I own the A7 IV but stabilization drives me nuts. How reliable is S5 II autofocus compared to Sony? That's the only thing holding me from switching systems.
@@eludereluded Oh man, the IBIS on the S5II is 🤯, my RS3 has been collecting dust since January, and it just transformed my shooting experience. The AF is good, but I would say either the Sony it was more plug-&-Play, with the S5II I found that I had to be more specific about what mode to use in different scenarios, but once I learned that I would say it’s as reliable as the Sony.
@@9adriano21 I noticed quite a few complaints of the wobbles in the corners with IBIS at wide focal lengths like 20-35mm, but then on some peoples videos it doesn't really seem to show at all. How has it been for you? I do more lifestyle/run and gun shoots so I want to avoid big rigs and gimbals, so I'm considering the S5 II mostly for the IBIS at this point, since I find most of my handheld out of my A7 III to be unusable due to jitters/shakes without a stabiliser/rig.
@@Matt-fo4gg no wobbles, they only happen at like 16mm if you’re being a complete snob with the camera, if you put any sort of effort into holding the camera decently the IBIS does it’s job
Very good review as always Josh! For me the fact that you get useable autofocus with Canon EF lenses on the Panasonic puts it ahead for me. I tested it and it works!
Thanks! Yeah that is a big bonus if you have a lot of EF lenses. I've seen some mixed results, but some lenses perform really well. The only EF lens I tried was the Sigma 28mm and it worked well with the MC21. I also use that lens on Sony camera with MC11 and it works great. I think in general the Sigma EF lenses play well with the Sigma adapters.
Sony a7IV have more dynamic range on the paper because internal noise reduction is strongly applied. This is also why on sony camera we have the impression that their camera manages noise better. With noise reduction added in post production, the S5II exceeds 13 stop.
@@huzainisahmawi I would be curious to see your version and not just a contradiction without detail or proof. Josh's tests seem strange to me, because I was able to do my own test (with an s5iix) and on this same contrast test, and I had slightly better results on the s5iix, the dark part was slightly more lit and the highlights quite similar. I had done the same test with an xh2s and even the xh2s had a better result than the a7IV. Concerning the figures, unfortunately, the fact that Sony applies a large noise reduction distorts the results. Because the figures that Josh gives are those of the “clean” stops. Noise reduction increases this figure. This value will be much lower on a raw file for example, because more noise or other noise reduction is not applied.
@@peterra2532 Yes with noise reduction turned on in camera or applied in post the Lumix dynamic range would be the same as the Sony. They both use the same sensor. This is seen in cameras like the A7S3 which again has noise reduction that cannot be shut off. Compared against the FX6 where it can be controlled. The FX6 scores lower in dynamic range despite being the same sensor. Yes noise reduction gives the appearance of more dynamic range.
Nice video. I believe that Sony with its much hyped already established features is given a close chase almost giving it a run for it's money by generation 1 Lumix S5 II, makes me go in favour of Lumix. And video features make it a clear winner. I have tried waving hands but didn't find a loss of focus even once. May be some focus setting which you probably missed.. It's Lumix any day..
Great comparison as always Josh! I actually come from the Sony A7IV & Canon R6 and ended up switching to the S5II. The color science on the S5II is absolutely beautiful. Stabilization drive me nuts on Canon & Sony, the S5II is a nice step up in real world use cases. AF for me on the LUMIX is great, they have a few kinks to iron out, but in their first iteration of hybrid PDAF, I think it’s great and a slight step behind Sony. I’ve used Sony and Canon a for years and I can truly say that LUMIX is right with those guys!
@@JerimiahCook try the a7iv or newer…. I have A7iv, FX30 and Panasonic S5ii…. I can 100% depend on the Sonys… Panasonic is getting better but still nowhere there especially in lower light environments it greatly suffers.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like you need to turn up the lights a bit in studio. For example, when you're showing the camera bodies on your desk at 19:10, it's almost too dark to actually see what you're pointing out (e.g. the port doors, etc).
The Lumix s5ii lacks two features that I find also important for many users, when recording 1080p 48/50/60/120fps video with full sensor will switched to contrast focus and when taking pictures with flash (godox V1, v860ii...) mounted on the camera body Liveview Effect (Constant Preview) will automatically turn off can't help you adjust the exposure displayed on the monitor when taking pictures. Yesterday, lumix released a firmware update that improves focusing when using AF-C, and I'm very pleased with this first update that delivers excellent focusing speed on the Lumix no inferior to other cameras. I hope they will continue to improve on the remaining issues so that the Lumix will be an even more well-received camera.
Fair review. I have two A7IV's and an S5. I bought the Sony's due to the terrific auto-focus and 7K oversampled video. Awesome stills and video camera and, as your video shows, measurably and visibly better rendering and dynamic range than the S5. And just to share this with others who may be considering the A7IV, but are concerned about overheating, neither of mine have suffered from this after a year of shooting video, even in 100+* temperatures. The only caveat to this is my video clips rarely exceed 5 minutes at a time - which probably is the same as the majority of video shooters. But it's a terrific camera, and I've found the battery life is even slightly greater than the S5. As for the image stabilization, at focal lengths of 30mm and wider, I find the stabilzation (in Active Stabilization, not Standard) to actually be slightly better than the S5. Beyond 30mm (for me) the S5 is noticeably better. But this is only while walking - otherwise it's a draw. The Hybrid Shooter actually has a video proving this out. I love my S5 and use it often, but honestly think the Sony A7IV is still the better hybrid option (at this time), even while being criticized unfairly for faults most of us never experience in practice.
Why do you keep S5 then? I'm curious because I own an S5 and I plan to sell it and get A7IV. For me, the deal breaker is HDMI latency on Lumix, and I'm shocked they didn't fix it with their new cameras, which makes their Raw over hdmi unusable, hence useless. So I wanna try Sony. Though I'll probably miss shutter angle and luts.
@@BorisTheArtist - Great question. I like the handling/ergonomics of the S5 slightly better than the A7IV and, in low light shooting, think the S5 actually has better image quality - though the differences are slight unless it's extremely dark. As for the latency, I don't use external monitors and such so cant comment, though I suppose it comes down to processing power/speed. As for LUTS, I edit in Premiere Pro, so plug them in there. I missed the shutter angle as well, initially, but found an easy and useful work-around. I programmed my 60P and 120P settings to 1 and 2 respectively on the PASM dial, so switching between 24P, 60P and 120P is quick and easy, and forgetting to adjust shutter speed is no longer an issue. It's turning out to be a terrific hybrid camera, though I think I'll always like the ergonomics and handling of the Panasonics, even though the differences are slight these days. People complain about the short grip of the Sony's, but with an L-bracket, or bottom bracket, or cage attached, it's a non-issue.
Oh, I love it when Josh cures my gear acquisition syndrome! I was blown away by the dynamic range difference. I know that the A74 kills my old R5, but I thought on paper the S5 II would be similar. But the A74 actually can outperform the C70 if you push some extra light shadow noise reduction in post. I would love to see a comparison between the A74 dynamic range and something way above its weight class because I feel like guys with cine cameras don't like to talk about that lol
Guys with cine cameras could care less. They light their sets and control their lighting and get paid to create content. They are more concerned with the utility of a camera like form factor, xlr inputs, internal ND, robust codecs and frame rates with video centric tools like histograms, false color etc. 90% of the people who obsess about stuff like autofocus don’t make a living creating video content and would probably never use either of these 2 cameras to their fullest abilities.
@@mrbutts2597 Don't forget rolling shutter performance. Very tough for me to enjoy shooting with slow readout speeds after running an r5c since last summer. Love the image we get out of our a7iv's and fx30's but I'm not crazy about the jello.
Also, the seemingly unpredictable overheating of the a7iv is a huge turnoff. I've run it all day for weddings with no issues, then pulled it out for an indoor interview and couldn't get it to stop overheating in 4k24 after 3 or 4 minutes of recording. Extremely frustrating. Same reason I got rid of the r6. I'm uncomfortable trusting something that may inexplicably render itself useless in low temp controlled conditions.
@@mrbutts2597 I don’t have a single autofocus lens for my A74 lol I’m an in house cinematographer and I have access to multiple cinema cameras but I work at an outdoor store and generally need as small and as light as possible because I have to hike miles to shooting locations. So there is still indeed a full time, with income, application for these cameras…but I’m always curious about how much I’m losing by shooting with the smaller form factor because I feel like it’s not much, ya know? And yes, I know about all the cinema camera features my dude, I’m strictly talking about dynamic range.
@@matt_berg_media I totally feel you there…I shoot a lot on my 20mm f1.4 because of that. Part of me wants the A1 for the rolling shutter alone because you lose some of the hybrid capability and dynamic range shooting with the A7s3…but I can’t justify the price of the A1 at the moment lol
Good video man. I'm a little surprised to see you noticed a green shift on the S5ii. I use the S1 and it leans towards magenta, which drives me crazy. I have the Sigma 28mm and 40mm Art lenses. Both of these are "sleeper" super sharp lenses. The 28mm(on a Fuji XH2) is perfect for giving the 40mm look on crop sensor cameras.
Thanks! I've never used the original S5, but just reporting on what I've seen with my copy of the S5 II. After adding the technical LUT, it definitely shifts a bit magenta but not difficult to correct. Yes, those lenses are super good. I really want to pick up the 40 as well!
so as per some folks who have had both S5 i and ii, there was a meaningful difference in color. I far prefer the colors on my Sonys (FX30 and A7iv) to my S5ii.
Not sure about the Lumix, but the a7IV 120fps mode is super sharp when you put it in super35 mode. Not sure why, or what's going on when you do that but the it's a massive improvement over the full frame image quality when shooting in 120fps. Handy ecause generally I'm happy to get more range in most cases that I'm shooting slow motion.
Can you test S&Q 4K 60 aps-c (conformed to 24 fps)? On my copy, it seems like PDAF doesn't work in that mode. Seems to work fine in the normal 4K 60. Edit: On the Panasonic S5 MKII
Great video as per usual! I have been considering both of these as a b-cam (to the fx3). The allure of Lumix's stabilization is there and the open gate but the slightly subpar autofocus does give me pause. The a74 seems like the smarter option (but the overheating also gives me some hesitancy)... and then there's the fx30. I wonder how the s52 would compare against the fx30?
Thanks! It's difficult to sum that up in a comment here and I haven't compared the FX30 and S5II directly. The S5II will give you full frame, better DR, low light, stab and more video features. FX30 will give you better AF and the Sony lens ecosystem. I'm sure there would be a lot more to compare, but those are the main things that come to mind.
@@Josh_Sattin thank you... that is helpful! I appreciate you taking the time to make that list! I currently have the fx3 and the a7c and I'm over trying to match 8 and 10bit, so lucky for me your channel has all the cams I'm considering getting. I'll probably just do a deep dive in some more of your comparison videos. Thanks again!
I don't see people from sony thinking to switch to panasonic , its most likely should we stay in panasonic and the answer is YES . I have GH5 and S5 . and New AF system that we've been waiting for 10 years is finally here (with ofc some bugs ) but it's a new one that works way better than 10 year of upgrading an AF with the wrong technology. If you want to be photo+ video based choose SONY . If you want to be more focus on video take S5 II (specially with FD lens ) the ibis is so good for handheld broll. Im personnaly waiting for S5 IIX and yes ill upgrade from S5 despite there is no real big changes in the image quality but a good AF is definalty something i want
Thank you for this great review, Josh! In terms of video quality and features, which camera would you recommend between the Lumix S5 IIX and the Fuji X-H2S for cinematic run and gun situations? Cheers
You're welcome. I don't have a direct comparison video between those two cameras. They are both loaded with video features and are good value. The bigger question I would ask first is, what lenses do you need and which system makes more sense?
I know that both cameras are amazing, which makes the choice so difficult. It would be great if you could make a comparison between the two, there really isn't one on UA-cam! Between FF and APS-C, there isn't much difference for me, my biggest concern is about the image quality and usability. Do you feel a significant difference between the two in terms of image quality and dynamic range? Thanks!
the best for me is the lumix ! Built-in lut, superior color science to Sony, ventilation and lot of function. Leica is not far! In photos the difference is even stronger! And all this for best price!
I was at Osaka Castle, yesterday looking at the peach blossoms. I saw a guy with a Sony a7 Mark iv. I couldn't be more prouder than my Lumix s5ii. I bragged and boasted. Not disrespectful to him and his woman. But I was so glad that I had my Panasonic and NOT the Sony! Thanks for the video, J S!
Great work, thank you Josh for this! Would be great if you could share a small size sample video of each at their best log output, like Sony with all Intra 422 Slog3 and Panasonic with 6K open gate in Vlog to download, can be very short just to get the feel in the NLE? Thanks
On the auto focus with the S5 it would be preferable to use "human" as it does face/eye but then falls back to torso and then body. In the video said it loses focus when the hand obstructs the face. Good possibility that the "human" mode would do better.
As I said in this video, I didn't see much of a difference between face/eye and human for talking head type videos. If the subject is moving around in the frame, then human is better.
@@Josh_Sattin Thanks. In the video it was stated that it was losing focus when moving the hands in front of the face using "face/eye" detect @12:51 From all I have read on the S5 II there is rarely a time that "face/eye" should be used instead of "human". "human" is supposed to do everything "face/eye" does. "face/eye" is only "face/eye" where on Sony cameras from what I understand "face/eye" means "face/eye" then torso and then body. Which is what "human" is on the Lumix Lumix "human" == Sony "face/eye". So to me it would be interesting to know how the "human" mode performed with the hands waving in front of the face test that was done. But totally understand if don't want to redo the test! 🙂
Have you personally used the S5II? From my experience using the camera, I did not see any difference when in face/eye vs human for a talking head situation.
@@Josh_Sattin Thanks for the reply. I have not personally used it. So to clarify in your testing where hands were waving in front of the face no differences were noticed between "face/eye" and "human". Is that correct? Thanks again.
love you Josh but disagree on the build quality. The S5ii has flimsy port covers that cannot stay in, a card door that is flimsy and creeks, and has no lock on the door. The build quality on my A7IV is far better than the S5ii I have.
All good! Everyone has preferences, I'm just sharing mine here. I talk about how I prefer the port doors on the A7IV over the S5II. I do not like the port doors on the S5II.
23:57 I have to mention, I don’t think its a good idea to use the closed shutter feature. From what other users have told me, its much easier to clean dust and specs off a sensor than it is to get dust pieces off the shutter. Heres how someone explained it: “Shutters are flimsy, and easy to damage. They also don't protect much from dust. If the shutter is closed, it's more likely to be damaged. A DSLR has a mirror in front, but with mirrorless it would be very easy to bend the leaves. It's easy to clean a sensor instead. Dust collects on the parts. A closed shutter will get dusty, then the action of moving the leaves for an exposure will knock dust off, and allow it to fall on the sensor, so it won't really protect from dust anyway. If it did, you wouldn't need to clean DSLR sensors, though it's only the mirror that's closed there. So, it's mechanically easier, less likely to get damaged and just as dusty to have it open”
Im having issues developing my raw photos on my MacBook for the s5ii. Can anyone help with that? Lightroom isn't opening and affinity photo isn't recognizing it
@@Valerossi0 Yes, slope based dr medium 0,5, it gets same amount dr, but in high 0,1 it's 8,92 vs 6,49. So I think that original s5 have lot cleaner image.
My A7III/IV and S5 have better image quality than my S5II. The new video engine from the S5II uses too much sharpening when sharpness is set at the lowest setting, and this new engine also smooths fine detail in low light. Only V-Log profile is way less impacted but the V-log from the S5 remains slightly better.
We are getting to the point, we are splitting hairs that the Client could really care less about…. The A7IV looks too clean 🧼 I bought 3 S5ii for Events and this debate was raging in my head for a minute 😅. Ultimately the stabilization and the long record time avoiding overheating did it for me not that autofocus as an option is no longer a big issue.
Yesterday I sold my old Sony a7iv, and today I just received my AMAZING Lumix S5II!! ... this was the best Spring gift!
I did not he same in January, you will be happy
I own the A7 IV but stabilization drives me nuts. How reliable is S5 II autofocus compared to Sony? That's the only thing holding me from switching systems.
@@eludereluded Oh man, the IBIS on the S5II is 🤯, my RS3 has been collecting dust since January, and it just transformed my shooting experience.
The AF is good, but I would say either the Sony it was more plug-&-Play, with the S5II I found that I had to be more specific about what mode to use in different scenarios, but once I learned that I would say it’s as reliable as the Sony.
@@9adriano21 I noticed quite a few complaints of the wobbles in the corners with IBIS at wide focal lengths like 20-35mm, but then on some peoples videos it doesn't really seem to show at all. How has it been for you?
I do more lifestyle/run and gun shoots so I want to avoid big rigs and gimbals, so I'm considering the S5 II mostly for the IBIS at this point, since I find most of my handheld out of my A7 III to be unusable due to jitters/shakes without a stabiliser/rig.
@@Matt-fo4gg no wobbles, they only happen at like 16mm if you’re being a complete snob with the camera, if you put any sort of effort into holding the camera decently the IBIS does it’s job
Very good review as always Josh! For me the fact that you get useable autofocus with Canon EF lenses on the Panasonic puts it ahead for me. I tested it and it works!
Thanks! Yeah that is a big bonus if you have a lot of EF lenses. I've seen some mixed results, but some lenses perform really well. The only EF lens I tried was the Sigma 28mm and it worked well with the MC21. I also use that lens on Sony camera with MC11 and it works great. I think in general the Sigma EF lenses play well with the Sigma adapters.
I sold my A7IV and preordered the S5IIX😀
Sony a7IV have more dynamic range on the paper because internal noise reduction is strongly applied. This is also why on sony camera we have the impression that their camera manages noise better. With noise reduction added in post production, the S5II exceeds 13 stop.
Huh?
the first phrase already wrong bro. that not how dynamic range calculated because internal noise reduction. even already tested in this video. 😂
@@huzainisahmawi I would be curious to see your version and not just a contradiction without detail or proof. Josh's tests seem strange to me, because I was able to do my own test (with an s5iix) and on this same contrast test, and I had slightly better results on the s5iix, the dark part was slightly more lit and the highlights quite similar. I had done the same test with an xh2s and even the xh2s had a better result than the a7IV. Concerning the figures, unfortunately, the fact that Sony applies a large noise reduction distorts the results. Because the figures that Josh gives are those of the “clean” stops. Noise reduction increases this figure. This value will be much lower on a raw file for example, because more noise or other noise reduction is not applied.
Josh shows us videos already edited on his test, not the logs without editing
@@peterra2532 Yes with noise reduction turned on in camera or applied in post the Lumix dynamic range would be the same as the Sony. They both use the same sensor. This is seen in cameras like the A7S3 which again has noise reduction that cannot be shut off. Compared against the FX6 where it can be controlled. The FX6 scores lower in dynamic range despite being the same sensor. Yes noise reduction gives the appearance of more dynamic range.
Nice video. I believe that Sony with its much hyped already established features is given a close chase almost giving it a run for it's money by generation 1 Lumix S5 II, makes me go in favour of Lumix. And video features make it a clear winner. I have tried waving hands but didn't find a loss of focus even once. May be some focus setting which you probably missed..
It's Lumix any day..
I would have gotten the A74 if it didn't overheat. But I like my S5 2 so no complaints.
Great comparison as always Josh! I actually come from the Sony A7IV & Canon R6 and ended up switching to the S5II. The color science on the S5II is absolutely beautiful. Stabilization drive me nuts on Canon & Sony, the S5II is a nice step up in real world use cases. AF for me on the LUMIX is great, they have a few kinks to iron out, but in their first iteration of hybrid PDAF, I think it’s great and a slight step behind Sony. I’ve used Sony and Canon a for years and I can truly say that LUMIX is right with those guys!
How about to use S5ii for studio vlogging?
I get that the S5ii and R6ii feel better to a lot of people, but I love that the A7IV is significantly more compact.
I have both and with my smaller hands, they both feel the same... and certainly when they are in a cage...
Anyone claiming that the S5ii autofocus is on par with Sony or Canon is smoking crack. It’s a big improvement, but it’s not on the same level.
I agree.
@@JerimiahCook try the a7iv or newer…. I have A7iv, FX30 and Panasonic S5ii…. I can 100% depend on the Sonys… Panasonic is getting better but still nowhere there especially in lower light environments it greatly suffers.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like you need to turn up the lights a bit in studio. For example, when you're showing the camera bodies on your desk at 19:10, it's almost too dark to actually see what you're pointing out (e.g. the port doors, etc).
Thank you for the feedback. It's always interesting how UA-cam changes the image. Hope you enjoyed the video!
The Lumix s5ii lacks two features that I find also important for many users, when recording 1080p 48/50/60/120fps video with full sensor will switched to contrast focus and when taking pictures with flash (godox V1, v860ii...) mounted on the camera body Liveview Effect (Constant Preview) will automatically turn off can't help you adjust the exposure displayed on the monitor when taking pictures. Yesterday, lumix released a firmware update that improves focusing when using AF-C, and I'm very pleased with this first update that delivers excellent focusing speed on the Lumix no inferior to other cameras. I hope they will continue to improve on the remaining issues so that the Lumix will be an even more well-received camera.
did you use flash dedicated for m43?
@@kacperpietron I haven't used yet, so I don't know if it's the same problem I'm having
Yeah, they should have phase detect for all video modes.
Fair review. I have two A7IV's and an S5. I bought the Sony's due to the terrific auto-focus and 7K oversampled video. Awesome stills and video camera and, as your video shows, measurably and visibly better rendering and dynamic range than the S5. And just to share this with others who may be considering the A7IV, but are concerned about overheating, neither of mine have suffered from this after a year of shooting video, even in 100+* temperatures. The only caveat to this is my video clips rarely exceed 5 minutes at a time - which probably is the same as the majority of video shooters. But it's a terrific camera, and I've found the battery life is even slightly greater than the S5. As for the image stabilization, at focal lengths of 30mm and wider, I find the stabilzation (in Active Stabilization, not Standard) to actually be slightly better than the S5. Beyond 30mm (for me) the S5 is noticeably better. But this is only while walking - otherwise it's a draw. The Hybrid Shooter actually has a video proving this out. I love my S5 and use it often, but honestly think the Sony A7IV is still the better hybrid option (at this time), even while being criticized unfairly for faults most of us never experience in practice.
Why do you keep S5 then? I'm curious because I own an S5 and I plan to sell it and get A7IV. For me, the deal breaker is HDMI latency on Lumix, and I'm shocked they didn't fix it with their new cameras, which makes their Raw over hdmi unusable, hence useless. So I wanna try Sony. Though I'll probably miss shutter angle and luts.
@@BorisTheArtist - Great question. I like the handling/ergonomics of the S5 slightly better than the A7IV and, in low light shooting, think the S5 actually has better image quality - though the differences are slight unless it's extremely dark. As for the latency, I don't use external monitors and such so cant comment, though I suppose it comes down to processing power/speed. As for LUTS, I edit in Premiere Pro, so plug them in there. I missed the shutter angle as well, initially, but found an easy and useful work-around. I programmed my 60P and 120P settings to 1 and 2 respectively on the PASM dial, so switching between 24P, 60P and 120P is quick and easy, and forgetting to adjust shutter speed is no longer an issue. It's turning out to be a terrific hybrid camera, though I think I'll always like the ergonomics and handling of the Panasonics, even though the differences are slight these days. People complain about the short grip of the Sony's, but with an L-bracket, or bottom bracket, or cage attached, it's a non-issue.
Good review Josh.. now I think it’s better to wait for S1HII.. image quality is everything for me
Oh, I love it when Josh cures my gear acquisition syndrome! I was blown away by the dynamic range difference. I know that the A74 kills my old R5, but I thought on paper the S5 II would be similar. But the A74 actually can outperform the C70 if you push some extra light shadow noise reduction in post. I would love to see a comparison between the A74 dynamic range and something way above its weight class because I feel like guys with cine cameras don't like to talk about that lol
Guys with cine cameras could care less. They light their sets and control their lighting and get paid to create content. They are more concerned with the utility of a camera like form factor, xlr inputs, internal ND, robust codecs and frame rates with video centric tools like histograms, false color etc. 90% of the people who obsess about stuff like autofocus don’t make a living creating video content and would probably never use either of these 2 cameras to their fullest abilities.
@@mrbutts2597 Don't forget rolling shutter performance. Very tough for me to enjoy shooting with slow readout speeds after running an r5c since last summer. Love the image we get out of our a7iv's and fx30's but I'm not crazy about the jello.
Also, the seemingly unpredictable overheating of the a7iv is a huge turnoff. I've run it all day for weddings with no issues, then pulled it out for an indoor interview and couldn't get it to stop overheating in 4k24 after 3 or 4 minutes of recording. Extremely frustrating. Same reason I got rid of the r6. I'm uncomfortable trusting something that may inexplicably render itself useless in low temp controlled conditions.
@@mrbutts2597 I don’t have a single autofocus lens for my A74 lol I’m an in house cinematographer and I have access to multiple cinema cameras but I work at an outdoor store and generally need as small and as light as possible because I have to hike miles to shooting locations. So there is still indeed a full time, with income, application for these cameras…but I’m always curious about how much I’m losing by shooting with the smaller form factor because I feel like it’s not much, ya know? And yes, I know about all the cinema camera features my dude, I’m strictly talking about dynamic range.
@@matt_berg_media I totally feel you there…I shoot a lot on my 20mm f1.4 because of that. Part of me wants the A1 for the rolling shutter alone because you lose some of the hybrid capability and dynamic range shooting with the A7s3…but I can’t justify the price of the A1 at the moment lol
Good video man. I'm a little surprised to see you noticed a green shift on the S5ii. I use the S1 and it leans towards magenta, which drives me crazy. I have the Sigma 28mm and 40mm Art lenses. Both of these are "sleeper" super sharp lenses. The 28mm(on a Fuji XH2) is perfect for giving the 40mm look on crop sensor cameras.
Thanks! I've never used the original S5, but just reporting on what I've seen with my copy of the S5 II. After adding the technical LUT, it definitely shifts a bit magenta but not difficult to correct. Yes, those lenses are super good. I really want to pick up the 40 as well!
so as per some folks who have had both S5 i and ii, there was a meaningful difference in color. I far prefer the colors on my Sonys (FX30 and A7iv) to my S5ii.
Not sure about the Lumix, but the a7IV 120fps mode is super sharp when you put it in super35 mode. Not sure why, or what's going on when you do that but the it's a massive improvement over the full frame image quality when shooting in 120fps. Handy ecause generally I'm happy to get more range in most cases that I'm shooting slow motion.
Can you test S&Q 4K 60 aps-c (conformed to 24 fps)? On my copy, it seems like PDAF doesn't work in that mode. Seems to work fine in the normal 4K 60. Edit: On the Panasonic S5 MKII
Yes in S&Q mode PDAF will not work
What camera did you use to record this episode with?
Great video as per usual! I have been considering both of these as a b-cam (to the fx3). The allure of Lumix's stabilization is there and the open gate but the slightly subpar autofocus does give me pause. The a74 seems like the smarter option (but the overheating also gives me some hesitancy)... and then there's the fx30.
I wonder how the s52 would compare against the fx30?
Thanks! It's difficult to sum that up in a comment here and I haven't compared the FX30 and S5II directly. The S5II will give you full frame, better DR, low light, stab and more video features. FX30 will give you better AF and the Sony lens ecosystem. I'm sure there would be a lot more to compare, but those are the main things that come to mind.
@@Josh_Sattin thank you... that is helpful! I appreciate you taking the time to make that list! I currently have the fx3 and the a7c and I'm over trying to match 8 and 10bit, so lucky for me your channel has all the cams I'm considering getting. I'll probably just do a deep dive in some more of your comparison videos. Thanks again!
Your lighting looks nice in this vid!
Thank you!
I think you might have mislabeled this one... currently says the S5 II vs Canon R6 II...
Ooops! Thank you so much. Fixed it!
I don't see people from sony thinking to switch to panasonic , its most likely should we stay in panasonic and the answer is YES .
I have GH5 and S5 . and New AF system that we've been waiting for 10 years is finally here (with ofc some bugs ) but it's a new one that works way better than 10 year of upgrading an AF with the wrong technology.
If you want to be photo+ video based choose SONY . If you want to be more focus on video take S5 II (specially with FD lens ) the ibis is so good for handheld broll.
Im personnaly waiting for S5 IIX and yes ill upgrade from S5 despite there is no real big changes in the image quality but a good AF is definalty something i want
How is the s52 12 stops dr while the original s5 had 14 plus?
Thank you for this great review, Josh! In terms of video quality and features, which camera would you recommend between the Lumix S5 IIX and the Fuji X-H2S for cinematic run and gun situations? Cheers
You're welcome. I don't have a direct comparison video between those two cameras. They are both loaded with video features and are good value. The bigger question I would ask first is, what lenses do you need and which system makes more sense?
I know that both cameras are amazing, which makes the choice so difficult. It would be great if you could make a comparison between the two, there really isn't one on UA-cam! Between FF and APS-C, there isn't much difference for me, my biggest concern is about the image quality and usability. Do you feel a significant difference between the two in terms of image quality and dynamic range? Thanks!
@@raissaquintao4873 Unfortunately I don't have either of those two cameras.
Thank you Josh!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
What camera did you use to shoot this video? Sorry if the answer is near by
Ho A7iv e S5iix e nei miei test i risultati a livello di qualità di immagine e rumore, sono l'esatto opposto rispetto ai tuoi..
the best for me is the lumix
! Built-in lut, superior color science to Sony, ventilation and lot of function. Leica is not far!
In photos the difference is even stronger!
And all this for best price!
The video is titled S5II v Canon R6 II and not Sony A7IV
Thanks. I fixed it.
I was at Osaka Castle, yesterday looking at the peach blossoms. I saw a guy with a Sony a7 Mark iv. I couldn't be more prouder than my Lumix s5ii. I bragged and boasted. Not disrespectful to him and his woman. But I was so glad that I had my Panasonic and NOT the Sony! Thanks for the video, J S!
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I would sell my everything SONY. And take that money and invest in Panasonic, Sigma, Leica lens systems.
Your bragging and boasting likely was of zero importance to the couple you approached.
@@nubscrub They walked away like a dog with it's tail between it's legs. Maybe you're right...
bizarre person
Can Panasonic take photos while filming?
Panasonic will update far more than Sony
About to sell my A7iv and switch too a S5iix. The video features are just too good for that price bracket.
Great work, thank you Josh for this! Would be great if you could share a small size sample video of each at their best log output, like Sony with all Intra 422 Slog3 and Panasonic with 6K open gate in Vlog to download, can be very short just to get the feel in the NLE? Thanks
what camera and lens are you filming this video with ?
I think it was the FX3 and Sigma 28mm.
On the auto focus with the S5 it would be preferable to use "human" as it does face/eye but then falls back to torso and then body. In the video said it loses focus when the hand obstructs the face. Good possibility that the "human" mode would do better.
As I said in this video, I didn't see much of a difference between face/eye and human for talking head type videos. If the subject is moving around in the frame, then human is better.
@@Josh_Sattin Thanks. In the video it was stated that it was losing focus when moving the hands in front of the face using "face/eye" detect @12:51 From all I have read on the S5 II there is rarely a time that "face/eye" should be used instead of "human". "human" is supposed to do everything "face/eye" does. "face/eye" is only "face/eye" where on Sony cameras from what I understand "face/eye" means "face/eye" then torso and then body. Which is what "human" is on the Lumix Lumix "human" == Sony "face/eye". So to me it would be interesting to know how the "human" mode performed with the hands waving in front of the face test that was done. But totally understand if don't want to redo the test! 🙂
Have you personally used the S5II? From my experience using the camera, I did not see any difference when in face/eye vs human for a talking head situation.
@@Josh_Sattin Thanks for the reply. I have not personally used it. So to clarify in your testing where hands were waving in front of the face no differences were noticed between "face/eye" and "human". Is that correct? Thanks again.
Why did you not choose the XAVC S codec for the Panasonic as well?
The S5II and A7IV don't have the same exact codecs.
love you Josh but disagree on the build quality. The S5ii has flimsy port covers that cannot stay in, a card door that is flimsy and creeks, and has no lock on the door. The build quality on my A7IV is far better than the S5ii I have.
All good! Everyone has preferences, I'm just sharing mine here. I talk about how I prefer the port doors on the A7IV over the S5II. I do not like the port doors on the S5II.
23:57 I have to mention, I don’t think its a good idea to use the closed shutter feature. From what other users have told me, its much easier to clean dust and specs off a sensor than it is to get dust pieces off the shutter.
Heres how someone explained it: “Shutters are flimsy, and easy to damage. They also don't protect much from dust.
If the shutter is closed, it's more likely to be damaged. A DSLR has a mirror in front, but with mirrorless it would be very easy to bend the leaves. It's easy to clean a sensor instead.
Dust collects on the parts. A closed shutter will get dusty, then the action of moving the leaves for an exposure will knock dust off, and allow it to fall on the sensor, so it won't really protect from dust anyway. If it did, you wouldn't need to clean DSLR sensors, though it's only the mirror that's closed there.
So, it's mechanically easier, less likely to get damaged and just as dusty to have it open”
Do we need electric view finder? I don't...
14:22 good info.
Im having issues developing my raw photos on my MacBook for the s5ii. Can anyone help with that? Lightroom isn't opening and affinity photo isn't recognizing it
Sometimes profiles for new cameras aren’t available right away.
Update Lightroom. The new update supports S5II Raw
Haven't seen the video yet, about to leave to buy the S5ii, I hope this video doesn't sway me again 😂
Josh no subtitles please do something about it :)
Best reviewer ever. Thanks Josh.
Thank you for the kind words and for watching!
It's really weird that gerald undone tests old S5 gets 1,5stops better dynamic range than S5II. 🤔
What video is that? On his s5II video he gets same dynamic range as on the s5.
Both 12.5 stops signal to noise ratio of 2
@@Valerossi0 Watch both reviews separately, there you can see that.
@@henakos I just did….. both clean dynamic range with signal to noise of 2 around 12. 5 stops?
@@Valerossi0 Yes, slope based dr medium 0,5, it gets same amount dr, but in high 0,1 it's 8,92 vs 6,49. So I think that original s5 have lot cleaner image.
picture from Lumix looks more natural
My A7III/IV and S5 have better image quality than my S5II. The new video engine from the S5II uses too much sharpening when sharpness is set at the lowest setting, and this new engine also smooths fine detail in low light. Only V-Log profile is way less impacted but the V-log from the S5 remains slightly better.
mega PRETZEL
Okay so which one do I buy!
We are getting to the point, we are splitting hairs that the Client could really care less about…. The A7IV looks too clean 🧼
I bought 3 S5ii for Events and this debate was raging in my head for a minute 😅. Ultimately the stabilization and the long record time avoiding overheating did it for me not that autofocus as an option is no longer a big issue.