I have with legion before the 3 gens where all next to each other and they where all good at poofing this was before nemesis and ring where in. I only won because I hit someone with frenzy and got lucky
The worst part is before the buffed Eruption it would have just prevented them from working on it. It would not have lost progress. But for some reason, the devs thought the already strong perk needed a buff.
6:30 I really like that despite how much he’s clearly having a poor time of it he goes out of his way to specify he has no problem with you as a person and his gripes are with the killer
The saddest part is that the game became less and less about them wanting to win but wanting someone else to lose. Truly this is about as evil as it gets.
lol yup. bully squads refusing to do gens just to follow the killer around and sabo hooks /constantly flashlight save, and killers purposely running broken builds to force the survivors to DC. dbd easily has one of the worst communities
@@matthewmccoy7437 Idk about you but I love when survivors try to do that instead of hammering Gens, even more so if I’m a killer who can heavily benefit from altruism like Wesker. That’s free real estate (free infections!).
Everyone being like "just don't give him the three gen" you do realize that they, no matter what, need to finish one of those gens. The three gen always exists, regardless of how many gens are completed at the moment.
Yeah if a killer from the get-go focuses the 3 gen from the beginning and protects those gens with his life over killing the survivors and has the right perks they can almost hold the survivors hostage forever.
Sure, THEORETICALLY, with perfect AI play by the killer, you'd be right. However, that's not how it works in reality, because the killer's human. Even in this video, the survivors almost finished one of the 3 gens several times due to human error (getting distracted, going too far from the gens, etc). Having a 4th gen aura on the map to potentially distract the killer or momentarily disorient him can only be beneficial. Especially in an hour long match, that's a lot of room for the killer to make a misplay. Maybe 45 minutes into the game, the killer gets distracted and chases a survivor a little too far from the gens, and instead of immediately correcting himself and going back, he thinks "well the 3 gens are all at 0% and the 4th gen's right next to me now, I'll just kick it really quick to get eruption on it, and it can't hurt to get it regressing, maybe that will make the survivors come back to it". He ends up spending an extra 15 seconds moving to the gen, kicking it, and then heading back-which ends up being the exact amount of extra time the survivors needed to finish a gen. When the killer's protecting a 3 gen from the start, the worst thing you can do is finish all the other gens. There's no benefit in doing that. All it does is give the killer less to think about and reduce the likelihood he'll make a mistake.
that was my thought, and I love that Hens mentioned it too, it didn't matter that Claudette did the 4th gen and it didn't matter they did other gens -- with Hens being hellbent on protecting the 3 gen for the strat this was bound to happen either way I feel like a lot of people who blame another survivor for causing a 3 gen don't realize that that last gen basically meant nothing since the 3 gen already existed due to a) previous gens that had been done or b) the killer forcing the 3 gen from the get go and in general I feel like a lot of survivors do not pay attention to the gens they're doing, I feel like as a general rule to prevent 3 gens you should do gens closer to the middle first if possible, or if you do a corner gen do NOT do the next gen you find, and another tip is to recognize certain maps that will absolutely be split in half if you get rid of 1-3 middle gens (Sanctum of Wrath for example), those maps also tend to be the ones where 3 gens happen a lot because they fail to realize how many gens are on each side
People have this clueless view where a 3gen is always up to a survivor mistake and the killer has no say on it. It really says a lot about how little knowledge a lot of the comunity has on the game.
SoloQ is a beautiful experience, thanks Claudette for playing with her brain turned off completely. Survivor can control which 3 gen are left on the map Obviously a lot harder to do if the killer goes into the game only wanting to play for his selected 3 gen If the claudette used her brain she'd have seen what the killer was doing, just like how the streamer noticed... But she didn't have her brain on and gave them the almost perfect 3 gen to defend.
"His sportsmanship is something I want one day." Him: "I'm not giving a GG, that guy is a literal psychopath." Edit: For clarification I wasn't actually implying the guy was unsportsmanlike, he was very sportsmanlike for being as polite as he was given the circumstances. I was simply musing at how the survivor said what he said right after being called a good sport. It was a funny juxtaposition.
“This guy is so annoying and by this guy i mean the killer, not like the person” i love this mindset! even though the person playing is technically being an arse holding the game hostage he can seperate that from the core issue that being the perks and the killer power. love this guy already
I wish more players were like him. Based af. I always follow my despise of Pinhead with "Nothing against the player but god fuck this Killer and his gameplay design. But nothing against the player."
Ya but at the end he calls Hens a psychopath (not knowing who it was I guess but still) The streamer was whiny all the way through and frankly pretty rude
Trade Baron Well I think it is ok to be annoyed and frustrated with a game. Especially an individual match. And also I understand some not actually harmful trashtalk. Like what I'm familiar with from my days in FGCs. If I pulled a fast one on my opponent and they went "OH YOU ABSOLUTELY BASTARD" but at the end of the day I know he didn't really mean it. Games still ended with a "GG" and a handshake and maybe even a "You played well." I do the same in DBD. Like if someone gets me with a sneaky Undetectable play I'm like "oh you dirty motherfucker" but I don't actually mean it and if anything it's my weird way of COMMENDING them for it for making it work lmao.
@@topsgaming4266 Yeah haha I'd rather not bother with playing the game tbh. I mean I can be a stubborn bastard at times but yeah if I get on dbd I want to have fun not play super slow gen sim.
@@BowserStrange If you think he was being toxic then point out where because from what I saw he was being super chill about the whole situation. Sure he got upset but who wouldn't in that situation but that doesn't make him not chill his demeanor and the way he was talking about things is what makes him a chill person.
@@WyattOShea Girl did I say “toxic?”Now come on now don’t get stupid. He was clearly upset and far from chill. But he wasn’t being toxic I never said anything like that nor was I insinuating as such. You may have misunderstood the mood of my comment hints the laugh emoji 😒
@@blazinhorus2004 it was recently in the last couple of months - a "temporary" fix to combat the popular wave of cheaters/stream snipers holding matches hostage for hours and hours on end
While I know it was to prove a Point; that fact that Hens didnt hook anyone after holding the 3 Gen, despite downing them so many times, is the Scariest part for me
So I tried this strategy but decided too hook instead and oh dear god they dropped like flies and kept killing themselves on hook meaning this fucking mad lad intentionally didn't hook not because they'd do a Gen but because he wanted all 4 in the game as long as possible
Maybe you and the other streamer could each submit this match to the devs so they can watch it. Maybe it would help the devs realize what issues are in the game and could potentially be fixed. Also, I now firmly believe potential energy was added to the game just to counteract this type of play style and the devs knew the knight was too good at three gen-locking.
@@ClankykingSumireko or they nerf things into oblivion when they get destroyed on stream, a few days ago i watched how a match made them basically delete insta blind from the game after a dev got his ass handed to him in a pub match live
This was actually already a thing, but they recently reduced it by an hour. It exists to stop cheaters from *literally* holding the game hostage indefinitely, and was reduced because 2 hours was still way too long to be sitting there waiting for it to end. Turns out you don't even need a cheater to hold the game hostage!
@@salvo88 and it shouldn't kill the survivors and forfeit to killer. It should just end and everyone escapes, the killer doesn't depip, their MMR stays the same.
And people wonder why Vittorio came out with 3 gen perks designed around close quarters. Vittorios perks were designed to counter 3 gens because the devs knew how effective the knight was with it.
PE only works before you get into a 3 gen situation, which is counterintuitive while QG is a badly designed perk as the killer is going to chase you off of the gen whenever they hear you repairing
Honestly, I'm a main vittorio myself now, and his perk stored energy is amazing in solo play or saving a gen. I honestly have saved a few games using that perk alone and stopping the killer from turning everything into hell. I'm just really, really bad at getting away and looping myself
You were lucky to have such patient survivors. I would disconnect after 15 min 🤣 I followed the guy, he is really wholesome, he deserves a crowd of followers 👍
Huge props to the streamer for not going insane and staying as positive and nice as he did. I understand his frustration after playing an hour long war against a Knight with seemingly no chance of winning. Great video, lovely content, hope it gets the attention of the Devs
It does but it's still needed rather any of us like it or not. Eruption is the only thing stopping killers from being wrecked and destroyed by teams on mic. This whole thing goes far deeper than just eruption bad. Time needs to be taken into looking into survivors that can gen 2 or 3 gens with in a snap of the game. We need to take the time to see why this meta was even born and what has lead to it become the over used
@@akeultomo2213 Pretty much. This entire problem is trying to balance around a 4-man SWF on Comms vs. A high-level Nurse/Blight with meta perks. The mid-tier killers and solo-queue players get unwarrantedly shafted trying to balance comp teams.
@@akeultomo2213 eruption doesn’t work on swfs with mics. Anyone who isn’t a mute can call out when they’re going to go down. Eruption is just a pubstomp perk that works better and better versus the weakest type of survivors in the game: soloqueue players.
Junko I am sorry but this is an argument I am tired of seeing. It does work on SWFs. It's just not always possible to call when exactly you are going to go down. Maybe the Killer mindgames at an unsafe loop. Maybe the Huntress hits a cracked Window Shot. Maybe the OPPOSITE happens. Wraith somehow MISSES his M1 but I already told my friends to get off the Gen. Trickster somehow misses his last blade. From very good teams in Pubs to actual Comp teams. Eruption does work even on those players. Obviously not AS good as Solo Q but still pretty good. Eruption is the most annoying Gen regression perk imo.
I had this happen in Lery against Knight. The worst part we realized very soon that he was defending the middle, dropping all chases after a hit at best. We tried 99'ing a safe gen to lure him out of the strategy, but the killer just won't budge, so we just ended up loosing a very boring and long match. And we lost it only because we tried to play it. We could have just literally walked around the map chatting in voice chat waiting for the 2-hour game limit. This is clearly taking the game hostage, and hopefully will be fixed soon. Otherwise it will be bnp+potential energy every game, with killers complaining that survivors are doing their only objective in the game.
What? Killers whining about Survivors doing their only objective? Never heard of that before. What? Killers whining about Survivors adapting to the boring tactics Killers use? Never. Killers are saints, victimised by the Bully Survivors and neglected by Daddy BHVR 😭😭😭
Its already full of Proves and BNP's, with the resiliences, hyperfocus, stakeouts, etc for squads. Had a game yesterday, literally less than 40 seconds from starting the match 3 gens flew at the same time. I won by tunneling one out and camping inside a 3 gen, and then they complained about it. You don't play at maximum effectiveness, then get to complain that the other side does the same.
@Ajbajnificent My guy, survivors are playing like that because every killer and their mother is playing 3 gen kicking strats. Every killer has Eruption&CoB (or whatever flavour of Eruption they're daring to try today), tunnels the first survivor out ASAP and then drags the game out for a month while they camp their 3 gen and force a stalemate with the gens. You're honestly surprised survivors are running Prove, BNPs etc etc etc? Dear lord, at least accept the very thing you're complaining about is a problem of your own making. Something a lot of players these days seem incapable of doing. It's like when killers whinged and whinged and whinged about survivors looping and everyone joked that one day killers would complain about survivors running in a straight line... And here we are... Killers complaining about W Key because the devs have made stealth and looping less and less viable (due to killer complaints), so running in a straight line literally did become the next best thing to do. And what do killers do now? Whinge about survivors running in a straight line.... The joke became a reality. Seems to be a pattern here...
@@boringmonkey6958 Looping is less viable😂😂 there are literal god pallets and infinite loops. Also the gen kick meta was caused because killers need a way to counter the gen rush meta of survivors after the nerf of ruin/pop. A good survivor can loop a killer for 3 gens, if not even 4.
I think one of the issue is that the perks has too good of a synergy. Unlike ruin where it’s a good perk but can’t really stack up with other gen-regress perks, these 4 perks stack up way too well.
Yep, when they did the rebalance, I and many others saw that gen perks were going to be very strong because you can combine them together to get really strong effects to both regress gens while you're there, and regress gens when you commit to a chase. Either way, you're covered. The only dodgy thing is the information but CoB partly provides that information from the outset as not everyone is going to consistently slam the great skill checks.
They really need to give killers some powerful perks that do other things. Shorten chases, namely. There are two ways for killers to go about winning. One, prevent the survivors from doing gens with gen regression builds like this, so that hooks can trickle in while no gen progress is made, or two, simply down survivors fast enough to win outright. Most killers are incapable of the latter, so they must default to the former. Weaker killers need more map pressure so that they can accomplish the latter without relying too heavily on the former. They need to be able to push survivors off of gens so that they don't need to run strong regression perks and (like nurse and blight) begin to lean into the strengths of their powers.
@@coultersheppard2052 killers already have plenty of things that force survivors to waste plenty of time. Pinhead requires you to go get the box every so often. Legion is mending simulator, Myers forces you to constantly run across the map or you build his evil within and the biggest offender of them all, pig who is joked about all the time forces you to 99% gens in a meta when 99% means you may never get to complete it again while all 4 survivors have to waste minutes upon minutes trying to remove the bear trap. And they also get plenty of perks to waste more time. All hexes, basically. And they have stuff like enduring /spirit fury, dissolution, bamboozle, brutal strength to end chases far faster and even other utility perks like the third seal/montrous shrine which both waste time and apply tons of pressure. Regressing gens will always be the easiest to use however so killers only use these
I've once spent an hour in a game because solo queue teammates wouldn't split on the last gen when there was a line of gens on asylum. To make it even more dreadful, the killer wanted to slug for a 4k mori after tunneling the first survivor at 4 gens. All that just for the 3rd survivor to bleed out and I get hatch.
The addition of CoH and free regression perks are what's making these stalemates so painful. Survivors have a renewable heal so there's no reason not to just run to the other side of the map, but killer has no reason to chase and instead leaves to go kick their gens and get free regression with overcharge and CoB.
Yep, CoH encourages the team, especially solo queues, to group up and heal on safe sides of the map whereas CoB and the rest of the killer meta perks can safely regress gens, leading to these stalemates where usually the killer wins because the survivors run out of patience and resources. It's a 2-pronged issue from both sides that needs resolved by nerfs and other changes. Personally I would nerf Eruption's incap timer and make killer kicks to totems destroy the totems to encourage the killer to seek out the boon and destroy it.
@@Justmonika6969 I would rather honestly replace the incap effect with another one. Like exposed, exhausted, etc. Make the effect last longer if needed but straight up just delete the incap effect. I dunno who thought taking away gameplay as an effect was a good idea at BHVR but it's the dumbest thing I've heard of. "Survivor's objectives are already boring as is, so let's make it even more boring by making it so they can't do anything and the objective takes even longer!" WHY DID ANYONE THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?
Talking about coh, they made a huge mistake by placing it as far as possible. If they placed it near they would have healed faster and pressure the gens quicker. Don't think they cleansed the 4 other dull totems and Hens wouldn't have time to always snuff the boon unless it were right in the 3 gen area.
Gen regression perks like these are definitely unhealthy, I agree. I think Eruption is one of the most annoying because it because requires 4 man SWF or it's very incredibly strong towards endgame. Being 3-genned or even just needing progress and then your random survivor gets downed with no indication is a nightmare.
Full anti gen isnt that good i can- * *Instantly loses most gens to a SWF after spawning with a non-meta killer in a single match without regression perk* * I think DBD has a problem
@IM TOO LAZY For a profile pic Yeah, you're the one with the problem my dude. You're the sort who bases his opinion of balance on the result of one bad match. In DBD's current state and with this current meta, if you're not 4King in at least 70% of your matches, you're doing something terribly wrong. The games where you're legitimately getting gen rushed by a SWF are genuinely few and far between. I'm tired of people saying combos like this are healthy for the game because once in a blue moon killers will get gen rushed by a SWF (I mean ACTUALLY gen rushed, not you losing 3 gens because you over committed to a chase in a bad area of the map at a strong loop, and then acting hard done by and victimised when 3 gens managed to get done because you gave them zero reason to get off the gens for an entire 90-120 seconds, uninterrupted).
@@omniphage9391 His power is also great for camping hook. I’ve seen them use it to patrol close-by gens (probably to cause a 3 gen) while simultaneously putting down squires at hook, and returning before the squire disappears. Its a very unfun experience, even if your healthy and take a slap to unhook, knight is close enough to chase one of you thanks to the tracks and blood pools. But its up to bhvr to look at things like this and address it. Which I hope they do within the next millennium lmao
I now feel incredibly validated that despite all my frustrations towards the game, I've stuck with my guns and didn't go full gen kick meta. And I play Trapper.
It’s honestly so much fun without it. I feel like I’m playing brain dead with pain res and eruption, but without any I’m constantly in action and really working for pressure. I can understand perks like corrupt or pop being necessary for some killers, but this slowdown meta that doesn’t even require much (if any) interaction is really boring. They fixed old ruin and just made it 10x worse…
I had a similar match like this with a 3 gen against a Freddy... it did not go this long and eventually I just wanted to go next. It was our stupid fault for 3 genning but the Freddy was not good, he just took full advantage of this strat until we got bored and wanted to move on
@@MaTtRoSiTy nvm, it was autohaven wreckers against a clicky swf. They got too overconfident that they 3-gened against me, and lost to eruption, call of brine, overcharge and brutal strength.
@ZweaZy Hot damn, what's that build? Call of Brince, Eruption, Overcharge and Brutal Strength? No WAY you beat some survivors who you're assuming were a SWF with the most meta of meta killer builds?! I'm truly impressed at your sheer dominance in this game... Never have I ever seen any killer do well with that build before, hats off to you! You must have the highest MMR possible to pull off something so wacky and meme worthy. Such a Chad.
I had similar situation, after 35 min my kids started to shout at me that they want something to drink and I was so focused on gen protection that I forgot about everything, they rage quit after 40 min ... survivors, not my kids , my kids never give up 😂
Literally had this happen to me and my partner last week. It wasn't a 1 hour match since we had two randoms that died very quickly. The biggest problem for me was that the knight we played against, literally never played killer before. They kept using their power and leaving chases when they could have gotten a free hit. Not like "oh I need to leave and defend the gens" no, they just always left when the chase was 3 seconds instead of 2. We lost at the end because one of us went down due to lag. They've never really been able to catch us in chase and they were doing an awful job regarding their pressure. But because of the perks and we had someone 3 gen us, they won. It's just not healthy for the game imo because they even told us that they didn't have fun in that match lol
Damn, I thought we were finally going to have some one with sense talking about how Eruption and Call of brine was creating forever gens but instead I got a video about diverting attention away from problem perks and instead placing it all on the Knight implying that this is his only tactics and the Knight is the main problem. For the last 6 months, I've been forced to bring Prove thyself and Circle of Healing as those perks are the strongest counters to Eruption call of brine overcharge meta. Let me give you a hint. Killers with Insta downs are almost unbeatable with kick gen meta. You can defend your 3 gen and the moment anyone slightly over extends, your team has lost. Am still crossing my fingers for the day when content creators start drawing attention to the current forever gens meta that has existed for 6 months now as that is the only way Behavior sees anything. I can't believe its been this long and barely any high profile content creators have noticed this problem and the best thing we've got so far is Hens going, "Oh wow. The knight is great at controlling a 3 gen.".....*while using a forever gen build* :| EDIT: oh ok, you made a small mention at the end of the video actually mentioning the main problem. Next time, make that the focus at the START of the video instead of at the very very very very end in the last 30 seconds......
@@hens333 True, but stringing two cohesive concepts helps when telling a story. I can tell you how I had a nice bike ride today and end it with telling you how that makes the best peanut and butter sandwich. Leaves the reader confused as to what the correlation is.
This has to be the most evil playstyle I've ever seen. Only problem is that it's an incredibly effective strategy on not only The Knight, but also on other killers like Demogorgon. Minimal portals throughout the first 3 gens, then at 2 gens left I select which 3 of the 4 I think I can protect and double portal each gen. I intend on early portals being sealed so that I can double portal every gen, keeping 1 portal open and 1 closed at each gen. This strategy works well even without gen kick perks as it forces any gen configuration into being a 3 gen, and with gen kick perks it plays out just like these Knight matches.
Holy dam! Mad props to the streamer for staying chilled and attempting to win. I think perk reworks and meta changes would keep the game fresh if it changes throughout the months. I find this meta boring on both sides. I kinda want more meme perks or a meme meta for a bit to shake everything up. Awesome video like always Hens! Keep up the great work :D
It's a viscous cycle. One of my friends went "Well. Guess I need to put on Prove Thyself too." And I went "And the cycle continues. We perpetuate it. Killers run 3 or 4 slowdowns. So we run 3 or 4 Prove Thyselves. But now cause we're running 3 or 4 Prove Thyselves. Killers are gonna feel the need to being 3 or 4 Slowdowns..."
PTS is useless and overrated compared to other perks. It only saves you a few seconds. You could just use hyperfocus and save 40 seconds on a solo gen, instead of like 7 seconds on a duo gen.
@@AveryHyena PTS is overrated compared to what, the other 10-12 niche meta perks that are viable against good players? Its still clearly ahead of dozens of other abandoned perks, doesn't sound useless or overrated at all. I feel like a lotta people downplay how valuable it is when used properly with coordination. It is one of the only perks in the game that can actually make a difference towards situations like this video because whether you admit it or not a few seconds can make a world of difference in DBD especially in sweaty lobbies and especially when you're in comms. Its not the best perk in the game by any means, but we're not gonna sit here and call it useless while hundreds of top% players run it in pubs on a daily basis and get value without issue Of course having 2-3 people on every single gen is inefficient, but people using the perk in sub-optimal ways doesn't lessen the perk's value itself. People say the same thing about Circle of Healing and its wrong. Yes, players committing to booning too much instead of pressuring gens can hurt the team, but that doesn't mean CoH is overrated or useless. They're both clearly towards the top end of Survivor perks and everybody knows it
@@AyJayStyles Literally anything else besides perks like deja vu. For example, resilience, hyperfocus or just a mechanics or above toolbox or any toolbox with addons is a straight upgrade to PTS. PTS only saves 6.9 seconds on a duo gen.
@@AveryHyena Prove Thyself is worse than literally every perk in the game other than ones like Deja Vu? 🤦🏻♂️ So 7 seconds of gen progress is weaker than Self Care, Breakdown, Poised, Up the Ante, Buckle up, Premonition etc? Yeah I’ve heard it all lmao Like I said, I’m not calling it the best gen perk at all but you’re hating super hard on it
It goes both ways unforunately though. Prove, potential energy and a bnp would have prevented this. Its honestly a two way street on the broken side of things.
@@thegame346 Just cause its rare doesn't devalue how broken it is. That's like saying blights are fine to bring compound 33 and alch ring some games or worse iri tag to pair with alch ring and call it fine cause they are rare to use.
BHVR are so good at misunderstanding the message. They could watch this video 4 times in a row in perfect silence and then finally go "hmmm... nerf overcharge...?"
Went with this build in the very beginning of my Knight journey, even made a video on it with my build varying at one point: I ran Sloppy/Lethal instead of eruption. But, tho enjoying the Knight A LOT, I actually find myself camping/tunneling/3-genning with ANY build I run ten, twenty times more often than with any killer ever before. He is wild
Reasons like this are why I argue the point that regardless of how well survivors play or what they bring, 99% of the time the killer ends up dictating how everyone has to play with their unlimited use perks, map control and with strategies like camping or tunneling. The closest thing which survivors can do (which us extremely rare) is bring 4 brand new parts and rush gens. Hardly comparable considering killers can literally do this with perks not add ons.
It’s weird because Call of Brine is no stronger than it was at release, but now it feels super overpowered. I think what would help immensely is adding a cool down. Not a long cooldown, but even just like a 30-40 second cooldown would be great. That way killers are incentivized to use it intelligently and not just apply it all the time whenever they want.
It would be fine if Overcharge didn't get changed. I thought Call of Brine was solid when it came out because it was basically kickable Ruin with a 60 second timer. You could also tap the gen to keep it from regressing. To THINK that there's a perk that quadruples the regression of Ruin with no time limit to which it's active and you are likely to get punished by stopping the regression reflects how poor the balancing team is. If anything, Overcharge needs a cooldown.
@@APopptart I thought overcharge only increases over time to 200%? I think the current state of overcharge is fine, but it’s problematic that it and CoB stack together. You shouldn’t be able to kick a gen and have it regress at like 500%.
@@thatfishguy4991 I just looked it up. I could've sworn the digits on Overcharge said 400% at one point. Regardless, gens regressing at 200% (let alone 300%) is just hurting the game for survivors and I'd even argue that it's hurting killers. Killers these days are far less skill reliant than they used to be. Most games as survivor I play, my team loses to a killer's perks rather than their power.
@@APopptart yeah on the PTB overcharge started out at 100% and increased to 400% over time but they realized how over powered that was and nerfed it thankfully.
I had the god 3 gen setup on Haddonfield as Knight (2 strode house gens and garden gen). I was starting to get backed into a corner and decided to start playing for the gens (my build was spies, mag grit, corrupt, and dissolution). Despite the fact that I had no gen kicking perks and was running multiple off meta ones, I was able to just camp my gens with the patrol path speed+distance and blindness addons. Even with no late game slowdown I slowly choked them out and won after about 30 minutes. The knight is way too good at this. I really want knights patrol aspect of his power to be incentivized, but right now jt cant be done without first addressing 3 gens. I don’t know how the best way to approach it is, maybe if no gens have been completed for 8-10 minutes survivors get a repair boost, or maybe even see their teammates’ auras to help with solo q struggles. And for sure at least Eruption needs a nerf. I just don’t like how easy it is for knight, nurse, and blight to just hold games hostage with a tight gen spread.
When me and my squad meet this kind of killer from time to time who starts camping 3 gen right at the start we just go into hiding and wait until he starts doing his objective or until he DC's. We never lose this mental game.
That doesn’t make sense. Seems sus. Why would killer dc. If they got upset they would camp and tunnel. Also if his objectives are the 3 gen from the start. Then wtf u tahm bout ,, wait for him to do objective. Susssy.
Sigh. Remember when the community had a meltdown over buffed Boil Over? Remember how FAST that got nerfed, because it was forcing killers to slug and bleed out the survivors and how this wasn't fun or interactive for the killer? How the F is this any different?! So apparently, it's totally fine for 4 survivors to be bored out of their minds for an HOUR STRAIGHT, but God forbid a killer has to wait 4 minutes for a survivor to bleed out. Let that sink in.
@@boringmonkey6958 you say that like the Killers normally want the Survivors to stay for a hour. This was just a test. No normal Killer would want to be in a game this long and most want it over as quick as possible. That's why it's not patched *yet.*
@@Theragtagna This is very true but you'd propably be surprised by how many people are...well they are not doing very well up there inside their heads, case in point too many killer mains are not normal
I'd make argument for both sides here. - Infinite gen regression is very strong. - Survivors being hit like 100 times and still being able to heal is also quite the same situation. You lock the killer into 3 gen, and infinitely heal yourself on the other side of the map. Throughout the game killer wasn't allowed to leave their 3 gen otherwise they could lose the game, meanwhile survivors had infinite chances / resets for 1h. So was the game unfair on survivors for allowing the killer to get into this situation? Was the game unfair on the killer for not allowing them to chase? The answer is probably yes to both sides.
Here's an idea I heard somewhere (I think it was Scott Jund) : NO perk on either side affect gens in any way. Gens are perfect. We can negotiate the time it takes to complete one, but nothing boosts gens and nothing slows them down other than basic repair and basic kick. Every other aspect of the game is fair game.
I really hope HBVR changes something about this. With Eruption being the way it is currently, a three gen situation like this is just unwinnable sometimes.
Amazing, you can play the game *completely legit* and "hold it hostage" to the point where anti-cheat kicks in, despite no cheating occurring. That said, the problem is that if a killer takes these gen lock perks, survivors basically *have* to take genrush perks to succeed, and yet it's also the same the other way around, a killer will struggle without them if survivors go full genrush. We had a perk revamp so recently, it seems weird to have another one already, but it does seem like it's needed.
I mean to be fair, BHVR DID say they were going to be making these perk updates regularly... Then they did like 1 more small batch of perk changes, then they randomly butchered Blast Mine then gave it a weak compensatory buff..... And that's it. I'm not surprised, when they said they'd be making constant perk changes more frequently, I knew they were lying... But they literally gave up like one patch later... They didn't even try 🥴 Now, if they actually, for ONCE, stuck to their word, we wouldn't be in the current situation we're in because these problematic perks would have been sorted out months ago!
First of all I would like to say I’ve used this strategy a few times and it’s very frustrating that it feels like this is all knight is good for at the moment. Secondly, if most of your viewers are not subscribed that’s actually a good thing because it means UA-cam is pushing your content out so congrats! That’s how I found it btw. Third and finally, great video!
I held a similar game like this. I played as Sadako with COB, Jolt, Eruption, and Pain Res. I locked down 3 gens that were lined up back to back, and there was nothing the survivors could do. If they tapped a gen, I kicked it. If I committed to a chase, Jolt and Pain Res still covered me. It's brutal, I wonder if Potential Energy will become meta because of this
i think overcharge not having a cool down rlly helps w gen kicking build that most ppl are using atp, & eruption being super annoying w the 20 seconds of doing nothing while you watch the gen regress
Hey hens I'm glad you made a video about this a couple days ago I was in a match where the knight had 0 kills and I was in a three gen which he protected with his life he managed to kill 2 surv and I ended up in what seems like 2 hour match . Edit:I worded it wrong but anyway the game had ended to neither us winning or him losing he refused to hook one of us and was trying to down both of us. He also had call of brine and overcharge
This genlocking "tactic" is way too effective in my opinion Had a Deathslinger match, with CoB, Eruption and Brutal Strength. I had like 2-3 hooks by the time one gen only needed to be done, but they gave me the most disgusting 3 gen imaginable and after like 30 min of ONLY defending these 3 gens and have a hit and run playstyle (only really chasing when I knew it was safe) I actually won, although I didn't really deserved it lol
It's not like prove thyself , hyperfocus and other gen speed perks arent strong .. both side are here to do their objectives .. it's the survivors fault if they 3 gens themselves. Eruption isnt an issue , if eruption is an issue so gens speed perks from survivors are too . Dont blame the other side when they play effective .
@@thedutywarlord264 If he saw that 3 gen at the start of the match and decided he will hold it no matter what, there is almost nothing survivors can do unless they are some gen rushing swf smart enough to save toolboxes and brand new parts for last gen. It is really unhealthy, it is not like prove thyself will completely counter a three gen since you need other people on the gen with you to get speed boost and hyper focus needs lots of skill checks, without the killer coming to check on said gen. They are still unhealthy for the game and there is nothing worse then constantly getting downs but gens are being completed almost at the same pace, think all of these perks need a rework to had a bigger requirement to activating rather then just being passive or getting a single down. They literally made pain res a better version of pop, call of brine is basically ruin + surveillance but whenever you kick a gen and overcharge is just frustration simulator (hit skill check, gen gets kicked again, get chased for 10 seconds, comeback, gen is now at 0)
@@thedutywarlord264 First of all, I didn't blame anyone, that match that I shared in my comment was a match where I was the Killer. Gen speed perks are strong, but honestly I think in a 3 gen scenario like shown in that video, that they still won't help that much. Not saying that they need to get buffed, but being able to hold a 3 gen this disgustingly shouldn't be possible.
I respect the commitment. I had a Knight like this yesterday when I came back to the game after a short break and I just gave up, I didn't want to waste my time on something I find extremely boring and frustrating. BHVR made an amazing job with Knight. It's the worst killer design since OG Legion, even Trickster is more interesting than the Knight. The most hilarious thing about the Knight is that he's probably even more boring to play as than he is to verse. As OG Legion you could at least run fast and interact with survivors, as Trickster you aim knives, as the Knight, you are just playing walking simulator and spamming bots. This paired with Eruption meta is just miserable...
I have to agree with you. All their original killers since Clown are boring as hell but Knight takes the cake even over original Legion which I thought was impossible.
Spamming bots is the most fun part. It is getting a hit without touching a survivor. Ask any Nemesis player and they will easily say that zombie hits are one of the most fun parts about him,
games like this are mind numbing on either side, especially survivor though. with the main interesting part of games (for both sides) being chase, it’s extremely mind numbing to just keep starting a gen just for it to get knocked down to nothing for 30 mins straight. as a killer, it’s boring because you’re essentially waiting for the survivors to give up and say gg next and give you your kills (which often i don’t even see killers take, because they’re worried in the 30 seconds they take to down and hook someone that a gen will magically pop)
Chase is the least interesting part of this game. It is beyond frustrating for both sides, as well as anxiety inducing. As a survivor, I just heal people and want to work on gens at peace, away from any danger or killer. Maybe occasional unhook here and there. As a killer, I play killers that can bypass the need of chase altogether (ambush + instadown/hit and run, etc etc). Knight is beyond fun as well, since you don’t have to personally involve yourself in going through the pallet town. Have been playing this game for 5 years now this way and still enjoy it. Perks like Eruption etc are really fun, since they create interaction with killer without the need to face said killer. Chase being placed as “the most interesting part of the game” is everything that is wrong with this game. This is a HORROR game. Horror is about avoiding the boogeyman (or quickly dying). This is not Scooby-Doo simulator, for God’s sake
I used to love these matches. Back when it was The Doctor that did the brutal 3-gen. I never got frustrated with the killer though, I got frustrated with the survivors. So often they'd just give up or go hide on the other side of the map, losing all pressure, so they could heal or try and get the hatch. Even as the killer doing the 3-gen the survivors would often appreciate the challenge. Don't recall anyone being salty about it. Of course the game has changed since then. It's been awful for about 3 years.
Hey, i came across your video, and i realized that the knight you played against was actually me. I just bought the knight around that time, and i was trying him. I think it was my second or third game as him. Fun game XD
39 minutes as Doctor was my longest game, on Lery's too. It was brine, OC, sloppy, and deadlock. I managed to hold them at 5 gens for basically the whole game, the last survivor found me and kneeled in front of me to die
How about if the survivors make it to the hour mark they win instead of the killer? To incentivize the killer to try and end the match instead of stall it forever. Just an idea then the survivors have a little leverage in that exact scenario.
You can then create different problem. Where survivors hide from the killer for 1 hour. Best solution is to put cap to gens regressing perks(max 2. I think could be healthy) and put cap to swf perks(1 perk per team?).
I don't you're just playing the game, I think you're purseposefully holding the game hostage and not chasing or killing survivors, I think this is as toxic as it gets, and honestly I don't care if you agree or not, recently I started playing for fun, not caring if I win or lose, but you're not even allowing them to lose, this is so frustrating
I actually massively respect the opposing streamer, he was incredibly nice for the situation he was put in. I would have 100% given in to the frustration and said some unpleasant things
Hens, I'm the Knight that you mentioned at the beginning of the video, and I'm so sorry that I made that 3-Gen so hard to break. It was a really rough match and fortunately for y'all, the Jeff knew to keep focusing on getting rid of the Guards as soon as possible to generate more pressure on me. I actually had full intention to make the match last the whole 60, but we know what happened. And now I feel sorry for the people you made into victims lol But I'm glad the other streamer got a big shoutout. He's a nice guy.
@@impishlyit9780 When the match began, I had no intent to make it last that long. When everyone did gens fast enough, I was like, "Alright, time to make this a war of attrition." And don't stand on your pedestal acting all high and mighty.
Playing as the Knight for a bit, I tried different perks and such to see what his strengths were. His chase is so weak that I naturally leaned towards a more defensive playstyle but since his guards stop if a survivor is rescuing, they're basically useless for GUARDING anything but the objective. So naturally, I started to exactly go with this playstyle because of how he can occupy two objectives at the same time. It's incredibly oppressive, nearly impossible to beat with the right setup. Uncoordinated survivors don't have a chance as long as his regression is faster than their progression, honestly.
The best perks for 3 gens: Vigil, Sprint Burst, Potential Energy, Built To Last Sprint Burst, Potential Energy, Built To last, Boon Circle Of Healing Sprint Burst, Potential energy, Built To Last, Prove thy self Sprint Burst, Potential Energy, Built to last, Fogwise
Yeah thanks for your video man, now people just playing like it with knight, they don't even play any other generator they camp 3 from the start and spam guards, really nice video, you make the game better for sure
Have you ever played a 1 hour dbd match?
Yes
Yep. Cheaters sure like to waste time.
played before 40 minutes one with blendettes
I have with legion before the 3 gens where all next to each other and they where all good at poofing this was before nemesis and ring where in. I only won because I hit someone with frenzy and got lucky
Alternate title: allowing survivors to do their favourite thing in the game hold m1 for an hour.
Something died inside me when he got hit by eruption when the he finally managed to get a gen to 95%
hope is nonexistent
Eruption in a nutshell
The worst part is before the buffed Eruption it would have just prevented them from working on it. It would not have lost progress. But for some reason, the devs thought the already strong perk needed a buff.
@@J_BiggityBar old eruption still had a gen regression not only incapacitated
It wasn't 95% tho...
"I need to go in 15 minutes, I have time for a quick survivor game"
*Facing The Knight*
Oh no
and we all thought twins games were long OMEGALUL
My thana legion ain’t even that bad bruh
"I am gonna bake a pizza simultaneously, surely the match won't last long..."
Literally happened to me yesterday. I dc'd from a knight game after 22 minutes because I was going to be late for work.
nah fr
Hens: I was tortured for 30 mins in genlock in my game
Also Hens: time to torture survivors for 1 HOUR
@@Delphic_Wendigo frrrr 😂
double it and give it to the next person they say
He just doubled it and gave it to the next person 😂😂😂
6:30 I really like that despite how much he’s clearly having a poor time of it he goes out of his way to specify he has no problem with you as a person and his gripes are with the killer
Then goes on to insult him after
My heart goes out to those survivors. It’s really disheartening to hear the passion go out from the survivor. You can just hear it in his voice.
I know! It's like music to my ears
@@watership02 shiver me timbers!
@@watership02 HAHAHA
@@watership02 amen
Nah that's just normal dbd player behavior.
The saddest part is that the game became less and less about them wanting to win but wanting someone else to lose. Truly this is about as evil as it gets.
lol yup. bully squads refusing to do gens just to follow the killer around and sabo hooks /constantly flashlight save, and killers purposely running broken builds to force the survivors to DC. dbd easily has one of the worst communities
@@matthewmccoy7437 99% of Bully squads are a joke compared to this lol. In most cases, you just end up getting all of them in 10 mins.
@@matthewmccoy7437 You need a bully squad for that. Most of the player bases is solo que this shit is brutal.
What's worse is that, the amount of gen progress that kept regressing is more than like 2, 2.5 gens.....
@@matthewmccoy7437 Idk about you but I love when survivors try to do that instead of hammering Gens, even more so if I’m a killer who can heavily benefit from altruism like Wesker. That’s free real estate (free infections!).
Another reason to nerf Trapper
LEAVE MY BOY ALONE
Another reason to buff Nurse
Nerf PIG NOW
Another reason to nerf D tier killers
Buff my boi pyramid head
Thanks Hens! 😊 it was awesome being imprisoned with you for an hour
Bro u r such a legend, holy shit
Brooo, I can feel your pettiness about not letting him win and Claudette LMAOOO
A true survivor
Infinite heals is unhealthy at the same time
@@torcherglass yes we need to nerf self care again 🤡
Everyone being like "just don't give him the three gen" you do realize that they, no matter what, need to finish one of those gens. The three gen always exists, regardless of how many gens are completed at the moment.
Yeah if a killer from the get-go focuses the 3 gen from the beginning and protects those gens with his life over killing the survivors and has the right perks they can almost hold the survivors hostage forever.
Sure, THEORETICALLY, with perfect AI play by the killer, you'd be right. However, that's not how it works in reality, because the killer's human. Even in this video, the survivors almost finished one of the 3 gens several times due to human error (getting distracted, going too far from the gens, etc).
Having a 4th gen aura on the map to potentially distract the killer or momentarily disorient him can only be beneficial. Especially in an hour long match, that's a lot of room for the killer to make a misplay.
Maybe 45 minutes into the game, the killer gets distracted and chases a survivor a little too far from the gens, and instead of immediately correcting himself and going back, he thinks "well the 3 gens are all at 0% and the 4th gen's right next to me now, I'll just kick it really quick to get eruption on it, and it can't hurt to get it regressing, maybe that will make the survivors come back to it". He ends up spending an extra 15 seconds moving to the gen, kicking it, and then heading back-which ends up being the exact amount of extra time the survivors needed to finish a gen.
When the killer's protecting a 3 gen from the start, the worst thing you can do is finish all the other gens. There's no benefit in doing that. All it does is give the killer less to think about and reduce the likelihood he'll make a mistake.
that was my thought, and I love that Hens mentioned it too, it didn't matter that Claudette did the 4th gen and it didn't matter they did other gens -- with Hens being hellbent on protecting the 3 gen for the strat this was bound to happen either way
I feel like a lot of people who blame another survivor for causing a 3 gen don't realize that that last gen basically meant nothing since the 3 gen already existed due to a) previous gens that had been done or b) the killer forcing the 3 gen from the get go
and in general I feel like a lot of survivors do not pay attention to the gens they're doing, I feel like as a general rule to prevent 3 gens you should do gens closer to the middle first if possible, or if you do a corner gen do NOT do the next gen you find, and another tip is to recognize certain maps that will absolutely be split in half if you get rid of 1-3 middle gens (Sanctum of Wrath for example), those maps also tend to be the ones where 3 gens happen a lot because they fail to realize how many gens are on each side
People have this clueless view where a 3gen is always up to a survivor mistake and the killer has no say on it. It really says a lot about how little knowledge a lot of the comunity has on the game.
SoloQ is a beautiful experience, thanks Claudette for playing with her brain turned off completely.
Survivor can control which 3 gen are left on the map
Obviously a lot harder to do if the killer goes into the game only wanting to play for his selected 3 gen
If the claudette used her brain she'd have seen what the killer was doing, just like how the streamer noticed... But she didn't have her brain on and gave them the almost perfect 3 gen to defend.
"His sportsmanship is something I want one day."
Him: "I'm not giving a GG, that guy is a literal psychopath."
Edit: For clarification I wasn't actually implying the guy was unsportsmanlike, he was very sportsmanlike for being as polite as he was given the circumstances. I was simply musing at how the survivor said what he said right after being called a good sport. It was a funny juxtaposition.
That is the best response you can expect to get after a match like that lmao.
@@promqueen8645 aye an hour of this bullshit would have had me choosing much stronger language lol
He had a valid reason for not saying gg.
Well that's what he is in this game, tho. This playing style is showing no empathy or remorse, which is pretty much the definition of psychopathy
Are you for real acting like he didn't act the best given that Hens decided to waste their time for an hour?
“This guy is so annoying and by this guy i mean the killer, not like the person” i love this mindset! even though the person playing is technically being an arse holding the game hostage he can seperate that from the core issue that being the perks and the killer power. love this guy already
I wish more players were like him. Based af.
I always follow my despise of Pinhead with "Nothing against the player but god fuck this Killer and his gameplay design. But nothing against the player."
Right that's I was thinking? Put more people in this world like that guy
Ya but at the end he calls Hens a psychopath (not knowing who it was I guess but still)
The streamer was whiny all the way through and frankly pretty rude
@@tradebaron6790 bro he played a 60 minute match, that build was very much psychotic
Trade Baron Well I think it is ok to be annoyed and frustrated with a game. Especially an individual match. And also I understand some not actually harmful trashtalk. Like what I'm familiar with from my days in FGCs. If I pulled a fast one on my opponent and they went "OH YOU ABSOLUTELY BASTARD" but at the end of the day I know he didn't really mean it. Games still ended with a "GG" and a handshake and maybe even a "You played well."
I do the same in DBD. Like if someone gets me with a sneaky Undetectable play I'm like "oh you dirty motherfucker" but I don't actually mean it and if anything it's my weird way of COMMENDING them for it for making it work lmao.
Surprised the streamer was so chill about the whole situation. I feel like most (including me) would have just given up or been raging 😂.
I would've just went up to the knight and point to the hook
@@topsgaming4266 Yeah haha I'd rather not bother with playing the game tbh. I mean I can be a stubborn bastard at times but yeah if I get on dbd I want to have fun not play super slow gen sim.
Chill? He was hell bent and darn near driven mad by this situation 😂
@@BowserStrange If you think he was being toxic then point out where because from what I saw he was being super chill about the whole situation. Sure he got upset but who wouldn't in that situation but that doesn't make him not chill his demeanor and the way he was talking about things is what makes him a chill person.
@@WyattOShea Girl did I say “toxic?”Now come on now don’t get stupid. He was clearly upset and far from chill. But he wasn’t being toxic I never said anything like that nor was I insinuating as such. You may have misunderstood the mood of my comment hints the laugh emoji 😒
Imagine if they didn't add that 60 minute cap it would be insane if after 25-30 killers just won as an alternative win con
Since when did they add the 60 minute cap? I'm so confused.
@@blazinhorus2004 it was recently in the last couple of months - a "temporary" fix to combat the popular wave of cheaters/stream snipers holding matches hostage for hours and hours on end
Nah I think 45 is fine I’ve had half hour games without being held hostage some games just long asf
While I know it was to prove a Point; that fact that Hens didnt hook anyone after holding the 3 Gen, despite downing them so many times, is the Scariest part for me
So I tried this strategy but decided too hook instead and oh dear god they dropped like flies and kept killing themselves on hook meaning this fucking mad lad intentionally didn't hook not because they'd do a Gen but because he wanted all 4 in the game as long as possible
I tried this and they just bled out on the ground :(
@@davidchildress4378 well you could always bleed out
Maybe you and the other streamer could each submit this match to the devs so they can watch it. Maybe it would help the devs realize what issues are in the game and could potentially be fixed.
Also, I now firmly believe potential energy was added to the game just to counteract this type of play style and the devs knew the knight was too good at three gen-locking.
The devs don't balance based on actual footage and gameplay they balance based on statistics and numbers
@@ClankykingSumireko yeah thats why they buffed nurse and nerfed trapper and also are nerfing windows of opportunity
@@theurbanreanimator7244 whats happening to windows
@@Kreamations thats the joke, theyre not nerfing windows, they buffed trapper not too long ago, and just nerfed nurse
@@ClankykingSumireko or they nerf things into oblivion when they get destroyed on stream, a few days ago i watched how a match made them basically delete insta blind from the game after a dev got his ass handed to him in a pub match live
Ah yes, the alternate Killer Win Condition. The newly implemented match timer! Thanks Behavior!
This was actually already a thing, but they recently reduced it by an hour. It exists to stop cheaters from *literally* holding the game hostage indefinitely, and was reduced because 2 hours was still way too long to be sitting there waiting for it to end. Turns out you don't even need a cheater to hold the game hostage!
@@cbplayz2374 1 hour is still ridiculous
@@Altair796 you're right. Maybe 30 mins is the max it should get. And even then, there shouldn't be a match of DBD lasting THAT long.
@@salvo88 and it shouldn't kill the survivors and forfeit to killer. It should just end and everyone escapes, the killer doesn't depip, their MMR stays the same.
@@HoppersMustacheBut if a game is going so long it’s either a really good killer staling or a cheater so idk I think it makes sense
And people wonder why Vittorio came out with 3 gen perks designed around close quarters. Vittorios perks were designed to counter 3 gens because the devs knew how effective the knight was with it.
And solving game design flaws with perks is a horrible way to go about it, yet behavior insists on this method of 'balancing'
And yet none of them actually are good against 3-gens? PE can work, but you need multiple people with it and to get lucky. QG is just bad
PE only works before you get into a 3 gen situation, which is counterintuitive while QG is a badly designed perk as the killer is going to chase you off of the gen whenever they hear you repairing
Honestly, I'm a main vittorio myself now, and his perk stored energy is amazing in solo play or saving a gen. I honestly have saved a few games using that perk alone and stopping the killer from turning everything into hell. I'm just really, really bad at getting away and looping myself
PE will become stable of good cord swf atleast on one person.
You were lucky to have such patient survivors. I would disconnect after 15 min 🤣 I followed the guy, he is really wholesome, he deserves a crowd of followers 👍
Huge props to the streamer for not going insane and staying as positive and nice as he did. I understand his frustration after playing an hour long war against a Knight with seemingly no chance of winning.
Great video, lovely content, hope it gets the attention of the Devs
The real Devour Hope is this playstyle LMAO
Respect to him I could not play a match this infuriating for that long
Bro hasent played league
@@Neekogami This is basically an everyday occurrence for us league players.
@@Ty-dl4grthe reason I stopped playing league 😂 game is way to rage inducing
I think this really highlights how oppressive eruption is especially in solo survivor games.
It does but it's still needed rather any of us like it or not. Eruption is the only thing stopping killers from being wrecked and destroyed by teams on mic. This whole thing goes far deeper than just eruption bad. Time needs to be taken into looking into survivors that can gen 2 or 3 gens with in a snap of the game. We need to take the time to see why this meta was even born and what has lead to it become the over used
@@akeultomo2213 Pretty much. This entire problem is trying to balance around a 4-man SWF on Comms vs. A high-level Nurse/Blight with meta perks. The mid-tier killers and solo-queue players get unwarrantedly shafted trying to balance comp teams.
@@akeultomo2213 eruption doesn’t work on swfs with mics. Anyone who isn’t a mute can call out when they’re going to go down. Eruption is just a pubstomp perk that works better and better versus the weakest type of survivors in the game: soloqueue players.
eruption didn't do that much in this match the main issue is cob and overcharge paired with a killer that's extremely good at holding a three gen
Junko I am sorry but this is an argument I am tired of seeing. It does work on SWFs. It's just not always possible to call when exactly you are going to go down. Maybe the Killer mindgames at an unsafe loop. Maybe the Huntress hits a cracked Window Shot. Maybe the OPPOSITE happens. Wraith somehow MISSES his M1 but I already told my friends to get off the Gen. Trickster somehow misses his last blade. From very good teams in Pubs to actual Comp teams. Eruption does work even on those players. Obviously not AS good as Solo Q but still pretty good.
Eruption is the most annoying Gen regression perk imo.
I had this happen in Lery against Knight. The worst part we realized very soon that he was defending the middle, dropping all chases after a hit at best.
We tried 99'ing a safe gen to lure him out of the strategy, but the killer just won't budge, so we just ended up loosing a very boring and long match.
And we lost it only because we tried to play it. We could have just literally walked around the map chatting in voice chat waiting for the 2-hour game limit.
This is clearly taking the game hostage, and hopefully will be fixed soon. Otherwise it will be bnp+potential energy every game, with killers complaining that survivors are doing their only objective in the game.
THIS, THIS, THIS. PERFECTION 👌
What? Killers whining about Survivors doing their only objective? Never heard of that before.
What? Killers whining about Survivors adapting to the boring tactics Killers use? Never.
Killers are saints, victimised by the Bully Survivors and neglected by Daddy BHVR 😭😭😭
Its already full of Proves and BNP's, with the resiliences, hyperfocus, stakeouts, etc for squads. Had a game yesterday, literally less than 40 seconds from starting the match 3 gens flew at the same time. I won by tunneling one out and camping inside a 3 gen, and then they complained about it. You don't play at maximum effectiveness, then get to complain that the other side does the same.
@Ajbajnificent
My guy, survivors are playing like that because every killer and their mother is playing 3 gen kicking strats. Every killer has Eruption&CoB (or whatever flavour of Eruption they're daring to try today), tunnels the first survivor out ASAP and then drags the game out for a month while they camp their 3 gen and force a stalemate with the gens.
You're honestly surprised survivors are running Prove, BNPs etc etc etc? Dear lord, at least accept the very thing you're complaining about is a problem of your own making. Something a lot of players these days seem incapable of doing.
It's like when killers whinged and whinged and whinged about survivors looping and everyone joked that one day killers would complain about survivors running in a straight line... And here we are... Killers complaining about W Key because the devs have made stealth and looping less and less viable (due to killer complaints), so running in a straight line literally did become the next best thing to do. And what do killers do now? Whinge about survivors running in a straight line.... The joke became a reality.
Seems to be a pattern here...
@@boringmonkey6958 Looping is less viable😂😂 there are literal god pallets and infinite loops. Also the gen kick meta was caused because killers need a way to counter the gen rush meta of survivors after the nerf of ruin/pop. A good survivor can loop a killer for 3 gens, if not even 4.
I loved his comment "I'm not giving that guy GG's, that guy's a literal psychopath" 14:58
I think one of the issue is that the perks has too good of a synergy. Unlike ruin where it’s a good perk but can’t really stack up with other gen-regress perks, these 4 perks stack up way too well.
Yep, when they did the rebalance, I and many others saw that gen perks were going to be very strong because you can combine them together to get really strong effects to both regress gens while you're there, and regress gens when you commit to a chase. Either way, you're covered. The only dodgy thing is the information but CoB partly provides that information from the outset as not everyone is going to consistently slam the great skill checks.
They really need to give killers some powerful perks that do other things. Shorten chases, namely. There are two ways for killers to go about winning. One, prevent the survivors from doing gens with gen regression builds like this, so that hooks can trickle in while no gen progress is made, or two, simply down survivors fast enough to win outright. Most killers are incapable of the latter, so they must default to the former. Weaker killers need more map pressure so that they can accomplish the latter without relying too heavily on the former. They need to be able to push survivors off of gens so that they don't need to run strong regression perks and (like nurse and blight) begin to lean into the strengths of their powers.
@@coultersheppard2052 killers already have plenty of things that force survivors to waste plenty of time. Pinhead requires you to go get the box every so often. Legion is mending simulator, Myers forces you to constantly run across the map or you build his evil within and the biggest offender of them all, pig who is joked about all the time forces you to 99% gens in a meta when 99% means you may never get to complete it again while all 4 survivors have to waste minutes upon minutes trying to remove the bear trap. And they also get plenty of perks to waste more time. All hexes, basically. And they have stuff like enduring
/spirit fury, dissolution, bamboozle, brutal strength to end chases far faster and even other utility perks like the third seal/montrous shrine which both waste time and apply tons of pressure. Regressing gens will always be the easiest to use however so killers only use these
That streamer had such a strong mental to keep it together for that long, major props to them!
Thanks so much I appreciate you all
@@Tommyblueee You deserve follows for how composed and kind you are. In fact...
@@Tommyblueeestart posting videos on UA-cam! Please!
I've once spent an hour in a game because solo queue teammates wouldn't split on the last gen when there was a line of gens on asylum. To make it even more dreadful, the killer wanted to slug for a 4k mori after tunneling the first survivor at 4 gens. All that just for the 3rd survivor to bleed out and I get hatch.
The addition of CoH and free regression perks are what's making these stalemates so painful. Survivors have a renewable heal so there's no reason not to just run to the other side of the map, but killer has no reason to chase and instead leaves to go kick their gens and get free regression with overcharge and CoB.
Yep, CoH encourages the team, especially solo queues, to group up and heal on safe sides of the map whereas CoB and the rest of the killer meta perks can safely regress gens, leading to these stalemates where usually the killer wins because the survivors run out of patience and resources.
It's a 2-pronged issue from both sides that needs resolved by nerfs and other changes. Personally I would nerf Eruption's incap timer and make killer kicks to totems destroy the totems to encourage the killer to seek out the boon and destroy it.
@@Justmonika6969 It's called shattered hope
@@johntran4478 They're saying to make it basekit.
@@Justmonika6969 I would rather honestly replace the incap effect with another one. Like exposed, exhausted, etc. Make the effect last longer if needed but straight up just delete the incap effect. I dunno who thought taking away gameplay as an effect was a good idea at BHVR but it's the dumbest thing I've heard of. "Survivor's objectives are already boring as is, so let's make it even more boring by making it so they can't do anything and the objective takes even longer!" WHY DID ANYONE THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?
Talking about coh, they made a huge mistake by placing it as far as possible. If they placed it near they would have healed faster and pressure the gens quicker. Don't think they cleansed the 4 other dull totems and Hens wouldn't have time to always snuff the boon unless it were right in the 3 gen area.
Gen regression perks like these are definitely unhealthy, I agree. I think Eruption is one of the most annoying because it because requires 4 man SWF or it's very incredibly strong towards endgame. Being 3-genned or even just needing progress and then your random survivor gets downed with no indication is a nightmare.
Full anti gen isnt that good i can-
* *Instantly loses most gens to a SWF after spawning with a non-meta killer in a single match without regression perk* *
I think DBD has a problem
@IM TOO LAZY For a profile pic
Yeah, you're the one with the problem my dude. You're the sort who bases his opinion of balance on the result of one bad match.
In DBD's current state and with this current meta, if you're not 4King in at least 70% of your matches, you're doing something terribly wrong. The games where you're legitimately getting gen rushed by a SWF are genuinely few and far between.
I'm tired of people saying combos like this are healthy for the game because once in a blue moon killers will get gen rushed by a SWF (I mean ACTUALLY gen rushed, not you losing 3 gens because you over committed to a chase in a bad area of the map at a strong loop, and then acting hard done by and victimised when 3 gens managed to get done because you gave them zero reason to get off the gens for an entire 90-120 seconds, uninterrupted).
main problem here is that knight can effectivly be at multiple places at once, at least for gen stopping purposes
@@omniphage9391 His power is also great for camping hook. I’ve seen them use it to patrol close-by gens (probably to cause a 3 gen) while simultaneously putting down squires at hook, and returning before the squire disappears. Its a very unfun experience, even if your healthy and take a slap to unhook, knight is close enough to chase one of you thanks to the tracks and blood pools. But its up to bhvr to look at things like this and address it. Which I hope they do within the next millennium lmao
cry some more about getting your gen kicked loser
I now feel incredibly validated that despite all my frustrations towards the game, I've stuck with my guns and didn't go full gen kick meta. And I play Trapper.
It’s honestly so much fun without it. I feel like I’m playing brain dead with pain res and eruption, but without any I’m constantly in action and really working for pressure. I can understand perks like corrupt or pop being necessary for some killers, but this slowdown meta that doesn’t even require much (if any) interaction is really boring. They fixed old ruin and just made it 10x worse…
Ah, I see you too are cultured.
I too feel validated, because i main Knight and DON'T play as boring as physically possible, opting instead for devour hope + 3 end game perks.
I play basement trapper and it makes people mad lol
I had a similar match like this with a 3 gen against a Freddy... it did not go this long and eventually I just wanted to go next. It was our stupid fault for 3 genning but the Freddy was not good, he just took full advantage of this strat until we got bored and wanted to move on
might’ve been me
@@ZweaZy49 OCE on Yamaoka?
@@MaTtRoSiTy nvm, it was autohaven wreckers against a clicky swf. They got too overconfident that they 3-gened against me, and lost to eruption, call of brine, overcharge and brutal strength.
@@ZweaZy49 Oh nah I am not a clicky swf player type. Very non-toxic play style only
@ZweaZy
Hot damn, what's that build? Call of Brince, Eruption, Overcharge and Brutal Strength? No WAY you beat some survivors who you're assuming were a SWF with the most meta of meta killer builds?!
I'm truly impressed at your sheer dominance in this game... Never have I ever seen any killer do well with that build before, hats off to you! You must have the highest MMR possible to pull off something so wacky and meme worthy. Such a Chad.
I hope the devs look into this video and come up with a solid solution
~~Devs
- wow this is too OP. we really need to nerf pig for sure !
@@danilovsj171 and hillbilly
I had similar situation, after 35 min my kids started to shout at me that they want something to drink and I was so focused on gen protection that I forgot about everything, they rage quit after 40 min ... survivors, not my kids , my kids never give up 😂
GOOD JOB BHVR! WHAT AN AMAZING GAMEPLAY
Literally had this happen to me and my partner last week. It wasn't a 1 hour match since we had two randoms that died very quickly.
The biggest problem for me was that the knight we played against, literally never played killer before. They kept using their power and leaving chases when they could have gotten a free hit. Not like "oh I need to leave and defend the gens" no, they just always left when the chase was 3 seconds instead of 2.
We lost at the end because one of us went down due to lag. They've never really been able to catch us in chase and they were doing an awful job regarding their pressure. But because of the perks and we had someone 3 gen us, they won. It's just not healthy for the game imo because they even told us that they didn't have fun in that match lol
Homeless Frog 69 strikes again
Damn, I thought we were finally going to have some one with sense talking about how Eruption and Call of brine was creating forever gens but instead I got a video about diverting attention away from problem perks and instead placing it all on the Knight implying that this is his only tactics and the Knight is the main problem.
For the last 6 months, I've been forced to bring Prove thyself and Circle of Healing as those perks are the strongest counters to Eruption call of brine overcharge meta. Let me give you a hint. Killers with Insta downs are almost unbeatable with kick gen meta. You can defend your 3 gen and the moment anyone slightly over extends, your team has lost.
Am still crossing my fingers for the day when content creators start drawing attention to the current forever gens meta that has existed for 6 months now as that is the only way Behavior sees anything. I can't believe its been this long and barely any high profile content creators have noticed this problem and the best thing we've got so far is Hens going, "Oh wow. The knight is great at controlling a 3 gen.".....*while using a forever gen build* :| EDIT: oh ok, you made a small mention at the end of the video actually mentioning the main problem. Next time, make that the focus at the START of the video instead of at the very very very very end in the last 30 seconds......
Conclusions are usually at the end
@@hens333 True, but stringing two cohesive concepts helps when telling a story.
I can tell you how I had a nice bike ride today and end it with telling you how that makes the best peanut and butter sandwich. Leaves the reader confused as to what the correlation is.
@@hondragrid W mans
"Hello friends, this is Otz, according to your mom's talk about the birds and the bees, and today I present to you my fifty win streak on The Knight."
This has to be the most evil playstyle I've ever seen. Only problem is that it's an incredibly effective strategy on not only The Knight, but also on other killers like Demogorgon. Minimal portals throughout the first 3 gens, then at 2 gens left I select which 3 of the 4 I think I can protect and double portal each gen. I intend on early portals being sealed so that I can double portal every gen, keeping 1 portal open and 1 closed at each gen. This strategy works well even without gen kick perks as it forces any gen configuration into being a 3 gen, and with gen kick perks it plays out just like these Knight matches.
dead by genlock
Holy dam! Mad props to the streamer for staying chilled and attempting to win. I think perk reworks and meta changes would keep the game fresh if it changes throughout the months. I find this meta boring on both sides. I kinda want more meme perks or a meme meta for a bit to shake everything up. Awesome video like always Hens! Keep up the great work :D
This is the origin story of why none of these survivors played without Prove Thyself ever again lol
It's a viscous cycle. One of my friends went "Well. Guess I need to put on Prove Thyself too." And I went
"And the cycle continues. We perpetuate it. Killers run 3 or 4 slowdowns. So we run 3 or 4 Prove Thyselves. But now cause we're running 3 or 4 Prove Thyselves. Killers are gonna feel the need to being 3 or 4 Slowdowns..."
PTS is useless and overrated compared to other perks. It only saves you a few seconds.
You could just use hyperfocus and save 40 seconds on a solo gen, instead of like 7 seconds on a duo gen.
@@AveryHyena PTS is overrated compared to what, the other 10-12 niche meta perks that are viable against good players? Its still clearly ahead of dozens of other abandoned perks, doesn't sound useless or overrated at all. I feel like a lotta people downplay how valuable it is when used properly with coordination. It is one of the only perks in the game that can actually make a difference towards situations like this video because whether you admit it or not a few seconds can make a world of difference in DBD especially in sweaty lobbies and especially when you're in comms. Its not the best perk in the game by any means, but we're not gonna sit here and call it useless while hundreds of top% players run it in pubs on a daily basis and get value without issue
Of course having 2-3 people on every single gen is inefficient, but people using the perk in sub-optimal ways doesn't lessen the perk's value itself. People say the same thing about Circle of Healing and its wrong. Yes, players committing to booning too much instead of pressuring gens can hurt the team, but that doesn't mean CoH is overrated or useless. They're both clearly towards the top end of Survivor perks and everybody knows it
@@AyJayStyles Literally anything else besides perks like deja vu.
For example, resilience, hyperfocus or just a mechanics or above toolbox or any toolbox with addons is a straight upgrade to PTS. PTS only saves 6.9 seconds on a duo gen.
@@AveryHyena Prove Thyself is worse than literally every perk in the game other than ones like Deja Vu? 🤦🏻♂️
So 7 seconds of gen progress is weaker than Self Care, Breakdown, Poised, Up the Ante, Buckle up, Premonition etc? Yeah I’ve heard it all lmao
Like I said, I’m not calling it the best gen perk at all but you’re hating super hard on it
Hens gets trash-talked "that's the sportsmanship i aspire to"
he didn’t trash talk though? Theringu even said he disliked the killer not the player.
I have been saying this FOR MONTHS! Killers get way too much free pressure if they bring the right perks.
It goes both ways unforunately though. Prove, potential energy and a bnp would have prevented this. Its honestly a two way street on the broken side of things.
@@LycorisOni bnps have to show up in the blood web which is rare. Once you have a perk it's permanent
@@thegame346 Just cause its rare doesn't devalue how broken it is. That's like saying blights are fine to bring compound 33 and alch ring some games or worse iri tag to pair with alch ring and call it fine cause they are rare to use.
@@LycorisOni if bnp was the problem can you explain how come this meta did not come up earlier then when bnp was there and stronger than it is now??
@@LycorisOnicoming from a survivor main we mostly run those perks due to killers bringing in their gen perks
oh god i'd take a loooong break from dbd if i had a game like this
😭
Update: Just had a match like that 😐
Copy paste build except overcharge in place of call of brine
Deja vu about to become a meta perk 😂
Sadly the buff only lasts as long as the Generator is highlighted. Imo that is the buff it needs. Just needs to last forever.
@@nat-uraldisasterpieces8647 literally this it needs to not have a timer.
A toolbox or literally anything else is better than deja vu unless you're brand new to the game and don't know where gens spawn
@@AveryHyena I know deja vu is not a great perk, I was just joking
@@nat-uraldisasterpieces8647 Having free 5% repair speed on basically all gens you do forever is pretty stupid
This high chaotic villain energy is what I strive for in all of my multi-player videogames.
BHVR are so good at misunderstanding the message. They could watch this video 4 times in a row in perfect silence and then finally go "hmmm... nerf overcharge...?"
Skull merchant foreshadowing
Went with this build in the very beginning of my Knight journey, even made a video on it with my build varying at one point: I ran Sloppy/Lethal instead of eruption.
But, tho enjoying the Knight A LOT, I actually find myself camping/tunneling/3-genning with ANY build I run ten, twenty times more often than with any killer ever before.
He is wild
But if you play this way you are a scumbag tbh
Reasons like this are why I argue the point that regardless of how well survivors play or what they bring, 99% of the time the killer ends up dictating how everyone has to play with their unlimited use perks, map control and with strategies like camping or tunneling.
The closest thing which survivors can do (which us extremely rare) is bring 4 brand new parts and rush gens. Hardly comparable considering killers can literally do this with perks not add ons.
Meanwhile saves, sabo, taking hits etc exists.
Yes yes, only killers dictate how the game is played. Lol
I would not have been as nice as that survivor 😭 Kudos to him!!!
Truly the best game of chess I’ve ever seen
It’s weird because Call of Brine is no stronger than it was at release, but now it feels super overpowered. I think what would help immensely is adding a cool down. Not a long cooldown, but even just like a 30-40 second cooldown would be great. That way killers are incentivized to use it intelligently and not just apply it all the time whenever they want.
It synergises with the reworked perks more now. That's why.
It would be fine if Overcharge didn't get changed. I thought Call of Brine was solid when it came out because it was basically kickable Ruin with a 60 second timer. You could also tap the gen to keep it from regressing. To THINK that there's a perk that quadruples the regression of Ruin with no time limit to which it's active and you are likely to get punished by stopping the regression reflects how poor the balancing team is. If anything, Overcharge needs a cooldown.
@@APopptart I thought overcharge only increases over time to 200%? I think the current state of overcharge is fine, but it’s problematic that it and CoB stack together. You shouldn’t be able to kick a gen and have it regress at like 500%.
@@thatfishguy4991 I just looked it up. I could've sworn the digits on Overcharge said 400% at one point. Regardless, gens regressing at 200% (let alone 300%) is just hurting the game for survivors and I'd even argue that it's hurting killers. Killers these days are far less skill reliant than they used to be. Most games as survivor I play, my team loses to a killer's perks rather than their power.
@@APopptart yeah on the PTB overcharge started out at 100% and increased to 400% over time but they realized how over powered that was and nerfed it thankfully.
I had the god 3 gen setup on Haddonfield as Knight (2 strode house gens and garden gen). I was starting to get backed into a corner and decided to start playing for the gens (my build was spies, mag grit, corrupt, and dissolution). Despite the fact that I had no gen kicking perks and was running multiple off meta ones, I was able to just camp my gens with the patrol path speed+distance and blindness addons. Even with no late game slowdown I slowly choked them out and won after about 30 minutes. The knight is way too good at this. I really want knights patrol aspect of his power to be incentivized, but right now jt cant be done without first addressing 3 gens. I don’t know how the best way to approach it is, maybe if no gens have been completed for 8-10 minutes survivors get a repair boost, or maybe even see their teammates’ auras to help with solo q struggles. And for sure at least Eruption needs a nerf. I just don’t like how easy it is for knight, nurse, and blight to just hold games hostage with a tight gen spread.
To be honest if a nurse gets to the point where she needs to hold a 3 gen, I consider that a win for the survivors
When me and my squad meet this kind of killer from time to time who starts camping 3 gen right at the start we just go into hiding and wait until he starts doing his objective or until he DC's. We never lose this mental game.
That doesn’t make sense. Seems sus. Why would killer dc. If they got upset they would camp and tunnel. Also if his objectives are the 3 gen from the start. Then wtf u tahm bout ,, wait for him to do objective. Susssy.
@@mrpickles318 Killer's objective is to search survivors and kill them. Not camping gens
@@mrpickles318 if u get in that situation, then u will know y killer will dc
@@mrpickles318 because survs can camp also and refuse to do objectives and let the killer in the game for an hour
@@kristianp118 killers objective is to not let anyone escape. Do the right gens
That man has so much more patience and sportsmanship than I could even wish to have in a million years. Mad respect to him and the others.
Little did we know this was only the Knight's opening defense, we never predicted the Skull Queen's gambit :'(
Good on you for highlighting what is unhealthy for the game. Hopefully the devs will take notice.
Anyway after that Skull Merchant came out
Went through a similar thing while playing with my friend, we eventually just gave up since there was literally nothing we could possibly do about it
Sigh. Remember when the community had a meltdown over buffed Boil Over? Remember how FAST that got nerfed, because it was forcing killers to slug and bleed out the survivors and how this wasn't fun or interactive for the killer?
How the F is this any different?! So apparently, it's totally fine for 4 survivors to be bored out of their minds for an HOUR STRAIGHT, but God forbid a killer has to wait 4 minutes for a survivor to bleed out.
Let that sink in.
@@boringmonkey6958 you say that like the Killers normally want the Survivors to stay for a hour. This was just a test. No normal Killer would want to be in a game this long and most want it over as quick as possible. That's why it's not patched *yet.*
@@Theragtagna This is very true but you'd propably be surprised by how many people are...well they are not doing very well up there inside their heads, case in point too many killer mains are not normal
@@dntremad8290 as a somewhat killer main, I agree with this statement.
I'd make argument for both sides here.
- Infinite gen regression is very strong.
- Survivors being hit like 100 times and still being able to heal is also quite the same situation.
You lock the killer into 3 gen, and infinitely heal yourself on the other side of the map. Throughout the game killer wasn't allowed to leave their 3 gen otherwise they could lose the game, meanwhile survivors had infinite chances / resets for 1h.
So was the game unfair on survivors for allowing the killer to get into this situation? Was the game unfair on the killer for not allowing them to chase?
The answer is probably yes to both sides.
Tbf it would’ve been different if Hens hooked them after there was one generator left
"Hey guys, Watch me be an asshole for no reason!"
Here's an idea I heard somewhere (I think it was Scott Jund) : NO perk on either side affect gens in any way. Gens are perfect. We can negotiate the time it takes to complete one, but nothing boosts gens and nothing slows them down other than basic repair and basic kick. Every other aspect of the game is fair game.
I really hope HBVR changes something about this. With Eruption being the way it is currently, a three gen situation like this is just unwinnable sometimes.
Amazing, you can play the game *completely legit* and "hold it hostage" to the point where anti-cheat kicks in, despite no cheating occurring.
That said, the problem is that if a killer takes these gen lock perks, survivors basically *have* to take genrush perks to succeed, and yet it's also the same the other way around, a killer will struggle without them if survivors go full genrush.
We had a perk revamp so recently, it seems weird to have another one already, but it does seem like it's needed.
I mean to be fair, BHVR DID say they were going to be making these perk updates regularly... Then they did like 1 more small batch of perk changes, then they randomly butchered Blast Mine then gave it a weak compensatory buff..... And that's it.
I'm not surprised, when they said they'd be making constant perk changes more frequently, I knew they were lying... But they literally gave up like one patch later... They didn't even try 🥴
Now, if they actually, for ONCE, stuck to their word, we wouldn't be in the current situation we're in because these problematic perks would have been sorted out months ago!
Here because I've been 40+ minutes in a match with a Myers as the last survivor and I've spent 25 of those minutes in a locker. He's very adamant
Having 3 survivors distract while a 4th sneaks a gen behind would have been the play.
too obvious
Ah yes, because the killer literally wouldn't hear the gen being done.
So 1 person doing gens? That's horrendously inefficient
First of all I would like to say I’ve used this strategy a few times and it’s very frustrating that it feels like this is all knight is good for at the moment. Secondly, if most of your viewers are not subscribed that’s actually a good thing because it means UA-cam is pushing your content out so congrats! That’s how I found it btw. Third and finally, great video!
I held a similar game like this. I played as Sadako with COB, Jolt, Eruption, and Pain Res. I locked down 3 gens that were lined up back to back, and there was nothing the survivors could do. If they tapped a gen, I kicked it. If I committed to a chase, Jolt and Pain Res still covered me. It's brutal, I wonder if Potential Energy will become meta because of this
Now thatthe skull merchant is out imagine this 3gen 💀
i think overcharge not having a cool down rlly helps w gen kicking build that most ppl are using atp, & eruption being super annoying w the 20 seconds of doing nothing while you watch the gen regress
Hey hens I'm glad you made a video about this a couple days ago I was in a match where the knight had 0 kills and I was in a three gen which he protected with his life he managed to kill 2 surv and I ended up in what seems like 2 hour match . Edit:I worded it wrong but anyway the game had ended to neither us winning or him losing he refused to hook one of us and was trying to down both of us. He also had call of brine and overcharge
And killer mains will STILL complain that survivors are OP.
I mean this is a pretty specific situation. And not everyone guns for 3 gens
This genlocking "tactic" is way too effective in my opinion
Had a Deathslinger match, with CoB, Eruption and Brutal Strength. I had like 2-3 hooks by the time one gen only needed to be done, but they gave me the most disgusting 3 gen imaginable and after like 30 min of ONLY defending these 3 gens and have a hit and run playstyle (only really chasing when I knew it was safe) I actually won, although I didn't really deserved it lol
It's not like prove thyself , hyperfocus and other gen speed perks arent strong .. both side are here to do their objectives .. it's the survivors fault if they 3 gens themselves. Eruption isnt an issue , if eruption is an issue so gens speed perks from survivors are too . Dont blame the other side when they play effective .
@@thedutywarlord264 If he saw that 3 gen at the start of the match and decided he will hold it no matter what, there is almost nothing survivors can do unless they are some gen rushing swf smart enough to save toolboxes and brand new parts for last gen. It is really unhealthy, it is not like prove thyself will completely counter a three gen since you need other people on the gen with you to get speed boost and hyper focus needs lots of skill checks, without the killer coming to check on said gen.
They are still unhealthy for the game and there is nothing worse then constantly getting downs but gens are being completed almost at the same pace, think all of these perks need a rework to had a bigger requirement to activating rather then just being passive or getting a single down. They literally made pain res a better version of pop, call of brine is basically ruin + surveillance but whenever you kick a gen and overcharge is just frustration simulator (hit skill check, gen gets kicked again, get chased for 10 seconds, comeback, gen is now at 0)
@@thedutywarlord264 First of all, I didn't blame anyone, that match that I shared in my comment was a match where I was the Killer. Gen speed perks are strong, but honestly I think in a 3 gen scenario like shown in that video, that they still won't help that much.
Not saying that they need to get buffed, but being able to hold a 3 gen this disgustingly shouldn't be possible.
" The gen kick meta is unhealthy for the game "
*HARDON INTENSIFIES*
All the skull merchant mains have competition now
I respect the commitment. I had a Knight like this yesterday when I came back to the game after a short break and I just gave up, I didn't want to waste my time on something I find extremely boring and frustrating.
BHVR made an amazing job with Knight. It's the worst killer design since OG Legion, even Trickster is more interesting than the Knight. The most hilarious thing about the Knight is that he's probably even more boring to play as than he is to verse. As OG Legion you could at least run fast and interact with survivors, as Trickster you aim knives, as the Knight, you are just playing walking simulator and spamming bots. This paired with Eruption meta is just miserable...
true, the game became rubissh, they made a good one with wesker but we need to get 4-5 annoying killers like artist again
@@FailToilet Artist is nowhere near as boring as Knight
I have to agree with you. All their original killers since Clown are boring as hell but Knight takes the cake even over original Legion which I thought was impossible.
Spamming bots is the most fun part.
It is getting a hit without touching a survivor.
Ask any Nemesis player and they will easily say that zombie hits are one of the most fun parts about him,
games like this are mind numbing on either side, especially survivor though. with the main interesting part of games (for both sides) being chase, it’s extremely mind numbing to just keep starting a gen just for it to get knocked down to nothing for 30 mins straight. as a killer, it’s boring because you’re essentially waiting for the survivors to give up and say gg next and give you your kills (which often i don’t even see killers take, because they’re worried in the 30 seconds they take to down and hook someone that a gen will magically pop)
Chase is the least interesting part of this game.
It is beyond frustrating for both sides, as well as anxiety inducing.
As a survivor, I just heal people and want to work on gens at peace, away from any danger or killer. Maybe occasional unhook here and there.
As a killer, I play killers that can bypass the need of chase altogether (ambush + instadown/hit and run, etc etc).
Knight is beyond fun as well, since you don’t have to personally involve yourself in going through the pallet town.
Have been playing this game for 5 years now this way and still enjoy it.
Perks like Eruption etc are really fun, since they create interaction with killer without the need to face said killer.
Chase being placed as “the most interesting part of the game” is everything that is wrong with this game.
This is a HORROR game. Horror is about avoiding the boogeyman (or quickly dying). This is not Scooby-Doo simulator, for God’s sake
Im confused on how they all died
They should add a feature where you get 1% of permanent progress every time you do 10% of the gen or something like that.
I used to love these matches. Back when it was The Doctor that did the brutal 3-gen.
I never got frustrated with the killer though, I got frustrated with the survivors. So often they'd just give up or go hide on the other side of the map, losing all pressure, so they could heal or try and get the hatch.
Even as the killer doing the 3-gen the survivors would often appreciate the challenge. Don't recall anyone being salty about it.
Of course the game has changed since then. It's been awful for about 3 years.
You’re the only dbd UA-camr I still watch. I appreciate you hens!!
Hey, i came across your video, and i realized that the knight you played against was actually me. I just bought the knight around that time, and i was trying him. I think it was my second or third game as him. Fun game XD
Knight is honestly my favourite killer and I’ve never seen someone be this evil with him. I just like running around and bullying people with my goons
This is my biggest fear when playing DbD. My games usually last 15 min, an hour would destroy my brain.
39 minutes as Doctor was my longest game, on Lery's too. It was brine, OC, sloppy, and deadlock. I managed to hold them at 5 gens for basically the whole game, the last survivor found me and kneeled in front of me to die
I'm copying this. I'm a Doctor main
wait do all survivors die after one hour?
I'm confused too
How about if the survivors make it to the hour mark they win instead of the killer? To incentivize the killer to try and end the match instead of stall it forever. Just an idea then the survivors have a little leverage in that exact scenario.
You can then create different problem. Where survivors hide from the killer for 1 hour. Best solution is to put cap to gens regressing perks(max 2. I think could be healthy) and put cap to swf perks(1 perk per team?).
@@Tomo00 still doesnt change the fact the cob and eruption stack, chuck in deadlock/corupt and you can do something similar
@@Tomo00that’s basically what he did as killer though he literally won the game with 1 hook because he refused to play the game
That'd be better but If the game lasts 1 hour no one won
I don't you're just playing the game, I think you're purseposefully holding the game hostage and not chasing or killing survivors, I think this is as toxic as it gets, and honestly I don't care if you agree or not, recently I started playing for fun, not caring if I win or lose, but you're not even allowing them to lose, this is so frustrating
Welcome to DBD
@@anthonyjh02 i been playing dbd since it begun and been in matches like this, specially recently with the knight, don't patronize me
I love how the all the blood points are completely maxed out XD
I actually massively respect the opposing streamer, he was incredibly nice for the situation he was put in. I would have 100% given in to the frustration and said some unpleasant things
Hens, I'm the Knight that you mentioned at the beginning of the video, and I'm so sorry that I made that 3-Gen so hard to break. It was a really rough match and fortunately for y'all, the Jeff knew to keep focusing on getting rid of the Guards as soon as possible to generate more pressure on me. I actually had full intention to make the match last the whole 60, but we know what happened.
And now I feel sorry for the people you made into victims lol
But I'm glad the other streamer got a big shoutout. He's a nice guy.
Did you just admit to trying to hold people hostage for an hour to abuse an anti-cheat measure? Wow. You sweaty DbD players are shameless, aren't you?
@@impishlyit9780 When the match began, I had no intent to make it last that long. When everyone did gens fast enough, I was like, "Alright, time to make this a war of attrition."
And don't stand on your pedestal acting all high and mighty.
Lmaooo you must have a lot of free time
@@impishlyit9780 Kinda. It’s not about winning. It’s about making survivors dc as I hate them.
OMG I loved watched this so much, I love see them suffering, and by the end they all just died, the disappointment in his voice, I LOVED IT! 😂 😂 😂 😂
Playing as the Knight for a bit, I tried different perks and such to see what his strengths were.
His chase is so weak that I naturally leaned towards a more defensive playstyle but since his guards stop if a survivor is rescuing, they're basically useless for GUARDING anything but the objective.
So naturally, I started to exactly go with this playstyle because of how he can occupy two objectives at the same time.
It's incredibly oppressive, nearly impossible to beat with the right setup.
Uncoordinated survivors don't have a chance as long as his regression is faster than their progression, honestly.
Streamer was salty 😂😂 that was crazy game to watch hahaha🎉 congratulations on that crazy lockdown
every time I think about coming back to this game, I watch a video like this and decide to maybe just wait a few more months
The best perks for 3 gens:
Vigil, Sprint Burst, Potential Energy, Built To Last
Sprint Burst, Potential Energy, Built To last, Boon Circle Of Healing
Sprint Burst, Potential energy, Built To Last, Prove thy self
Sprint Burst, Potential Energy, Built to last, Fogwise
Yeah thanks for your video man, now people just playing like it with knight, they don't even play any other generator they camp 3 from the start and spam guards, really nice video, you make the game better for sure