Also with the complete trash vinyl, you can wrap the post and panels with wood texture vinyl film. All cheap stuff and looks like a million bucks. My friend had me place metal rods in certain spots to strengthen in case of severe winds. I'm over 8 yrs . The only problem is the areas where the sun shines on the wood film faded. BUT WAIT!!!! All I did was apply mineral oil. It's restored to like it was first installed. Mineral oil for 32oz is like 2 bucks. 32 oz covers over 18 x 6 feet easily. Psst mineral oil is the truck for anything plastic rubber fading. Don't tell anyone not even Armour All, they won't like you knowing their secret.
Everything he covered in this video is spot on. I am a Professional Fence installer in South Carolina. Between high winds and the hot sun if you put your money in low grade products expect to replace it or repair it more often than you would like. Save yourself the pain and headaches save your money for a little longer and get the better quality products you will thank yourself later for doing so.
Are u talking about getting thicker material or building it out of wood , so people don’t charge much to install this vinyl fence it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do very easy
Dude, you are a gifted instructor. Keep up the good work. You have already saved me time and money by advising and demonstrating the strengths and weaknesses of products on the market. Kudos and many thanks!
I had a professional company install a vinyl fence 20 years ago. A tractor ran into a post and damaged it. The supplier didn't have that exact model anymore. Similar ones existed but spacing between the posts were different (1.25 vs 1.5 I believe) and it just looked way cheaper. So even when you get a professional company that just does fencing you might find out you'll still have issues down the line. Highly suggest storing a bunch of extra if you want it 20+ years later. Last time we had a gate get damaged (something hot melted/burned it). I ended up just buying raw posts, tracing out the rail holes by hand using the damaged pieces, cutting it with a jigsaw and a Dremel wheel, and building a new gate. Cost me about $40 instead of a few hundred easy for what was going to look like a cheaper out of place gate from a professional.
Thank you for the tips. Was about to buy vinyl fence from the big box store and was deciding if I should buy from the blue one or the orange one. I called a local company here in Maul and was quoted 21k. Just don’t have the cash to afford. I’m researching where I could buy the better vinyl and install myself. Thank you for saving me headache and more money in the future.
Thanks for the good videos. Going to replace my backyard fence this summer and trying to get ready for it, not a big hands on guy but there's a time for everything.
Great video Dan and team, excellent job explaining the difference in quality. We go through the same struggles in Ma, a lot of people purchase the box store vinyl as shown in video and they do not save much on material especially after when they have to have fence replaced multiple times versus doing it right the first time with quality material and doing it once 💪🏻 Have a great dang day
Greetings! How have you found the longevity of vinyl in our MA winters? I have seen a lot of failures in the way of cracking and even breaking. Is this merely a matter of what Dan was saying, that I was seeing poor quality vinyl? Thank you.
@@newenglandman2413 Hello, from what we see I would say mostly due to big box store that shall not be named 😀 Any fence when struck by something hard enough will suffer damage and usually break. We install professional grade vinyl fences all year and they hold up very well as long as they are not hit by fallen tree branches or being struck by rocks from lawnmowers etc.
looking on the swi website, the posts you guys provide doesn't seem to have the "holes" for the rails on the pictures. Does the posts have the holes for the top and bottom rails? (5x5 posts)
The website isn't as clear as it could be. We can provide posts with holes wherever you need them. You're welcome to call the shop with any questions you have. (307) 578-8040
You can use metal abrasive cutting blades in table saw, skill saw, miter saw, or even a angle grinder to cut vinyl. Makes a fast clean cut and is slightly safer then a metal fine tooth blade (only slightly)
Serious question, will the cheap panels, that you aren't a fan of, hold up inside a building? I'm building a small dog kennel inside a room in our shop. Floors are concrete so I can set the posts correctly. No worries about sun rot or wind. I liked the idea of the pre built ones being a set size. Basically, they will be used as bays for the dogs. I don't need them to last more than a year or so, just until I can get a permeant structure built for our kennel business. Then I intend to have a professional install good vinyl fencing. Would they withstand dog scratching for a year-ish?
Great vid man! taking the time out of your work day (in the snow) to make a vid speaks volumes of your company! I noticed other folks installed the top rail as soon as they place a few pickets in the bottom rail and let it hang sorta, but i guess thats not as efficient?
Thanks for the video. Great comparison What do you think about using screws to lock the top rail inside the post? Does your bottom rail have a metal I beam?
We know of people that just use screws to lock the top rail in, but we prefer the rail locks. More secure in my opinion to spread the surface area of that contact along the entire side.
Dan my man… I wasn’t expecting the perfect snow angel. You Devil!!! I put in a vinyl fence from a pro supply house in Florida two years ago. The neighbors had a handyman install theirs with big box panels. Mine made it through two hurricanes unscathed. The neighbors came apart in the first one. And it’s replaced sections and posts also failed in the second. Now, about those self drilling screws… who trains them on where and how to screw themselves? I mean, I am always being instructed to go screw myself. Yet those come out of the bag ready to do so. You could blame the dirt on TMBC… I mean, no one blames the Main Character (and resident Snow Angel Sculptor) when the props or scenery are screwed up… do they? I’m gonna go out and start training my screws… it’s gonna be a good danged day!
With high-quality vinyl you don't need to use wood posts inside your vinyl. Granted, maybe with some of these cheaper vinyl you _should._ That's a possibility.
The only problem I have is that you pulled on the sides of the first fence top post but then you pulled on the bottom of your post. I understand that you are marketing your fence. But if you are going to compare I believe you should test run both products the same way you did not pull on the sides.
You say what not to get on a DYI but I must have missed what to get on a dyi. You say “ours” but don’t list your supplier. As dyi I have no idea what brand I should be considering. I called a prominent fence company and they gave me a quote and the quote has the brand which was the same brand as Home Depot.
All of our supplies are linked in the video description. Otherwise, source it yourself, just keep in mind what makes quality vinyl: ua-cam.com/video/o72mFcwKIXY/v-deo.html
I will only install Country Estate vinyl because that’s quality supply where in from. I will not install (box store) vinyl for no cost .Sorry just call a box store company
I needed to do a 16ft privacy fence with these vinyl panels. HomeD total came to $1160 after tax. Nearly $400 for a premade 4ft gate alone! Insanity. Your money is nearly worthless.
Excellent, informative, entertaining, great attitude, as always. I always walk away having some new useful knowledge. Not to mention that the way you handled that pre-fab panel on the portable table saw in the wind is skill above pro level. Was clenching my teeth through that one. However, I must lodge my complaint against your use of the term "u" channel. That is a blatant and offensive dyslexophobic term. It could also be an "n" channel or a "c" channel. Oh my Dog! So offensive! I would like to know also if it is custom local to your area to hang around with a 2-foot level between your legs (cf. 1:30-1:50). The practice could be hazardous. On the other hand, perhaps I am being prejudicial by assuming that it is a 2-foot level. If that is not, in fact, a 2-foot level between your legs, may I suggest you look into other sorts of videos you could be making, probably for very good money. Thank you for a great video and please make more!
as someome who has built fences for 7 years, i hate vinyl fences. they are easy to build but they are so weak, if they are built by an idiot they WILL fall apart in a year or so, and if built properly i can still run through the panels. a bbq will melt them to shit, they are brittle in cold winters, i just hate the lack of durability they seem to have
you better support the bottom it will sag and then self tappers what are they going into 1/8 material , I started seeing these fences coming apart after just two years , I have seen the panels fall out in the wind my opinion vinyl fencing are a joke
It's all about the quality of the vinyl and the methods used to install. We've tested ours in hurricane-force winds. ua-cam.com/video/_iQnheVwAI4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/8jWcT17PFME/v-deo.html
@@SWiFence my experience with seeing what fence builder do is a joke , that was the very first thing knew how to do in construction and don't make it out to be a piece of art work its a fuken fence
Ought to be illegal to sell trashy vinyl. I've always used a product out of Utah. Lifetime guarantee. I use it in the desert here in Palm Springs. No discoloration and withstands 65 mile an hour gusts of winds. I use a cordless grinder to cut rails and rippers. Only have vinyl done by reputable professionals!!!!!!!!!
The simplest answer is The cheapest one is the one you built yourself. Installing fence is not rocket science. Even a bum off the street could get the job done with the right tool.
I used the complete trash one and its still as good as when i installed it 😊(about 11 years so far)
Also with the complete trash vinyl, you can wrap the post and panels with wood texture vinyl film. All cheap stuff and looks like a million bucks. My friend had me place metal rods in certain spots to strengthen in case of severe winds. I'm over 8 yrs . The only problem is the areas where the sun shines on the wood film faded.
BUT WAIT!!!! All I did was apply mineral oil. It's restored to like it was first installed.
Mineral oil for 32oz is like 2 bucks. 32 oz covers over 18 x 6 feet easily.
Psst mineral oil is the truck for anything plastic rubber fading. Don't tell anyone not even Armour All, they won't like you knowing their secret.
Everything he covered in this video is spot on. I am a Professional Fence installer in South Carolina. Between high winds and the hot sun if you put your money in low grade products expect to replace it or repair it more often than you would like. Save yourself the pain and headaches save your money for a little longer and get the better quality products you will thank yourself later for doing so.
Yep, what I was taught as a kid always research wtf you're buying and don't buy junk.
How would someone find quality fencing to install yourself? I've had a few estimates from installers and I don't know where they'd get theirs from.
How random is this?!? I'm looking for a fence installer in SC! What part?
Are u talking about getting thicker material or building it out of wood , so people don’t charge much to install this vinyl fence it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do very easy
Ah yes I am a professional as well, wonderful.
Dude, you are a gifted instructor. Keep up the good work. You have already saved me time and money by advising and demonstrating the strengths and weaknesses of products on the market. Kudos and many thanks!
Hailing from Cleveland, OH here.
Thanks so much! Appreciate that!
No he isn’t…he’s a salesman.
I had a professional company install a vinyl fence 20 years ago. A tractor ran into a post and damaged it. The supplier didn't have that exact model anymore. Similar ones existed but spacing between the posts were different (1.25 vs 1.5 I believe) and it just looked way cheaper. So even when you get a professional company that just does fencing you might find out you'll still have issues down the line. Highly suggest storing a bunch of extra if you want it 20+ years later. Last time we had a gate get damaged (something hot melted/burned it). I ended up just buying raw posts, tracing out the rail holes by hand using the damaged pieces, cutting it with a jigsaw and a Dremel wheel, and building a new gate. Cost me about $40 instead of a few hundred easy for what was going to look like a cheaper out of place gate from a professional.
You guys are cool guys and honest and I love your humor
Hey thanks!
Was thinking of doing it myself but now I might just go on with my life.
Oh c'mon! You got this! 👍🏻
Lollll
Thank you for the tips. Was about to buy vinyl fence from the big box store and was deciding if I should buy from the blue one or the orange one. I called a local company here in Maul and was quoted 21k. Just don’t have the cash to afford. I’m researching where I could buy the better vinyl and install myself. Thank you for saving me headache and more money in the future.
Have you figure out where to get? We're in the same boat!
Can these posts fit over 4x4. I just replaced my 4x4s and dont want to dig them out.
ok I got to confess you look fun as hell to work with
Hey thanks!
Thanks for the good videos. Going to replace my backyard fence this summer and trying to get ready for it, not a big hands on guy but there's a time for everything.
You got this!
Love your fence for sure. I am wondering if you can go vertical or horizontal if you like ?
Very helpful, thanks for sharing, I’m excited to get started on my project
Awesome--you got this! 💪🏻
Great video Dan and team, excellent job explaining the difference in quality. We go through the same struggles in Ma, a lot of people purchase the box store vinyl as shown in video and they do not save much on material especially after when they have to have fence replaced multiple times versus doing it right the first time with quality material and doing it once 💪🏻
Have a great dang day
Greetings! How have you found the longevity of vinyl in our MA winters? I have seen a lot of failures in the way of cracking and even breaking. Is this merely a matter of what Dan was saying, that I was seeing poor quality vinyl? Thank you.
@@newenglandman2413 Hello, from what we see I would say mostly due to big box store that shall not be named 😀 Any fence when struck by something hard enough will suffer damage and usually break. We install professional grade vinyl fences all year and they hold up very well as long as they are not hit by fallen tree branches or being struck by rocks from lawnmowers etc.
@@NoahDevine91 Thank you very much; I appreciate that. We certainly have our challenges in New England!
looking on the swi website, the posts you guys provide doesn't seem to have the "holes" for the rails on the pictures. Does the posts have the holes for the top and bottom rails? (5x5 posts)
The website isn't as clear as it could be. We can provide posts with holes wherever you need them. You're welcome to call the shop with any questions you have. (307) 578-8040
@@SWiFence thanks, for sure! Will call when ready to order!
You can use metal abrasive cutting blades in table saw, skill saw, miter saw, or even a angle grinder to cut vinyl. Makes a fast clean cut and is slightly safer then a metal fine tooth blade (only slightly)
Just don’t pause or you’ll melt it! LOL
Well done and great great lesson for beginners.
Serious question, will the cheap panels, that you aren't a fan of, hold up inside a building? I'm building a small dog kennel inside a room in our shop. Floors are concrete so I can set the posts correctly. No worries about sun rot or wind. I liked the idea of the pre built ones being a set size. Basically, they will be used as bays for the dogs. I don't need them to last more than a year or so, just until I can get a permeant structure built for our kennel business. Then I intend to have a professional install good vinyl fencing. Would they withstand dog scratching for a year-ish?
I can't promise but I would think you'd be alright.
Very informative and well done videos. Actually just was looking to learn some cleaning tips but that was 3 videos ago…
Love to hear that!
Great vid man! taking the time out of your work day (in the snow) to make a vid speaks volumes of your company! I noticed other folks installed the top rail as soon as they place a few pickets in the bottom rail and let it hang sorta, but i guess thats not as efficient?
Hmmm, everybody has their own methods--this is what works best for us. 👍🏻
Great job, very good info.
Thanks!
Thanks for the video. Great comparison What do you think about using screws to lock the top rail inside the post? Does your bottom rail have a metal I beam?
We know of people that just use screws to lock the top rail in, but we prefer the rail locks. More secure in my opinion to spread the surface area of that contact along the entire side.
No, top and bottom rails are the same--no metal I beam needed.
Awesome video & great tips.
I'm on the West Coast of Florida.
There's room here for you.
But you might end up getting two feet buried in sand.
Great video, great job.
I learned a few things but a little too complicated for me.Thank you!
At 15:37 there is a gap where panel post meet wonder if could put something there
Dan my man… I wasn’t expecting the perfect snow angel. You Devil!!!
I put in a vinyl fence from a pro supply house in Florida two years ago. The neighbors had a handyman install theirs with big box panels.
Mine made it through two hurricanes unscathed. The neighbors came apart in the first one. And it’s replaced sections and posts also failed in the second.
Now, about those self drilling screws… who trains them on where and how to screw themselves? I mean, I am always being instructed to go screw myself. Yet those come out of the bag ready to do so.
You could blame the dirt on TMBC… I mean, no one blames the Main Character (and resident Snow Angel Sculptor) when the props or scenery are screwed up… do they?
I’m gonna go out and start training my screws… it’s gonna be a good danged day!
I bet it is somehow MBTC's fault! 🤣🤣
What pro supply house did you go with?
Is the branding blurred at 11:32?
It is. 👍🏻
Do yours install easy on a slight grade?
Yep. We do grades all the time. 👍🏻
Why you didn't use 4x4 wood post, inside the vinyl ones?
Thanks.
With high-quality vinyl you don't need to use wood posts inside your vinyl. Granted, maybe with some of these cheaper vinyl you _should._ That's a possibility.
The MFG has aluminum stiffners that you can use that fit very well.
what if you want a 5ft fence?
You can cut it
Are there options to order 8' privacy fence
Nvm I read the description for the link.
You dud not install the Freedom Emblem as per the mfg. suggestion. And add the Aluminum stiffners for added strength.
you pulled 2 different between the "Pro Grade" and the rails you use.
well done,
Thanks!
A panel cost 75.00. The other with pickets and bottom and upper pieace 154.00. Depends how much wanting to spend
Great video. Anyone in Florida use this method of fencing?
swiflorida.com/
The only problem I have is that you pulled on the sides of the first fence top post but then you pulled on the bottom of your post. I understand that you are marketing your fence. But if you are going to compare I believe you should test run both products the same way you did not pull on the sides.
Fair point. I'll try to remember to pull in the same place next time. 👍🏻
Need a quote
www.swiwyoming.com/quote-tool/
swiflorida.com/quote-tool/
Material waste if it sun rots. I like durable vinyl for a fence that I need. I won’t go cheapest material. I want a lasting fence. Good to know. 😊
You say what not to get on a DYI but I must have missed what to get on a dyi. You say “ours” but don’t list your supplier. As dyi I have no idea what brand I should be considering. I called a prominent fence company and they gave me a quote and the quote has the brand which was the same brand as Home Depot.
All of our supplies are linked in the video description.
Otherwise, source it yourself, just keep in mind what makes quality vinyl: ua-cam.com/video/o72mFcwKIXY/v-deo.html
I wish the height was adjustable.
Love your honesty. You have choices. God bless. And hope your business flys
Thank you!
The “Cheapest” one is for interior fencing applications only 🤪
18:16 hey wait a minute , you didn't show how you got that piece in, you only showed after you got the panel you cut in. Do over!!!!!
I mean... I slid it in from the top. Not trying to hide anything.
I will only install Country Estate vinyl because that’s quality supply where in from. I will not install (box store) vinyl for no cost .Sorry just call a box store company
I needed to do a 16ft privacy fence with these vinyl panels. HomeD total came to $1160 after tax. Nearly $400 for a premade 4ft gate alone! Insanity. Your money is nearly worthless.
Excellent, informative, entertaining, great attitude, as always. I always walk away having some new useful knowledge. Not to mention that the way you handled that pre-fab panel on the portable table saw in the wind is skill above pro level. Was clenching my teeth through that one.
However, I must lodge my complaint against your use of the term "u" channel. That is a blatant and offensive dyslexophobic term. It could also be an "n" channel or a "c" channel. Oh my Dog! So offensive!
I would like to know also if it is custom local to your area to hang around with a 2-foot level between your legs (cf. 1:30-1:50). The practice could be hazardous. On the other hand, perhaps I am being prejudicial by assuming that it is a 2-foot level. If that is not, in fact, a 2-foot level between your legs, may I suggest you look into other sorts of videos you could be making, probably for very good money.
Thank you for a great video and please make more!
😂 We will immediately confer with our diversity committee to make sure we choose a more inclusive name for our channel. 👍🏻
@@SWiFence Thank you. Dyslexics everywhere thnak you.
as someome who has built fences for 7 years, i hate vinyl fences. they are easy to build but they are so weak, if they are built by an idiot they WILL fall apart in a year or so, and if built properly i can still run through the panels. a bbq will melt them to shit, they are brittle in cold winters, i just hate the lack of durability they seem to have
They are a deeply divisive topic. Love 'em or hate 'em.
@@SWiFence true, I'm on the hate em fence lol
you better support the bottom it will sag and then self tappers what are they going into 1/8 material , I started seeing these fences coming apart after just two years , I have seen the panels fall out in the wind my opinion vinyl fencing are a joke
It's all about the quality of the vinyl and the methods used to install. We've tested ours in hurricane-force winds.
ua-cam.com/video/_iQnheVwAI4/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/8jWcT17PFME/v-deo.html
@@SWiFence STFU hurricanes-force wind if u don’t support the bottom it will sag and panels will fall out
Sounds like you've worked with some cruddy vinyl product in the past.
@@SWiFence my experience with seeing what fence builder do is a joke , that was the very first thing knew how to do in construction and don't make it out to be a piece of art work its a fuken fence
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Ought to be illegal to sell trashy vinyl. I've always used a product out of Utah. Lifetime guarantee. I use it in the desert here in Palm Springs. No discoloration and withstands 65 mile an hour gusts of winds. I use a cordless grinder to cut rails and rippers. Only have vinyl done by reputable professionals!!!!!!!!!
Our product comes out of Utah as well. 😉
What's the name of company or website?
Can you recommend which company in Utah?
The simplest answer is The cheapest one is the one you built yourself. Installing fence is not rocket science. Even a bum off the street could get the job done with the right tool.
Ah, but getting your fence to not LOOK like a bum off the street installed it--that's a whole different story.
Skill saw?
Most humans call them circular saws…
I don't know about most humans, but I'm sure they do where you're from. Same thing.
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don't set the post until you put in pickets...😂 then you can use full pickets posts you can move inch or 2...then set post 🤓