Unfiltered I Who is South Africa's first nation?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2023
- As South Africa marks Heritage Month, the plight of the Khoi-San community and other marginalized groups remains a cause for concern. From allegations of Discrimination, inadequate delivery of services, and landlessness, these communities seem to be at the receiving end of the country's myriad of challenges. This is despite efforts by the government and relevant departments to address these challenges. Tonight we ask, Who Is South Africa's First Nation? To help us unpack the topic I'm joined in Studio by Kgosi Thabo Seatlholo who is the Chairperson of the National House of Traditional and Khoi-San Leaders, as well as Khwe/Xam Activist Mr Neville Felix. Joining me virtually is the Chairperson of the National Khoi-San Council, Mr Cecil le Fleur.
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They have European names, surnames, speak a European creole language, and more culturally European. But want to claim to be KhoiSan. Please just stop this nonsense of Hijacking other peoples ancestry. There are plenty 100% Khoe/San people, that speak their languages like Khoekhoegwab, Ju'haiso etc and have their names, surnames and culture. So I don't why people are defaulting to these mulatto's to speak on their behalf.
The KHOI clans are today all classified as coloured . They are rightfully now reclaiming their inheritance as the FIRST NATION !
Let's hope the Bantu invaders can allow others of this soil to reclaim their inheritance .
By that racist logic, black Americans speak English language, have English names, practice white culture. You say they're not African at all?
Funny they denying Coloureds who are Koisan but prefer foreigners from other country's in2 RSA. It seems they are playing the race colour cards.
So Blacks married to whites hav coloured children nd some of these children including black children born in Western worlds with only speak English not African languages what do u say to that seems U playing race card
@@cecildennis-o9lAm fr Namibia n my mum is khoi fr Namibia n she’s blk.Coloured ppl cant claim any land in Africa,they are not indigenous Africans,they are all mixed with Europeans n Asian.D original indigenous Africans are with 100% African Dna are Nilotes Khoisan,Bantus,pygmies n Niger Congo blk ppl.Go to UA-cam n watch your Coloured ppl Dna is not more than 10 to 22% Bantus n Khoi DNA.We hv Khoisans in. Namibia,Angola,Botswana n Zimbabwe n they are all blks,So tell me the difference Btw the Khoisan in those places n the ones in South Africa
And no, the khoisan were not classified as coloured. They were classified as Africans/Natives/Blacks/Cape Blacks
The KHOI clans adopted the racial classification of coloured . Go do your homework my friend, and stop commenting as if you know all !!!!
@@cecildennis-o9l no thats inaccurate
@@MfanafuthiModupe elaborate
Thats a big fat lie they called us coloured to take away our rights
Definitely coloureds due to their integration with Bantus and Colonization
There are coloured people with khoi roots the very same way there are many black people with them. But most coloured people from the cape came from ASIA (MALAY & INDO). This African division is well funded by someone.
When you say that their ancestry is mostly Malay / Indonesian, what evidence or data is the basis of your claim? I have been to the Coloured neighbourhoods in Cape Town and I can clearly see that they have the Khoisan features. What you are correct about in my view: many Black South Africans have Khoisan ancestry just like so-called "Coloureds". I would even say that the Khoisan element is more prominent in some local Xhosa and Tswana-Sotho groups and clans than among Cape Coloureds. There are some groups falling under the Xhosa identity, which actually almost look like pure Khoisan. They probably have more Khoisan ancestry, than Nguni, but due to cultural admixture and assimilating into the wider Xhosa nation have taken on Xhosa identity. That are the complexities of identity which many simple-minded people fail to grasp.
false.. in cape town and jhb there is the least khoi san but the majority of coloureds that u will find in paarl, ceres, union dale, george, knysna, etc are khoisan.. the majority of coloureds are linked to the khoisan .. some are still 100 % khoi khoi or san.. its a miracle that there are so many pure bloods but the identity have been stripped .
The Aboriginals were not part of their CODESSA. I have a feeling that this ongoing humiliation gonna backfire in somebodies face. Keeping the Aboriginals at bay while looting their land...watch out for the repercussions.
The KhoiSan People are right infront of national keypoint the Union Building for recognition as First Nation, their language to be official, land to be returned, restoring of identity by removal of coloured word yet the government has ignored them for almost five years...we should hear what they say about the matter.
Just because you coloured does not make you Khoisan. Stop spreading nonsense. 100% pure Khoe people still exist, stop acting like they don't and stop hijacking their identity.
@@liveinwisdom3610 Khoisan is a Germany man term. If u don't know, listen first.
@@liveinwisdom3610large numbers of coloured people are NAMA , GRIQUA , KORANA etc. These are first nation people and deserve to be affirmed and recognised . It's time they claimed their rightful inheritance in their indigenous homeland. The black Bantu Nguni seem to feel threatened by the awakening of the true heirs and custodians of SA !!!
The KHOI and SAN are the only indigenous people of SA . When the Bantu arrived here they massacred whole clans of Khoi and San . They would kill all the men , rape the women and forcefully adopt both women and children into their tribes . They have always abused the brown people ! 😢
I'm not surprised , the Bantu have abused the indigenous first nation people from the start . The greatest curse on this land was the Bantu expansion into SA .
What makes someone coloured as opposed to indigenous in SA? Most black and coloured South Africans can probably claim indigenous ancestors. When language is lost and cultural practices fade away, what differentiates communities?
I like your thinking sir, we argue and go in circles over matters which if seriously unpacked, translate to our own insecurities about who we are as human beings. So, if we leave all this non-sensical talk about who owns the land rightfully [we talk in the past, a past which cannot be changed], and we concentrate on the today reality, then perhaps we may stand a chance to look around the room and recognise that there is one commonality and that is, we are human. Then also, may we recognise that we need to look around us, at the composite mess we need to clean up and look ahead, together, without prejudice nor compromise, because its not about us who are here today, but about those who come after us.
What differentiates us?? The fact that there's legislation that favours a certain group at the cost of another! The playing field is nor level,that's what!
It matters who owns the land... whomever controls the land in Africa technically controls the world, considering everything the world needs as far as resources are in Africa. Why do you think Europeans are about to start WW3? That's right, they want to keep Africa's resources to continue to enrich themselves and their citizens.
@@FBA.TonYahu6704 you sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Much more important than natural resources are human resources, something we sorely lack in Africa
@@masambeni ok, you must be an European. don't be so naive! We're not living in a fairytale world. You know your people and their atrocities around the world.
Congratulation Sizwee!!!
these people are delusional, they see khwe people when they look in the mirror?
😂 even their hair is refusing.
By your logic: a sheep looks like a goat, is it a goat? A baboon looks like a gorilla, is it a gorilla?
These blacks are dillusional they see Native Africans when they see in the mirror hahaha they find Brown Africans here in Southern Africa and they believe they(Bantus) are the only Africans in a Continent with the most diverse people in the world speak about Delusion
@@kemmoneRnot our fault our hair is nicer than yours not our fault that other nationalities rather mix with our people than yours hence the hair don't blame us for being us 😂 u won't be us even if u call urself the native and call urself khwe hahaha u will never be us
The tswana people occupied the northern cape in a desert that was once called Kgalagadi, now nown as "Kalahari". There are a lot of similarities between tswanas and the koi san
Name 10 similarities re utlwe
I agree with you 💯
Tswana people have high admixture with Khoisan people. They are in fact Bantu-Khoisan hybrid in genetic composition and culture.
@@esahm373 yeah that's true for most Bantu ppl in South Africa though.
@@bafanamahlatse1923 Not really. It's most prominent in the groups I mentioned due to historical reasons. Other groups had little to no interaction with Khoisan people. In Xhosa and Sotho / Tswana people on the other hand the Khoisan element is very prominent.
I must agree with the conversation that has ensued in this interview. What do I agree with? The dream that was painted for us [South Africa] in 1994, is a dream that has not translated into the dream nor it attachments in the legislative framework.
South Africa as a "young man or woman" of 25 years, is in the present day rightfully positioned to voice the reality of how differently that dream has been interpreted and translated. It is time, whether we like it or not, that South Africa will have to decide to come together or depart from each other (how that pans out out we do not know) - to come to a hard realisation that 2024-2027 will be a time for all the nations within South Africa to sit down, with calm mind and spirit, to paint the true democracy vision for South Africa.
May I add, that all who is of Africa's soil - we as Africans never had boundaries - should be the owners and leaders in creating that the 2028 Shared South African Vision, with a new and never practiced nor implemented before, 2123 Plan for South Africa. Yes a 100-Year-South-Africa-Strategy. We are finally awake!
I agree with Mr Felix
It is The San and Khoisan who should be recognizing other groups who migrated here. What a disgrace that they were sidelined in 1994.
What nonsense? What resistance did they offer in Mahikeng? In Natal? In Lesotho? If not? Why not? They didn't live there, they were in the south western part
The KHOI and SAN were massacred during the Bantu expansion period into SA . They forced the Bushmen/San into barren , undesirable regions and caves . The KHOI lost herds of cattle and flocks and were forced to migrate southwesterly away from their previous grazing areas and land . The Bantu have a lot to answer for .
@@Scar_7.62exactly
LOL...colonial backed project! I find it highly improbable that they occupied Southern Africa alone for centuries while the rest of us were crammed in the Congo...LOL
Twanas and Xhosas have the Khoi DNA and im sure some of the other tribes here and there. Also search here Cape coloured ancestry DNA results and you will see they tend to have the KHOI DNA the least inn the results 4% to 12% while bantu is the same and others higher. So why claim the 4% it just shows its a hustle
You might find it improbable but it true . The KHOI and SAN were here centuries before the black Bantu Nguni tribes migrated from central Africa . All the evidence has been presented to the UN . They affirmed the facts and granted the KHOI and SAN , First Nation status under the rights of indigenous people . The direct descendants of the KHOI clans for example the NAMA , GRIQUA , KORANA etc are all officially classified as coloured since the apartheid times , but these KHOI peoples are now beginning to reclaim their rightful identity and heritage .
It's a simple google search away , you are deluded to think black people are the first race in South Africa they are migrants just like white people lol facts not your feelings , we all africans stop thinking you skin colour defines your africaness lol
Xhosa and the Tswana also Zulus if im not mistaken have the DNA. Let them do ancestry DNA before we get hustled by Coloureds . Weirdly enough Cape Coloureds who have done the DNA tend to have 4% to 12% so why claim that not the higher percentages. So disapointed at SABC in pushing the propaganda
Mostly Tswanas, Sesotho and Xhosa people. In Zulus the Khoisan element is not very common.
@@esahm373 Even with Coloureds its mostly those outside Cape Town not Cape Coloureds strangely enough they're the ones pushing this B.S LOL. Also they'll never ans that part were also certain tribes share the dna smh
The Bantu massacred whole clans of Khoi and San during their expansion migrations period into SA . They would kill all the men ,rape the women and then forcefully adopt both women and children into their tribes . That's where the DNA came from .
@@esahm373now the Bantus claiming to be the real KhoiSan eventho in 1950 population registration act 30 the KhoiSan were clearly classified as coloureds not the Xhosa or Tswanas hahahaha i love how these blacks use the small minority of coloureds with Asian dna and lump all of us Africans in there hahahahaha no wonder we can't take these makwerekweres serious ayyy the same bantus who benefit from BBBEE and Affirmative Action bcoz they are black bantu not khwe are now claiming to be Khwe hahahahahahahaha make it make sense
Colonization of our continent caused all this division. Same thing they did in Rwanda, divided them and told that you are better than the others, that's what caused the genocide in Rwanda, so everywhere they went they made sure that people are divided in order for them to control well. And many who called themselves Khoisan today are not khoisan. The really Khoisan are Black light skinned from their hair you can tell, but colonizers created all this confusion and differences. This shouldn't be a problem to be talking about. So shameful
You are confused 🤔
@francoiswilliams everywhere you go you don't have to think twice when you see a Khoisan, their eyes, hair the same everywhere you see them and the really Khoisans know who they are. These we see on TV social media, are man made Khoisans to cause problems and create confusions, that's what they are paid for. And things like these you only see it in South Africa and it's for a reason.
@@francoiswilliams There is no division between "Black" and "Khoisan", since Khoisan are a Black African ethnicity just like AmaXhosa or Tswana people. The National Party regime deliberately created confusion to support their white Afrikaner claim on South Africa, by saying that 99% of Black South Africans were not indigenous to South Africa, arguing that only the tiny minority of pure Khoisan were indigenous. This false narrative has been debunked multiple times by credible researchers and it has been clearly shown why this narrative was deliberately propagated by the likes of Verwoerd in an attempt to legitimise their illegit policies.
14:46 How utterly disrespectful of the ill-equpped presenter to interrupt a leader in midstream while completing his introductory statement. He ceases to shock me😢
He’s doing his job boi
It's boring we heard that over and over ,need to move to address the real issue , caucasians are the last people and control the world ,the so called first nation are still in first stage of human development ,hunter and gather.
Read books from Vasco DA Gama, listen what he is saying about people he found here in 1400.
Secondly, look at the texture of the hair and differentiate between Cape coloureds and the Khoisan. Those are mixed blood of Africans and Dutch when the Jan Van Riebeek team arrived here. So don't listen to chance takers with no lineage
these are malasians an ppl from madagascar mixed with other ppl of angola an namibia this brzilian look alike cannot be the face of an indiginous african while we still here
Others were raped by the colonizers they are nit all coming from Malaysia .
We seem to forget that the Xhosa and the Tswana have a Khoi DNA from both parents . Did my DNA 🧬 👍🏿 so they can’t claim that because their blood is also mixed with white .
This !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr.Mandela himself had SAn heritage . Some people have Xhosa and Tswana lineage so many of them will have San or Khoi ancestry.
@@dinaledi4085 I wouldn't even give the colonialists backing this caper the satisfaction of having me defend my own heritage from a blatant whitewash, and I am half Khoi.
@@dinaledi4085 Facts . I did mine and I have more of the Khoi which was very surprising. I’m Xhosa .
How does this address the land issue in South Africa? Tswanas have Botswana, Khoi are South African... very stupid statement
@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lbwho are khoi people
Ninja I will never take any person claiming to be Khoi when they don't speak the language and pretend that they are not black.
That's because you don't know the history of the KHOI . Their clans are the NAMA , GRIQUA , KORANA etc. They are all officially classified as coloured by previous govt legislation . So many are unaware of their existence, when in fact they are the First Nation of SA .
@@cecildennis-o9l All those names dont exist. They were nick names from white people
You also can't speak any Khoi language, therefore you can also not be taken seriously.
Ninja I will never take any person serious claiming to know about us Khwe... The Khwe were hunted and killed for speaking our languages something u privileged bantus never had to worry about... My Ninja i will never allow a privileged Bantu to tell me who i am or not especially if that nai don't even know the history of us Khwe mense rather talk about your own people like the Congolese and Zimbabweans... Who are you as if ur opinion matters 😂😂😂 you're a nobody to us just another one who crossed the Limpopo river why u even talking? Ai tog we don't need to explain ourselves to u, u must explain urself to us coz clearly the Black child is clueless to who he is he only knows what the Black ANC politician told him
The ancient Egyptians referred to the KhoeKhoe as gods on their maps. Their maps were so descriptive and accurate that only after the use of satellites could modern maps meet their accuracy. I recommend Cheik Diope's book, Civilization or Barbarism as a useful reference.
Mxm source is trust me bro LOL.
We're can I find this map
put the link of this map please
Cheikh ante Diop never called the Khoi gods
That would have been how many years before the Bantu invaded SA ?
🇿🇦 ANC.must go already,now they need the coloured vote they want to do this"carrot in front of the donkey" trick🇿🇦
Thanks Sizwe. The Constitution needs to be changed, South Africa does not belong to all who live on it, secondly the word coloured needs to be scrapped and the 'coloured/KhoiSan/ Bantu need to understand or get to that place of enbracing each other and know we are one. Let's wise up and know politics/colonialism will always have the upoerhand cause of our division. They'll keep us running around in circles and nothing will ever be resolved. As people of the soil, having our ancestors inter-marrying how are we different? We have the same DNA. We still playing into their hands of divide and conquer. Sonini Nanini heal our people and our land.
I think we need to stop sponsoring and promoting the use of Afrikaans, which is one of the main factors that seperates "Coloureds" identity from their fellow Black South Africans.
That aside, Afrikaans is neither a relevant, nor a useful language if we look at the bigger picture. Even Dutch people find it funny that we still use an outdated, agrarian 18th century dialect of their language in South Africa to this day.
It's not like English, which while admittedly arriving on our shores in the context of Colonialism, at least has international significance and is useful from a pragmatic perspective as a lingua france of all South Africans and as a language of trade, technology, academia and international relations!
Mxm this coloured guy is mad van rebeek grandson
Your racist nature will drive you mad
The bushmen "inhabited" (I put it in inverted commas because they were not sedentary) SA first. The Bantus arrived in beginning in AD 300 (1, 700 years ago). The Europeans first arrived in the late 15th century (over under 550 years ago).
The difference between the arrival of whites and Bantus is that the Bantu migrations are not considered to be "conquests" in anthropology. In fact, Bantus have khoisan ancestry/admixture ranging from 20% to 40% (peaks in Xhosas), and there was also considerable cultural mingling between the two macro-groups.
As for Coloureds, it's so embarassing seeing them claim Khoisan ancestry considering most of their ancestry is European and Asian. In fact, Xhosas have more khoisan ancestry than coloureds. LOL.
That's all there is to this matter.
That's the problem. "Bantu" who came with Bantu. I am saying. Go to Botswana Kalahari n start making your own research on how long they been there. Who were they with. How do they relate with all of them. Then u will learn the true history. U gonna trace them very easily. We know them as I m motswana. Not history written by those who established the English shaka course they can publish
Even the hair texture of Black South African is not soft like that of West Africans. Its coarse like that of the Kgwekgwe . I dont wanna go to the language because half of the languages has the clicks eg Sesotho ,Isizulu,Isixhosa,Isiswati and Isindebele are clicking languages . I dont wanna talk about the phenotypes and physique. Look at the backside of most black South African women ...they are of Sarah Bartman.
From Botswana, thank you. You know history.
100%
What evidence do you have that bantu-speaking people arrived in AD300? Bantu is a language group not a people. Same way that Indo-European is a language group not a people. So called "bantu people" have always been here, its just that it was beneficial, to speak a bantu-related language, and customs, for trade. Same way that most of the world speak a Latin rooted language, and practice European customs, because its beneficial for trade and exchange of information. Was there a Latin migration? Do all of us that speak a latin rooted language, come from Italy? You guys honestly sound so stupid.
how do you determine who is khoe or san?
That guy speaking is an afrikaaner and the DNA can easily prove that.
Well ofcoz just like me and the rest of the Brown people in this country we are all Afrikaaners so what's your point?
This @nnmzuku.401 guy is a makwerekwere and the DNA can easily prove that... We just can't send u back accross the Limpopo river but don't worry we will deport u immigrants
I’m Zulu and did a DNA and found that I had 10% Khoi dna. Can I claim to be part of the First Nation?
I would say no since you probably don't identify as such, probably don't speak the language and don't practice the culture. However, if you did, you probably could. At the very least you can claim indiginous ancestry. Just my two cents worth.
@@masambeni Do Coloureds speak KHOI language? Do they have more KHOI features than Xhosas and Batswana?
@@Qotha depends which colourdes and which Khoi language. There are Nama speaking people in SA but very few
@@masambeni which Coloureds speak nama language? And what about their European ancestory?
@@Qotha not all colourdes have European ancestry. I know some Nama speakers who look like they are fully indiginous but you never know.
they may be first to meet the whites but not the first to be in south Afrika. they have been moving with n along us (Batswana). now those who go certain agenda want to create conflict among us. even today u can go to botswana taung n so fouth. we like them our land n theirs n cows were taken by the fathers of both ff plus n DA. they r our brothers even though some , master made them look at us other way
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Don't engage colonialist backed projects like this.
You are wrong my friend. The San were here long before anyone else.
@@masambeni talk facts. They been with batswana n they been moving le batswana.u can start at botswana 2day. Trace them again 4rm mafikeng rusty taung before cape. Do u know kaditshwene? Don't u use false Master history. Where did they start? Go check
@@stv0112 I can assure you rra that I know Botswana and Batswana very well indeed. You don't need to argue with me, just Google it and you will learn the true history of indiginous San and Batswana who came thousands of years after San from Central Africa. Not difficult to do the research.
Wow so that means South Africa belongs to the Khoi nation as a whole country 🤔 I've learnt something new today
Mxm awu-dom just like that you believe this nonsense. Twanas, Xhosas and bit of Zulus have the bloody Khoi DNA so dont be so gullible.
Propaganda
No remember before 1652 there was no country colled South Africa.
They're drunk!
The truth is finally coming out . The black Bantu Nguni people are all migrant settlers from central Africa and none of them are indigenous to SA . The UN affirmed these facts and truths , granting the KHOI and SAN First Nation status under the rights of indigenous people . The majority of the KHOI and SAN are today classified as coloured, since the apartheid times. But they are beginning to reclaim their rightful identity and heritage as first nation people .
Le Fleur sounds mixed French descendent?
If you say you are first nation where do you come from? If u can enlighten us somebody
The KHOI and SAN are the first nation of SA ! They were here a long long time before the black Bantu Nguni people arrived . Their case as the only indigenous people has been long proven and even endorsed by the UN . All the evidence provided , lead to the United nations granting them FIRST NATION STATUS under the rights of indigenous people .
@@cecildennis-o9l you heard that from a foreigner (whiteman)
@@sikholamla8299 the truth is the truth , it's got nothing to do with the white man .
So stop with this pan African imperialists lies . Some people are being fooled through ignorance , others just want to rewrite history to suit themselves .
@@sikholamla8299with that said Shaka Zulu never createe the Zulu empire and there's no such thing as Zulus or Xhosas you probably heard all of these lies from a foreigner probably a white man
@@sikholamla8299what ever the privileged Bantu don't like he will just say u got that from the white man hahahahaha where was the white men when the Zulus kilked and expelled the Sonquas from the region today called Zululand? We knoe about this thanks to the rock arts that was done by the Bushmen when the Zulus entered that part of the country... Whice white man drew on the cave walls at that time 😂 please I'd like to know this white man... Plus there was no such thing as the Zulus defeating the British lol u probably heard that lie from a Black man 😂 there's no such thing as Mandela going to prison for 27years 😂 u probably heard that from a Black man who was told by his Baas what to say
Coloured are Khoisan now or I'm missing the point?😮
hahahaha. i am not laughing. i used to get that a lot in cape Town
KHOI and SAN were officially classified as coloured by the apartheid regime . Many make the mistake of thinking all KHOI and SAN live in the Kalahari desert and wear skins ! No no no , they are normal folk living in cities all over the country.
@@cecildennis-o9l As you can tell we don't go by what the aparteid regime said. They were obviously trying to separate the KhoiSan from their brethren and make them a different people. We all know they are African and their black, get out of here with what they aparteid regime said, we don't care
Bantus are native here?? What bs is this hahahaha they found the Brown people here and classified us as coloured
1950 population registration act 30 learn about that law before u wana talk about us Khwe decendants
What happened with our Coloured Communal Trust Land... Zulus, Xhosas, Sothos, Tswanas, Pedis, Vendas, Ndebele's...have and hold on their Communal Trust Land .but our Communal Trust Land is bn acopy and taken away from us ..Look in the Ncape...Upington, Keimoes, Kakamas Kâi-garib, Municipal Authorities sell our Land to White Farmers illegally and allowed other people coming from other place/provinces to occupy our Land without following due processes....
Where is that land?
into nje ethi Nguni SA is their home. they keep throwing this question to slowly shift focus and blame on those who came in ships and now claim they are african and only when it suits them. they have done their propaganda well on the policies, well in religion now they want every african child to believe things that dont exist. this is ngunis land the whole southern sphere.
We have different tribes in Southern Africa so where do you get that information that Southern Africa belong to the ngunis ?
Southern Africa does not belong to "only Ngunis"...
Natal is nguni land. Natal. Don't confuse SA with Natal
not just Ngunis
I hope you included Bulawayo Which was believed to be Shakas capital
It is the firs nation 2 history before the bushmen EVEN🎉
How far is the Kalalari from the Cape???? Found out who lived in the Kalalari. Before you can make the Koi San the first citizens of the Cape.
You don't know your history pal . The KHOI were the first inhabitants of the Cape . Their clans are today spread all over the country . These KHOI clans are the NAMA , GRIQUA , KORANA etc , they are all officially classified as coloured but are actually the true aboriginal indigenous First Nation.
This is crazy black people own this land
Black man own nothing but what he paid for . All the black Bantu Nguni people are foreign migrant settlers from central Africa . When they crossed the Limpopo river they found the KHOI and SAN here already over a thousand years already . The black peoples indigenous homeland is north of the Limpopo river all the way up into the Congo .
@@cecildennis-o9l coloureds y'all are last borns in this country baby's
@@busanikhanyi the majority of coloureds are Khoi-San . You may not realise it , but the Khoi and San were reclassified as coloured in the 1950s by the apartheid government . They are the earliest , the first , the original the most ancient people of SA , thus making them the sole indigenous and FIRST NATION . The first Bantu to cross the Limpopo river were the Xhosa . They were named Xhosa by the Khoi . We are the ancestral grandfather's , the custodians and rightful heirs . Show due respect to your elders .
@@busanikhanyifirst borns boi we were here before u black setllers and white settlers arrived... We werent created in 1950 😂😂😂 it was the coloured classification tha was createe in 1950 that classified all khwe and san and asians as coloureds so actually our classification is the late comer but us as a people oh we older than u bantus and europeans hahaha i know it's difficult for that ignorant head of yours to accept but nobody wana hear the truth especially uneducated blacks like urself
DNA can be used to determine ones ethnicity.
When did the Coloured/Khoi-San/Khwe-!Xam people gave any foreign government legislation(constitution, ruling, regulation, acts, bills, statutes, ordinances) to govern them and their lands. All Nguni, Banthu, Asian, European descendands are suppose to ask them for recognition and not the other way around. The justice system is an illegal entity operating in favour of an illegal government because its not created by the Aboriginal people of South Africa. The fact that you have a interview with 2/two of them means they're alive.
True
They are two separate tribes, not hyphenated nor conjoined. What we see here is what is always displayed by South African Coloureds, which is a sense of entitlement because of light skin. There is no real way any person with European ancestry should be talking about being Indigenous to Africa. This shows several things. One of those things being they don't know what Indigenous means. Please stop trying to hijack Black Indigenous groups. These people do still exist, they speak their language, practice their culture, and most are not mixed race people.
🤣🤣🤣continue be sick and die until stop lying how can be coloured people be native but they exited when the european settlers arrived and rape innocent africans. that is why coloured are fully in prisoner are inherited from their father side(white settlers) who were raping innocent people. pls go and claim land europe you also contain white DNA why you dont clain UK, IRELAN AND FRENCH?
SMWX❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ INDIAN'S, COLOURED SUFFERED THE SAME AS BLACK COMMUNITY WE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER
Way overdue. Better late than never.
Mr. le Fleur unfortunately is a Caucusoid. His forefather is a French man. We know the surnames of Coloured people who have Khwe forefathers, these were Khwe surnames that were translated into Afrikaans. So its not difficult to discern who is Khwe and who is not in the kullid community. Genealogy proves all.
First nation? How do we translate first contact with the Europeans to 'first nation'?
The fact that the KHOI and SAN are the only indigenous people of SA has been proven and we'll documented. The United Nations affirmed and endorsed these facts , granting the KHOI and SAN, First Nation status under the rights of indigenous people . The clans of the KHOI , such as the NAMA , GRIQUA , KORANA etc are all today classified as coloured but are actually the first nation people of SA . None of the black Bantu Nguni people are indigenous to SA. Their indigenous homeland is north of the Limpopo river all the way up into central Africa .
@@cecildennis-o9l
interesting hei.. proven by who? documented by who?
The gap between the adventures of Vasco da Gama and those of Van Riebeeck is more than 150years.. to make matters even more interesting, the documented history you are referring starts from the days of these explorers..
without proven timelines, the facts you are alleging can only be referred to as fiction, something we know that Europeans excel in creating.
@@kgaugelomojela4288 go ask your elders where they came from , don't believe me . Go do your research.
My point exactly, its first contact not 1st nation. @7up297 the problem with your Khoisan claim is you base it on Books written by white people not your oral tradition as what you claim "Khoisan". They wrote history that favoured their right wing narrative. They also believe there was no one in South Africa when they came, so even the Khoisan and other Black Nations came after the white people. Its their books not me...
The First Nation b.s. is nothing more than attempt at White Supremacy by Coloureds. I just do not see how they say this stuff about being Indigenous to Africa but be visibly mixed with majority white and Asian heritage. I wonder if they really understand what Indigenous means.
Khoison people of cape first I am in my seventies I went to history was knowing khoi and ushashka
Your surname is pillay, go claim to be first nation in asia not here.
I thought Nigerians and Somalis are South Africa's first nation.
These people are crazy to claim the whole SA. Let them go claim Namibia
Joh and they say black people cannot be racist. Now you want to chase people from their land like the first white men did? Ja neh south africa has come a long way
Just a colonialist backed project.
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 true
And Botswana
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105but my black brothers came from congo. So we are all invaders
Without a detailed archeological history of southern Africa going back to the first century and before we won't know who's who in the zoo. Every country has documented evidence of the origins of its indigenous inhabitants supplemented with archeological findings.
The Zooo... 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂Says the caveman😂😂😂 the caucacity 🤣🤣🤣 Detailed by who??? Supreme Being dont need to do that... the Original meaning is what p!ssed u off🤣🤣🤣
If you ask me a German guy:
(x = khoi/san
1 = bantu
2 = european)
khoi/san(x) are native of SA... Most Xhosa(x/1) and most coloreds(x/2) are descendants of khoi/san(x) and bantu(1) or/and European(2)...
Note: The Coloured that are not directly descendants of khoi/san, have pure Bantu, European and Asian ancestry...
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Khoi/San people of Afrika seem to have mutated to European features, how credible is that. ..?
Just like blacks in Europe and America, so what?
@@mapoosesafaree3039It's not true, no mutation took place, We are 2 different species one is inherently insecure, genetically soulless and Evil whilst the other is tolerant and forgiving,,,We are at a point where one of the two species has to be extinct for its rebellious and destructive nature....
Why is life so hard?
People
Nobody can believe a word Ramaphosa says.
So the guy in the Cabin is talking about they dont have villages any more to practice their culture...Khoi-san were Nomads mos. They moved around and didnt have a stable home.
Are Khoisan coloureds? Yes or no
*No.*
The label itself is a 20th century fiction created by German zoologist Leonhard Schulze.
Khwe on the other hand were pastoralists. A moribund way of life in SA. (ancestors of modern houses like Tswana, Xhosa, etc that became defined as nations in which countless clans were banded together during the colonial era.
*Now, are some people in the Coloured classification descendants of these people, and not just of Asians, East & West Africa, Madagascan Malagasy labourers?*
*Absolutely. Many in fact.*
@@agrid2608
The Khoisan look coloured though, I just wander how, WHY.
Is this version correct though?
In my personal experiences with the coloured communities...we accept they are a product of mixed races right? I want to elaborate something.. disclaimer 🙏please excuse my strong prejudices to be used for lack of better framing of words.. you'll help me with the best vocabularies
You have a white race mixing with Arabs, giving you the Islam coloureds (dangerous ones in Cape flats)
You have a white race mixing with coloured themselves, giving you a white version coloured (premium ones, the banana)
You have black race mixing with coloured, giving you black conscious coloured ( I'm black not coloured)
You have coloured race marrying each other, giving you a community (feel sidelined).
Are coloureds in the world going to end racism? Is it the end of black and white race
@@Demru_1 I see. When you ask "are the Khoisan Coloured" what you're really asking is "are the Asian-Afri-Caucasians (Coloured) activists calling themselves "khoisan" Coloured".
The Coloureds are Coloured, yes.
The historic Cape Khwe pastoralist centuries ago, who would be the only ones the term first nation would even be relevant to, were definitely not.
Firstly it's actually two tribes, the KHOI and the SAN . The KHOI clans, such as the NAMA , GRIQUA , KORANA etc have been reclassified as coloured by past govt regimes . So YES the KHOI and SAN are coloured.
Nama, Griqua, etc are mixed VOC colonial products not aboriginal tribes.
This is where the ahistoricity comes in. It's inorganic.
Like already stated, the pastoralist were also partial ancestors of mixed race people.
But pretending an organic native evolution, like the Xhosa or Tswana, is untrue.
There's a reason why the moribund LATIN of khoe'gowab languages (ancestral to modern click languages that millions speak and still spoken by 1%) is classified as black.
And there's a reason why an in-colony Asian-Afri-Caucasian population doesn't exist in an organic native culture.
Xhosas meanwhile practise millennia old Khwe culture like ingqhiti. Organically.
The Khoisan.
It's so funny how people who you can clearly see are not Khoi nor San can speak so much on behalf of that nation.. the body mass, the hair texture and even names and surnames can plainly dispute the ancestry of those invited to this interview as being true Khoi and San descendants. Studying and reading and understanding history and googling does not qualify one to be of a certain ethnic group. Yes the government has failed the Khoi and the San people just as much as it has failed the so called Nguni people. A few african people that are living a soft life in this country must never be mistaken with the 80% of our people that are living the life of poverty and inequality. Bantu and and Khoekhoe people in this country are forgotten... a select few Bantu and coloured people and a vast majority of Europeans now are living a life of kings and queens in south africa. There is no such thing as a first nation, there are africans, how does one say Khoisan are the first nation when they are found all over africa. Bantu and Khoekhoe people lived together for centuries all over africa.. Yes the Khoi were perhaps the first to encounter Jan Van Riebeeck bcz they were in what is now called the Cape but that doesn't mean that the other parts of the country were empty bcz they were not as they had the Bantu people as well as the Khoi people too.
Some foolishly imagine that all KHOI and SAN people live in grass huts and wear shins . No no no , they are predominantly now classified as coloured , and live normal lives , unnoticed by all as true indigenous first nation people.
Though many are mixed with other races their lineage is predominantly KHOI or San . They are the true custodians of this land
@@cecildennis-o9lNot at all, you know better than to spread these untrue statements. Coloureds are not Khoi or San people. They may have ancestry but they are not the khoi or San people. The whitness within you just can't help but to try to erase Black history. You really should go get help with that because you legitimately have deeply rooted self hate for what little Blackness you may have inside. It's one thing to say you are related but to continue to try to appropriate and hijack two Black Indigenous groups as mixed race people when these people existed before there was ever a White or Asian person is definitely deep rooted hatred of Black people learned from your white ancestors.
The devil is playing you tricks, devil is a lier
Is there a white leader that we should recognise?
Without the land and without resources we are nothing not only South Africa but but the whole of Africa and we don't have our humanity right and money doesn't solve our problems oh give back our right and the president doing nothing to our land question
Don't be lazy. Nothing for Mahala.
When I did my DNA test is showed that my ancestors originated from Africa, I'm white... so can I claim Africa now?
Mixed people of Malaysia are indigenous to SA? This is news to me! :(
I like you Sizwe, but this was terrible interview.
You should have asked what makes a Khoi San person. What's the qualification, genetically?
Do people who identify as Xhoss, Zulu, Tswana qualify to be Khoisan, or it a colloquial term for mixed peoples, most of whom don't speak African languages, don't have African names, and don't identify as black?
Are Malaysian Coloureds also part of this mix of the indigenous SA folk? What's the agenda? Is it financial or historical?
And where does this put the rest of us... who re priudly African, black, Xhosa who , like Nelson Mandela, have such blood flowing down our veins?
Please don't be divisive and extremist in terms of bloodline. I agree with some of your points: Xhosa and Tswana-Sotho definitely have significant admixture with Khoisan. I would say that what qualifies someone as Khoisan though is adherence to traditional Khoisan practices or a descendance that mainly traces back to Khoisan. In that regard most Xhosa and Sotho-Tswana people would not qualify as Khoisan in the strict sense. Also, many Cape Coloureds wouldn't qualify, especially not the European guy in the interview, who claims to be a spokesperson for Khoisan 😂😂
Maybe this will help you understand.... the KHOI for example have different clans , such as the NAMA , GRIQUA , KORANA etc . These people have been reclassified as coloured by past govt regimes . This doesn't change who they really are , even if they have intermixed with other races . They are predominantly KHOI or San and are beginning to reclaim their rightful identity and heritage .
It's unfair to miss label people you know little about . ... and by the way , Mandela had a coloured grandmother, or more correctly a GRIQUA grandmother . She was of the Adam Kok community of GRIQUALAND EAST. Her mixed blood lineage would indicate that Mandela himself had Dutch blood in his veins . 😢😮😅
@@cecildennis-o9l Again, you are mixing fact and fiction. Many Khoisan have been assimilated into Xhosa and Tswana-Sesotho identities. You yourself gave a great example of that phenomenon: Tata Mandela.
Regarding "Coloureds": SOME Coloured communities consist of Khoisan descendants, others consist mostly of people who were brought to the Cape as labourers and slaves from foreign shores such as Malaysia. So, to be precise: Coloured is an umbrella term. Some of the people that are covered by the term are indigenous descendants, but others are descending from foreigners or a mix of both indigenous and foreign ancestry. Those classified as "Black" on the other hand are completely indigenous, including Khoisan ancestry!
@@esahm373 what do you mean I'm mixing fact and fiction? Please explain !
Everything I wrote is FACT .
Here's another insight for you .
The term indigenous is sadly misunderstood by many....
INDIGENOUS means : the First , the original , the initial, the most ancient etc .
of people to inhabit a territory or country, before the arrival of another people of different , race or ethnicity etc .
Clearly all the Black Bantu Nguni people are NOT indigenous to SA . When they arrived here they found another people here already, that is the KHOI and SAN.
So it's incorrect on every level to speak of the black Bantu Nguni tribes as indigenous .
@@cecildennis-o9l You still have to overcome the Verwoerd narrative of the National Party crooks, who wanted to classify indigenous peoples as foreigners!
First off: South Africa is a recent entity. Ancient Khoisan communities existed in various parts of Africa, just like the ancestors of the Nguni peoples were present in various parts of Africa before (and still are: there are Nguni communities as we speak in East Africa for example).
Another interesting fact for you: the ancient home of the Khoisan is most likely the Horn of Africa, so they too at some point travelled from one region within the African landmass to another.
I consider Khoisan and Nguni and Sotho-Tswana indigenous TO THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA.
Humanity didn't start in Western Cape my friend! People have been migrating through Africa since the dawn of humanity. We cannot assume that one and the same group has inhabited Western Cape continuously since Adam and Eve.
Bushmen and Nama
Apartheid is over, now everyone has claims.
Why didn't they lay their claims during British rule,
Why didn't they do during apartheid.
Now that the black is ruling, everyone want something, even the Afrikaans want land while they control 90% of South Africa land.
Have you guys seen how the today true khoikhoi excluding those coloreds khoisan wanna be. You go to Botswana and Namibia, the true khoikhoi are living in villages like far out of sight straw villages en stuff.
It's true they should be given some credits, after all every south African counts, the wanting the land and be treated as kings is a dream.
Why don't just peoples integrate and build a country that benefits everyone not the one that everyone want a piece of a slice for them en family.
You want power, go be a politician or some related nonsense like everyone
Coloureds are not indigenous Khoisan
They actually are ! They were reclassified by previous govt legislation to be classified as coloured. The KHOI clans are NAMA , GRIQUA , KORANA etc, they are all officially classified as coloured.
@@cecildennis-o9lthey actually are not and you know they are not. Coloureds are multiracial the Khoi and San people are not multiracial. It is fine for you all to say you have khoi and/or San ancestry, but to keep lying about being Indigenous or being "Khoisan" is disrespectful. Black people actually die because they are Black and here you all are trying to hijack 2 different Black identities just to claim land. Just simply say that you all are Multiracial people who want land and better conditions in South Africa.
How ridiculous this government is to turn the 1st nation away because they have no land and villages. This issue has to be dealt with by a Ministry of First Nation people.
Who fought for this country??? U are taking chances. U were selling us to the Boers not knowing that we can win back this country, now that we have died and resisted all the suffering without selling any body u are now coming back to claim.
Hence u are not trusted with anything, u are not trustworthy, no backbone at all. To have away language and culture is evident to what I just said.
Even in this "new" South Africa we are seen as "less then". In the apartheid years we were fighting along side our black brothers and sisters for change and when they got into power and became the new masters they forgot about us who struggled along side them. Even if you look at BEE and how far down the rating we as khoi/"coloured" falls into(Indians/Asian fall almost into the same rating category, and not originally being from this country). This pushing our people to keep struggling even after "the struggle" has past. Why cant we be equal to those we struggled with? Im not saying we the first nation and therefor we should be placed above everyone else. All im asking for is to be equal but it seems even that is to much to ask for. In the past we could only watch white people fighting over our land and today we watch the black people doing the same while just forgetting about us or like i see some comments saying that we are not even from this land. Its true South Africa has "changed" we were first chased from our land by the whites and today it seems the blacks are our new racist masters who wants to continue the chasing of the khoi/"coloured" people.
😂😂my word.
Playing the victim card are we 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@andrewsidelo8221 if not true, proof me wrong. Dont just leave a snide remark and move on
@@Thatotherguy803 once in a while an idiot gains access to the internet and a device to roam, should I be forced to engage an idiot merely because he has happened upon the internet and a device to roam it?
A hearty laugh at the predicament is sufficient.
@@Thatotherguy803 your openning sentence says it all bro. Symptom of a victim card carrying member. Grow up, from this "less than" BS.
The reporter is half black and half white he looks coloured
Wow Sherlock, none of us would have noticed 😂😂
@@esahm373 I NOTICED BUT HIS NAME CONFUSING US
@@thabilesilamsi6684 He is the son of Dali Mpofu. Why would you expect him to have a different name?
You expect his surname to be De Lille or Henrikse or Coetzee? 🤣🤣
Even offsprings of colonizers are claiming SA, their hair alone disqualifies them!
Go back to congo then you invader from the north
those nguni makes me sick that one cyril is a liar a demon cause he lies
legalise are demonic language