Yes, but it's not cheap. For the same price I could build a 20-bay hot swap rack server using new parts (and have a lot of fun doing it). Okay, it won't be using server-grade parts and it will be using a less then premium case, but one could argue the same of the Lockerstor. If they just gave us a really nice looking 8 or 12 bay NAS case I'd be super happy. Rack servers are large and loud and not everybody has space for a 42U wiring closet.
Their website says when you mix ecc and non ecc they both perform as non ecc. Copy paste from their sites spec page Support mixed capacity Supports ECC memory ECC functionality will be disabled if non-ECC memory is installed or mixed with ECC memory
The APUs don't support ECC. They could've gone for a higher core count Ryzen Embedded, but I guess they didn't want to deal with the higher TDP, and it's not really worth it for a basic NAS.
testing with "28tb hardds" that's already a win. Synology is still in1990 and no support for 26 or 28Tb drives. No nas or extension bay recognize the new HDDS from Synology. Is there any way to add extension bay to this?
Rumor is the Synology 1825+ is coming out this spring, I don't think it'll be much different than the 1821+ other than CPU from the "leaked information"
Okay, this is a very cool looking product. The dual 10gb nics are most interesting to me, as does all the NVME options. I don't need so much SATA drive space though. But I saw ones with less. I think I'm going to wander over to Asustor and have a closer look at the full line up of these.
Love it! I've got a SYNOLOGY 4-bay with the two M.2 slots for read/write caching. But been looking at upgrading with more modern cpu's and higher bandwidth ethernet nics
I'd really like to see one of these small NAS things using a std form factor motherboard, and std form factor PSU, and a std PCI slot. That way in 5+ years that case is at least still useful, and I don't need to try and pull a hardware haven and cram a NUC into it.
Have the 10 bay next to me right now, as a NAS it does the job. I do have some gripes though and these do no change the fact that it is a solid machine, they just tickle my annoyance nerve: - The apps, leave much to be desired. This I find to be the largest downside. They just feel rushed and are often trials or limited in such a way that it makes me shake my head - Backup apps especially leave me disappointed. Veaam to the rescue for me there... - The backup button uses a USB 3.2 ... WHY!!! you have 2 USB-C connections at 40 Gbps ... I want to use that button with one of those connections but no. It would make copying the most recent backups done by veaam onto the nas that much faster. - The trays could be slightly better, this is a minor thing but the lever doesn't really work to pull the disk in place like it would on say a server. - Volume management and all that is ... well dumbed down with no 'advanced' mode. I want to be able to tweak things. Again on the whole the device is a keeper for people that need a NAS, If you want it to double as a container or VM host though better options exist. Gearing up a Supermicro Superstorage for that myself atm.
not going to lie, the new flashstore lineup from them is almost perfect. Small, lowpower and tons of nvme slots.... Only seen three negative things are price, can't connect to pc/mac directly via usb4 and not having intel nic. Pcie lane distribution is also kinda odd (one had 4x other had 1x etc and some were different pcie gens). I will probably pick one at some point. To me LOCKERSTOR lineup isn't really interesting as that is something you can build almost in same form factor your self where as flashstore build is actually kinda difficult. i havent seen mobo that can hold as many ssd:s and you would require multiple pcie add-on cards to get 12 slots, even if using multiple onboards ssd slots. m.2 also seems to be most popular standard so i expect these drives to be cheaper on the long run compared to 2.5 drives.
The PCIe distribution is what kills it for me. I want the flash in one big pool, that would make the max speed per drive PCIe 3x1 and I dont like that at all. Especially not at that price
I would argue that by definition, something that is spherical cannot be a box. However I'm assuming Wendell actually meant to say cylindrical. (Thanks for the video, these spinning + M.2 Nas devices are very interesting.)
Welcome to 2025 were Wendal uses 28 TB of spinning rust :) At least I have an upgrade path on my 12 TB drives. My NAS case only has 8 bays. BTRFS raid 6 cause reasons :P
Completely random question, how much slower would optane nvme be than system memory for cpu ai tasks? I don’t have any optane drives or a way to test, but I’ve been playing with local models on phones, pc cpus and discrete gpus and always hit a ram limit before I hit a “too slow to bother” limit.
I recently build a NAS PC for home. Storing some family memories (video and photos collected for 15 years). Used a brand new Ryzen 5600gt cpu (6 cores/12 threads - 3.6GHz/4.6GHz) gigabyte a520m k V2 mobo (cheap but Ultra durable solid capacitors) 32GB of RAM (nonECC - it was a choice for making more budget friendly). And I think most exciting part is software TrueNas Scale completely free. I used some of my already owned 4TB WD HDD's and bought two more. Used Raidz2 config with 4x4TB setup. Any 2 HDD failures and zero data loss. All this specs and only a fraction of best branded ones. Cheaper even adding HDDs. If you are into building up computers, it's a joyful adventure. This asustors connection capabilities are great btw. Thanks for the nice video. Greetings from 🇹🇷👋
I'm currently debating how to set up my 8 drives (6 12TB HDD, 2 SSD). Would you recommend 1 VDEV with 6 drives in Raidz2 or 2 VDEVs with 3 drives each in Raidz1?
I have 3 asustor nas's and I've been really happy with them. One was a shared storage for a hypervisor cluster (cluster since retired) and 2 for personal back ups/media serving. I've been really happy with them, and I feel like the horsepower you get for the price is a cut above other vendors. I don't have anything to add to the conversation other than a general recommendation for them. I was leery at first going with a cheaper pre-built solution vs a Synology, but I'm really happy with the choice and I'll continue to use asustor in the future.
I can't imagine paying $1800 for something I could build for half. I couldn't be possibly rich enough. only way I could do it is if I had zero time but then I wouldn't be messing with this stuff to begin with
A good PC with extra network card is still a better and cheaper system if you know how to setup linux. The only thing you never get from Desktop Cases are hot swappable Disks.
Did I just miss it or did Wendell not mention that this thing has dual 10 gig and dual 5 gig ethernet? I was looking at the product page at they have 4 ethernet ports.
Excellent presentation. Thank you. I must admit some disappointment with four PCIe 4.0 slots only having 1-lane each. I hate to spend the money on a nice fast 2280 PCIe 4 x4 drive and then chop it at the knees with an x1 limit/cap. I honestly think that if you are only going to give me 4 lanes, just do it with one drive/slot at full x4 speed. At least my drive and investment will run at full speed versus 25%.
anyhow, I hope china soon starts to flush the market with cheap but ok-ish ram and flash nand so we finally get affordable huge capacity ssds, would need to consolidate a few dozen hdds ranging from 80GB to 8TB and an old collection of a few hundred cd and dvd /if they are still viable/ all in all about 100TB netto /after wiping redundant and obsolete data about half-ish/ and it would be really nice if I could do it in one tiny compact form factor like asus flashstor with 6or12 m.2 @16TB capacity per drive that should launch any time now or the terramaster with 2or4 U.2 @60TB with prices for endconsumer around or below 30eur per TB independent on scaling, currently you have meh 1TB for around 50eur and up to 8TB it scales up to 650-1050 eur, and the 60TB solidibm U.2 is around 7500 eur
I would like to see the Link Layer Discovery Protocol (LLDP) on units like this. If you have multiple NAS devices with multiple LAN connections LLPD is helpful organizing the cables.
After having used several models over the years, I'd never touch another ASUSTOR product. Terrible overall quality, basically nonexistent support, and they EOL products without even notifying anyone.
I won't buy a NAS appliance until they move away from the proprietary parts. A shady PS off of AliExpress just isn't the quality I like to see. Why not just make it a little bigger and infinitely more repairable? But maybe I should just quit thinking in ten-year hardware lives.
Asustor has been hitting the creator circuit hard after being a veritable ghost for years now. Given the sideways nature of sponsors lately, you'll excuse me if I wait a few years to see how this all pans out. 🤣 Besides, these things are overpriced given the alternatives out there - presumably to cover the cost of all the sponsor spots. 🤪
Engineer who worked on Thunderbolt connectivity at 27:00: 🥹
Same engineer, at 29:15: 🥺
You have great powers, Jeff. The comment shows up as being posted 4 weeks ago. While viewing this on Jan 30th, 13 hours after it was posted... 🤯 Wow!
1:00 "Memory expandable up to UA-cam" - impressive!
“im quite inebriated” is a vibe
but that NAS is NASty! :)
A quite ingenious statement when it comes to compelled EULAs
What's nice is that the four bay model also has all the same hardware as far as I can see so nothing was taken away besides the bay count.
5:14 Swiss Army Knife screwdriver FTW
12:54 Wendell, at 11am? (OK, shooting time versus posting time)
Yes, but it's not cheap. For the same price I could build a 20-bay hot swap rack server using new parts (and have a lot of fun doing it). Okay, it won't be using server-grade parts and it will be using a less then premium case, but one could argue the same of the Lockerstor.
If they just gave us a really nice looking 8 or 12 bay NAS case I'd be super happy. Rack servers are large and loud and not everybody has space for a 42U wiring closet.
Jonsbo N5.
I would love to see the comparison between this Asustor Nas and the minisforum N5 Pro
Their website says when you mix ecc and non ecc they both perform as non ecc.
Copy paste from their sites spec page
Support mixed capacity
Supports ECC memory
ECC functionality will be disabled if non-ECC memory is installed or mixed with ECC memory
that's what I said, I thought lol
Can it run -Crysis- Truenas?
Surprised they didn't go with a six-core cpu or one of the recent 8000-series APU's with the 890M GPU
The APUs don't support ECC. They could've gone for a higher core count Ryzen Embedded, but I guess they didn't want to deal with the higher TDP, and it's not really worth it for a basic NAS.
testing with "28tb hardds" that's already a win. Synology is still in1990 and no support for 26 or 28Tb drives. No nas or extension bay recognize the new HDDS from Synology.
Is there any way to add extension bay to this?
I have the Gen 2 6 bay version has been solid for past year
Hi, nice video, what is the power consumption in idle and full load?
Your videos do me a lot of good, especially when I am right about to sit down for dinner! 😬
2:58 I want to do this with LTO tapes if the cost for drives wasn't horrendous.
I run eight 14TB drives in my Synology 1821+ with 32GB memory and 10G card
Rumor is the Synology 1825+ is coming out this spring, I don't think it'll be much different than the 1821+ other than CPU from the "leaked information"
Plug and Pray!
Okay, this is a very cool looking product. The dual 10gb nics are most interesting to me, as does all the NVME options. I don't need so much SATA drive space though. But I saw ones with less. I think I'm going to wander over to Asustor and have a closer look at the full line up of these.
Okay, I have a question - why does it have dual 10gb as well as dual 5gb connectivity?
Love it! I've got a SYNOLOGY 4-bay with the two M.2 slots for read/write caching. But been looking at upgrading with more modern cpu's and higher bandwidth ethernet nics
I've heard great things about the ugreen NASs if you havn't heard of them.
What are you talking about Starlink and NAT IP's?
They have an option to get a public IP from their app interface
Has Asustor software and support improved?
Good job. I like what you got!
Insane price IMO.
3x used dl380 gen 10 for the same money....
Nice review, is Asustor related to ASUS?
they are a subsidiary to ASUS, similar to ASRock and ASRockRACK
They spilt a very long time ago and are primarily independent.
Please please make this in a rack format.
I'd really like to see one of these small NAS things using a std form factor motherboard, and std form factor PSU, and a std PCI slot. That way in 5+ years that case is at least still useful, and I don't need to try and pull a hardware haven and cram a NUC into it.
There is no reason to, coz people wanting to do it will build their own ITX NAS
I’m torn between a smaller lockerstor gen3 and an upgraded Synology 1522+ for light home lab.
Nice Swiss Army knife you got there 👀 the CyberTool 😎 Really enjoy your content. Much love from Switzerland🤓
Could you not use a USB4 connec tor to add a GPU to improve video encoding speed?
answerednear the end: not possible, GPu is detected but not used by the OS...
Open Adventure "This is amazing", Wendell your Nerd is showing. 😁😁😁😁
Maybe I missed this, how well does it cool those drives? Would the Seagate Exos be a good fit or should I stick to the IronWolf Pro series?
Have the 10 bay next to me right now, as a NAS it does the job. I do have some gripes though and these do no change the fact that it is a solid machine, they just tickle my annoyance nerve:
- The apps, leave much to be desired. This I find to be the largest downside. They just feel rushed and are often trials or limited in such a way that it makes me shake my head
- Backup apps especially leave me disappointed. Veaam to the rescue for me there...
- The backup button uses a USB 3.2 ... WHY!!! you have 2 USB-C connections at 40 Gbps ... I want to use that button with one of those connections but no. It would make copying the most recent backups done by veaam onto the nas that much faster.
- The trays could be slightly better, this is a minor thing but the lever doesn't really work to pull the disk in place like it would on say a server.
- Volume management and all that is ... well dumbed down with no 'advanced' mode. I want to be able to tweak things.
Again on the whole the device is a keeper for people that need a NAS, If you want it to double as a container or VM host though better options exist. Gearing up a Supermicro Superstorage for that myself atm.
not going to lie, the new flashstore lineup from them is almost perfect. Small, lowpower and tons of nvme slots.... Only seen three negative things are price, can't connect to pc/mac directly via usb4 and not having intel nic. Pcie lane distribution is also kinda odd (one had 4x other had 1x etc and some were different pcie gens). I will probably pick one at some point. To me LOCKERSTOR lineup isn't really interesting as that is something you can build almost in same form factor your self where as flashstore build is actually kinda difficult. i havent seen mobo that can hold as many ssd:s and you would require multiple pcie add-on cards to get 12 slots, even if using multiple onboards ssd slots. m.2 also seems to be most popular standard so i expect these drives to be cheaper on the long run compared to 2.5 drives.
The PCIe distribution is what kills it for me. I want the flash in one big pool, that would make the max speed per drive PCIe 3x1 and I dont like that at all. Especially not at that price
we call it "plug and pray"😊
Is there a hub that makes smb multichannel available to one client network interface?
I would argue that by definition, something that is spherical cannot be a box. However I'm assuming Wendell actually meant to say cylindrical.
(Thanks for the video, these spinning + M.2 Nas devices are very interesting.)
On further thought, can something be spherical if it has a dome top but a cubed bottom?
I assumed he meant the outer box was so badly damaged in shipping, that the once-box was closer to a sphere shape.
What about a Zpool using Linux with ZFS
Welcome to 2025 were Wendal uses 28 TB of spinning rust :) At least I have an upgrade path on my 12 TB drives. My NAS case only has 8 bays. BTRFS raid 6 cause reasons :P
Not being able to install my own OS is just a dealbreaker for me, sadly. Shame because the hardware seems nice and very well put together.
Completely random question, how much slower would optane nvme be than system memory for cpu ai tasks? I don’t have any optane drives or a way to test, but I’ve been playing with local models on phones, pc cpus and discrete gpus and always hit a ram limit before I hit a “too slow to bother” limit.
does this fit in the newer 10inch rack form factor?
Well, move over Synology. This is a great machine that would be great for even small businesses.
I recently build a NAS PC for home. Storing some family memories (video and photos collected for 15 years). Used a brand new Ryzen 5600gt cpu (6 cores/12 threads - 3.6GHz/4.6GHz) gigabyte a520m k V2 mobo (cheap but Ultra durable solid capacitors) 32GB of RAM (nonECC - it was a choice for making more budget friendly). And I think most exciting part is software TrueNas Scale completely free. I used some of my already owned 4TB WD HDD's and bought two more. Used Raidz2 config with 4x4TB setup. Any 2 HDD failures and zero data loss. All this specs and only a fraction of best branded ones. Cheaper even adding HDDs. If you are into building up computers, it's a joyful adventure. This asustors connection capabilities are great btw. Thanks for the nice video. Greetings from 🇹🇷👋
ua-cam.com/video/38eAw2BsUus/v-deo.html
+1 for the ZORK clone! ❤
I'm currently debating how to set up my 8 drives (6 12TB HDD, 2 SSD). Would you recommend 1 VDEV with 6 drives in Raidz2 or 2 VDEVs with 3 drives each in Raidz1?
Oooh, looks good, and that's just after the intro 😊
Lost me at no alternative OS :-(
You can install TrueNAS*
But you need an NVME to PCIe 16x adapter + a GPU + a jumpered desktop PSU + to disable the eMMC in the BIOS
@@TroyFontaine Thanks for that, does sound like a lot of extra effort.
This feels like about a $6000 project.
Outro Music Artist/Song ?
Blue Dream by Cheel, from the UA-cam Creator Music
I have 3 asustor nas's and I've been really happy with them. One was a shared storage for a hypervisor cluster (cluster since retired) and 2 for personal back ups/media serving. I've been really happy with them, and I feel like the horsepower you get for the price is a cut above other vendors.
I don't have anything to add to the conversation other than a general recommendation for them. I was leery at first going with a cheaper pre-built solution vs a Synology, but I'm really happy with the choice and I'll continue to use asustor in the future.
I can't imagine paying $1800 for something I could build for half. I couldn't be possibly rich enough. only way I could do it is if I had zero time but then I wouldn't be messing with this stuff to begin with
In Canada, a 45Drives HL8 server is cheaper...
edit.. oops HL8 does not use ECC ram... sad...
I always watch these reviews then immediately head to Aliexpress to trawl the stuff I can actually afford.
Such a shame that there's no SAS support
A good PC with extra network card is still a better and cheaper system if you know how to setup linux.
The only thing you never get from Desktop Cases are hot swappable Disks.
Can the front usb port be used for ingress of footage from a usb SSD for example? Or isnt the button that scriptable? 🙄😁
Does any one know of a motherboard with one of these power efficient ryzen cpus, that you can actually buy?
Nascompares regularly reviews those iirc
Did I just miss it or did Wendell not mention that this thing has dual 10 gig and dual 5 gig ethernet? I was looking at the product page at they have 4 ethernet ports.
He did mention that
7:30 fkn lol
12:53 hahaha
Excellent presentation. Thank you. I must admit some disappointment with four PCIe 4.0 slots only having 1-lane each. I hate to spend the money on a nice fast 2280 PCIe 4 x4 drive and then chop it at the knees with an x1 limit/cap. I honestly think that if you are only going to give me 4 lanes, just do it with one drive/slot at full x4 speed. At least my drive and investment will run at full speed versus 25%.
looked interesting until I looked up the price. Its not for me. Maybe for a small business but not for me.
Isnt Asustor just a rebranded and reskinned QNAP? I do like them. Ideal for plug and play. For me, I prefer building my TrueNAS Systems.
No
Overpriced, and why offer jellyfin if there's no gpu/apu is beyond me
Can we use SLI on modern graphics cards?
If so how? Also where do I find any software needed?
I hate that these NAS devices are always a Bajillion dollars.... :(
It’s based on features and performance.
rare sounds expensive.
anyhow, I hope china soon starts to flush the market with cheap but ok-ish ram and flash nand so we finally get affordable huge capacity ssds, would need to consolidate a few dozen hdds ranging from 80GB to 8TB and an old collection of a few hundred cd and dvd /if they are still viable/ all in all about 100TB netto /after wiping redundant and obsolete data about half-ish/ and it would be really nice if I could do it in one tiny compact form factor like asus flashstor with 6or12 m.2 @16TB capacity per drive that should launch any time now or the terramaster with 2or4 U.2 @60TB with prices for endconsumer around or below 30eur per TB independent on scaling, currently you have meh 1TB for around 50eur and up to 8TB it scales up to 650-1050 eur, and the 60TB solidibm U.2 is around 7500 eur
I would like to see the Link Layer Discovery Protocol (LLDP) on units like this. If you have multiple NAS devices with multiple LAN connections LLPD is helpful organizing the cables.
After having used several models over the years, I'd never touch another ASUSTOR product. Terrible overall quality, basically nonexistent support, and they EOL products without even notifying anyone.
I won't buy a NAS appliance until they move away from the proprietary parts. A shady PS off of AliExpress just isn't the quality I like to see. Why not just make it a little bigger and infinitely more repairable? But maybe I should just quit thinking in ten-year hardware lives.
Asustor has been hitting the creator circuit hard after being a veritable ghost for years now. Given the sideways nature of sponsors lately, you'll excuse me if I wait a few years to see how this all pans out. 🤣 Besides, these things are overpriced given the alternatives out there - presumably to cover the cost of all the sponsor spots. 🤪
These Gen 3 Asustor NAS are nice, but way overpriced.
The most overpriced NAS on the market
What other ootb NAS compares?
@@dllemm You can buy a FULLY populated Synology 8 bay with the 10gb upgrade for less money ...they are smoking crack