As Vietnamese immigrant, I am so thankful for the crew and everyone who were there to help the orphans and fought so hard in Vietnam. This brought tears to my eyes. And thank you for all the American parents who adopted these children. Cannot be more grateful.
@@Meeshusa... Well I guess if you watched the whole video you may have learned something. There was a mission called "Oporation Babylift" getting all the orphaned children out of Viet Nam and the plane crashed killing allot of children you ungrateful, heartless, ole' 🦇!!!
I agree with a Ray Moreci. Safety of passengers and crew should come first and foremost regardless of delays, financial loss, inconvenience, no exceptions.
It is just heart wrenching to think of all the innocent people who have lost their lives doing things they were looking forward to doing, due to a chain of events, or a single persons mistake in aviation. So many people die at once and with everyone who would have at least 10 loved ones whose lives were affected, those numbers are staggering.
No you wouldn't, you'd be like every other passenger, glad to get on your flight, glad it's not cancelled. I've worked as flight crew for a few years, many many flights have been delayed, de icing or de icing again is common, in years of working on flights as crew never once did a passenger disembark themselves from their flight. Not once. You also have to factor this airport is in snowy Canada, if you get off today, will likely be snowing again tomorrow, and the next day etc etc, are you saying you'd disembark yourself daily until the summer, of course not. Is far more likely youd be at the desk moaning about the delay, passengers have no sense when travelling, the only thing important is their flight, could be a typhoon and passengers still stand at airports demanding their flights leave on time, you would be no different at all.
True. Even when the airline think there’s must be a risk but always know passengers will complain. They are just thinking catching up with connections flight . Life is more important than delays. If it was me flying that day . I would have disregard my journey and get off the plane.
There was just this awful period from about 1982 that we really didn't know how much we didn't know about ice on the wings. Horrible accidents! I remember being scared to death to fly in icy weather in the late eighties and early nineties.
Some people have to fly for various reasons like work or family. Hopefully you never get a job that requires some travel otherwise you’ll be out of luck. Or maybe they’ll let you take a greyhound 😂
As a former station manager for a regional airline you could see this coming from a mile away. That's why they have hold time charts that the airlines use the tell the pilots how many minutes they have after being de-iced before they have to be in the air based on conditions and temperature. I can almost guarantee you these pilots were ignoring their hold time charts!
@@adotintheshark4848 well I honestly did not know that thank you for that information. Unfortunately that doesn't change anything those pilots should have known that airplane was in Jeopardy and get out there and clean it by hand if they have to if you can't do that then we don't go.
He didn’t de ice because he felt he wasnt able to. The airline let them fly without an APU requiring him to keep an engine on. The airport didn’t have equipment to let him turn his engines off to be allowed to de ice so he took the risk. So much of this stuff gets dumped on the pilots for the decisions they make but often the airlines get off the hook for the conditions they employ that lead to those decisions. The airlines don’t employ a culture that truly allows for pilots to make decisions with the best interests of their passengers in mind. Sadly you can’t be surprised when pilots make these choices when the reality is that choosing safety at all times risks their jobs.
Honestly, I was wondering about the snow and ice on the wings even before the plane tried to takeoff. I am surprised, and shopped that this was not a very first thing looked at. After all, it had been snowing heavily.
Reminds me of Flight 90 back in 1982 that crashed into the bridge over the Potomac River in DC. I was stuck in traffic that same day due to the same storm, on the West Side Highway in NYC. Took 4.5 hours to get home.
1:14 Oh, no!! Do you know what else would jeopardize their vacation plans? Dying. Why is this never taken into account? Arriving late is a heck of a lot better than having to plan a funeral. How come management never go to prison? They have blood on their hands, and yet at most they pay a fine and everything gets swept under the carpet.
captain worried about being late now he is the late captain. He had vacation plans with family too. I don't think anything was going to stop him from taking off. he gambled & lost
I was a world traveler for 30 yrs. Never gave it a thought re: a plane crashing-end of life REALITY: After seeing all of these horrific accidents, pilot mistakes, maintenance crews, ATC personnel, aircraft defects and this 'n that human errors, I cut out flying. Besides, I'm extremely comfortable at home, w/theatre screen/sound and YT unlimited videos to every country in the world. Add home cooked selective & healthy meals, with a comfortable positionable recliner. Full control and complete flexibility per above lifestyle is no match for a traveler's safety. Beats airports in-out hassles, hotel rooms, and other discomforts of traveling. RESULT: Privacy, control, peace & quiet surroundings and complete safety. Ideal !
Nobody WANTS to die. Risks are risks, and it goes with the job, as well as the service to the passengers. I'm most sure the pilots are always capable of their abilities. Sometimes circumstances just work against them. It could happen to the best of pilots. Without failure we could never see perfection. Godspeed to all.
We will never see perfection, period. It's a concept only ideological types believe in. You work towards it knowing it's impossible to achieve. The problem comes when people delude themselves into believing its an actual achievable endstate of human endevours.
I wear my motorcycle leathers (Kevlar lined) and bring my helmet in my carryon, in case of a "rough landing." I disclose the added weight and pay an upcharge, but I tell myself it's worth the money to have the protection.
28:35 - Good thing he avoided the costly decision of doing things the right way in favor of pressure from the airlines. No job is worth dying for let alone taking out innocent people who trusted you. What a shame.
Yours may be a truthful statement that basically somewhat reflects my reaction too, having watched many of these vids, and particularly the Potomac crash. Still, a hint ... don't ever admit to being impressed with yourself! Big mistake, as we see in the comments ...
Totally say your proud or impressed with yourself. Learning new things is exciting ! Idk why people can’t be happy for people’s happiness no matter what it is about it’s fucking happiness !!
You are absolutely Right ! How many "accidents" .. aircraft or otherwise .. are Set Ups: Pilots, though knowing better, take risky short cuts, even disobey safety rules. We succumb to personal worry, or to company culture, social pressure, or sadly a direct order from above ! .. to ignore Real Red Flags .. "Just do It" .. leading to tragic results of human hurt, or irreplaceable loss. I believe we must learn from these disasters, and so commit to being Careful, as well as taking proper Care .. even against likely impatience, or threatening anger from people around us or above. If I alone recognize a danger .. then I alone am responsible, to do all I can to prevent potential disaster .. despite any cost to me.
I truly can understand that being inconvienenced and delayed is an ultimate irritating frustration. For example being at a supermarket and out of 15 aisles there are only two cashiers working. And they are frustrated working like turtles. I get that. But boarding an plane or a train when there are horrible weather conditions, torrential downpours, blizzards, horrific wind and massive lightning? I have been in those situations and never have I been irate over it. Thank you GOD but I have never been so much in a urgency to get somewhere that caution is foregone to anger and attitude. Yes I was flusterd but weather like that I get it no matter what the weather related inconvienence may be. Now people that cause chaos and disruption and delays having to deal with them because of nasty ignorance, rudeness, intoxicated, that's it totally different. I have seen people like that and that makes you mad.. But blizzards and tornados? The airline cannot help that.
QUESTION: Why didn't the FAA instigate and airworthiness warning once the judge had revealed his interim findings after the crash of the Fokker F28 in Ontario? Could it be yet ANOTHER instance of bribes being paid by airlines to the FAA in order to satisfy the 'bottom line' so that the mjor shareholders could maximize their dividends?
In response the the C5 episode: There really is no excuse for what happened, common sense should have dictated, you're having issues locking and unlocking a critical part of the plane, and cannot perform a proper inspection to guarantee a proper compression seal. It should have been mentioned to the pilot and recommended flying at a lower altitude or scrubbing the flight totally.
@@leecowell8165 - Absolutely correct on that one. I personally don't think any airport in any country should allow take offs or landings in severe weather conditions. I mean why tempt fate right ?
those pilots flown an unflyable plane and he learned how to control it on the spot, most pilots would have crash, he saved people that in most cases would have died.
My daughter is like Mr. Moorwood. She gets super irritated with tardiness or lateness. Edit: I've been on a de-icing plane at ORD. It's always interesting as a passenger.
Having to sit for long periods make it where a plane needs more than one time of de icing unless they have been able to change things. I have been on a plane where they had to do that because we had to sit to long before takeoff
Primary reason I won't fly, the airlines care so little about their flight crew, people they know, that they usually die in the crash. Why should they care about me...
Not normally into the aviation thing but these are pretty cool I learn a lot One common thing about these crashes and all major tragedies. Managements greed, the willingness to take a chance of killing someone for profit. Ain't that something?
Don't put it on the paggengers, we'd rather be delayed than unsafe. Rushing a flight when its only 50 50 ok to take off is ALL ON THE pilot and airlines!
there is a boundary layer where the air flows over the wings to generate lift. The space between the air layer and the wings is between one and two ten thousands of an inch thick . Once this layer moves away from the wing more than these values, it starts to stall and and loses lift. Snow and ice crystals disturb and intercept the smooth flow of air and cause what is known as a burble.
In the first Air Canada crash…why couldn’t he have shut down one engine, had that wing de-iced and then turned that engine on, shut the other engine down & de-iced that wing. May not have been perfect but far better than doing nothing. But *ABOVE ALL* that plane *should not* have been allowed to stay in service with the generator that allows them to restart engines not working…not in that climate during that part of the year!! Company greed was the ultimate cause of that crash. WTF were they thinking buying a plane that even the *TINIEST AMOUNT OF ICE* on the wings could bring it down for use *IN CANADA* !!!🤯 Such a plane should’ve been strictly limited to non-freezing climates OR reworked to have heating over the ENTIRE wing.
What about if the fried eggs were all ready but the beans weren't simmering yet? Sounds to me like Albert wasn't qualified to stow the de-mistified alcoholic frog substance... but then it wouldn't matter as she has found steamed squirrel.
I question the reasoning behind airlifting a bunch of orphans out of the country you invaded. Then to fail doing so and then fail the entire invasion is ofcourse not part of this story because it undermines the entire thing.
I had a good friend back in the day. His birthday was in July of 1973. Born in the U.S. of Vietnamese parents, seeking refuge because his father had been in S. Vietnamese government. After knowing him for years, I found out he had been born in April, on the boat, on the way to the US. He is an outstanding US citizen who has provided far much more to society than I ever have. His dad was vicious though. If CPS had been a thing you did back in those times, I would have called them. But if that were the case, he would have called them on my folks…😂😂😂 Completely off topic from the above ramblings, I find it astonishing that the Air Force grounded their entire fleet, of best cargo carrying aircraft they had (in a “we need every we can get our hands on” situation) because 2 military personnel lost their lives. How many lives were lost before the DC-10 failures were corrected? I realize how callous that last statement sounds. But I know the military. Civilian lives lost are not counted because they would have been lost anyway. Military personnel are different. They spent money on training them, they expect a return on their investments…. Cruel, but true.
YOU CAN ALWAYS LOok BACK AND GO" (WELL I SHOULDA) THAT'S FOREVER. CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO AT THE TIME‼️ AND WITH THE TIME THAT YOU ARE GIVEN AT THE TIME‼️
0:0:46 big F*CKING white snow flakes 😄 I've watched this 4 or 5 times now and everytime I hear her say that it sounds like BIG F&CKING WHITE SNOW FLAKES lmao.
As Vietnamese immigrant, I am so thankful for the crew and everyone who were there to help the orphans and fought so hard in Vietnam. This brought tears to my eyes. And thank you for all the American parents who adopted these children. Cannot be more grateful.
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they were sold to highest bidders like all victims of child trafficking
Thank you ❤
What THIS has to do with this video??
@@Meeshusa... Well I guess if you watched the whole video you may have learned something. There was a mission called "Oporation Babylift" getting all the orphaned children out of Viet Nam and the plane crashed killing allot of children you ungrateful, heartless, ole' 🦇!!!
I agree with a
Ray Moreci. Safety of passengers and crew should come first and foremost regardless of delays, financial loss, inconvenience, no exceptions.
Haha, yes, in our dreams it's nice.
absolutely
It is just heart wrenching to think of all the innocent people who have lost their lives doing things they were looking forward to doing, due to a chain of events, or a single persons mistake in aviation. So many people die at once and with everyone who would have at least 10 loved ones whose lives were affected, those numbers are staggering.
That Air Force pilot was just amazing. Skills like that are something.
Some men are different 👍
With that amount of snow falling, I would've DEFINITELY got off that plane. Forgot skiing!
No you wouldn't, you'd be like every other passenger, glad to get on your flight, glad it's not cancelled. I've worked as flight crew for a few years, many many flights have been delayed, de icing or de icing again is common, in years of working on flights as crew never once did a passenger disembark themselves from their flight. Not once. You also have to factor this airport is in snowy Canada, if you get off today, will likely be snowing again tomorrow, and the next day etc etc, are you saying you'd disembark yourself daily until the summer, of course not. Is far more likely youd be at the desk moaning about the delay, passengers have no sense when travelling, the only thing important is their flight, could be a typhoon and passengers still stand at airports demanding their flights leave on time, you would be no different at all.
@@pommysteve1 you tell em, Steve!
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I've watched enough of these as soon as I saw heavy snow I knew where this is going. Ice on the wings loss of lift. The end
Shuttering passangers overnight seems far more affordable than paying for 70 funerals and settlements, just saying.
True. Even when the airline think there’s must be a risk but always know passengers will complain. They are just thinking catching up with connections flight . Life is more important than delays. If it was me flying that day . I would have disregard my journey and get off the plane.
There was just this awful period from about 1982 that we really didn't know how much we didn't know about ice on the wings. Horrible accidents! I remember being scared to death to fly in icy weather in the late eighties and early nineties.
Then why did you. If I don’t like sumthin I’m not doing it 🤷🏽♀️
I don’t like flying so I’m not getting on a plane. Simple as that.
Baby- Sometimes in life you are forced to do things you would rather not. When your mommy starts letting you wear big boy pants, you'll learn that.
Some people have to fly for various reasons like work or family. Hopefully you never get a job that requires some travel otherwise you’ll be out of luck. Or maybe they’ll let you take a greyhound 😂
@Matt-cr4vv amtrak is better. But only a little better if u cant afford a sleeper car
0:46 had to listen to that a couple times. FLUFFY
As a former station manager for a regional airline you could see this coming from a mile away. That's why they have hold time charts that the airlines use the tell the pilots how many minutes they have after being de-iced before they have to be in the air based on conditions and temperature. I can almost guarantee you these pilots were ignoring their hold time charts!
there was no deicing equipment at Dryden. There wasn't even an external power unit. They had to keep one engine running to keep their systems alive.
@@adotintheshark4848 well I honestly did not know that thank you for that information. Unfortunately that doesn't change anything those pilots should have known that airplane was in Jeopardy and get out there and clean it by hand if they have to if you can't do that then we don't go.
holdover charts were scant in 1982.
He didn’t de ice because he felt he wasnt able to. The airline let them fly without an APU requiring him to keep an engine on. The airport didn’t have equipment to let him turn his engines off to be allowed to de ice so he took the risk. So much of this stuff gets dumped on the pilots for the decisions they make but often the airlines get off the hook for the conditions they employ that lead to those decisions. The airlines don’t employ a culture that truly allows for pilots to make decisions with the best interests of their passengers in mind. Sadly you can’t be surprised when pilots make these choices when the reality is that choosing safety at all times risks their jobs.
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The Vietnam story. I am almost in tears... The horror they faced and the pain in their faces as they recount this...
Look at what they became in Australia, gangs, ghettos, responsible for Australia's 1st political assassination. Shame they ever came here really.
That is the saddest crash I have ever seen on mayday, all the children. =(
Honestly, I was wondering about the snow and ice on the wings even before the plane tried to takeoff. I am surprised, and shopped that this was not a very first thing looked at. After all, it had been snowing heavily.
Reminds me of Flight 90 back in 1982 that crashed into the bridge over the Potomac River in DC. I was stuck in traffic that same day due to the same storm, on the West Side Highway in NYC. Took 4.5 hours to get home.
It's amazing what conditions these plane engines can take😮
"Everything conspired against the pilots". Exactly.
The flight attendant in this is really beautiful
That's an actor.
Yes you’re so right!!
@@ProgNoizesB the lady is also pretty
Hindsight is always 20/20. Those pilots and everyone did an excellent job. No one could have done it better.. hats off to you guys!!!!!💯👍💘
What a stupid comment
55:44 all those lives especially with young life's just terrifying
1:14 Oh, no!!
Do you know what else would jeopardize their vacation plans? Dying. Why is this never taken into account? Arriving late is a heck of a lot better than having to plan a funeral.
How come management never go to prison? They have blood on their hands, and yet at most they pay a fine and everything gets swept under the carpet.
captain worried about being late now he is the late captain. He had vacation plans with family too. I don't think anything was going to stop him from taking off. he gambled & lost
@@BigAlWillis Getthereitis.
because Canadians are entitled to a high level of luxury/entertainment. as Canadians, it's our right eh. Trust the science, Bud.
the dead ones missed their connections
@@anthonybanchero3072 Exactly!
Damned if you do damned if you don’t! Poor guy was really in a very tight spot!😢
the pilot should have told his boss FU i am not taking the risk...amazing making the pilots responsable for the delays and hotels
I was a world traveler for 30 yrs. Never gave it a thought re: a plane crashing-end of life REALITY: After seeing all of these horrific accidents, pilot mistakes, maintenance crews, ATC personnel, aircraft defects and this 'n that human errors, I cut out flying. Besides, I'm extremely comfortable at home, w/theatre screen/sound and YT unlimited videos to every country in the world. Add home cooked selective & healthy meals, with a comfortable positionable recliner. Full control and complete flexibility per above lifestyle is no match for a traveler's safety. Beats airports in-out hassles, hotel rooms, and other discomforts of traveling. RESULT: Privacy, control, peace & quiet surroundings and complete safety. Ideal !
Nobody WANTS to die. Risks are risks, and it goes with the job, as well as the service to the passengers. I'm most sure the pilots are always capable of their abilities. Sometimes circumstances just work against them.
It could happen to the best of pilots. Without failure we could never see perfection.
Godspeed to all.
We will never see perfection, period. It's a concept only ideological types believe in. You work towards it knowing it's impossible to achieve. The problem comes when people delude themselves into believing its an actual achievable endstate of human endevours.
Poor judgement was rampant in this crash. This was not an accident, it was an inevitability.
*l really love watching this type of documentary very well done*
19:48
That was my first thought 😂snow and ice 🧊 on the wings prevented lift.
32:49 they probably spent more printing this booklet than they do on proper maintenance...
I would rather be delayed my flight being canceled than be laying in the morgue
How do you know?
The actress who plays the stewardress is absolutely BEAUTIFUL 🥰
U want to kill her Mr Friday the 13th?
She is a pain in the ass to some guy out there Guaranteed!
I was thinking the same thing.
Shauna Bradley
I wear my motorcycle leathers (Kevlar lined) and bring my helmet in my carryon, in case of a "rough landing." I disclose the added weight and pay an upcharge, but I tell myself it's worth the money to have the protection.
I was on the ship that found the cargo doors. USS. Quapaw ATF110. We found them with towed sonar. It took us several days to find them.
28:35 - Good thing he avoided the costly decision of doing things the right way in favor of pressure from the airlines. No job is worth dying for let alone taking out innocent people who trusted you. What a shame.
I’ve watched so many of these, and even though I am no pilot, I knew right away what the problem was. I am pretty impressed with myself…
LOL
Congratulations on your kindergarten level deduction skills!!!!!!
I knew you could do it 🤣🤣
Yours may be a truthful statement that basically somewhat reflects my reaction too, having watched many of these vids, and particularly the Potomac crash. Still, a hint ... don't ever admit to being impressed with yourself! Big mistake, as we see in the comments ...
Totally say your proud or impressed with yourself. Learning new things is exciting ! Idk why people can’t be happy for people’s happiness no matter what it is about it’s fucking happiness !!
In this kind of weather all aircraft should be grounded period. Never mind ice on the wings.
yup and all things has to be the same. Not like 1 airport uses pounds, other uses kilograms. Same with language.
It's so simple peeps.
Exactly 💯
How am I not shocked another company who focusses too much on the bottom line then to be more concerned with their custom
Pilots are heroes. Period.
Not all. Remember the ones who crashed the plane to that bridge
@@jamesroad316 Whish was that? I know of three that purposely crashed their planes from this show
@@vanessahenry7238 it wasn't on purpose. But the way they disregarded procedures for de icing was criminal
Thank you
@@vanessahenry7238 Air Florida 90
I think the best solution for most of these accidents is to stop putting so much pressure on pilots just so the company doesn't lose money!
You are absolutely Right ! How many "accidents" .. aircraft or otherwise .. are Set Ups: Pilots, though knowing better, take risky short cuts, even disobey safety rules. We succumb to personal worry, or to company culture, social pressure, or sadly a direct order from above ! .. to ignore Real Red Flags .. "Just do It" .. leading to tragic results of human hurt, or irreplaceable loss.
I believe we must learn from these disasters, and so commit to being Careful, as well as taking proper Care .. even against likely impatience, or threatening anger from people around us or above. If I alone recognize a danger .. then I alone am responsible, to do all I can to prevent potential disaster .. despite any cost to me.
I am always amazed at the professionilsm and expertise of these investigators.
Welcome to my life I live in Canada Alberta this is basically the airline example of dealing with black ice
I truly can understand that being inconvienenced and delayed is an ultimate irritating frustration. For example being at a supermarket and out of 15 aisles there are only two cashiers working. And they are frustrated working like turtles. I get that. But boarding an plane or a train when there are horrible weather conditions, torrential downpours, blizzards, horrific wind and massive lightning? I have been in those situations and never have I been irate over it. Thank you GOD but I have never been so much in a urgency to get somewhere that caution is foregone to anger and attitude. Yes I was flusterd but weather like that I get it no matter what the weather related inconvienence may be. Now people that cause chaos and disruption and delays having to deal with them because of nasty ignorance, rudeness, intoxicated, that's it totally different. I have seen people like that and that makes you mad.. But blizzards and tornados? The airline cannot help that.
QUESTION: Why didn't the FAA instigate and airworthiness warning once the judge had revealed his interim findings after the crash of the Fokker F28 in Ontario? Could it be yet ANOTHER instance of bribes being paid by airlines to the FAA in order to satisfy the 'bottom line' so that the mjor shareholders could maximize their dividends?
I am an actor. And these actors are super
@0:45 had to play that back a few times, thought she said something else 🤣
18:38
Why would this be a CONTROVERSIAL investigation?
In response the the C5 episode: There really is no excuse for what happened, common sense should have dictated, you're having issues locking and unlocking a critical part of the plane, and cannot perform a proper inspection to guarantee a proper compression seal. It should have been mentioned to the pilot and recommended flying at a lower altitude or scrubbing the flight totally.
Runways should extend atleast a mile
The head down brace position is to help you break your neck
23:27
Here they go. Blaming the pilot again.
With abnormally amounts of snow and ice, de-icing SHOULD be automatic!!
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6:50 the irony is, the pilots of both planes knew the cause of the accident, seconds before it happened. It took months for everyone else to catch up!
"When we started hitting the trees, I knew something was wrong."
The Vietnam one is so sad. always civilian is war victim
passengers onboard during refueling. That's ILLEGAL. I am so glad they changed that regulation.
Nowadays the flight crews need to be onboard before passengers board as well.
@@leecowell8165 - Absolutely correct on that one. I personally don't think any airport in any country should allow take offs or landings in severe weather conditions. I mean why tempt fate right ?
Was refuelling done like that in most countries before the law was changed do you know ?
@@GSR9435
Refueling was done with pax on board all the time in the 90's.
I haven't flown since 99.
@@alhanes5803 - thanks. I've only flown commercial 2x so I never really paid attention to that but it sounds pretty dangerous.
Those flight attendants reenacting look closer to supermodels than service people
Clickbait Heaven lol.
Up until the early to mid 90s yeah just about every air stewardess was a model. Nowdays airlines have to hire dogs and slobs cos DEI...
Maintenance is garbage on almost any airline.... Perhaps they should start giving them 10 year sentences I bet they won't make mistakes after that.
That Chalkers Sea Plane was just to old 60 years, and patch up after patch up, beyond ridiculous... Its all about the MONEY!!!
You said hot refueling isn’t normal but it looks like it is!
This plane without the functioning APU unit should have not been allowed to take off against the de icing procedures.
That girl at 1:15 to 1:19 ought to be on tv ❤🎬
That flight attendant actress is destined for greatness.
those pilots flown an unflyable plane and he learned how to control it on the spot, most pilots would have crash, he saved people that in most cases would have died.
My daughter is like Mr. Moorwood. She gets super irritated with tardiness or lateness.
Edit: I've been on a de-icing plane at ORD. It's always interesting as a passenger.
Having to sit for long periods make it where a plane needs more than one time of de icing unless they have been able to change things. I have been on a plane where they had to do that because we had to sit to long before takeoff
I knew someone if she was (just) on time somewhere she considered herself late.
The only good things about these incidents is that they can be used to prevent another like it from happening again.
And you think that actually works that way! Lmao
@@wavular They do. Just ask Mentour Pilot who is a pilot who has a YT channel.
Bless you amen
Captain should have delayed take off even if it means waiting overnight and passengers disboarded. Better late than dead.
Poor darling children. RIP ❤😢
Primary reason I won't fly, the airlines care so little about their flight crew, people they know, that they usually die in the crash. Why should they care about me...
Not necessarily true, plus it is still safer than driving a car.
I am at 10% of the video, but I have watched enough of those videos to give my guess: icing on the wings. Let's see...
That's "light" snowfall? Well maybe for Canada.
Be Safe ✈️✈️✈️
I would never fly in such weather
Too much pressure to be on time and save money has cost many lives. Weather will always be a factor in aviation.
Not normally into the aviation thing but these are pretty cool I learn a lot One common thing about these crashes and all major tragedies. Managements greed, the willingness to take a chance of killing someone for profit. Ain't that something?
2:39 I'm getting 'The Fugitive' vibes.
I had already diagnosed the problem. Icing on wings. What's wrong with the pilots?
so sad
Don't put it on the paggengers, we'd rather be delayed than unsafe. Rushing a flight when its only 50 50 ok to take off is ALL ON THE pilot and airlines!
Ice on the wings. I will gauruntee it and I don't even know why this one went down.
guarantee
there is a boundary layer where the air flows over the wings to generate lift. The space between the air layer and the wings is between one and two ten thousands of an inch thick . Once this layer moves away from the wing more than these values, it starts to stall and and loses lift. Snow and ice crystals disturb and intercept the smooth flow of air and cause what is known as a burble.
In the first Air Canada crash…why couldn’t he have shut down one engine, had that wing de-iced and then turned that engine on, shut the other engine down & de-iced that wing. May not have been perfect but far better than doing nothing. But *ABOVE ALL* that plane *should not* have been allowed to stay in service with the generator that allows them to restart engines not working…not in that climate during that part of the year!! Company greed was the ultimate cause of that crash. WTF were they thinking buying a plane that even the *TINIEST AMOUNT OF ICE* on the wings could bring it down for use *IN CANADA* !!!🤯 Such a plane should’ve been strictly limited to non-freezing climates OR reworked to have heating over the ENTIRE wing.
What about if the fried eggs were all ready but the beans weren't simmering yet? Sounds to me like Albert wasn't qualified to stow the de-mistified alcoholic frog substance... but then it wouldn't matter as she has found steamed squirrel.
@@MothKeeper
Whatever you say
"The Cessna 150 lands safely" shows picture of Cessna 182.
Welcome to the reality of this world. Idiocy rules the day.
I question the reasoning behind airlifting a bunch of orphans out of the country you invaded. Then to fail doing so and then fail the entire invasion is ofcourse not part of this story because it undermines the entire thing.
I had a good friend back in the day. His birthday was in July of 1973. Born in the U.S. of Vietnamese parents, seeking refuge because his father had been in S. Vietnamese government. After knowing him for years, I found out he had been born in April, on the boat, on the way to the US.
He is an outstanding US citizen who has provided far much more to society than I ever have. His dad was vicious though. If CPS had been a thing you did back in those times, I would have called them. But if that were the case, he would have called them on my folks…😂😂😂
Completely off topic from the above ramblings, I find it astonishing that the Air Force grounded their entire fleet, of best cargo carrying aircraft they had (in a “we need every we can get our hands on” situation) because 2 military personnel lost their lives. How many lives were lost before the DC-10 failures were corrected? I realize how callous that last statement sounds. But I know the military. Civilian lives lost are not counted because they would have been lost anyway. Military personnel are different. They spent money on training them, they expect a return on their investments…. Cruel, but true.
knew someone who worked at hussmann in atl his dad was onboard the plane
Which plane?
The cameraman made it. Good.
NO SAFETY CULTURE :( RIP ALL.
I hope that military pilot became a commercial pilot….
YOU CAN ALWAYS LOok BACK AND GO"
(WELL I SHOULDA)
THAT'S FOREVER. CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO AT THE TIME‼️ AND WITH THE TIME THAT YOU ARE GIVEN AT THE TIME‼️
These types of accidents are almost always a result of ice on the wings or incorrect takeoff configuration
As a Canadian i have to say its not pronounced Thunderbay,
Its Tunderbay
My observation. What causes most air disasters are night flights and bad weather.
A blessing for those that did make it but safety first don't put people in the cargo area'jeez!
Grounding the jet would be better than dying.
If there aware of ice issues why must they wait for a request from the captain? That doesnt seem right to me?
You're safer flying than driving....uh huh...tell that to everyone who has ever died in a plane crash.
There's a reason why plane crashes get their own documentaries and car crashes don't, they are WAY rarer so they get the spotlight
Why did the pilots not request deicing of the plane?????? Big mistake 😑 😕 😫 🤔 😒
That airport wouldn't do it if engines were running.
They explain why. They couldn't because they couldn't restart the engines without the APU!
0:0:46 big F*CKING white snow flakes 😄 I've watched this 4 or 5 times now and everytime I hear her say that it sounds like BIG F&CKING WHITE SNOW FLAKES lmao.
Avrano avuto qualche mese?
It appears the stewardess had more knowledge of flying than the pilots.
Dagnabbit..freezing conditions and it was snowing but they forgot to de-ice.
Old black Dude at 1:40:23😂😂😂😂
Ice on the wings!
This is why I don't fly anymore!