24V Cummins VP44 Won't Start - You Know Where This is Headed...
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- This 2000 Dodge Ram 2500 with a 24 valve Cummins will crank but will not start. Let's replace the VP44 injection pump.
0:00 Intro and new scan tool
5:56 Diagnosis
11:04 Begin actual work
19:48 Getting parts
24:17 Drain fuel
26:31 Install pump
28:44 First start
31:43 Outro
Area Diesel: • Neglected Forklift Fin...
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Does this scan too do transmission quick learn?
gas in diesel.. you can put 20% gas in diesel.. at least.. all it does is go a hell of a lot better.. but, dont do it every day. a friend put gas in his tank,& not knowing,cost him over 600 bucks, get it drained,towed,ect.. its not an issue.. bad diesel, is fixed with gas
de boss reckons every bolt on a cummins is 18 lbs. cant see your problem.
you two are awesome couple iv been happily married for 1.5 years know I'm looking to buy a plow truck what would you recommend for a plow truck? I live in st johnsbury Vermont
I own a launch x341. I'm very pleased with the tool. A free 2 year update. My 2 years went quickly. But I took advantage of the free updates. The kicker is the $550.00 fee each year for updates after the 2 years is up.
I think the other scanners are only 1 year free update.
All that rust had me tear up a little. Such a beautiful sight 🥰
13:19 such a beautiful sound. ALLLLL the way to the floor baby!
good old dodges, you can hear em rust😂
Good to see SMA in the house!
@@dafyd242 2nd gens do love to rust, but also using some sort of undercoating helps a ton. My ram had zero rust and was mainly only drove in the snow to go snowmobiling, always krown coated. Smile task to prolong any truck or car
Wouldn't want you to think you were all alone in the crusty department. LOL. Have a great day, Eric!
13:30 you can tell someone has been turning wrenches for a while when they freeze as a tool or bolt falls. After dropping enough things you come to realize that you're not going to catch it and the best thing to do is to hold still and listen to see if you can determine exactly where it stops.
Especially on a gravel driveway!
@@hopingforthebest1.9 oh yeah, was fixing the carb on my 65 IHC on my tailgate and dropped the accelerator pump discharge nozzle. Never did find it! I froze but I swear, it's probably still in my tailgate!
I have probably dropped a few hundred bucks worth of hand tools as I worked under the hood of long forgotten car or truck.
@@hopingforthebest1.9 gravel or dirt is better then grass a 1000 times the gravel only sucks when laying on it , at lest u can find it unlike grass .👍😄
@@heithdotysadventures7824 what about snow?
It's the dry, sarcastic humour that keeps us sane! :)
Hmm. No sure about that. It may be a function of being insane...
@@WatchWesWork Nah, we're definitely the sane ones.
@@WatchWesWork nope…..we are the normal ones……, it’s everybody else that’s crazy. That’s what I tell myself
@@WatchWesWork "If we weren't all crazy, we'd all go insane" as Bubba penned into song so long ago.
*humor*
Hearing tools hit the ground is always a great sound when working on vehicles.
Ahhh the sound of fuck it I'll find it later.
When the 10 mm socket doesn't hits ground it's time to get nervous
unless that ground is sloppy mud
Oxymoron “quick disconnect” fuel line… means quick/cheap for Dodge to assemble…pain to maintain!
That quick Connect stuff works great for the first few months maybe longer but who try’s them out before something brakes just to see if it still works.
We call them quick connects in the industry. Generally they need a special tool to be remotely quick disconnect.
Not just dodge! I had to replace so many coolant quick connects on GM 6.5 back in day. Made of crap metal that would snap off moment you tried to remove them.The front ones were not to bad to drill and tap out then replace with barbs but man when the left back rear busted , such a pita . First few I removed intakes to drill , then about the 4th one (done about 150 total in SC working for Bellsouth) I learned to do it without removal but still such a pita. working flat rate I did make some damn good money on 6.5's and up to 95 G van 30 min dash heater cores.
"we have a non working dodge truck"...."hang on the room is spinning" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Still better than a ford
😂
@@kyboy5 is that why ford out sells dodge and chevy trucks combined
@@fordnut4914 I don't care how many pos fords they sell they are still piling up fords at the speedway down the road
Fix or repair daily
They are all piles of shit. I work for Chrysler. I just tell people what problems do you want to deal with? Trans fuel engines pick one. They all expensive to fix. I own a ram 2500 I’ve done a couple trans rebuilds in it. Ford got one on out lot that ate the injection system and just got a Chevy trade duramax that melted a piston
Mrs. Wes is a good sport and I enjoy the banter. My wife would tell me you get what you pay for, so stop complaining!
Now that you have a top side creeper Max should have no problem getting that those engine critters!
Riding along with Wes... The other day I was lamenting that I sold all my tools and closed my shop and today watching you work I realized, I never smell of diesel, never have the red knuckles of death and sometimes even the fingerprint scanner on my phone actually recognizes my fingerprints! I am glad you do what you do, are mostly happy doing it, crazy sh** happens to you, your wife is given faulty instructions and you sit at the end of the day and laugh about it.. and I sit at my computer desk and reminisce while clean and not bleeding from any part of my body! Love you guys, live long and happy lives together.
"...I might not have been fully listening..." The judge in my divorce hearing was not happy when I made the same statement... but I digress. : )
"Well I also gave them some money" - The trick that rarely fails if only they get enough of the green stuff
Seems to guarantee delivery!
@@WatchWesWork Not so much these days. It's increasingly difficult to get some people to take my money in exchange for relatively basic services!
@@watcherofwatchers perfect time for DIY, bro
Nahh, the lady's right Wes the outro is fine... It's just you all being you, and that's why we love ya. The old Dodger lives again.
Things were taught, things were learned. Great video.
We mounted the lift pump and fuel filters on the frame rail and installed a fuel pressure gauge. We’ve been able to monitor lift pump performance and change it out before damage occurred to the VP44.
Wes mate your camera work on this video was indeed fantastic everything up close was so clear and shows even if the truck is big the close confines you have to work in shine through ,,fascinating insight into working on engines ! Great job Wes
My shop teacher taught me something 20+ years ago. Its not a quick disconnect, its a quick connect.
Max still have some moves in him, and the critter detector is on point.
We can't thank Wes & his subscribers enough for the interest in our parts and services (and our channel)! Our number one mission is to provide these parts and services with top notch customer service - we want that to be what sets us apart. During these times of hard to source parts/supply chain issues, we are using our connections and efforts to scrounge up the parts people need. If you can't find something, give us a chance to get you the part. We also have stocks of our own reman parts ready to go! Thanks again Wes!
You guys are awesome. Definitely the first people I'll call when I need a rebuild. The youtube channel rocks too!
@@squidiz496 Thanks for the compliment!
A couple of side notes for those who may attempt this…
The Woodruff key is matched with the pump for timing purposes. Do not lose the key that came with the new pump.
If the tappet cover is leaking, now is the time to replace the gasket, or better yet, get a billet cover with o-rings if you plan on keeping the truck for any length of time. Those gaskets on the original tappet cover will harden and leak. You don’t want to pull the VP44 again to fix the leak.
Those stock, Carter lift pumps are pretty poor quality. FASS makes a high quality, direct replacement pump. They also make a remote pump/air separation system that mounts by the fuel tank, which is the best solution.
Those VP44’s are really sensitive to low lift pump pressure, so having a fuel pressure gauge on the A-pillar is almost required to save the VP44 when the cheap Carter lift pump fuel pressure approaches 5 PSI (more is better).
I run Diesel Kleene with each fill up to help the VP44 last with today’s low sulphur fuels.
FWIW…
Communication problems with non-experienced people inside the car can lead to injuries...
Me and my mate had to push-start his car once, while his girlfriend was at the wheel. We told her to let the clutch out when we gave her a sign, as we signalled her to do so, she simply turned the key, what weakened the battery even more.
The second attempt after we told her the procedure again, she left out the clutch that hard, that my mate slipped off of the rear left fender, where he was pushing,running alongside of the car and I hit my knee on the rear bumper, because the car stood still immediatly in first gear, although we told her to use 2nd gear...
So much for communication in such situations...
:-D
Thx for showing us another interesting job!
:-D
Hard to complain about free help, but we find a way...
@@WatchWesWork :-D
Our rigs don't rust in Oregon so it amazes me to see stage 3 weight reduction like this!
What part of Oregon are you in?
Stage 3? For a Chrysler product, especially Ram this is stage 1.
@@tclott316 doesn’t matter the product here in the Midwest. Any car or truck is half rusted out within 2 years if not sooner, depending on how much you drive in Winter.
@@Daktyl198 it does matter. Chrysler products turn to shit way faster than the other 2 brands. Same thing with Subaru’s. Yes they all rot out here, nothing you can do to stop them but some rot way faster than others
Likewise my dude.
I live in Australia and never see this kind of rust.
Yay! Boring Saturday night in Australia, nothing on TV and you upload, THANKS!
Don't worry, "assistant". Anyone could have done that. Be nice, Wes. Having an "assistant" is a major blessing.
Area diesel seem like the nicest group to deal with, would be happy to give them my business
I just love that fancy step ladder with a leaning post, I think of all the years of climbing up into the engine bay and trying to reach back and support my upper body, that thing looks like a life saver. Why don't you let your pup climb the new steps and get that rat out of the hood. Great show. Cheers from Jacksonville Florida 🌞
Watching you work is a absolute pleasure,
Some "friendly" teasing" may bite you in the neck one day, but the missus seem to handle you well
Your comments are still top of the class
The lift pumps were garbage on the vp44. Most of the time barely made enough pressure and eventually took out the injection pump. That’s the reason everyone goes with a fass or air dog. The rule of thumb was a minimum of 10 psi of fuel while driving. That supplied the proper pressure and also was enough to pop open the return line spring so you could circulate fuel and keep the injection pump cool
@13:19 OMG THE FLASHBACKS!!!! the wait of that wrench until it hit the ground i was also on the edge of my seat!
Another awesome job Wes! Love your honest..."raw" content. Thanks! Hey, take it easy on your assistant! She a critical, needed, part of your repair crew! 😁
That top side creeper saves the hood latch from diggin into your gut too.
When you dropped the wrench I held my breath waiting for the concrete clank. My wifes dodge still owes me a 10mm socket.
Yep, been there, done that. Two towing charges and a trip to the Cummins dealership. Both pumps replaced at a bit over 3 grand. As it turned out the service department manager was a friend of mine from high school.
Like you he said they were having to replace a lot of the pumps. He placed the blame on the new low and zero sulfur fuel. Who knows?? But in my 53 years of driving, it's the only vehicle I wish I had never sold.
2000, Cummins dually,
OK, I just made it to your "key on" incident... I just finished the reinstall of the injection pump on my Case 1690, I found out the hard way that the pump gear can actually skip a tooth and I wasn't smart enough to put the keyway in an orientation that aligned pump during install anyways. I guess all I'm saying is, I feel you pain friend, I feel your pain.
13:19
I absolutely hate it when that happens especially if it doesn’t hit the ground
I was glad to see the way you ended the video. In fact it was my favorite park. My friend I think you are too blessed to be stressed by the trivialities of daily life. {please take that a compliment to the two of you.} Keep up the good work.
In Alberta Canada, we spray beet juice on our roads to combat ice, and so we no longer have the same rusting issues we used to have.
They still salt here but not nearly as much, below like -13c you can't do either. Those warmer winter climates though, zero ice on the road from the heavy salting, not like we get here, southern ontario is the same. The course stone they put down on the highways sure does tear up rear fenders thought, not many dodge rams\chevy\ford around that don't have rotted out rears after 10 years.
Great job Wes, Good for the customer to replace all of the cancer on that dodge! Those 24V Cummins should go another 200K easily.
Thank you both for another good start to the weekend.
24V with all kinds of body rust, what a sight for sore eyes 🥰
You’re a genius. I saw your video because the same thing just happened to my 2001 cummins. Started it tonight, it ran for about 5 seconds, sputtered and quit. Then I couldn’t restart it. 😭
another cool video. Thanks Wes for another good start to the weekend.
Saturday night for me, perfect timing 💕 🇦🇺
After a three week long vacation off grid first priority is watching Wes, Matt and Squatch383 updates.... Don´t want a therapist to analyze that. But in my mind I can´t find a better way spending time neglecting watering plants, vacuming etc.
Love to see the two of you go at it!
Glad to see your Saturday vid! Love your sense of humor
What a pair! You guys are great! Another work of excellence out the door!
The same problem with Vp44 is in europe - for example Vp44 has Opel 1.7 DTI, FORD TDDi; and Audi A6 C5 2.5TDI V6 - lots of problem with fuel pump , But previous generation Audi A6 C4 2.5TDI R5 - has Bosch VP37 Pump - super reliable fuel pump like in 12V cummins RAM
Yes I’m from the U.K., and 9/10 times when a mk6 Ford transit brakes down its because of the fuel pump
@@K20XRL older transit till 1999 didnt brake down by failure pump
@@mikkei3532 yeah mk5 banana manifold engines where bulletproof
I guess this experience will help you remember to say something specific like, "Put the key into the run position, but do NOT turn the engine over." 😂
I'm glad that didn't end up being an issue though!
I love the banter! My wife and I are the same after 30yrs of marriage. You guys are awsome! God bless you all.
I just love the interaction between you two it is so refreshing to see happiness in the arguments mind you give the Mrs a break After all she is a teacher which is hard work
Teaching isn't hard.
Kids, though...
I work for the council when I return home that’s the end of my day I know a teacher when they return home they still have to mark books and school work which I think is hard but fair point about kids
@@MrAmorti especially in inner city schools. you'll hate kids after working in wakanda schools
@@leslierhodes5467 yes my mom taught for 35 years....i am sure none of us mortal men would last 10 minutes with a class of 20 first graders!!
Hitting the floor/ground is a sweet sound!
Seriously great work on this one. Your quick wit suggests you’d be great in a stand up comedy club, but you’d have to move closer to where people live. Engine belly flips! Note that we appreciate the work you and Mrs Work do. My WWW shirt is in the mail. Exciting
People? I'm out.
@@WatchWesWork I feel this comment in my soul. There's a reason I work in the shop and not in the front office.
I am a retired diesel mechanic of 40 years. When the vp44 fails it puts out 4 to 8 codes. Something many mechanic s don't know is you set the engine at tdc, but it doesn't have to be on the compression stroke. It has a laser inside and it will automatically time itself. Main reason for top dead center is so the key doesn't drop into the gear case. And also you cannot replace that key unless you set it up on a test stand and time it.
Correct. The pump gear turns half the speed of the engine, so crank timing doesn't matter.
You are a wizard at fixing engines. Keep up the great work! Great videos.
Wow Wes you're amazing 6 book hrs AND diagnosis in like 30min, no wonder you're so busy
You guys are great - banter between you adds to the experience - enjoy all the interaction !!
Hi Wess, Always glad to see your LOVELY assistant in your vids!!!
Yeah Max was great!
She's nice to see on the video, but as long as she doesn't try to start something lol
The deboss part cracked me up! Thanks for the content and entertainment as always!
I like watching these diesel repairs.
I have the chorus from Led Zeppelin's "Communication Breakdown" stuck in my head after similar tasks with my wife too. Cheers Wes!
Another good video keep up the great work Wes
Best mechanic videos .. always learn something new!!! Thanks as always my friend!
Awesome video love I appreciate all the hard work you do for us.
„Glad“ to see the Bosch VP-44 wasn’t just unreliable in the VW/Audi 2.5 V6 Engines we have here in Europe
Is it the same model?
You know that Wes is a pro when he listens for where the tool has gone. What a great feeling when it hits the ground!!
Great job Wes Thanks for sharing 👍 👏
I want a Dodge diesel so bad ;(
When you got her start, I teared up a little. Poor olè girl was happy. I love the sound of a Cummins.
I have a 1998 Ram 1500 5.2 gasoline. 269,482 miles and STILL runs like a top. I live in MD, so she doesn't have much rust on her, thankfully.
Always good to start the day with the WWW and Family 👪.
You’re both very intelligent, and Wes, you’re a great mechanic!
I've owned dodges with the Ve, P, and Vp and common rail. Agree the Vp ones are more problematic but just two things will keep them happy and running, one is they don't like to pull their own fuel from the taknk so keep them feed, second is keeping them cool so I always try and keep the tank at least half full in the hot summer days. Fuel pressure gauge and a working fuel gauge has kept me from ever replacing a Vp 44. Knock on wood I probably just opened the door for Murphy to show his head.
Actually just commented this a few minutes ago. 100% agree
Mine has been working in my truck for over 10 years. Knock on wood indeed.
I had a raptor 100 pump and fuel pressure garage on my 99, put around 150k on it before selling it and never had a single fuel issue
My husband and I love watching you work! Keep up the good work.
As usual you got the job done perfectly! I have faith in you! There will be many more!
another great vid, i always watch one of yours on a Saturday and then get the motivation to go out and wrench on my stuff....appreciate the kick in the pants, cheers!
These modern engines scare me and I am fearless.
Great job as usual, enjoy your rapier wit.
Great channel! Some excellent filming and mechanical work. Even keeled and level headed delivery enjoyable to watch. Thanks
As always...a very cool video. Loved the bonus b-roll of max.
Bro think you’re work is amazing love your videos and your family your doing great for my mental health keep your channel going absolutely love it 😊
Aside from your well-known skills....what is truly amazing is your abiding patience with each other and a nice sense of mutual trust.
Healthy truck and a healthy marriage. Great jobs. Both are hard work.
I remember helping a buddy do this same job on his '01, he said that injection pump was about $1,800 and that was for a remanufactured one.
Phew that could have worked out so bad,love your videos wes,take care,and GBYand the family.
Could it just be, that there are more of these in your area then you think? My guess is you don't work on them often because the Cummins is a much better and easier to work on then the more complex powerstroke and Duramax's!
Video quality is amazing. Lighting is great 👍🏻
Wes, Watching Mrs Wes throw that tennis ball at the end makes me think I'd stay out of reach of her right hand. That young lady has one hell of an arm on her!! Great vid again, thanks for sharing your wisdom with all of us!
I love this guys videos, he really knows his stuff and shows all the hair pulling moments when things go wrong that comes with working on vehicles. A great mechanic who I would trust to work on my vehicles.
Always a pleasure watching you work Wes. I get a kick out of your ‘hired help’ good help is hard to find but just the same you two made me laugh at the end. Don’t stop doing what you do. Maybe someday I’ll be able to order some of your stickers hehehe. Thanks again u make my day!
Thanks for putting out videos, they are informative and helpful for repairs I have coming up.
Lucky for you that your assistant puts up with your incomplete instructions. Very lucky!
Wes, thanks for another great video. As an owner of a truck with a vp-44 engine my advice to you is after the diagnosis, if the vehicle still has a "lift" pump refuse to go any further unless the customer agrees to let you change to then in tank version or a fass pump. I don't care how "upgraded" the lift pumps claim to be they will all fail and fail soon, and we all know who the customer will blame.
This is sage advice. Listen to what he is saying.
is the fass pump the one that Wes wants to put in, the one with vanes at 22:24?
@@Netherlands031 No, it's a large standalone unit with filters that mounts on the frame rail near the fuel tank. It has a much higher flow capacity than any kind of pump like the one he put in, and at a much higher pressure as well to prevent cavitation. FASS stands for fuel air separation system, and is also the brand name for one of the 2 major manufacturers of that type of pump.
I run the Air Dog on my 99. My vp44 had the intermittent electrical failure that caused a hard stall at mid range. My troubleshooting included a fuel pressure gauge on the dash. Took it to a great shop, 2100 bucks for reman 4p44 installed and I was on my way. I have about 260,000 miles on it with a no rust body.
I paid 6000 for it in 2013. Tows anything I tie to it.
Yep. Put a FASS or an Airdog on and they can be very reliable. That and a better track bar should be the first upgrades on a 2nd gen.
Dear Mr. Wes
👍👌👏 Very well done again and as always. Of course I watched your absolutely stunning Area Diesel video. I was totally gobsmacked by their extreme professionalism. The working areas are all very, very clean and unbelievably good organized. Places/shops like this are extremely rare and I hope that they don't have the usual problems to find expert employees.
Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health to all of you (including the great critter/rodent detector of course).
I love your work Wes from SE corner of Australia very instructional
The male end on the fuel fitting to the low pressure pump looks like an SAE J2044. Several companies make mating female line end - all go on easy but can be a pain without the removal tool to get them off as you have found out. They are popular since they only need one hand to make the connection and can be verified either with a tug - the style you are working with - on a assurance feature that either acts as a secondary lock or just an indicator.
Come on Wes. Go full Deboss garage and P pump it lol.
Your dog is so damn smart, such a cutie too. Not saying Iwatch your videos just for him or anything, good video as always wes!
Smarter than us!
@@WatchWesWork He's successfully trained some humans into feeding him regularly, patting him, and playing with him. And all he has to do is play, relax, and chase critters (which is basically more playing).
Doesn't sound too bad, actually.
Interesting note, I got 14 years out of my original equipment batteries on my 2004.5 Dodge/Cummins, close to 300,000 miles. Finally one gave out and I put in a Walmart “Value Power” battery and drove it another couple years before I was forced by COVID disaster to sell the truck. Thinking back I can’t remember if I ever removed the battery cables a single time in those 14 years. Super reliable vehicle, I truly miss her every day….
Awesome mechanic and dad jokes. Can't ask for more😆🙏
I did this job a couple years ago... was great to see you do it. I am an escapee from cuomostan (ny) and I almost think that Illinois rust is every bit as good as cuomostan rust.
Slightly below,average for NY
These repairs are epic. I feel for ya’ every time you drag some rusty beast into your shop.
Me too! Guy must be issued his own tetanus shots.
Stumbled across your video. Brought back memories. I’ve done lots of those pumps and the in tank lift pump conversions.