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While this video is helpful, there should be some sort of disclaimer about at what stakes these strategies are most effective. When you said we want our opponents to have KK when we 4-bet because they will fold them, do you think that happens at anything around 25NL or lower? Because in my experience (I am no expert but have played for a long time), people just don't fold KKxx. What would be really great, would be to post a video of you employing these strategies at the micros, to see how you do.
Maybe you haven’t played low stakes in a long time but people don’t fold... and the certainty don’t fold kings to 4 bets. And I’m not saying this is bad for us, merely our play should be adjusted slightly with this in mind.
What PLO players will 4 bet, rather than potting when playing low stakes? The only time I see people betting less than pot, is when they having a weak/speculative hand, and are trying to control the betting, or they have the nuts on the river, and are value betting.
Decent guide, but 4 bet bluff strategy for live low stakes PLO really needs to be left in the classroom right now. Most players are hyper loose passive preflop and a 3 bet is aces nearly 100%. The ones who do 3 bet, often do it so much that we can just get hands like AQJTds in for value at 100 bb.
the problem is in low stakes they just don't fold good holdem hands no matter what the other 2 cards are. I've lost countless time with AA** double suited against KK52 no suit and they always hit 2 pair or a wheel. 2 times last month same situation twice flopped a set of A and lose to a low end straight
So, 4bet bluff? Where the fuck am I gonna play a deep enough game where someone pots preflop, someone else re-pots again, and I gotta have the balls, the stack size, the SPR to POT AGAIN as a bluff?!!!!
Thanks for the video. In relating to the 4 bet bluffing range - played the micro's for a few months now and the hands i sometimes see going in pre is scary
Dude, 100%. He's like "you want your opponent to have kings when you 4-bet because he will fold them" and I'm just sitting here remembering the last time I got it all in pre and my opponent had 9944.
@@connman8d617 @james hewitt This is so funny. I literally just typed the same thing above. Play this strategy at the micros and see what happens. Dudes are NOT folding KKxx
This will never work in my 5/10/20 game. But I see how it will protect your 4bet range so you will get more action when you have aces. But most of the time nits never fold any hand pre
Strategy definitely changes some 9 handed. Ranges are tighter, and you need to adjust accordingly. For example, If you are UTG, get 3bet by UTG +1, you aren't going to want to 4 bet often because UTG+1 will have such a strong range.
The problem with 4 betting is you are typically going to get 2-4 callers, so you are talking huge bets, many times putting you all in. At least that's the way I see it in live cash games.
4 bet bluff? considering the min buyin is so much in so many places (unlike the cheap $100-1000 at a couple places here in south florida) but the vast majority of the time u are ALLIN preflop on either a 3 bet or a 4 bet. unless u got like $1000 or more in front of u in $1-2 PLO. even then u have so little behind u cant bluff.
4betting as a bluff is just dumb cause people in general never 4 to 4bets. Especially when both players are more than 100+ deep. There’s no point in 4betting 89tj$ds and shoving any flop because any Axxx$ss will call your 4bet and they’ll stack off on any piece of the flop. That’s just increasing variance for no reason,
Can't be worried about rake at the micros because you're pretty much NEVER winning pots preflop, nobody's folding to any size raises, so you're going to lose a lot more playing like that to beat the rake than just playing cautious to stack a donkey. Focus should be on attacking donkeys with good plays, not worrying about rake.
@@Richard-ot5ss like this donkey right here - when you stack this richard diptard as soon as he takes his seat, that will easily cover any rake paid over the last hr.
There's no bluffing in PLO. At least not in games that like 99% of us play in. I don't think I've ever called a pot bet and not been shown the nuts, despite wanting to believe otherwise. LOL me?
You can make a lot of money raising pre flop, until you lose. You simply increase the variance. Raising pre flop in PLO is a loser, because the equities are too close and you have no information.
Lmao bruh, people call with J 10 9 8 it doesn’t matter 3bet or 4bet especially if the pre flop pot gets huge. I play high stakes PLO 25/50 all the time,. I only went on this channel to maybe get some pointers I don’t know about but this is a joke lmao
Hey hey! Just gonna reply quickly here to this question (even though it wasn't asked in the most respectful of ways ;)). If you want a full background, look at my bio on Upswing: upswingpoker.com/about-us/dylan-weisman/ The tl;dr is that I've been playing poker for about 13 years at this point, with PLO being my main game for about 8 of those years. I consistently beat the largest live cash games available (that aren't private because I don't get let in to those games), as well as am a consistent winner online through 10/20. I have a background in both exploitative and GTO approaches to the game, and my teaching style respects both of these backgrounds. Everything said in this video is 100% Monker Solver approved, so choosing to ignore it probably isn't in your best interest.
When you 4 bet hands like AQT9 a good player will know you don't have aces most of the time. I'd all in KKT9 KK JT AKKQand more with pleasure and equity on 100-150BBs so half of what you say about KK hands is bullshit. Rest of guide is ok
I think the 4b advice rly makes sense within the context of playing deep (200bb+) stacks against ppl who have a wider 3betting range. For example, with more skilled players at higher stakes, button strategy should include 3betting cutoff preflop raise with a wider range, so cutoff should then have some sort of 4bet strategy that isn't only AAxx. Sure, you can rejam all your strongest KKxx, but villain still has AAxx with a significant frequency which can also dominate your straight outs in that spot, especially if their 4b strategy is defined by stuff like AQT9ds+. Although KKQJds is a 60/40 favorite against exactly AQJTds, once you start including their AAxx combos into the mix, I think a good 4bet range is definitely protected enough where jamming even your strongest KKxx every single time might be a losing play in the long run. I mostly agree with your point about AKKx since you block an A, I'd rip that all day. On the other hand, 5b shoving an UTG 4b with KKxx is probably losing most of the time given UTG range. However, at 100bb, no one is 4b folding with the aforementioned range. They have to call every time given the odds. Therefore, I think that means that more often than not, it's AAxx when you get 4bet in this case. I've noticed that at lower stakes and live play, this all usually goes out the window since it's almost always multi way, and nobody really has a 3/4bet strategy that makes sense. I don't think anyone 3/4bets enough in these kind of games where having a 4bet bluff strategy is really helpful.
I'm confused, nobody is folding pre-flop or post-flop in Omaha games almost ever, so how are you supposed to make money when people fold? This is a drawing game and everybody is always chasing, and somebody's around to hit something that they'll pay off with on the river so you better have the nuts if you want to win
Dylan is starting a $5k -> $25k PLO Bankroll Challenge this week on his Twitch channel: www.twitch.tv/Co0kies1
You can see the rules and details of the challenge here: upswingpoker.com/dylan-weisman-plo-bankroll-challenge/
While this video is helpful, there should be some sort of disclaimer about at what stakes these strategies are most effective. When you said we want our opponents to have KK when we 4-bet because they will fold them, do you think that happens at anything around 25NL or lower? Because in my experience (I am no expert but have played for a long time), people just don't fold KKxx. What would be really great, would be to post a video of you employing these strategies at the micros, to see how you do.
Maybe you haven’t played low stakes in a long time but people don’t fold... and the certainty don’t fold kings to 4 bets. And I’m not saying this is bad for us, merely our play should be adjusted slightly with this in mind.
What PLO players will 4 bet, rather than potting when playing low stakes? The only time I see people betting less than pot, is when they having a weak/speculative hand, and are trying to control the betting, or they have the nuts on the river, and are value betting.
Exactly. Good luck with 4 bet bluffs at low limit. That’s just fantasy
@@richardmiddleton5984 4 bet is not a reference to the size of the bet. d
@@andyslaughter3986 any 4bet is basically an allin for 100Bb though.
Preflop is super important in PLO. Thanks!
Got to be in it to win it
Decent guide, but 4 bet bluff strategy for live low stakes PLO really needs to be left in the classroom right now. Most players are hyper loose passive preflop and a 3 bet is aces nearly 100%. The ones who do 3 bet, often do it so much that we can just get hands like AQJTds in for value at 100 bb.
the problem is in low stakes they just don't fold good holdem hands no matter what the other 2 cards are. I've lost countless time with AA** double suited against KK52 no suit and they always hit 2 pair or a wheel. 2 times last month same situation twice flopped a set of A and lose to a low end straight
When u 4b a hand like aqj8ds and get jammed on w 100bb stacks u have to call it off .. 100bb is generally too shallow to 4b fold
I was on my way to write exactly that. A 4 bet BLUFFING range must mean that you Fold to a 5 bet, right?
i want someone to agree with me that this man could be coffezilla brother.
Great job
Who watching UA-cam videos on plo is thinking about 4 bet bluffs
So, 4bet bluff? Where the fuck am I gonna play a deep enough game where someone pots preflop, someone else re-pots again, and I gotta have the balls, the stack size, the SPR to POT AGAIN as a bluff?!!!!
Sound like tournament poker to me.
Very helpful
thanks brotha
What hands are good to 4bet with vs a crazy 3better that dont tend to fold? Like he would 3bet J975 and never fold to a 4bet.
J975 ? Almost any hand lol
yo where the heck is doug?? he seemingly went from daily postle videos to gag order??
Thanks for the video.
In relating to the 4 bet bluffing range - played the micro's for a few months now and the hands i sometimes see going in pre is scary
Dude, 100%. He's like "you want your opponent to have kings when you 4-bet because he will fold them" and I'm just sitting here remembering the last time I got it all in pre and my opponent had 9944.
@@connman8d617 @james hewitt This is so funny. I literally just typed the same thing above. Play this strategy at the micros and see what happens. Dudes are NOT folding KKxx
I was going to comment the same until I saw someone did
This will never work in my 5/10/20 game. But I see how it will protect your 4bet range so you will get more action when you have aces. But most of the time nits never fold any hand pre
How much does the over all preflop ranges change (e.g. positionally or vs an oop limp/raise) when you're playing a time pay game vs rake?
What do you we do if we 4bet AQJ8ds and get 4bet? I always struggle when 4bet with Axxx hands what to do if I get jammed on
Im just learning PLO and thought this was a good video......until i saw the comments lol.
😂sameeee
Do you still play the same with 9 players or do u change strategy a lil bit?
Strategy definitely changes some 9 handed. Ranges are tighter, and you need to adjust accordingly. For example, If you are UTG, get 3bet by UTG +1, you aren't going to want to 4 bet often because UTG+1 will have such a strong range.
@@dylanweisman1752 thank you for the reply, much appreciated
my favorite game
The problem with 4 betting is you are typically going to get 2-4 callers, so you are talking huge bets, many times putting you all in. At least that's the way I see it in live cash games.
Did everyone stop playing holdem 🤔
Whenever i 4 bet „bluff“ , the opponent either calls or 5 bets me always with AAxx💀
I play against people every so often who’s aggression can never be restrained in PLO. If you 4-bet bluff, they just come over the top.
Sure but those kind of players are just pure maniacs, in which case these 4bet Rangers can still play for Stacks preflop
hope Phil Galfond will watch this video.
Lol
phil's doing just fine lol
@@blacksheepsoftball more than fine. winning now.
You mean the LEGEND that came back from 800k down against Venividi?
Great video!
Interesting slide...
"People be too scared..."
4 bet bluff? considering the min buyin is so much in so many places (unlike the cheap $100-1000 at a couple places here in south florida) but the vast majority of the time u are ALLIN preflop on either a 3 bet or a 4 bet. unless u got like $1000 or more in front of u in $1-2 PLO. even then u have so little behind u cant bluff.
becomes more important at $5/$10 + as people start folding preflop/stacks get deeper
4betting as a bluff is just dumb cause people in general never 4 to 4bets. Especially when both players are more than 100+ deep. There’s no point in 4betting 89tj$ds and shoving any flop because any Axxx$ss will call your 4bet and they’ll stack off on any piece of the flop. That’s just increasing variance for no reason,
AAxx is a very overplayed hand. It’s nowhere near as strong as it is in holdem
Can't be worried about rake at the micros because you're pretty much NEVER winning pots preflop, nobody's folding to any size raises, so you're going to lose a lot more playing like that to beat the rake than just playing cautious to stack a donkey. Focus should be on attacking donkeys with good plays, not worrying about rake.
lmfao
@@Richard-ot5ss like this donkey right here - when you stack this richard diptard as soon as he takes his seat, that will easily cover any rake paid over the last hr.
Wait people are folding KK low limit? Not on bros
There's no bluffing in PLO. At least not in games that like 99% of us play in. I don't think I've ever called a pot bet and not been shown the nuts, despite wanting to believe otherwise. LOL me?
Players don't fold in my city.
same raise it as much as you want they will still choose to gamble
0,75 speed is better, is like normal speech.
You can make a lot of money raising pre flop, until you lose. You simply increase the variance. Raising pre flop in PLO is a loser, because the equities are too close and you have no information.
Lmao bruh, people call with J 10 9 8 it doesn’t matter 3bet or 4bet especially if the pre flop pot gets huge. I play high stakes PLO 25/50 all the time,. I only went on this channel to maybe get some pointers I don’t know about but this is a joke lmao
Who is this Weisman guy and why should we listen to anything he has to say.
Hey hey! Just gonna reply quickly here to this question (even though it wasn't asked in the most respectful of ways ;)).
If you want a full background, look at my bio on Upswing: upswingpoker.com/about-us/dylan-weisman/
The tl;dr is that I've been playing poker for about 13 years at this point, with PLO being my main game for about 8 of those years. I consistently beat the largest live cash games available (that aren't private because I don't get let in to those games), as well as am a consistent winner online through 10/20. I have a background in both exploitative and GTO approaches to the game, and my teaching style respects both of these backgrounds. Everything said in this video is 100% Monker Solver approved, so choosing to ignore it probably isn't in your best interest.
not the 1st thought you want to have when trying to learn PLO
im sorry nut no1 is 3betting and then folding to a 4bet in low stakes PLO. I dont care what they're holding.
I thot this Doug's business, upswing was doing better tham this
When you 4 bet hands like AQT9 a good player will know you don't have aces most of the time. I'd all in KKT9 KK JT AKKQand more with pleasure and equity on 100-150BBs so half of what you say about KK hands is bullshit. Rest of guide is ok
I think the 4b advice rly makes sense within the context of playing deep (200bb+) stacks against ppl who have a wider 3betting range. For example, with more skilled players at higher stakes, button strategy should include 3betting cutoff preflop raise with a wider range, so cutoff should then have some sort of 4bet strategy that isn't only AAxx. Sure, you can rejam all your strongest KKxx, but villain still has AAxx with a significant frequency which can also dominate your straight outs in that spot, especially if their 4b strategy is defined by stuff like AQT9ds+. Although KKQJds is a 60/40 favorite against exactly AQJTds, once you start including their AAxx combos into the mix, I think a good 4bet range is definitely protected enough where jamming even your strongest KKxx every single time might be a losing play in the long run. I mostly agree with your point about AKKx since you block an A, I'd rip that all day. On the other hand, 5b shoving an UTG 4b with KKxx is probably losing most of the time given UTG range.
However, at 100bb, no one is 4b folding with the aforementioned range. They have to call every time given the odds. Therefore, I think that means that more often than not, it's AAxx when you get 4bet in this case.
I've noticed that at lower stakes and live play, this all usually goes out the window since it's almost always multi way, and nobody really has a 3/4bet strategy that makes sense. I don't think anyone 3/4bets enough in these kind of games where having a 4bet bluff strategy is really helpful.
Too much talking and almost no visual examples
I'm confused, nobody is folding pre-flop or post-flop in Omaha games almost ever, so how are you supposed to make money when people fold? This is a drawing game and everybody is always chasing, and somebody's around to hit something that they'll pay off with on the river so you better have the nuts if you want to win
Full of bs
Delete this...lol