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XRT Tuned 2019 Subaru Legacy 3.6R Review - A Breath Of Fresh Air!
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- My thoughts on the 2019 Subaru Legacy 3.6R with the 3.6L flat 6 engine and CVT!
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Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
1:18 - Engine / Transmission / XRT Tune
5:25 - Interior
7:21 - BFB Test
7:33 - Interior
8:08 - Back Seats
8:55 - Trunk / Cargo Space
9:25 - Exterior
9:56 - Final Thoughts
11:44 - Outro
Very nice indeed. We are soon getting ready to tune a Supercharged Gen 6. We will see how the CVT holds up. Tuner and owner of XRT (Xtreme Racing Tuning)
Should be interesting raptor says you are looking at 402bhp with their supercharger (with their headers and a full exhaust)
How is the CVT holding up? Curious as I wanna tune my legacy 3.6r. Thanks!
Requesting update lol
How were the 4th gear pulls? loll
@edwardmillington7611 any update you've got for us?
I'll never understand why Subaru never got around to putting boost into the flat 6s. They really could've been JDM porsche
Their 3.0 out of the Tribeca was partially built by Porsche
I've seen a few builds here and there and basically the conclusion is that it wouldn't get much farther than the boosted 4 cylinders they already had on tap.
Having said that it's a shame they're no longer building those flat 6s, as they're probably the most reliable branch of engines they made, save for some that liked to drink oil.
@@chrisb.banick6720 It wasnt, its a silly urban legend that robs subaru of credit for their own engine.
@Kacpa2 if it was the something to give credit for it would still be driving their suvs and wagons today but the FB and FA has surpassed anything subaru has done in last 30 years and I feel like they don't get any credit for finally canning the EJ platform. Yes it was built by subaru but everything about that specific engine screams Porsche
@@chrisb.banick6720 : not so
I love six-cylinder Subarus so much
Regarding interior and the backseat, I've actually had a lot of compliments on the bench seating on my 2013. It's def firmer, but i think the seat "height" gives passengers a more postured feeling vs sunk in.
Blue + bronze, so classic. Unfortunately just as Subaru figured out how to build a good engine that doesn't blow up they went to the CVT dark side. Imagine if, starting 15 years ago, Subaru leaned more into their rally heritage and made sporty models of their cars (and gave the WRX the attention its been lacking). This car would really wake up with a dual-clutch and some tight suspension. Subaru's 3.6 six and various turbo models have a cult following because it's so easy to get power out of them and they drive decently well. Subaru missed their chance.
CVT's are cheap and good for fuel economy. Which most people care more about.
Missed their chance at what exactly? Their sales exploded since they switched to CVTs. The average person cares way more about fuel economy than what the transmission feels like, and the fake shifts are convincing enough for most. Get a manual if you want something sporty.
you know that Subaru has been going with the CVT since 1989 LOL it's been around forever
The new Legacy are meh, even my 1998 Subaru B4 Rsk is faster than this slug. Automatic car are the worse and good luck to find someone who wants to fix an automatic transmission.
@@skippylegrandgourou2069 You're trying to compare an older, lighter car that has 276 hp against a newer car that is ehavier and has fewer hp. No duh it'll be faster.
But, if you put an automatic in the 1998 Subaru B4 Rsk, it would become even faster.
This is TR690 CVT transmission their oldest but the most reliable CVT transmission of Subaru in fact this was still the CVT transmission of the NEW WRX 2022 with oem cooler
for upgrade you could add a CVT cooler to protect it from heat i have one for my 2014 Subaru Forester XT using a Hayden transmission cooler
Bought an outback with the 3.6 as the family hauler and it's worked great in that role, but it bugged me the otherwise unique sounding engine is muted most of the time, and even when it's a bit louder after 3.5K revs, it's still too darn quiet. The replacement family hauler we got (an Odyssey with a J35 V6) is actually louder when revs climb, which I find hilarious. I do love the EZ36, it's very smooth and it fits the character of the outback really well. Going from a frenetic manual hot hatch daily driver to this is exactly what I wanted for being stuck in and dealing with city traffic.
Now relieved of it's family hauling duties and just being the dad car, I have no intention of tuning it, but am looking for an excuse to give it a slightly less muted exhaust. Those pulls you filmed from the inside of the car where helpful in confirming the idea of what I want.
This as a wagon with a 6MT would be EVERYTHING i want in a daily.
It exists. 3.0R h6 4th gen Legacy had Spec B variant in europe, japan and australia with 6mt from sti(without dccd). It is possible to swap it relatively easily. People also swapped 3.6 engine into Spec B's sometimes.
For me I want a outback wilderness with DCCD and six spd manual 🫡
@@Kacpa2 it has been done, but its far from easy.
You want TQ? My 2007 Spec.b with Cobb access port, downpipe with high flow cat, boost controller on the factory turbo, and wastegate + Mach V Motorsports tune made 335WHTQ. Which is over 400FWTQ. People like to bash on the EJ but done right they are reliable in modded form.
Would've been cool to have a 6 cylinder Subaru with a manual, I can't stand driving CVTs or any auto in general
I had a 1994 Subaru svx which I manual swapped and awd. I’ll probably do the same to the legacy I’m going to buy
@@pixlm8ker how hard was that? shame they didn’t even do manual 6 cylinders back then
@@bradyg499 I did it myself about 20 years ago. The hardest part was swapping the rear from an AWD svx since my shell was a fwd variant. Just about everything else bolted right up.
More benefit it being automatic not just from a performance standpoint but from a financial perspective etc..
subaru CVTS are great if they are tuned right. l hear thy NASCAR banned CVTs because they were too fast.
The 6 cylinder engine is great, but why would anyone pair that engine with a CVT? A six speed automatic transmission, at least would have been better, IMO.
That would have required a transmission swap, plus you’d have to custom fit it too. Subaru doesn’t do proper auto boxes anymore. (Except the BRZ, but that’s a Toyota transmission)
Might wanna manual swap this
@@XanMan_05 (there is no simple transmission swap) is more like a running gear trans /rear end swap . awd have to have the same ratio front and back,autos have different ratios...
The newer TR690 CVT is a damn smooth transmission, smoother than any other conventional automatic. With that said, it's not the most engaging obviously, and a 6mt EZ36D would be the perfect car. It was paired with the engine because it's not a performance car, but rather a comfort car
@@Dankcatvacs Oh I know that tranny swaps aren’t easy. I was just leaning more to the fact that swapping in a regular autobox could be difficult because of the lack of proper autos in Subaru’s lineup.
Nice review i got legacy 3.6r 2015, the seat not much comfortable,and the suspension needed to be upgraded ,the best I like is the power and awd iam a Subaru fan, much more confidence to drive it! Like to drive to fast
flat 6 engines make me feel something different
Not actually symmetrical! All Subaru CVT units have 60:40 awd, still plenty enough for powerslides and donuts though. (keep it on the low CVT haters will run with it) I've got a legacy myself and been eyeing the headers & tune for awhile 👀 Awesome to see in action, thanks for showcasing it!
symmetrical is referring to layout of the awd mechnical system. 60:40awd is just how much power can be split between the two axles
@@Minecrafinator ohh i took symmetrical too literally LOL, thanks for clarifying to me!
“CVT haters” you mean people with ears? Or people that like to drive? Or is it the people that like reliable drivetrain components?
@@jordov9398 I'll give you Nissan CVT's are unreliable but TR690 in Subaru's don't have many issues, I've taken mine to tarmac track days & rallycross lapping over the past 4-5 years and have the same transmission operating the same as when I got it, my motor went kaboom and the transmission is still perfect! You can look through my channel if you don't think CVT's are for people who like driving lol
Don't understand why US-built Legacy and Outback don't come with SI-Drive. You are missing out on so much with the 3.6 engine by not having SI-Drive.
I’d love to hear your thoughts are on the first gen Mazda6 with a V6 and a manual… I’ve got one in SoCal if you’re ever interested in driving it.
Email me at Pradelreviews@gmail.com or submit it to zackpradel.com/submit ! I’ll be in SoCal this summer!
Love your reviews. Shout out from New York State
Nissan ,Honda and Toyota Cvt trans driver gets about to cry they does not have fake shifting
How has MPG been affected since the tune? Still able to use regular grade gasoline?
You can request Ed @ XRT to tune for whatever fuel you wish. Many do 87+ to save $, some do 93 only for the most aggressive timing profile for the quickest feeling ramp up to power. It will also make more torque.
This cars biggest issue is nothing but the trash cvt terrible lag. But you can make it work to a degree
engine is cool but that cvt yawn not for me , at least a 6 speed auto would give you gear shifts but to me a cvt is backwards in a enthusiast perspective , a 2 speed power glide has more character.
i'd rather mob a slow car with a stick . but i see less people agree yet you can still get a stick in a crosstrek . so its just subaru playing god idk.
If the USDM Legacy/Outback came with SI-Drive, you wouldn't be bothered so much by the CVT. My 3.6 with CVT absolutely rips in S# mode. One long gear to 100kph in 6.4 seconds with zero throttle lag. Switch to Intelligent mode, and it's much better for city cruising and fuel consumption. No qualms with the CVT at all.
Hey, Zack great review of the XRT Tuned 3.6R. Can you please confirm that the exhaust is the Nameless 5" muffler and not the muffler delete version? Also, the car looks lowered, but just the right amount. Is it on lowering springs or coil-overs and which ones? Lastly where did Jonathan get the red R on the trunk lid? Thanks and keep up the great reviews..
I drive one. The fun is there.
Mine was tuned by a subaru worker also
The airbox has a k&n too.
( 2015 legacy subaru bosal mufflers) wrx resonator and cat was taken off and replaced with wrx short cat. So it all sound a little louder than stock.
its sad that those were only automatics with the F6 engine :(
26oz huge bottle? Just get a 32oz Basecamp Tumbler, increase your capacity of drink, and it fits in both of the Legacy 3.6R Limited cupholders just fine without being obstructive.
Great video. I'm curious what model you're in? Limited maybe?
it only comes in limited if it’s a 3.6
Subaru used to have the godliest 3.0r engine. I think it was quicker. I heard that around 2010, the 3.6r was used to help with gas savings economy. The 3.0r was faster, plus the pre2010 subarus had little tech and werent weighed down with nonsense. I miss my old 3.0r legacy. My 3.6r legacy is fast, but noticably slower than my 3.0r legacy. My 3.6r gets 20mpg all day, my 3.0r literally got 16mpg.
That's a CVT transmission? It sounds like a normal transmission to me. I'm not a fan of cvts but when manufacturers can Master the CVT like that it sounds amazing unlike Nissan's CVT
I’ve got a 2019 Outback with the 2.5, if you’re really ragging on it it will do the fake shifts, but if you’re putting around town it will do the hanging thing sometimes. It’s quite unpredictable actually, not dangerously so though.
normal transmissions tend to shift though...
It’ll shift if you give it like 55% acceleration off the rip
Like great car and all but CVT transmission is really the worst. Should have a 6sp
I love my 2020 3.6 Subaru. It is charming.
I love my 2019. Beast
Can you please do a 2012 Mazda CX-9
I don't think torque gets lost in the drivetrain like power does. You might want to check into that. It probably loses something, but not 10+ percent
This Subaru is fantastic.
What octane was it tuned to? 93AKI?
I unfortunately had my 2014 Legacy 2.5 premium totaled when someone ran a stop sign recently. Even with 120K I loved that car and it had more years left. But I just found a 2019 Legacy 3.6R limited with under 30K, and in superb condition. Any suggestions on finding someone to tune my car? I live in the Houston suburbs if anyone can advise or point to a forum. Thanks
Xrt is the only 3.6R tuner that I’m aware of. I believe they are in Australia, so it’s tuned remotely, but they will walk you through the process and get you setup with hardware to do it. They’ll start you with a base tune, then you’ll need to log data, send it to them and they’ll customize the tune based on that.
Are those XXR 559's? That's what I have on my 3.6R
What mid pipe did he use, from the Raptor Headers, to the catback, eg between the headers and Catback, it’s a twin mid pipe out from the headers to the catback exhaust, I’m having trouble finding a replacement, on my EZ30R, I currently run Raptor headers (stainless) to a steel custom made mid pipes (CL deletes) as could t find an option, that then mates to the stainless catback (XF) and I hate it, it’s raspy and loud as fck, car needs a retune. The Raptor headers def add more torque look great and are well made. But the mid pipe and I can’t find a a Subi 6 cylinder option on Nameless site, let alone a dual mid pipe option from anyone. Any help guys would be appreciated cheers.
This 3.6R is what I’d like mine to be more like in terms of sound loudness, mine seriously gives STI drivers and V8 drivers the cringe it’s more like a full on track race car sound but has a raspyness I hate, just not that smooth sound ya get from an Invidia or this Nameless
LOL, a CVT trying to emulate gear shifts. It has the worst of both worlds.
Should see if you can find someone with a tuned 3.6 with the 5eat
I’ve got a 2010 w/5eat, tuned by xrt. It is far better than the cvt.
how fast is the 0-60
My seat ripped in same spot.
.. wait you can modify the 3.6? hmm
What type of tune was done?
ECU reflash street tune I have this on my 11 legacy 3.6 the older ones like mine have a better transmission & it's Not a CVT.
what does bfb mean? i just found your channel
BFB means “big friggin bottle”. I test every car I review with the same large water bottle to see if it will fit in the cup holders! Every car review from 2021 on has the test!
@@ShootingCars you should do a wrx my 2017 if your ever in fl
Also how much horse power to crank
250..
@@trilliamogdlocog4986 not with the tune. You get the 250 at the wheels with the tune.
Send tuner name! I got a 2016
Would be even better if there wasn’t a cvt in it.
1, the 3.6 was made in the late 2000s.
2, the owner obvously had to put at least 3k in it to get somewhat of a decent power rating. They are not quick at all stock.
3, i own a 2011 3.6, its not fast. A civic could beat it without mods.
I dunno man. I've been itching to line up my 14 3.6R Limited Legacy and out 17 WRX 6MT that's stage 2+ tuned. I'm sure the WRX is quicker as it puts down about 300whp, but the 3.6R pulls and is no slouch. This Legacy doesn't feel like I'm reaming it out to get up to 80 pretty quick, where the FA20 DIT does feel like you're just pushing it hard to do the same thing. But that's the difference between a small displacement turbo vs a large displacement N/A motor.
What are you talking about? My completely stock 2019 Outback 3.6R in S# mode does the 0-100kph sprint in 6.4 seconds. The WRX does it in 6.1 seconds, largely in part due to the weight difference. It's a pretty damn good package out of the box.
Using EyeSight Hold mode as a poor-mans Launch Control, it absolutely rips off the line and thanks to not needing to change gears, and beats a lot of manual transmission cars in the process at the Traffic Light GP.
@@HyRax_Aus I have a 2015 legacy 3.6r, can you elaborate on the eyesight hold mode? I’ve never heard about this before
@@manlamaMC I should really refer to it as Adaptive Cruise Mode hold, but more people seem to get it when you refer to EyeSight.
Anyway, it's when you enable ACC, are fully stopped and set a cruise speed. Hold mode engages which allows you to get off the brake pedal because the car is holding the brake for you. You can now hover over the throttle pedal and instantly mash it when the light turns green while your opponent has to waste time getting off the brake pedal and then onto the throttle.
Thus, a poor man's launch control.
@@jamesg8246 I completely agree. I just sold my 2005 GT wagon(manual), I had bored the block and decked heads, bigger pistons(putting more low end, and higher compression), still stock turbo location, anyway, full pro tune and made 330whp, 325ftlbs, the car ripped. My wife has a 2017 outback 3.6r. The outback feels like an absolute tank in corners, handling, but man off the line, and 35mph-80mph its pretty damn quick! Honestly impressive for stock I feel.
Too bad these are pretty nose heavy.
"not not bad" so bad? hahahaha
5” exhaust system or muffler cuz that would be retarded on a NA vehicle
I have a blue 2011 3.6 R and less than 55,000 miles.
My 2015 has 135k!!! How u liking yours???
@@RyanJosephh love it, not fast but fun
Odd sounding flat 6... a lot more like a V6 than my Cayman.
Very different design. Narrow cam angle, lower revving, lower compression, different header design even with the Raptor headers
@@sleeper.simulant7327 Yeah, just surprising it sounds so much like a V6 when Subaru’s flat 4s sound nothing like an inline 4. I’ve driven a stock 3.6R Outback and the induction noise inside the cabin was distinctly more flat 6 sounding than this car from what I remember.
@@Xaluber an inline 4 with an unequal header placed where pulses from cylinder collide with sound just like an older WRX or STi. I’ll post a video link for proof. Header design makes the biggest difference generally.
@@Xaluber ua-cam.com/video/W8TpQkUYTCk/v-deo.html
@@sleeper.simulant7327 I was actually talking about the newer Subarus which all have equal length headers, minus the STI. My BRZ sounded very different from from any inline 4 car I’ve driven.
Any body who thinks that subaru cvt is bad.... their automatic are just as bad. Pieces of clunky cheap junk.
cvt *vomit face emoji* LMFAO!!!
Is it AWD ?
AWD is standard on all subarus for many years now, outside of the BRZ.
someone isn't a car guy and it shows :P lol
Sounds like a Porsche
The Subaru H-6 heads are a Porsche design .
@@youtuber5709 where is the reference?
@@mordys6305 the VVL system in the 2nd gen engine was designed and licensed from Porsche , i read it in a subaru forum a few years ago can't remember which one , but if you google it i'm sure you can find it .
Sounds like a Porsche.
Is it cvt ??
If it cvt while you keep in manual how many speed you have ???
Nice car, love it, and thanks for the review.