Why Is Precision Rifle Dying In South Africa?
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- Опубліковано 25 лют 2023
- Why is PRS struggling in South Africa and in Cape Town? What are some of the other options availabile to shooters in the area? Thats all in todays episode.
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My take on the situation - I’ve been involved in various sport shooting disciplines for more than 10 years. Here are two of the biggest challenges I’ve seen in most of these disciplines:
1. Politics - unfortunately we as South Africans, by large, have yet to learn what it is to work together but also to support something although you’re not the main peanut!! Everyone wants to be the chief in charge… if you don’t play by my rules… I’ll take my gun and go home! SAD, SAD, SAD!!! 😢 Many of those in charge are not open for new idees and will often - to the detriment of the sport - keep on to their positions & idees.
2. You need passionate people to initiate & drive something! Most people want to join in the fun… very few are willing to roll up the sleeves to work & make something a success! What happens is that a hand full of people do the work and very seldom get an opportunity to play! One quickly loses their drive if you cannot participate & compete in the sport you love so much!
Good luck with your new initiative Piet! Hope you’ll be able to play along!!!
Very well said sir! We see the same thing in North America.
1. It is not going well economically, people are prioritising. 2. It is such a mess to go through the licensing process. My stomach starts turning if I think that I can wear out the barrel on my rifle, and that I have to go through all this to get my barrel replaced (may be easier for Piet, and some of the guys who are connected, but normal man in the street has a huge challenge). 3. We are paying Dollar prices in Rand for all the equipment. It is really really expensive.
Looking forward to your new rifle series Piet. The western cape, SA and the rest of the world for that matter needs a rifle discipline where normal guys can take their hunting rifles from their safes with normal 5 round mags and compete in a hunting type match with realistic distances and low round counts. Was great to see you in action at the last “veldskiet”. You showed great potential and i look forward to see you at the other matches in the western cape! Keep up the good work!
15yrs ago the problem i faced was $$$$$. i would like to see a rifle class that is limited. for instance youre rifle, optic, and range finder combo can only be say r40000 after that you enter unlimited.
There are various reasons. 1) Administration: I've contacted NRLSA twice to try and host a match, no response, prizes were even offered. 2) Prohibitive legislation: The waiting period and training / barrel replacement matter makes it very dicey if you up your game (train - A LOT) and win matches. 3) Price gouging: Equipment cost increasing 85% post the import tax duties and it takes the same time to get here even if you import directly. 4) The competitors, some are just absolute boneheads. I've been looked down on because I compete with a relatively inexpensive rifle and have been asked "Kan jy nie iets beters bekostig nie? Jy ry nie een 'n Hilux nie". It felt good to beat them with their R100k rifles.5) Too few youngsters are introduced. 6) Durbanville Shooting Range - the management is an absolute horror.
Awesome you are in a position to start a new competitive serious! Plus get sponsorship and hopefully make a it a super fun time. PRS in America is too expensive/competitive so I stick with nrl22. I've hosted a couple of centerfire matches which they were a lot of work but also a lot of fun. If I had a place to hold matches I would continue to do so.
Pieta,weet nie hoe jy dit reg kry nie.Ek gril net om te herlaai vir jag seisoen.Pryse het verby bekosbaar geraak.Soveel so dat ek n patroon so spaar net om in te skiet op die jag plaas.Lekker channel boetta geniet elke vid!!!Jy inspereer,leer en deël.Hoed af vir jou....
If you are being serious about the question, my first honest answer would be the ANC government.
Loved having you at veldskiet last weekend Piet, if you need range officers for your event then let us know!
Will do! Will get your details from Hein
Can you clarify the difference between a NRL vs PRS match?
If you want to compete in a big event come down to Zim bring your own gun or borrow a gun and compete in the Zimbabwean Chassa it happens every second weekend and there are about a minimum of 40 people but most of the time there are about 60-80 shooters
Sounds like it needs a standard factory class. Off the shelf cheap rifles with capped price on scopes. Maybe limited by cheap to shoot cartridges like .223.
Push very hard on the 22LR shoots, its the most affordable shooting out there
Groete van PE af
Do the air rifle division like Matt Duber it’s really growing and you can do that in between the center fire stuff I would love to see you at RMAC in Utah man that would be awesome
1. Money
2. Greed
3. Ego
Piet wat gaan die beste kaliber wees vir die series. Watse rifle setup sal jy sê?
Hey Piet. How do I find out more about WCRC and upcoming matches? I’m an IPSC handgun and Rifle shooter and have an interest in Long Range precision shooting. I purchased my first bolt action rifle so while I wait on my Licence I’d like to come spectate a match and learn from shooters already in the sport. A few of my IPSC mates are also going to join.
I hope one day you get to do a hunt in New Zealand, i think you would really enjoy it!
Man Id love to hunt a monster Red Stag in the mountains of NZ!
Theres a couple reasons why south africa sport shooting isnt growing and have a tiny following. The main reason is money. To explain it to folks...A great salary in SA is about $1500. Yet your purchase power with that amount gets you nothing. A "cheap" AR rifle SW mp15 is $1200 in south africa. In the states its $500 and you will make on average $2500+ salary. So you can see how much more a american can buy into sport shooting vs a south african.
So true, barely finding my feet, still studying, I love shooting would love to shoot more and learn more, but costs is extremely high!! Atleast this year I joined Chasa, so hopefully thats a step in correct direction. Time will tell I guess.
True. When I started reloading in 2020 I could purchase a bottle of powder for 350 Nam dollars. Now we pay close to 1000 if we can find powder.
@@Jb_2108I'm just getting into shooting. I phoned 6 shops around CT yesterday and no one had stock of powder for handguns. Do you have any idea why that is?
That and you can't even get primers right now.
Right on the money unfortunately. The ZAR currently just cannot compete. SAF Bigmac index in sy moer.
Is this invitate only or how can I join. I finally have a decent grouping load.
As far as shooting goes,let’s all be honest, it’s a very expensive sport and the barrier of entry is quite high. I think the league might have a better chance attracting more people if they gave them some kind of an affordable avenue to participate. Maybe you guys should consider rental rifles for match purposes. You pay a fee, your shoot the match, you hand the rifle back
Here in my State, Michigan, our monthly club has a "club rifle" that if someone has never shot a match but is interested yet has no rifle, they pay the match fee and they can use the club rifle, ammo provided. I guess one could say it is a rental but only for new people. The rifle was built from donated parts (We have several custom rifle gunsmiths in our monthly club and a chassis builder here within the state) and one of the gunsmiths built the rifle.
@@oif3vetk9 Thats exactly the kind of solution I am referring to. I think it would be a great way to attract people to the sport, young or old, then they can buy their own rifle as they go. For one, Ive been waiting for my competency certificate since September last year, if a "club rifle" was an option id shoot that rifle in the meantime and just participate at least.
Make shooting fun, make it affordable. For the serious shooters let them shoot 100 shots, but for the normal guy, let him shoot 25 rounds, or 50 rounds.
Lekker Pieter. Sien uit!
Like in Canada, politics and the skyrocketing prices of ammo, reloading components(if avbl) and the current wokeness push.
Jis Pieter, is da miskien n website van die nuwe club, sal graag wil aansluit, dankie lekker dag
Haha mooi om t zien dat ik aan de andere kant van wereld gewoon begrijp wat jullie zeggen in het zuid Afrikaans.
As a Gauteng based shooter, I do not agree with you. Between SAPRF, PPRC, NRL Hunter, NRL22 ... etc, we are spoilt for choice. SAPRF National is in Cape Town this March. Often, the Gauteng and shrouding areas are sold out. PRS in Gauteng is at an all-time high.
we only have the first option in cpt as for centerfire, and match attendance is pitiful. I do agree with you, the scene up country does seem much healthier 🎯
It’s odd because PRS has become very popular in the uk in the last year or two
Might join you guys for a match this year 🎯
Where can we enter your matches Piet?
chat.whatsapp.com/GOT8s6CMdZ5LaXjGDYw9oQ
Please keep me posted 🙏
It has become way to expensive
So why did the PRS die and why did the NRL die?
Piet, hoe join ek die club?
Is there F class style matches in SA?
Yes very much so across the country.
South African Bisley Union is the controlling body.
In fact SA Open currently on the go at the Genl de Wet range outside Bloemfontein and next week is the F Class Long Range World Championships
I recently moved back to Bloem, one would think there are enough people here who want to shoot. I don't even know where to go to find out about shooting matches in my area. Talk to this gunshop, they have their own comps, talk to that guy or this organisation, they have their own comps. And before you can register or take part you need to join their circle or create a new membership. I'm already part of a shooting association, why is that not enough to take part in any match? I see NRL Hunter has a Freestate match, but they are hosting it in Bothaville. You might as well call it a North West or Gauteng match. I don't get why there isn't one here in Bloemfontein (I don't mind the drive, I was planning to enter but unfortunately the date doesn't work😕)
I shoot quite a lot (for a South African), even though it's getting super expensive, maybe like 200 rounds a month. And yet I've haven't taken part in a match so far. I'd love to spend that same money, and instead of shooting gongs where only the local eland sees me ring steel, there are some other folks around, maybe a little competition pressure, and good vibes. It should be easy! Like a triathlon race, I just want to google "Freestate shooting matches", then select one that works, pay an entry fee and pitch up! Ek wil nie sukkel nie🤷♂😂
Reasons why sport shooting does not well.
1. Cost. Difficult to be competitive when you compete against guys with superior equipment.
2. Advertising of matches. Organizers don’t advertise the matches.
3. Current organizations seems loathe to get in new blood. I’ve sent over 10 emails and made numerous phone calls and had very little feedback.
4. Existing veldskiet competitions are already deeply entrenched.
Waar kry ons die Whatsapp group details?
Havent watched the video but the answer is "dis fokken duur."
It’s expensive though cheaper in the US . Are ammo is expensive but not like yours . I only use brand new factory ammo the best I can buy ( Hornady ) . I buy the best gear I can . Tangent Theta , ZCO, MPA. it’s expensive . I find unfriendly governments to the sport make it more expensive do to regulations .
Make it fun and they will come
Hey Piet. I enjoy your content, follow your channel, etc. I hate to have a contrarian opinion and I only mean this in the most positive tone, but I think there may have been a better way to introduce your new rifle series. Even though what you say could be correct, associating the announcement of your new and exciting brand with a mud slinging match or that “this is why I’m good and you’re not” game may already have negative consequences… I’m sure it will do well though. There probably is a need, and you have a good/growing reputation which could bring people in, but just suggesting that you be concious of the negatives !
Appreciate the feedback, the thing about a podcast is it kind of goes where it goes. Believe it or not I cut out the part where I really laid into PRS and their politics.
@@IMPACTSHOOTING that’s fair! Good luck with the new venture and hope to see you around in one of the long range comps soon, like the ultra 😉
Waiting on the 375CT to come in ✅👍🏼✅
@@IMPACTSHOOTING your 28sm will do perfectly.
“No choppers allowed” 😂😂
Money is the biggest reason. There are many who want to but can't afford it
If I win the lottery I'll be at every match
let me tell you why Piet.
As you have seen some of my comments, I am now to precision, and I am dying to get to a match. I love the idea of IPSC style shooting with my rifle. "Race gunning" as you call it.
BUT, there are no real ranges to train at (I STAY IN GAUTENG!), There is no real means and ways of getting involved.
Organizers dont respond to queries.
There is no beginner series (think club shoot IPSC)
it makes me rather sad.
No way bud. There’s a match almost every weekend in GP. Most matches make Accomodation for beginners, except for the national and championship matches. There’s also a new series that is starting in like 2-3 weeks where beginners have their own slots.
IPSC is pretty big in GP, you really shouldn’t be struggling. So many ranges just in Pta / Centurion / Johannesburg area.
@@flipmarais nea read my comment again, the IPSC scene is great, I mean long gun race gunning, the stuff piet does, shooting off barricades etc. none of that around here, the scene is dead, people dont respond, no help or interest in getting new shooters in.
@@erick7862 i have seen 2 matches in my area in the past 3 months. one of them i got no response to phone calls, WhatsApp's or fb messages. the other the weather was shite.
@@wackomedic911 Apologies, I misunderstood.
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Worse come to worse you can always lend your skills to South Africa PMC corp I heard military coup coming back in fashion in Africa. Am sure there is demand for your service, gotta recoup those expenses on those rifles 😅
Love the rules 😂
1. Licensing van wapens; 2. Koste van komponente - ten spyte van dit is nrl hunter besig om lekker te groei in die OosKaap. Jy sal hier moet kom skiet en ń sponsor of 2 saam bring😅 ....van jou unused roere sal great pryse maak
Hey, don't feel bad. There isn't any PRS or NRL presence at all around where I live in the US. As a matter of fact, there is nowhere to shoot past 300yds legally within 3 hours of me. Makes things quite a challenge.
Thats a bummer mate 🤷🏼♂️
Where are you located? It's the US, as long as you have common sense, the 4 rules of gun safety, and a straight stretch, you can shoot it. Obviously have to have permission or ownership of the land, but aside from that it's perfectly legal to the best of my knowledge
@@GreatLakesLogger he's probably referring to population density. (legally) No place to shoot past 300 yds due to houses etc.
@@GreatLakesLogger On the east side, trust me, that's not doable here. I've tried.
@@DoubleGrape944 that sucks man
you know the prs worldchampionship is goin to be in south africa right? in 2024
Yes I know
is not the world F class matches goin to be held in SA
Lekker Pieter🦾🦾🦾
Bottom line, owning firearms, hunting, long range shooting with factory components even often visits to the range can all be done by the average Joe here in South Africa but to beable to shoot competitive you have to be wealthy, even with a howa 1500 there are only 2 chassis for howa that allow you to shoot in factory division, other than a howa or any other rifles and chassis combinations its all open division from there on out, putting you in squads that pay to win, 25k race gun up against a 200k race gun
Components are the largest driving factor for people not competing, bullets are expensive powder is ridiculous and don't even talk about primers. Rough estimations is buying in bulk saves you money but 50 rounds completed still cost you 1500 rand minimum and that's supposed to be cheap then there's all supporting equipment
Match tickets/entry has become very expensive and it's also the traveling to matches all these costs rack up
I blame government,importers, rand dollar exchange, local gun part manufacturing.
I love your channel and follow you on all your platforms but the truth is, you make it seem easy to get into and motivate so many okes to start shooting, setting goals and push them selves and that's a good thing. staying in it takes passion and sacrifice
My 2c is, if the gun industry in South Africa wants to survive they will have to minimize their profits and help make things easier for us who shoot by matching international pricing, making it competitive to prices we see online, local manufactured chassis and Bipods etc should be worth it for us, matches should be cheaper and more of us will show up
Too much to mention but that's the just of it.
Thanks Piet
Must make shooting more affordable so that us pensioners can also participate
Ahhhh yes. The infamous click bait.
Im assuming you commented without watching. Appreciate the engagement ✅
Is, is?
It was never a sport here.
No wonder you keep winning 😂😂😂
Well to be fair I won when we had NRL sold out events 😂😳😂
I’ll take the Boer’s descendants and their guns here in the states any day.
Isn't south Africa dying in general?
Well, with all these Vaalies moving down long range shooting in the WC should pick up again 🤣🤣
Can I use my AR15 lol
Yes
So what are chinas thoughts on y’all having guns and shooting.
I’d ask your thoughts on your country’s politics but I know you wouldn’t be allowed to express them here.
Sincerely an America
It's to expensive, even hunting is getting to expensive