Is The ThighMaster move more than a gimmick?
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This serves three functions.
1. You get to keep the momentum going further.
2. The back leg gets off the ground faster, which makes you faster. Pushing the back leg off the ground is slow because, well, you push the ground, which means it wants to stay on it longer. The ThighMaster move, done with the front leg's inner thigh (actually, the back leg activates, too), lifts the back leg off the ground without having to push the ground.
3. It keeps you from falling over or spinning out because the back leg goes forward first and only after that swings around the brace. It keeps you closed a little longer.
Bonus: it may protect your knee from twisting because you turn it consciously inwards. This is a massive bonus because that fear alone might cause you to slow down subconsciously.
It does not make the arm move any faster. It may cause your body to move faster and let the arm move faster past the body. Again, I'm not sure. I wouldn't call these caveats if I was sure. I want to be honest, even if it makes me sound stupid.
This move will, however, create more balance, which can add power later on because it lets you work without worrying about falling over or spinning out.
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I talked about the squeeze between the thighs in my One Leg Drill and also have a toe tap drill(Two Step Reciprocation Dingle Arm Drill) in my Turbo Encabulator and Swedish Badfish vids.
Good for you.
Does te tilted spiral enhance this toe tap? I see that all the throwers that Jaani showed, Jaani included, had the tilted spiral in their form.
I firmly believe in a tilted spiral in (almost) all shot shapes. It just makes bracing so much easier.
Thanks for the clarification sb22.
This instructor keeps saying this might be gimmicky. Starts the video saying this might not be special,don't blame him if it doesn't work, only drill option is thigh master. And if this is wrong ignore it. And then feel pressure in knees. Lots of speculation.
Man, you good?
This makes sense. I hope it helps bc my brace is the main thing I struggle with.
I don't know if it does, but it helped me.
I think it's a result of the weight shift transferring to the front leg and the brace being so sound that it fully stops the momentum and sends it back the other way resulting in you having to catch yourself with the back toe
Was gonna comment almost exactly this. It prevents the thrower from carrying their momentum over the brace leg (which requires thigh abduction) by making them contract the thigh muscles the opposite way (adduction).
Exactly. This is what I teach in the video.
Thanks doc. 😊 A bit awkward at first, but for me it
eliminates that pesky falling back on the coil. Also seems to create a little more arm speed and power.
Thanks again!.
Nice, thanks! Then it seems to work for you!
@@dgspindoctor keep you posted..
inner thighs got a little more of a workout today, I can feel that. Which should add to muscle memory next time around.
Just like my upper arms after changing to throwing the disc. Lol
@@datrucksdavea2080 Good, it means you're finding the right move!
There are usually two kinds of bracing with the vertical up and down using gravity and weight to generate their power and then of course the linear or horizontal brace with the more glide out footway out pushing back brace So the vertical like exampled ⬆️⬇️ and horizontally ⬅️➡️ so the momentum transferring back through the body when done powerfully definitely could create that energy release to come out the other leg in the opposite direction
Someone's been watching Overthrow. And yea, while I think there is a lot more to bracing than thinking about two "different" types of bracing, that is the simple way of thinking about it. OT put me in the bracket of vertical bracers, but in reality there is always a combo of the two (and more). You can't push back without pushing up (we are, after all, standing on the ground) and vice versa (we are moving laterally).
@@dgspindoctor haha I may have been 😂 but my original post was already long enough but you’re definitely right the combo of two or more is much more prominent in your throw than out of GG he is super way up top thrower. So I guess now that I’m saying it “out loud” your posture or whoever’s may also be an obvious factor on getting the toe bounce. I do this but I’m so over my toes because I did toe drag and was “slowing” my rotation because, I didn’t fully commit to my brace yet. Now that I do commit and trust that I’m not gonna fall on my butt, but still mind (don’t toe drag),I get a little toe air tap 😂
I'm in my sixties but have been an athlete most of my life. I've been trying reverse grip, loos grip, tight grip. slow walk up fast walk up, slow run up, fast run up. Brace, bracing, brace and pivot on the front foot. PHEWWW! Trying different discs, plastic and weights! My game is more inconsistent on the drives but I am throwing longer, Just not always where I'm aiming! LOL Thanks for all the tips and advise! I would love to have a private lesson with you. I'm sure you could help me get better. I've been serous playing the last two years. I'm playing tournaments and in two leagues.
It sounds like you are a perfect coach in the making. That is precisely what I've been doing since I realised I will never learn to play.
Haven’t tried it yet but this is plausible to me. seems to me that maybe this keeps the knee in position for the strong brace, which, as you say in the video also protects the knee. Anytime we can activate more muscles to contribute to the throw, I think we can predict there will be positive results.
Also…nice way to tie it in to an entertaining throwback!
Barella mentions how he brings his knees together in a video.
Kinda. But not really. He says "knees together" but won't tell how.
Which video?
@pisteville7797 A video by Paul Ulibarri. Barela doesn't say to pull the knees together, but to hold a straight line. But I believe this is what the comment talked about...? ua-cam.com/video/z74baYZ0-BI/v-deo.html&ab_channel=PaulUlibarri
Thanks, I definitely stride too long. Something ill try next fw session
@@dgspindoctor yes, that's the video.
i like to do this alot with forehand throws, feels like the toe play gives me better balance and more strenght to leg when stopping the runup !
You sir are a genius... maybe... I've been following Trebuchet a bit to and his take on the one leg drill combined with the Thighmaster might be gold. Thanks Jaani
Wow, thanks! As I stated before, I don't really think I invented anything, ever. I either learn by listening to others or provide you with knowledge I consider to be public domain.
@@dgspindoctor Definitely not a gimmick its intentionally Pulling the rear leg onto the axis of rotation set by the rear leg counterweight!
Look up Scottie Schefler, he is doing the same movement in ball golf and doing great.
Okay fine. I'll have to keep thinking of more gimmicky moves. I also want to make a video titled: "This one trick got me from 550 to 650 in 10 minutes".
Hell yeah, ThighMaster! My aunt had one of those way back in the day.
Classic. Money well spent!
Her nephew might also have bought a TotalGym 1000 in the mid 2000’s. Shopping channels are the devil. Anyway, I went out and tried this. I found that the extra contraction - so to speak - generated additional power, but it made my timing change. I am not very good, so that is to be expected. I had one throw with an understable Comet that went out of the field and into the nearby empty residential road. Good to get some sprints in.
@@ContentsMayDiffer I'm trying to figure out a Sauna Pants move, but no luck so far. AbTronic would come easy.
@@dgspindoctor There could be an argument to use those kits that you could attach to muscles and get pecs, abs and what not while you were sitting on the couch. Just attach them to the muscles that are responsible for throwing and put it on full force. Most people nowadays have no idea what contractions those things can do if you're not prepared.
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@@ContentsMayDiffer I'm down for getting muscles without working out.
I think this helped me feel the brace for the first time! Thank you.
That's BIG! Nice work!
I recently started getting a bit more distance by thinking about letting the trailing foot come forward behind the brace foot, and not swinging around early. This sounds like a stronger version of a similar move, I look forward to trying it.
Absolutely, good call!
If anything, this should prevent me from taking too wide a step which leaks a lot of power from my throw I think. I should have a more consistent weight shift doing this.
Same. I keep telling myself shorter brace step. My body doesn't listen though.
that back leg getting out also is like a counter balance
Exactly!
I’ve been watching you for a while I’m only now realizing you could do a wonderful Christopher walken impression if you practiced
Haha, well I might have to try that out. Thanks for the idea!
@@dgspindoctor Walken up the Teepad video please!
This is interesting. I came up with this technique to keep my plant foot 90 degrees. I had problems with "duck stance" and planting with open foot. So i did the same thing but for a different purpose.
Excellent! I was about to make this video almost a year ago to point out that problem with feet, but my form was so off that day I decided to discard it and then forgot about it until now.
@@dgspindoctor haha please do it so i can send to some friends who needs it :)
Love your content! Keep up the awesome work.
Back toe tip disc golf 😁
I'll take it.
You know... I've been trying to learn how to brace and was messing around the other day and I noticed my toe hit the ground and it never does... the throw felt good but I didn't know that was a good feeling to try and achieve... so I shall try!
Maybe it was this?
@@dgspindoctorWell hard to say but the fact that I felt that makes me very curious. I was trying a lot of different hip movements so I can’t really recall however in the next few days I’ll try and test it.
@@dgspindoctor After a little testing, it seems like I can make it happen when thinking about throwing my weight into my right hip. I couldn't quite figure out how to push my legs together... But when throwing my weight into my hip (this is just how it feels) it seems to make this happen every-time.
@@novapunkx If it works, it works! Good!
@@dgspindoctor So I should practice that a little and try to make that permanent? I know you are going to give me advice without seeing my form but I promise I won't get mad if I still suck lol
Next fieldwork session I'm thigh mastering!
Should I kegal too? (Joking)
I got improvement by not looking forward and keeping shoulders closed, letting arm fly past body!
I always forget about the head when I throw, but it's the first thing I check when I have students... That's why I coach and don't play.
Paige pierce toe taps as well
My back toe taps like this, but I barely throw the disc 400 feet on a good drive 😢
The brace is, sadly, not everything there is to a good backhand.
@@dgspindoctor Agreed. My pull through needs a lot of work as my disc plane leaves a lot to be desired. My nose angle is another issue that needs to be corrected. Love your videos.
@@epb0394 Some day, it will all click.
This reminds me of loopghosts "sit and squeeze" where he puts some emphasis on squeezing the knees together - though he seemed more focussed on that as part of the stride/going into the brace and not after the brace. ua-cam.com/video/pleUjYKwf0g/v-deo.htmlsi=5Co4EaT9IBmRJf5D
Another pro that has this beautiful brace form is Kyle Klein
Oh, absolutely. One of the most beautiful.
Climo and Clavin, I've seen do this.
Climo, I'm not so sure he did. He more or less let the leg swing behind him freely.
Regardless, both are pretty okay at throwing the thing.
If it doesn’t work, at least I’ll get ninja turtle thighs 😂
It a win win
Wait till he finds out about pronating and supinating the feet to kickstart the kinetic chain and transfer more power from the glutes.
Wow, sarcastic guy from the back row?
@@dgspindoctor Huh? I'm being serious. I'm reading biomechanics right now. The move you are doing in this video is kind of the opposite of horse stance that i cant remember what its called, its a power stance in many cultures.
Nice! Here's looking forward to your coaching channel on disc golf!
I think if you were providing a serious response it would be more than "wait until he finds out about X" - instead of just explaining X, which might be something he wants to know. Or at least invite a discussion about X if he already knows about it. Your statement reads as a coy comment, and presumes ignorance on the person you're talking about, so you shouldn't be surprised when it's not taken seriously, especially by the person you've targeted.
Thank you Nick.
I’ve been thinking about this and how to start building it in. Curiously is Kat Mertsch’s form an over exaggerated form of this?
I don't see bracing in Kat Mertsch's form. She basically walks through her shots without bracing.
@@dgspindoctor darn. lol
Over exaggeration works good for me as a learning technique, any thoughts on how to achieve that with this idea?
Stand feet apart. Pull the back leg to your front as fast as possible using the inner thigh muscles. There you have it. Or you can call the number shown in the ad and order your ThighMaster to get the sexy legs you always dreamed of.
@@dgspindoctor bahahahah!! Clearly this was too simple of a concept and I was trying to complicate it :)
Oh, they all are a lot simpler than we first think.
Where do you Show what tot do
Hmmm... that you'll have to find out yourself.
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Word gonna try and mimic
Do it!
Thinking about this from a physics perspective it kinda makes sense that the toe tap puts more force into the throw.
When you toetap, you move mass closer to the rotational axis, and this will increase the speed of rotation. If keeping the arm close makes a difference this should too. 🤔
I believe the toe tap is nothing, but the leg moving forward increases the forward mass while the legs hitting together stops the mass more profoundly.
I looked at some more Eagle drives in slowmo and if you compare his power pocket position with the throw out position it is quite clear that his entire left thigh has moved from far out to be exactly on the rotational axis.
You probably need the thighmaster move to get into position. But I would guess that the straightening of the leg is something that adds power 🤔
The leg is in the air as the disc starts going forward, so I doubt it adds anything to straighten it...other than balance.
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I’ve been telling people who say never to drag the rear foot to just watch the pros and shut up for a long time.
Yea, there are two kinds of drags though. But I agree.
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I disagree 100%. First of all, it only happens sometimes. If you look at my videos where I am all over the place since I'm a noob, I sometimes tap the ground. In my mind it is merely a reaction from exploding at the power pocket. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. It's a knee-jerk reaction of the body, nothing more.
For me it happens 100% of the times, and only when I apply this technique.
@@dgspindoctorMaybe you have put it in your mind... Eh... Eh... Eh... 😜 I can't see how it is a biproduct of better form when it only happens sometimes.
I am experimenting still even though I told myself to stop. I can't stop. But one thing I have learned is.... I put way to much emphasize on trying to do a "thing" instead of just fucking ripping it.
The secret is to rip it as hard as you can, as relaxed as you can. The body will do whatever it wants. Obviously this is easier to say for some than others. I've always been very athletic playing all types of sports growing up. But in the end, you have to trust the body.
Sharing cues can help. But you can't do more than that. People have to figure it out on their own.
@@dgspindoctorA personal example.
I can hit 68mph on standstill, but when I miss the explosion of my back, I think I fire too early, it drops to 60mph. That little mistake lost a lot of energy.
It is all timing and learning when to fire. And only you can learn that. No one can tell you when.
But I have to say I am glad you mentioned Eagle. Because in my unprofessional opinion, he is far superior than anyone else in the pro league. No one can throw as fast as him. It's a fact. He throws faster x step then Wiggins throws 360.
The question is. Is Eagle doing something no one else does, or is he just a genetic anomaly.
@@dgspindoctorThinking about it and my own feels... I think it is only a reaction of the body feeling it is falling (edit) backward or wanting to push forward or out somehow.
Which is kinda what you are explaing here. You are trying to push forward, so your body compensates by stretching the leg. But you're not adding any power, you're just forcing a reaction to a problem you yourself caused.
Are you saying your right leg should be pushing / squeezing towards your back leg?
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
so you are teaching back leg toe tap disc golf now eh?
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