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Anything I'd want to use a Mac for would require more than 16GB of RAM and 256GB of storage. And with Apple products, as soon as you start adding more RAM and storage, it's going to cost you about 10x as much as it would on any other platform. Apple has the best silicon, but for some reason they insist on having the worst everything else.
@@xaerotheheroIf you are into LLM's, heavy Blender or any 3D software user, gaming (what's available), and heavy video editing (4k/8k), I'll assume these are what requires the pro chips, more ram and storage.
@@Tonicshades If you're into LLMs, the only decent GPU that runs anything is a $2000 4090. The highest specced ram mac mini is $2200, THE WHOLE COMPUTER. It has almost 3x the VRAM of the 4090. So it's still a massive value proposition. You only lose money upgrading storage.
@@leoym1803 That is true, but in this case it depends what you're looking for, if you're into heavy gaming than PC is the way to go, also some programs for AI are exclusive to Windows. But everything else is preference.
I dont give a fuck how good any apple product is, anyone charging 400 bucks for 16gb of memory should get boycotted and celebrated when the greedy ass company dies, not thrives.
16gb of ram comes with the mac now. however, if you want extra ram, you'll still have to pay up; which i believe the apple tax is fair for the convenience their ecosystem provides. way better than gulag's and microshaft's. :P
@@OnioNode I own both a MacBook Air (16GB) and a PC with 64GB of memory, all 64GB of which needed to run local LLMs cost me less than 8GB would on a Mac. And having experience with the "Apple ecosystem" - No, it is not fair
There is also the problem of Apple going from 9,5% market share a year ago to just 7.7% last month in the computer market. That is so small it will continue to be a niche and never get real gaming focus and continue to be a great video editor, great for hipsters and old people 🤷♂
Nope, not for me. Not having a computer with 256GB storage in near-2025, and not paying 250 eur to double that size. Their CPUs are amazing but their pricing scheme is as ridiculous as ever.
What they do with storage is like a scam, money grab. That's sad. So powerful and so limited. This is even worse on laptops. Usb accessories are really annoying on mobile. If they disconnect we can lose all our work. Carbon free... we cannot reutilize our expensive SSDs in newer models haha. I got the M1 MBP with 1TB. That SSD will probably last for 10+ years. But if I want a new model to enjoy faster processors I cannot reuse it... must purchase all expensive storage again. Where is the carbon free?! They just create e-waste. All the working hours needed to purchase again their SSDs on every new machine... this is not fair. I really would like to see what Steve Jobs would think about it. It is the best computer ever created. And at the same time the worst.
If you're considering a storage upgrade for any iMac, you're better off getting an external Thunderbolt drive with your preferred size and NVMe from Amazon. It costs a fraction of Apple's upgrade, and you can easily use it with multiple devices.
Yeah, i dont understand why people go crazy about it. Just get an external drive. The RAM is a different story, but for most people who'll use this thing, 16gb is plenty, especially at the base price point.
Why throw a Ryzen 7 and a 9th gen i9 in the cinebench comparison instead of the current models, but then use the highest power draw models from AMD and intel to compare power consumption? This looks like you tried to make the apple product look as good as possible without actually testing it against relevant competitors. The base model is not worth it because it lacks performance, and the upgraded models are not worth it because the upgrades are so expensive.
@@supersoundset well usually base model and upgrade model has same speed in single core perf (because it same cpu apple just add more core that it) if we remove gaming part and focus on working only that it pretty fast cheap price and power effiencet since 20W is even less than a power that you use to charge your phone like if you want to work on video editing huh just spend 600 usd with monitor and mouse boom you can get work done effortless with pc you need at least ryzen 5 or core ultra5 with decent gpu to do that on 4k footage and it take 20times power(400W and beyond) and it will be cost expensive that mac but when come to upgrade it cheaper ofcouse but atlest you can game on it so as people who not playing game it killer and ecosystem also bonus but usually who can afford mac and also gamer they just get 1 mac and 1 pc lol
@@georgwarhead2801 what? are you talking about the storage? since most pros edit on external ssd it can absolutely be used.if you are talking about power then you have a crazy amount of power in the base version, perfect for 90 per cent of pros i would say.
@@troywalt4834 most"pros" dont use 16gb of SHARED ram. even a 60 sec. long RAW footage video would eat up that ram like nothing...this mini is absolutly not perfect for 90% of "pros". its perfect to do small tasks if you already have the apple eco system, but for everything else you need to upgrade the mini as mach as you can and at that point it isnt even compeating anymore against aternatives from the X86 platform wich would run cyrcles around that thing
I love Apple computers since Macintosh SE days, and think the M4 Mini has an amazing value proposition. BUT, it won't kill PC, people use Windows for the more open ecosystem, rather than the curated Apple one.
I have multiple Apple devices including a Macbook Pro, however, IMO the $600 base Mac Mini 4 does not deserve the hype. It only has 256GB of storage which is what you would find in a 2005 computer. You can easily buy a MiniPC from multiple manufacturers with a comparable Ryzen 9 8945HS CPU, 1TB of storage and 32GB of memory for $650. Many MiniPC's support Occulink, have a display port, a 2.5GB LAN, plus a few USB 3.2 ports.
Exactly right. I use a Minisforum UM790 Pro mini-PC, it's two years old already. It has the same small 5x5 inch form factor, but packed with 64GB DDR4 RAM and two 4TB internal Nvme SSDs. The BIOS even supports Raid 0 as an option. The AMD 7945HS APU runs everything I throw at it effortlessly and it sips power. It's got two USB4 (40Gbps) ports, four USB 3.2 ports. 2.5G ethernet port. Two HDMI ports. Headphone/Mic jack out. ON/Off switch in the front. And the kicker is that it is many times cheaper than a Mac mini with 64GB Ram. AND you can run whatever you want on it, whether it's any version of Linux or Windows or whatever, except MacOS, but that's a bonus ;-)
@@supersoundset Just commented this exact thing. Waited 1 year for this rumored mac mini. Went with the UM890 pro instead. Got it with 96GB ram and 4TB HD, just pimped out machine (no need for external drive) and it cost me $1050 in my country. Thing RIPS. My last computer couldn't handle heavy 4k footage, esp. wrapped in a .mp4 codec. But this handles it NO issue. Will the Mac Mini render my Adobe timeline faster. Sure, but honestly rendering content in 2 minutes instead of 4 minutes is not a deal breaker for me. The Ryzen 9 chip FLIES. Oh and the UM890 pro is VERY well built AND literally makes ZERO noise (never heard a single fan sound yet). Again, the apple might be a more powerful computer, but it's like saying this Lambo is faster than your Porsche, but the Lambo costs 600k and the Porsche costs 150k and let's be honest, both cars would FLY. We're spoiled in tech now and we need to band together to F Apple up their greedy corporate bum cause their upgrade options are literaly immoral highway robbery.
You're absolutely right about Apple’s upgrade pricing-this has been the norm for them for ages. I've been a Windows user for over 30 years, taking advantage of all the free software options out there. I was actually considering getting a Mac, and this could have been the push I needed. But instead of waiting for the new M4 Mini iMacs, which I knew were on the way, I opted for a Beelink with an AMD 8845HS processor, 32 GB RAM, and 1 TB storage for just CDN $800 on Amazon. It's easily upgradable to 64 GB and includes everything the iMac offers. A comparison between the Beelink with AMD 8845HS and the new iMacs would be really interesting. It even looks similar, with an aluminum chassis and a well-placed power button, unlike Apple's choice to put it underneath. I bought a metal stand that works well with the Beelink on its side, which would actually make the power button easier to reach on an Apple as well.
The BeeLink doesn't offer MacOS operation. Comparing this to Windows PCs misses the point here. No 'windows PC (Sorry Hackintoshers) can duplicate the MacOS functionality of an M-Series Mac. Whether that matters, is up to the user. There IS one way that this clickbait caption is right though.. it signals the end of the Hackintosh.
@@fmlazarWhat unique functionality MacOS offers that competitors can't match? Is it wide software support, including games, or maybe it is open source software with open code or is it rather walled garden of overpriced apps that you need to match the convinience of Windows or Linux?
@@unruler Right now Mac OS has the killer apps in video and audio production. Final Cut Pro and Logic. There are plenty of good alternatives, but those are the tools of those at the top of those respective fields. Mac OS does not restrict you to Apple's store. You can still download apps from other sites and of course you can compile amy command line program that you could on a normal FreeBSD system. For casual and home users there are the lifestyle conveniences that others can't touch, especially for those invested in other pieces of the Apple ecosystem. Linux is only "convenient" to gearheads still. It is not close to the user friendliness of Windows, much less MacOS.
this Mac mini can last 20 years easily and they are super fast my video editor he still have a macbook pro i7 16gb ram 2012 and it still runs blazing fast
@@gabakusa even if wanted to use this computer for 20 years, Apple only supports their hardware for 5 years. Even if the hardware could run the software, Apple doesn't allow you to upgrade to the latest OS and you will no longer be able to run the latest software. The reality is, most people will only keep this hardware for a few years before upgrading to the "next best thing" and Apple prefers it that way. Also, the Intel Macbooks are some of the worse computers and a 2012 Macbook Pro can only run up to macOS 10.15 Catalina.
@@jaczar3304 While the hard drive is technically upgradable, most people will never even attempt it. Also, who decided that a mini pc won't need more than 16GB of ram? That's great if it works for you but one of my mini PC's has an i9 with 32GB and is being used as a Linux server. People have very different needs.
I am looking to get the Mini 4 Pro as I am currently using a high end PC. I tried the Mini Pro 2 a while back (top spec), but it couldn't keep up with my high resolution 360 photo editing. Could you let me know what your thoughts are compared to the spec I have now? Would really appreciate your feedback. Here is my current PC spec for comparison. Rog Strix X570 Gaming Wi-Fi II Motherboard AMD Ryzen 9 5950X CPU 128GB 3600 DDR4 RAM Msi Geforce RTX 4070ti Suprim 12GB GPU 1TB Samsung EVO 970 SSD
one of my biggest grumbles is that apple expects a 2.5 or 5k display for the screen scaling to work perfectly, but the mac mini's don't come with monitors and most people tend to purchase 4K monitors (as 5K ones remain stupidly expensive). unfortunately, even when using BetterDisplay, the text is not pin sharp due to apple's lack of fractional scaling in the OS. this is something they really need to consider setting to rights given how popular the new M4 Mac Mini is likely to become. (I only moved over to MacOS when the M1 came out as I could not stand Windows 11).
Had wondered if they fixed that nonsense, but seems not. That's a deal breaker if I could stomach the SSD size. Pity, fancy a change and used to have a Mac back in the day.
@@bartomiejkomarnicki7506 I had one of the previous Asus displays with the single usb-c input which was prone to failing as mine did. loads of videos on youtube about the problem. there is one 5k monitor that is relatively budget made by a company called Kuycon, but I am not buying one unless I know what they are really like in real use.
@@dislexicpotato It's really down to PPI - ideally 110-130 (or double ~220 ish). So 1440p at 34 or 38 inch is actually really nice. I have a 38 inch ultrawide and it looks perfect. This is the reason Apple monitors in recent years have been 4K for 21 inch, 5k for 27inch, 6k for 32inch.
Regarding 10Gbps ethernet, if you're considering a thunderbolt adapter, make sure you don't get one with the Aquantia AQC107, as there are some hardware bugs with certain aspects of Airplay, like if you want to use your mac as a network speaker (i.e., accept airplay from another machine on the same network, and play audio over the macbook speakers). The AQC107 will bug out and the Airplay session will fail. Instead, get an Aquantia AQC113. And thank me later.
If you're in, not for the base Mac mini M4, but for a boosted Mac mini M4 Pro 48GB with 10-Gigabit ethernet for professional purpose, I'd urge you to wait for the upcoming Max Studio M4 Max, because such boosted Mac mini M4 Pro is actually only $100 less than the current Mac Studio M2 Max… and the M4 Max is vastly superior to the M4 Pro (which is already really, really good) especially in GPU compute!
The biggest problem I have with Macs is that there is still software that comes only for Windows and sometimes Windows or Unix. There's plenty of software that will not run natively on a Mac. Of course I could run it under a virtual Windows environment, but then there would be a huge hit in performance. One of the key applications I use, is not available for Windows, and it is the application that is extremely dependent on CPU speed. The lack of being able to upgrade RAM is also an issue. Even in a mini PC, I want at least 64GB of RAM. Secondly, is the user interface. My customers all use PCs only, without a single Mac in their offices, and thus need to use the Windows user interface when at their offices. In combination with my need to use a PC for the software that's not available on a Mac, means I need to use the Windows user interface a good portion of the time. Because of that, my productivity would go down if I had to switch frequently between the two user interfaces. Now, I do have a Mac Mini, but I probably use it on average once every 3+ months. If all my software ran on a Mac, and all my customers used Macs, I'd have no problem considering to switch to a Mac as my main machine, provided it's cost effective, powerful enough, etc. But as it is, I will not consider it. I kind of wish that it would happen, because I much prefer the iPhone user interface for my phone, but transferring files to/from it via Windows is an extreme pain, if at all possible. That's my primary use for the Mac Mini, being transferring files and other tasks related to my iPhone are seamless.
I bought a Beelink S12 pro for $149. I threw linux mint on it and for what i do, it runs great! N100 with 16 gigs of ram and a 512 ssd. 25% of the new mac mini. Certainly not a direct comparison but for a year now its met my needs
@ShowsOn Nope your wrong. The M4 is indeed much faster but if I am doing the same tasks with both, then they definitely compare. My Kia isn't nearly as powerful as my neighbors Mercedes but if we're both using our cars to go to work and run around town we're doing the same thing with each but in a race, he wins.
You must have just watches Toy Story and your a fan of Woody. Great edit; music, cuts and manner. A real hoot! But on a serious note, hmmm. I will be definately comparing these as I was just about to jump back into the Apple ecosystem.
I have a deep interest in Intel/AMD/Nvidia, but credit where credit is due, when it comes down to hardware and software, Apple M SoCs are brilliant. If you aren't invested into gaming, these pretty much are very much compelling to get (You can game on an M3 Max quite comfortably but pricing isn't reasonable at all). Video editing is a clear winner, music production has been solid (IO is more the bottleneck anyways), 3D graphics/rendering are starting to take off with Blender and engineering/architecture/industrial programs, AI with MLX is growing fast in development with unmatched bandwidth and RAM capacity - the only downside is pricing especially with RAM (makes sense if you NEED it) and storage (robbery.), but when it's quite literally an *all-in-one* pc that can do everything well at insane power efficiency, you just gotta respect that. Can't wait for more content from these machines! And for people who think I'm a 'fanboy' I do believe the 9700X would've been better for optics (if they had it). Pulls ~95W and scores ~1200 mt. And used their 245K results, ~1500 points at 135W. That said, I have seen base Mac Mini M4 scores ~980 so I don't know if there are performance modes.
I remember when I purchased the M1 and paid for 16 GB and 512 GB. THAT SAME OPTION IS CHEAPER THAN M1 was back I. The day! I’m very pleased with the new Mini.
You’re looking at the pricing backwards! think of it like this - the base model is priced to attract and they ‘hope’ you buy upgrades so they can make lots of profit. So a base model M4 is a bargain, an upgraded one is the price they really want.
Thoughts for using it on photo editing like Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop. I'm not a laptop person but this could be a good option for minimalist or someone who doesn't have a large space at home.
I mean, 15 years ago, 500 GB of storage was already a standard built-in storage for Windows PCs, and the slightly more expensive ones already had 1 TB. But here in 2024, the Mac Mini base model only has 256 GB? (Usable space is only around 180 GB, and that’s before installing extra apps or storing media and files so how much space left you get? Think for yourself). So, I will never support this greedy company. I am not affected by Apple, but Apple will be affected by not getting any of my money-which they would get if they weren’t so greedy and insulting to people’s intelligence.
Here is an idea, a video comparing total cost for a setup for a given amount of RAM since that is the most expensive thing with macs. For example 64gb ram, 128gb ram and 192gb ram. The asrock deskmeet x600 for example allows for 192gb and is smaller than a regular desktop but bigger than a mini pc. But gpu options are very much limited. Then some mini pcs have oculink which allow for greater external gpus, but you are limited to 96gb ram. For most people though I think 64gb is good enough.
Do you think that it will be better than an "old" AMD Threadripper 39**X series ? During this vid in Cinebench, I can see that it's beating Threadripper which is insane..!
1 Gigabit ethernet port is an anachronism in 2024. 2.5 GbE is standard now on contemporary devices, not only top end kit. Good luck with 16GB ram if you are developing and running multiple containers.
💯💯💯 I'll never use MacOS or anything Apple. Windows for life, also Linux is starting to look tempting for non-professional tasks. I'm sure he'll follow up with more info....To be fair I haven't watched the whole video yet but looking at the timestamps, fella doesn't compare to a windows product and no real world task comparison...
@@cazschillercan i ask why? I used to say that when apple products had no value for money. But that’s not the case anymore. I switched to a Mac recently (took a bit to get used to). It’s actually great. I hate windows now and use Linux for work.
The M4 Pro Mac Mini should not cost $4,000 because of Moore's law which states that every 18 months it costs a manufacturer half as much to manufacture the same chip. The price of PC flash drives has followed Moore's law for the last 3 years and so Apple has no excuse for not halving the price of their computers every 18 months.
That was one of the most hilarious statements made in the video. All modern computers should really cost hundreds of millions of dollars each, because if we consider some of the first supercomputers and adjust for inflation. The performance we're seeing is better. :D
Only thing it's killing is synthetic benchmarks and MacOS specialised softwares. How about we see some Black myth wukong benchmarks? Oh yea you cant get past loading screen.
Seems like paying money for optimizations under the table is working great again. If it was not for the "preferential" treatment of Apple that chip is no where near those numbers...
A little dock or hat exactly the same size and radius curves same colour and finish that could sit on or under the mini and stack up then connect at the back via a perfectly sized tb cable and worked as a port expander for a couple usb-a, fast sdcard reader and had an m.2 slot inside for an nvme would be amazing
You can also operate the fans at full speeds to show us the worst case. I was always wondering if my MBP M3 Pro fans were working, so i tried a program that lets you control the fans. You can do this as well
I highly doubt it's the death of Windows mini PCs because upgrade ability is a major thing for a lot of people and the ability to run Linux on the bare metal is a major for some people. With Apple you can upgrade it yourself and it can't run whatever operating system you want you are stuck with macOS. And yeah performance-wise for the money the Mac mini is a damn good proposition. Especially with the ryzen 9 370 HX coming out in many PCs putting the price like $1,200
I’d get the base M4 Mini Pro model and use my existing external storage. If I could only upgrade one thing, it would be the RAM. But it depends on your needs. I work mostly with PDFs, Apple Notes and various videoconferencing software and store most documents in the cloud. The extra storage would be for space to install Parallels and Windows for the few occasions I need to do something in that world.
1:16 Why only 10Gbps USB-C ports? The actual standard is 20 Gbps plus USB 4.0 (compatible to TB 3)! So many producers offer 5 Gbps only, which is ridiculous.😮
It looks like a nice bit of kit and well built, but it's a ludicrous proposition to suggest it will kill the mini pc market. My last mini pc was a GMKTex NucBox with an Intel N100 cpu (6W TDP). Under heavy load it drew about 11W in total. Cost me the equivalent of $100 USD. I bought a 16GB DDR4 SODIMM and a 256GB NVMe ssd for an extra $40 or so (it was in Pounds, so I'm estimating the dollar cost). OS was Ubuntu and I use this for a media PC for my TV. So about $150 USD, sips power and is a great little PC. Would I like a Mac Mini M4? Sure, but it's a hell of a lot more and the other downside, MacOS, just no ..... I think it will sell well and is definitely a nice bit of hardware. If you already are embbeded into the Apple eco system, makes a lot of sense. Good luck if you ever want to upgrade the ram / storage though and lol at the markup to go to 512GB and 24GB, what is it $400 extra? Holy crap!
Amazing, Apple did 16Gb of memory in the basic model but had to ruin it all with the size of the SSD, which would be fine if one could just replace it with commodity drives. But no, and 'nickel and dime' hardly covers upgrading anything from the basic model. Almost convinced myself to buy a Mac-Mini.
Still I do not understand the logic: upgrading, gaming or installing any OS is still impossible on this MacMini. Most users don’t spend their time editing videos, so a beast for what purpose? You are still stuck in Apple ecosystem with no much flexibility. I still prefer my intel MacMini 2018.
Apple Intelligence will not work if you boot from an external drive, along with many other features, must people don't know this. Not sure if these are slow ssds in the base model Also once your internal SSD dies, your machine cannot boot from external drives meaning it's a brick in all macs no matter how much you pay, with Mac pro. Being the lone exception. Of course there are ways around this, if you have access to the right apple software tools, hardware and software hacks, etc And Apple may fix this in the future with a firmware update if software similar to a bias update on you know what, who knows. right now it's at least something people should know and consider
@@MrFluke039 we still do bot know this officially as the Mac studio has had these for years, so far apple has done nothing. I suspect the EU will like with USBC make upgradeable storage mandatory above a certain price level on desktop computers, as you cannot use the this and light excuse, even Microsoft allows it in its laptops Also new memory tech is here that is just as fast and energy efficient if not better than in chip memory, and extremely thin and small. I expect Intel to use them next summer and and to follow later with Qualcomm, this will be a huge selling point for windows machine In the meantime UA-cam channels like dosdude2 and others have special software hardware to do this if you can source dinms and even a daughter board that may be able to adapt retail pcie ssds in the future. Buy with base 16 or 32 fast low power dinms. And then 2 to 5 years later for ai and better multitasking more memory for GPU ai CPU, while base macs will always be stock at 9 16 24:32 gb effectively starving their fast chip slowing down to use the SSD as swap memory.
@@Tigerex966 a lot of people swap nand chip on youtube so it confirm on speed part but you can’t buy it anyway they will sell it to you only when current one is broke as a repair cost
The M4 mac Mini is on my list for the new year. It will be used to replace several Windows 10 machines. Replacing five machines with this one M4 Mac mini will still be more powerful than all the windows machines combined. The Windows 11 upgrade requirements eliminate all my desktops from qualification. I am also lobbying at work to replace over four hundred machines with Apple hardware for both the desktop and a new Mac book Air with M4 that is due out next year. We will run custom software on an emulator, and it should perform better than it currently does on the T61 laptops and HP desktops that are over 15 years old. the M4 desktops will be about $CDN600 each which is better than the $1,500 for desktops we were quoted by a vendor (With a 15% discount for volume).
The M4 mini is the most beautiful device I will never ever buy. Tried the M1, but the workflow I intended didn't work as supposed. Gaming on the M1: no thanks. so switched to some X86 based mini's. The M1 now serves as some fancy over specified media streaming device in the living room
They finally moved to the form factor all the other mini-PCs have been for a while, and people are acting like it's truly magic. :D The price for the base model is great, but I need more memory and 256gb of storage is laughable. I'm not buying a mini-PC to hang a load of USB-C storage devices out of it. x86 mini-PCs still live!
The fact that you cannot replace memory or the SSD in Macs is a reason the mini PC will live on. Also, every mini PC I've owned I can easily upgrade the memory and SSD. Plus Apple is pathetic in the baseline mac Mini offerings-> 599.99 gets a whopping 256GB storage! 256GB by todays standards is small, it should start out with a 512GB. 400.00 to upgrade to 1TB is crazy. I can get 4TB for less than 400.00.
But there are benchmarks videos showing the performance is insane compared to mini pcs that even cost 1k. I loathe apple, but i dont mind using an external SSD and 16gb ram is enough for me. If i can run windows on it, i think i'd be fine.
I was curious if it’s better to grab M4 but upgrade to 32GB RAM/1TB which is less than the base M4 Pro 24GB RAM/512GB. From what reviewers who ran benchmarks is that the base m4 chip is much faster/powerful than m3 pro chip. If that’s the case then seems like it could suffice for many people.
There are so many really good AMD and Intel mini PCs right now… Apple really doesn’t compete in price or size. Also, performance on the AMD mini computers can be really really great.
can you please name a few? I am in the market for one, i dont want to spend more than 600$, and i loathe apple. As i understand it, AMD is better than Intel these days for mini pcs?
I never bought mac mini becouse only 8gb ram but now I was thinking but only problem the switch on-off button. I didn't know how I would be able to turn it on. I thought of cutting a hole in the bottom of the table. But luckily for your solution I can turn it on and even its ventilation will be better so that will be upside down on the table. (I subscribed:)
You can get a barebones 13th gen for around 500$ (Or Ryzen) and get 32 GB ddr5-5600 sodimm and a 1 or 2TB m.2 SSD for like 700-800$ built. It would be faster than the apple too.
I like it and I'm tempted, but decently powered mini PCs with Ryzen 7840 plus chips have been out for a couple of years now. I have non-mini PC devices with these chips too, Minisforum V3 and GPD Win mini. The newer HX370 devices might be comparable in performance?
Never was a fan of Apple products, but I tried out the Mac Mini M4 with 512GB storage and 24GB ram. To my surprise it could play a 9x 4K multicam Resolve project without proxies! Reverse play was a bit stuttery, but when the Proxy generator had made a proxy for just one of the angles it also Reverse played without hick ups, even with the proxy generator running in the background. My PC with 12900K and an RX4070 TI can't even play this that smooth without all proxies. I returned the Mac Mini and now get the Mini Pro with only the extra GPU power. The upgrade prices are mind-boggling indeed, but what a little powerhouse!
Don't be confused these are not comparable cause they are optimised for diferrent things. You compare a gaming GPU with a one which not made for games. Maybe next time compare an NVIDIA H200 GPU with Mac4 pro, it's crazy they are different things for different work.
@@kborak @ the PC? Sure, but that's another beast that eats +300 W/h and >500W/h when rendering. The mac mini M4 pro maxes out @ 65W/h. And the PC is not as portable.
The device is excellent, and I'm tempted to purchase one myself. However, once you opt for the 512GB version, you could get a Minis Forum with 32GB and 1TB of upgradable RAM and storage. While Macs offer a highly efficient platform, the openness of the X86 architecture remains more significant. Also M4 pro score 20% slower than my 12 7900x3d in cinebench . The 7700x is 8cores and on a much older node 5nm vs 3nm all those comparaison are pointless.
You can easily run a Linux ARM VM at near native speed using Apple's built-in hypervisor framework. Virtual Buddy can have you up and running in minutes.
@@katsrk3039 4060 ti with 16gb of ram is actually a very good card for 3D. M4 Pro has 24gb which is shared between the system and the graphics card, it is not enough for complex rendering.
Perhaps the base model is a loss leader priced to attract entry level buyers but not profitable at $599 and the speedy upgrades help bring that profit back. Apple after all is the most profitable company on planet earth.
I feel like this machine is being overhyped. I didn't need it to be smaller, that doesn't do a lot for me. I's not a mobile device, and the form factor change means I have to purchase new accessories for it. The biggest argument in it's favor is affordability, but for who? 256GB frustrates me on a phone, and to bring it just to 1TB jacks the price up to $1k. That's $400 away from being a Macbook Air (M2) but you still have to buy a mouse and keyboard, a monitor, a webcam... and you still couldn't take the machine across the room with you to finish your work in bed. This could've been a great device though. Just put a battery inside of it. Ports and a card reader on front. And two M.2 2280 slots on the board. The one thing I didn't need was for it to be smaller.
Unless they allow manual storage and RAM upgrades, I will never buy any Apple computer. My current Windows notebook came with 1 TB of storage and I later upgraded it to 3 TB for a relatively small amount of money. I might even replace the 1 TB module with a 4 TB one, which would give me 6 TB in total. I hope the EU steps in and forces all companies to make their computers upgradable. The size of the new Mac mini is the size it should have had much earlier. When I first saw he old Mac mini, I was shocked how big it was, although just having the same hardware inside as a slim MacBook. Apple really has to work on the site of the Mac Studio next. That thing is huge for a computer that does not need space for huge graphics cards or 3.5 inch SSDs. Why did they make the Mac Studio so big, if there is still no space to upgrade RAM or storage?
I kindof think apple have a little plan. Like if apple made it a no brainer to max ram and storage in these, very affordable macs, we sre looking at customers not returning for over 10 years.
The computer industry has a long history of selling customers home computers with too little memory or storage and then charging a fortune for an upgrade. The PC conquered the home computer market in 1990 with its easily upgradable IBM PC/AT 286 clones. I bought one of these and was later able to upgrade both the hard disk drive and the video card in my PC for around £100. With Apple Silicon Macs Apple is going back to the bad old days of selling impressive computers which require extra RAM and flash storage to make them into the computers that we need. With the £599 M4 Mac Mini Apple has finally fixed the RAM shortage in the base model but still does not fit the extra two 256 Gb flash memory chips that any customer focussed company would fit in such a high performance system. It is true that you can use an external flash drive which would be pretty essential in gaming given that the average PC game is 100 Gb in size.
Many of us will never go with apple because of the vertical integration. 8G of DDR5 is about $22 U.S. today, not the $200 apple makes you pay. Though the M4 is certainly good, buyers have to decide if they want the compromises. As to "windows," it's dying a slow but continual death. If you don't need commercial applications, Ubuntu and Debian run better at no cost.
@@theTechNotice So many exciting young options! I really like Lawson, but Colopinto may be more interesting to me... You? (and it would be pretty interesting to see what Tsunoda would do in that car..)
I don't understand tha comparison against mini PCs. Most mini PCs are extremely cheaper than a Mac mini (as long as you add a decent amount of ram and nvme), and they are mainly used to create small Linux servers or NAS, which the Mac mini is not going to cut it (it sucks at Linux). The other use of mini PCs is for gaming (specially the ones with eGPU), which also sucks on Mac.
That and extremely simple office PCs. Browsing, YT, Word, some PDF, music player, little more. I've set up a couple for family and friends, and the main factor there is cost. Even the N100 will do and that can be had for 200 eur or less.
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Anything I'd want to use a Mac for would require more than 16GB of RAM and 256GB of storage. And with Apple products, as soon as you start adding more RAM and storage, it's going to cost you about 10x as much as it would on any other platform. Apple has the best silicon, but for some reason they insist on having the worst everything else.
Well said!
What do you do that needs more than 16G of ram? Just asking to get a reference.
@@xaerotheheroIf you are into LLM's, heavy Blender or any 3D software user, gaming (what's available), and heavy video editing (4k/8k), I'll assume these are what requires the pro chips, more ram and storage.
@@Tonicshades If you're into LLMs, the only decent GPU that runs anything is a $2000 4090. The highest specced ram mac mini is $2200, THE WHOLE COMPUTER.
It has almost 3x the VRAM of the 4090.
So it's still a massive value proposition. You only lose money upgrading storage.
@@leoym1803 That is true, but in this case it depends what you're looking for, if you're into heavy gaming than PC is the way to go, also some programs for AI are exclusive to Windows. But everything else is preference.
I dont give a fuck how good any apple product is, anyone charging 400 bucks for 16gb of memory should get boycotted and celebrated when the greedy ass company dies, not thrives.
16gb of ram comes with the mac now. however, if you want extra ram, you'll still have to pay up; which i believe the apple tax is fair for the convenience their ecosystem provides. way better than gulag's and microshaft's. :P
@@OnioNode I own both a MacBook Air (16GB) and a PC with 64GB of memory, all 64GB of which needed to run local LLMs cost me less than 8GB would on a Mac.
And having experience with the "Apple ecosystem" - No, it is not fair
@@OnioNode "way better". No, I can go to the store and buy 32GB of memory for $100. F' the Apple Tax.
There is also the problem of Apple going from 9,5% market share a year ago to just 7.7% last month in the computer market. That is so small it will continue to be a niche and never get real gaming focus and continue to be a great video editor, great for hipsters and old people 🤷♂
I will boycott Ferrari because they charge $2000 for a rear view camera while VW only charges $500.
Nope, not for me. Not having a computer with 256GB storage in near-2025, and not paying 250 eur to double that size. Their CPUs are amazing but their pricing scheme is as ridiculous as ever.
it's a desktop pc. external drives are a thing. you're not locked in
its a dirty thing they considering after all silicon apps you have nothing left is ssd
256GB of storage is barely a toy.
@@leoym1803 You have a brain of mush. ITS OVER PRICED YOU NITWIT!
@@SixOThree You can buy 4TB external storage for 300 EUR.
What they do with storage is like a scam, money grab. That's sad. So powerful and so limited. This is even worse on laptops. Usb accessories are really annoying on mobile. If they disconnect we can lose all our work.
Carbon free... we cannot reutilize our expensive SSDs in newer models haha.
I got the M1 MBP with 1TB. That SSD will probably last for 10+ years. But if I want a new model to enjoy faster processors I cannot reuse it... must purchase all expensive storage again.
Where is the carbon free?!
They just create e-waste. All the working hours needed to purchase again their SSDs on every new machine... this is not fair.
I really would like to see what Steve Jobs would think about it. It is the best computer ever created. And at the same time the worst.
MiniPC has one trick: External GPU!
an be limited to 40gbps Which WILL hamper performance on anything higher than low to mid range gpus.
@ oculink works really well.
If you're considering a storage upgrade for any iMac, you're better off getting an external Thunderbolt drive with your preferred size and NVMe from Amazon. It costs a fraction of Apple's upgrade, and you can easily use it with multiple devices.
Yeah, i dont understand why people go crazy about it. Just get an external drive. The RAM is a different story, but for most people who'll use this thing, 16gb is plenty, especially at the base price point.
Why throw a Ryzen 7 and a 9th gen i9 in the cinebench comparison instead of the current models, but then use the highest power draw models from AMD and intel to compare power consumption? This looks like you tried to make the apple product look as good as possible without actually testing it against relevant competitors. The base model is not worth it because it lacks performance, and the upgraded models are not worth it because the upgrades are so expensive.
True dat!
@@supersoundset well usually base model and upgrade model has same speed in single core perf (because it same cpu apple just add more core that it)
if we remove gaming part and focus on working only that it pretty fast cheap price and power effiencet since 20W is even less than a power that you use to charge your phone
like if you want to work on video editing huh just spend 600 usd with monitor and mouse boom you can get work done effortless
with pc you need at least ryzen 5 or core ultra5 with decent gpu to do that on 4k footage and it take 20times power(400W and beyond) and it will be cost expensive that mac but when come to upgrade it cheaper ofcouse but atlest you can game on it so as people who not playing game it killer and ecosystem also bonus
but usually who can afford mac and also gamer they just get 1 mac and 1 pc lol
@@MrFluke039 but you are not going to edit video on a base model mac mini
@@georgwarhead2801 what? are you talking about the storage? since most pros edit on external ssd it can absolutely be used.if you are talking about power then you have a crazy amount of power in the base version, perfect for 90 per cent of pros i would say.
@@troywalt4834 most"pros" dont use 16gb of SHARED ram. even a 60 sec. long RAW footage video would eat up that ram like nothing...this mini is absolutly not perfect for 90% of "pros". its perfect to do small tasks if you already have the apple eco system, but for everything else you need to upgrade the mini as mach as you can and at that point it isnt even compeating anymore against aternatives from the X86 platform wich would run cyrcles around that thing
I love Apple computers since Macintosh SE days, and think the M4 Mini has an amazing value proposition. BUT, it won't kill PC, people use Windows for the more open ecosystem, rather than the curated Apple one.
The mac does not have curated apps. You can download and run any programme.
@@charlievarley did you fall off of a small bus somewhere down the road?
@@charlievarleyMany, if not most but not any. Even with something like Parallels running.
@@DeepThought9999 i did mean apps that are built for macos. But yes there are good work arounds for some if not most pc and linux apps.
We are talking MINI PC and from what I'm reading it will put a serious dent in that market
I have multiple Apple devices including a Macbook Pro, however, IMO the $600 base Mac Mini 4 does not deserve the hype. It only has 256GB of storage which is what you would find in a 2005 computer. You can easily buy a MiniPC from multiple manufacturers with a comparable Ryzen 9 8945HS CPU, 1TB of storage and 32GB of memory for $650. Many MiniPC's support Occulink, have a display port, a 2.5GB LAN, plus a few USB 3.2 ports.
Exactly right. I use a Minisforum UM790 Pro mini-PC, it's two years old already. It has the same small 5x5 inch form factor, but packed with 64GB DDR4 RAM and two 4TB internal Nvme SSDs. The BIOS even supports Raid 0 as an option. The AMD 7945HS APU runs everything I throw at it effortlessly and it sips power. It's got two USB4 (40Gbps) ports, four USB 3.2 ports. 2.5G ethernet port. Two HDMI ports. Headphone/Mic jack out. ON/Off switch in the front. And the kicker is that it is many times cheaper than a Mac mini with 64GB Ram. AND you can run whatever you want on it, whether it's any version of Linux or Windows or whatever, except MacOS, but that's a bonus ;-)
And if you're willing to get a better bones mini pc from AliExpress and their in your own ram and storage you can save a couple hundred bucks
@@supersoundset Just commented this exact thing. Waited 1 year for this rumored mac mini. Went with the UM890 pro instead. Got it with 96GB ram and 4TB HD, just pimped out machine (no need for external drive) and it cost me $1050 in my country. Thing RIPS. My last computer couldn't handle heavy 4k footage, esp. wrapped in a .mp4 codec. But this handles it NO issue. Will the Mac Mini render my Adobe timeline faster. Sure, but honestly rendering content in 2 minutes instead of 4 minutes is not a deal breaker for me. The Ryzen 9 chip FLIES. Oh and the UM890 pro is VERY well built AND literally makes ZERO noise (never heard a single fan sound yet). Again, the apple might be a more powerful computer, but it's like saying this Lambo is faster than your Porsche, but the Lambo costs 600k and the Porsche costs 150k and let's be honest, both cars would FLY. We're spoiled in tech now and we need to band together to F Apple up their greedy corporate bum cause their upgrade options are literaly immoral highway robbery.
@mlhm5 and usb c and do 6500mb/s and sometimes are even smaller and can be modified.
@@DarthLordRaven Occulink is pcie. You have no point.
You're absolutely right about Apple’s upgrade pricing-this has been the norm for them for ages. I've been a Windows user for over 30 years, taking advantage of all the free software options out there. I was actually considering getting a Mac, and this could have been the push I needed. But instead of waiting for the new M4 Mini iMacs, which I knew were on the way, I opted for a Beelink with an AMD 8845HS processor, 32 GB RAM, and 1 TB storage for just CDN $800 on Amazon. It's easily upgradable to 64 GB and includes everything the iMac offers. A comparison between the Beelink with AMD 8845HS and the new iMacs would be really interesting. It even looks similar, with an aluminum chassis and a well-placed power button, unlike Apple's choice to put it underneath. I bought a metal stand that works well with the Beelink on its side, which would actually make the power button easier to reach on an Apple as well.
Mac mini not iMac. That Beelink does not come with a built-in monitor like an iMac so it's comparable to a Mac Mini.
@@riseabove3082 Well all know what he means.
The BeeLink doesn't offer MacOS operation. Comparing this to Windows PCs misses the point here. No 'windows PC (Sorry Hackintoshers) can duplicate the MacOS functionality of an M-Series Mac. Whether that matters, is up to the user. There IS one way that this clickbait caption is right though.. it signals the end of the Hackintosh.
@@fmlazarWhat unique functionality MacOS offers that competitors can't match? Is it wide software support, including games, or maybe it is open source software with open code or is it rather walled garden of overpriced apps that you need to match the convinience of Windows or Linux?
@@unruler Right now Mac OS has the killer apps in video and audio production. Final Cut Pro and Logic. There are plenty of good alternatives, but those are the tools of those at the top of those respective fields.
Mac OS does not restrict you to Apple's store. You can still download apps from other sites and of course you can compile amy command line program that you could on a normal FreeBSD system.
For casual and home users there are the lifestyle conveniences that others can't touch, especially for those invested in other pieces of the Apple ecosystem.
Linux is only "convenient" to gearheads still. It is not close to the user friendliness of Windows, much less MacOS.
Once again, Apple is being rotten to the core!
There is no PC killer when there is no upgrade-ability.
this Mac mini can last 20 years easily
and they are super fast
my video editor he still have a macbook pro i7 16gb ram 2012 and it still runs blazing fast
the hd can be upgraded and a mini pc wont need more than 16gb of ram
Try upgrading a true sffpc, specially for the same amount of money.
@@gabakusa even if wanted to use this computer for 20 years, Apple only supports their hardware for 5 years. Even if the hardware could run the software, Apple doesn't allow you to upgrade to the latest OS and you will no longer be able to run the latest software. The reality is, most people will only keep this hardware for a few years before upgrading to the "next best thing" and Apple prefers it that way. Also, the Intel Macbooks are some of the worse computers and a 2012 Macbook Pro can only run up to macOS 10.15 Catalina.
@@jaczar3304 While the hard drive is technically upgradable, most people will never even attempt it. Also, who decided that a mini pc won't need more than 16GB of ram? That's great if it works for you but one of my mini PC's has an i9 with 32GB and is being used as a Linux server. People have very different needs.
I am looking to get the Mini 4 Pro as I am currently using a high end PC. I tried the Mini Pro 2 a while back (top spec), but it couldn't keep up with my high resolution 360 photo editing.
Could you let me know what your thoughts are compared to the spec I have now? Would really appreciate your feedback.
Here is my current PC spec for comparison.
Rog Strix X570 Gaming Wi-Fi II Motherboard
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X CPU
128GB 3600 DDR4 RAM
Msi Geforce RTX 4070ti Suprim 12GB GPU
1TB Samsung EVO 970 SSD
one of my biggest grumbles is that apple expects a 2.5 or 5k display for the screen scaling to work perfectly, but the mac mini's don't come with monitors and most people tend to purchase 4K monitors (as 5K ones remain stupidly expensive). unfortunately, even when using BetterDisplay, the text is not pin sharp due to apple's lack of fractional scaling in the OS. this is something they really need to consider setting to rights given how popular the new M4 Mac Mini is likely to become. (I only moved over to MacOS when the M1 came out as I could not stand Windows 11).
Had wondered if they fixed that nonsense, but seems not. That's a deal breaker if I could stomach the SSD size. Pity, fancy a change and used to have a Mac back in the day.
asus made a 5k display for dirt cheap now so there it is
This is a deal breaker for me as someone using two 1440p 144hz monitors, what a shame.
@@bartomiejkomarnicki7506 I had one of the previous Asus displays with the single usb-c input which was prone to failing as mine did. loads of videos on youtube about the problem. there is one 5k monitor that is relatively budget made by a company called Kuycon, but I am not buying one unless I know what they are really like in real use.
@@dislexicpotato It's really down to PPI - ideally 110-130 (or double ~220 ish). So 1440p at 34 or 38 inch is actually really nice. I have a 38 inch ultrawide and it looks perfect.
This is the reason Apple monitors in recent years have been 4K for 21 inch, 5k for 27inch, 6k for 32inch.
Apple will *never* compete against the combined PC market.
Regarding 10Gbps ethernet, if you're considering a thunderbolt adapter, make sure you don't get one with the Aquantia AQC107, as there are some hardware bugs with certain aspects of Airplay, like if you want to use your mac as a network speaker (i.e., accept airplay from another machine on the same network, and play audio over the macbook speakers). The AQC107 will bug out and the Airplay session will fail. Instead, get an Aquantia AQC113. And thank me later.
You can add external Egpus to you Salad rigs. Works really well. Earning $100 a week on 4 mini Pc's with 3090s attached
upsidedown is a prefect idea
Please please make video timeline performance and export tests for these! Thank you for your videos!
Yes coming!
I see your post on EVERY SINGLE Mac Mini review. Go buy one yourself and test it yourself. doh
If you're in, not for the base Mac mini M4, but for a boosted Mac mini M4 Pro 48GB with 10-Gigabit ethernet for professional purpose, I'd urge you to wait for the upcoming Max Studio M4 Max, because such boosted Mac mini M4 Pro is actually only $100 less than the current Mac Studio M2 Max… and the M4 Max is vastly superior to the M4 Pro (which is already really, really good) especially in GPU compute!
PC = Personal Computer. How Apple could kill PC when Mac mini is PC as well? xD
yeah all the iSheeps told us M1 gonna destroy PC market 😂 didnt even make a dent in PC market
Apple can never even dust pc market. they are just louis vuitton of pc market.
Love the shirt hint and then “It’s not Checo” 😂
Someone watched til the end of the video!
I don't know what box you live in but you can print on circular paper and not have cut out waste. Been doing this for over 8 years now.
That's you using the Binned model of the M4 Pro too, there is an optional unlocked 14-Core CPU, 20-Core GPU model available too.
The biggest problem I have with Macs is that there is still software that comes only for Windows and sometimes Windows or Unix. There's plenty of software that will not run natively on a Mac. Of course I could run it under a virtual Windows environment, but then there would be a huge hit in performance. One of the key applications I use, is not available for Windows, and it is the application that is extremely dependent on CPU speed. The lack of being able to upgrade RAM is also an issue. Even in a mini PC, I want at least 64GB of RAM.
Secondly, is the user interface. My customers all use PCs only, without a single Mac in their offices, and thus need to use the Windows user interface when at their offices. In combination with my need to use a PC for the software that's not available on a Mac, means I need to use the Windows user interface a good portion of the time. Because of that, my productivity would go down if I had to switch frequently between the two user interfaces.
Now, I do have a Mac Mini, but I probably use it on average once every 3+ months. If all my software ran on a Mac, and all my customers used Macs, I'd have no problem considering to switch to a Mac as my main machine, provided it's cost effective, powerful enough, etc. But as it is, I will not consider it. I kind of wish that it would happen, because I much prefer the iPhone user interface for my phone, but transferring files to/from it via Windows is an extreme pain, if at all possible. That's my primary use for the Mac Mini, being transferring files and other tasks related to my iPhone are seamless.
I bought a Beelink S12 pro for $149. I threw linux mint on it and for what i do, it runs great! N100 with 16 gigs of ram and a 512 ssd. 25% of the new mac mini. Certainly not a direct comparison but for a year now its met my needs
The M4 is about 300% faster for single core and 850% faster for multi core tasks than the n100 so this is not comparing like with like.
@ShowsOn Nope your wrong. The M4 is indeed much faster but if I am doing the same tasks with both, then they definitely compare. My Kia isn't nearly as powerful as my neighbors Mercedes but if we're both using our cars to go to work and run around town we're doing the same thing with each but in a race, he wins.
@@petepaxton5109 your N100 is slower than an Intel Mac Mini released 5 years ago
will they make the bigger M4 too? because my pc is faster atm.. but getting one of these with a Thunderbolt NAS could be a good setup
You must have just watches Toy Story and your a fan of Woody. Great edit; music, cuts and manner. A real hoot! But on a serious note, hmmm. I will be definately comparing these as I was just about to jump back into the Apple ecosystem.
I have a deep interest in Intel/AMD/Nvidia, but credit where credit is due, when it comes down to hardware and software, Apple M SoCs are brilliant. If you aren't invested into gaming, these pretty much are very much compelling to get (You can game on an M3 Max quite comfortably but pricing isn't reasonable at all). Video editing is a clear winner, music production has been solid (IO is more the bottleneck anyways), 3D graphics/rendering are starting to take off with Blender and engineering/architecture/industrial programs, AI with MLX is growing fast in development with unmatched bandwidth and RAM capacity - the only downside is pricing especially with RAM (makes sense if you NEED it) and storage (robbery.), but when it's quite literally an *all-in-one* pc that can do everything well at insane power efficiency, you just gotta respect that. Can't wait for more content from these machines!
And for people who think I'm a 'fanboy' I do believe the 9700X would've been better for optics (if they had it). Pulls ~95W and scores ~1200 mt. And used their 245K results, ~1500 points at 135W. That said, I have seen base Mac Mini M4 scores ~980 so I don't know if there are performance modes.
Ahhh but can you mine bitcoin and make $
@@barryobrien1890 😭😭Naah, you're right, disregard everything I said ☠☠
I remember when I purchased the M1 and paid for 16 GB and 512 GB. THAT SAME OPTION IS CHEAPER THAN M1 was back I. The day! I’m very pleased with the new Mini.
You’re looking at the pricing backwards! think of it like this - the base model is priced to attract and they ‘hope’ you buy upgrades so they can make lots of profit. So a base model M4 is a bargain, an upgraded one is the price they really want.
Slightly less overpriced =/= bargain.
Can you power the mini with a usb-c instead of the ac cord? 🤔
No you cant unfortunately. It can only be powered with the supplied cable outlet.
Thoughts for using it on photo editing like Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop. I'm not a laptop person but this could be a good option for minimalist or someone who doesn't have a large space at home.
I mean, 15 years ago, 500 GB of storage was already a standard built-in storage for Windows PCs, and the slightly more expensive ones already had 1 TB. But here in 2024, the Mac Mini base model only has 256 GB? (Usable space is only around 180 GB, and that’s before installing extra apps or storing media and files so how much space left you get? Think for yourself). So, I will never support this greedy company. I am not affected by Apple, but Apple will be affected by not getting any of my money-which they would get if they weren’t so greedy and insulting to people’s intelligence.
I was waiting for the Tech Notice video on Mac Mini M4 and Here its is...............❤
Here is an idea, a video comparing total cost for a setup for a given amount of RAM since that is the most expensive thing with macs. For example 64gb ram, 128gb ram and 192gb ram. The asrock deskmeet x600 for example allows for 192gb and is smaller than a regular desktop but bigger than a mini pc. But gpu options are very much limited. Then some mini pcs have oculink which allow for greater external gpus, but you are limited to 96gb ram. For most people though I think 64gb is good enough.
Do you think that it will be better than an "old" AMD Threadripper 39**X series ? During this vid in Cinebench, I can see that it's beating Threadripper which is insane..!
1 Gigabit ethernet port is an anachronism in 2024. 2.5 GbE is standard now on contemporary devices, not only top end kit. Good luck with 16GB ram if you are developing and running multiple containers.
Would you recommend a M4pro (unbinned) 48gb 1tb or a M2max (unbinned) 64gb 1tb for DavinciResolveStudio timeline performance?
m4 Pro with 48Gb! Stay tuned for the benchmark video!
thank you! Can’t wait to see your video! we would love to see a real time timeline performance comparison
You can connect that mouse like that in Windows, in fact I did it just a few weeks ago.
If it doesnt run windows its not a PC killer...
By that logic, how do you kill a PC, with a PC?
rumors swear that the defective power supply on-off switch dies after a few kilo-power-cycles.
It does run Windows. Linux too.
@@Derpalerpa pc cannot be killed , the use cases are wide in pc rather Than a single utility mac devices
actually, it is a pc killer.
once you upgrade it to a mediocre level of ram and storage your budget for buying a pc is dead
The upgrading cost of RAM and Storage on Mac is very disturbing.
Do a thermal test with mini running upside down..
What a clickbait title, please be more pro. This needs to be nuanced, and per application type is actually false. Common...
Clickbait titles deserve the good old fashioned thumbs down 👎
I agree. 👎
Cry more. Windows fucking sucks dude. I've run it for many decades and despise it now.
💯💯💯 I'll never use MacOS or anything Apple. Windows for life, also Linux is starting to look tempting for non-professional tasks.
I'm sure he'll follow up with more info....To be fair I haven't watched the whole video yet but looking at the timestamps, fella doesn't compare to a windows product and no real world task comparison...
@@cazschillercan i ask why? I used to say that when apple products had no value for money. But that’s not the case anymore. I switched to a Mac recently (took a bit to get used to). It’s actually great. I hate windows now and use Linux for work.
The audio port in front like it has been in every Mac Mini, is headphone only, no mic support.
The M4 Pro Mac Mini should not cost $4,000 because of Moore's law which states that every 18 months it costs a manufacturer half as much to manufacture the same chip. The price of PC flash drives has followed Moore's law for the last 3 years and so Apple has no excuse for not halving the price of their computers every 18 months.
That was one of the most hilarious statements made in the video. All modern computers should really cost hundreds of millions of dollars each, because if we consider some of the first supercomputers and adjust for inflation. The performance we're seeing is better. :D
Have you tried the M4 Pro with 14 CPU Cores and 20 GPU Cores, I heard that's a beast compared to the base model M4 Pro
Amazing review!
that power button 😅, am I the only one who turns off their PC every night? I’ve already seen people 3D printing to relocate the button
Since when people need to power off PC with a button? xD
Only thing it's killing is synthetic benchmarks and MacOS specialised softwares. How about we see some Black myth wukong benchmarks? Oh yea you cant get past loading screen.
What do you think about mac mini m4 vs minisforum UM790 Pro Ryzen 9 7940HS. I see they are the same price.
Seems like paying money for optimizations under the table is working great again. If it was not for the "preferential" treatment of Apple that chip is no where near those numbers...
A little dock or hat exactly the same size and radius curves same colour and finish that could sit on or under the mini and stack up then connect at the back via a perfectly sized tb cable and worked as a port expander for a couple usb-a, fast sdcard reader and had an m.2 slot inside for an nvme would be amazing
You can also operate the fans at full speeds to show us the worst case. I was always wondering if my MBP M3 Pro fans were working, so i tried a program that lets you control the fans. You can do this as well
I highly doubt it's the death of Windows mini PCs because upgrade ability is a major thing for a lot of people and the ability to run Linux on the bare metal is a major for some people. With Apple you can upgrade it yourself and it can't run whatever operating system you want you are stuck with macOS. And yeah performance-wise for the money the Mac mini is a damn good proposition. Especially with the ryzen 9 370 HX coming out in many PCs putting the price like $1,200
Why it has battery warning icon on the box? It is not macbook or something. lol
Very good point! :)
coin cell battery
I’d get the base M4 Mini Pro model and use my existing external storage. If I could only upgrade one thing, it would be the RAM.
But it depends on your needs. I work mostly with PDFs, Apple Notes and various videoconferencing software and store most documents in the cloud. The extra storage would be for space to install Parallels and Windows for the few occasions I need to do something in that world.
1:16 Why only 10Gbps USB-C ports? The actual standard is 20 Gbps plus USB 4.0 (compatible to TB 3)! So many producers offer 5 Gbps only, which is ridiculous.😮
Please can you make a video editing test?
Coming out indeed! :)
did you pay the extra $100 for the 10GB ethernet ??
It looks like a nice bit of kit and well built, but it's a ludicrous proposition to suggest it will kill the mini pc market. My last mini pc was a GMKTex NucBox with an Intel N100 cpu (6W TDP). Under heavy load it drew about 11W in total. Cost me the equivalent of $100 USD. I bought a 16GB DDR4 SODIMM and a 256GB NVMe ssd for an extra $40 or so (it was in Pounds, so I'm estimating the dollar cost). OS was Ubuntu and I use this for a media PC for my TV. So about $150 USD, sips power and is a great little PC. Would I like a Mac Mini M4? Sure, but it's a hell of a lot more and the other downside, MacOS, just no ..... I think it will sell well and is definitely a nice bit of hardware. If you already are embbeded into the Apple eco system, makes a lot of sense. Good luck if you ever want to upgrade the ram / storage though and lol at the markup to go to 512GB and 24GB, what is it $400 extra? Holy crap!
Can't compare the N100 with the M4 (even regarding power draw). Otherwise, I find your arguments like "just no" against macOS very compelling.
Amazing, Apple did 16Gb of memory in the basic model but had to ruin it all with the size of the SSD, which would be fine if one could just replace it with commodity drives. But no, and 'nickel and dime' hardly covers upgrading anything from the basic model. Almost convinced myself to buy a Mac-Mini.
Still I do not understand the logic: upgrading, gaming or installing any OS is still impossible on this MacMini. Most users don’t spend their time editing videos, so a beast for what purpose? You are still stuck in Apple ecosystem with no much flexibility. I still prefer my intel MacMini 2018.
Apple Intelligence will not work if you boot from an external drive, along with many other features, must people don't know this.
Not sure if these are slow ssds in the base model
Also once your internal SSD dies, your machine cannot boot from external drives meaning it's a brick in all macs no matter how much you pay, with Mac pro. Being the lone exception.
Of course there are ways around this, if you have access to the right apple software tools, hardware and software hacks, etc
And Apple may fix this in the future with a firmware update if software similar to a bias update on you know what, who knows.
right now it's at least something people should know and consider
it swapable ssd now but you can only buy it when it broke from apple xD and it not slow anymore since they use 2 nand 128gb
@MrFluke039 well we are not sure yet if anyone has success dosdude 2 and others will try
@@MrFluke039 we still do bot know this officially as the Mac studio has had these for years, so far apple has done nothing.
I suspect the EU will like with USBC make upgradeable storage mandatory above a certain price level on desktop computers, as you cannot use the this and light excuse, even Microsoft allows it in its laptops
Also new memory tech is here that is just as fast and energy efficient if not better than in chip memory, and extremely thin and small.
I expect Intel to use them next summer and and to follow later with Qualcomm, this will be a huge selling point for windows machine
In the meantime UA-cam channels like dosdude2 and others have special software hardware to do this if you can source dinms and even a daughter board that may be able to adapt retail pcie ssds in the future.
Buy with base 16 or 32 fast low power dinms.
And then 2 to 5 years later for ai and better multitasking more memory for GPU ai CPU, while base macs will always be stock at 9 16 24:32 gb effectively starving their fast chip slowing down to use the SSD as swap memory.
@@Tigerex966 a lot of people swap nand chip on youtube so it confirm on speed part but you can’t buy it anyway they will sell it to you only when current one is broke as a repair cost
The M4 mac Mini is on my list for the new year. It will be used to replace several Windows 10 machines. Replacing five machines with this one M4 Mac mini will still be more powerful than all the windows machines combined. The Windows 11 upgrade requirements eliminate all my desktops from qualification. I am also lobbying at work to replace over four hundred machines with Apple hardware for both the desktop and a new Mac book Air with M4 that is due out next year. We will run custom software on an emulator, and it should perform better than it currently does on the T61 laptops and HP desktops that are over 15 years old. the M4 desktops will be about $CDN600 each which is better than the $1,500 for desktops we were quoted by a vendor (With a 15% discount for volume).
The M4 mini is the most beautiful device I will never ever buy. Tried the M1, but the workflow I intended didn't work as supposed. Gaming on the M1: no thanks. so switched to some X86 based mini's.
The M1 now serves as some fancy over specified media streaming device in the living room
They finally moved to the form factor all the other mini-PCs have been for a while, and people are acting like it's truly magic. :D The price for the base model is great, but I need more memory and 256gb of storage is laughable. I'm not buying a mini-PC to hang a load of USB-C storage devices out of it.
x86 mini-PCs still live!
The fact that you cannot replace memory or the SSD in Macs is a reason the mini PC will live on. Also, every mini PC I've owned I can easily upgrade the memory and SSD. Plus Apple is pathetic in the baseline mac Mini offerings-> 599.99 gets a whopping 256GB storage! 256GB by todays standards is small, it should start out with a 512GB. 400.00 to upgrade to 1TB is crazy. I can get 4TB for less than 400.00.
But there are benchmarks videos showing the performance is insane compared to mini pcs that even cost 1k. I loathe apple, but i dont mind using an external SSD and 16gb ram is enough for me. If i can run windows on it, i think i'd be fine.
Based on the price. It's either the base M4 or the M4 Pro. No middle ground.
I was curious if it’s better to grab M4 but upgrade to 32GB RAM/1TB which is less than the base M4 Pro 24GB RAM/512GB.
From what reviewers who ran benchmarks is that the base m4 chip is much faster/powerful than m3 pro chip. If that’s the case then seems like it could suffice for many people.
There are so many really good AMD and Intel mini PCs right now… Apple really doesn’t compete in price or size. Also, performance on the AMD mini computers can be really really great.
"Really good" LOL
can you please name a few? I am in the market for one, i dont want to spend more than 600$, and i loathe apple. As i understand it, AMD is better than Intel these days for mini pcs?
I never bought mac mini becouse only 8gb ram but now I was thinking but only problem the switch on-off button.
I didn't know how I would be able to turn it on.
I thought of cutting a hole in the bottom of the table.
But luckily for your solution I can turn it on and even its ventilation will be better
so that will be upside down on the table.
(I subscribed:)
It's a mini-PC, just tilt it and press the button. It's a retarded place for a power button, but it's hardly the end of the world.
Thank you Laurie
We can see you're an apple fan boy because you love the fan in the apple more than the other fans 😂
yeah it's not killing anything. folks from agencies with teslas will have those and that is it.
You can get a barebones 13th gen for around 500$ (Or Ryzen) and get 32 GB ddr5-5600 sodimm and a 1 or 2TB m.2 SSD for like 700-800$ built. It would be faster than the apple too.
I like it and I'm tempted, but decently powered mini PCs with Ryzen 7840 plus chips have been out for a couple of years now. I have non-mini PC devices with these chips too, Minisforum V3 and GPD Win mini. The newer HX370 devices might be comparable in performance?
Never was a fan of Apple products, but I tried out the Mac Mini M4 with 512GB storage and 24GB ram. To my surprise it could play a 9x 4K multicam Resolve project without proxies! Reverse play was a bit stuttery, but when the Proxy generator had made a proxy for just one of the angles it also Reverse played without hick ups, even with the proxy generator running in the background. My PC with 12900K and an RX4070 TI can't even play this that smooth without all proxies. I returned the Mac Mini and now get the Mini Pro with only the extra GPU power. The upgrade prices are mind-boggling indeed, but what a little powerhouse!
Don't be confused these are not comparable cause they are optimised for diferrent things. You compare a gaming GPU with a one which not made for games. Maybe next time compare an NVIDIA H200 GPU with Mac4 pro, it's crazy they are different things for different work.
Storage is $60 per TB retail. And they are giving people 0.25 TB as the baseline. What!?
You could have upgraded your gpu and got more ram for less and it would have performed better. You are only telling us you arent bright.
@@kborak @ the PC? Sure, but that's another beast that eats +300 W/h and >500W/h when rendering. The mac mini M4 pro maxes out @ 65W/h. And the PC is not as portable.
The device is excellent, and I'm tempted to purchase one myself. However, once you opt for the 512GB version, you could get a Minis Forum with 32GB and 1TB of upgradable RAM and storage. While Macs offer a highly efficient platform, the openness of the X86 architecture remains more significant. Also M4 pro score 20% slower than my 12 7900x3d in cinebench . The 7700x is 8cores and on a much older node 5nm vs 3nm all those comparaison are pointless.
What's the jacket you're wearing? Has an interesting look.
Is base mac mini ssd speed twice as slow as upgraded 512gb ssd??? Or read and write speed are the same???
Does it run Linux?
No. Asashi linux runs on M1 and M2
You can easily run a Linux ARM VM at near native speed using Apple's built-in hypervisor framework. Virtual Buddy can have you up and running in minutes.
Can you tell us that is m4 pro more powerful than i9 14900k and 4070 super combo for ae/pr/blender
4070 Super is way better than the M4 Pro GPU
@@eprpop even rtx 4060 is enough
@@katsrk3039 4060 ti with 16gb of ram is actually a very good card for 3D. M4 Pro has 24gb which is shared between the system and the graphics card, it is not enough for complex rendering.
Perhaps the base model is a loss leader priced to attract entry level buyers but not profitable at $599 and the speedy upgrades help bring that profit back. Apple after all is the most profitable company on planet earth.
I feel like this machine is being overhyped. I didn't need it to be smaller, that doesn't do a lot for me. I's not a mobile device, and the form factor change means I have to purchase new accessories for it.
The biggest argument in it's favor is affordability, but for who? 256GB frustrates me on a phone, and to bring it just to 1TB jacks the price up to $1k. That's $400 away from being a Macbook Air (M2) but you still have to buy a mouse and keyboard, a monitor, a webcam... and you still couldn't take the machine across the room with you to finish your work in bed.
This could've been a great device though. Just put a battery inside of it. Ports and a card reader on front. And two M.2 2280 slots on the board. The one thing I didn't need was for it to be smaller.
Unless they allow manual storage and RAM upgrades, I will never buy any Apple computer. My current Windows notebook came with 1 TB of storage and I later upgraded it to 3 TB for a relatively small amount of money. I might even replace the 1 TB module with a 4 TB one, which would give me 6 TB in total. I hope the EU steps in and forces all companies to make their computers upgradable.
The size of the new Mac mini is the size it should have had much earlier. When I first saw he old Mac mini, I was shocked how big it was, although just having the same hardware inside as a slim MacBook. Apple really has to work on the site of the Mac Studio next. That thing is huge for a computer that does not need space for huge graphics cards or 3.5 inch SSDs. Why did they make the Mac Studio so big, if there is still no space to upgrade RAM or storage?
IM UPGRADING TO THIS FROM MY 2019 MACBOOK AIR
Faster in single core than any X86. But any 13th/14th gen i9 or Zen 4 Ryzen 9 and above are faster in multicore
"Not Checo". Excellent! Let's go 4x!
Not everyone got it :)
I am gonna wait for the M5
HUNDRED!!!!
Hey! Could you compare a windows pc that is similarly priced to the mac mini base and pro.
Thank you your videos are very informative.🌟🌟
I kindof think apple have a little plan. Like if apple made it a no brainer to max ram and storage in these, very affordable macs, we sre looking at customers not returning for over 10 years.
The computer industry has a long history of selling customers home computers with too little memory or storage and then charging a fortune for an upgrade. The PC conquered the home computer market in 1990 with its easily upgradable IBM PC/AT 286 clones. I bought one of these and was later able to upgrade both the hard disk drive and the video card in my PC for around £100.
With Apple Silicon Macs Apple is going back to the bad old days of selling impressive computers which require extra RAM and flash storage to make them into the computers that we need.
With the £599 M4 Mac Mini Apple has finally fixed the RAM shortage in the base model but still does not fit the extra two 256 Gb flash memory chips that any customer focussed company would fit in such a high performance system. It is true that you can use an external flash drive which would be pretty essential in gaming given that the average PC game is 100 Gb in size.
The base model mac mini is the only computer that makes sense on this lineup.
Many of us will never go with apple because of the vertical integration. 8G of DDR5 is about $22 U.S. today, not the $200 apple makes you pay. Though the M4 is certainly good, buyers have to decide if they want the compromises. As to "windows," it's dying a slow but continual death. If you don't need commercial applications, Ubuntu and Debian run better at no cost.
Does any one know if theres a way to daisy chain two base mac minis to share workload in real time?
Checo needs to be a distant memory. Lol.. Looking forward to Davinci Resolve results on all of these new Macs!
haha, wonder who's gonna replace him?
@@theTechNotice So many exciting young options! I really like Lawson, but Colopinto may be more interesting to me... You? (and it would be pretty interesting to see what Tsunoda would do in that car..)
“TU DU DU DU MAX VERSTAPPEN” 🗣🔥🔥🔥
Lol
I don't understand tha comparison against mini PCs. Most mini PCs are extremely cheaper than a Mac mini (as long as you add a decent amount of ram and nvme), and they are mainly used to create small Linux servers or NAS, which the Mac mini is not going to cut it (it sucks at Linux). The other use of mini PCs is for gaming (specially the ones with eGPU), which also sucks on Mac.
That and extremely simple office PCs. Browsing, YT, Word, some PDF, music player, little more. I've set up a couple for family and friends, and the main factor there is cost. Even the N100 will do and that can be had for 200 eur or less.
Love my M4 Mac mini (base model)