Ukraine and the Age of Cowards - Konstantin Kisin
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2024
- The great American investor, Peter Thiel, said in a speech in 2014 that in the modern West courage is in shorter supply than genius. It doesn’t feel like it but 2014 is now a full decade in the past, and in that time the supply of courage has continued to fall off a cliff. #ukraine #russia #biden
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The problem is that KK’s assessment of potential end states continues to be wrong. The 1991 borders are attainable with sufficient support. Why on earth would Ukrainians be willing to sacrifice people and land to russia after Bucha? Unconscionable.
Sir, you are not doing this correctly. People never remember statistics. Take your advsary down in large bites. 1. Tell us what is a Palestinian and their founding father?
2. If Jews are set l ers in Israel, tell us what that makes Muslims in Europe?
3. Name anything that has benefited the world more than European civilization?
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Russia wasn't chased out of Kiev, they left after they had reached a tentative peace agreement which your prime minister of the time kyboshed on behalf of NATO.
Your video is riddled with other such inaccuracies. I feel for the Ukranian people, but analyzing the situation from an emotional perspective is out of character for this channel.
Territorial concessions for what? What do you mean “long term security?” Security for Ukraine? For Russia? For both? On what conditions?
Happy to see someone in the comments section who is not a Russian bot.
@@bulldog71ss33 so anyone who dosent buy the US propaganda nonsense is a Russian bot? drink some more kool aid dude, we dont want reality to set in do we?
Agreed. There is a somewhat naive belief that negotiations magically produce peace when there is not an outcome which is acceptable to both sides.
So-far, Putin seems happy to see Russian and Ukrainian men die in pursuit of stated outcomes that include neither Ukraine's security, nor its sovereignty
@@peterwebb8732 Acutally Biden is happy to see Ukraine and Russia destroyed by US neocons pushing this proxy war for decades
What is the alternative? To continue to lose the war until they are in an even worse position before calling it quits?
I have a piece of paper in my hands which guarantees peace in our time- Neville Chamberlain
Chamberlain signed a document he knew he could not abide by (defending Poland in case of invasion). Regardless of how you look at it, Hitler voided the agreement, whereas Russia has not voided anything. Indeed, Hitler would likely have stopped at Poland if France and Britain did not declare war on Germany.
So sad that Konstantin is holding up that piece of paper, i thought better of him.
Difference is history has used that to beat Chamberlain over the head and paint him as a coward without taking any context in to account.
@@emceedoctorb3022 Given the amount of death and destruction it always baffled me why Chamberlain was criticised for trying so hard to avert the war. Peoples judgement in hindsight was grossly unfair, with what knowledge he had at the time his efforts although futile were quite heroic I thought. Its a shame no one in Nato has put in any effort whatsoever to avert the war...they clearly invited it, scuttling peace talks at every turn
@@evanchristie9778, because he didn't avert the war? Choosing shame over a fight does not spare you the fight... When they were coerced into accepting Hitler's demands, Czechoslovakia had STROGNER military, than Germany, They could've fought and -- with British and French helped -- would've likely prevailed, sparing those millions of lives, that perished defeating the much stronger Germany a few years later.
Refer to the “Winter War” of 1939 when Stalin’s Red Army invaded Finland with over 20 DIVISIONS. The west abandoned them just as they are with Ukraine. The Soviets, just like the Russians, initially failed to accomplish their military objectives despite massive numerical and arms advantages. Despite their valiant efforts, Finland lost territory they still lack. Quite a number of parallels.
I believe they lost 9% of it.
Followed by a very real fear of a new invasion for the next eighty years, since it was only a matter of time before they'd do it again. This lead the Finns never to let their guard down for a second and never trust the Russians (again).
@@rewdwarf123 11%
@@kevinfox1780 Even worse!
It's even worse now, because we took their means to defend themselves. Supporting Ukraine isn't just the right thing, but a moral responsibility.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that this was filmed before the US House of Representatives approved $61B dollars in aid while telling the American people to go . . .
I don't think that this is going to change Konstantin's stance by much. I don't think he is insincere, but whole premise of his argument depends on Russia willingness to negotiate - I very much doubt they are.
Yup..and...the new $95 billion is being split between Is reel you crane and tie wan. How is the world not at war again? Money printer go brrrrrrr! as the people suffer.
Most American people support Ukraine, it's just you and a minority that can go. . .
So you’re speaking for all the US?
They are paying in blo0d. And defending democracy. Gosh darn right the democratic world should support them. How would you like to see your son returned in a box.
go on then Kisin join the army and get in the trenches.
After you, Queenie.
Never happen. Talk is cheap
@@fredneecher1746He isn’t talking tough like our warrior stud Kisin
@@fredneecher1746 Why should Queeni join ? if he is not a Uke like Kisin is.
He's a jew, he won't go there even though he says his relatives are there. He will be just keep talking BS as usual.
The war is not meant to be won, the war is meant to be continuous.. - US Congress
That is just a platitude, wars are won and lost all the time
@@franciscomap75 not American wars since ww2 son! Wake up.
@@patmalone4559 Korea
Granada
Iraq war 1 and 2
@@franciscomap75 not one of them have actually been won you moron
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
NOT a criticism, but Konstantin , if you could , please explain WHAT hardware were you trusting the West would provide Ukraine? ...Tanks , Aircraft ? ,..can you say what your idea would have been ?? Thanks .
He said quite clearly the idea was to get them a good spot at the negotiating table, not to win outright. We have been insisting they win outright or they lose outright.
@@hunteralderman4867 I was simply asking what military hardware , that was promised , early in the conflict , not now ...
You don't seem to understand, it isn't about what, it's about why. We are doing it for the wrong why, this is Konstantin's issue.
I believe: Artillery, shells, ammunition, tanks, anti tank sys, jamming tech, air defense sys, com tech, spare parts & aircraft. They did get lots, but enough, esp artillery, tanks, air defense sys but mostly not in time to uproot Russian positions bfr they had fortified. That's the consensus, by the time their requests were considered, "politiced" around, discussed, Russia had sent new troops, fortified very well, mined & set fields fire & gotten tech & weapons from China. And the initiative was lost, advance was usually a killing field. So stalemate, maybe. Idk
@@hunteralderman4867 They had a good spot at the negotiating table in Istanbul in 2022 until NATO told them no deal, keep fighting.
How is it a conspiracy theory that we are encouraging Ukraine to fight to deplete Russian military strength? Multiple politicians have flat out said this.
his wife is ukrainian he's as biased as hamsa youssef whose wife is palestinian
Except that it has the exact opposite effect and now Russia has massively grown its military strength by getting rid of all of its old equipment and replacing it with new one whilst getting its industry to full sustained wartime production capacity. Outproducing the collective West due to deep domestic resource reserves. And Russian manpower losses were by far not high enough to exhaust or cripple its warfighting capabilities. But it greatly helped Russia to purge its ranks of incompetence and corruption and give its military actual combat experience against NATO equipment and training.
Which will all come back to bite NATO in its collective ass soon enough.
That’s not the same thing as saying we are fighting to the last Ukrainian. Ukraine would have fallen if the people didn’t want to fight
@@jjreddick377 Half of Ukraine's population has fled the country and Zelensky has to use press gangs to grab the remaining fighting age men off the streets and forcefully conscript them.
You can be certain the majority of Ukrainian military personnel today isn't fighting voluntarily. Except maybe for the few fanatical ultranationalists like Azov, which also have been heavily decimated.
Russia on the other hand has little problem finding tens of thousands of volunteers additionally to its conscripts. Although there are also quite a few Russian men who fled conscription. Experts guess the K/D ratio of around 8:1 in Russia's favor over the conflict so far. And its unmobilized manpower reserves are still deep.
But all the stubborn resistance of Ukraine achieves now is, to senselessly waste more of its citizen's lives it cannot afford to lose, if it wants to remain a functional nation.
And without Western support, Ukraine would have folded within the first months of the conflict, sparing so many men's lives on both sides.
So yes, the West is fighting this war down to the last Ukrainian. And once it becomes apparent that Ukraine is finished and Russia cannot be stopped or overcome, it will be dropped like a hot potato.
And all the money in the world won't change the outcome of this senseless conflict a bit. Only the final body count.
@@axelhopfinger533
Ain't God good? 😊🐻🇷🇺
You didn't really touch on the part where even if a ceasefire is negotiated it only gives Russia more time to build back up and attack again.
That’s for sure
Highly unlikely. Both countries have been devastated by the conflict. Russia will almost certainly not want to restart the war again
whatever helps you sleep at night...
You mean what we Europeans did over 8 years. Merkel said we wanted that war and prepered for it.
@@johnstuart4914 Russia never wanted that war, unlike ukraniens, americans ... russians dont see ukraniens a different.
Konstantin, What are you saying ? Do you believe that we in the UK should pull the rug out from Ukraine ?
Unlike you I am not from that part of the world so I respect your views on this but surely it's up to the Ukrainian people to decide when to negotiate with Putin . Personally I think that Putin is still confident of taking much more territory including Odessa and will not be satisfied until that happens.
Also, russia has written Ukrainian lands into their constitution they have not yet managed to conquer.
If it wasn't for the UK and the US this war would have been avoided in multiple places over the past 20 years, and need I remind you this also could have been prevented almost right at the start if then PM Boris Johnson didn't personally fly over there to get Ukraine to fight to the end.
@@0utc4st1985 sure, if everyone did what russia demanded there would have been peace, if Ukrainian surrendered the first day there would have been way less death but russia have no say what so ever on sovereign decision of other country. Freedom have a cost and one must fight for it because if you knee and let other impose their will on your own choices you become a slave.
@@0utc4st1985 Why shouldn't they fight to protect their country ?
The Ukrainians are not too keen on their cities being reduced to dust and / or their familys being raped , abused and murdered .
Would you seriously want Putin to rule over you ?
I think people need to read the Washington Post’s “In this Ukrainian village, almost no men are left” article…
French military report said that 35k casualties are inflicted on Ukraine monthly by Russia. They factually can’t sustain these numbers and it only going to get worse as the quality of Ukrainian conscripts goes down. Ukraine’s surviving “offensive” brigades from 2023 have been thrown into the defense and worn down. New replacements are mostly conscripts that have little morale to fight compared to the volunteers that flooded the service. No evidence of an imminent internal collapse of Russia which is the only chance of a real victory for Ukraine.
U.S said this week that they haven't recieved any more Ukranian men to train since the last batch which was quite some time ago which they condluded must mean that Ukraine hasn't been able to find enough men to draft, not enough to send any to Germany to be trained by the U.S military bases there. The manpower issues we've heard about in the media could really bad and they can't find enough to draft into service, not enough to send enough to Germany anyway. Or all were needed ASAP at the front and only limited time for training meant there was no point or time to send any of them to Germany for months of training.
What long term security can there be against an opponent who took your nukes and promised not to invade, and then invaded anyway. They already had a non-aggression-pact with Russia, so how much value can there be in a new one, Russias word isn't worth anything.
Exactly this. There are no negotiations because there is nothing to talk about. The Russians burned whatever credibility they might have had years ago. Any guarantees they make aren't worth the paper they are printed on and its completely unreasonable to make concrete concessions like territory or military alliances in return for something that can and will be rescinded with the stroke of a pen the minute Putin feels strong enough to continue on his terms.
and the west also promised to fight for Ukraine in exchange for those nukes.
It was more that a non agression pact, it was a recognition of the 91 borders... amazing how people can still suggest making deals with a nation that does not respect deals
that "non-agression pact" never implied that Ukraine could be part of nato.
in 91 we promised to not invade Ukraine that was neutral, friendly, and a good partner in trading. also, it was a brother nation, now it's run by nationalists who hates all russian, implies anti-russian policies and wants ant anti-russian military alliance.
surprise-surprise, our answer to that is "how about no"
also, since 91 there were many instances in result of which you can say the same about Ukraine - "their word isn't worth anything"
and same can be said about the west.
@@ivanchizhikov9939 Of course they want an anti-Russian military alliance! You would too if you lived in a country Russia was constantly threatening to invade and finally did actually invade!
It's like people forgot that's wars used to be able to end without unconditional surrender & complete destruction, there's a reason there were so many trade and war treaties throughout history...
It really should have found a peace of some sort.. after Ukraine was able to put up a good fight and have leverage..
But too many people had too many financial motivations to keep the death coming
Your problem is that Russia has not shown any sign of believing that Ukraine has that "leverage".
Negotiation cannot succeed when there is not a proposed outcome that is acceptable to both sides, and to which both sides can be held.
Stated Russian aims not only include taking a lot more of Ukraine -including people, not just territory - but denying Ukraine either effective security or self-determination. Good luck getting the Ukrainians to accept that.
@@peterwebb8732
I'm not disagreeing with you, but early on in the war Ukraine did have the leverage.. Russia did not have a good status, and they were hurting because the sanctions had just happened, that was the perfect time to negotiate for peace. And it was the Western powers that stopped that wasn't it?
And then, they could write into the documents if Russia goes against a single more foot of land, the allies would have justification to go World War 2 on their a**.
The way they have a lot of things to play out instead, has a lot of the West tired of it, because in their eyes nothing has changed between now and the invasion..
Had there been some sort of peace pause, and Russia made a deal not to step another foot in, then people would be a lot more gung-ho and supportive
@claudeyaz what would you do in their situation?
Ukraine placed a law that forbids negotiations with Russia.
@@Sam--506 not true. Forbidden negotiations with Putin , not with Russia - big difference
The age of the Ukraine draft is above 27 years old. The average age is over 45 years old, what young men? The young men are in Poland. Brave man where is your rifle?!
Men are prohibited from leaving Ukraine
@@user-wm5rt9pw5l All 1/2 million of them?!
I think you are missing the mark from the performance of Americans.
Imagine 50 years of forced wars - Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan.
You’ve lost sons and daughters, your country is $34T in debt, and you see your own government failing you everywhere.
Street crime, drug over doses, pointless identity politics etc etc
Now imagine citizens experiencing this, for decades, say to themselves “why are we in or funding forever wars, perhaps we should try and get our own $hit together because we are bad at policing the world and broke at home
Ah, but as he says, he's Ukrainian living in Britain - asking us to go deeper into debt to protect a country he isn't even in is what he is asking. He goes on about how the West shouldn't fall, but then thinks the West should over extend itself to save some country no one cared about before 2022.
Ukraine sent soldiers to fight and die for America in Afghanistan. Being from Britain, a country that has fought more wars than you have eaten pizza, cake and chilli I have to say that you are being a whining pussy.
The US has a long history of injustices and messing up, but Ukraine is not one of those cases. Ukraine gave up the nuclear weapons back in the 90's in exchange for the US promising to protect them if they were ever invaded. Nuclear disarmament makes the world a safer place for literally everyone.
@@jackeagleeye3453 Except Nuclear arsenal is also a deterent.
Why should only a handful of nations state who can and who cannot have atomic arsenal, when we see clear as the brightest of sunny days that those handful of nations' governments are just as evil as evil can be!
This. 💯
It is not cowardice. Ukraine was never meant to win. This war was supposed to drag on just long enough to create economic or political turmoil in Russia.
Exactly, which was a scenario based on Western nations’ politicians and military commanders’ complete lack of knowledge regarding Russia’s economy, political institutions, and war philosophy. What boggles the mind is how many lies by so-called experts and ludicrous propaganda Western media have been feeding us for the last two years.
Which it won't. Russia have natural resources that are in demand, the EU and the US have little other than finance and fiat. This will end badly fir the west in ways no one can see coming.
So Putin wants to undermine his own country now?
And Europe
Cope.
Ukraine had Russian "guarantees" of sovereignty before 2022. How did that work out?
They were only under the condition of Ukraine not cozying up to NATO.
@@hunteralderman4867 First that's just a false statement; no such condition existed in the agreement between Ukraine and Russia. Second, sad to see Russian trolls in these comments
@@Silent_300 Calling everyone a troll just makes you sound like a child.
That is de facto part of an agreement of neutrality. All major powers do exactly this, if you ally with their enemies, you de facto become an enemy. Do you recall how it is going for Cuba when they cosied up to an enemy of the USA?
@@Silent_300 Calling everything a 'Russian bot' makes you sound silly.
De facto part of a neutrality agreement is to not become close to the enemy. Surely you are aware of what the USA did and is still doing to Cuba for doing the same thing 70 years ago? This is what great powers do to their neighbours. Don't get me wrong, Ukraine has every right to cosy up to the enemy of their local great power, but don't expect them to honour any guarantee after you chose to stand with their enemy.
@@hunteralderman4867 Seriously, when was that agreement ever made (outside of Putin's head)? Just because one country decides that another can't implement its own independent foreign policy without permission (ie becoming a 'vassal state'), is the second country bound by the first's decisions, esp if no formal written (or even unwritten) agreement was ever made.
Konstantin, my mother is from Ukraine and I visited many places there when I was a kid. Now, living in US for too many years. We have a lot of similarities in our background as well as in a train of thought. So far I've agreed with all of your positions. Not here. You don't negotiate with Evil. You let it breath, it will come back with more vigor and more destruction because it learns. Yes, West is playing games but deep inside it knows what must be done. It is up to Ukrainian people though to decide their fate. I know they will pick the right choice, right for them and right for the Humanity.
Evil is negotiated with all the time, evil cannot be destroyed or banished.
@@Monkey-fv2km Well, Russia is not Satan from the underworld. This is simply a kleptocracy rebuilt into an expansionist revanchist dictatorship.
Google the Ukranian civil casualties (some are on the Russian side), & then check out Palestine or Iraq or ....
Keyboard warrior encouraging young men into a meat grinder safe from the comfort of the USA.
I’m also Ukrainian, but I in fact, held the same position that he’s finally coming out, and speaking of. I think they should have never been a war to begin with. We’ve lost too many great men in Ukraine, because of this stupidity, and we are even worse than we started. How can people not recognize that this was going to conclude to this? Everybody so bloodthirsty and blood hungry makes us no different from russia,and where is the real man in our country who know how to lead and negotiate and get us out of tough situations? Have you thought about that no! Everybody’s too busy fluffing up and sucking up to puppet politicians when they do nothing but destroy our people and put them in exile and harm our population with no recourse. If politicians want to have a pissing match, they should have stepped in the uniforms and went themselves instead of sending our generation to get wiped out. Pulling people from the streets, shoving them into front lines like sheep to the slaughter is no different how russia behaves.
I’m disappointed that it takes ages for people like Konstantine take years realize they’re never was going to be victory when facing against Russia. Even as kids we knew they were much superior, we could have used our wisdom and go around this conflict and stop being so stiff neck, like putin. We needed wisdom here, not arms in this conflict. Now, since Russia has the upper hand, it’s even more difficult to negotiate than when we started before the war. I hope all the prideful Ukrainians are happy, I love my country, but I’m not prideful to do stupid things like this. When my kids fight, I don’t pick a side, I both put them in time out and put an end to it.
I agree with you on everything you said about the poor support the west has given Ukrainian. But now the support has increased a lot. But you cannot negotiate any peace with Russia. Or believe any security guarantees. They had this before after they returned the nuclear weapons. And Russia broke them. All it would do is give the Russians time to build up their military and attack again with more success. The west needs to keep providing weapons and support so that they can deplete the Russian military this year to a point where they can have a successful counter offensive next year. This could cause political change and even a military coup in Russia. Giving up is just not an option for Ukrainian.
Countries should never go to war enless the leaders of the countries are on the front lines. That will stop wars.
It's a nice sentiment but no country could go through war if their leaders were being killed in combat every few weeks. We need leaders as much as you may not like the fact that the leaders are often safe whilst the people die... in times of war you need a leader to unite your country, that job is more important than being 1 more soldier.
One German general said about Nazi Germany after the turning point in the war: the German ship got a hole, and how long it will last depends only on its buoyancy. But it will sink anyway, because it is alone in the middle of the Atlantic. It is the same with Ukraine: she is alone, because it would be better for her not to have such friends who have her.
Thank you Kostya, I totally agree with you on ALL you have said.
Sorry Konstantin but you can't get any long security agreement with country that already gave you security guarantees and then invaded you
No such thing happened, stop making shit up.
@@AscendantStoic guess 1 extra chromosome just doesn't let you to percept reality as it is
@@TollyTolly Says the fucking moron supporting the Nazis in Ukraine .. shut the fuck please.
@@AscendantStoic look under the bed for Ukrainian Nazis
The west also guaranteed no nato movement outside of west Germany
It has always been Ukraines decision whether or not to continue fighting or negotiate; we can only support them with what they need and request for as long as they wish to keep fighting.
Not exactly, as two parties needed to negotiate and putin is not ready to negotiate anything, but complete surrender of Ukraine so far. So the decision to keep fighting back is indeed Ukrainian, but the decision to negotiate is Russian's.
It looked to me like the Ukraine government was willing to negotiate an end to the war in the first few months after the invasion but the US and UK governments pressed them not to. Since my memory sucks, I just asked Perplexity if this was likely and it provided significant documentation that it was the case.
So entitled to other people’s money
@@DuckmanYaHeardFinancially wealthy people usually are. It's hard to understand the common struggles and basic needs people face when you have everything already. Most people care about putting food on the table and providing for their families, not wasting their tax dollars on some pointless war thousands of miles away. At this point I could care less about Ukraine and Russia and their little territorial squabble.
@@histman3133 don't worry if ruskies not stopped you will be drafted at some point
Greedy politicians replaced courage and patriots. 😮
No mention of Putin's threats to use nukes if pushed too hard? On multiple occasions. That's why the slow ramp up, otherwise massive weapons deliveries would have pushed the Russians out. There is a reason why countries pursue nukes. This is a great example why. North Korea and Iran understand this.
both "pursue nukes" so that they can coerce their opponents. defense has nothing to do with it.
Ukraine gave up it's nukes under the West's assurance they don't and won't need it.
@@cladglas eh having nukes makes it significantly more difficult to outwardly be aggressive towards you. In that way, it is defensive.
@@cladglasfriendly reminder there hasn't been a single offensive use of nukes in the history of the earth.
@@bbbbbbb51 i think the people of hiroshima and nagasaki would beg to differ
Cynicism is usually the best response to war.
unless it's your people that are dying
Cynicism is for lazy children who complain about the state of the world but never do anything about it.
Unless of course your country is about to be invaded - then despite your inane quote what would you do - sit at home being cynical - dear me
@@chrisBaxter-ly8or Fine sentiments, until you find yourself stuck in some trench low on ammunition while the rich and powerful plot their next move in the great game, which, at the end of the day is all it is to Putin, Biden, Xi, Sunak, et al. A cynical Ukrainian male of fighting age will have a much longer life expectancy than a brave one, and God only knows what the brave men will have to show for it all if they live.
It's not cowardice, it's collusion.
both
55k in an hour. You, and your supporters, are truly incredible.
I really enjoyed your short conversation about Ukraine and Russia. I always believed there would have to be a peace process .I watched a lot on UA-cam about the conflict last year it was hard to see the truth form the lies .Hope your family ,friends and relation to still doing well❤
880K subscribers is amazing. I remember it being around 10K when I joined the channel, and that was only about 5 years ago. Hope it reaches a million as quickly as possible.
HE LOST ONE TODAY BECAUSE OF THIS VIDEO
I won't fight for a country that treats me like the bogeyman.
Who’s asking you to fight
@@fanfeck2844The point he's making is that if the world don't give a fuck about you, then don't give a fuck for the world... obvious really.
@fanfeck2844 Plenty of suits/high ups in the military repeatedly stated they want people to enlist or have countries conscript if NATO gets hit.
@@Fisthammet if NATO gets hit you’ll have a choice to support your own country or go and fight for a foreign foe, so your choice
@@Fisthammetit’s fine, poor immigrants will enlist. You don’t have to
I am all for a negotiated peace. The problem is there are only two parties who can have meaningful negotiations. It's up to Ukraine or Russia to initiate negotiations. No one else. Anyone thinking otherwise suffers from a case of hubris.
Konstantin I would love if you would speak a bit more on the cowardice of western leadership. I really think this is a bigger problem than we might think.
I understand the premise, but how can we believe anything Russia says? They could start to rebuild their military base again if Ukraine gives territorial concessions, and then we are back to square one.
Or Ukraine. Their leaders are hopelessly corrupt.
They already did. According to US reports the Russian military is 15% bigger than at the start of this war and not just in terms of manpower. They replaced most of the lost equipment as well. Russia currently produces more artillery shells than the US and the EU combined and by a significant margin.
What would Russia gain from a direct engagement with NATO?
@@oliverpasztor788there was no engagement with nato in this invasion, so why would there be when they invade again?
@oliverpasztor788 Putin has said he wants the old Russian empire back, so when he says those words I listen, if he's planning on small incursions in to NATO countries like Lithuania to test NATO readiness and see if we would do anything if he took a small town on the border, we need to disavow him of this notion.
@@panagioti6371 first off, most Ukraine supporters seem to think that Russia will not stop at Ukraine. Also indirectly NATO have been engaged in this conflict for a very long time in an advisory role even on the front line. The Polish general who died in Chasov Yar can attest to that.
Second why would they invade again? They are gaining ground throughout the entire front. If a truce is signed at the moment that would demonstrably benefit Ukraine, because their forces are in much worse shape. There are entire brigades such as the 47th mechanised that flat out refused to hold certain positions in the Avdivka direction. Most of these soldiers have spent more than one year on the front without being rotated out of the combat zone. Russia would give up the initiative, if they agree to negotiate and despite this they seem to be willing to do so, if their terms are met.
You make some good points. (Western leaders being weak).
Conflict is painful and very costly. Ukraine has no choice but to fight.
I agree. It's up to the Ukrainians to decide if they are going to give up and accept Russian occupation.
I disagree. Ukraine had the option to be neutral. It chose sides. It chose the option that presented an existential threat to Russia and now it is paying for being a US and Nato pawn.
@@kevincuyler1707 ok bot. In reality countries are free to choose their alliances. All formerly soviet occupied/oppressed Eastern Europe countries choose to ally with NATO. Have you ever paused and wondered why that is?
@kevincuyler1707 Are you mad?
Please explain what the existential thrwat to Russia is? You maybe don't know this, but Russia has 2K nuclear warheads.
You are a goon, who parrots Russian propaganda because you think that it makes you look edgy and sound smart.....well it doesn't.
@@kevincuyler1707 Because nations with nukes are always afraid of being invaded...🤣
"we made the ukranians fight to get the best possible peace" just about sums it up
Thanks for your explanation regarding your position on Ukraine and the reasoning regarding negotiations and settlement. It feels to me like Ukrainians are pawns and the death toll is horrendous. I wish serious negotiations for peace had been had and many lives spared. You are one of my favorite speakers and analysts.
Why do you naively think that Putin the former KGB officer can be trusted to honor any agreement he makes?
You don't quit in 1916 or 1917. You push on to victory in 1918.
there were no good guys in WW1.
except Ukraine has no way of winning
@@TiGGowich
Stick to your little games and leave wars to those who understand them beyond orcs and elves.
@@Chilly_Billy Ukraine has lost already
@@Chilly_Billy You gutless cowards bet get over there and volunteer real quick because it's basically over😂🤣
I understand your position and I too think, sadly, that this war will end with territorial concessions by Ukraine in exchange for EU and NATO membership. Kind of like South and North Korea situation, where one part is a developed state, and the other is a totalitarian hellhole. However, Putin has absolutely no incentive to get to the negotiation table when he still thinks he can conquer even more Ukrainian land and break Western support. What needs to be done in order for Ukraine to stay Ukraine in any shape or form is a massive support until Putin realizes he has no chance to advance more than he did until now. He needs to realize that capturing a small town while losing 15K soldiers and hundreds of vehicles is not a sustainable war tactic.
You can't force someone like Putin to the negotiation table unless you show him that any further fighting is just not worth it.
🥱 Go fight then.
THERE IS NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE, RUSSIA IS TRYING TO EXTERMINATE THE WHOLE UKRAINIAN CULTURE AND UKRAINE FIGHTS FOR IT'S VERY EXISTENCE. ALL RUSSIA HAS TO DO IS LEAVE UKRAINE INCLUDING CRIMEA, THE ONLY REASON THERE WERE ALLOWED INTO CRIMEA WAS TO PROTECT UKRAINE AND WE FAILED TO PREVENT THIS IN 2014. WHEN RUSSIA INVADED.
If you don't know, Putin offered, asked for negotiations a few times. And it is sad to see that even Konstantin doesn't bring it up. Especially the Istanbul treaty that was almost agreed upon by Zelenskyi and Putin in early 2022, before west sent idiot Boris Johnson to stop Zelenskyi from signing it!! War could've been over ages ago.
it's saint George in England and the police tells knights how they need to live along side the dragon
How people can convince themselves that they can win any war with aid from other nations, given the high cost of war, is something I can't understand despite appreciating your effective communication skills.
Didn’t something like this happen in 1939?
Great, another reference to WWII.
You go and fight for Ukraine then Konstantin.
Are you deaf they can not win it has passed that point
@@turokforever007 so he should have went earlier.
Thanks!
Why did the West prevent Ukraine from agreeing to peace back in March of 2022. Why has this war dragged on? We've destroyed two countries all for the purpose of removing one man. Like the terrible Iraq war which was fought to remove Saddam. Pure stupidity. I supported Ukraine at the beginning but I've always called for a negotiated peace.
How exactly did “they” “forbid” Ukraine from signing peace? This is a pathetic conspiracy theory.
I’d be a lot more inclined to send aid to Ukraine, if my govt would do anything at all to help its own people first. Unfortunately, the US govt refuses to do that one simple thing, so I’m of the opinion that we shouldn’t be helping the rest of the world if we can’t do anything for ourselves. Clean your own room before sending cleaning ladies to the rest of the world.
No, you are using our own people as an excuse. They can do both. It's not either/or.
You think that USA intervened or helped to anyone for charity or because was the right thing? It was always in USA interest first, it just happen that sometimes interest converge and helping someone else is in your interest
@@fredneecher1746 Sorry but no, I'm tired of people from other countries lecturing Americans about "walking and chewing gum at the same time" when almost none of you can even be bothered to meet your miniscule NATO commitments. You don't get to lecture America about what it should do when it has subsidized all your security needs for generations.
Well said however, Putin isn't willing to come to the negotiating table and even if he was they haven't ever kept their side of any agreements with regards to Ukraine. One of the key problems now and even before the war started is the Russian side isn't interested in serious negotiations. It's important to remember that it takes two sides to negotiate. It's impossible to reason with the unreasonable. If anyone remembers just before the war started the Russian foreign ministry demanded that NATO roll back the membership of all NATO states east of Germany. Negotiating away territory for peace now will lead to a situation analogous to 1938 "Peace in our time"... cheers from Kyiv.
If you don't know Ukraine initialed an agreement at Istanbul and backed away you can't comment about peace talks. You had them and you chose to fight for gains instead.
What about the Minsk accords?
@@Pangora2 Russia's demands at those negotiations would have essentially stripped Ukraine of its sovereignty. It's not hard to see why Ukraine chose to fight on. Those talks were essentially an attempt to get Ukraine to capitulate.
What? Putin said is willing to come to the negotiation table months ago. Where are you getting your news from? The reason they started this stupid war was to bring western nations towards negotiation.
That's just delusional nonsense.
Finally, I hear somebody defending supplying Ukraine with what they need to win the war, or at least drive Russia to the negotiating table. Every other blogger out there that I've had to listen to have fallen for populist talking and vague references to justify their positions. They seem to have not only no sense of history but no willingness to understand it.
thank u Konstantin🙂
Zelensky said the next Eurovision would be in Mauriopol? That aged like milk.
Yeah I guess maybe he just doesn’t have a lot of free time these days to think about sh*t like Eurovision. Y’know. Because his country is BEING INVADED.
The loss of so many young lives is surely a far worse deal than they were coming to in March 2022 before Boris shut it down
You are exactly right on this point!
You were wrong in the first place and the blood and treasure expended has weakened the West and strengthened our competitors.
Yep
Do you have a better answer? Ukraine doesn't have the manpower. The West has its own internal issues. We have balkanization going on in spades.
We have approximately half the citizens indoctrinated into hating our own civilization. Then we have invaders who we let in, carving out little "kingdoms". The West was weakened due to the "multiculturalism" lie, grossly mismanaged spending (debt spending), and lastly the ideological/cultural balkanization.
So before spouting off about what we should be doing; get the 🏠 fixed. That means getting those foreign parasites/invaders GONE. Cease debt spending like it is an Olympic sport. And immediately cease the ideological/cultural balkanization.
What blood? West is weak because of people like you. Trump was right. Europe is too weak. Europe neglected military for decades and now we are paying price.
Agreed.
LOL, no!
Gonna call a swing and a miss on this one. So long as Russia holds an inch of their territory, they have every reason to keep fighting. Maybe you think they should just cut their losses, but I don't, especially considering their enemy. Sometimes wars drag on. Sometimes they cost literally millions of lives. That's not a reason to give up. Some causes are worth those millions of lives.
The people aren’t fighting because it’s their choice.
Google the Washington Post’s “In this Ukrainian village, almost no men are left”
The people aren’t fighting because it’s their choice.
Google the Washington Post’s “In this Ukrainian village, almost no men are left”
This was a completely avoidable war. Calling for it to end now is several years and half a million casualties too late. This is such a shame.
"a completely avoidable war" - you are one of the brainless relays of Russian propaganda, aren't you?
I thought that americas reluctance to engage with Ukraine war is because they needed to make sure their resources could be allocated to the South china sea and the free movement in international waters.
the Polish did it 100 years ago, I believe the Ukrainians can do it now... someone was always going to have to shoo the bear away if it got brave enough to venture west again, the fact that it was one of it's neighbors only makes sense... that being said, I hope your family is safe
Historically and strategically illiterate take.
Except there was a civil war happening in Russia at the time. They may have been distracted...
As aPole myself you are talking crap.We owe Ukraine nothing other than humanitarian aid! Nothing! It is a vile gangster state.
THE AID TO UKRAINE IS NOT REALY FREE MONEY .. Its more like buying yourself a new cell phone and giving the old away to your kid, and claiming you gave your kid $2,000 (the price of the new phone) because he now has your old cell phone and you have the new one !!!
NOW LET ME EXPLAIN
The aid is not pallets of cash. It’s in the form of military equipment, assigned a value, that is donated,”. “That equipment is usually older and would be replaced in the next few years anyway, at a cost. I’m sure she doesn’t understand this.”
Still, the largest bucket of overall U.S. aid committed to Ukraine - more than $46 billion, is military support in the form of equipment NOT cash !!
The military equipment has been pulled directly from existing U.S. military old SURPLUS inventory that has a shelf date that soon will be past that date ; and will be needing replacement anyway this way US. gets to restock its military equipment with more newer updates versions and send the soon to by out of date to Ukraine and as a bonus US. military saves the money it will have used for destroying the old military equipment as well !!
Also it is true other parts of the Aid / funding will be used to purchase new weapons and this will be sent to Ukraine; but all sales must be and will be bought from the US industrial complex industry and American manufacturers; this supports local American communities in states (over 33 states ) that produce weapon's this helps marginalized communities and sates get a solid cash influx / bust into their local economy and supports jobs within the factors that will be producing those new weapons.-.
(So the money doesn't go into the pockets of Zelensky and fiends thats a myth pumped out by Russian propaganda and regurgitated by "pathetic tools" of the kremlin like Tucker Carlsen )
Members of Congress have questioned how closely the U.S. is tracking its aid to Ukraine to ensure that it is not subject to fraud or ending up in the wrong hands.
The Pentagon’s inspector general told lawmakers at a hearing, that his office has found no evidence of such corruption or wrongdoing, but cautioned that investigations are only in their early stages.
The Pentagon’s inspector general also informed the Members of Congress that despite claims to the contrary, the United States is not sending bags of unaccounted-for cash to Ukraine. Most US contributions go to military aid, including weapons and equipment made by American defense contractors who employ communities across the country. When the United States spends money to purchase military equipment as part of an international aid package, the materiel may go overseas, but the money and jobs stay in America. Similarly, appropriations for the US Foreign Military Financing program provide incentives for NATO allies and partners to secure US-made capabilities. This translates to more business for US companies and sustained employment for rural communities in which they operate.
For instance, Lockheed Martin, maker of the HIMARS-which has been central to Ukraine’s counteroffensive-plans to increase its Camden, Arkansas facility’s workforce by 20%, and recently announced increased profit projections through the end of the year. Similarly, General Dynamics has committed to building new production facilities in Mesquite, Texas, bringing money and jobs to the region. Change like this takes place only when the Pentagon sends strong and stable market signals to the defense industry, giving it the confidence to expand and hire.
In short, the numbers suggest that continued support for Ukraine is a win-win for Ukrainians and the American people.
The United States can continue to defend stability and democratic governance across the globe, while at the same time boosting American industrial output and advancing US economic interests.
So like i have said; This is more like buying yourself a new cell phone and giving the old away to your kid, and claiming you gave your kid $2,000 (the price of the new phone) because he now has your old cell phone and you have the new one !!! ITS A WIN WIN !!
thank you mate you're a legend thank you thank you thank you you know what for
Wars do not end when you want them to.
Hi Konstantin.
I think you're overall a smart and reasonable guy, but I strongly disagree with your point of view here.
Why do you feel so strongly about this conflict having to end at the negotiation table? Had Putin given you the idea that negotiating and making agreements with him is a good idea? To me it's abundantly clear that he wipes his arse with them whenever he feels like it. The Budapest memorandum, Minsk agreements and countless other lies come up mind.
Do we really want to reward a brutal and murderous regime for their invasions, with land concessions? This sure worked wonders when Chamberlain tried this with Hitler. Appeasment is only seen as weakness by people like him. Weakness that should be exploited.
Let's also not forget about the local Ukrainians themselves, and what has happened to them in occupied territories. Mass executions of civilians. Mass deportations of children.
I very much doubt they want an agreement of "peace". Let's not forget that Putin does not at all seem interested in negotiating right now, because he wants much more territory than he has right now.
A Russian victory, of any size, will be a massive blow to Western credibility in general, and will encourage the Chinese to invade Taiwan, and Russia to do who knows what. We'll be in much deeper shit.
It's true that the west needs to step up, a lot, to support Ukraine. But by the looks of it, this is in fact what is happening, on both sides of the Atlantic. Britain today announced it would move to a war footing. Many other Europeans are waking up and stepping up as well. The Americans just approved the massive aid bill. The combined financial power, and military potential of the west is no match for Russia, given enough time.
It's true that Russia is currently the stronger fighting party, with the momentum and numbers. But they can be defeated, even on Ukrainian territory, as had happened to the Germans in the first world war. They were attrited until they realized they could not keep up with the financial and military might of the allies.
Peace... Through victory.
Ukraine cant defeat Russia. To believe otherwise is delusional.
@@bassandtrebleclefthey can. Russians do not value human life. As such, they use ancient Soviet meat wave attacks, losing far more men then Ukraine.
As for equipment. Russians a resorting to pulling 1950's tanks out of storage. RU equipment is getting worse and worse, while UA's is getting better and better. Western tech is far superior.
Now, even if Ukraine still cannot defeat Russia with material and financial support. Fine, we'll join the fight. France is already making preparations. NATO airpower alone should be enough to defeat the orcs.
his wife is ukrainian and he's a russia hater, there's a huge bias here
What a dark and evil comment@@bassandtrebleclef
@@beerman204prehaps but it’s almost certainly true
Well said, Sir.
They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
As a ukrainian myself, born and raised, I had to agree with Konstantin's point here. We probably could have achieved securing our internationally recognised borders, theoretically, if only this result would be desirable for other powers except of our immediate neighbours. The two biggest help contributors for Ukraine - the US and Germany - provide amounts which are barely enough to keep the frontline stabilised, despite having much higher capabilities. Since Ukraine lacks recourses to achieve the ultimate goal by own means, and since there is little belief left to get sufficient help, there is no better option on the table then hope to end the war by the lines we keep now. Every new day of continuing at this point brings only death and destruction.
The believe in idealistic "Civilized and Mighty Democratic West" is dying hard in ukrainian people, and I believe it's for good. The "trading nuclear arsenal for security guarantees" mistake should not and never will be repeated. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Is Russia even willing to negotiate a peace deal? Even if they accepted would you trust them not to just build up and invade again? Why would they not? They did it before?
Also isn’t negotiating a peace deal showing them that invading countries works? And will just empower them to do it again?
@@panagioti6371 I believe a lot of russians would be happy to start the negotiations in any given moment, thou Putin probably wants to keep sending troops as long as it helps to get more land and better positions for future peace talks before the certain stalemate.
And there will not be any "trust" even after the war's end, that's for sure. The only real guarantee for Ukraine's sovereignty will be it's own military power. Some defence agreements also would be helpful - I think Poland, Lithuania and Romania should be interested - but I strongly doubt that the US-led NATO would let Ukraine in at anytime soon. It should became so well prepared, that the cost of new invasion would become too high to bother.
Considering your last question, I think that, unfortunately, it is. The Pandora Box was opened, and only a new global security agreement, which would involve and leave satisfied all the major powers, could close it again, at least for a short time.
@@barnaba24 Yes you make good points, I do agree that it does seem in Ukraines best interest to negotiate a peace deal and then hopefully form a defensive alliance with other countries in danger.
However, that is a if within an if within an if.
If you can get Russia to even considering negotiating, and not just bulldozing because they know they will win.
If you can even come to an agreement that doesn’t cripple or destroy Ukraine in other ways anyway.
If you can then form a defensive alliance with other countries
If they honor it when the time comes.
However, I do not think the current situation is any better. It’s risk negotiations and peace deals, or certainly face destruction
@@panagioti6371 I agree with you, totally valid points. I would like to only comment that I am sure that pretty much everyone moreso competent in the russian army's high command realises that they are unable to capture any major city, and they could only change a few more hundred thousends lifes for some villages and hamlets. The one who has left to be convenced is Putin himself.
It's with a sad heart we see these men die in hope of freedom they heard existed on the other side of a war.
/UnAn0n
We cant risk WW3 for Ukraine unfortunately...
They did come to the negotiating table.. and US and UK sabotaged the negotiations.
Funny how no one mentions this either.
Source?
Lies. Russia offered UA zero security guarantees and this was after Russia invaded after swearing it wasn’t going to do so. But let’s trust Putin 😂
@@joefratianni8693because it’s a lie. Russia offered zero security guarantees and zero concessions. Also, it’s funny how you clowns were saying Putin wasn’t goin to invade for weeks prior to the obvious assault
@@AndreAngelantoni Angela Merkel's public confession about the Minsk accords being nothing than a Western ruse to give Ukraine time to rearm against Russia?
Or Boris Johnson's televised visit to Zelensky, urging him to fight on despite Russia offering ceasefire and peace negotiations early on, pledging near unlimited Western support?
Or how about the Maidan coup, which was clearly a US backed color revolution, initiated in 2014 and managed personally by Victoria Nuland until recently? You know, the event which started 10 years of low intensity conflict in the separatist border regions of Ukraine/Russia?
The West (aka. the USA and its auxiliaries) has initiated this conflict against Russia's sphere of interest and done everything in its power to escalate the whole thing over at least a decade, while systematically preventing any early diplomatic solution. As a result, the blood of over half a million Ukrainians is now on their hands. And more are yet to follow.
I get the inkling that emotions have gotten to Konstantin on this one, people just can't help it, even the best of them; similar to Gad Saad and Ben Shapiro on Israel. When there's some personal attachment to the topic, they can't just set it aside. They might still be able to make coherent points, but on these issues I just think the other sides arguments are more convincing.
Honestly as an American, I support Ukraine, but I just want people to understand why many Americans aren’t as eager to jump in as we used to be. We constantly see conflicts on the news telling the American people that we HAVE to help. It happened with Afghanistan only for nothing good to come of it. Weapons aren’t enough to win a war anymore. Having social support is more important. The American people are fighting each other over Israel and Palestine now and I can’t help but wish for the U.S. to just stop getting involved. I don’t believe Ukraine is the same kind of conflict and I think it is important to defend our Allie’s, but for many people it just seems like we keep entering forever wars so it’s hard to get as patriotic as we used to be. Patriotism in the U.S. is at an all time low because many people simply don’t believe we can help anyone. It feels like politicians are just using these wars to get rich and having citizens die in conflicts that never should have happened in the first place.
This shit show could have been over but they won't let them win
Russia's tactic is whining till they win. That's according to plan. ;-)
Ukraine violated 2 peace agreements (Minsk 1 in 2014, Minsk 2 in 2015) and famously backed out of a 3rd peace agreement (Turkey in 2022) after Russia withdrew troops to conduct it, at the behest of the West in Boris Johnson.
What happened to the city of Debaltsevo a week after the signing of the second Minsk agreements and who owned it at the time of signing these agreements? You are an ignorant licker of Putin's boots.
I must say that he has a strong point here.... Although, that peace might be more difficult to negotiate than anybody thinks right now
Spot on!
We always try to fight wars without commitment. It never works.
Russia may end up weaker. Ukraine may end up another Afghanistan.
Truth is, Russia is burning through its stockpiles at an alarming rate. If NATO could maintain 0.5% GDP worth of support, they would stomp Putin into the ground in a year.
It's not a war with 'inevitable territorial concessions'. It's a war where the level and consistency of support lead to the status quo.
This is factually wrong. Russian reserves and military personnel are now higher than at the start of the war. Don't take my word for it. Research it yourself.
@@m4inlineyou can literally look at satellite photos of Russian weapons stockpiles, they are more than half empty - and the best stuff gets used first.
Russian has 3.5% growth. Being detached from the debt markets has energised their own economy.. the sanctions have acted as protectionism for their own industries.
@@Lashb1ade like i said, research it yourself. Your statement is incorrect.
Financial reserves and stockpiles are lower than in 2022. Military personnel numbers are hard to confirm.
3.5% growth in GDP terms is lower than before the war. Also, Putin spent 30-50% of state budget on the military and police in 2023 (as compared to about 20% before the war). Military production is counted in GDP.
The problem is why would Russia negotiate now? They know Ukraine will break and they can get whatever they want after that. The latest US aid package will be the last, Russia can afford to wait 2 or 3 more years of warfare, Ukraine cannot.
No probably not. We had the chance years ago and blew it. If you saw the Tucker Putin interview to me he basically said he wouldn’t negotiate at this point with the upper hand
Well said...
You guys ever think of maybe talking to people who are actually here in Ukraine? 😂
Hard to take someone seriously with a display name like yours.
Did you miss the part where he points out he has family in friends in Ukraine he regularly talks to?
So what part of Russia are you from, and how many power stations have you attacked today?
@@eb-pe8xg We're awaiting the interviews. "I know a guy, but I will tell you what he thinks." How many of the extended family feel the same? Are they rural or liberal city dwellers? We know nothing about them.
The ones that attacked people for 8 years or the ones that were getting attacked?
It'd be as one sided as Konstantins opinion . . .
Not here to dispute any of your points from the video, but we have to admit that Ukraine (and rather its leadership) has done itself no favours with the high level of corruption. It is hardly surprising that western tax payers were sceptical to send aid to Ukraine when its own military officials didn’t care and would rather cash in on the opportunity.
Are the Ukrainian people corrupt? And what business is it of Russia if the Ukrainian *government* is ? It's always been corrupt since it became independent in 1991, everyone knows that. Aren't you using this government corruption to justify not helping the Ukrainian people? Because it's the people who are being killed, not the government.
I'm, as Ukranian, admire Konstantin in his support of the Ukranian position. Debating many voices in the west, strongly encourages not giving to pro-puting narratives, with knowing details and counter sides to a position or situation.
Just want to say thank you. There is a lot of russian influence in media, social presence, and even in government positions that create confusion and leave some citizens misled and unclear about Ukraine support. Thank you and your program for that.
I'd like to appreciate his stand and strong position on this question.
Разом переможемо!
Since when did fighting to the last ukrainian become a conspiracy theory? Alot of people are on record saying that we had to support Ukraine's fight to prevent Russia and the US from coming into direct conflict. Congressman Dan Crenshaw said that on his podcast. Their goal was to turn Ukraine into another afghanistan. They did that very well.
“Since when” - from the moment this became the main thesis of Russian propaganda. The funny thing is that you can resist the insidious plan of the world government to wage war with the blood of Ukrainians by demanding that the Ukrainians be provided with real assistance in the necessary volumes to create an overwhelming technological advantage... but something tells me that you will not choose this path.
Milley gave the Afghanistan comparison as well very early on in the war but it’s a “conspiracy”🙄. The West got exactly what they wanted.
Because your statement is nonsensical , purposefully so. Supporting a country defending itself doesn’t = fighting to the last Ukrainian. Also, since when is living under a violent military occupation where civilians are routinely tortured and killed equivalent to peace ? Google some Ukrainian history. Moscow killed millions of them in the 1930 s during a time of peace
Why do you support Putin fighting to the last Russian ? See how dumb you sound
@@adamh2957 yes. The west is the one that wants to “ reunite Russian peoples that were falsely separated “ 🤡🤡 god you pro Russian war mongers love to twist reality
KK talks sense there should be negotiations to end this conflict. However what he fails to mention is Russia and Ukraine already had negotiations on April 2022 and reached a draft treaty. Ok it would’ve meant Ukraine not joining NATO but it was a workable deal. Unfortunately the West scuppered this deal and insisted Zelensky fight on.
Why dont you read what russia was demanding, before you make uninformed statements you read on the internet?
"Russia and Ukraine already had negotiations on April 2022 and reached a draft treaty."
Wrong.
Russians and Ukrainians met and Russia presented an ultimatum. The acceptance would mean the end of Ukraine as an independent state.
@@renemagritte8237And now the only way it will end is with unconditional surrender. Hell of a deal🤔 It’s only made Russia stronger, strengthen their ties to China, killing the European economy, and is leading to a new currency. Dance with the devil and this is what you get. Thanks Victoria Nuland and the neocon warmongers here in the states.
@@renemagritte8237 that’s just not the case. Turkish communiques and the then Israeli Prime Minister independently verified the two sides were on the verge of a workable treaty and had already appendixes to a the draft. Crimea would remain Russian, Ukraine would remain neutral but hostilities would end. This terrified NATO who saw their plans of Black Sea control thwarted. Boris Johnson immediately dispatched to Ukraine to scupper the deal. Tragic
@@Andy-ub3ub already know what Russia was demanding. Crimes to remain under Russian control and for Ukraine to remain a neutral state.
Well said
IMAO Valid point, but the overly long paid ads dilute the issues.
Cue the stab in the back myth. Ukraine wasn't stabbed in the back, it was fed into a meat grinder. Ukraine never had a chance in the war, and it had all the security it could need from Minsk 1 and 2, but those were ignored. The war has been a predictable and completely avoidable bloodbath.
Bravo and Touche. Yes.
@@Nexus-hh1lx Thanks.
Yes, Russia should have never instigated an insurgency and then later invaded Ukraine. Putin is a murderous sociopath.
Much as I agree with the cowardice-condemnations, the "territorial consessions in exchange for peace" proposal is beyond stupid -- because Russia will rebuild its military and come back again. No, it must be defeated -- to the point, where they think, they've been defeated. Starting the war must be considered a mistake -- and it will not be, if Russia is allowed to keep even a square mile of what it conquered.
I wonder where one can buy those drugs you are taking. This is the delusional kind of thinking that left a hundred thousands or more ukrainian fathers dead and it will be for nothing in the end. You can shout "No it must be defeated" into the wind for as long as you wish, reality will not warp itself just because you are unable to cope and adapt to real world situations.
Unless you litterally start ww3 russia will not be defeated by ukraine. That was always obvious to litterally anyone who had a few functioning brain cells. Yes the russian army seemed surprisingly incompetent at the start, they don't look like that anymore. And just by sheer manpower and equipment even the that originally incompetent army would always win in the end. You can send all the weapons you want to ukraine, there simply aren't enough hands left to pick them up at some point.
I live in Dnipro. We’re being heavily bombed right now. And I agree with each and every word you’ve said.
We are in the age of "Stupid"
Any comment on the deluge of nazi insignia and symbols sported by Ukrainians?
We are living in the atomic age: courage doesn't defend you against nukes no matter how hard you want it to
So we shouldn't stand for anything because then other guy has nuclear weapons? We also have nuclear weapons to level the playing field so that we don't have to bow to anyone else. If we should be weary of Russia's nukes, they also need to be mindful of our own.
@@chrismarshall25 The NATO pact has pretty clear red lines that have served us well since 1948. That's hardly 'standing for nothing' is it?
When the “Libertarians” say the highest value is self interest how can you have courage?
Go fight, Kisin. Men power is what Ukraine lacks the most right now.
You expressed my exact thoughts. I was happy that Ukraine withheld the initial aggression and I thought that triumph will be used to push for negotiations. Putin was made to realize that Ukraine will not fall but had to be given a bone with which to claim victory at home. Instead Macron and all those realists were being mocked. I am asking people who say that not a single palm of land should be given to Ukraine: "where were you between 2014 and 2022, when Moscow occupied de-facto Luhansk and Donetzk and Crimea?". People still war-monger but meanwhile tens, hundreds of thousands of lives - on both sides - are being sacrificed for some unrealizable ambitions.
Even if, after 10 yrs of draining the Russian war machine, Ukraine "wins" - what will they be winning? A destroyed country, dead economy, population halved - just 26-27 mil remain. If the war had been stopped in 1 yr, most would have returned - but after 5 or 10 yrs people planted roots elsewhere and few will return.
Ukraine already had non aggression packt with Russia before this war, why would they give anything for another one? What makes you think that Putin would respect any peace agreements now?
@@KraszuPolis Putin, in my view, is a pragmatic - and goes after he thinks he can achieve. The rushed US withdrawal from Afghanistan and the information from 2021 (where 80% of Ukrainians said they would not fight for the corrupt government) made him think that Ukraine is an easy target. Then he found out it's not - and has been asking since for a reason to withdraw. Zely refused to meet with him in Turkey after it became clear that Ukraine will not fold (thinking that "not folding" is the same with winning).
I am from Romania - my parents keep on talking about Moldavia coming next etc. I do not buy the general MSM view that Putin is Hitler and Ukraine is Czechoslovakia in 1938.
I answered your question. Now answer me this - why would Ukraine and the West not give up the Eastern regions which were already Putin's (for 8 yrs)? Btw - I still remember that Putin used the 50-something Russians killed in Crimeea - for which no Ukrainian was sentenced - in 2014 as a casus-belli to invade then. Do you still remember that? (not saying it is justified but that it was Ukraine and their nasty anti-minority laws that gave him the pretext).
@@andivalachi8247 Russia was always making claims about how they have to save oppressed Russians as an excuse to start a war. What did Putin even offer as a peace proposition, what guarantees he wanted to give?
There was allot of talks between Ukraine representatives, and Russian representatives I didn't hear anything from them that would suggest that Putin is looking for exit. He is ex KGB member who said in the past that collapse of USSR was a tragedy, it is consistent with the war that he started now.
Sadly, I have to disagree with you on this one.
"Territorial concessions for long-term peace" is only a thing if you consider "until the current Russian leader realizes they could use another war to consolidate the populace" long-term. The only way "peace" makes sense is if the West uses pause (and lessons from, frankly, the defeat) the same way Ukraine used theirs after the Battle of Debaltseve (at least under Pres. Poroshenko). But that's not "peace", but a "ceasefire".
Lmao Biden is weak because he is weak
Outstanding move!
we live in an ear of Chamberlains in the West
Oh god I am sick to death of historical illiterates repeating the same old tired lie about Chamberlain. Actually bother to research it before ever using this line ever again.
Care to enlighten me or just keep shouting?
@@dom8338 Seeing as how you can’t be bothered to look it up yourself I will indulge you.
Chamberlain knew several things. Firstly he knew war with Germany was a case of if not when. Secondly he knew that the British people had no appetite for the war as WW1 was still very much in living memory. Thirdly he knew that the British military in 1938 was completely incapable of fighting such a war and so to do so was complete folly and if we had gone to war in 1938 we would have been utterly trounced and Germany would have won. Finally he knew that even if we had been able there was no physical way we could have got forces to Czechoslovakia in time or in sufficient numbers to make any difference whatsoever.
So he did the best thing he could which was to play for time. This did a number of things. Firstly it reassured a war weary nation that there would be no repeat of 1914-18. Secondly it lulled Germany in to thinking we would not stand in their way. And thirdly, and most importantly, it gave us time to build the military up to a level that could actually stand a chance. If you think the army in 1940 during the Fall of France was subpar just think how bad it would have been in 1938 if chamberlain had done what people like you think he should have done
Now here is the really important bit. He stood down in 1940 due to ill health and died shortly after. Because he wasn’t around to defend himself he became a convenient scapegoat to blame. And that myth has since passed in to history as the unadulterated truth and people just take it at face value.
Hope this helped.
@@emceedoctorb3022 Chamberlain, however, sacrificed an ally for the sake of his safety and yes, he sincerely hoped that by satisfying Hitler’s territorial claims he would be able to appease him. The destruction of Czechoslovakia by Germany after the surrender of the Sudetenland region was a shock for him as well as for the others.
But he was not completely naive; in the end, he pushed through a significant increase in the military budget, as you indicated.
@@user-wm5rt9pw5l He didn't sacrifice him for his own safety. He 'sacrificed' Czechoslovakia because he knew that to get involved at that point was utterly futile! Britain was simply in no position to stand against Germany in 1938. It could be argued that we weren't really able to in 1940 but at least we were in a far better position. If Chamberlain had got involved in 1938 the end result would have still been the same for Czechoslovakia but in the wider context it would have been far worse in the long run as Britain would have been effectively taken out of the equation later on.
Well said, KK!
He sounds like an idiot, America should like Europe deal with this.
Speaking about "cowards"...when will you interview 'Tommy Robinson'?