Daniel Penny Found Not Guilty | The Case from a Self Defense Perspective
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The Daniel Penny case has sparked nationwide protests and a heated debate about self-defense, race, and justice. This video breaks down the demonstrations, the public’s demand for accountability, and the broader social issues surrounding the incident. From subway disruptions to courthouse rallies, we’ll explore why this case has captured the nation’s attention. Share your thoughts in the comments-was this self-defense or something more?
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"You can't de-escalate your way out of crazy." These words are brilliant. We think that there is always a time and place for this elaborate verbal de-escalation tactic, but that isn't always the case. There sometimes just isn't time for that before someone is hurt. Excellent video, thank you!
Thank you.
Saying split in public opinion, is a stretch. A poll would put it at about 90-10 in favor of Penny.
Don’t disagree there.
I am so tired of the criminal becoming the victim because someone takes action and stops their actions!
Like I said, the system failed him and forced him the hand of Penny and the other protectors, in my opinion.
Ah, so it was good that the CEO was deposed then?
I mean, I think it was. But I'm getting mixed signals from right wing spokespeople and news anchors.
@@macmcleod1188 I am sure there are, but there was no imminent danger of the CEO hurting someone else. In this case, we could not justify it. But I get it mixed feelings though.
@momentumselfdefense4651 sure there's was. He was legally killing dozens of people every day... And profiting from it.
Either violence was even more justified in the CEO case, or it was justified in neither case.
We are equally fed up in both cases.
I see many other people holding down this man but not charged
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If you are protecting me or I am protecting someone , I am not going to be thinking about the law
Hindsight is always 20/20
That''s not smart.
I appreciate Penny's willingness to stand up and defend others, but the reality is that he is tremendously lucky, from a legal point of view. As you point out, self defense law does not justify actions taken past the point of neutralizing the threat, and that's always been the problem in the Penny case. I think it's pretty clear he wasn't applying an effective choke hold for the entire six minutes, but I also think it's perfectly clear that Neely was wholly subdued throughout almost the entire encounter, and Penny did not need to choke him out at around the five minute mark. It wasn't just Penny holding him down, there were two other guys controlling him, and at least two other men standing there ready to jump in if they were needed. At the point Penny seriously applied the choke hold, nobody was in fear anymore- the crowd was standing around discussing the matter calmly while Neely was being held down.
The question is this: Why was it necessary for Penny to choke Neely into unconsciousness after he and two other men had held him there for five minutes? Why couldn't they just continue to hold him indefinitely, until the police arrived? I have not heard anyone attempt to answer that question.
Good observations. I’m not sure what the correct answer is, but this is a good case study for protectors out there.
Very well reasoned arguments.
Thank you.
Thanks
You’re welcome.
I agree. The system did fail him for so long.
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The take away is don't help anyone in New York City.
Thankfully not all cities and states have the same leanings when it comes to self defense.
The takeaway should be not to apply force when it isn't needed to neutralize the threat you're facing. Because that's the standard just about everywhere.
@ Thanks for your input
I could see the negligent manslaughter charge if they guy didn't have a pulse when the police arrived.
Possible, however even that may have been hard to get, seeing how strongly everyone felt their lives were in danger. Who knows though 🤷🏽♂️
I can not disagree with you. Situations like this ARE extremely fluid. From the video that I have seen Daniel Penny was holding the young man's upper chest - could his arm have slipped up around the neck? Sure that could happen. There seemed to be several others assisting in restraining the young man, I am sure THEY believed that Daniel Penny was acting correctly. Apparently the young man entered the train and started threatening the passengers with harm or death.... Personally I take such threats at face value- if they say it, they intend to do it. IF Daniel Penny had intended to kill the young man it would have been over in SECONDS, not minutes. Daniel Penny AND the others who assisted him should be given medals for stepping in to protect others! bigger question- did 'the system' fail EVERYONE on that train? YES !! It did fail everyone on the train that day and I would guess so most days. The situation is sad. The JURY has spoken- Daniel Penny is a free man again. He responded as expected - like the US MARINE that he IS.... he may not be active duty right now, BUT he will remain a MARINE for ever. BTW I stumbled on this channel and have only seen this one episode, BUT you did a good enough job with it that I am subbed now. PS The M.E. really messed up [incompetent OR criminal action???] Was the young man's Hyoid bone intact or broken? - that is a bone in the neck that is fragile and commonly breaks when choked]
Thanks for the sub.
I know these situations are so fluid in the real world. It must have seemed so bizarre for Penny to be in an air conditioned courtroom with everyone knowing safe behind deputies and metal detectors, only to be judged on how he acted in a very dangerous situation.
There is also the Jordan Williams case which has many similarities. He was able to be acquitted. Jorden is also black so I think that played into it. Thankfully he was able to avoid any criminal charges.
@@momentumselfdefense4651 I recall when I went through basic training, We had people from all over the US There were ONLY 2 colors there OD GREEN uniforms and red blood. I am sure here 50 years later it was the same for Daniel Penny. Thank You for a great video1
I agree very much with you, if I may submit a question and or perspective though. In terms of bjj, being that it is so sport driven. Is it wise to teach going for a choke right away? in my perspective this is taught a lot. Would not holding someone in a "back pack" grip first, trying to de-escalate first?
I actually agree with you. I think what we witnessed here was a limitation of not jiu jitsu but of Daniel. To my knowledge his training came from the military.
The military’s combat training goals are different from civilian BJJ goals. Unless he was military police who do train various control tactics, he probably knew enough ground fighting to do what he did but not enough to resolve it with less force.
I’m not trying to come across as a Monday morning quarterback, but I think in that regard, you are correct there were more options available if that person had more tools in their toolbox
I see many other people holding down this man but not charged
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