You cant have an EV charger in your garage....
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- The message many consumers receive from energy retailers and manufacturers delivering EV charge point installations.
When really it is possible, it just involves the work of an electrician!
We have other issues around new build homes in the UK that make this way harder than it should be. I mean why put the consumer unit in the middle of the house via a submain? Making access to it very very hard. Why ram a meter cabinet with such terrible cable termination. Why no provision for more than a 2.5mm submain to a double detached garage on a house sold in 2024?
The sums do not add up, or maybe they do and thats the problem!
We did our best to rework something that wasnt in the best shape and deliver a solution the customer wanted with a view towards what is to come.
We are really excited to bring renewable power to this home in 2025 even if the developers require payment/grant permission to install said equipment. Madness in the drive to net zero.
This could be so much better without any real costs in the grand scheme of building a house.
If you would like to work with electricians who can solve these problems and relish the challenge then please do get in touch.
www.powersonic.co
Don’t these house builders want to even pretend the houses they build are EV ready? UK is stuck in the dark ages, why isn’t a new development 3 phase. I think you did a great job provisioning for future battery and or solar.
It's not even that much more expensive for basic provision during construction. So it makes no sense.
Neat and tidy alteration in that meter cabinet + it's now in safer working condition with those exposed copper cables replaced - A1.
That's the thing a few seem to have missed. Was potentially deadly regardless of setup etc. Good spot
As of June 2022, new buildings in Great Britain are required to have electric car charging points according to the Part S Building Regs - both for residential and commercial properties. The legal requirement also extends to major renovations of buildings with ten parking spaces.
So why are so many new builds not doing them? If the plans for the building were drawn up before June 2022 then they can get away with not installing them.
Absolitley most are working from plans pre 2018 atm
I enjoyed the video and it is good to be made aware of all the options out there and the high standards you should expect from the installer. But the title through me as my EV charger is installed in my garage and I was wondering what the issue might be, but at least it made me watch till the end 🤣😂
Wow…. That new existing installation….. The Trained Electrician / Money must be so proud of sub standard work.
New build. Govt regulation strikes again. No quality measures.
@8:56. If you don't use the old garage supply as a part of the solar install it may come in useful under a vehicle to load situation with a couple of dedicated sockets in the house to use if there is a power outage.
Yes those technologies are coming. You never know
Had to do something very similar for our EV install in detached garage in a new build, involved digging up some patio to run new cable as the existing garage sub-board only has a 16A fuse for lights and sockets. Until the Gov regulates on this, lazy/cost-cutting developers will not change their ways
It's ridiculous that new build homes are still being thrown up with 2.5mm feeds to detached garages. I've had to do the same thing myself in the same way. The EV and PV markets are screwed though - too many fly-by-night installers doing the Octopiss method of stapling stuff to the wall in a way that might well work, for now, but is ugly, nasty and will cause homeowners problems in the future. The trouble is, every EV owner thinks they're an electrical expert and their forums/videos are full of comments on how chargepoints should be cheap and easy to fit with any spark charging more than a hundred quid over the price of a Zappi being a con man.
The cult of EV has brewed up elements of society that are frankly horrid. EV experts being one of those.
It's like we spend decades training to understand how to do our jobs. But Brian from IT has it sussed after registering in the Facebook home automation group and unless we are prepared to agree with him we are out to rip him off 🤣.
Thankfully some see the value like this awesome customer did.
@6:25. If neatness is paramount then get a hockey stick pipe to match the other two to leave it super neat.
We did think of a hockey stick however with every action comes a reaction. CCC being the case on that.
That said more changes are coming around this during the solar phase of work 😉
Not a negative comment on what you have done but why don’t we just start fitting another inset meter box.
Absolutely and that's the point of the video mate. We need better provision so this bollox doesn't have to be a thing.
@@electrician247 I had it a while ago and just fitted one next to the existing one. You are defo right though “this sh*t needs sorting out.
@@JasperJanssenonly thing I can think of is U values. I would probably suggest better security on them.
@JasperJanssen would require a lintel in the wall for close proximity. Would also require approval for the site owner for aesthetics on the estate. We have been down this road having had an estate of 300 homes corrected in similar circumstances. What seems sensible and simple often isn't when done retrospectively. Much easier ways when initial designs are considered and done correctly. For example the solar we have proposed here requires approval from the site developers due to aesthetics and look of the estate. Who knew. 🧐😉
@darrenplant1428 a far simpler way is a bugger area more suited to services. Extra boxes on the wall are sticking plasters imho. No excuses on new build. Nice plant room for services. Could even be in the garage 🤷♂️. So many options to do it properly and yet what is shown in this video is the default around the UK. Shocking if you ask me.
Commendable that you have shared this. Shame on Efixx for suggestions they stopped this single handed. Nothing at all related towards selling outdoor consumer units.
So did they force the ENA & DNOs to come to this position?
@rednammoc no but it seems perhaps they think so 🤷♂️
Prefer to keep it on the topic my friend. What others do is outside my control. I'm trying to avoid calling out specific brands, energy retailers and content creators in the hope the core problem can be solved. Surely that's more important than who is right or wrong or who sells what.
It's an interesting point about the DNOs and ENA. Not all are aligned and tbh they have bigger fish to fry.
So it's up to building regs, property owners, developers and electricians to sort out what is currently absolute nonsense.
Simply shouldn't be a thing imho. We had a 300 home estate a few years ago corrected and I am inclined to go down that road again here.
Outdoor consumer unit? That’s really really dumb idea.
Zaptec coms with a charger to grid just waiting for that one Thanks for you video Pro have a nice day regards from Holland
Love your work but as a meter installer that sort of thing makes me cry and leads to loads of job aborts due to lack of space. Safety notice left and customer most likely hacked off at possible major expense looming🤷♂️
Not in this meter box. DNO approved and regardless smart meter fitted. Loads more space than prior so making your job easier 😉.
I would like to see what the safety notice stated. That could put a meter operator in potential hot water and expense. Be interested to see a copy if you don't mind. Fire it over to mark@powersonic.co in confidence. The only party with no ownership of that space is the meter operator so I understand and feel the pain. But that kind of approach is what leads to poor outcomes for consumers. We need a collaborative approach and ultimately that involves more space for all 💪
@JasperJanssen That isn't quite true plenty of space for future metering. More than prior to this adjustment. If meter operators require more room in the future perhaps the core problem will be solved 😉.
We have measured the space post and prior to our work alongoing with the codes in terms of electrical safety. All sit on the side of our work perfectly aligned with the DNO area engineer and property owner. Done and done. Pop that in the expert on the Internet inbox and process it for me 💪
There's no such thing as going over board when it comes to new consumer boards. Especially when its over a couple of pounds.
I’m in an 11 year old house with detached garage, with a 2.5 mm cable to the garage, which is fed by a 13A fuse switched spur on the kitchen circuit. In the garage, where it hits another fused switch with lighting and two double sockets fed with no consumer unit. The cabling in the meter box was also badly damaged and EDF took it upon themselves to downgrade the cut out fuse during a meter swap. Now playing ping pong between EDF and the DNO to get resolved. Frustratingly, I did specify a 40A garage circuit when we bought off plan as I was thinking ahead. Shame the developer knew best! Now getting a charger installed as part of an offer when buying a car, which is proving fun as it is being contracted out, not once, but twice. Found out was going to install it and as they are known for cowboy work, asked for it to be assigned to another contractor. As this is taking ages to resolve, I am now getting quotes from local, highly rated electricians as even if I miss out on the ‘free’ install, the value of my property via having a much cleaner and safer install will be better.
Absolutely. Value is absolutely key and speaking personally on my own home I'm happy to pay more to find better value.
I thought that the cut-out was the DNO's property. I didn't think that a meter operator was allowed to replace the fuse?!
@@rugbygirlsdadg Some are now SAP approved and at the request of DNOs are down rating meter fuses during meter upgrades. Very common sadly.
Good job. The supply is 80A. The original setup had a 63A main DP C Type MCB, good idea but only 63A not using all the power available. Question. Why was the MCB changed to a main _fuse_ rather than retain MCB C type protection?
As an aside, the French have a main 300-500 mA RCBO/combined main switch called a *_Disjoncteur différentielle (DF)._* The DF is important as it means it gives earth leakage AND overload protection, (RCBO in the UK). Not to be confused with an _Interrupteur différentiel (ID),_ which is the same as an RCD in the UK. The French are ahead of us.
Primarily to allow for selectivity on short circuit faults. Any such fault within the installation would most likely have taken out said MCB alongside the affected final circuits. Fuses allow for greater selectivity to avoid that. Which is why 63A MCB was utilised to provide that from the suppliers fuse. Thanks
@@electrician247
Thx Mark. 17 available amps are not being used. Are 75A fuses available? Then an extra 12 amps can be used with fuse selectivity maintained. The C type gives the selectivity.
Combine in one box:
1) C curve 63A DP MCB, but 70A are available.
2) Wylex WRMT 100/2 100A 100mA 2 Pole Time Delayed RCD. (can be used as main incomer as contact gap more than 4mm).
Getting common in the UK especially in flats, and a way of getting near the French way of total system protection.
@@johnburns4017 Sadly C curve does not offer selectivity in that way on short circuit faults. The graphs overlap to closely. ElectricalOM is great tool to show this.
Time delayed is not allowable for OCPD on the submain to CU. It would require protection for short circuit and overload. It could be used in conjunction with a Fuse and MCB though. Fuse and MCB sizes are generally 63A then 80A.
The other benefit of fuses is the max Zs value. MCBs are not so generous and this was actually out of scope as installed.
@@electrician247
_"It could be used in conjunction with a Fuse and MCB though"_
Do you mean RCD rather than MCB?
Nothing wrong with that all good job 👍
Mark what clamp is that on the swa cable please
Tenby clamp
You mean the jubilee clip ???
@@authuruksake969 I think they mean the Tenby clamp the earth's bolt on to on the swa rather than the jubilee itself. Common in lamp posts
Was that 6mm² 5 core
No lol. Hardly likely to run a gateway 😉
@electrician247 what size cable is it 63a feeding cu so 10mm , looks small in the video but can't really tell ,
Smaller penny washers needed mark ;)
Not in this case lol
I would like to know what meter operative and supplier would have let you tamper with metering equipment! stop putting other electrical controls in meter cupboards that you electricians have to authority to do so. As many metering engineers have experienced and have previously said it ends up being an aborted job due to the customers sparks filling up the metering cupboard and leaving no space for a new meter. which comes in different shapes and sizes.
Did you notice the equipment already in the meter cabinet? Maybe rewind and watch again. Metering engineers need to stop causing problems out of nothing and start engineering to best serve consumers rather than themselves. An epedemic of failure largely sat in a lack of skills. Perhaps the simplest solution is for meter engineers to not be a thing and leave it to the DNO and electricians? As was the case here. Harmony achieved and a consumer best served.
As for tampering... What exactly has being tampered with? The meter is exactly as it was installed as is the service head.
Do better Nick.
Great video. Just a small point..... the Zappi isn't an EV charger, it's a charge point. The charger is in the car.
I think we all know that but thanks.
Just a small point, Phil, you are a weapon.
Cowboy install 😮😮 you can’t install customers fuse boards in the meter box ! It’s for DNO and supplies equipment only as per network energy association.
Should have installed meter box next to it dedicated to the customers equipment ! EFIXX went through all has on their channel last year
Incorrect. Try harder and maybe be less rude.
Mick needs to do more research than Efixx. A myth created to shift outdoor consumer units.
The ENA have issued guidance for DNOs. Most have internal standards and policies which at the end of the day are unenforceable.
I know I work for one.
Also I agree with Mr. MARKO unnecessarily rude. Manners cost not very much.
mickspparks, It was a main switch not a fuse board (CU).
@@twitchlightning8377
I have a box which I own in my home and some outside body says I cannot fit anything inside even thought it is safe and conforms to regs? Internal standards and policies are meaningless.
@@johnburns4017 ownership is a grey area in some eyes. My view is we have to provide an area for DNOs and meter owners to site equipment. So long as that is done and they can maintain it job done for me. If they are not able to work alongside electricians and consumers in achieving that we are in trouble tbh. Things like this need resolution so we all have plenty of room. Hopefully developers change ways.
Why not show properly how the cables were brought up and over and into the zappi?
Because that is pretty boring and tbh simple. We have countless videos of that process on the channel should you wish to see that very limited and rather mundane aspect.
We might revisit that during the solar and battery storage works.
If you would like to see specific content, make it in exactly that way yourself.
Thanks.
@@electrician247 or because it was probably thrown in any old way and I wonder if yous met the min depth for the SWA and covered it in tape/ribbon to indicate a cable was burried in the stones?
Just saying the “boring “ stuff to you doesn’t help people who haven’t a clue or can’t see full work! All you showed was a cable put in, a new fuseboard, updated the meter cabnite a bit and the zappi working nothing else educational wise 🤷♂️