I think the op has fair criticism, putting Captain America in the logic isn't gonna work since he is still vulnerable with or without the shield. He still struggles even with 1v1 combat with Bucky or Iron Man. He can be punched, he can get drained, he can get wounds, he can get bruises, he can bleeds even while having the shield. We saw him in his 1v1 with Iron Man. He is still vulnerable even with the shield.
@@airwaters black panther is still vulnerable too... he just hasnt met his equal...they both struggled with thanos... and there are still plenty marvels in universe... the problem now is we will never see him do another movie... it's been rewritten...
My main thought here is that the stakes of the movie never were really about T'Challa's life. They were about Wakanda and its future, and what would happen if its technology was made available to the world. Whether tradition and isolation are still important in a modern world. It was a battle of ideologies, not of people.
I'm surprised we were the only people who realised this
Exactly!
True but kinda similar to Superman if its not written well enough and the Villain can't even hurt him odds are the movie would feel that it has little to no stakes, I mean at least with Supermans case his family and friends are just regular people as opposed to Black Panther where they are not only royalty but one is the smartest person in the world and the other is a tough agent of his country.
Not saying Black Panther is a bad movie its ok and culturally significant but its still a problem for the film, its kinda impressive how the film was never derailed because of it as some other movies did notably Star Wars sequel trilogy.
This is correct but ultimately this issue is resolved with combat, which is a weird message about clashing ideologies.
@@Lilith_Harbinger Ideologies clash violently in real life plenty, don't they?
The thing I hate the most about this movie is their use of Vibranium.
Vibranium solves all problems that a closed country has like other basic resources and disease control.
How do cars fly? Vibranium
How can they control foreign cars from the other side of the world? Vibranium
How to heal a broken spine? Vibranium
How to project mountain size hologram? Vibranium
I enjoyed the movie but this is a really good point, it was kind of a lazy way to tell us about wakanda. But a good way to draw more focus towards the actual story of the movie
Triatari Ascari the answer to half those questions is that they have some of the smartest people in the world. Shuro proved she’s smarter than tony stark and Baker and she’s only like 16
Material can advance a civilization's growth massively. just look at stone age, bronze age, iron age.
Material indirectly influences the technological growth
the hype like most things was better than the actual film. I hate hype since it is not like it use to be in the 2000s.
@@skimasktheslumpgod7684 That isn't proven, just implied. Everything is linked to vibranium - so if Wakanda never had a resource that accidentally dropped in their laps, they would have been unable to exist. Wakandans have been totally isolationist (apart from warriors and spies going to the outside world). So exactly how and where was all this "super-science and super-knowledge" created? Did the vibranium whisper it into their ears? Telepathic contact with super-sciency aliens? Centuries of scientific experimentation? The movie was very vague on the particulars of this "utopia". (not trying to be a wise-ass, just pointing out some plot holes that was really necessary to have included in order to make it seem realistic in how it become what it did). Also having access to advanced technologies doesn't make you smart, it just means you've got better tools to learn on - accelerated learning is a natural byproduct of that. Being smart and having a lot of knowledge is two very different things. She froze up when she was introduced to 2 set of problems at the same time, which shows that despite what she knows, she still needs experience in how to handle certain problems, especially in situations she hasn't faced before. Her brother also nearly died, with the only solution being the Panther serum, despite her having access to the most advanced medical tools in the world (she literally cured a person with a life-threatening condition)?
quicksilver should have had a vibranium suit
lol
Oof
best comment of 2019
Or superspeed
Quicksilver + Hulk powers + Thor hammer + Iron Man vibranium suit + Spiderman powers + infinity gauntlet + Doctor Strange magic + all of Captain Marvel's powers = best protagonist.
I didn't like whole kinetic energy absorbing aspect of the suit. He was better in Civil War.
Definitely!!
I could of done wit out that but it still made the movie better
The problem was the suit being CGI. Chadwick Boseman couldn't breathe in the suit but all they had to do was just CG the mask and still have the rest of the suit be real.
I think the focus of the suit and all the tech or whatever is that Tchalla relies on others and has friends or something and that's the theme is that u need buddies rather than killmonger
@@colesteinmetz So self-reliance bad, relying on others/things good. Got it.
I agree. A vulnerable superhero deserves the title of being a superhero more than someone who has an invincible suit
No, a superhero's a superhero. A vulnerable one just has more exciting fight scenes.
*Thanos:* "I got your solution right here!" _snaps fingers_
BP:I don't feel so good Shuri...
Can't be overpowered if he's dead...
Just Some Guy with a Mustache too soon bro... too soon
black panther villain was a normal human, so the comparison is valid, as he said, the next movie need a weapon that can hurt him
just wait for the unbreakable vs split to see if the beast can hurt him
If the character is overqualified, don't devalue them,
craft a more challenging environment to put them in.
Well, kinda true, but with the Superman dilemma, it's extremely easy to slide into the little brother argument, like "I'm invincible to anything in the world!" - "And I have bullets from another world that pierce everything!" - "And I have a psychic shield that stops all bullets from all worlds mid-air!" - "And I have the ability to turn off all psychic shields!" - "And I...", which is a huge problem for superhero plots, since they've already established the character's powers they have to invent stupid reasons why they don't work. Or the other way around, find dumber and dumber ways to make their power work in a challenging environment. It's called "plot armour" or something of the sort. It's better to create a character with no real OP superpowers, just powerful enough to compete with other characters, and always with some weaknesses. The "Superman isn't invincible to a special green glowing rock from outer space" shit isn't that impressive IMHO. And thus, basically all the showdowns between superheroes resort to that little brother argument of whose power works better and whose doesn't. To make it interesting, you really need to be creative. That's why kryptonite is stupid, because green isn't a creative colour. MARVEL has the OP problem with basically any character, with some plot devices they can defeat anyone and everyone. Like, for example, Quicksilver. He's so fast he can kill everyone before we even blink. So, to make him not OPAF, the writers have to make every villain be able to react as fast, or disable him somehow. I honestly feel like the superhero lineups of MARVEL and DC are just competitions on "who can make a cooler OP ability" that have turned into just stacking new OP shit on top of each other. Like stoneless Thanos, he's stronger than the Hulk, no one can basically hurt him, and so on. With stones that literally give him abilities to bend reality to his will, go anywhere, pull down a fucking moon, reverse time, control minds, and do whatever the Soul stone can, he's like a 6-time OP champion, so in order to beat him, Thor gets a new toy, and it somehow can push through all Anus' defences. See my point? Let's put it this way: how does Thanos with the green stone even get hit? How does Thanos with the red stone or Loki with his clone power ever get hit? Can't he calmly stand somewhere, while everyone think he's in another place and try to hit the clone? How can Spider-Man get hit physically, if he has slo-mo reflexes and literally the power to predict the future? See my point? That quickly turns into basically a pp measuring contest, and only a good writer can make it look reasonable and justified
@@mityakiselev yup, ultimately, imo the best power system is one that rewards strategy over power, so this things cant happen, since a strategy isnt always the same, and can be changed and allows for big brain moments rather than "he did the thing he wasnt suposed to do!".
@@mityakiselev even superman isn't this overpowered. His main foe has access to Kryptonite, his weakness is the mortals and his own morality (killing humans can send him into a complete emotional breakdown where he has just given up, so he's not mentally unbreakable, and the problems is that if he unleashes his fury lots of innocent people can die as well, and their death will further question himself, probably even drive him to suicide) Batman has an endgame for him and his other main foes are from his own planet who want and can kill hime relatively easily and they also easily figure out his weakness (because he wears his emotions on his face) to lure him out if he ever goes into hiding
@@Dhruv1223 Cmon, we all know what happened. Someone went like "He's literally overpowered, give him a _deus ex machina_ vulnerability, like... IDK... a special rock! Yeah, that's gonna do it!"
@@mityakiselev the fact remains that they built him up much better over the years. Superman is flawed which helps him connect.more to humans. Theyve tchalla as this flawless superhero who is riddled with flaws once he takes off a suit. Also green is not the only kryptonite there are a variety of kryptonites because kryptonite is not just one rock its basically the remaining bits of the planet where superman is from and was introduced as a plot device, but the plot wasn't "oh this mighty man has a weakness" it was the first clue into helping superman figure out where he is from, kryptonite actually began supermans journey into figuring out his past, which we all take for granted today because we all know about it. Also when someone has a weakness they say "oh its your kryptonite" not "oh its your killmonger stabbed you in the shoulder with a spear"
Wakanda: *we r so advanced*
Also wakanda: *fights to death with spears*
u must of forgot they had air crafts tho.. and a city made of unbreakable metal...
@@savagekeyz408 they still use spears. Vibranium guns? Nah, we can just throw our spears for ranged attacks
@@savagekeyz408 bruh. They can have anything they want but if they still fight with spears and cape shields, they’re dumb. Why not make something advanced like Yandu’s arrow, or guns with special ammo like they had in the Luke cage shows, anything actually sophisticated. Anything they say in that movie feels stupid when they still use spears.
@@Gekayshaman that's ignorant... specially since they are using advance technology and mixed it with traditional aesthetics. tisk if u realize this but they were using real traditional cultures from most of the authentic tribes all over africa to make this movie feel more real and modern... not just a scifi space movie like what yondu was in... if u are upset that africans still used spears and shields then that's a personal issue of not knowing the culture...
@@savagekeyz408 LOL ur calling him ignorant? Wakanda is supposed to be the most advanced society in the world but still charges their enemies with spears. Who cares if its 'culturally accurate', charging you enemy with spears in the 21st century is not advanced at all.
The reason I believe black panther is one of the strongest films in the mcu is because killmonger did what no other villain in the mcu did, he changed the hero. In every other mcu film the villain has an evil point of view and the hero's just need to overcome something internally. With BP t'challa has to deal with a villain that is in many ways correct and by the end of the film changes his views to become more inline with the villain and no mcu has done that since.
Definitely agree. Also how he realized he was right and Tchalla screwed up. Also a good focus on the tech bc it shows how Tchalla needs and relies on his friends
but he wasn't right. He wanted to kill everyone and take over everything, even mentioned children once
@@cuddlecakes7153 no not true. He wanted a change of power because if the injustices done to black people. He mentions children when he wishes he could know there was a place like wakanda where his people could live better
"No other villain in the MCU..."
Bruh... first mcu film, villain changes hero. I am Iron Man.
Foiled on the first chronological example.
The best fight scene in black panther has to be the ritual battle with killmonger. No suits, no powers, high stakes and a bit of emotion
Also better lighting and limited CGi... My two only gripes about the fight scenes in this movie.
Suga Daddy For Hire it wouldhv been better if we didn’t see the trailer for him in infinity war though lol. I knew he was gonna live so that fucked it up.
Really, it's the only battle from the movie I remember.
What's really messed up is that whole scene can't exist without some bullshit in-universe gerrymandering to get T'challa to even agree to put his kingdom on the line in the first place. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's part of their culture... Fine! If you like this movie that's fine. But if a movie needs to invent hard to believe crap just to inject tension into the superhero narrative, you've done something wrong to your superhero. Tension should be happening naturally. I was way more invested in the secondary characters in Black Panther.
Sadly, this CGI invulnerability seems to be infecting more and more superheroes nowadays. I don't even know why that is.
I didn’t like it it was predictable as fuck
you killed me at the sound absorbent part
I had to keep watching that scene over and over lol
there's an argument to be made that the sound is made by the platform giving way slightly under his weight, and not the sound of his boots hitting it, but it was funny nonetheless
You totally forget that Thanos' sword destroyed caps shield, which was made from the same material
The point is that nothing was a threat to him in this movie other than another suit
@@asianpersuasion4901 That's the point. This youtube video contradicts itself. According to the maker, you need a villain with weapons that can penetrate the hero's suit. And Marvel did that(Vibranium isn't invisible). The movie wasn't perfect but I think this review scored 0/3. Like he said "the movie wasn't made for him" and for that, I guess he wasn't paying attention. Talking about guns and spears Not @AsianPersuasion. Those spears weren't primitive spears, please watch the video😂. I understand people disliked Black Panther even when they have not seen it. Cheers@filmento
Thanos was not a character in the Black Panther movie. He's addressing the film as a standalone work, which is what you're supposed to do when critiquing pieces.
Actually Claw is supposed to be a threat to black panther in the movie,
His weapon is supposed to be based on vibranium mining tool, which means it can inflict direct damage on anyone wearing a vibranium suit.
But Claw got pushed aside to put Killmonger in the main villain role.
I wonder if leaving Claw as main villain is too much a metaphor of colonialism times (claw steal and harms african natives)
But that would make Killmonger vs black panther...black on black violence
@@eisenklad wow that really made me think
Along with the amazing ability you have to critically analyze and comment on films, you're also able to do it in such a comedic and smart way. Please don't ever stop making content like this, it's golden!!!
*Completely sound absorbent*
SecurusRG I call them CROCS
@@Chris-dy1cb And theyre *wet*
That’s impossible
@@AceDeclan not with vibrainum
One would think the very first iteration of the suit would have that ability, considering its primary attribute is absorbing all energy. No vibration, no sound. Pretty simple. Except for the fact that whatever it touches isn't made of vibranium, and will vibrate and make noise, so that scene with him making noise is proper and the one of him being muffled is just bs.
as u can tell from my voice im not actually.......
A panther
Filmento lied to us all!
I already knew that he isnt a Panzerkampfwagen V 'Panther'
im not actually white
Aha! I knew he was a melanistic leopard Instead!
Cool it with the hard R
you can say pantha
The only reason black panther was so highly praised is because no movie critic wanted to be called racist if he/she dared say it wasn’t the greatest movie of all time.
@@drewcarpenter7047 you’re a leftist r ??
but wait, the artist who drew him and actually created him was actually white... the director and the cast were black but the owner of the company is white so how would that be racist if we dont own the rights to a fictional black character??? u thought racist
@@drewcarpenter7047 thank you for proving my point that anyone who criticizes it gets called a white supremacist 😂😂😂
NO
I didn't particularly enjoy Black Panther the movie but I absolutely loved the character and VERY much miss Mr. Boseman the person\actor. Besides Black Panther the movie he moved me in the Avengers... Truly, I miss him and all that could have been.
sure black panthers suit could have made batmans job easier, but does it have shark replant bat-spray?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
That's a good point, Batman is more prepared than the Boy Scouts.
nananananananana
Something missed by the critic was Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne were billionaires making their own tec, Wikanda had advance tec for years. With other people designing and making the tec not just one person doing everything.
But can it run crysis?
Captain Marvel: hold my margarita
ikr Thanos has to use the power stone just so he could do some damage to her.
@@aaronlogz there was a theatre who cheered when she got power stoned
to "hide" black panther being an OP character, marvel studios: take the suit away from him.
to hide captain karen being an OP character, marvel studios: take her out of the films
@@megumareta6361 xddd this got me
STOP STOP you mean every theater?
The power of the suit are the same as in the comics. The fact that is absorbed damage is not invented for the movies, it already was a feature in the comics
"I don't feel like it was made for me... as you can tell by my voice, I'm not..."
I felt very similarly about Black Panther and Wonder Woman: they're fine, enjoyable to watch but not stand out movies of the genre. Meanwhile many people seemed to be acting like they'd revolutionised the film industry and were horrified at the "snub" when they didn't win any oscars etc. But super hero movies don't really win oscars, and these aren't the best ones, so there's nothing to be surprised or offended about, right?
Also, I thought Killmonger made a better case for his philosophical positions than Black Panther did, which is problematic since Killmonger wants a race war...
It's almost like they put more thought into justifying a race war than they did into explaining what makes Black Panther heroic.
the problem with your statement is that u focused solely too hard on the part about race part... as anybody else who isnt black would normally do... but when it's a nother type of movie about the same thing, same plot about any take over nobody ever says oh its problem magic if it's an alien or robot take over, or some other type of fantasy.... prime example Ultron wanted a robot take over wit robots and he had a race war, guardians of the galaxy had to fight aliens to defend against another alien race... but because he is an african from a fictional place your only problem was a race war?? but I didnt see a race war... I didnt see blacks versus whites... I saw blacks fighting against their own kind to protect the world... kilmonger never wanted a race war. he wanted to take the metals from one place and arm his people in the places that they had no protection... he just had an aggressive vengeance about it...
@@dairoleon2682 stop insinuating the movie was trying to pump out a race war... nobody attacked anybody in race... the movie showed exactly wat it was showin... to say that this movie was setting up a race war is false... in the end ultimately there were only one type of ethnic group fighting... there were no whites killing blacks in this movie.... unless u are talking about one white guy that was a villain, there were not any messages about a race war... that's dangerous thinking for no reason... especially because this movie was created by a white artist and only directed by a black man...
@@savagekeyz408 But most of my comment isn't even talking about the race element?Plus there clearly is a race element, it was marketed that way and discussed in popular culture that way, it's not me making it about race. And for the record I would most certainly make the same criticism of a movie if there was e.g. a white guy advocating race war and I thought the movie didn't rebut his arguments very well, but this is a video about this movie, so naturally that's the one I'm going to talk about...
I also think you are wrong in the point about Age of Ultron; Ultron doesn't want a proxy race war, in the sense that he is not making arguments about robot superiority, he simply thinks humans are the cause of all their own problems and wants to 'save them' by wiping them out. But even if he was doing that, I think that movie specifically does a better job of making Ultron look like he's in the wrong so it doesn't make sense that if I criticise Black Panther I have to do the same for all other movies...
(and FYI I don't think the movie is advocating race war, Kilmonger still loses, the message is that he's wrong etc., but he just comes off cool AF, much more so than Black Panther imho, that's all I was commenting on really)
@@baconftw11 u are wrong... if Ultron was kilmonger and the roles were switched, it would still be the same plot... they both had the same agenda... yet one was a black man and the other was a in organic object ... u jus said he wanted to make the world better by wiping out people... kilmonger wanted the same thing... he wasnt targeting just one person... he wanted to target them all that caused his people to suffer... he said he wanted to even the playing field...
That action figure analogy was so relatable
It really is.
The thing is that Black Panther is like the “organic” version of Cap. I know the Vibranium suit makes sense with the setting, but it really does take away the vulnerability that Captain America has, because you can still separate the man from the shield.
“ I like this movie therefore I’m not a racist”
Lmao ikr !!!
Oh boy...
@@rogercyuzuzo9819 it is a joke you know
I didn't like it.
“...who has a very original villainous habit to cut himself after every kill...”
Victor Zsasz: hey! That’s my thing!
Thank you, somebody said it before me.
@@willowsapphire1145 I was thinking the same thing
PEOPLE OF CULTURE
HE STOLE MY WHOLE FUCKING FLOW
@@willowsapphire1145
I'm glad I don't have to, because I was thinking:"Wait, isn't that Victor Zsaz's thing...?"
I liked KillMonger’s motivation but saying he is the best, even going as far as calling him better than the joker is pushing it
Every time someone says Killmonger has "good motivation" I ask "How?" Because his motivation is just racism.
@@dylancross1039 his motivation is REVENGE dude. The point was this is what happens when supposed good people let others slip through the cracks, including slavery
They dont just say best they say best in the MCU, which i disagree with, though id say hes top 5
@@mkocel One could make the case his motivation is neither revenge nor racism: Is , in a very twisted way, Justice. Killmonger belives he is righting the wrongs caused by Wakanda´s policy of secretism which indeed include the Atlantioc Slave Trade (as to exactly WHY Wakanda in particular are to bear the responsability for the enslavement of other african tribes, sometimes even by other african tribes, is still a little weak) the catch is that his vision of Justice is neither practical nor benefetial for the Wakandans or the people he attempts to vindicate (a Global War by an African Superpower against the entire World not only cannot end in an "acceptable" wakandan victory, but would infact polarize the rest of the humanity against people of African descent)
On a more eprsonal note, I wasnt amuzed by Killmonger´s motivation because not being too on the nose with it, they cather to a certain perception of history: The notion "us" vs "them". with "Them" being all non-africans. A more noble and relatable goal would´ve make his struggle about how Wakanda´s immense welath of technological know-how and amterial resources could stop the maligned tribal conflicts and corproate predations (specially those of China) that plague Africa to this day, his father being a humanitarian worker turned Warlord as he attempted to use Wanakanda weaponry to pacify the countries that bordered Wakanda only to told to stop and subsequently killed for it leaving Eric to grow in an enviroment of brutality and violence that would shape him into Killmonger
@@miguellemir242 jesus fuck im not reading all of that. For killmonger, REVENGE AND JUSTICE ARE ONE AND THE SAME.
I thought people realized the primitive guns part was a reference to hand to hand combat being more of a dance than allowing technology doing the work. Same with Kenobi’s line of him saying blasters were uncivilized- even though lightsabers are brutal explosive weapons. Hand to hand, or weaponry based combat is often times more complex and sophisticated terms of the facets of the subject and scenarios the techniques can be used on, making it cultured, or a civilized art.
The fact that this movie got nominated for Oscars for Best Pictureis just the biggest disgrace to The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2 , Into the Spiderverse
They don't need oscar to prove they are best
Not every villain has to pose a physical threat to the heroes, sometime the villain challenges what the hero represents his ideology like the Joker
Exactly. The Joker couldn't beat Batman in a straight-up fight. So instead, he fucks with his beliefs and values. There are more ways other than physical strength to bring down a strong hero.
Dark Chocolate actually there are times when the joker did beat the batman both physically and mentally
The main problem is killmonger solves his problems with fighting and killing people so this doesn't really apply in the black panther movie
Stolen Memes Killmonger did make T'Challa realize what T'Chaka did which is killing his brother and abandoning his child/being selfish and not lending aid to other people in the world who needs it and by the end of the movie T'Challa thought opening up Wakanda to the rest of the world was a better choice instead of being selfish, so in a way, Killmonger affected BP's way of thinking.
Joker as a physical threat is highly inconsistent from interpretation to interpretation, as it seems no one has really been able to come to an agreement on what he is physically capable of. In some interpretations such as in Endgame he's actually a highly capable fighter who fights in a highly chaotic and informal, but remarkably quick manner, that is uniquely unlike those of other characters. It comes off as the fighting style of someone who has exceptionally fast reflexes and a wealth of fighting experience, but never actually received or listened to lessons on any formal techniques. I personally prefer this interpretation better as it seems consistent with his slender frame and overall chaotic nature, and gives him a stronger presence when in the same room as Batman.
Page from Endgame:
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Killmonger is great until he puts on a suit and becomes another faceless CGI Marvel villain with the same exact power as the hero.
Jeez yeah there's nothing more lazy and uncreative than a villain who is practically an exact mirror copy of the hero
@@deepankurnayantara yea only times this worked was in Man of Steel
Why ?
@@x_swagallday3597 it did not work in man of steel. Superman can survive his neck being snapped, y would zod die from that. All the crazy shit Superman has done in movies and comics zod can do all that too. Zods death was too easy
@@madison3244 I think all that needs to be said about that movie and its writing is that a standard version of Superman kills someone.
Oh man that headshot ending 👌
I love the Black Panther Movie, But You're right. T'challa needs a Weakness of Some Sort.
His weakness is his ego. He is struggling with how to be a king to his people. Putting on a suit & kicking ass is the easy part. He could have put an abrupt end to the Killmonger stuff, seeing as how he committed treason just to get to Wakanda, but he let his ego push them to the battle ritual, putting Wakanda at risk.
I hate to be such a downer, but he can’t really have a weakness anymore...
You comparing his over powered suit to playing with action figures was PERFECT
Black Panther was awesome in Civil War, but in his own movie, he’s just kind of boring
Agreed, in Civil War he had drive and he was a fast and vicious fighter, he outshined whoever he interacted with with his cold, charismatic, determined line delivery and he didn't remove the helmet everytime he said something or just to show face for the camera because they wanted to get their money's worth for hiring Chadwick Bosemann.
In his own movie he gets shown up by his sister, his general, his ex-girlfriend and former enemy
Ultimate Hope true
Tf are y’all talkin bout? He had more character development, the best villain and story 10/10 movie y’all buggin
I agree with this. That's because they made him a side character in his own movie. The movie should've been named Wakanda. They established him as the Black Panther actually is in Civil War. THAT'S the Black Panther. No ands, ifs or buts about it. However, they then try to scale it back and give him an origin story and show him becoming the Black Panther. That was a poor move. The character became naive and much less willful than he was in Civil War, which go against his cornerstones.
@Jay Bee Why are you so butt hurt ? They look white which means you can call them "white".
This is like saying what would happen if
Superman fought Zod. Same power set same skill, who wins. In Superman 2, he won by removing their powers. Same here.
This is a battle of stakes. Who is the better man without the suit. I have to disagree, there are stakes, they are just personal and he has to go on a journey of truth. They build up in act 1 and 2 that he is Superman but only with the suit. As in a feudal society killmonger had the right to challenge for the throne and does. T'Challa loses. Those are stakes. It's not about the battles with claw, in fact those are to prove the opposite so he has father to fall and make the fall father. And the symbolic fall from the cliff echoes this.
To me these are deeper stakes. Eventually, he realizes that with the suit, neither will win and must take him to the only place where the suit if ineffective and basically reenact the battle for the kingship.
These are huge stakes, but they are personal. And must be viewed from the perspective of His journey for the truth. Once he understands what he must do and he has something to fight for, the becomes the man he's supposed to be.
This movie didn't do great because of politics. It did great because there are stakes and it appealed to the broader audience.
Fyi - I'm not a person of color and it is one of my favorite outings not because of politics, not because of the director or cast, but because I see high stakes, a path T'Challa must go through to learn the truth and confront and then decide the man he's gonna be. To me, this made him relatable and fully fledged out.
5:10 Ah, saying the actor's name made me recall his tragic death this year which made me a little sad.
I'm a game developer, and I think studios should have someone with a little bit of knowledge of Game Design to balance the characters.
In a Game if you are invulnerable you take out the joy of the game... just like having a character like this one (or Captain Marvel)
if you think about it as a Video Game, for example in the case of Captain Marvel, you could fix the character by simply giving her stamina and each time she uses her powers, she gets tired, and has to rest for a while.... instead of being able to shoot lasers all she wants... that will make her actions more strategic and you know that if she uses it a lot she will be vulnerable again.
Just like Iron Man's suits, they also run out of battery.
In simple words... give the hero a challenge. A real one.
Dude Iron Man is frikkin immortal, he got stabbed by Thanos - he lives. Blown up sans suit - he lives. Oh my suit runs out of battery after I’m blown up - I’ll just get this kid to help me out. Oh and if he runs into a problem Tony has a suit for that. I mean none of these heros are ever at risk or challenged. I mean Batman travels at light speed and can fix a broken back in a prison. They even let him beat the Hulk in a fight wtf
Thas why if your character is overpowered due to its nature
You make them face against something even stronger ( like zod and his comrads in man of steel) or you make to them to race against time over something they cant controll like city being blown up ect
@@kalex504 This aged badly
@@kalex504 Yes, but the suit "does" have weaknesses. For one, unless it's custom built for a purpose, like the space suit or hulk-buster, it can only be used in certain circumstances. Stark also had to continually tweak feature sets and functionality, as well as storage options. For example, he had shield bracelets (against Loki) but the suit itself has no shielding. He can use repulsors, but only if it is powered by the ARC reactor. The ARC reactor also seems to be like a battery - it needs to be changed from time to time. He has to tweak the ARC reactor because the original was slowly killing him. There's always one issue after another, and this is the MCU's go-to technical guy we are talking about.
Black panther still loses to thanos
Big facts 🙌
Everybody lost to thanos.... duh😐😐 
HunterWD:TheGamingRoom So the fact that he survived and came back and killed him doesn’t mean anything???
@@andusz5518 yeah, for example, like in hishe he could've used that car disabling ball thing. And that device is pretty much ex machina, it saved the agents life too
As would Superman
0:16 hits harder after what just happened...
The suit has a weakness you know how it absorbs energy if you overload it with energy you can destroy the suit
Killmonger being Marvel's best villian is hilariously delusional.
Second only to Thanos
He was fighting for "equal rights" or something. He wasn't good in that he was a well developed, complex character, he was good in that he was politically correct. That's not a "good" character, that's a popular character. Yeah, I'd still rank him pretty high, but personally I'd say Thanos, Loki, and even Vulture were better written and more relatable.
Caleb Hawk no he wasn’t fighting for equal rights maybe he believed he was but he wasn’t in slightest fighting for equal rights. For all intents and purposes it’s a revenge tale , a world building tale, with bits of history sprinkled throughout. Me personality I think Killmonger is Definitely one of Marvel’s best Villians
His "plan" was hilariously awful too, give a bunch of extremely advanced weaponry to some randos all over the world just because they had the same color of skin and just kinda hope they do what he wanted them to. "Kill whitey" isn't exactly equal rights either...you're just going from one extreme to another which isn't really fixing anything.
hairypancake yup bp tried to tell him but he didn’t listen and got shanked lol but seriously all he wanted to do was watch the world burn he made a sport out of killing people, and killed his partner when she was getting used and a body shield. How he tried to go about his “revolution” wasn’t that bad, as he was trained by the CIA, who in the real world train and turn civilians into rebels to over throw governments, destabilize areas and install poppets gov’t Which Was his Attempt
Definitely good, but EXTREMELY OVERRATED.
most mcu main characters are stronger than black panther tbh
Yep
The best part was killmonger honestly, he’s the soul of the movie and shoulda had more screen time
st n Strength is not the problem, it’s invulnerability! Thor is not a problem as he can still be harmed by many attacks. Hulk is more of a problem, but he has offsetting weaknesses like being dumb and Banner being, well just a human. Tell me one enemy in all of Black Panther that actually was able to harm him in his suit. Hell, not even Killmonger could do it.
All in all Black Panther was a good movie and with the „no tech involved“ battle and the mirror battle they were able to work around this issue for most parts. But it is definitely an issue in the movie.
Captain Marvel is a bit similar, but more in line with Wonder Woman: right when the final battle starts, she becomes invincible. Not even a full hit by the Kree killteam can even harm her anymore. That is a disaster as it kills tension. Why? The movie was good before and none of her powers demand complete and utter invulnerability, so why was it necessary?
@@spectraphantom9374 I would've like more character development as a villain than *kills girlfriend* it was a pretty silly tactic to show extremism of a well intentioned person causing then to be a villain.
Killmonger: I am the best villain in the mcu
Thanos: Hold my beer
And don't forget Malekith.
One of the strongest villains in cinema history.
Let's be honest. Loki is everyone's favorite
Perhaps, you should do a breakdown of Logan? Note: although Black Panther doesn't heal as fast as wolverine, he has healing abilities from the heart-shaped herb. Not understanding the juxtaposition of the Batman suit and the Black Panther suit? Whereas it was stated that the Batman suit is kavler versus Black Panther's suit being Alien. Moreover, the alien material was stated to be the strongest material on earth. Now as far as the Superman dilemma that you failed to comprehend is that the basis of Black Panther is to protect his people, culture, and homeland. So to make him vulnerable is by attacking his homeland and immediate family, which is his livelihood. The stacks are not the suit or powers, as it is his nation. Was Wakanda truly endanger by Killmonger, the CIA agent, or the thieves of their Alien technology? In conclusion, it wasn't a character defect or the superman dilemma, as it is that you truly didn't connect to the story that is given by an animated introduction. LOL. So much for your ego jumping out of pocket in stating, "I can fix his superman dilemma, but you'll have to pay me for it." NOT! lol The heroism of Black Panther just so happened to have shot over your head!
"completely sound-absorbent" - That scene made my day!
RIP Chadwick Boseman. Great actor and a beautiful personality.
His acting in "21 bridges" was pretty good
How would you know his personality?
He was a shit actor.
Dixie Normus he's an awesome character
@@dixienormus6941 and you have a shit personality
This reminds me of marvels Luke Cage. He was pretty indestructible early on but they quickly start adding weapons that could kill him.
I’m glad to know I am not the only one who noticed the “sound absorbent” suit plothole
i can't believe people are this stupid he wasn't wearing the sound absorbing shoes, his sister only suggested wearing them, it wasn't part of the suit it was its own thing and it looks completely different from the suit's actual shoes
@@bignoob5838 exactly... Even the design/style wasn't even the same.
@@bignoob5838 also.....its not a plothole!! How does his shoes making sound when it shouldn't in that scene affect the plot????
@@kd190223 a plothole can have no bearing on the story structure
Big NOOB thank you
That's funny. I thought same thing when i watched this movie. They had to disable the suits in the end to make battle possible, like criptonyte in superman movies. So i completly agree with you. The other reason movie didn't resonate with me that much is vibranium. Every problem they have they sovle with vibranium. That's not very good storytelling. And Wakanda is strange, like to the point of makes no sence strange. To me it was more magic than Dr. Strange movie but for some reason it was presented as Iron man movie. In the end it was average Marvel movie and the only reason it got so big is politics.
Politics? I don't understand. Can you Explain please?:(
I disagree but ok
Well vibranium is an limited resource no matter how much they have maybe they could be challenged when it goes dry
@@manueltun7935 It's an american movie that centers around people with dark skin, and many people like to promote diversity (often regardless of individual merit, see affirmative action) so it's going to be successful.
@@AndyChamberlainMusic yet there's Blade trilogy, main character is black.
This is a classic sign of not seeing the bigger picture. Black Panther is strong and his suit even more so but sit back and realize who he is dealing with in both movies he has appeared in. In Civil War, a good chunk of super powered beings, in Infinity War, Thanos with various Infinity Stones and his minions, and finally in his own movie, humans. The point of Black Panther's movie is to give the hero something to fight for that isn't like anyone else. Black Panther is fighting for his people, his nation and their safety. Unlike Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, etc. Black Panther has political responsibilities outside of being a hero, he is a king.
Essentially what I'm trying to state is that Black Panther seems powerful in his own movie because that isn't exactly the focus of the film, fighting the bad guy I mean. The point of the film is more or less character development because we know from past films that T'Challa doesn't think he is ready nor responsible enough to dawn the suit of Black Panther and be a just leader. This is very in line with the comics as when Black Panther is coughed between a moral challenge he often asks the spirits of the past Black Panthers what to do and all have the same answer 'Do what is best for Wakanda'.
Lol, wakandas government sux, the main conflict is only there because the shitty election system😂
@Akshay 004 and the fact the the king has ALL the power
@Akshay 004 what’s not to say that the other challenger is worse? And now HE has all the power, and can do whatever the fuck he wants!
@Akshay 004 not the same
The only weakness of him I see (I don't know comics of him) is that he constantly takes his mask off. So yes I agree with you, great video.
If Black Panther's powers come from a plant that they can just grow, and his suit is made of vibranium which their country is sitting on a literal mountain of, why don't they just make an army of supersoldiers with indestructible armor? If it's because they're just oh-so peaceful, why do they have an entire warrior class and decide who gets to be king through trials of combat? That sounds like a pretty violent and war-like society to me, especially when you consider the opening monologue where they talk about how they were going around conquering rival tribes before they decided to hide their city.
And on the subject of trials by combat, why didn't Black Panther just refuse Killmonger's challenge? Why voluntarily give up his powers and risk getting killed by a guy who everyone knew was a trained killer, and let Wakanda fall under the rule of a dangerous, war-mongering psychopath? That seemed like a pretty stupid, ego-driven decision.
And for that matter, why did Killmonger even need to kill Andy Serkis to gain access to Wakanda to challenge Black Panther? He apparently knew where Wakanda was, and all he had to do was show the people outside his royal medallion thing.
Enough Daddy Shaym, u proved your point.
On the point of the challenge for the throne between T’Challa and Kilmonger the reason why T’challa accepted the fight was because Kilmonger has royal blood. Therefore he had the same right to fight for the throne. Its probably tradition to accept any fight from people with the royal bloodline or the chief of another tribe
kill andy serkis when the king didn't to prove a point that unlike t'challa he gets things done. t'challa was suppose to bring andy back but killmonger did it makes it easier for some people to follow him mainly the rhino tribe. The super soldier part is a point of no one can challenge you if you are given then mantle and title to be king and take with it the powers of the plant. If he is defeated the next king can do as he please as no one can challenge him when he has super strength or at least no one is a real threat.(you are suppose to give up the powers during trial to prove even without it you are worthy). If everyone is given abilities then it will be easier for people to just come in and try to take the mantle of king.
First off, there's only a certain amount of these 'plants' in the movie; not enough for an entire army. Second of all, Vibranium is already being used in armors and weapons for soldiers. Have you payed attention to the movie?
Did you even realize that Wakanda closed off its borders (not allowing surrounding nations to influence them)? Since there was no outward influence, there was still a monarchy going on and the people didn't seem to disturb the monarchy (because they were seemingly content, or the monarchy just has too much power). Wakandans are heavily influenced by their tradition, and they have their own sets of norms. What you're doing is comparing these norms with the norms your country has, and bash on them without properly finding a reason they follow these violent norms.
The movie was slightly good, still not one of the best movies I've ever seen. Really bad that they allowed a black superhero to be the prince of a (former) racist nation. People shouldn't even care about the skin color of a superhero. May he/she be Chinese or purple (as Thanos... though he's a super-villain). They should care about the plot and the enjoyment they get from the movie even more.
@@MrBanana2000 I thought that the reason everyone couldn't have the plants is because of some super natural reason like the plants were more of a conduit for them to channel some god
Thank you for calling out that the movie's hype is politically motivated.
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Tbh I really liked the movie. It was a very entertaining movie with a solid story. Loved it. Just my opinion.
Perfectevo23 I understand but many other people just wanted to hype it up and make it a ‘Banger’ since it was an all black cast. It’s how our world is made which is disturbing, and Killmonger wasn’t even a good villain. The nigga just made black panther think. BRUH. And the person who wrote the article ‘Killmonger, the best villain since Heath Ledger’, is one that should be murdered, in the most painful way. How dare he compare that half-assed villain to an Australian legend that may R.I.P, just pure preposterous. But again, if u read this the whole way, I respect that, as well as ur opinion. HAVE A GOOD DAY MY FRIEND. Lmao xD.
That's fine. I personally think it's a very solid, entertaining movie too - it's certainly not a bad movie. But it's not some kind of cinematic masterpiece, and definitely not the best movie in the MCU like its ratings would have you believe.
Pretty telling that it made so much money in the USA where this kind of politics resides. Meanwhile in the rest of the world, it lagged far behind Infinity War.
I don't think they have to nerf him to create stakes, but they could go the route of 'they can't kill him, but can he stop them?' kinda like how he wanted to kill Bucky he wasn't ever able to get him.
I disagree with you on this topic.
If thr black.panters.suit is too strong, then what about Irom Man?...that suit has multiple.rockets and jet propulsion and advanced A.I.
The iron man suit is too overpowered.
I found the theme of black panter to be more memorable
All of the myriad of Iron Man suits get wrecked in almost every encounter in the 3 Iron Man, 4 Avengers and one Cap movie. They're shown to be flawed and destructible time and time again.
I having a feeling the people who disliked this video didn't actually watch it and just presumed from the thumbnail that Filmento's genuine and well thought-out criticisms is just him being racist
Or maybe people actually disliked the video because the so called "well thought-out criticism" is based on wrong assumptions. He judges the ideas and motivations of people from a culture he clearly does not understand. He makes wrongful statements about key scenes because he misinterprets them. I usually like Filmento's videos (he's gotten better throughout the years), but this one in particular shows bias, ignorance and misinformation. No one's calling anyone racist, but not understanding this film's motivations shows a close mind and a strong detachment from certain cultures and the past and present struggles of some people around the world.
@@DaAcoustikChicken Okay, so what are his wrong assumptions? You're making claims without providing evidence
@@HowdyItLovll 1. He first mentions the villain, and how it "didn't click with him, personally", which says absolutely nothing about the film or the character's motivations and development, only about Filmento's detachment from the situations presented, which is a fair statement, not everyone will relate, but doesn't really put down the movie or the character himself in any way. You can present a case on which Marvel villain is actually the best, but there must be a reason why so many people like Killmonger so much, so saying "he's not a good villain because I don't relate" doesn't really mean anything.
2. Stakes. This video spends most of it's time obsessing over Black Panther's vibranium suit. Talking about how it lacks tensions because Black Panther is never in any real danger, but it's such a close minded view. This movie is not about the suit, and the villains' motive is not specifically killing Black Panther, they are beyond that. I never felt Black Panther was ever in danger, but the tensions was there, the stakes felt real. Internal struggles on how to lead Wakanda and manage it's resources, ideological tension between characters that ultimately cause a civil war, opposing views on what justice looks like, I could go on. Black Panther was invincible and yet was ultimately defeated: not only was he bested in combat by Killmonger, but he actually changed his position on how to best lead Wakanda after learning Killmonger's story. The movie has more layers than Filmento gives it credit for, and Black Panther's vulnerability go beyond face value.
He uses Batman as an opposing example, yet the scenes that were presented in the video weren't that strong to being with. The best part of Dark Knight is NOT when he gets shot by Harvey. Heck, I didn't even remember that part. Not once did I think anyone would kill Batman, because that's not what the movie was about. Yes, he's human and can technically die from a gunshot, but I don't think anyone ever thought "oh no, Batman could die from a gun wound at anytime during this movie". The idea that Black Panther is lackluster because he's invincible holds even less ground when you actually think about the fact that most superheroes in superhero movies ARE invincible. Not because of their powers or their suits, but just because the story never allows it. Before Infinity War, the heroes are always assumed to win, so in the audience's mind, they're never in any real danger anyways. The stakes are in their friends, family, the people they try to protect, the ideas they want to represent, etc. So to judge Black Panther solely on his vulnerability, or lack thereof, is not only to judge it on different standards than any other superhero movie, but to misinterpret what the movie is actually about.
3.Emotional and cultural investment: The following condescending lines from the video also support the idea that his criticism of the movie isn't him having a problem with the movie itself, but rather simply being disconected from the themes and characters presented in the movie: "When the Iron Man armor is gone, we will still have Tony Stark being Tony Stark, but without the Panther suit, all that's seem to remain... isn't anything too special" "To be fair, Black Panther isn't completely devoid of emotional stakes" "everyone can only watch in extreme sadness, and me, I mainly have a couple of different things going through my mind (...) who exactly is this guy again?". They could very well be honest opinions and reactions to the movie, but in the video they are presented without much evidence to back it up, and comes off as simple disinterest and nothing more. He doesn't explain why he finds Tony Stark interesting but not T'Challa. He doesn't explain what scene (or lack thereof) or what cinematography decision made him not care about Zuri. He doesn't explain why he doesn't care at all, he just says he doesn't care. Talk about telling and not showing.
You can have your opinions about movies, you can like and not like whatever you want. It doesn't make anyone racist or not racist. There are many good videos in FIlmento's channel where he studies in-depth many issues in many movies, but that's not the case here. I don't think it's a perfect movie. I thought the 3rd act was weaker than the rest of the movie, and the cgi was subpar compared to the impressive visual effects of other Marvel movies. There can be objective criticism pointing out actual flaws of this movie, and I'll gladly listen. However, this video is nothing more than FIlmento saying "I don't like it, can't relate".
I usually hate long replies, but you asked, so here it is.
@@DaAcoustikChicken sorry but I'm gonna have to agree with Filmento on this one
Usual Marvel fan discussion:
vibranium is stronger!
No adamantium is!
No, it's obviously Uru!
Suit out of molten Nokia: let me introduce myself.
It is bold of you to assume that one can melt nokia
We all know that "nokia suit" isn't made of molten nokias, but of normal nokias taped to each other... that's where the famous phrase "go for the tape" comes from...
@@tindroyes Oh, my bad.
Your wrong on all accounts....The CORRECT answer is......(Drum ROLLLLLLLL!!!!!)
UNOBTAINIUM......😏😛
(Shout out to AVATAR!!! LOLZ)
The biggest flaw of nokia suit is its biggest strength, it cant be destroyed so its imposible to be pierced trough, but that also makes it impossible to make a fully covered nokia suit wich means you can aim a bullet right trough the holes in between nokias and you win.
After watching your video about John Wick, I think black panther should've been described as a horror to villians.
Seems like you just looked for something negative,so many times he came up short with the suit on
How was he overpowered if he was beatable
he was only beatable cause the story needed it all marvel films nerf people like with thanos doctor strange could have just made a portal of thanos and put him in the sun but then there's no point for a film
@@prestongarvey2285 Yes open a portal to the sun and kill everyone there with him because the sun is a fucking star that would burn you if you got to close. He would have killed everyone on that planet. Spiderman, Iron Man, himself, and the Guardians. We see in the movie they have paths to win, but they aren't willing to let people die or they take too long to make that call.
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Me: "My guys lay an ambush for you!"
Older Brother: "But they see the ambush and murder your guys with two machine guns and these laser blasters."
Me: :(
_"I never freeze"_
*-T'Challa (King of Wakanda)*
That first sequence is the best editing I have ever seen any youtuber do.
Under the circumstances of a normal superhero movie, I'd agree with you, but the vulnerability in Black Panther isn't meant to be physical.
The wakandans are vulnerable in the sense that they don't want their materials to go to the rest of the world. The writers very clearly understood the superman dilemma and took measures to find vulnerablility elsewhere.
Excluding the fights to become black panther/king, we are never worried that they'l die. We're worried that the power of vibranium will be put in the wrong hands.
The stakes of black panther is centered the state of Wakanda. Not about whether or not T'chala would die. This is a flaw in criticism who thinks tension only has to do with hurting the hero. The story puts people he cares in danger. That's what they do in plenty of stories. They do it in plenty superman stories. They even do it in the Netflix show Jessica Jones and that had plenty of tension.
Ti My Thats why Black Panther, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Guardians of the Galaxy have the best tension because the stakes are beyond the main character.
Valid point, then again they end up opening up Wakanda anyway with no explanation, maybe not to the scale the baddy wanted it to go, but it left me with a feeling of "I didn't learn anything, but let's go with it because it doesn't sound so bad after all".
Idk, if it was out of respect to the baddy, the least they could've done was make BP say "btw before you die, I'm actually gonna help people from here on out so don't you worry m8".
Ti My What would be good is if Wakanda was set up as a place that actually mattered. We are shown so little of it that it lacks a sense of place. And I'm not saying those CGI establishing shots, I mean actual development as a place. Everytime we go down to the ground level it is either throne rooms, mines, the waterfall, or a single street that they use twice. If the movie is about the stakes of Wakanda, we should be given a reason to care about Wakanda other than it looking cool
+Colt Krieger I mean, immersion is nice and all but the people who live there are more important than the locations filmed. I didn't mean Wakanda literally I meant Wakanda the people. This is a story about people defending their home and establishing personal and family relationships of the people responsible with protecting it was the thing it focused on the most.
yeah can someone tell me how many times james bond was killed?
Glad we're admitting the movie wasn't the "Best movie of all time" now, but I don't think the solution for making higher or better stakes and tension is with his giving Black Panther something that makes his invincibility moot. They do the same in Luke Cage and Superman and it doesn't really make the story more interesting or compelling.
The stakes in the movie we're mostly "Can he beat (insert opponent)?", but if the forces of antagonism targeted his flaws as a character, his family/friends, his standing as King, or his morality more that could solve the problem with tension or stakes and make a better movie. He's invincible, but he's not invulnerable.
Luke Cage was literally only compelling when something could damage him or when someone close to him was in danger. Or would you have preferred it if he literally walked through conflicts like he did throughout the rest of the series?
Lol. Antagonists that target his flaws as a character, family, friends, standing as a King, and morality? You mean like.... say.... antagonists who cause him to interrupt his love interest's special mission and inadvertently put her in danger because being royalty has made him selfish and bull-headed to the point where said love interest has a conversation where she explicitly says he needs to change? Or.... maybe... an antagonist who causes an internal conflict on how Wakanda should be ruled which divides his nation between those who support him and those who oppose? Or.... say.... an antagonist whose actions make him rethink everything he knows about both his father and his kingship? Or.... even.... an antagonist literally challenging his throne, and T'Challa bypassing both cultural ritual and conventional wisdom by rushing to accept the challenge? Just imagine all those stakes we could have had if only the movie was better. Just imagine.
Well said! And exactly the reason Lex Luthor is Superman's greatest nemesis.
And how, despite being almost invincible for most of The Dark Knight, Nolan found more ways than one to use the Joker against Batman, being every way you listed.
This...this is the hero's story at it's peak. Making it about how you can do more than just survive, but also save others.
Jonny Lupus Zod has a similar effect, posing the question to if Superman should put away the only other person of his species. It makes him choose over the world he was raised vs the world he was born.
@@deactivated4047 Not really much of a choice, since he knew nothing about the world he was born in and what he did know what the world he was raised in. No real choice there - he was always going to choose Earth.
I must say Flimento as someone who is interested in screen writing l must say l can learn a lot of do's and don't from your content here...
It's like l'm listen to a teacher in screen writing and that you are, your a true scholar and thank you sir...
Killmonger is a good villain because you can actually understand why he is how he is. Even if you don’t agree with the way he does what he does. And ultimately, T’Challa listens. With Thanos and Loki, they just are the way they are. Their motives just came about (and with Loki, his are all over the place) even if they are good movie villains.
With that said, you did make some good points.
I've said this in another video on something with understanding the villains, you could say(being devil's advocate here) that Thanos wanting to bring some sort of balance to the universe is understandable, somewhat noble even. Its just his ends will never justify the basic universal genocide. With Killmonger I can wholeheartedly agree with his POV, but how he goes to carry it out is immoral. At least to normal people standards anyway.
Interesting that most of the comments seem to support your position, but the dislike ratio is really high.
A bunch of people probably mad that he isn't calling it the best movie ever, but also can't dispute any of his points because they are all correct. Like how as soon as it came out you were called racist for disliking it, even if your reasons were valid.
@@Winasaurus Valid? You mean how there was almost nothing redeeming about it? The civilization are a bunch of fucking assholes. They have it all, and live in the most impoverished continent and won't share. Power is handed down by fist fighting?! These people were the worst. I wanted that whole cast to die. I felt nothing for them. At least the villain had good motivation to be a prick.
It's the whole "not listening to the voice of reason" thing where your opinion, no matter how adequately phrased, will get h8 if it's not the *right* opinion. Here, the right opinion is that "Black Panther" is the best movie ever made, it's absolutely perfect and has no flaws whatsoever. If you say anything against it, it automatically makes you racist and your arguments invalid
@Agent wooooooosh
Those dislikes are just from him pointing out that Black Panther's shoes aren't silent.
''A villain with weapons that can damage him...''
(SHOWS KING CONDIMENT)
With Superman, they have the intelligence to only put him against things that can hurt him despite his powers like Luthor with Kryptonite or other members of his species like the kryptonians in Man of Steel.
the suit is not totally make you undestructable... when the damage output is more that the suit can absorb... welp the wearer is either dead at that point or absorb the remain damage...
Emotional stakes and vulnerability isn't necessarily the same thing though.