You must be kidding. The engine is made in the US where it is put in a Corvette-a legitimate sports car that challenges Ferrari and Porsche. Here they put it in a family sedan.
Of course not power-to-weight ratio-corvette aerodynamics- corvette low centre of gravity- corvette braking performance- corvette handling (see above)- corvette Ability to take a baby seat - commodore GM Australia, nailing it 🤣
incorrect information. The VL Group A made its (Australian) public racing debut at the 1988 Oran Park 250 in the hands of privateer Garry Willmington some 2 weeks before the Sandown 500. Sandown was only the debut of the factory team cars.
Pretty fair assessment on both cars I thought,for me the walky will always be remembered for beating the horde of euro cars at the mountain in 1990 with Gricey and Win Percy behind the wheel,Id happily take a W1 in panorama silver..
Il always remember living in oz from '98-2001...and the love for the commodore and falcon v8s. You beauty!!!...in the UK. .we just had our 2.0 litres with a turbo....!!! We imported a few sedans as well as the monaros. They are future classics! Watch the rust....as the British climate kills cars quicker over here !
Put the HDT VK Group A Commodore on instead. In 1985 it was pumping 197kw out of a 4.9L carby all Aussie 304 V8, more than the VL Group A. Also the HDT VL Director (never realeased due to Brocks bust up with Holden) was pumping a 5.6 Litre Aussie carby HDT-enhanced stroker V8 231kW. They were the real Aussie special vehicles in my opinion. RIP Brocky
I'd take the VL in a heart beat. Despite having less than half the power, it would be a much more exciting drive. Brothers mate recently sold one for around 150k, only had 80,000km on the clock.
Agreed. I’ve got tuned length extractors and a twin 2.5 system on my VS Statesman. It may not be quick as everyone else ( it’s a classy cruiser, not a race car) but it’s the best exhaust note I’ve ever heard 👍
Who backs Holden again GM. Who shut the doors GM. There would be no Holden if it weren't for who, GM.Please stop taking credit for American engineering. Who in Australia has designed or engineered what? They were chosen to assemble cars, they do it in Mexico too
@@josephmcintyre752 it feels so good to finally find someone saying what I've been saying for years. There was no Australian cars, there was no Australian manufacturers. There were GM and Ford subsidiaries though.
@@aproductofboredom I'm not knocking the Australian brethren, I just don't get why the act like the car is not a CHEVY, sold & marketed there. With all that said, I wish GM chose to sell the versions they have here. Don't know why they don't try to get a portion of marked DOMINATED by Chrysler 300's & Dodge Chargers. I'm 43 & I'd love an attractive 5 passenger RWD, V8 car. I'm a Chevy man. If the Chrysler 300 was a GM product, I'd be SALIVATING over it.
The VL was a very basic car that only needed to homologate the body kit and basic engine bits (4 bolt block, heads,and intake manifold). Nothing else mattered, hence the small brakes, wheels, and FE2 suspension, etc) Funnily enough, after all the work developing that intake system, the rules changed, and most went to the slide throttle intake in the race cars.
Fair assessment, but I wonder if there would be any difference if the VL was built with a supercharged 6.2 litre. They would probably be the exact same car.
comparo? I'm not going to drive it hard? (VL) Plus the guy who bought the vl back in 88 could drive it a lot harder on the road than you ever will with the vf. The cops will see to that. the age we live in is shit
I have a 2010 Holden sv6 VE SIDI 3.6ltr direct injection black sedan... sad to see Holden die down. Btw don't hold on to your VT commodore but do on the VF VE VR VS and TR sedans 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
The VL was replaced by the VN which was replaced by the VR which was replaced by the VS which was replaced by the VT which was replaced by the VX which was replaced by the VY which was replaced by the VZ which was replaced by the VE which was replaced by the VF which is what the GTSR w1 is.
I am so glad they didnt do what some people are suggesting here should have could have bla bla bla rb30 turbo etc. Its (the vl) is perfect as it is. Nothing like the sound of an Aussie V8.
The end to Australian made cars is ultimately our own fault as consumers. If we don't have enough people buying the product, it won't sell and becomes unviable to produce.
Yuck Foutube the government bail-out of Holden was a one-off payment which didn't even stay in Australia - it went to GM in the US as an "inter-company loan" to help pay off GM''s crippling debt, which was affecting Holden's financial performance. As for being the fault of the workers and the buying public don't forget the role the then-PM Tony Abbott had in destroying the entire Australian motoring industry (and not just Holden) with his pathological hatred of the unions.
Vinny V the Commodore was sold in the US though. Parr of the problem was Australia was always given a lower priority in terms of global position by GM; for instance, there used to be a market for the Statesman in the Middle East until GM ruled it was interfering with Cadillac sales, so GM stopped Holden from selling it there and limited them to just the Commodore, as there was no equivalent US-sourced model. That was the same in other international markets too.
It actually was. It was built by HSV under contract to Holden. It pre-dated the SV88 (which is often mistaken as the first HSV) by about 2 months. The SV88, again based on the VL Commodore, came with a de-tuned version (136 kw) of the 5.0L V8.
It would be nice if the GTSR W1 didn’t have a STUPID electronic speed governor limiting it to 155mph... *WHY??* This isn’t BMW, Audi or Mercedes, you know!
The VL is a bucket of shit. A nice first car if you left High School in the 90's but to want to own one now you'd have to still be smoking weed from the 90's.
Ford went out with a whimper as was allways expected after playing catch up for decades, leaving Holden as the keeper of the performance flame. An awesome machine that ford would never be able to build because they simply turned out bland half arsed efforts with stripes using the same old names like pursuit and cobra to Appeal to there fan base but none were real drivers cars or had even a tenth of the development that went into the w1.
Danoz Danoz. Nobody gives a rats arse about your turbo shit ya clown. You ford morons have ZERO to be proud of. The boss motors were a wheezing gutless shitheap and even ford diehards know it which is they are shunned. So as usual trolling around in these videos is a bara boy or a typhoon try hard. Fpv was a pissweak attempt at trying to make money on the back of Hdt hsv, because without them fpv would NEVER have been thought of. Even Alan whinging Moffat trued to jump on that wagon in the 80 s while brock was developing his cars Moffat came out with such gems as the Xc Moffat DEALER pack.
@Jimmy Valentine VF AND VE are not ugly While the cars are big they ain't fat and ugly. On other hand fords made in similar time frames look like fat ugly shit that actuly look slow. Theres reason Holden won the most at Bathurst, Holden engines are made better, built faster and have the reliability of a Toyota Ford can eat shit
Because much like with the Barra 4.0 in the falcon vs the 5.4 Modular V8, the V8 was positioned as the premium product and, I imagine, was also more expensive to buy. While it didn't make as much power, it was at least a Holden engine and not an enhanced Nissan engine, which I guess was not only important for the brand but also for their loyal (or potential) customer base.
cazzo fantastico could have would have should have aye. There is no substitute for the spund of an Aussie V8 so glad they didn't do what you are sugesting. Want a turbo 6 get a skyline gts-t or a gtr. its awesome as it is.
How dare you speak negative comments about the Great old Holden. You insult all old Aussie muscle cars with your negative opinion and its a crime that you even sat in the car. Never ever allow this person to drive another Holden or Aussie Ford again on your show
This must be the dumbest comparison in the entire world. Comparing a Walky from the 80's which was CAMs limited to 4.9 litres against a Supercharged 6.2 litre LS powerhouse from GM USA shoehorned into a VF commodore. Next comparison should be quarter mile performance between the GTSR W1 and a Top Fuel dragster.
Where does the power level stop, 1000 hp on the street???? Ludicrous,ridiculous and just insane..These power levels should only be allowed on the track only in my view...
I owned a walkinshaw in my youth, thought it was the best! Grew up and now own other super cars and realize it was a bucket of shit! Didn't go, didn't handle, couldn't stop , terrible. All the HSV range and HDT are glorified commodores and I am amazed at ppls stupidity to pay the prices they pay for them . Today I wouldn't be seen dead in any of those stupid colored cars as an adult.
I remember drooling over the Walky in 88' as a 17 yr old. I'd still take it over the new beast.
You Aussies are lucky to have this beast. I wish they imported this in US as well. BTW love the '14-'17 Chevy SS (Commodore VF)
Our country has built some amazing machines
Yes, it's a shame that is going to stop.
You must be kidding. The engine is made in the US where it is put in a Corvette-a legitimate sports car that challenges Ferrari and Porsche. Here they put it in a family sedan.
Of course not
power-to-weight ratio-corvette
aerodynamics- corvette
low centre of gravity- corvette
braking performance- corvette
handling (see above)- corvette
Ability to take a baby seat - commodore
GM Australia, nailing it 🤣
Well, the VL has the Holden V8, and Aussie engine.
I see a toss bag here who thinks he knows his shit cause he reads it on the internet
Used the same footage of him driving the GTSR W1 as you did in the GTSR W1 vs BMW M6 video, lol
as much as the new car might be amazing id still rather the vl
Blake Whitehouse VL is a lot more street able haha
Blake Whitehouse ive got a vl exec and its just lovely to drive even unrestored as of now. Absolutely amazing
I'm more of a Ford fan, but yes, I would rather own that VL Commodore.
you can have it
They cost about the same.
Love the comments about people’s new cars outpowering the VL. What about in 1988?
incorrect information. The VL Group A made its (Australian) public racing debut at the 1988 Oran Park 250 in the hands of privateer Garry Willmington some 2 weeks before the Sandown 500. Sandown was only the debut of the factory team cars.
I was a 16 year old at Oran Park that weekend in 88, and remember that car..(sounded odd with the crossover exhaust, and had engine dramas)
Pretty fair assessment on both cars I thought,for me the walky will always be remembered for beating the horde of euro cars at the mountain in 1990 with Gricey and Win Percy behind the wheel,Id happily take a W1 in panorama silver..
Finally, what I've been wanting to see. Need moar track drives with less talky talky, more vroom vroom.
Every Centrelink customers dream car.
😂
The first HSV car produced was the VL SV88 not the Walkinshaw.
Correct
Il always remember living in oz from '98-2001...and the love for the commodore and falcon v8s.
You beauty!!!...in the UK. .we just had our 2.0 litres with a turbo....!!!
We imported a few sedans as well as the monaros. They are future classics!
Watch the rust....as the British climate kills cars quicker over here !
You guys had easier access to top of the line Euro cars like Lotus, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini, McClaren etc.
And they salt the roads in winter - just the ticket for rusting out the suspension and underbody
@@Vinnay94yeh if you had tons of money lol.
the w1 go has the same audio as when it versed the bmw
I prefer the vl. the style and the size of the car. these modern cars are massive tanks.
Hands down in my opinion VL Commodore will always be the coolest
love the vf but the walky just looked crrrrracka nice on the track!
Put the HDT VK Group A Commodore on instead. In 1985 it was pumping 197kw out of a 4.9L carby all Aussie 304 V8, more than the VL Group A. Also the HDT VL Director (never realeased due to Brocks bust up with Holden) was pumping a 5.6 Litre Aussie carby HDT-enhanced stroker V8 231kW. They were the real Aussie special vehicles in my opinion. RIP Brocky
auspunk79 there was 8 vl directors made. I think 2 of them had the stroker. That 5.6 was a hdt option and I've seen a berlina based le with that motor
Unleaded petrol was the difference! The vl group a commodore at the time pumped out a massive 137kw........
Love them VKs. I had a Ex Chaser 84 VK 4 speed HDT worked engine that was damn quick. Any I idea how many kw and hp the Wilkanshaw VL Commodore had?
Imagine how much faster this new Holden would be if it wasnt so big if it was more the size and weight of the vl
I'd take the VL in a heart beat. Despite having less than half the power, it would be a much more exciting drive. Brothers mate recently sold one for around 150k, only had 80,000km on the clock.
I have owned and driven many a VL dunnydoor, trust me, the W1 is shitloads better. A VL Walkinshaw would get massacred by a Hyundai i30N.
ZR1's engine is just a masterpiece
To drive that VL HSV 😍😍 I had a 87 Berlina 😍
I still have an 86 Berlina, daily drive, 540,000kms.... and counting :)
Finally, a test where they driver wasn't a tosser who just wanted to drift the cars around the track, good job Luke.
The Holden V8 is still a bloody great sounding engine.
Agreed. I’ve got tuned length extractors and a twin 2.5 system on my VS Statesman. It may not be quick as everyone else ( it’s a classy cruiser, not a race car) but it’s the best exhaust note I’ve ever heard 👍
Holden doesn't have engines.They are CHEVYS built in Australia with better looking badges
Who backs Holden again GM. Who shut the doors GM. There would be no Holden if it weren't for who, GM.Please stop taking credit for American engineering. Who in Australia has designed or engineered what? They were chosen to assemble cars, they do it in Mexico too
@@josephmcintyre752 it feels so good to finally find someone saying what I've been saying for years. There was no Australian cars, there was no Australian manufacturers. There were GM and Ford subsidiaries though.
@@aproductofboredom I'm not knocking the Australian brethren, I just don't get why the act like the car is not a CHEVY, sold & marketed there. With all that said, I wish GM chose to sell the versions they have here. Don't know why they don't try to get a portion of marked DOMINATED by Chrysler 300's & Dodge Chargers. I'm 43 & I'd love an attractive 5 passenger RWD, V8 car. I'm a Chevy man. If the Chrysler 300 was a GM product, I'd be SALIVATING over it.
Ls9 was in corvette zr1 in 2009 going back in time here
Holden well and truly over rated
That VL is 10x better than the W1 in terms of looks.
Incorrect.
do you smoke weed?
Mad street cred
Genetically Superior 👍VL is also Ten times more valuable. maybe.
Just had a dream that someone would let me drive their VL walkinshaw .
I’m surprised that the VL HSV only had 180kw. How many many Killowats and hp did the Wilkanshaw VL have?
Solid, kiwi a massive fan of the group A road going race cars,they Rock 👌
beautiful Australian cars and I am a ford man but this is the end.
Fully sick vl turbo
elmin2323 naturally aspirated v8
elmin2323 nah put a LS1 motor in it. itle fly
Chuck the VN group A and a group 3 VH in there and you’ll have my dream set! 🤤
The VL was a very basic car that only needed to homologate the body kit and basic engine bits (4 bolt block, heads,and intake manifold). Nothing else mattered, hence the small brakes, wheels, and FE2 suspension, etc) Funnily enough, after all the work developing that intake system, the rules changed, and most went to the slide throttle intake in the race cars.
do you mean 8 individual throttle bodies?
What iconic Aussie cars
Fair assessment, but I wonder if there would be any difference if the VL was built with a supercharged 6.2 litre. They would probably be the exact same car.
Would’ve loved to have picked up a VL when they were cheaper.
Should try a modified bt1 turbo. But it would embarrass the ls
Agree, the VL looks the business
holden were really onto something special with the vl
Why was it not put head to Head With the Vs Gtsr? ( at least for namesake ) ...
Because they said it was a comparison between the first and last HSVs based on the commodore
"last HSV performance product based on a commodore".... so HSV will continue?
it will just based on whatever GM gives them, like the new rebaged commodore in 2018
hope they will still build this awseome cars with the new cars from chevy
probably be are Awd instigma hsv . with 400kw 6 cylinder twin turbo
Hsv are doing the camaro, silverado, sportscat
Nah!
I'll take the walky any day
Rooster you must've had a lobotomy
The SV VL was the first HSV.
Correct the SV88
comparo? I'm not going to drive it hard? (VL) Plus the guy who bought the vl back in 88 could drive it a lot harder on the road than you ever will with the vf. The cops will see to that. the age we live in is shit
Bloody Beautiful
I own a Tuned Vl BT1 and a Vf gts R
Why drive the VF first ??
I have a 2010 Holden sv6 VE SIDI 3.6ltr direct injection black sedan... sad to see Holden die down. Btw don't hold on to your VT commodore but do on the VF VE VR VS and TR sedans 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Black 2010 sv6 would have been sufficient
makes the vl look like a mini, power-wise
Torques big in both of them tho
It's sad to see them go
Well it's 30 years that's a very long time for new developments
The VL was replaced by the VN which was replaced by the VR which was replaced by the VS which was replaced by the VT which was replaced by the VX which was replaced by the VY which was replaced by the VZ which was replaced by the VE which was replaced by the VF which is what the GTSR w1 is.
I am so glad they didnt do what some people are suggesting here should have could have bla bla bla rb30 turbo etc. Its (the vl) is perfect as it is. Nothing like the sound of an Aussie V8.
No way those vl seats are thinner than the ones in my Saturn's....
The old muscle cars(,steel bumpers) had class maybe they weren't as fast but they were still better than the new plastic fantastic ones
The VL is Immortal
Love my holdens RIP HOLDEN
typical vl one of the tail lights is blown
So much banter
Close to 200g for Holden
its based on director from Peter Brock.
What an age we live in. Where cars are no longer built in Australia. I know what I would rather.
MrBrentles
Soon it will all be made in India and China. Just the way it is
My dream car is the 1983 Brock vh commodore
Damn peeled all the way through 2nd at the end ahaha
I would like to own a 2002 VX 440kw factory 6speed manual wilkinsaw
VL still better looking than the new 1. awesome motor just little bit boring looking
@@markdenyer8072 Much like your mum!
The VS HSV GTSR would have been a much better comparison.
If only the v8 supercars sounded that good
Wish i kept mine 😢
that GTSR would be worth 600k if they didnt drive it. but of course you'd drive it!
The end to Australian made cars is ultimately our own fault as consumers. If we don't have enough people buying the product, it won't sell and becomes unviable to produce.
business costs , this country push up price of v8 . fk government
Why don't Ford and Holden start making Falcons and Commodores in America?
It's because of all the immigration. Arabs and shit like that they just drive camry, it's more like globalization, fkn disgrace
Yuck Foutube the government bail-out of Holden was a one-off payment which didn't even stay in Australia - it went to GM in the US as an "inter-company loan" to help pay off GM''s crippling debt, which was affecting Holden's financial performance. As for being the fault of the workers and the buying public don't forget the role the then-PM Tony Abbott had in destroying the entire Australian motoring industry (and not just Holden) with his pathological hatred of the unions.
Vinny V the Commodore was sold in the US though. Parr of the problem was Australia was always given a lower priority in terms of global position by GM; for instance, there used to be a market for the Statesman in the Middle East until GM ruled it was interfering with Cadillac sales, so GM stopped Holden from selling it there and limited them to just the Commodore, as there was no equivalent US-sourced model. That was the same in other international markets too.
Not sure it was the 'first' HSV...
It actually was. It was built by HSV under contract to Holden. It pre-dated the SV88 (which is often mistaken as the first HSV) by about 2 months. The SV88, again based on the VL Commodore, came with a de-tuned version (136 kw) of the 5.0L V8.
Before HSV was HDT i believe
It would be nice if the GTSR W1 didn’t have a STUPID electronic speed governor limiting it to 155mph... *WHY??* This isn’t BMW, Audi or Mercedes, you know!
The VL is a bucket of shit. A nice first car if you left High School in the 90's but to want to own one now you'd have to still be smoking weed from the 90's.
You’d have be stoned to think it looks good.
Ford went out with a whimper as was allways expected after playing catch up for decades, leaving Holden as the keeper of the performance flame. An awesome machine that ford would never be able to build because they simply turned out bland half arsed efforts with stripes using the same old names like pursuit and cobra to Appeal to there fan base but none were real drivers cars or had even a tenth of the development that went into the w1.
Danoz Danoz. Nobody gives a rats arse about your turbo shit ya clown. You ford morons have ZERO to be proud of. The boss motors were a wheezing gutless shitheap and even ford diehards know it which is they are shunned. So as usual trolling around in these videos is a bara boy or a typhoon try hard. Fpv was a pissweak attempt at trying to make money on the back of Hdt hsv, because without them fpv would NEVER have been thought of. Even Alan whinging Moffat trued to jump on that wagon in the 80 s while brock was developing his cars Moffat came out with such gems as the Xc Moffat DEALER pack.
@Jimmy Valentine VF AND VE are not ugly
While the cars are big they ain't fat and ugly.
On other hand fords made in similar time frames look like fat ugly shit that actuly look slow.
Theres reason Holden won the most at Bathurst, Holden engines are made better, built faster and have the reliability of a Toyota
Ford can eat shit
Ford is still alive .
Drool .... No school like the old school and all that, however cars have improved dramatically.
Have to say I like the look of the vl better.
VL any day of the week. W1 has no character. Just boring
Omg has hsv stopped production
Electric Screen nah they are importing the Camaro in 2018 and releasing the hsv Colorado. They’re just stopping making commodores.
This the same clip they used HSV vs BMW...
Forget the imported fake holdens
can someone please tell me what the w1 stands for?😀👍✌🌈🌏
wanker with one hand and I'm not a Ford nut either lol
Im guessing walkinshaw 1? Not sure if it means anything though.
Id have the vl anyday. Modern commodores are beyond boring
guy almost bought the farm at the end of the vid
The old 5L 308's had a great sound but weren't particularly great engines...
Even an LS1 feels slow today... But they were real Aussie muscle when they released.
Vl group a ss 0 100km 6.5 , quick car for the 80s . Today not really . Tho 2016 wrx isn't that much quicker
funny the gtsr beats the VL in every aspect but probably is the cheaper car lol
Who?
Give me the VL anyday
Group A is not HSV it’s SV
VL batmobile never won a race, ever. the GTSR W1 real car
Bathurst and Sandown not races then?
@@Andyc351 Google
@@jimclarke1108 yeah you should learn to use it...
@@Andyc351 VL HSV. Won races. Not the batmobile. walkinshaw.
@@jimclarke1108 ????
why would Holden have even bothered with only 180kw out of a v8 they could've just used the rb30et out of the Calais and made more power
Because much like with the Barra 4.0 in the falcon vs the 5.4 Modular V8, the V8 was positioned as the premium product and, I imagine, was also more expensive to buy. While it didn't make as much power, it was at least a Holden engine and not an enhanced Nissan engine, which I guess was not only important for the brand but also for their loyal (or potential) customer base.
cazzo fantastico could have would have should have aye. There is no substitute for the spund of an Aussie V8 so glad they didn't do what you are sugesting. Want a turbo 6 get a skyline gts-t or a gtr. its awesome as it is.
you sound bored of life while your driving lol
"Mega" !
The new one looks like an over weight boat.. VL just needs its motor and job done..
How dare you speak negative comments about the Great old Holden. You insult all old Aussie muscle cars with your negative opinion and its a crime that you even sat in the car. Never ever allow this person to drive another Holden or Aussie Ford again on your show
This must be the dumbest comparison in the entire world. Comparing a Walky from the 80's which was CAMs limited to 4.9 litres against a Supercharged 6.2 litre LS powerhouse from GM USA shoehorned into a VF commodore. Next comparison should be quarter mile performance between the GTSR W1 and a Top Fuel dragster.
Sandown Raceway.
The GTR killed that 80s HSV
Looks like a Chevy Grand Prix
mega what
Where does the power level stop, 1000 hp on the street????
Ludicrous,ridiculous and just insane..These power levels should only be allowed on the track only in my view...
Just stick with your camry
I owned a walkinshaw in my youth, thought it was the best! Grew up and now own other super cars and realize it was a bucket of shit! Didn't go, didn't handle, couldn't stop , terrible. All the HSV range and HDT are glorified commodores and I am amazed at ppls stupidity to pay the prices they pay for them .
Today I wouldn't be seen dead in any of those stupid colored cars as an adult.