Here are a few things that we unknown to me at the time of recording this: - If you want to customize your apps in HexOS, you will soon be able to do this - When checking TrueNAS, the pool that HexOS created was a 1 x RAIDZ1 | 6 wide - There will be more options for configuring your drive pool in the future but will always recommend a sensible default - If you only have 2 drives, it will create a mirror which is not expandable in the future, unlike RAID Z1
@@HowToITLLC without going full conspiracy, I could see a company like iXsystems paying a "competitor" to prove out risky ventures, and then taking lessons from their implementation, success and failures. It's a lot cheaper than running your own research, and it makes for good PR for supporting the ecosystem as a whole
I see nothing wrong with it. It has all the features that are required. Besides, the only permission you ever need to assign is the administrator account, and then you can externally mange the permissions from the Windows Explorer interface. Simply right-click on the directory folder, open "Properties" and click the security tab. There's no need to ever look at it more than once. If you don't know how to manage user permissions in Windows, then are you sure that rolling your own file server is something you're ready for? If using Linux, then you don't use it, plain and simple. Linux is POSIX, and there's no reason to go messing around with a bunch of permissions that your Linux OS won't know what to do with, and won't respect anyway. Just set the owner, and move on. BTW, you're able to manage those permissions externally, too. Just pop open the file manager that ships with your distro, and configure it to your heart's content. Although, the real pros use the SSH terminal along with commands like, chmod and chown, and have a dedicated share directory for uploading scripts they wish to run.
I see HexOS as an option for new NAS products to license and have it built into their machines to sell to a costumer who isn't a "pro" yet but wants some peace of mind -- like those brands that sell machines with Linux options tailor-made for it, like PopOS and that European one that I forgot the name.
Just wait until they transition to a software as a service model so that they can lease your computer that you already own back to you for a perpetually renewing monthly service fee. Maybe that will be included as part of their hardware rental program, a la NZXT.
The Buddy Backup idea is most interesting to me! My friend and I both have a lot of Linux ISO's, would be super cool to split the cost of redundancy to secure it and maybe be able to grant your buddy access to some of it as well.
You wouldn’t backup your Linux isos, those are easy to redownload. You would just back up you app configs, a list of your Linux isos, and all your important pictures and files
I hope that there's a 100% offline option after the initial installation and configuration. I would assume that would have to happen for airgapped environments.
@@TechnoTim Think as it's in early beta / pre 1.0 it's easier to develop and change the UI if it's on their side rather than on the users side. Easier to push updates and new features without the user needing to run updates all the time, Also it would be easier to recover from the inevitable "oops that last update broke everything, lets roll back to better times."
@@s0litaire2k For sure, totally get it (server side web server vs client side web server) I just mean after their 1.0 release. I am curious on how cloud dependant it is.
In the last couple years I never saw so many walls closing in on Synology, that strategy of having obsolete hardware is finally caught up with them, how I love competition.
if anything. I think this is something that will sell a lot of Synology NASs. "Buy that one, with these drives, and you are good to go buddy, yeah sure I'll help you setting it up"
@@D3ntNL We've had a lot of clients move away from Synology over the last few years. Between attempts at HW lock in, astronomical pricing and seriously dated hardware people who don't need their higher end enterprise hardware feel like they've been forgotten about. Synology software is still top notch though.
Synology doesn't give shit about consumers, see their deprecation of consumer 1st party apps like VideoStation and MusicStation. They are going after the Enterprise market that doesn't care about hardware performance as much as they do about reliability, HA, uptime and that sort of thing.
I don't understand why trunas just doesn't make their stuff simpler and easier to use. Even people who want to use it for technical aspects, would probably appreciate the simpler interfaces
I think it's worth it for beginners who has the option to learn True Nas if they outgrow the simplicity of Hexos. I've been a Synology user for a long time and feel too constraint with both the OS and their hardware options. If true nas has the ability to do a san setup, this would awesome for my family to have a small san in their location while my true nas will be the mainhub.
I built a DIY NAS last year and have been running TrueNAS SCALE on it... and as a noob I've figured out the basics I need but sure...deeper stuff is over my head. I'm probably going to give HexOS a try, but not until it's RC1 or something.
HexOS is everything I wanted for someone who's interested in tech and has an older but solid gaming computer that I've been wanting to turn into a NAS. However, after digging and concluding that TrueNAS would tick all my boxes, I became wildly overwhelmed by the amount of work required to make it all come to life. So I put it off. I only have so much time in a day, and I didn't want to lose myself in something that might become a new lifelong hobby. I just wanted to make a NAS with some extra features for my personal use case, and HexOS, assuming it's supported for years to come, will do just that. I expect PC gamers with older rigs and basic technical knowledge are part of the long-term target market for HexOS. Not those that already know what a NAS is or how to set one up.
But are you willing to pay 300 dollars for that? Even if you value your time at 50 bucks per hour, that is 6 hours to tinker with TrueNAS's nightmare of POSIX permissions (that is assuming you have 6 hours of free time)
There are plenty of solutions for basic needs. Casa OS, Runtipi, UmbrelOS... I personally run Truenas Scale at home, a basic (for now) installation for media sharing and some backups. It was not overwhelming to set it up. It requires some spare time to learn some things, but there is a large amount of tutorials and guides out there.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and testing. I bought a license in black friday and gonna wait probably 1-2 years before giving it a shot. But it looks promising for a beta.
I have a trunas set up at home, I am also backing this. Why? Becuase I like making things eaiser for everyone. It also means that (maybe) one day my family can do things on it without my help.
Just because I can and have doesn't mean I want to. I am past the learning home lab stage and i just want something that works for all the stuff that is standard. Having the power to still go in and deal with any edge cases put it over the top. I am in, bought and paid for a life time.
Yes, is basically to simplify setup of some essential services without much trouble. For the average technotim viewer is probably a pass because some us love spending hours to have custom stuff. But sometimes you just want to go home and have a nas and services without the hours required to implement it.
It is a streamlined version of TrueNAS. It just decides how to make your pool and how to set up plex and your *arr apps. It makes all the obvious decisions for you so you don’t have to read through 15 configuration options that you don’t know what they are and don’t know what they do and it chooses the only sensible configuration option for you.
It looks like a good turnkey solution for folks just techie enough to want to setup their own server, but not enough to cosplay as a sysadmin (or actually be a sysadmin) My dad comes to mind as a possible target user
Something to think about re:USB drives, while it's not usually recommended to use external USB drives as pool drives (think WD Easystores) some people, especially newcomers, probably want to set things up like this. While I disagree that it should ignore by default, it should absolutely warn the user about the flakiness of USB connections.
Thank you for your review. Yeah I'm sticking to TrueNas, I'm going to have to admit setting up NAS is bit of tedeous work, but for me is a thing that I only do once and walk away, specially cause is Free and its flawless
I just find it funny that the whole buy it now before the price triples while promising it will totally have a local IU eventually is the kind of thing Linus would usually be COMPLETELY against. Trust me bro indeed. That said, I'm certainly ok with them charging, but I think they need to rethink that pricing. Even with local access $300 is a large pill to swallow.
Linus is against preorders, where you pay full price before receiving the product. This is cool because got get a product right away for a discount. It's not a $300 product, but you're not paying $300
To be fair, I think we’ve grown so accustomed to monthly recurring licensing that the sticker shock of a perpetual license has set in for a lot of folks. I don’t disagree that this is maybe a bit pricey. But I also don’t think that we should be comfortable with how the system is now.
UNRAID full lifetime license is $249. Not sure if that is the price point they are trying to match. Not sure if this is worth more than UNRAID (disclaimer, I have two UNRAID lifetime licenses from before they went to the monthly subscription model)
Me too lol I have been wanting to build a NAS but don't want to put a lot of time into it. Still need to gather old parts and finally put something together
for a paid application, I think the range of functions is relatively modest - even if it is currently only a beta). Truenas Scale is a great thing as a pure file server. If I want more (virtualization with applications or operating systems), I don't need another system, as there are already ready-made open source applications with marketplace applications (CasaOS, UmbrelOS etc.), I would use Cosmos Server if I had to, as it also has a reverse proxy (with Let's Encrypt support) integrated directly.
I see a lot of people saying that if someone is already picking out hardware and is building the pc then HexOS isn't for them. I think some people forget that hardware is the easy part. I like the idea of HexOS. I have no problems with hardware. I don't have the time or the want to learn how to setup TrueNAS or anything else. I want something simple. I've been thinking about getting a Synology but the hardware is weak sauce and doesn't have an upgrade path. Their software looks fantastic though. Easy and works. I'm going to buy in to HexOS now and see how it goes. If it's not good in a year then I'll get a Synology
In the way that if I want to recommend something to someone and not need to support it myself, I suggest a synology unit. It’s not a budget solution, but it’s built to be simple. This is giving similar vibes (it’s not there yet) but with custom hardware, if you don’t want to pay the premium then you can figure out truenas yourself but that’s not the end user they are building it for.
If it was $50 then sure! Dumbed down NAS software, I can see people giving it a go. For $300 its a hard pass. For that amount of money just put in the 2-3 hours extra needed to configure TrueNAS or get something like a Synology or Qnap where you get actual hardware with your investment.
What you said at the end made me realise the model is kinda backwards from how most software works these days TrueNAS is for enterprise and is free HexOS is for end users and is $299
I love the idea of HexOS and I think it will be worth it in the future which is why I bought a perpetual license over Black Friday weekend. That being said, I'd like a local setup rather than cloud before I ever deploy it in my home. The whole point of my home server is to own my data and only upload self-encrypted data to the cloud. Great idea though
Wow this needs a lot of work, incredibly bare bones. I cannot fathom the price they are charging for this, especially when Unraid, an ultra-simple, ultra stable, production ready platform is available.
I mean at $99 no problem but in the future at $299 absolutely not. I will say unsaid has to be one of the worst pieces of software I have ever used. I regret putting my plex server on unraid but lack the time or care to change off of it. It’s unstable, freezes up, permissions hell, and barely simplifies setting up apps.
@@ANONPROFILE001I couldn’t agree more with this comment. Also, it’s so incredibly slow. It’s such junk and when the forum moderators are shown bugs with fundamental capabilities like share permissions, they couldn’t care less about fixing it. Terrible software.
They've admitted themselves there is plenty of work left to be done, it's a very early access version after all (honestly, they probably should've called it alpha instead of beta). They've also posted a full roadmap to v1.0. Keep in mind with Unraid's recent pricing changeup, a lifetime Unraid license is $249, so they're really not that far off pricing wise and that's AFTER v1.0 comes out. Until then, it's $99-199. Also, as someone who runs Unraid on a home server, idk if I would describe it as "ultra-simple, ultra stable" lol. Simple compared to TrueNAS, sure, but that's not what HexOS is aiming for. They want a product more comparable to Synology's software, but for custom hardware.
Just an FYI with an issue I had with HexOS and Plex: For whatever reason, the datasets/ACLs that are set by HexOS for Plex for the Transcode/Config folders cause Plex not to transcode correctly. This can be resolved by messing around with the set ACLs, applying different ones, or just stripping ACLs all together and just making sure all Unix Permissions are set with execute.
Unraid doesn't make public shares as far as i know. It's just 1 drop box away. It recommends password protection. Its dangerous to make public shares by default because security firms will or the media with publicly claim vulnerability, assuming the users don't understand what's going on.
that is high sure.. but it's not tired like Unraid is and their full unlimited licence is $249... and the reason I went with TrueNAS and not Unraid when I built my server last year is that I wanted the performance if offers and zfs
Yeah his prices are always a bit ludicrous if you ask me. Isn't true Nas free too? I mean I don't like how complex it can be to do certain things on true mass but for $300 price difference that's a pretty easy decision 😂😂😂
If you're deploying a server/nas solution for dozens of customers, would you rather set them up with TrueNAS, or HexOS? I know I'd choose HexOS, or those customers would be pretty pissed off in a short time.
@@espressomatic Now I think I'll take $300 for each customer and And then you'd have the service fees for if they wanted any support But for a family member, I would put hex OS. What am I saying? I'd put truenas on and then just do it for them. Maybe remote in Or if they wanted a bit of independence, maybe something like Open MediaVolt or one of them other similar.
@@TheOdog1970 for sure, but I think it will lack real adoption for a dedicated NAS until they support some kind of RAID features. I am a huge fan of both, just waiting for that feature until it's truly a contender.
At the current sale price of $99, it's an OK deal provided they don't take years to bring out a working/polished product. People would get fed up with the wait. But at their normal price, they'll be hard-pressed to stay in business, especially since there is the addition of paid support. The one thing that puts all this off is the need to have an account with them to use the product you paid for. What happens a year or two or more down the road if they go out of business? You've bought and are stuck with something you can't use in the future. You should just buy a license key and just activate it. With that being said, I'll stick with my TrueNAS and Synology boxes.
11:24 I'm not quite following your feedback here. The USB drives are under the "unused" section. Your wording sounds like you are thinking they are in use?
Sorry that I was unclear and I had so many thoughts going on as a developer and as a user. It was odd to me that the USB drives were detected as hard drives in the Storage pools section. That in itself isn't too bad, but the fact that I could not proceed without creating a pool for them was. In the end it never created a pool but when configuring the pool it made it seem like it was going to. 06:10. I hope that makes sense!
Don't like the nas with cloud login, my data, my local authentication system please. I will not buy software that forces me to login with cloud based passwords 🥴
I believe that they announced that a local only access is coming, cloud is the only option until then so you may want to check it out in the next beta.
It says $199 on their website... I can see the kind of people that like Unifi getting into this though. Powerful features with a much easier interface. Where I get a bit concerned with that plan though is that realistically people that pay for Unifi tend to like the aesthetics of their hardware as well - which rules out people grabbing older gear and hacking it together. By the time you factor in new hardware costs, plus this licence, you may as well go for Synology.
@@rayjaymor8754 its going to be 299 when fully released and yes but you can carry this license forward to new hardware or upgrade your system over the years bit by bit wich you cant do with Synology also you can use far more powerful hardware
Whats the recommendation on RAM type? The main reason I switched to unraid was the cost of getting server grade hardware with REG-ECC ram support that was also energy efficient, almost impossible where I live. Using ZFS from what I've seen, one uncorrected bit in your ram cache and you can corrupt all your data.
Thats completely untrue. I've been running TrueNAS for years without ECC ram without issue. ZFS even saved me once when i was unknowingly overclocking my memory past what the CPU could handle. Everything worked just fine but the failing memory was silently corrupting all my data in the background. ZFS scrub found it immediately fixed the coruption and let me know there was an issue. ZFS saved my ass bigtime.
Thats completely untrue, I have been running Truenas for years without ECC ram without issue. ZFS even saved me once when i unknowingly overclocked my memory past what the CPU could handle so it was silently corrupting all my data in the background. ZFS scrub found it immediately, fixed the corruption and let me know there was an issue. ZFS saved me bigtime like probably few file systems would. Only good reason i could think of to use Unraid over Truenas is the lower power usage because you can spindown youre drives and only have to spin the single drive that you use back up if you need it. In Truenas you need a 3rd party script to spin the HDD's down and you can only spin down/up the whole pool at once.
ZFS is designed from the ground up to prevent exactly what you are talking about. Even if you aren't using ECC with ZFS losing more disks than N is much higher on the risk list than a bit flip assuming you are observing best practices.
ECC RAM isn't a requirement for ZFS as called out. I've seen a lot of posts calling out the myth, with them all saying that not using ECC with ZFS isn't anymore of a concern than not using ECC with any other filesystem. When you're in the enterprise and your data is important, you want to take every precaution that you can for your data to be safe, so you invest into ECC.
the 300$ is a total deal breaker. For the amount I save in using my own hardware I spend more for the OS than what I'd get for a Synology unit. A lifetime license for Unraid is cheaper than Hexos and unlike hexos it's not "just a truenas reskin". HexOS is also trying to fill a weird spot. Anyone who doesn't have the tech know how to install an operating system from a USB drive would just get a Synology or Qnap unit and anyone who does have this knowledge would rather just google-fu their way through permissions than pay 300 bucks
I somewhat disagree with it being in a weird spot, but I might just be their intended target audience. I am a tech-savy person I would say, but I do not really want to spend the time to configure and maintain a truenas install. All I want is a NAS with two drives running mirrored and the ability to configure some simple, user-based access-rules for the people in my house. As I am looking into plex and other apps, using these could also be of interest.
Ive seen the synology comment a few times, the thing most people don't think about is the fact that those synology nas's can never be upgraded. If you bought this license, you can run it on a $69 optiplex with a few drives but hey, maybe now you need plex with better transcoding? Drop a gpu in there and get it setup for transcoding. Hey you need more than 4 drives? Get a pcie sata expansion card and put more drives in. Yes to someone that doesn't need a homelab and just need some network storage, synology would be better, but then if you ever need more drive bays or more power, you're upgrading to a different synology device spending more money. They both have their usage in a similar space.
Agree to disagree. I can install this just fine, and i currently use truenas, but have zero interest in spending hours reading the docs to make sure I'm not screwing up the config and leaving something open to attack. I'm more than willing to pay for a simplified overlay that makes it easy to use
I just looked it up, and a lifetime lisence for Unraid is $250. Not that big of a difference, considering HexOS plans to be adding functionality ontop of TrueNAS, not just a reskin.
12:27 I think you meant to say vdev instead of pool here. It's been possible to expand the pool by adding vdevs for as long as I can remember. TrueNAS has only recently got the ability to expand vdevs. If you mean a single vdev pool then yes what you are saying is true in that specific case.
OMV/Truenas Scale~core are nice, i like all options for FREE! Now it's already at $199 for $199/199euro's i'll put some effort into it. And if for whatever reason HEXOS bites the dust? You loose it? Even though setting up TNS/c or OMV is a bit harder compared to hexos i don't think it's worth that much, specially when it's truenas scale underneath.
Being backed by Mr. Trust Me Bro seems like more of a liability. I'm not super seeing the target audience. It's for people that can DIY their own NAS but can't figure out TrueNAS or Unraid? Im not sure how many of those people there are. If you are building their hardware for your friend you are already permanent tech support, and anyone building their own I dont know how many will spend $300 for an EZ Mode skin on top of a free NAS OS.
so, the problem i have with the modern truenas scale, is apps default to the primary network interface and the user is unable to change it without some SIGNIFICANT research and tinkering. understandable that the average user will not have vlans running but for many of us, an app running on the same ip as the smb share or management interface is unacceptable. looks like its not different here. there should be options available, for advanced users, when a bridge is made. - was running scale 24 backed to core 13.3
The lead already confirmed there will full offline for the full release. I think there will also be a subscription model if you don't like the relatively ok lifetime price.
Would be awesome if they setup shared memory on GPU aswell:) So if i have plex + a passthrough vm that needs a GPU, transcoding with maybe 6gb from my 1080ti and the vm gets 4 or 5:)
I've been wanting a NAS for a very long time, and Synology have kinda been the only thing I've been considering for the longest time. Can I install HexOS on Synology hardware? Would there be any point to doing so? Are there any synology-like NAS-boxes I should look to instead?
@ well I mean yeah but they’re beta testing some raid functionality and stuff to make it more of a nas os, I’ve been personally using it as a backup/media server
@@cesarvarela5438 I'm not being critical of you or CasaOS, I use it for stuff too. It's convenient and simple to use.. I run NextCloud on it (because I'm too paranoid to allow any part of my NAS unrestricted internet access). But it's not a replacement for a true NAS OS.
@@cesarvarela5438 casaos still isnt 1 click install. let's say to install plex and have it working, you still need to create and type in folder paths. Entry level IT geeks are willing to follow tutorials and figure that out but the average joe will be sitting there and wondering why plex isnt working despite it being installed
It's just a pretty UI for TrueNAS which is OK, a simple UI that just has basic features is a good idea but the whole Cloud requirement is a show stopper for me. I currently have TrueNAS and think their UI is OK but needs lots of work to make it good
Also for ZFS expansion now is this in a way similar to what has been possible with unraid? Can ayone smarter with storage than me explain what the pros and cons / differences are between having expandable ZFS pools and unraids multi drive meshing system
Definitely hard to justify the price when things like CasaOS exist. Hopefully they succeed, but to all my non technical friends, I just recommend they buy a Zima Board and it’s pretty much a turn key solution
Very nice but UNAS seems a way better choice the replace my TrueNAS because I want simplicity and I already have apps running in vms so its not a problem that UNAS doesnt let me install any apps. And ??? License free❤ Nice video! Thank you
Unused memory is useless memory. ;) TrueNAS Scale had an issue when I created a pool. I had 8 SATA SSDs and 1 M.2 NVME. All 1 TB each. When I created the pool it automatically selected all 1 TB drives, including the M.2 NVME since it was 1 TB It didn't tell me about this and I discovered it by going to Disks and discovered that the M.2 driver was included in the pool. I had to delete the pool and then do a manual setup and only select the SATA SSDs Simplicity is not always grate.
What a good idea it is to have a backup server panel (able to format everything) being only accessible from a public website that can be breached anytime.
@@TierOneArma I would argue that as an interface that permit to control things it is a panel (but whatever). Does this changes anything about my point being that this is a bad decurity practice ?
if they had kept the $99 price it would be easy to reccomend, at the current price of $199 i'm not sure id go that direction over trunas. I should have just bought it at 99 to test for myself, but from the videos i dont see the value for the price.
If I have to pay for a NAS OS, I’m picking unraid. It’s mature and well maintained. A lifetime license for a brand new thing is really risky right now.
The audacity to sell roadmap promises coming from nowhere and providing as little as nothing for trustworthy background.. And for a such bald price and bussiness model that gives me flashbacks about notorious AAA games pre-orders from giant publishers. Really sorry for those who fall for this. P.S. 2:06 What's ESP doing in there?
@@Sithhy It seem to be tightly integrated into their cloud from his demo. I hate subscriptions which is why I even watched this video, a for lifetime key for a NAS OS with some support, yea, sign me up, IF it doesn't need a internet connection to manage fully, and IF it doesn't report any telemetry or usage (without paying me money for my data)
I'm not sure who they're targeting with this. The majority of people who aren't 'techy' use Google, iCloud, or Amazon. People who edit photos / videos mostly will buy Synology. Those that want to self host have many options that are free, along with many helpful UA-cam videos.
@@SørenLaustsen-j9p You keep posting this everywhere in the comment section (might be a bot). Sorry to say, but LTT has a stake in the company, which means their videos about it will not be objective even if they are helpful for understanding what it does. In the end, it's just a simple ui/ux skin job that they are overcharging for.
I think this has a place in between. Installing TrueNAS/Unraid/OMV/whatever, learning about pools, ACLs/user permissions, datasets, SMB shares, docker apps, etc is a niche within a niche within a niche. From what I've seen so far, HexOS makes everything I mentioned just a single click for each, which is perfect for people that want to selfhost but don't have the time for the steep learning curve required. Most people pay for convenience. I'm personally happy with my TrueNAS Scale + Unraid + Proxmox homelab, but if I had HexOS 5 years ago I would have totally started with that.
I feel like calling HexOS an OS is a little disingenuous given in it's current state anyway, The HEX part is a Front end for Truenas. It's a pretty interface for scripted actions. While not inconsiderable, I feel like the uneducated are going to miss the "Powered by TrueNAS" or even care about the "Switch to TrueNAS Interface" mode. What happens if / when something goes wrong and now you have to work through recovery or maintenance, I really doubt there will never be a time a home admin won't have to get under the hood. Maybe better to throw them in the pool with full fat TrueNAS for no OS cost and point them to the numerous YT vids that take you through Step By Step or just set up a Windows file share for the trully uninitiated. So, agree streamlining TrueNAS as a more "Home Admin" friendly option is appealing and maybe buying into the $99 pricepoint is attractive, I still feel like this is polishing a rock and telling you its a gemstone.
There are home users that are setting up a NAS on an OLD laptop using USB drives for their data. I know this makes some of us cringe, but HexOS is made specifically for this ‘type’ of user. USB drive listings should stay and you can stop commenting on how they shouldn’t show up in future review videos - as you have to be able to see what crowd HexOS is made for if you’re going to be reviewing it.
by saying: "HexOS is a new NAS operating system"...you mean a UI skin overlayed over TruNAS, right? they are taking a free product, adding a novice/beginner overlayed UI, and then charging $300 a server...yeah, i think Linus is going to regret the 250k he just gave them.
I don't think so, I am the target market for this.I bought one already and will probably buy another one later. I am a software developer and already have TrueNAS running on my DIY nas. It was a pain to set up, and a pain to make ANY changes at all to it. I don't want to waste my time figuring out how it works all over again for a change (file system ACLs with shares that have their own ACL are a pain in the ass). Why do people buy those pre build underpowered NAS solutions that synology, QNAP, etc sell? Because its easy and the software is easy. This is targeted towards that. Literally the company who makes TrueNAS is also an investor in this too, so I think there is a market for it and that they will be fine.
@DrProfessorOmni-ib1lx did you write the contacts app on your phone and install email servers from scratch before sending an email? Most people dont have the same hobby as yours and want "1 click just works" solutions while enjoying the benefits such software can provide
$300 is wild when Unraid is around. I'm in love with the HexOS UI, but i will never be able to justify $100 for the Windows machine i use DAILY, let alone $300 for a NAS i set and forget. I'd gladly pay $5 a month or MAYBE $100 lifetime. But even that's a stretch. Again, I LOVE the mission. But the price doesn't work for me.
For me it's simple, price yourself. Let's say $20 an hour. Then ask yourself how many hours this will save you. Edit: maybe that math doesn't add up for you but it might.
Here are a few things that we unknown to me at the time of recording this:
- If you want to customize your apps in HexOS, you will soon be able to do this
- When checking TrueNAS, the pool that HexOS created was a 1 x RAIDZ1 | 6 wide
- There will be more options for configuring your drive pool in the future but will always recommend a sensible default
- If you only have 2 drives, it will create a mirror which is not expandable in the future, unlike RAID Z1
Also of note - TrueNAS is an investor as well!
A mirror is expandable in a stripe, but needs another mirror, instead of just a drive
@@LtdJorge Agreed, sorry, this was in context of the vdev
Great video Tim! Thanks for trying it out and giving us your feedback. Looking forward to having more conversations with you in the future!
The mirror vdev it makes isn't a part of a pool that could have another vdev mirror added to it?
This would be entirely unnecessary if TrueNAS would overhaul their godawful permissions page.
At least it gives TrueNAS some direction, that's a good thing!
This might be what they consider an overhaul seeing as truenas is an investor into hexos
@@HowToITLLC without going full conspiracy, I could see a company like iXsystems paying a "competitor" to prove out risky ventures, and then taking lessons from their implementation, success and failures. It's a lot cheaper than running your own research, and it makes for good PR for supporting the ecosystem as a whole
I see nothing wrong with it. It has all the features that are required. Besides, the only permission you ever need to assign is the administrator account, and then you can externally mange the permissions from the Windows Explorer interface. Simply right-click on the directory folder, open "Properties" and click the security tab. There's no need to ever look at it more than once. If you don't know how to manage user permissions in Windows, then are you sure that rolling your own file server is something you're ready for?
If using Linux, then you don't use it, plain and simple. Linux is POSIX, and there's no reason to go messing around with a bunch of permissions that your Linux OS won't know what to do with, and won't respect anyway. Just set the owner, and move on. BTW, you're able to manage those permissions externally, too. Just pop open the file manager that ships with your distro, and configure it to your heart's content.
Although, the real pros use the SSH terminal along with commands like, chmod and chown, and have a dedicated share directory for uploading scripts they wish to run.
@@HowToITLLC so basically a cash grab from ixSystems and the people at HexOS? Got it.
I see HexOS as an option for new NAS products to license and have it built into their machines to sell to a costumer who isn't a "pro" yet but wants some peace of mind -- like those brands that sell machines with Linux options tailor-made for it, like PopOS and that European one that I forgot the name.
Good point! I thought about this last night too! iX Systems (and others) can build and sell home servers will this preinstalled.
Tuxedo Computers/Linux?
Just wait until they transition to a software as a service model so that they can lease your computer that you already own back to you for a perpetually renewing monthly service fee. Maybe that will be included as part of their hardware rental program, a la NZXT.
@@TheChadXperience909 ?
that would be horrible, imagine the bloatware
The Buddy Backup idea is most interesting to me! My friend and I both have a lot of Linux ISO's, would be super cool to split the cost of redundancy to secure it and maybe be able to grant your buddy access to some of it as well.
This is what has me most interested as well
You wouldn’t backup your Linux isos, those are easy to redownload. You would just back up you app configs, a list of your Linux isos, and all your important pictures and files
@@xHyperElectric lol
@@xHyperElectric when some of your Linux ISOs are 60GB, they're not that easy to redownload, specially since the uploads come and go.
@@LtdJorge Especially if those ISOs are encoded with an uncommon codec or at very high bitrate, right?
maybe i'll wait and install the $300 HexOS using the $600 45Drives HL8 case...that way i can maximize my spend for as little value possible....
I was going to write something about the cost, but cannot even come close to this reply. Agree 100%
LOL
They should make a physical USB key that requires the LTT screwdriver to authenticate
But will it run Star Citizen?
@@IM_A_BEAR_LOL What does a screwdriver have to do with this? That's a super insecure idea
The cloud aspect of HEXoS is odd, but Im glad you are giving this a good test. Now back to watching.
I hope that there's a 100% offline option after the initial installation and configuration. I would assume that would have to happen for airgapped environments.
@@TechnoTim Think as it's in early beta / pre 1.0 it's easier to develop and change the UI if it's on their side rather than on the users side. Easier to push updates and new features without the user needing to run updates all the time, Also it would be easier to recover from the inevitable "oops that last update broke everything, lets roll back to better times."
@@TechnoTimOn their website they've said they're going to have a full offline option
@@s0litaire2k For sure, totally get it (server side web server vs client side web server) I just mean after their 1.0 release. I am curious on how cloud dependant it is.
@@TechnoTim They already said there will be a local option.
In the last couple years I never saw so many walls closing in on Synology, that strategy of having obsolete hardware is finally caught up with them, how I love competition.
They tried locking everyone in HW wise. Rebranded HDD's and DIMM's are a real weird choice.
Relying on their OS software laurels and following the Apple hardware upgrade gouging model...
if anything. I think this is something that will sell a lot of Synology NASs.
"Buy that one, with these drives, and you are good to go buddy, yeah sure I'll help you setting it up"
@@D3ntNL We've had a lot of clients move away from Synology over the last few years. Between attempts at HW lock in, astronomical pricing and seriously dated hardware people who don't need their higher end enterprise hardware feel like they've been forgotten about. Synology software is still top notch though.
Synology doesn't give shit about consumers, see their deprecation of consumer 1st party apps like VideoStation and MusicStation. They are going after the Enterprise market that doesn't care about hardware performance as much as they do about reliability, HA, uptime and that sort of thing.
i think you r assessment as to " who is this for" is quite accurate.
As an unraid user, i dont see myself moving away from unraid any time soon.
It would be really cool if they end up offering a feature to lay HexOS over an existing TrueNAS install.
I believe this is something they’re working on, Linus mentioned it in his video.
I don't understand why trunas just doesn't make their stuff simpler and easier to use. Even people who want to use it for technical aspects, would probably appreciate the simpler interfaces
I think it's worth it for beginners who has the option to learn True Nas if they outgrow the simplicity of Hexos. I've been a Synology user for a long time and feel too constraint with both the OS and their hardware options. If true nas has the ability to do a san setup, this would awesome for my family to have a small san in their location while my true nas will be the mainhub.
I built a DIY NAS last year and have been running TrueNAS SCALE on it... and as a noob I've figured out the basics I need but sure...deeper stuff is over my head. I'm probably going to give HexOS a try, but not until it's RC1 or something.
HexOS is everything I wanted for someone who's interested in tech and has an older but solid gaming computer that I've been wanting to turn into a NAS. However, after digging and concluding that TrueNAS would tick all my boxes, I became wildly overwhelmed by the amount of work required to make it all come to life. So I put it off. I only have so much time in a day, and I didn't want to lose myself in something that might become a new lifelong hobby. I just wanted to make a NAS with some extra features for my personal use case, and HexOS, assuming it's supported for years to come, will do just that.
I expect PC gamers with older rigs and basic technical knowledge are part of the long-term target market for HexOS. Not those that already know what a NAS is or how to set one up.
But are you willing to pay 300 dollars for that? Even if you value your time at 50 bucks per hour, that is 6 hours to tinker with TrueNAS's nightmare of POSIX permissions (that is assuming you have 6 hours of free time)
There are plenty of solutions for basic needs. Casa OS, Runtipi, UmbrelOS... I personally run Truenas Scale at home, a basic (for now) installation for media sharing and some backups. It was not overwhelming to set it up. It requires some spare time to learn some things, but there is a large amount of tutorials and guides out there.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and testing. I bought a license in black friday and gonna wait probably 1-2 years before giving it a shot. But it looks promising for a beta.
Good video Tim! Thanks for always sharing with us!💖👍😎JP
I have a trunas set up at home, I am also backing this.
Why?
Becuase I like making things eaiser for everyone. It also means that (maybe) one day my family can do things on it without my help.
It’s an awesome concept backed by people who actually care, I have 0 doubts it’ll take off. 100% using this on my old dell
Just because I can and have doesn't mean I want to. I am past the learning home lab stage and i just want something that works for all the stuff that is standard. Having the power to still go in and deal with any edge cases put it over the top. I am in, bought and paid for a life time.
So it's just paid overlay to true nas?
essentially a fork and reskinned truenas that is simplified for a licensed cost. Hard pass..
@@F0XH0UND007 Yeah if you are watching channels like this it's not for you lol.
Yes, is basically to simplify setup of some essential services without much trouble. For the average technotim viewer is probably a pass because some us love spending hours to have custom stuff. But sometimes you just want to go home and have a nas and services without the hours required to implement it.
It is a streamlined version of TrueNAS. It just decides how to make your pool and how to set up plex and your *arr apps. It makes all the obvious decisions for you so you don’t have to read through 15 configuration options that you don’t know what they are and don’t know what they do and it chooses the only sensible configuration option for you.
It looks like a good turnkey solution for folks just techie enough to want to setup their own server, but not enough to cosplay as a sysadmin (or actually be a sysadmin) My dad comes to mind as a possible target user
Something to think about re:USB drives, while it's not usually recommended to use external USB drives as pool drives (think WD Easystores) some people, especially newcomers, probably want to set things up like this.
While I disagree that it should ignore by default, it should absolutely warn the user about the flakiness of USB connections.
Thank you for your review.
Yeah I'm sticking to TrueNas, I'm going to have to admit setting up NAS is bit of tedeous work, but for me is a thing that I only do once and walk away, specially cause is Free and its flawless
I just find it funny that the whole buy it now before the price triples while promising it will totally have a local IU eventually is the kind of thing Linus would usually be COMPLETELY against. Trust me bro indeed. That said, I'm certainly ok with them charging, but I think they need to rethink that pricing. Even with local access $300 is a large pill to swallow.
Linus is against preorders, where you pay full price before receiving the product. This is cool because got get a product right away for a discount. It's not a $300 product, but you're not paying $300
@@ajar1000 Also not a $99 product
It's cheap, for a lifetime
To be fair, I think we’ve grown so accustomed to monthly recurring licensing that the sticker shock of a perpetual license has set in for a lot of folks.
I don’t disagree that this is maybe a bit pricey. But I also don’t think that we should be comfortable with how the system is now.
UNRAID full lifetime license is $249. Not sure if that is the price point they are trying to match. Not sure if this is worth more than UNRAID (disclaimer, I have two UNRAID lifetime licenses from before they went to the monthly subscription model)
I bought the beta and don’t even have a place to put it yet lol! Thank you for this video!!!
Me too lol I have been wanting to build a NAS but don't want to put a lot of time into it. Still need to gather old parts and finally put something together
It needs to be open source for me to use it (I want to make sure my data isn't being collected). I'll just stick with Umbrel or CasaOS.
It’s literally CasaOS closed source and paid
@@SørenLaustsen-j9p Hello Mr no commas. Also, Linus is very wrong with a lot of things. He doesn't even know how to use Linux.
@@cesarvarela5438 This is what I'm saying. I personally use Umbrel but CasaOS is also amazing.
for a paid application, I think the range of functions is relatively modest - even if it is currently only a beta). Truenas Scale is a great thing as a pure file server. If I want more (virtualization with applications or operating systems), I don't need another system, as there are already ready-made open source applications with marketplace applications (CasaOS, UmbrelOS etc.), I would use Cosmos Server if I had to, as it also has a reverse proxy (with Let's Encrypt support) integrated directly.
I like it. I don't have a NAS because it seemed very time consuming to set up. Now I will!
I see a lot of people saying that if someone is already picking out hardware and is building the pc then HexOS isn't for them. I think some people forget that hardware is the easy part. I like the idea of HexOS. I have no problems with hardware. I don't have the time or the want to learn how to setup TrueNAS or anything else. I want something simple. I've been thinking about getting a Synology but the hardware is weak sauce and doesn't have an upgrade path. Their software looks fantastic though. Easy and works. I'm going to buy in to HexOS now and see how it goes. If it's not good in a year then I'll get a Synology
In the way that if I want to recommend something to someone and not need to support it myself, I suggest a synology unit. It’s not a budget solution, but it’s built to be simple. This is giving similar vibes (it’s not there yet) but with custom hardware, if you don’t want to pay the premium then you can figure out truenas yourself but that’s not the end user they are building it for.
If it was $50 then sure! Dumbed down NAS software, I can see people giving it a go. For $300 its a hard pass. For that amount of money just put in the 2-3 hours extra needed to configure TrueNAS or get something like a Synology or Qnap where you get actual hardware with your investment.
What you said at the end made me realise the model is kinda backwards from how most software works these days
TrueNAS is for enterprise and is free
HexOS is for end users and is $299
@@Pegaroo_ great observation!
@TechnoTim I guess that's the price of you not being the product
beware jumpscare 11:44
Dark mode, always dark mode 😎
I love the idea of HexOS and I think it will be worth it in the future which is why I bought a perpetual license over Black Friday weekend. That being said, I'd like a local setup rather than cloud before I ever deploy it in my home. The whole point of my home server is to own my data and only upload self-encrypted data to the cloud. Great idea though
It is going to also be a local installation in the near future, not just cloud-based like it is now
Wow this needs a lot of work, incredibly bare bones. I cannot fathom the price they are charging for this, especially when Unraid, an ultra-simple, ultra stable, production ready platform is available.
I mean at $99 no problem but in the future at $299 absolutely not. I will say unsaid has to be one of the worst pieces of software I have ever used. I regret putting my plex server on unraid but lack the time or care to change off of it. It’s unstable, freezes up, permissions hell, and barely simplifies setting up apps.
@@ANONPROFILE001I couldn’t agree more with this comment. Also, it’s so incredibly slow. It’s such junk and when the forum moderators are shown bugs with fundamental capabilities like share permissions, they couldn’t care less about fixing it. Terrible software.
They've admitted themselves there is plenty of work left to be done, it's a very early access version after all (honestly, they probably should've called it alpha instead of beta). They've also posted a full roadmap to v1.0. Keep in mind with Unraid's recent pricing changeup, a lifetime Unraid license is $249, so they're really not that far off pricing wise and that's AFTER v1.0 comes out. Until then, it's $99-199.
Also, as someone who runs Unraid on a home server, idk if I would describe it as "ultra-simple, ultra stable" lol. Simple compared to TrueNAS, sure, but that's not what HexOS is aiming for. They want a product more comparable to Synology's software, but for custom hardware.
I want to know the security implications of having cloud based UI. If their servers are breached, then are all the systems vulnerable?
This is a good start. Hope they make it work and can justify the 99.00
$199 now
Just an FYI with an issue I had with HexOS and Plex:
For whatever reason, the datasets/ACLs that are set by HexOS for Plex for the Transcode/Config folders cause Plex not to transcode correctly. This can be resolved by messing around with the set ACLs, applying different ones, or just stripping ACLs all together and just making sure all Unix Permissions are set with execute.
Unraid doesn't make public shares as far as i know. It's just 1 drop box away. It recommends password protection. Its dangerous to make public shares by default because security firms will or the media with publicly claim vulnerability, assuming the users don't understand what's going on.
lol was literally installing immich-native-macos when you recommended it :P
Just show us how to expand a TrueNAS pool. :D
$300 (after the early bird discounts) is bonkers. Good luck with that 😂
that is high sure.. but it's not tired like Unraid is and their full unlimited licence is $249... and the reason I went with TrueNAS and not Unraid when I built my server last year is that I wanted the performance if offers and zfs
Yeah his prices are always a bit ludicrous if you ask me.
Isn't true Nas free too?
I mean I don't like how complex it can be to do certain things on true mass but for $300 price difference that's a pretty easy decision 😂😂😂
If you're deploying a server/nas solution for dozens of customers, would you rather set them up with TrueNAS, or HexOS? I know I'd choose HexOS, or those customers would be pretty pissed off in a short time.
@@espressomatic Now I think I'll take $300 for each customer and And then you'd have the service fees for if they wanted any support
But for a family member, I would put hex OS.
What am I saying? I'd put truenas on and then just do it for them. Maybe remote in
Or if they wanted a bit of independence, maybe something like Open MediaVolt or one of them other similar.
@espressomatic I would think at that point you'd have a premade image. With everything setup already. Any issues? Wipe it and reimage it?
I like how all of you reviewing this are not talking about CasaOS why HexOS when CasaOS
@@varimahenry because the don’t even support RAID. At this time it’s an app engine only, not a NAS
@@TechnoTim Pretty sure ZimoOS is going to replace CasaOS at some point, since it already has way more features
@@TheOdog1970 for sure, but I think it will lack real adoption for a dedicated NAS until they support some kind of RAID features. I am a huge fan of both, just waiting for that feature until it's truly a contender.
I feel like by the time HexOS is "ready", I will have learned TrueNAS.
At the current sale price of $99, it's an OK deal provided they don't take years to bring out a working/polished product. People would get fed up with the wait. But at their normal price, they'll be hard-pressed to stay in business, especially since there is the addition of paid support. The one thing that puts all this off is the need to have an account with them to use the product you paid for. What happens a year or two or more down the road if they go out of business? You've bought and are stuck with something you can't use in the future. You should just buy a license key and just activate it. With that being said, I'll stick with my TrueNAS and Synology boxes.
They've already confirmed it'll have complete offline support for the release of v1.0, the current cloud focused interface is just for beta.
Yeah also, you'll just be able to use truenas if all else fails
199$
@@Pinkman875 Regular pricing after Early Access ends: $299 per server.
if you want justa nas to put your files on it, use unifi and thats all. It cant get more simple than that
Unifi has NAS software?
11:24 I'm not quite following your feedback here. The USB drives are under the "unused" section. Your wording sounds like you are thinking they are in use?
Sorry that I was unclear and I had so many thoughts going on as a developer and as a user. It was odd to me that the USB drives were detected as hard drives in the Storage pools section. That in itself isn't too bad, but the fact that I could not proceed without creating a pool for them was. In the end it never created a pool but when configuring the pool it made it seem like it was going to. 06:10. I hope that makes sense!
Don't like the nas with cloud login, my data, my local authentication system please. I will not buy software that forces me to login with cloud based passwords 🥴
I believe that they announced that a local only access is coming, cloud is the only option until then so you may want to check it out in the next beta.
@@BriceMcIntoshCorrect. It’s on their website.
As Brice said, they've already confirmed that'll be a thing. Just remember, this is a very early access version, there's MUCH to be done still.
$299 regular license? I predict future struggles with their model.
its 300 for the perpetual license there will be subscription models to
It says $199 on their website... I can see the kind of people that like Unifi getting into this though. Powerful features with a much easier interface.
Where I get a bit concerned with that plan though is that realistically people that pay for Unifi tend to like the aesthetics of their hardware as well - which rules out people grabbing older gear and hacking it together.
By the time you factor in new hardware costs, plus this licence, you may as well go for Synology.
@@rayjaymor8754 its going to be 299 when fully released and yes but you can carry this license forward to new hardware or upgrade your system over the years bit by bit wich you cant do with Synology also you can use far more powerful hardware
tbh I'd bet that it will be the kind of pricing model like the one Nord uses, when it's pretty much never available at full price. 😀
@@TheArnoparnothat’s even worse.
Whats the recommendation on RAM type? The main reason I switched to unraid was the cost of getting server grade hardware with REG-ECC ram support that was also energy efficient, almost impossible where I live. Using ZFS from what I've seen, one uncorrected bit in your ram cache and you can corrupt all your data.
Thats completely untrue. I've been running TrueNAS for years without ECC ram without issue. ZFS even saved me once when i was unknowingly overclocking my memory past what the CPU could handle. Everything worked just fine but the failing memory was silently corrupting all my data in the background. ZFS scrub found it immediately fixed the coruption and let me know there was an issue. ZFS saved my ass bigtime.
Thats completely untrue, I have been running Truenas for years without ECC ram without issue. ZFS even saved me once when i unknowingly overclocked my memory past what the CPU could handle so it was silently corrupting all my data in the background. ZFS scrub found it immediately, fixed the corruption and let me know there was an issue. ZFS saved me bigtime like probably few file systems would.
Only good reason i could think of to use Unraid over Truenas is the lower power usage because you can spindown youre drives and only have to spin the single drive that you use back up if you need it.
In Truenas you need a 3rd party script to spin the HDD's down and you can only spin down/up the whole pool at once.
ZFS is designed from the ground up to prevent exactly what you are talking about. Even if you aren't using ECC with ZFS losing more disks than N is much higher on the risk list than a bit flip assuming you are observing best practices.
ECC RAM isn't a requirement for ZFS as called out. I've seen a lot of posts calling out the myth, with them all saying that not using ECC with ZFS isn't anymore of a concern than not using ECC with any other filesystem.
When you're in the enterprise and your data is important, you want to take every precaution that you can for your data to be safe, so you invest into ECC.
the 300$ is a total deal breaker. For the amount I save in using my own hardware I spend more for the OS than what I'd get for a Synology unit. A lifetime license for Unraid is cheaper than Hexos and unlike hexos it's not "just a truenas reskin".
HexOS is also trying to fill a weird spot. Anyone who doesn't have the tech know how to install an operating system from a USB drive would just get a Synology or Qnap unit and anyone who does have this knowledge would rather just google-fu their way through permissions than pay 300 bucks
yea, also probably cloud-dependent for at least the setup, so if the OS drive dies and their servers go down then the OS is useless
I somewhat disagree with it being in a weird spot, but I might just be their intended target audience. I am a tech-savy person I would say, but I do not really want to spend the time to configure and maintain a truenas install. All I want is a NAS with two drives running mirrored and the ability to configure some simple, user-based access-rules for the people in my house. As I am looking into plex and other apps, using these could also be of interest.
Ive seen the synology comment a few times, the thing most people don't think about is the fact that those synology nas's can never be upgraded. If you bought this license, you can run it on a $69 optiplex with a few drives but hey, maybe now you need plex with better transcoding? Drop a gpu in there and get it setup for transcoding. Hey you need more than 4 drives? Get a pcie sata expansion card and put more drives in. Yes to someone that doesn't need a homelab and just need some network storage, synology would be better, but then if you ever need more drive bays or more power, you're upgrading to a different synology device spending more money. They both have their usage in a similar space.
Agree to disagree. I can install this just fine, and i currently use truenas, but have zero interest in spending hours reading the docs to make sure I'm not screwing up the config and leaving something open to attack. I'm more than willing to pay for a simplified overlay that makes it easy to use
I just looked it up, and a lifetime lisence for Unraid is $250. Not that big of a difference, considering HexOS plans to be adding functionality ontop of TrueNAS, not just a reskin.
This would be great for my mom if I were to make her a server for my dads business
12:27 I think you meant to say vdev instead of pool here. It's been possible to expand the pool by adding vdevs for as long as I can remember. TrueNAS has only recently got the ability to expand vdevs. If you mean a single vdev pool then yes what you are saying is true in that specific case.
Do you know of hexos would work on a rasberry pi or only x86 based computers?
OMV/Truenas Scale~core are nice, i like all options for FREE! Now it's already at $199 for $199/199euro's i'll put some effort into it. And if for whatever reason HEXOS bites the dust? You loose it? Even though setting up TNS/c or OMV is a bit harder compared to hexos i don't think it's worth that much, specially when it's truenas scale underneath.
Being backed by Mr. Trust Me Bro seems like more of a liability. I'm not super seeing the target audience. It's for people that can DIY their own NAS but can't figure out TrueNAS or Unraid? Im not sure how many of those people there are. If you are building their hardware for your friend you are already permanent tech support, and anyone building their own I dont know how many will spend $300 for an EZ Mode skin on top of a free NAS OS.
so, the problem i have with the modern truenas scale, is apps default to the primary network interface and the user is unable to change it without some SIGNIFICANT research and tinkering. understandable that the average user will not have vlans running but for many of us, an app running on the same ip as the smb share or management interface is unacceptable. looks like its not different here. there should be options available, for advanced users, when a bridge is made. - was running scale 24 backed to core 13.3
@@SørenLaustsen-j9pYou got shares in it or something? You’ve cut & pasted this same reply to multiple comments. Weirdo.
Unraid does the same thing. It just give you error messages about to many NIC's. You can use them but i have not been able to make the error log stop.
It's kinda nice to have different UI for TrueNAS, but I dont see myself purchasing a license for it. I'll stick with the regular TrueNAS
The fact i need to login to a webserver is a non-starter for me. Price too. Good luck with that.
You won't, complete offline support will be there for v1.0. You probably weren't the target audience regardless.
The lead already confirmed there will full offline for the full release. I think there will also be a subscription model if you don't like the relatively ok lifetime price.
Would be awesome if they setup shared memory on GPU aswell:) So if i have plex + a passthrough vm that needs a GPU, transcoding with maybe 6gb from my 1080ti and the vm gets 4 or 5:)
HexOS is also getting some mainstream attention from linus tech tips
I've been wanting a NAS for a very long time, and Synology have kinda been the only thing I've been considering for the longest time. Can I install HexOS on Synology hardware? Would there be any point to doing so? Are there any synology-like NAS-boxes I should look to instead?
If I were to install this over my current TrueNas Scale installation will it recognize the pools I have already created?
People seem to forget that CasaOS exists, and not only exists, but it’s free and hardware agnostic
CasaOS is more a docker front end, not really a NAS... although it does have some storage functionality.
@ well I mean yeah but they’re beta testing some raid functionality and stuff to make it more of a nas os, I’ve been personally using it as a backup/media server
@@cesarvarela5438 I'm not being critical of you or CasaOS, I use it for stuff too. It's convenient and simple to use.. I run NextCloud on it (because I'm too paranoid to allow any part of my NAS unrestricted internet access). But it's not a replacement for a true NAS OS.
@@cesarvarela5438 casaos still isnt 1 click install. let's say to install plex and have it working, you still need to create and type in folder paths. Entry level IT geeks are willing to follow tutorials and figure that out but the average joe will be sitting there and wondering why plex isnt working despite it being installed
Pretty cool 👍
This is the OS for Hexenbiests
I am assuming you wipe the NAS to reclaim the serial if moving to a different machine
I like the aim, but that price tag, the fact it's a reskin of TrueNAS, and that apparently you have to "claim" your server on the cloud. Nope.
It's just a pretty UI for TrueNAS which is OK, a simple UI that just has basic features is a good idea but the whole Cloud requirement is a show stopper for me. I currently have TrueNAS and think their UI is OK but needs lots of work to make it good
TrueNAS is also backing it
Also for ZFS expansion now is this in a way similar to what has been possible with unraid? Can ayone smarter with storage than me explain what the pros and cons / differences are between having expandable ZFS pools and unraids multi drive meshing system
There is no import option on an existing truenas.
Not yet. It is Beta. Linus said this will be possible in a future release.
@Practical-IT
Linus says a lot of things.
@@hurlyzzzvery true
Definitely hard to justify the price when things like CasaOS exist. Hopefully they succeed, but to all my non technical friends, I just recommend they buy a Zima Board and it’s pretty much a turn key solution
Very nice but UNAS seems a way better choice the replace my TrueNAS because I want simplicity and I already have apps running in vms so its not a problem that UNAS doesnt let me install any apps. And ??? License free❤
Nice video! Thank you
Is it possible to switch from ZFS1 to ZFS2 without wiping the drives first?
Unfortunately no, you can't change raid types. You would have to copy the data off and then back.
@TechnoTim That's really unfortunate if one wants to gradually upgrade their storage space.
do you know if they will have ldap options
300$ for a trunas skin is crazy
300usd, and people say Unraid is expensive XD
$300 as just a one-time payment instead of having to pay a subscription every month for years to come is a pretty good deal
@@Sithhy Unraid is 249 for one-time payment, its a better deal
@@Sithhyfor a BETA
I just want the permissions thing to be moved to truenas tbh
Just use open Media vault
Firewall is not available?
Unused memory is useless memory. ;)
TrueNAS Scale had an issue when I created a pool. I had 8 SATA SSDs and 1 M.2 NVME. All 1 TB each.
When I created the pool it automatically selected all 1 TB drives, including the M.2 NVME since it was 1 TB
It didn't tell me about this and I discovered it by going to Disks and discovered that the M.2 driver was included in the pool.
I had to delete the pool and then do a manual setup and only select the SATA SSDs
Simplicity is not always grate.
What a good idea it is to have a backup server panel (able to format everything) being only accessible from a public website that can be breached anytime.
It's not a panel it's a UI first of all lol. There's a difference.
@@TierOneArma I would argue that as an interface that permit to control things it is a panel (but whatever). Does this changes anything about my point being that this is a bad decurity practice ?
if they had kept the $99 price it would be easy to reccomend, at the current price of $199 i'm not sure id go that direction over trunas. I should have just bought it at 99 to test for myself, but from the videos i dont see the value for the price.
You could previously expand your ZFS pool you just couldn't expand individual vdevs.
Thank you for the clarification!
Thumbs up for the review, but definitely not for the product or cost!
Even $99 is insane for something that is just a frontend. Calling it an OS is misleading at best. It's basically casaOS for truenas.
So every linux distro.
So basicly DSM but for any device?
If I have to pay for a NAS OS, I’m picking unraid. It’s mature and well maintained. A lifetime license for a brand new thing is really risky right now.
The audacity to sell roadmap promises coming from nowhere and providing as little as nothing for trustworthy background..
And for a such bald price and bussiness model that gives me flashbacks about notorious AAA games pre-orders from giant publishers.
Really sorry for those who fall for this.
P.S. 2:06 What's ESP doing in there?
Nope, Nope, Nope, if I have to have a internet connection to just activate this thing, Nope, nope nope
It will be a local installation in the near future
@@Sithhy
It seem to be tightly integrated into their cloud from his demo.
I hate subscriptions which is why I even watched this video, a for lifetime key for a NAS OS with some support, yea, sign me up, IF it doesn't need a internet connection to manage fully, and IF it doesn't report any telemetry or usage (without paying me money for my data)
@@markgilbert5856I would love to see a developer try to pay you the fractions of a cent your data is worth.
"NVME drive in there" :)
I'm not sure who they're targeting with this. The majority of people who aren't 'techy' use Google, iCloud, or Amazon. People who edit photos / videos mostly will buy Synology. Those that want to self host have many options that are free, along with many helpful UA-cam videos.
What about the people who don't want a Synology but also don't want to spend 6 months trying to learn how to self host?
@@SørenLaustsen-j9p You keep posting this everywhere in the comment section (might be a bot). Sorry to say, but LTT has a stake in the company, which means their videos about it will not be objective even if they are helpful for understanding what it does. In the end, it's just a simple ui/ux skin job that they are overcharging for.
Literally CasaOS is free and open source
I think this has a place in between. Installing TrueNAS/Unraid/OMV/whatever, learning about pools, ACLs/user permissions, datasets, SMB shares, docker apps, etc is a niche within a niche within a niche. From what I've seen so far, HexOS makes everything I mentioned just a single click for each, which is perfect for people that want to selfhost but don't have the time for the steep learning curve required. Most people pay for convenience.
I'm personally happy with my TrueNAS Scale + Unraid + Proxmox homelab, but if I had HexOS 5 years ago I would have totally started with that.
@@corail53😂 simple.. tell me you’re not a developer without telling me
Price is already $199, does HexOS have any advantage over Unraid LTD which is only $50 more?
Toxic purple color of the UI elements is a secret feature to keep you awake while managing your NAS.
No clear all in notifications? I saw the X but not a clear all
I feel like calling HexOS an OS is a little disingenuous given in it's current state anyway, The HEX part is a Front end for Truenas. It's a pretty interface for scripted actions. While not inconsiderable, I feel like the uneducated are going to miss the "Powered by TrueNAS" or even care about the "Switch to TrueNAS Interface" mode. What happens if / when something goes wrong and now you have to work through recovery or maintenance, I really doubt there will never be a time a home admin won't have to get under the hood. Maybe better to throw them in the pool with full fat TrueNAS for no OS cost and point them to the numerous YT vids that take you through Step By Step or just set up a Windows file share for the trully uninitiated. So, agree streamlining TrueNAS as a more "Home Admin" friendly option is appealing and maybe buying into the $99 pricepoint is attractive, I still feel like this is polishing a rock and telling you its a gemstone.
There are home users that are setting up a NAS on an OLD laptop using USB drives for their data. I know this makes some of us cringe, but HexOS is made specifically for this ‘type’ of user. USB drive listings should stay and you can stop commenting on how they shouldn’t show up in future review videos - as you have to be able to see what crowd HexOS is made for if you’re going to be reviewing it.
I'll stick with truenas
Not very interesting for me. I’ll stick to FreeNAS it’s easy enough to figure it out.
by saying: "HexOS is a new NAS operating system"...you mean a UI skin overlayed over TruNAS, right? they are taking a free product, adding a novice/beginner overlayed UI, and then charging $300 a server...yeah, i think Linus is going to regret the 250k he just gave them.
I don't think so, I am the target market for this.I bought one already and will probably buy another one later. I am a software developer and already have TrueNAS running on my DIY nas. It was a pain to set up, and a pain to make ANY changes at all to it. I don't want to waste my time figuring out how it works all over again for a change (file system ACLs with shares that have their own ACL are a pain in the ass). Why do people buy those pre build underpowered NAS solutions that synology, QNAP, etc sell? Because its easy and the software is easy. This is targeted towards that.
Literally the company who makes TrueNAS is also an investor in this too, so I think there is a market for it and that they will be fine.
Not to mention this product already exists it is called CasaOS and is free for anyone and very simple to use
@@TheStarfox707 Software dev and is a pain to set true nas? Smh
@@Llyonard software dev, not system administrator or network engineer
@DrProfessorOmni-ib1lx did you write the contacts app on your phone and install email servers from scratch before sending an email? Most people dont have the same hobby as yours and want "1 click just works" solutions while enjoying the benefits such software can provide
$300 is wild when Unraid is around.
I'm in love with the HexOS UI, but i will never be able to justify $100 for the Windows machine i use DAILY, let alone $300 for a NAS i set and forget.
I'd gladly pay $5 a month or MAYBE $100 lifetime. But even that's a stretch.
Again, I LOVE the mission. But the price doesn't work for me.
Unraid has a 249 lifetime membership on their site. 50 more for an easy to use skin backed by truenas them self, not a bad deal.
For me it's simple, price yourself. Let's say $20 an hour. Then ask yourself how many hours this will save you.
Edit: maybe that math doesn't add up for you but it might.
@@undercatviper 0 hours because unraid exists
They are indeed talking about a subscription version sooo
@@undercatviper Bingo. People don't consider this enough.
Looks extremely promising. Not $300 promising.