I agree, seeing this as "not prime" makes it easier to have it. I don't like any of these as it lack what i like in Star Trek but it's fine to have the "modern man kind greedy timeline". It bugs me that they push it as connected to the prime continuity when they haven't even made an effort to continue the old trek story and tech. I kind of see all shows as it own universe (even TOS and TNG aren't really connected) if it has a different show runner. Sure, it can have similarities (like Khan) but TOS Khan for me isn't the same as ST II.. hence why he remember Pavel. Rodenbery Continuity: TOS, TAS, TMP Bennet Continuity: ST: II - V Berman Continuity: ENT, ST: VI, TNG, TNG Movies, VOY, DS9 JJ Continuity: Kelvin Timeline Movies Kurtzman Continuity: STD, SNW, STP, Lower Decks, etc
"Prime" as a concept was only really something being bandied about because of "Old Man Spock" in Star Trek 2009. But since the license that was granted back then and that is more or less what we still have now all be with a name change on who is willing to own up to it. So I would suggest that Old Man Spock is from the same Universe as Star Trek Picard (or one close to it) but that Universe IS MOST ASSUREDLY not the same one as TNG. Now when it comes to Prodigy I might accept an argument for that being so close to the source material as for any difference to be as inconsequential as the fact that Harry Kim dies and got replaced by a duplicate. But the difference between Source and TNG was as painfully Obvious as the visual differences are in Strange New Worlds. Heck if I was being mischievous I might suggest Star New World's "source Material isn't Star Trek as much as it is Galaxy Quest and The Orville - but they play it for laughs rather a lot even by TOS standards.
That they just couldn't come clean and say "this is a reboot" is what is so laughable to me. If the tolerance of Trekkies is any indication, just doing that would have earned them more props than trying to hide it.
Keep in mind the episode, _Bread and Circuses._ That episode, written by Gene Roddenberry, directly and unequivocally promotes conservative values. When Spock, Kirk, and McCoy were confused by how culturally evolved and downright the sun worshippers were on the planet below them, Uhura speaks up: *Uhura:* _"I'm afraid you have it all wrong Mr. Spock, all of you. I've been listening to some of their old-style radio waves. The Empire's spokesman trying to ridicule their religion... but he couldn't. Don't you understand? It's not the sun up in the sky - It's the Son of God!"_
An example of the balance (and tolerance) I've discussed, even when Roddenberry himself was an atheist who cared nothing for organized religion. But, if memory serves, there is some dispute centering around that portion of that episode - whether or not GR wanted to actually include that segment or was overridden. Time has muddied the argument about it I think.
@@Wynstorm3 As I listen to the man I find that more and more unlikely. Much like his supposed claim that Starfleet "isn't" a military - he never said any such thing. He DID say this when asked about his beliefs in a 1988 interview: ua-cam.com/video/KMa1v7ii5P0/v-deo.html _"(...) that, is a hell of a accomplishment for a bunch of hydrogen molecules that were let loose. What... what is behind it I can only give my feelings are that uh... I don't believe in the usual personal god. I do feel there's a gigantic plan afoot, probably more complex than anything you could get into holy books (...)"_ It's not exact, but that fits more into what people would call 'deism' than anything else: not Atheism, and not Christianity. I am not a Christian either, by the way: but the universe is too _structured_ to be the result of happenstance. As Gene put it, _"that, is a hell of a accomplishment for a bunch of hydrogen molecules that were let loose"_
@@Idazmi7 Excellent. You know, I'd forgotten completely about this interview! And I do agree with you, it does give him more of a deistic rather than theistic outlook about humanity's place in the cosmos.
@@Idazmi7 And if you think about it, this is actually very much in tune with Picard's speech to the Nagilum Data and Troi at the end of "Where Silence Has Lease."
Rodenbery Vision with Harve Bennett on the helm and Michael Pillar writing.
This would be the perfect Trek to me.
I agree, seeing this as "not prime" makes it easier to have it.
I don't like any of these as it lack what i like in Star Trek but it's fine to have the "modern man kind greedy timeline".
It bugs me that they push it as connected to the prime continuity when they haven't even made an effort to continue the old trek story and tech.
I kind of see all shows as it own universe (even TOS and TNG aren't really connected) if it has a different show runner. Sure, it can have similarities (like Khan) but TOS Khan for me isn't the same as ST II.. hence why he remember Pavel.
Rodenbery Continuity:
TOS, TAS, TMP
Bennet Continuity:
ST: II - V
Berman Continuity:
ENT, ST: VI, TNG, TNG Movies, VOY, DS9
JJ Continuity:
Kelvin Timeline Movies
Kurtzman Continuity:
STD, SNW, STP, Lower Decks, etc
"Prime" as a concept was only really something being bandied about because of "Old Man Spock" in Star Trek 2009. But since the license that was granted back then and that is more or less what we still have now all be with a name change on who is willing to own up to it.
So I would suggest that Old Man Spock is from the same Universe as Star Trek Picard (or one close to it) but that Universe IS MOST ASSUREDLY not the same one as TNG.
Now when it comes to Prodigy I might accept an argument for that being so close to the source material as for any difference to be as inconsequential as the fact that Harry Kim dies and got replaced by a duplicate.
But the difference between Source and TNG was as painfully Obvious as the visual differences are in Strange New Worlds. Heck if I was being mischievous I might suggest Star New World's "source Material isn't Star Trek as much as it is Galaxy Quest and The Orville - but they play it for laughs rather a lot even by TOS standards.
That they just couldn't come clean and say "this is a reboot" is what is so laughable to me. If the tolerance of Trekkies is any indication, just doing that would have earned them more props than trying to hide it.
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Keep in mind the episode, _Bread and Circuses._ That episode, written by Gene Roddenberry, directly and unequivocally promotes conservative values. When Spock, Kirk, and McCoy were confused by how culturally evolved and downright the sun worshippers were on the planet below them, Uhura speaks up:
*Uhura:* _"I'm afraid you have it all wrong Mr. Spock, all of you. I've been listening to some of their old-style radio waves. The Empire's spokesman trying to ridicule their religion... but he couldn't. Don't you understand? It's not the sun up in the sky - It's the Son of God!"_
An example of the balance (and tolerance) I've discussed, even when Roddenberry himself was an atheist who cared nothing for organized religion. But, if memory serves, there is some dispute centering around that portion of that episode - whether or not GR wanted to actually include that segment or was overridden. Time has muddied the argument about it I think.
@@Wynstorm3
As I listen to the man I find that more and more unlikely. Much like his supposed claim that Starfleet "isn't" a military - he never said any such thing. He DID say this when asked about his beliefs in a 1988 interview: ua-cam.com/video/KMa1v7ii5P0/v-deo.html
_"(...) that, is a hell of a accomplishment for a bunch of hydrogen molecules that were let loose. What... what is behind it I can only give my feelings are that uh... I don't believe in the usual personal god. I do feel there's a gigantic plan afoot, probably more complex than anything you could get into holy books (...)"_
It's not exact, but that fits more into what people would call 'deism' than anything else: not Atheism, and not Christianity.
I am not a Christian either, by the way: but the universe is too _structured_ to be the result of happenstance. As Gene put it, _"that, is a hell of a accomplishment for a bunch of hydrogen molecules that were let loose"_
@@Idazmi7 Excellent. You know, I'd forgotten completely about this interview! And I do agree with you, it does give him more of a deistic rather than theistic outlook about humanity's place in the cosmos.
@@Idazmi7 And if you think about it, this is actually very much in tune with Picard's speech to the Nagilum Data and Troi at the end of "Where Silence Has Lease."
@@Wynstorm3
Precisely.