CUP's Further Thoughts on CSX's Heritage Units
Вставка
- Опубліковано 31 лип 2023
- So, anyone remember that video I made like 2-3 months ago talking about CSX 1827? I made a follow-up with my further opinions. Dont know if i'll follow this one up afterwards. who knows.
I apologize if this video is rather short and with lacking of visuals, as its another last-minute update video I made.
Foomers: GIVE US HERITAGE UNITS
CSX: Ok, here you go.
Foomers: NOOOO THEY HAVE TO BE MICROSCOPIC PERFECT AAAAAAAAAA
I agreed with some of the points here, especially with 1973, but in my opinion, it actually looks pretty good. After seeing 1973 for myself in person, my opinion definately changed a bit. Also, 1976 looks a bit weird from the first photos. The Q on the Conrail Quality logo looked too big, but after seeing more pictures, it seems that the angle of the photo just made it look bigger than it actually was, and the logo looks more normal. There is basically nothing wrong with 1982 except the yellow being a bit faded, but its overall very good. Overall, I really am enjoying these new heritage units and I cant wait to see what CSX makes next
There are actually some pictures of old Conrail units that uses the same big Q logo. I believe there are some pictures of SD60Is with that same logo on 1976
@@anf_8310_ab SD60Is didn’t exist until the 1990s, also Conrail didn’t use the Quality branding until the 1990s
I’d say after the NS heritage units, we’ve had high expectations, seeing the full scheme on a modern engine. I’d say CSX units aren’t that bad, and over time I’ve grown quite fond of ‘em.
literally this, if these came out before the NS units we'd be singing their praises. Railfans are too spoiled imo
@@blackstone1anot really. cornflaek9 forgot some railroads. The Union Pacific, Canadian National, Canadian Pacific, Amtrak, NJ transit Metra, Iowa interstate, and Metro-North all did the all body paint scheme with their heritage units. CSX is odd one out.
@@gamerfan8445 Yup i agree and CSX has some of my favourite predeccecors. And watching them paint over them with a fade was absolutely heartbreaking. I hope CSX gets bought out by another railroad and that railroad honors CSX's predeccecors. Or CSX could sell they're history to NS. NS would do a better job at doing them imagine a SD70ACE painted into an full and accurate Chessie Paint Scheme, that would be cool, and NS gets 20 more heritage units. 40 heritage units in total. All the other railroads did it right and CSX didnt. They are capable of doing so much yet they do 70% of them.
@@ejdsndnjexactly
less fantasy and retro than Union Pacific.
At least it's a start for CSX
Yes
Thank you someone with a brain
Yea
A start for giving meaning to the word meaningless.
@@jonathanlafferty2271 oh whatever (lol).
I honestly don’t have any issue with the heritage units at all, I’m excited to see how the rest will turn out
I really don't mind with these decisions that CSX makes and honestly, its a start for them. That's what really matters
I’m just grateful they did them
2:55 the difference between CN & CSX heritage units. CN gives effort to make theirs to look like they belong with the fallen flag railroad.
*Cough* *3069*
@@TrainsAreReallyCool yeah that not good. But it better than the CSX heritage units.
@@TrainsAreReallyCool All of CNs heritage units will still look better then what CSX do, no matter how bad the CN ones are.
@@dooberdetroitfan43 I choose to disagree.
@@TrainsAreReallyCool I choose to disagree with your opinon.
Props to CSX for making me appreciate the CN heritage fleet
“We just want to make sure that people know it’s our heritage unit, so we leave out some blue and mostly heritage”
People will know it's there heritage units they didn't need to do the whole fade into the past thing for people to know that
it’s called a joke…
@@NSandBNSFrailfanProductionsOkay..
I agree. I'm someone who just doesn't mind any liveries, heck, even I don't mind Spirit Airlines' livery.
well if you compare 1976 to a CRW D8W you'll see how very close it is. plus given the limited space they had on a ES44 compared to a D8 they did the best they could, plus i actually like the creative idea of pulling history behind us
The Conrail one sparked a lot of memes lol
Me personally,I've gotten used to the heritage units and I even like them myself,yeah i get there are some inaccuracies but I don't mind about that. I'm glad csx did heritage units and all but how the community reacts,I feel like it's going sorta a bit too far based off what i've seen on other videos of the heritage units and i've seen a whole lotta ridiculous comments like them wanting to sue csx and some went toxic just because of them. i'm not sure if most of the hater's i've seen so far is like 11 year olds. Hopefully I might see one some time and can't wait to see the upcoming heritage units.
No one cares. Go ride CSX about how good their painting over history idea for heritage are. Make sure to bow down to them like the little peasent you are to them after reading this message. If you don't, they will throw you're ass into one of their cages. Im glad im not one of the people that likes these. This is why i carry a gun with me while railfanning. If a CSX UFO try to sneak up to me i will fire towards them.
Backstory: CSX have a UFO which abducts railfans to turn them into one of them. When the railfans are one of the employees at CSX, they will have the minds of them, making them like every heritage they do despite the fact they look like shit, and the fade dont help with that. One person said that when one of they were railfanning to catch some trains. they saw a csx HU in the distance. Their friend went on complaining about how bad they are, and when the heritage unit got to them, the whole train stopped in 1 sec and the HU jumped off the tracks and ate their friend.
Now sorry about those stuff i said i'll save you from CSX-brainer, dont worry bro i will save you.
how does 11 year olds have more common sense then you
SAL and ACL units are gonna be saucy.
I agree that some of them will look ugly but it’s better than sticker units
The heritage units look pretty good in my opinion, but they would look better if they had a solid curved line cutting between the predecessor livery and CSX’s livery, kind of like CSX 1776
These units are overhated, they don't even look bad. I'm super happy that CSX is doing this and already saw 4 of them.
Yes. CSXs heritage units look way better then NS heritage units, UP heritage units every heritage unit in the world. Nothing can compare to CSXs heritage units. They are the best.
Honestly, same. IMO I don't think they look horrible and i'll give them credit for trying to be creative. Although I do think that a couple of touchups could be made (clean out/put a line over the fade, resize the repective logos properly, etc.), then they would look alot better. I'll even admit, some of the heritage units look cool in certain lighting.
As an indication of my thoughts on CSX's heritage units, I'll take Norfolk Southern 8098 over CSX 1976 any day.
Definitely
I accept the way CSX Makes them honestly 1976 In My New Fav,Plus They Own The Engine So They Paint It The Way They Want To
Opinion: I refuse to recognize these as actual "heritage" units if the throwback paint doesn't cover then nose. BNSF's Santa Fe units don't count but at least they keep the Santa Fe paint scheme on the nose! if anybody reading this likes the units paint then that's perfectly fine, you do you! but when they unveil the NYC unit Im gonna need a 6 months supply worth of copium
I feel that if CSX would continue the current trend, they should probably have some continuity with the fade. Like, maybe not run the solid color all the way down the frame and handrails for a start
I love them
CSX Seaboard System is honestly not that bad, the Heritage unit is kinda look like CSX YN2 Livery
Honestly I like it… I’m in the vast minority on this I feel, but they’re just nice to look at in my opinion. Do I wish they were fully painted? Sure I guess… it’s not that big of a deal in my eyes. Just excited to see great roads like the Seaboard or Chessie back on the rails in a more “official” manner
Meanwhile at MTA:
One is being repainted in the yellow and blue Conrail livery and it looks 👌
Wait, what?
New heritage unit today! The 1869 C&O Heritage unit is here!
tbf the Chessie System one they didn't have a lot of space to work with for the logo because of the grills at the rear
Who cares? just paint over the grills.
Nice
More has changed again with more CSX Heritage Units like 1869, 1850, 1871, 1853, 1836, 1852 and 1899.
Halton , Yes will get a used to them
You indirectly asked to be reminded later. Well, many more were released without the fade between the CSX and heritage paint. We’re still kinda getting a mixed bag however the more time goes by, the more I’m getting used to them. I just caught 1827 earlier today for the second time and I don’t dislike it nearly as much as when it was first released. Whether this is a topic to look at again or not, that’s up to you.
On complete honesty I was never mad at their design choice until Conrail and the Chessie System heritage unit they looks so off its funny
I wonder what will happen WITH CSX making a Penn Central because they only have one paint phase and NS. done it
CSX heritage units dont look all that bad to me. They actually look good
Although I don't necessarily mind the CSX HUs, yeah it would've been better to have the whole thing.. especially Conrail, seeing the SD80MAC scheme would've been awesome.. oh well, idek when I'll see the HUs anyways since I'm deep in NS territory, hell CSX is rare enough here as it is.
Tbh, I like these better in the fade
Csx 1976 was in Dalton ga today on csx m515
They might get better with the painting as they go.
Man, Railfans are just never happy are they? We have been begging CSX for years to do something like this and now people are complaining about how they look? You can't have your cake and eat it too. I like them. It's different and makes them stand out from other railroad heritage units. they could have just stuck to the sticker units. Also what is wrong with the CN ones? they are fully painted and look great. I don't get why there is so much hate on these yet this is something we have always wanted.
what is wrong with you? We did not asked for CSX to do heritage units with a fade, and the reason we are complaining is because they are not fully painted and they look like shit! CSX put a fade in the front to use that as an excuse to keep CSX on the front. 1982 has bright yellow, 1973 has big orange stripes and a Chessie C logo on the back which chessie did not have and the small chessie logo on the side, originally on chessie engines it was big. The 1976 has a big Q. The 1827 dont go with the fade i dont think none of them go with the fade. They did the 1850 with the basic L&N paint scheme instead of the hummingbird paint because it will make it easier and quicker for them. This is even more proof they dont care about their history. At this point i wish CSX have not done HUs. It is obvious they have no idea how to do them. They should just stick with the stickers units and the responder units. Heritage units are not going to work out well for them anymore. Let the foamers do them since they know how to properly do them unlike CSX.
NS should just buy out CSX but that wont happen since CSX is a bigger railroad then NS. Instead CSX should give their history to NS. I cant imagine a SD70ACe in Chessie Colors or a ES44AC in SCL colors. there will be 20 more ES44ACs and 20 more ACEs. NS will have 40 more heritage units in total.
And NS took the criticism for the Lehigh valley heritage unit in 2012 when the railfans complained about the front of it. And after that, they took that unit back into the shops and made the front better. What is stopping CSX from doing that? Nothing. It is that CSX dont care, *AT ALL* all about their predecesscors NS is starting to repaint their heritage units by giving them a new, clean fresh coat of paint. I bet 10000 dollars that CSX is not going to do that after those units hit 20 years old. The assriding must be insane for the people that likes the CSX heritage units and attacks everyone that dont like them. And for those who say "If you dont like these, then dont railfan anymore" Yeah right. Im not going to quit railfanning over some horrible-looking heritage units. I can film other heritage units. I dont understand, UP, Metra, Amtrak, NS, CN, basically every railroad got it right, and then CSX comes along and put trash everywhere for some reason, people eats. You guys need to go to the doctor or something for an eye check.
Just paint the entire thing and the railfans will be happy. It's not that hard. They wouldn't be receiving this criticism if they just paint the whole thing.
Honestly i think the people who hate and like them are wrong and right in there own ways. I think the people who dislike them are right because the idea of fading into the past works better in practice but i think they should do the full paint scheme mainly because it doesn't work with some of the companies CSX absorbed but those people are also wrong because if they keep complaining about it CSX might stop doing heritage units or worse send them back to the shops and paint them back into yn3. And i think the people who like these units are right because the idea of fading into the past offers some creative ideas and gives is a chance to see companies that aren't around anymore but i think they are wrong in there way to because they use the excuse "at least we have heritage units" well just because we have them doesn't mean they are all going to be good and not everyone has to like them. But these are just my thoughts on the units. TLDR im not a fan of the idea CSX is doing with they're units but some of the paint schemes do work.
True lol!
Man I used to like CSX but now I like Union Pacific because of my area and heritage units.
I never complained about CN heritage units because I thought they all looked normal
Im glad they did it, I just wish they didn't do the fade, it looks poorly done.
I wish all the railroads would paint more of their existing locomotives in heritage schemes a long with creating more interesting liveries... Especially NS, its tiring seeing everything Black.... Especially when a NS mainline is 30' from my door.
I have pretty much the same opinions as you. We'll just have to wait until 1850 is done (L&N).
Louisville and Nashville heritage unit is next in line
I hope and pray that They make A Pere Marquette one
@@bub-e2592 no because they merged with C&O in 1947 thus ending there existence.
@@NarodowyPolski1864 yeah but they still will probably make a Pere Marquette unit since it is a predecessor. Also, C&O HU appears to be coming first, then the L&N unit, then another that we dont know for sure what it is yet
I still farely believe the next heritage unit there making is L&N.
@@NarodowyPolski1864 well, don’t be surprised if the next unit is C&O
I think my problem with them comes down to the fact in the CSX video they talked about it being a fade effect from what CSX is today with the heritage behind the railroad in the back. Makes sense and not necessarily a bad idea, but from a railfan perspective, especially photography, it kind of sucks because a nose photo of any of these units looks no different from every other CSX unit. As for the biggest issues, it's suppose to be a fade effect and I just don't see the fade most photos I've seen it looks like it's just a hardline between the two. Maybe in person it looks better, but I think they could have done a lot better job at painting a fade effect. Yea I don't know enough about the paint schemes to know about how big a stripe should be or if a logo is right to scale or two big/small. So I personally can't comment on those.
It ain’t bad for me. At the end of the day, it’s just a heritage unit
As long as they make a pittsburgh and lake erie one, and it runs on the pittsburgh subdivision
I think the basic idea is fine; UP did spectacular reinterpretations of bygone eras with their heritage units, and NS took a less creative but certainly impressive run by simply using the past liveries 'straight'. My only thought is that the fade effect looks more accidental than a deliberate design choice, as if someone forgot to mask the demarcation. The fade effect, if intended to show the transition from then to now, is a perfectly good idea, but... maybe extended more, to emphasize passage of time? Fades are not easy to pull off well, and this looks like an unfinished job. A hard demarcation might have worked better, perhaps? It would still convey the 'then to now' idea.
New liveries can sometimes miss a step from concept to execution. I remember back in the '90s, when CN unveiled their new North America logo. On a light background it looked fine, but on the black locomotives it looked (at first glance) like a patch of black paint had peeled off, revealing grey primer. And railfans said so. "What's wrong with that paint job? The black is coming off already, and it's brand new!" Pity - I really liked the North America logo, and wish they'd stuck with it. Ah well... that's what model railroading is for, right?
I know a bunch of foamers will argue that these heritage units are shitty, but in my opinion, they don’t look that bad.
I saw 1973 in person and it honestly made me dislike it even more. I was just out Railfanning and I saw the engine but because of the nose being yn3, I didn’t pay any mind. Camera rolling and it caught me off guard and the chessie logo looked way too small. #repaintnose
I really don’t mind the units, personally I think they look alright.
The chessie came through where i live and people were going nuts. Sadly didn't get to see it
Sounds like a similar situation when I went to catch it, a good sized crowd came to see it and we all enjoyed it. It doesn't look bad to me at all, I'm glad I caught it and I'm proud to say it was my first CSX Heritage Unit. Sorry to hear you missed it.
I think CSX made their fifth Heritage unit in C&O livery
I LOVE THEM! Could you imagine them painting a heritage unit for every railroad that made them, all the way back to the 1800's? You would know that the parent company is CSX, and then we would see all of these little short lines. Yes yes, most steam engines were black, but we know what their insignia or typeface or company colors were...let the paint schemes flow! It would be pretty cool to design a paint scheme on a modern locomotive for a classic railroad. It would be like all of the Uhaul trucks that had the different states on them. I loved seeing those different state layouts on them trucks! Ok, back on track. Plus, it would draw a lot of good attention to the rail roads which really haven't looked too good lately, just sayin. Squirrel!
If NS did that there would be A Michigan Central HU
Fully painted or not the units look good
Maybe NS 8098 and CSX 1976 should be a couple
Actually, CSX 1976 heritage unit in that Conrail livery actually looks good because of contrasting colours alternating from the dark blue to bright blue.
and it uses the Conrail quality logo
Someone whos not related to CSX Painted CSX 6914 nose to chessie
At least csx has them
The reason CSX kept the cab in CSX paint is to symbolize CSX bringing its history with them.
Exactly
Well CSX is wrong because fade to the present is not heritage unit material and that is not supposed to be the final version.
@@jonathanlafferty2271 A. Not all heritage units have to be fully heritage paint.
B. What is heritage unit material.
C. That is how CSX wanted to paint it.
@@bnsf6289CSX wanted to paint their heritage units by painting over them with their corporate image. Got it.
Ok
Wish the fade was in the shape of yn2
L&N is next.
Well, I kinda do agree that they look weird, but it's CSX's first time making Heritage Unit Liveries.
2:39 - 2:55 Good point and evidence to back it up. The original CSXT gray ghosts and gray-and-blue were genuinely unattractive. Years later when only a handful remain to be repainted and they happen to be spotted, get your cameras out. Even those eyesores became fallen flags in their own way.
I'm glad and grateful CSX finally made a real effort to give homage to its predecessors and just give a more PR-friendly face to the public.
I get the theme CSX is going with past morphing into future, but the YN3 color scheme just clashes in addition to other things. Call it nitpicking, but then marketing and graphics are paid to be hyper-nitpicky on branding - one logo, one message, one chance. And well, there it is.
It's more evidence that CSX is just loathe to do anything that doesn't keep the C-S-X acronym front and center. They want to communicate strength, stability, unity, uniformity, consistency, reliability. How well CSX has carried through on that over the decades, only customers and on-the-ground workers can say. But the PSR era has effectively disregarded CSX's obligations to customers and workers alike in favor of meeting obligations for shareholders. That's another discussion.
They aren't the best, but they aren't the worst looking locomotives
You heard of lupin the 3rd?
I'm indifferent towards CSX's HU's as some of them look okay with the fade (CSX1827) while others would look better if it were the whole unit painted in that "Fallen Flag" paint scheme with a few tweeks (CSX 1973). Not every HU livery is going to be a winner so we're going to need to deal with it.
I mean, CSX is just starting to do these. I'd really don't give a shit about anyones opinions, other then that.
CSX won't really care.
@yousmelllikefartgive me a reason why y'all care about it so much
@yousmelllikefarti literally don't care about your opinion, quit commenting on my shit about yours
@@GeorgiaRoadHD Too late. I already dedicated my whole life to commenting on your shit.
Ok
CN did a decent job, CSX really screwed up.
I couldn’t imagine being so entitled to something I’m owed zero of.
Hi
The CN units are great and the CSX aren’t bad they both get to much criticism
Meanwhile on BNSF: *”STICK STICKERS ON THE SIDES AND SLAP 25th ANNIVERSARY ON THEM”* 🤣🤣
The fact railfans think railroads give a single care in the world about what yall want is a level of entitlement beyond my understanding
" I don't care. It looks OK as a heritage. I'm not mad, at all." -This video
2:13 - (Sighs) As anyone who has done slideshows knows (or should know), you NEVER have anything YELLOW on a WHITE background.
1973 looks pretty good in person
Now the other one I’ve seen in person 1827 doesn’t look good at all
People really need to stop bitching about how CSX does heritage units. all that matters is they have them
No
Or what? The big bad billion-dollar corporation is gonna come to my house and blow it up and then steal my car?
Yes
@@09JDCTrainManwhy would i?
Personally, 1982 would be better if the CSX cab was in YN2
There honestly not that bad, there’s obviously a few flaws like the logo on the contrail. But there not that bad, there just different, and most people who are giving the hate are just spoiled 8 years olds with there iPhone 14 pro max’s with there shattered camera lenses screaming over gevos.
@yousmelllikefart Bro just be happy that csx did it in the first place
GEVO's are shit and the heritage units are shit. They did not have to do all that present into the past thing just to let people know it's they're heritage...
Those spoiled "8 year olds" you talk about knows whats right and wrong. They should not do a fade they should just paint the entire engine it wont hurt to only have 20 engines without CSX on them.
@@dooberdetroitfan43 I agree, but you cant expect evrything
@@MissouriRails I never said i expected them to repaint them.
csx = good ns=good i dont get it ig?
What do you know sing about the Amtrak GE Genesis Literally going off service Do you live in You do you care
You still complaining ???
Publicity is publicity is how the executives will look at this. Problem is only train nerds like you and I give a shit. Chessie System went through my back yard growing up. Since I’m a fan of Chessie System I have a strong dislike for CSX to being with. There’s not a single CSX paint scheme I like. Lol I’m just a CSX hater.
Get over it and move on…… just be lucky they are doing it! It’s good to do something different!
I feel unlucky that they are doing these. I'd rather not have them. I'll move on to NS and never railfan CSX again.
@@ejdsndnj Wow ….. it’s really not that deep but whatever!🤦🏻♂️
@@joekugelman4196 It is! Why would you paint over your history like that? Espically the B&O! They painted over the first railroad in america! NS did it the right way. I think they did a fade to have that as an excuse to keep CSX in the front, and i dont even think that CSX cares about they're history! Either way, they did not have to do the whole present to past thing to let people know that it is they're heritage. They could have paint the whole unit and make CSX reporting marks under the cab. CSX dont care where they came from.
Some day there will be a railroad with a CSX heritage unit.