@@DuRoehre90210 They left a couple relevant ones off. Mexican Secretary of the Interior Juan Camilo Mouriño killed in 2008 in a Leer jet crash. Many were sure it was going to end up being drug cartels who killed him. Instead it was fake pilots and jet wash.
I think the video of Bill Clinton laughing (and then abruptly stopping when he noticed a camera) while leaving Ron Brown's funeral caused a lot of suspicion around his crash.
I remember when this plane crash happened. & I remember the funeral for Ron Brown. Press was filming Bill Clinton leaving the funeral with his best friend at the time, Bill Clinton was laughing as if he'd just seen comedy film. When Clinton saw press camera he immediately put on play acting, fake mourning sadness. It was pathetic show exposing Bill Clinton's true nature.
@@kathrynsmith3417 Stop with the conspiratorial nonsense! The whole "Ron Brown was murdered by Clinton" is an utterly ridiculous conspiracy theory. Having to resort to conspiracies to fit a political narrative is the mark of political indoctrination! And it doesn't matter if the beliefs are left, right, or center!
@kathrynsmith3417 I mean who really knows. At friends and family funerals I tend to be laughing while making dark humor jokes as that's always been my way to deal with the situation. Not a fan of Clinton but without knowing what was being said or next to them for all I know the same was happening there
Here in Brazil, in the countryside, there is custom called "Drinking the Dead". When a man die, His friends come together to share funny Memories, jokes and, obviously, drink heavily. Is kind of a way to pay homage to a dear friend.
@@antoniofernandesmarchetti1097Well yes, thats like at a Catholic wake when you visit the funeral home afew days before the burial. Irish wakes are known for their drinking and story telling. But nobodys laughing so heartily after the actual funeral.
Regarding the recording (I call it 'supposed' recording) of the possible conversation between factions of a group that shot down the plane of the UN Secretary General, I'm amazed nobody even bothered to check out the validity of this claim. The person at the listening post was stationed and working at monitoring in Crete. The crash occurred in Rhodesia. The distance is over 4,500 miles. Just the mere distance tends to invalidate the claim. Add the fact that the line of sight distance for such radio signals to travel over ends in under 100 miles. Plus if these were close proximity transceivers, there is no way the weak signals could have travelled that huge distance. And you don't need a 50K watt transmitter to communicate with an accomplice in the local area. Yes, atmospheric ducting, and other forms of radio skip, could have allowed the signal to travel over great distances, possibly enough to make the route. But then we have to consider that the listening post, 4,500 miles away, figured what frequency to listen to, the type of modulated transmission , at the right time and somehow be aware that it was coming from Rhodesia. And THEN wait 40 years to mention it. Sorry, not buying it.
The radio's, as you say, can travel unexpectedly at times, and for the reasons mentioned. In the late 80's, just around the time of USSR's breakdown, I was in command of 3 low level observation posts on the northwest corner of Zealand in Denmark. During operations and excersizes, we routinely heard transmissions from observation posts in the other end of the country that we were not supposed to be able to hear, but it was so routine and we knew why, so we didn't think anything of it in other terms than signal security. Then, on one occasion actually lasting hours, we suddenly heard signal traffic in English on our radio. Clear as day, and in a strength suggesting that they were nearby. And that simply couldn't be as we knew there were no British or other outside nations forces in Denmark that particular day. In a period of dull inactivity we listened to the transmissions and realised that they were from a British RAF ground unit (they used the same kind of callsigns as us for ease of contact during international operations/excersizes within NATO), And knowing that the RAF around those days had a major excersize going in RAF valley in Wales, we soon discovered that we were actually listening in on that excersize. Only, this shouldn't have been possible because the Brits used basically the same type of radio with the same line of sight capability as ours, only with a different company producing it, so that they, like us, shouldn't even be able to reach the other side of the British main island. But they were broadcasting to us on the eastern half of Denmark somehow. And it wasn't just the post I was on. It was all 3 posts that I controlled and several others distributed across Zealand as well. We didn't try to reach them by calling them on the radio for obvious reasons, but we are pretty sure that they were aware of our presence on the frequency because at some point one station asked their HQ station if there were foreign stations involved in the excersize, and when given a negative on that reported that they could here transmissions in a foreign language from time to time and that the foreign stations used callsigns similar to their own. This was acknowledged and then told to be just ignored as allied NATO forces were also known to be excersizing that day. And to my personal knowledge, we were the only other NATO force using the frequency routinely to be on the air that day. But given that there are something just short of 1.200 kilometers between my station and RAF valley, hearing each other with radio equipment supposed to be local/line of sight only is a pretty tall order to accomplish. I never found out just how the atmospheric conditions from my position to RAF valley were when it comes to radio transmissions, but to this day I am still curious about them, because they have to have been very special. And I can't help but wonder who else might have heard both sides and from where/how far. I will never know, but the thought is interesting and also sombering from a military point of view.
@Jens-Viper-Nobel I know in Alaska we had a radio hooked up for communication outside the Bush & we could pick up Japan and many other places simply by wiring a radio (normal radio in the 80s) to a tree & running the wire to another tree. It was always easy to pick up other areas far away to listen to them. We couldn't understand them as we were just trying to listen to what was known as the Caribou Clatters. A method of family & friends sending messages to loved ones.
On top of there being no physical evidence of foul play. On other planes, you could see on the wreckage where the impact zone was, there would also be bullets or pieces of a rocket at the crash site
This crush took place in my country zambia on the copperbelt province in a town called Ndola, there's a statue built on the crash site and i have been there several times
What about the survivor of the UN Secretary-General's crash who said there was an explosion before the crash? One of the participants said, "He doesn't understand how important his testimony would be." How could there be an explosion before hitting the ground, unless it was hit with something that caused the explosion?
May have been an initial contact with trees. Fog can be so thick that from inside it would be next to impossible to see trees. And any tree strike at 135mph in an aluminum can probably would sound like an explosion😢
or maybe something did blow up. engines ripping off or perhaps the structure of the plane because of enourmeous stresses. Jimmy's trees are as good a cause for an explosion as any
Regarding the crash that killed Dag Hammarskjöld, how likely is it that the charts made for that airport were deliberately wrong and omitted certain hills?
I'm sure the families of the others killed in those crashes think that their loved ones were every bit as important as those "VIPs." I really wish they'd come up with another term, like WKP (Well Known Person) or something like that.
When it comes to vip's, it is the vip's who put pressure on pilots to get them to where they want to go, and the worst passengers on a military aircraft are self-centered government officials who treat military personnel as their slaves.
@@mikewolf-x6t I never failed on that part. No vip, with or without stripes did influence my crew not me. My planes fly as means of transportation. it’s my crew to decide what happens or not. Having said that , many others like me operating a fleet of jets think the sam way. “ we don’t care how your are , that way we can take care”
The 3 most useless things in aviation. The sky above you, the runway behind you, and empty space in your fuel tanks. There are 2 accident causes that are 100% avoidable and happen more than they should. Continued VFR into IMC and not properly handling your fuel situation. I still remember a man who lost his aircraft about 30 years ago. He went down because of fuel starvation NOT exhaustion. Thankfully today he is still breathing.
Listening to this, regarding the military aircraft. I disagree with installing cockpit voice and data recorders on military aircraft. During war, a downed plane to provide too much data to the enemy.
I would differ between military aircraft in general and those used to fly government passenger, as the latter would never fly in a war zone. Should a very rare situation arise, where a government official needed to be flown into a war zone, there would be special precautions anyway, and 1 of those could be to disengage the CVR/FDR or fly in an aircraft without such. Remember, when that crash happened, there was no longer a war going on. Not that it wouldve made a difference here, only made the investigation easier.
There's already a lot of things that can only be done on combat missions, like carrying weapons, vs you can't do that while training or flying in the US. I don't see why they shouldn't be required to use FDR and Voice recorder on non-combat missions especially within the US. They can easily be disabled or removed when deployed for combat missions.
@@lagresomadsl Well, in the first video Dag Hammarskjöld was the head of the UN. At that time it had much more world influence. He was working on peace talks which he had done many times before all over the world. He received a Nobel peace prize for his work. He is still remembered as an incredible man. They flew at night on an irregular path to avoid being shot down by those who did not want peace.
@@lagresomadsl Because they have the leverage power to change millions of destinies. That's an easy one. You'll have to be more inventive if you want to ask a difficult question.
12:48 "Forty years later, in 2011....." Commentator needs primary-school maths. That's FIFTY years. I vividly recall the news headlines about Dag Hamarskjold's plane crash in 1961, when I was just a youth. Back then they sometimes included a grainy wirephoto to major stories like this.
After watching many air accidents, I agree that often it's the pilot's (including private jets) determination to get to the destination inspite of adverse conditions.
At 1:45 When the pilot said "Ndola" I was like, there's no way.... then at 1:55 the narrator said "British colony of Northern Rhodesia" and I gasp. Why? because I realized they were talking about my birth country, Zambia. Formally known as Northern Rhodesia and I was born in Ndola.
How did they calculate the 6000' "at the location where the plane crashed"? Yeah, they did a 3⁰ back calculation from the airport. But that's not how non precision approaches are flown. Where was the 5000msa on the chart? I didn't see it. The approach plate you keep showing shows a procedure turn at or above 4160' and the crash was at 4290. They were allowed to be at 4290.
Why do they continue to use sea level as a reference when the crew needs to know how high above the ground they are?? They continue to say the aircraft should have been at 6000 feet. But that is ABOVE SEA LEVEL---not the ground.
@@BoredBrainMy father, my uncles, my grandfather and my great-grandfather all flew for various branches of the military. I love your posts, not just because I can follow it but it takes me back to listening to them chew the fat, digging up bones and having major pi$$taking going on at my uncle's place up in Napa. Thank you for the reminder! Clear skies!!
Why would Dag's plane be the only one ever that crashes in this situation though? Why are there no other night flight crashes from other planes using the same maps?
Its pointless. There may not have been too many flights there at that time n location. But for the charts to remain univestigated for 50 years is impossible.
@@indianfan1029 The airport was built in 1940. The first thing that is done before any planes can land on a terrain surrounded by hills is to make accurate maps. It would make ZERO sense to map only a part of the hills but "forget" other ones. Sorry that story is completely cock'n'bull, and it gets repeated and repeated over and over again as if it were the holy gospel. Halleluljah. How gullible people can be !
That’s two govt officials killed because the pilots had inaccurate charts. The first one, a hill near the airport wasn’t shown on the map. The second, the minimum altitude on approach was wrong. Not saying it was intentional, but it’s sure an easy/ier way to kill somebody. A bomb, tampering, shooting down can all be discovered and result in a big mess afterwards of accusations, cover-up attempts, etc.
Oh, really? There was laughter at my dad's memorial service and I can assure you we were all heartbroken to lose him. You don't know what was being said or anything else. And you know what they say about "assume."
@@janvandusen5700 If he would have been held accountable for 1/4 of everything he’s done , he would have been hung live on pay per view 30 years ago. Just more proof if you have the msm covering for you due to the (D) beside your name , you will never not only not be held accountable but you’ll get richer after the White House. Can you imagine if he would had received the Trump treatment, instead he and Epstein will never be held accountable t
So 2 Airplanes go down do the pilots having the wrongs maps of the land lay out. Yeap nothing to see here.. really how dumb can you be. Who gave them the maps and how could the lay out be that wrong
Dag's plane was shot down , you have made misleading comments , by omitting radio messages from a fighter aircraft in the area . Nor did you mention the bullet holes that WERE FOUND !
Indeed. Bodies were riddled with bullets. They were dismissed by a theory that the guards on board had weapons which were ignited by the crash. Don't think so.
As a private pilot I've long been puzzled by the use of "above sea level" altitudes used when the concern SHOULD be--"Height above the GROUND". The use of above sea level business is what caused the Thunderbirds crash.
How is a pilot to know at every second his height above the ground? These planes do not have such equipment. GPS for aviation did not always exist. The Thunderbirds involved in the crash in 1982 were flying in VFR conditions, so the lead pilot had visual reference to the ground at all times. These jets fly very fast, and the lead pilot may very well have misjudged the altitude necessary to pull out of the maneuver (their target ending altitude was to be very close to the ground; not much margin for error), or as the Air Force concluded, his flight controls jammed. The other pilots behind and to the side are trained to look only at the lead pilot's plane not the ground.
Why would you be puzzled by it given that a standard (non radar) altimeter can only work relative to a known constant value at any given ATIS report interval - that being air pressure at sea level?
The only issue I see is that the VIP passengers who perished were afforded search and investigation hours that no low hanging fruit would receive. It's why families never find out what happened. The government gets to "tell the public what happened" and we all know how they always tell the truth 🤦♂️
Well explained. Three different air crashes. Please make a video on the Pakistan international airlines jet crashing into a hill, while approaching Kathmandu airport in Nepal in the late nineties .
I remember the Ron Brown one, and AvWeb posted a copy of the Jeppeson approach plate. It definitely said “Not authorized for 1 ADF”. These guys tried to create their own instrument approach pulling it out of their asses and paid the price.
I’m confused here. What’s the point of skipping fuel on a plane? You still use the same amount of fuel for the distance you’re covering. If a plane has enough fuel for 100km that’s what it has fuel for, skipping fuel won’t change the fact that to go a further 25km you need equivalent fuel for that. Whether you pour it or not you’ll need more fuel to reach that destination. How’s that a logical thing to do? I can delay pouring gas in my car today but to get to work tomorrow I’ll still need to pour fuel so whether I pour it today after work and go nowhere or pour it tomorrow morning I’ll still need fuel to get to work🤷🏿♂️…how is not buying fuel saving money? If your pour more than you need that’s not money wasted because you’ll use it the following day.
I think you're missing the point here. The plane was at the limit of its range on this flight (1,600kms) They needed to make a stop for refuelling which meant losing time and added complications so they thought -lets see if we can make it in one.. it will probably be ok.
Extra fuel is extra weight and increases fuel consumption. They only carry enough for the anticipated flight and to reach an alternate airport in an emergency.
There was an airliner coming up from south america to new york and they did not report how low they were on fuel They were carrying drugs on that plane So they did not want to declare an emergency. The controllers knew this but they wanted him to declare an emergency even though they knew he was little and fuel
Total BS. The INS was newer than the ADF by 50 years. The ADD is old tec. . You don’t follow the Morris code, you look at the needle pointing to figure out the course. What a horrible presentation.
29:30 You think as a part owner, his life is worth more than a few bucks. The more I watch these videos, the more I am glad I don't fly (or ride in cars).
They were using “doctored” instrument approach charts (approach plates, as we in the trade call them), critical approach bearings and altitudes were changed to allow the crew to fly the aircraft into the terrain, if the procedure was flown as it was depicted on the “doctored” chart… Many of us older pilots who are familiar with this “accident” call it being “Ron Browned”…
@@joer5571 So who would have made the chart? (Dag Hamershaws plane-sp) If they went to all the trouble not to tell anyone and take extra precautions-it seems they would have checked the chart to make sure it was accurate. Also- what were they going to do to make the Congo less hostile by flying there? Just wondering…?
@@angelaowen1513 I don’t know much about the Dag crash in The Congo- I did see a video a few years ago about it that carried the idea that they were shot down by a fighter jet from a neighboring country… I was just commenting on the 737 crash that killed Ron Brown, who was the US Secretary of Commerce at the time, 1996… There were allegations that someone had altered (and reprinted) the instrument navigation and approach charts for Dubrovnik, Croatia, removing the terrain elevations and warnings, and changed the instrument approach course bearings, which if flown the way the altered procedure they had in hand would result in flying the aircraft into the terrain, which they did… I’ve been an airline Captain for forty five years, so I’m familiar with how all of that works…
@@joer5571 Oh! I thought the one about the mountain that was not on the pilots charts was the Hamershaw crash. Anyway- just wondered who would have been responsible for making the chart for the pilots. 🙂
Ya know.....if the channel isn't coming up with alot of new material? That means alot less people are dying in plane crashes. Do you think that might be a good thing? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I'll just point out the obvious: if I wanted to down an aircraft in a remote part of the world and not get blamed for it in pre-computer-insta 1961, I'd make sure an approach chart left out a hill or two.
it is a wrong explanation for how ADF beacon works... in the case of Dubrovnik crash. Sound is a morse code idenrifier of a beacon , but there is an instrument with a needle pointing in the direction of the bacon. When you fly over the first one you switch to the frequency of the next one which is usually a few miles from the airport. It was clearly a pilots mistake, probably because ADF is an old technology... its always sad.
So !many of these tragic and horrific accidents that have happened over the years happen AT NIGHT! What is so bl0od y important about getting places that forces airlines to regularly operate when they CAN'T SEE! How many of these would not have killed all of those people if they were able to see the hiold or mountains, orient themselves in space, etc. WHY is it considered safe to fly at night? don't even get me started on the weather!! How many ice and electrical storms are flown into, with tragic consequences, when these flights should not not have been allowed to fly!!
Private flight should not be done in hilly conditions at night? Now who provided the defective Charts? 50 years latter and NSA still plays the Secret card? This is at CONGO ??
26:28 We know how to stay safe and how to not run out of gas in the air... You guys didn't do a single thing.... What can you do when you're otta gas???? Get out and push the airplane to a gas station??? You run out of gas? It's over for you! Unless a miracle happens...
ELES NÃO FIZERAM NADA PRA EVITAR QUE A GASOLINA NÃO ACABASSE, ENTENDE?!... ELES SABIAM QUE ESTAVAM TRANSPORTANDO JOGADORES DE FUTEBOL, JORNALISTAS, COMISSÃO TÉCNICA, PORQUÊ NÃO TOMARAM MAIS CUIDADO COM SEUS PASSAGEIROS, AO INVÉS DE DEIXAR O COMBUSTÍVEL ACABAR, SÓ PRA ECONOMIZAR UNS "MILHARES" DE DÓLARES?! QUER DIZER: "PERCO A VIDA, MAS NÃO A GRANA?!" SABE QUANTAS VIDAS FORAM CEIFADAS? A DELE MESMA, E MAIS 70 VIDAS, ENTRE ESSAS VIDAS CEIFADAS, 19 JOGADORES DENTRE OS 22 JOGADORES DA CHAPECOENSE, QUE VIAJAVAM A BORDO DAQUELE AVIÃO. E ATÉ HOJE, O TIME NÃO VOLTOU A SER AQUELE TIME DE 2016...
Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, then Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, then Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, then Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, ....
Why not start from day one with fuel tanks filled to capacity, and then you only need to replace what you used and never have to worry about running out of fuel. Shouldn't that be safety law number one.
@@kenotube3160 The cost of an airplane worth millions, plus the cost of the millions from lawsuits, lawyers and the increase in insurance premiums, because you ran out of fuel. You would think keeping your fuel tanks filled to capacity would be a cheaper form of insurance, not to mention the lives that would not be lost, because your plane ran out of fuel. But that's how my mind works and I understand bean counters don't see it my way, but the first time a bean counter loses a loved one because the plane owned by the company they work ran out of fuel......they might come to my way of thinking.
I understand your way of thinking. But the airlines would pass the cost along to the customers and unless it was required by regulations, no airline would do it willingly. Commercial aircraft running out of fuel is incredibly rare. They’re required to carry enough for the trip plus reserves in case they need to go to an alternate airport, plus an extra percentage, as discussed in this video. In this case, the captain was an owner in the airline and thought he could cheat to save money, which killed almost everyone on the plane.
Excess fuel weight would make the plane too heavy to land safely. Enough fuel to reach the destination, plus a reserve to reach alternate airport(s) and accommodate delays is all you want.
Not shocked that there were no voice recorder boxes on these VIP planes. Why. So if any of these VIP start getting a little difficult, then the powers can get rid of them without who actually killed these VIPs
Have you ever found yourself researching more about a particular air crash after watching its Mayday Air Disaster episode?
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Yes, and Ron Brown was definitely assassinated
Yes, indeed.
Yes!
“Physics of flying ain’t gonna change just because someone important is in the back of the airplane.” aptly said.
Or for that matter, who's flying the plane.
Yeah. They should have mentioned Smolensk.
According to the Main Character Handbook, bad things only happen to other people.
@@DuRoehre90210 They left a couple relevant ones off. Mexican Secretary of the Interior Juan Camilo Mouriño killed in 2008 in a Leer jet crash. Many were sure it was going to end up being drug cartels who killed him. Instead it was fake pilots and jet wash.
@@DuRoehre90210There is an episode about that catastrophe too
My heart breaks for the Chapecoense player because I could tell in his voice how devastating the crash and losing his teammates was for him
😂 >t all depends upon what your definition of Is Is ? 😮
Thank you for sharing this story. Rest In Peace to all that have lost their life. My Condolences to the family and friends that knew them.
My son played basketball at Cedarville University (2022 grad). A knew a little about the tornado, but this was a fantastic report. Thank you!
I think the video of Bill Clinton laughing (and then abruptly stopping when he noticed a camera) while leaving Ron Brown's funeral caused a lot of suspicion around his crash.
I remember when this plane crash happened. & I remember the funeral for Ron Brown. Press was filming Bill Clinton leaving the funeral with his best friend at the time, Bill Clinton was laughing as if he'd just seen comedy film. When Clinton saw press camera he immediately put on play acting, fake mourning sadness. It was pathetic show exposing Bill Clinton's true nature.
@@kathrynsmith3417 Stop with the conspiratorial nonsense! The whole "Ron Brown was murdered by Clinton" is an utterly ridiculous conspiracy theory. Having to resort to conspiracies to fit a political narrative is the mark of political indoctrination! And it doesn't matter if the beliefs are left, right, or center!
@kathrynsmith3417 I mean who really knows. At friends and family funerals I tend to be laughing while making dark humor jokes as that's always been my way to deal with the situation. Not a fan of Clinton but without knowing what was being said or next to them for all I know the same was happening there
Here in Brazil, in the countryside, there is custom called "Drinking the Dead". When a man die, His friends come together to share funny Memories, jokes and, obviously, drink heavily. Is kind of a way to pay homage to a dear friend.
@@antoniofernandesmarchetti1097Well yes, thats like at a Catholic wake when you visit the funeral home afew days before the burial. Irish wakes are known for their drinking and story telling. But nobodys laughing so heartily after the actual funeral.
When I was piloting an aircraft , the VIP was ME.
What a shame 🫠
Planes do not fly without pilots... :)
@@brucegoodall3794who was the vip on kobe Bryant's plane? Exactly
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Exactly 👍
Hard to believe it could take ten years for an aircraft to crash.
you just have to fly slow!!
Slow motion.
Regarding the recording (I call it 'supposed' recording) of the possible conversation between factions of a group that shot down the plane of the UN Secretary General, I'm amazed nobody even bothered to check out the validity of this claim. The person at the listening post was stationed and working at monitoring in Crete. The crash occurred in Rhodesia. The distance is over 4,500 miles. Just the mere distance tends to invalidate the claim. Add the fact that the line of sight distance for such radio signals to travel over ends in under 100 miles. Plus if these were close proximity transceivers, there is no way the weak signals could have travelled that huge distance. And you don't need a 50K watt transmitter to communicate with an accomplice in the local area. Yes, atmospheric ducting, and other forms of radio skip, could have allowed the signal to travel over great distances, possibly enough to make the route. But then we have to consider that the listening post, 4,500 miles away, figured what frequency to listen to, the type of modulated transmission , at the right time and somehow be aware that it was coming from Rhodesia. And THEN wait 40 years to mention it. Sorry, not buying it.
The radio's, as you say, can travel unexpectedly at times, and for the reasons mentioned. In the late 80's, just around the time of USSR's breakdown, I was in command of 3 low level observation posts on the northwest corner of Zealand in Denmark. During operations and excersizes, we routinely heard transmissions from observation posts in the other end of the country that we were not supposed to be able to hear, but it was so routine and we knew why, so we didn't think anything of it in other terms than signal security.
Then, on one occasion actually lasting hours, we suddenly heard signal traffic in English on our radio. Clear as day, and in a strength suggesting that they were nearby. And that simply couldn't be as we knew there were no British or other outside nations forces in Denmark that particular day.
In a period of dull inactivity we listened to the transmissions and realised that they were from a British RAF ground unit (they used the same kind of callsigns as us for ease of contact during international operations/excersizes within NATO), And knowing that the RAF around those days had a major excersize going in RAF valley in Wales, we soon discovered that we were actually listening in on that excersize. Only, this shouldn't have been possible because the Brits used basically the same type of radio with the same line of sight capability as ours, only with a different company producing it, so that they, like us, shouldn't even be able to reach the other side of the British main island. But they were broadcasting to us on the eastern half of Denmark somehow. And it wasn't just the post I was on. It was all 3 posts that I controlled and several others distributed across Zealand as well.
We didn't try to reach them by calling them on the radio for obvious reasons, but we are pretty sure that they were aware of our presence on the frequency because at some point one station asked their HQ station if there were foreign stations involved in the excersize, and when given a negative on that reported that they could here transmissions in a foreign language from time to time and that the foreign stations used callsigns similar to their own. This was acknowledged and then told to be just ignored as allied NATO forces were also known to be excersizing that day. And to my personal knowledge, we were the only other NATO force using the frequency routinely to be on the air that day.
But given that there are something just short of 1.200 kilometers between my station and RAF valley, hearing each other with radio equipment supposed to be local/line of sight only is a pretty tall order to accomplish.
I never found out just how the atmospheric conditions from my position to RAF valley were when it comes to radio transmissions, but to this day I am still curious about them, because they have to have been very special. And I can't help but wonder who else might have heard both sides and from where/how far. I will never know, but the thought is interesting and also sombering from a military point of view.
@@Jens-Viper-Nobel Fascinating story!!
@Jens-Viper-Nobel I know in Alaska we had a radio hooked up for communication outside the Bush & we could pick up Japan and many other places simply by wiring a radio (normal radio in the 80s) to a tree & running the wire to another tree. It was always easy to pick up other areas far away to listen to them. We couldn't understand them as we were just trying to listen to what was known as the Caribou Clatters. A method of family & friends sending messages to loved ones.
On top of there being no physical evidence of foul play. On other planes, you could see on the wreckage where the impact zone was, there would also be bullets or pieces of a rocket at the crash site
I suppose it is not impossible they had a receiver within normal range which in turn fed to a shortwave transmitter to relay the signal to Crete.
This crush took place in my country zambia on the copperbelt province in a town called Ndola, there's a statue built on the crash site and i have been there several times
Each is such a tragedy!
A VIP? That would be anyone on board!
It probably could have been stated better by saying a celebrity, or professional player, etc.
I mean Dag and the others are Swedish so they certainly don't think of themselves as a VIP that's for damn sure
What about the survivor of the UN Secretary-General's crash who said there was an explosion before the crash? One of the participants said, "He doesn't understand how important his testimony would be." How could there be an explosion before hitting the ground, unless it was hit with something that caused the explosion?
May have been an initial contact with trees. Fog can be so thick that from inside it would be next to impossible to see trees. And any tree strike at 135mph in an aluminum can probably would sound like an explosion😢
@@57Jimmy Great point!
or maybe something did blow up. engines ripping off or perhaps the structure of the plane because of enourmeous stresses. Jimmy's trees are as good a cause for an explosion as any
Regarding the crash that killed Dag Hammarskjöld, how likely is it that the charts made for that airport were deliberately wrong and omitted certain hills?
I'm sure the families of the others killed in those crashes think that their loved ones were every bit as important as those "VIPs." I really wish they'd come up with another term, like WKP (Well Known Person) or something like that.
No one knows what a WKP is, but they know what a VIP is. More clicks. Maybe replace the I with influential.?
Every life is important, not just those in high ranking positions.
When it comes to vip's, it is the vip's who put pressure on pilots to get them to where they want to go, and the worst passengers on a military aircraft are self-centered government officials who treat military personnel as their slaves.
Is that’s so?
@MonkPetite he's absolutely right.
@@mikewolf-x6t I never failed on that part. No vip, with or without stripes did influence my crew not me.
My planes fly as means of transportation. it’s my crew to decide what happens or not.
Having said that , many others like me operating a fleet of jets think the sam way.
“ we don’t care how your are , that way we can take care”
Fifty years isn’t even the span of a lifetime. I can remember many times beyond the fifty year mark and I am “only” 75.
The 3 most useless things in aviation. The sky above you, the runway behind you, and empty space in your fuel tanks. There are 2 accident causes that are 100% avoidable and happen more than they should. Continued VFR into IMC and not properly handling your fuel situation. I still remember a man who lost his aircraft about 30 years ago. He went down because of fuel starvation NOT exhaustion. Thankfully today he is still breathing.
Listening to this, regarding the military aircraft. I disagree with installing cockpit voice and data recorders on military aircraft. During war, a downed plane to provide too much data to the enemy.
I would differ between military aircraft in general and those used to fly government passenger, as the latter would never fly in a war zone. Should a very rare situation arise, where a government official needed to be flown into a war zone, there would be special precautions anyway, and 1 of those could be to disengage the CVR/FDR or fly in an aircraft without such.
Remember, when that crash happened, there was no longer a war going on. Not that it wouldve made a difference here, only made the investigation easier.
There's already a lot of things that can only be done on combat missions, like carrying weapons, vs you can't do that while training or flying in the US. I don't see why they shouldn't be required to use FDR and Voice recorder on non-combat missions especially within the US. They can easily be disabled or removed when deployed for combat missions.
Why not fly into an unknown airport during the daylight visual conditions with such an important passenger
The secretary's plane was shot down. I believe the CIA, mainly Dulles had a hand in this one.
Why all the European carriers never had a problem to safely land at Dubrovnik?
And why is the political elite and their organisations persons important?
@@lagresomadsl Well, in the first video Dag Hammarskjöld was the head of the UN. At that time it had much more world influence. He was working on peace talks which he had done many times before all over the world. He received a Nobel peace prize for his work. He is still remembered as an incredible man. They flew at night on an irregular path to avoid being shot down by those who did not want peace.
@@lagresomadsl Because they have the leverage power to change millions of destinies. That's an easy one. You'll have to be more inventive if you want to ask a difficult question.
12:48 "Forty years later, in 2011....." Commentator needs primary-school maths. That's FIFTY years. I vividly recall the news headlines about Dag Hamarskjold's plane crash in 1961, when I was just a youth. Back then they sometimes included a grainy wirephoto to major stories like this.
After watching many air accidents, I agree that often it's the pilot's (including private jets) determination to get to the destination inspite of adverse conditions.
At 1:45 When the pilot said "Ndola" I was like, there's no way.... then at 1:55 the narrator said "British colony of Northern Rhodesia" and I gasp. Why? because I realized they were talking about my birth country, Zambia. Formally known as Northern Rhodesia and I was born in Ndola.
Yep that was 19601/1961
Oh wow, I never knew that! Are you Rhodesian?
Major copper production in that area. Seen trucks from Ndola carrying copper ingots on the N3, South Africa, heading to Durban's Port.
First thing I wondered about was an incorrect altimeter setting.
How did they calculate the 6000' "at the location where the plane crashed"? Yeah, they did a 3⁰ back calculation from the airport. But that's not how non precision approaches are flown. Where was the 5000msa on the chart? I didn't see it. The approach plate you keep showing shows a procedure turn at or above 4160' and the crash was at 4290. They were allowed to be at 4290.
Why do they continue to use sea level as a reference when the crew needs to know how high above the ground they are?? They continue to say the aircraft should have been at 6000 feet. But that is ABOVE SEA LEVEL---not the ground.
@@BoredBrainMy father, my uncles, my grandfather and my great-grandfather all flew for various branches of the military. I love your posts, not just because I can follow it but it takes me back to listening to them chew the fat, digging up bones and having major pi$$taking going on at my uncle's place up in Napa.
Thank you for the reminder! Clear skies!!
Why would Dag's plane be the only one ever that crashes in this situation though? Why are there no other night flight crashes from other planes using the same maps?
Its pointless. There may not have been too many flights there at that time n location. But for the charts to remain univestigated for 50 years is impossible.
@@indianfan1029 The airport was built in 1940. The first thing that is done before any planes can land on a terrain surrounded by hills is to make accurate maps. It would make ZERO sense to map only a part of the hills but "forget" other ones. Sorry that story is completely cock'n'bull, and it gets repeated and repeated over and over again as if it were the holy gospel. Halleluljah. How gullible people can be !
RIP Dag Hammarskjold.
Dag Hammarsjold's book "Markings" is well worth reading.
... Dag Hammarskjold Junior High School.
Why wouldn't the hills be on the chart? That is ridiculous.
Spot on. But hey, people are gullible. They believe in "magic" bullets too.
@@Retroscoop And why did this not happen to numerous other flights?
That’s two govt officials killed because the pilots had inaccurate charts. The first one, a hill near the airport wasn’t shown on the map. The second, the minimum altitude on approach was wrong. Not saying it was intentional, but it’s sure an easy/ier way to kill somebody. A bomb, tampering, shooting down can all be discovered and result in a big mess afterwards of accusations, cover-up attempts, etc.
Ridiculous you don't save money by skipping on fuel because the fuel is always there for the next flight
Mr. Todd Curtis must be a robot. I have never seen a regular person beeing so expressionless.
I still remember Bill C. Walking out for the burial service laffing and joking until he sees the cameras.
Smirk on his face at live tells u everything u need ta know.
Oh, really? There was laughter at my dad's memorial service and I can assure you we were all heartbroken to lose him. You don't know what was being said or anything else. And you know what they say about "assume."
Should watch the documentary about the boys on the tracks...and how that was covered up to get him in office.
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If he would have been held accountable for 1/4 of everything he’s done , he would have been hung live on pay per view 30 years ago. Just more proof if you have the msm covering for you due to the (D) beside your name , you will never not only not be held accountable but you’ll get richer after the White House. Can you imagine if he would had received the Trump treatment, instead he and Epstein will never be held accountable t
@@janvandusen5700 watch the video of it.. it wasn't like that.
At 23:55 "The fuel level indicators are at zero" On the BAe146 the fuel gauges are electrically driven and always read zero unless powered on.
So 2 Airplanes go down do the pilots having the wrongs maps of the land lay out. Yeap nothing to see here.. really how dumb can you be. Who gave them the maps and how could the lay out be that wrong
Sounds like the Magic Bullet....
So sad in all three incidents.
Dag's plane was shot down , you have made misleading comments , by omitting radio messages from a fighter aircraft in the area . Nor did you mention the bullet holes that WERE FOUND !
it was mentioned in the full episode.
Indeed. Bodies were riddled with bullets. They were dismissed by a theory that the guards on board had weapons which were ignited by the crash. Don't think so.
As a private pilot I've long been puzzled by the use of "above sea level" altitudes used when the concern SHOULD be--"Height above the GROUND". The use of above sea level business is what caused the Thunderbirds crash.
How is a pilot to know at every second his height above the ground? These planes do not have such equipment. GPS for aviation did not always exist. The Thunderbirds involved in the crash in 1982 were flying in VFR conditions, so the lead pilot had visual reference to the ground at all times. These jets fly very fast, and the lead pilot may very well have misjudged the altitude necessary to pull out of the maneuver (their target ending altitude was to be very close to the ground; not much margin for error), or as the Air Force concluded, his flight controls jammed. The other pilots behind and to the side are trained to look only at the lead pilot's plane not the ground.
Why would you be puzzled by it given that a standard (non radar) altimeter can only work relative to a known constant value at any given ATIS report interval - that being air pressure at sea level?
This is why you don't put a whole football team on the same plane. Or any amount of important people.
Are there full episodes of each case in this video? I’d rather watch full episodes than this
The only issue I see is that the VIP passengers who perished were afforded search and investigation hours that no low hanging fruit would receive. It's why families never find out what happened. The government gets to "tell the public what happened" and we all know how they always tell the truth 🤦♂️
3:45
Historically accurate map, good job.
We have all run out of fuel in our life times just how it is
Jeez, the Bolivian airline carried out truly scary practices.
Well explained. Three different air crashes. Please make a video on the Pakistan international airlines jet crashing into a hill, while approaching Kathmandu airport in Nepal in the late nineties .
It's already an episode. It's in Disney+
Not my job to investigate the crash,I'm just watching other people's mistakes lol
It's not that they crashed with someone high profile people. It's that happened 3 times..You know the odds of that happening?
Makes me want to just give up on flying all together ...😰😰😵😵 it's risky, always has been, risky.😲😲😡😡
I wonder if they will mention the 45 cal. hole in Ron Browns head , he was murdered .
He wanted "world peace". The country of forever wars did not. He lost.
He was arkansided 😉
Yeah fucking right, russia is the worst country on earth
I remember the Ron Brown one, and AvWeb posted a copy of the Jeppeson approach plate. It definitely said “Not authorized for 1 ADF”. These guys tried to create their own instrument approach pulling it out of their asses and paid the price.
It’s called “flying jungle jepps” basically a self made approach
There is a longer documentary about the "crash" of Dag Hammersjold and the politics and perpetrators behind it.
"That I may be... firmer, simpler, quieter, warmer." -- Dag Hammarskjøld
I’m confused here. What’s the point of skipping fuel on a plane? You still use the same amount of fuel for the distance you’re covering. If a plane has enough fuel for 100km that’s what it has fuel for, skipping fuel won’t change the fact that to go a further 25km you need equivalent fuel for that. Whether you pour it or not you’ll need more fuel to reach that destination. How’s that a logical thing to do? I can delay pouring gas in my car today but to get to work tomorrow I’ll still need to pour fuel so whether I pour it today after work and go nowhere or pour it tomorrow morning I’ll still need fuel to get to work🤷🏿♂️…how is not buying fuel saving money? If your pour more than you need that’s not money wasted because you’ll use it the following day.
I think you're missing the point here. The plane was at the limit of its range on this flight (1,600kms) They needed to make a stop for refuelling which meant losing time and added complications so they thought -lets see if we can make it in one.. it will probably be ok.
Extra fuel is extra weight and increases fuel consumption. They only carry enough for the anticipated flight and to reach an alternate airport in an emergency.
That Avro is a cool looking plane.
There was an airliner coming up from south america to new york and they did not report how low they were on fuel They were carrying drugs on that plane So they did not want to declare an emergency. The controllers knew this but they wanted him to declare an emergency even though they knew he was little and fuel
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Yes. The Congo was a cold war battle. The US, the French and English conspired to kill him. The survivor was also murdered.
Well, at least he got a plaza in NYC named after him.😮
Not anymore.....he was canceled by the lefties.
I wonder what Ron knew.
Love this vios thank you.
0:28
me, on every flight
Isn't 2011 almost 50 years after 1962's reports, instead of 40 years?
I agree fifty years
Total BS. The INS was newer than the ADF by 50 years. The ADD is old tec. . You don’t follow the Morris code, you look at the needle pointing to figure out the course. What a horrible presentation.
29:30 You think as a part owner, his life is worth more than a few bucks. The more I watch these videos, the more I am glad I don't fly (or ride in cars).
Sad events.
In the 737 crash I believe the pilots were homing to airport with the ADF and not tracking a specific course.
They were using “doctored” instrument approach charts (approach plates, as we in the trade call them), critical approach bearings and altitudes were changed to allow the crew to fly the aircraft into the terrain, if the procedure was flown as it was depicted on the “doctored” chart…
Many of us older pilots who are familiar with this “accident” call it being “Ron Browned”…
@@joer5571simply awful!
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So who would have made the chart? (Dag Hamershaws plane-sp)
If they went to all the trouble not to tell anyone and take extra precautions-it seems they would have checked the chart to make sure it was accurate. Also- what were they going to do to make the Congo less hostile by flying there?
Just wondering…?
@@angelaowen1513 I don’t know much about the Dag crash in The Congo- I did see a video a few years ago about it that carried the idea that they were shot down by a fighter jet from a neighboring country… I was just commenting on the 737 crash that killed Ron Brown, who was the US Secretary of Commerce at the time, 1996… There were allegations that someone had altered (and reprinted) the instrument navigation and approach charts for Dubrovnik, Croatia, removing the terrain elevations and warnings, and changed the instrument approach course bearings, which if flown the way the altered procedure they had in hand would result in flying the aircraft into the terrain, which they did… I’ve been an airline Captain for forty five years, so I’m familiar with how all of that works…
@@joer5571
Oh! I thought the one about the mountain that was not on the pilots charts was the Hamershaw crash.
Anyway- just wondered who would have been responsible for making the chart for the pilots. 🙂
who made the charts in stories 1 and 2 .. cue the twilight zone intro
Dag Hammerskold was a thorn in the side of Allan Dulles as well as others. If you want someone dead, it's not that hard especially if you've got pull.
This is an old episode of Mayday. Why can't you show recent episodes that we have not seen?
I hadn't seen this one.
I agree, all video should be dated with original date of first show, if you want to repost it as "new"
Ya know.....if the channel isn't coming up with alot of new material? That means alot less people are dying in plane crashes. Do you think that might be a good thing? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
They show them first on cable TV or paid streaming services.
Ruth here, it may be they do not always make a video every crash@@fighterjetsteve
I'll just point out the obvious: if I wanted to down an aircraft in a remote part of the world and not get blamed for it in pre-computer-insta 1961, I'd make sure an approach chart left out a hill or two.
HOW SAD
I prefer to watch ACI episodes about latinamerican cases in Spanish
the lamia-chapecoense voice recorders are available. ive heard it in other channels
Brilliant team I followed them in the Brazilian league so sad rip 🙏
it is a wrong explanation for how ADF beacon works... in the case of Dubrovnik crash. Sound is a morse code idenrifier of a beacon , but there is an instrument with a needle pointing in the direction of the bacon. When you fly over the first one you switch to the frequency of the next one which is usually a few miles from the airport. It was clearly a pilots mistake, probably because ADF is an old technology... its always sad.
..."important people"....
So !many of these tragic and horrific accidents that have happened over the years happen AT NIGHT! What is so bl0od y important about getting places that forces airlines to regularly operate when they CAN'T SEE! How many of these would not have killed all of those people if they were able to see the hiold or mountains, orient themselves in space, etc. WHY is it considered safe to fly at night? don't even get me started on the weather!! How many ice and electrical storms are flown into, with tragic consequences, when these flights should not not have been allowed to fly!!
Private flight should not be done in hilly conditions at night? Now who provided the defective Charts?
50 years latter and NSA still plays the Secret card? This is at CONGO ??
Its totally silly. If there was an unmarked hill on the charts, would it take 50 years for that to be discovered. Totally stupid
No, Ndola in Northern Rhodesia as it was called at the time. Northern part of the country probably bordering Congo. Now Zambia.
Airforce personnel are expendable?
6000 hours is less than a year...how is that veteran?
Ndola airport in Zambia?
Yes, called Northern Rhodesia at the time.
Stop calling people by their last names. Call them by their first names.
Exactly gi8ke8ef8d
People usually call anyone who they didn't know by their last name (in some countries)
26:28 We know how to stay safe and how to not run out of gas in the air... You guys didn't do a single thing.... What can you do when you're otta gas???? Get out and push the airplane to a gas station??? You run out of gas? It's over for you! Unless a miracle happens...
ELES NÃO FIZERAM NADA PRA EVITAR QUE A GASOLINA NÃO ACABASSE, ENTENDE?!...
ELES SABIAM QUE ESTAVAM TRANSPORTANDO JOGADORES DE FUTEBOL, JORNALISTAS, COMISSÃO TÉCNICA, PORQUÊ NÃO TOMARAM MAIS CUIDADO COM SEUS PASSAGEIROS, AO INVÉS DE DEIXAR O COMBUSTÍVEL ACABAR, SÓ PRA ECONOMIZAR UNS "MILHARES" DE DÓLARES?!
QUER DIZER: "PERCO A VIDA, MAS NÃO A GRANA?!" SABE QUANTAS VIDAS FORAM CEIFADAS? A DELE MESMA, E MAIS 70 VIDAS, ENTRE ESSAS VIDAS CEIFADAS, 19 JOGADORES DENTRE OS 22 JOGADORES DA CHAPECOENSE, QUE VIAJAVAM A BORDO DAQUELE AVIÃO. E ATÉ HOJE, O TIME NÃO VOLTOU A SER AQUELE TIME DE 2016...
Why is this in my youtube recomendations? Not that I'm complaining tho- xd
Did yu say KILTON? 🤯
Get thereitis . You can't hurry as a pilot, Ever !
UN? WHO, WEF, all un elected Buerocrats who think that they are above human life.
You say football we say soccer.
Is this narrated by David Mitchell?
This was narrated by Jonathan Aris
Dag Hammarskjöld was a United Nation Secretary General
Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, then
Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, then
Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, then
Volume gets too soft then gets too loud, ....
Thank God I'm hard of hearing, I have an app that can change the level of volume of my transmitter to send sounds to me hearing aid. 😂
Morse code? Very reassuring.
I was born in 1961. 😁
Why not start from day one with fuel tanks filled to capacity, and then you only need to replace what you used and never have to worry about running out of fuel. Shouldn't that be safety law number one.
They don’t do that because carrying extra fuel adds weight which makes the trip more expensive.
@@kenotube3160 The cost of an airplane worth millions, plus the cost of the millions from lawsuits, lawyers and the increase in insurance premiums, because you ran out of fuel. You would think keeping your fuel tanks filled to capacity would be a cheaper form of insurance, not to mention the lives that would not be lost, because your plane ran out of fuel. But that's how my mind works and I understand bean counters don't see it my way, but the first time a bean counter loses a loved one because the plane owned by the company they work ran out of fuel......they might come to my way of thinking.
I understand your way of thinking. But the airlines would pass the cost along to the customers and unless it was required by regulations, no airline would do it willingly. Commercial aircraft running out of fuel is incredibly rare. They’re required to carry enough for the trip plus reserves in case they need to go to an alternate airport, plus an extra percentage, as discussed in this video. In this case, the captain was an owner in the airline and thought he could cheat to save money, which killed almost everyone on the plane.
Excess fuel weight would make the plane too heavy to land safely. Enough fuel to reach the destination, plus a reserve to reach alternate airport(s) and accommodate delays is all you want.
Not shocked that there were no voice recorder boxes on these VIP planes. Why. So if any of these VIP start getting a little difficult, then the powers can get rid of them without who actually killed these VIPs
Whirled Peas.
Dag had a black boyfriend. Was he also on the plane?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Nobody in the UN has ever been important. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂