trust me guys, this thing currently aint op. it just has crazy burst damage, thats it. if it keeps on deleting targets then it isnt because the carrier is op but the opposing carrier is a complete potato. as a shokaku captain, the graf zeppelin is now my favorite carrier to face because all the fighter fights can be won easily ( even if you just lock)
jim hendrix let it be said knowing what to do vs not knowing heightens your chances of survivability greatly.......I can't play cv well to save my life....but staying close to something else with any amount of aa (or even just defensive fire since that one poor sod in a Molotov wants to survive as much as anyone else) helps......a lot......that being said if you face this and another carrier and they throw everything they have........your doomed......but look at wot arty.....same deal but at least you can react to the carriers. Also carriers are kinda rare so more often than not saying a cv is op is a moot point......I'll shut up now :3
the fact that this thing has a full alphastrike of 150,000 vs t10 haku's 100,000 striker. all while only having slightly less hp but faster planes with better tail gunners means it's going to be op as shit. even in the hand of someone who isn't superunicunt like me
Basically if you are playing her you are overpowered. Unless you run into cvs with fighter loadout, unless there are any crusers and battleships with decent aa. Unless the players are paying attention and know how to evade that open of a drop pattren, unless your opponents are playing as destroyers. Yep. In a summary you are over powered if the other cv has no fighters and all the other ships are battleships with weak aa. Then u could one shot opponets
Wow, that's.....actually not a bad idea Aerroon! A carrier specified to DOT damage is something that hasn't been done before. Just a wonder which ship should it be on. Akagi or T6 premium CV's sound like a start. Or the Graf since it's still in testing. Terrific review btw, hoped the Graf will have German BB secondaries range though, just to test what it would do on a CV.
That drop pattern is good to drop on ship with AA consumables, strike enemy cv especially stationary one may be quite good, the spread don't really matter since the drop is 3 in mid
Those fighters are Bf 109t's, right? Well, as far as I know, those things were very fast, not as maneuverable and hence not as effective at one on one dogfights as a Spitfire or a Zero, and made up for it with their boom and zoom tactics. Therefore should they not be the best at strafing enemy aircrafts, and not too good at dogfights? I mean, if that's the case, wouldn't those Lexington strike aircraft just die before they even realise the strafe is even happening? The planes also had more ammo, so they could strafe continuously, too.
leops1984 as an usncv driver tjat is borning for me. If tje economics were changed than thay can work. as it is right now raw damage od all that matters. I had to stop playing lex necause loss money every game. i dont even care if i break even but lose is not right
From what I have seen this ship is very strong against lower tier ships because of alpha strike power and weak against higher tier ships because the planes melt quickly.
I understand this is a game. My biggest objection to Carriers is the drop rates of Torpedoes. Forget that WWII planes were lucky to get 2 successful drops from a flight of 5. WG has dispersion on main batteries and not on torpedoes. No flight of torps or dive, should ever have over 50% success.
In the real world naval artillery hits something like 1-4% of shells they fire. In fact, it would take longer for a battleship to get up to top speed than it takes an entire match in WoWS.
Douglas Smith you jabe a point but when we look at how many time a ship is hot vs sheels fired. A ship qould fire hundereds of shells and hit there target once or twice and that could be enough to dostory or disable a ship. The Fletcher dd were amazingly strong at times and other time ot would blow up if you looked at it wrong. there was one on radar picket dudy took 5 kamakazy hit and lived while otheres took 1 nad disapered. The otjer thing with cv is each plane only drops once every 4 or 5 min. One torp sq may only attack 5 time a game while a bb every 30 cl every 6-10 sec and dd fire torps every 2 min. I dont think cv are as powerful as everyone thinks they are. When I got Sipan I thought I was going to have a 100 percent win rate. ooppppsss. CB are the best tool for camping player and sniping players but there not the gods of tne battle feild thike there were in ww2. I would also like to know why detection is longer for service than air.
Yeah the reason they screwed Japanese DDs was because getting hit by imba torps with nothing you could do was very frustrating. I hate getting 1 shotted by CVs despite having halfway decent AA. -.-
Good vid. It reminds me of the same problems CVs had originally. A poor player using it will fail. A good player against poor ones will murder everything. The enemy needs to coordinate their actions with a bunch of fellow randoms more than v any other ship; you even deleted 3 CAs trying to come at you. It can delete lower tiers who are all but powerless, but might equally be frustrating to play when bottom tier. It's as though WG has learned nothing about the inherent issues of CV design in this game. As I've said before, I doubt they'll ever balance them so they're tolerable/enjoyable to play while not being a potential fun killer for a lot of players. If they can't do BOTH, they ought to get rid of them.
I tried the CV line to T5 and stopped, I just found it mind numbingly boring....command and conquer with 3 units - I'd stop playing any RTS if you only got three units. Does it get any better?
I got chat banned in a game where I didn't rage or say anything out of line. It just pissed me off. This is the *entire* chat for that game: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206521276125151233/337826874212483073/unknown.png
I think that this will be difficult to drop a DD with to kill, *but* I think this will be one of the hardest drops for a DD to completely evade. The middle torps come after one another so quickly that I think you need to be able to turn into the torps before you get to the middle part.
I got chat banned in a match where I didn't say anything I shouldn't. That just pissed me off. Entire chat of the match: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206521276125151233/337826874212483073/unknown.png
Like everyone else I have comllaned about us cv load outs. I am tired of seing us ships at the bottom of all list. I am sure there are ways of using ranger and above that will make them great. Could do some vids about them?
Carriers need a massive rework before they start adding different countries carriers. We need to be able to have more flexible us cvs because of fighter setups having no economic worth. The graf looks cool with that drop pattern but its not effective
What i still don't get is why the fuck can't we choose the loadout for ourselves. Almost every carrier in WW2 had different plane loadout, but noooo why would we want customization?
"A simple misunderstanding"? You seemed an awful lot shorter and angrier in chat then the video. As for the review itself, while I think the Zeppelin is very strong (maybe too much as you suggest), putting in a DoT type carrier is something I would (imo) not agree with. Getting a single fire on board my cruiser after having tried to Def AA a group of planes and dying slowly sucks worse than getting alpha-struck in my BB.
Aerroon did everything he could to through this battle....if the enemy team would had been better this would have been a loss ...no matter how many kills he got...... CVs should never ever stay down in one part of the map all by themselves.... CVs have to move as their team moves.... he should have moved north then northeast making a big loop to stay closer behind his teammates, since the enemy was looping south / southwest.... he was successful only because the enemy players didn't care about the battle and wanted to brag that they sunk Aerroon
With that drop pattern a Graf Zeppelin wont have any fun if the surface ships turn into the drop .... also her planes are paper. The stupidity of players isnt a reason to nerf a ship.
I saw other tester video and he was in tier 9 match , when tried attack a Missouri BB his planes got wiped before he get near the white drop line , is it OP ? Maybe against low tier ships that doesn't have enough AA .. remember it is still WIP .
F4Wildcat I don't have an Enterprise so I can't really say anything but I don't think I would have any fun with the Enterprise Torpedo Drop.. compared to that the Graf Zeppelin seems a lot better
Another WG-Dreamworld Ship... Seriously, they made everything wrong with her loadout: 43 Planes cap irl, 72 glass planes in game. And the worst thing: NO DIVE STUKAS ! The legendary Ju-87 "Stuka" dive bomber was planned to be used on her ! And dont come with "Its a game, they got to balance blabla..." What about giving her small but durable groups, like Saipans ? A 1-2-1 or 1-1-2 loadout with ~4 planes/group would be great. Cause 15 Me-109t were planned and 28 Stukas as Dive/Torp Bombers. (Source: Wikipedia, 1942 loadout) But a premium nuke-cv sells better, thx to WG.
More ships able to nuke another right at the start isn't going to make the game better for anyone. Instead of these either bad or OP drop patterns how about making customized load outs available for premium CVs? Or at least something that makes them different and not "oh better hope your CV protects you or you are dead but it's ok because it's fighters are weak". That's the biggest issue I have with CVs is the lack of active counter play. If your team doesn't help all you can do is turn and hope the CV doesn't just wait to hit or cross drop. Even with good AA it's rng so that isn't even in your control.
not sure how much weight you can put on your too high alpha damage statements given the fact you present us a 6-7-8 game where you are top tier. just take a look at other grafs f ex flamu trying to drop a tier higher.
Like if we needeed another premium CV in the game ... especilly a german one before even a british one, Kriegsmarine is way too upper estimated in this game ...
OverPowered? All CVs are to determinant in this game, but in other video the torps bombers go against a tier 9 BB with AAA. No one survive. IMHO yo are wrong. O7
Are the planes really that bad? You drop on the atlanta, a T7 specialised AA cruiser and dont even lose 1 plane from a single squad. This carreir just seems like a terrible idea. 3 Torp squads was broken before and its broken now, I have no idea why WG seem to want these outragously powerful premium carriers in the game so much.
Take in mind that this Atlanta was damaged (less AA) and she doesnt activated her defensive AA consumable. That means: average T7 cruiser AA vs. T8 planes. A full life Atlanta with active defensive AA would have killed all this planes.
Ok, but even without DFAA atlanta has significantly stronger AA than most ships her tier and many ships a tier higher than herself and is a ship that gives up huge amounts of overall strength for the AA capabilities, and it didnt shoot down a single plane.
Like I said: This Atlanta was damaged. There was only a fifth of her HP left. Do not underestimate how many AA mounts a ship loses during a battle! This Atlanta lost her "op" AA and there was only "average" Tier 7 AA left... vs Tier 8 planes. Im not suprised that this Atlanta cant shoot down a single plane at this point.
She had all of her dual purpose main batteries intact. That alone is more DPM than a complete full HP new orleans close and mid range AA combined. If the atlanta cant shoot those planes down like paper even when damaged its fucked.
I think you haven't watched the start of the video where a Bayern with stock hull! (basically has an aa potential of an Ishizuchi) shot down 3 of his TBs.
1. well played 2. 100% agree on that much alpha is just bs 3. how come...that the nation with the most well known divebombers gets a pure torp loadout? you have too be SO dumb...has to be WG...you cant even make that up! 4. maybe they want to force ppl to get dot by splitting the torps? since 3 is overkill maybe use them like you did vs the cruiser all the time?
Now do your review after getting stomped by a tier X IJN carrier. lol Tier 8 is in this weird middle ground of OP and trash based on if its top tier or bottom tier. You can't nerf it because it would be too weak to tier X, but you can't buff it because it would be even more OP against tier 6.
The Hungry Wolf 足柄 there is so much whining about cv. each plane can only drop once ebery 4 or 5 min. so can only shoot 4 times agame immagian you could only shoot once in your bb. please stop the whinny about cv and look at yout own play and enjoy the differmces because when cv ingame there is camping.
why Lexington completely noob?????? first 3DBs stayed close together second rushed CV for?????? LOLanta is bot??? no AA burst or MAA to your TBs nvm I will buy GZ and break my wallet again
Because carriers always seem to be focused by carriers and they always cross drop on me in my cruiser or BB or just devastate my poor DD with bombs.. i think the activation time on torpedoes is too fast and still need to be increased i think carriers are way to overpowered you can delete a DD or Cruiser with ease if even the cruiser if your defensive fire is on CD and DD you cant do much but sit in smoke and heals cant repair torpedo damage as it counts as AP damage witch sucks imo A carrier player that know what they are doing is way to overpowered ofc if they dont know what they are doing then its easy to deal with more or less.
NavaNix what I dont understand about the one shot thing is every ship can one shot anyone. In your dd you can fire torps every 2 min. And i find that people just fire torps in a general direction because, just in case. And I have been one shotted so many times from bb i cant count. Plus you only get one shot from each sq every 4 or 5 min. CV are not over powered there a great check. I have never carried a game in my cv but dd and bb have. Cv is the only check for camping players. And arnt cv suppost to be very powerful
I wish everyone would stop whining about cv. For crying out loud people every cv is op if you read the comments. If you are t6 and cv is t7 or 8 and went off alone or your that dude who decided to go cv hunting tjen ues your dead. but if you find an aa friend your fine. if cv is t7 and your t9 the cv cannot hit you at all because your aa is god like aa. There is only onee ship class that is op and that is EVERY Russan ship everyone of them. there dd are cruisers there cruisers are bb. so set them aside. Kaga is very stongband one sould op if yout t6 or tt and the cv on your side is strike ranger but laga cant do anything against hier teir bb or a cv that knows even a little. moreover each squadern can only attack once every 4 or t min, that r or 5 times a game you can fire. immagian if you could only fire your guns 5 times a game. that is not op thats the life of a cv player and we are good with this. Yes one sq firing 6 rorps is alot of power but how many time have you fired your torps tjay way just in case. then we fight all of you in chat I scout light up a dd and you do nothing. I need help and you all do nothing. I was being chased but a nurenbrge asked for helpnand the team said NO. Look at your self at your own play vs cv and please stop WHINNING about cv they are the ONLY awnser to camping players
This game is fucked up It is a mess according to history and it is overwhelming It should be tier 6 it has (historical) 50 max planes! And why the TBD are stukas?? Why they are not DBD?? WG this is ridiculous
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Does the Graf Zeppelin get 1/4 HE pen for its secondaries?
JerichoDeath
Hmm good Question 🤔
Asking the important questions.
Probably not.
how are her secondaries anyway? as build she hat quite some firepower with those double turrets of 6 inch guns
Jack Sparrow
Actully pretty good you have
16x150mm and 12x105mm
Just so range is meh/Bad and the He Pen Unknown
JerichoDeath
So why dont try it with Bismarck captain and Do the World record for an secundary CV :D
Love the way you kill that Bayern and his first response isn't "nerf zepplin", but instead "nerf Aerroon". Says a lot really...
That's a different Bayern.
Great preview, Aerroon.
21mm armor plating means that 127mm he will not damage it. That's actually something.
WG logic: instead of making a tutorial on how to position your ship and avoid air strikes, let's just nerf all aircraft carriers.
For a first game dude...This ship looks so powerful in good hands...
Acifer in a t6 with strike lex, GZ is stronk. But in t9, AA is a scary thing to GZ is poor troubled soul
trust me guys, this thing currently aint op. it just has crazy burst damage, thats it. if it keeps on deleting targets then it isnt because the carrier is op but the opposing carrier is a complete potato. as a shokaku captain, the graf zeppelin is now my favorite carrier to face because all the fighter fights can be won easily ( even if you just lock)
interesting to see the naziboo squads out in full force defending a clearly overpowered premium
jim hendrix let it be said knowing what to do vs not knowing heightens your chances of survivability greatly.......I can't play cv well to save my life....but staying close to something else with any amount of aa (or even just defensive fire since that one poor sod in a Molotov wants to survive as much as anyone else) helps......a lot......that being said if you face this and another carrier and they throw everything they have........your doomed......but look at wot arty.....same deal but at least you can react to the carriers. Also carriers are kinda rare so more often than not saying a cv is op is a moot point......I'll shut up now :3
the fact that this thing has a full alphastrike of 150,000 vs t10 haku's 100,000 striker. all while only having slightly less hp but faster planes with better tail gunners means it's going to be op as shit. even in the hand of someone who isn't superunicunt like me
Basically if you are playing her you are overpowered. Unless you run into cvs with fighter loadout, unless there are any crusers and battleships with decent aa. Unless the players are paying attention and know how to evade that open of a drop pattren, unless your opponents are playing as destroyers. Yep. In a summary you are over powered if the other cv has no fighters and all the other ships are battleships with weak aa. Then u could one shot opponets
Wow, that's.....actually not a bad idea Aerroon! A carrier specified to DOT damage is something that hasn't been done before. Just a wonder which ship should it be on. Akagi or T6 premium CV's sound like a start. Or the Graf since it's still in testing. Terrific review btw, hoped the Graf will have German BB secondaries range though, just to test what it would do on a CV.
Jonathan Todd
Secundary focused cv? Sound hell a Lot of fun ^_^
its a nice review, you take account of how the ship will affect random battle, especially average player.
Aerroon, just an fyi, Graf gets a higher flood chance with her TBs, so you can still get DoT effects with staggered strikes on certain strikes
That drop pattern is good to drop on ship with AA consumables, strike enemy cv especially stationary one may be quite good, the spread don't really matter since the drop is 3 in mid
Does wg get any idea for the drop pattern from kancore?
lol, the auto-generated captions showed a lot of names for the Shokaku. Shocker cook, Chicago, Show Kakou
Those fighters are Bf 109t's, right? Well, as far as I know, those things were very fast, not as maneuverable and hence not as effective at one on one dogfights as a Spitfire or a Zero, and made up for it with their boom and zoom tactics. Therefore should they not be the best at strafing enemy aircrafts, and not too good at dogfights? I mean, if that's the case, wouldn't those Lexington strike aircraft just die before they even realise the strafe is even happening? The planes also had more ammo, so they could strafe continuously, too.
I'm intrigued by the idea that maybe Wargaming should have done a damage over time carrier instead of another alpha strike carrier like this one...
leops1984 as an usncv driver tjat is borning for me. If tje economics were changed than thay can work. as it is right now raw damage od all that matters. I had to stop playing lex necause loss money every game. i dont even care if i break even but lose is not right
Jerry, Lexington is not really a damage over time carrier. Lexington is an RNG carrier.
From what I have seen this ship is very strong against lower tier ships because of alpha strike power and weak against higher tier ships because the planes melt quickly.
If she doesn't drown them in torps, she'll drown them in coffee
At least it's not covfefe.
Lol, that Lexington has evasive maneuver
I understand this is a game. My biggest objection to Carriers is the drop rates of Torpedoes. Forget that WWII planes were lucky to get 2 successful drops from a flight of 5. WG has dispersion on main batteries and not on torpedoes. No flight of torps or dive, should ever have over 50% success.
In the real world naval artillery hits something like 1-4% of shells they fire. In fact, it would take longer for a battleship to get up to top speed than it takes an entire match in WoWS.
Aerroon thays very funny when you think about it that way
Douglas Smith you jabe a point but when we look at how many time a ship is hot vs sheels fired. A ship qould fire hundereds of shells and hit there target once or twice and that could be enough to dostory or disable a ship. The Fletcher dd were amazingly strong at times and other time ot would blow up if you looked at it wrong. there was one on radar picket dudy took 5 kamakazy hit and lived while otheres took 1 nad disapered.
The otjer thing with cv is each plane only drops once every 4 or 5 min. One torp sq may only attack 5 time a game while a bb every 30 cl every 6-10 sec and dd fire torps every 2 min. I dont think cv are as powerful as everyone thinks they are. When I got Sipan I thought I was going to have a 100 percent win rate. ooppppsss. CB are the best tool for camping player and sniping players but there not the gods of tne battle feild thike there were in ww2.
I would also like to know why detection is longer for service than air.
Do you think it would be nice if the Graf Zeppelin has also an Divebomber loadout with 2 squads he bombs and 1 squad ap bombs
Yeah the reason they screwed Japanese DDs was because getting hit by imba torps with nothing you could do was very frustrating.
I hate getting 1 shotted by CVs despite having halfway decent AA. -.-
Is 2-3-0 only layout or something with dive bombers?
Good vid.
It reminds me of the same problems CVs had originally.
A poor player using it will fail.
A good player against poor ones will murder everything.
The enemy needs to coordinate their actions with a bunch of fellow randoms more than v any other ship; you even deleted 3 CAs trying to come at you.
It can delete lower tiers who are all but powerless, but might equally be frustrating to play when bottom tier.
It's as though WG has learned nothing about the inherent issues of CV design in this game.
As I've said before, I doubt they'll ever balance them so they're tolerable/enjoyable to play while not being a potential fun killer for a lot of players. If they can't do BOTH, they ought to get rid of them.
Good CV replay:
enemy is solo strike/stock and ranger/lexington
My Wallet is ready.
I tried the CV line to T5 and stopped, I just found it mind numbingly boring....command and conquer with 3 units - I'd stop playing any RTS if you only got three units. Does it get any better?
Anyone know what the "unfortunate experience" was that caused him to not play this much?
I got chat banned in a game where I didn't rage or say anything out of line. It just pissed me off. This is the *entire* chat for that game: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206521276125151233/337826874212483073/unknown.png
The big problem with hthis cv is there are way to many reloads. I think I am saeing 27 reloads?
is the alpha a bit strong maybe but a good cv player at the same tier with fighters will wipe yours then just feed
First.
...I know I'm not, but I said I'd say it and I wanted to watch the video first.
What do you think about dropping DDs with that pattern?
I think that this will be difficult to drop a DD with to kill, *but* I think this will be one of the hardest drops for a DD to completely evade. The middle torps come after one another so quickly that I think you need to be able to turn into the torps before you get to the middle part.
*Sigh* Why oh why did I buy a Lexington instead of going down the IJN line? I bought it just after WG removed it's 2-1-1 layout :(
Is it possible to straive a spotting plane and get "clear sky"? Would be a nice replay, if you'd get this achievement only because of that
Reichskeks
Nope
I don't think you're likely to get that from float planes.
Enraging event? If I may ask it was related to this game (WoW) or to a personal event?
I got chat banned in a match where I didn't say anything I shouldn't. That just pissed me off. Entire chat of the match: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206521276125151233/337826874212483073/unknown.png
Like everyone else I have comllaned about us cv load outs. I am tired of seing us ships at the bottom of all list. I am sure there are ways of using ranger and above that will make them great. Could do some vids about them?
Yay more paper planes for my USN ships
Carriers need a massive rework before they start adding different countries carriers. We need to be able to have more flexible us cvs because of fighter setups having no economic worth. The graf looks cool with that drop pattern but its not effective
What i still don't get is why the fuck can't we choose the loadout for ourselves. Almost every carrier in WW2 had different plane loadout, but noooo why would we want customization?
Watching that Harekaze and Bayern chase the Lexington reminded why I quit this game
ok that was very very funny.
Mein Gott its so beautiful UWU
12:14 four ships against seven🌚
"A simple misunderstanding"? You seemed an awful lot shorter and angrier in chat then the video. As for the review itself, while I think the Zeppelin is very strong (maybe too much as you suggest), putting in a DoT type carrier is something I would (imo) not agree with. Getting a single fire on board my cruiser after having tried to Def AA a group of planes and dying slowly sucks worse than getting alpha-struck in my BB.
Aerroon did everything he could to through this battle....if the enemy team would had been better this would have been a loss ...no matter how many
kills he got...... CVs should never ever stay down in one part of the map all by themselves.... CVs have to move as their team moves.... he should have moved
north then northeast making a big loop to stay closer behind his teammates, since the enemy was looping south / southwest....
he was successful only because the enemy players didn't care about the battle and wanted to brag that they sunk Aerroon
The torp drop pattern is mediocre as fuck. But it's what it looks like with 2-3 TBs dropping is the concern.
3 days now and no vids??????????????????
She might be a bit OP for games where she's top tier, but lets see how she fairs against Tier 10 AA ships, THEN she might struggle.
U did well but it defiantly helps being in a top tier cv .
So this is the reason to the nerf of Graf Zeppelin :-)
With that drop pattern a Graf Zeppelin wont have any fun if the surface ships turn into the drop .... also her planes are paper. The stupidity of players isnt a reason to nerf a ship.
Well said, OPness of ships should not base on how noob BB players are, in a tier 6 match against Strike Lex as example
I saw other tester video and he was in tier 9 match , when tried attack a Missouri BB his planes got wiped before he get near the white drop line , is it OP ? Maybe against low tier ships that doesn't have enough AA .. remember it is still WIP .
AKA its an enterprise. Enterprise is fantastic vs T8. But against T10? or even T9? Hah...
F4Wildcat I don't have an Enterprise so I can't really say anything but I don't think I would have any fun with the Enterprise Torpedo Drop.. compared to that the Graf Zeppelin seems a lot better
Another WG-Dreamworld Ship...
Seriously, they made everything wrong with her loadout: 43 Planes cap irl, 72 glass planes in game. And the worst thing: NO DIVE STUKAS ! The legendary Ju-87 "Stuka" dive bomber was planned to be used on her !
And dont come with "Its a game, they got to balance blabla..." What about giving her small but durable groups, like Saipans ?
A 1-2-1 or 1-1-2 loadout with ~4 planes/group would be great. Cause 15 Me-109t were planned and 28 Stukas as Dive/Torp Bombers. (Source: Wikipedia, 1942 loadout)
But a premium nuke-cv sells better, thx to WG.
That landing speed of the enemy Lexington is very slow... perhaps he pick evasive action skill?
More ships able to nuke another right at the start isn't going to make the game better for anyone. Instead of these either bad or OP drop patterns how about making customized load outs available for premium CVs? Or at least something that makes them different and not "oh better hope your CV protects you or you are dead but it's ok because it's fighters are weak". That's the biggest issue I have with CVs is the lack of active counter play. If your team doesn't help all you can do is turn and hope the CV doesn't just wait to hit or cross drop. Even with good AA it's rng so that isn't even in your control.
not sure how much weight you can put on your too high alpha damage statements given the fact you present us a 6-7-8 game where you are top tier.
just take a look at other grafs f ex flamu trying to drop a tier higher.
Well, Graf Zeppelin is going to be in tier 6-8 games as well.
Aerroon and the other t8 cvs or premium enterprise will be less devastating in t6 and 7 with its ap bombs ? You're just evading the point.
Yes, yes they will be. Enterprise, for instance, would've done very little to those Bayerns.
Roon roon senpoi will you play kancolle again?
Hmm. I log in occasionally but only occasionally. I don't think I will actively play it that much.
yeah, like the guy said, please neuf aerroon
As awesome and the Graf Zeppelin is... I am REALLY triggered by the fact her Stukas are NOT dive bombers... like...wtaf... >=I
"something Infuriating" my bet is British BB's.
Graf Shpee-Zeppelin heh ;3
literally a cross drop. wow.
Like if we needeed another premium CV in the game ... especilly a german one before even a british one, Kriegsmarine is way too upper estimated in this game ...
that torpedo patern is awfull
torp so fasst :3 why your torp faster than flamu ? :3
It shouldn't be.
plz play in asia one time :D i met one guys play this ship but too noob :v
I think I must buy this one instead of Enterprise..
OverPowered? All CVs are to determinant in this game, but in other video the torps bombers go against a tier 9 BB with AAA. No one survive. IMHO yo are wrong. O7
Are the planes really that bad? You drop on the atlanta, a T7 specialised AA cruiser and dont even lose 1 plane from a single squad. This carreir just seems like a terrible idea. 3 Torp squads was broken before and its broken now, I have no idea why WG seem to want these outragously powerful premium carriers in the game so much.
Take in mind that this Atlanta was damaged (less AA) and she doesnt activated her defensive AA consumable.
That means: average T7 cruiser AA vs. T8 planes.
A full life Atlanta with active defensive AA would have killed all this planes.
Ok, but even without DFAA atlanta has significantly stronger AA than most ships her tier and many ships a tier higher than herself and is a ship that gives up huge amounts of overall strength for the AA capabilities, and it didnt shoot down a single plane.
Like I said: This Atlanta was damaged. There was only a fifth of her HP left.
Do not underestimate how many AA mounts a ship loses during a battle!
This Atlanta lost her "op" AA and there was only "average" Tier 7 AA left... vs Tier 8 planes.
Im not suprised that this Atlanta cant shoot down a single plane at this point.
She had all of her dual purpose main batteries intact. That alone is more DPM than a complete full HP new orleans close and mid range AA combined. If the atlanta cant shoot those planes down like paper even when damaged its fucked.
I think you haven't watched the start of the video where a Bayern with stock hull! (basically has an aa potential of an Ishizuchi) shot down 3 of his TBs.
1. well played
2. 100% agree on that much alpha is just bs
3. how come...that the nation with the most well known divebombers gets a pure torp loadout? you have too be SO dumb...has to be WG...you cant even make that up!
4. maybe they want to force ppl to get dot by splitting the torps? since 3 is overkill maybe use them like you did vs the cruiser all the time?
Lol, so overpower... Plz wargaming, nerf Aerroon!
Now do your review after getting stomped by a tier X IJN carrier. lol Tier 8 is in this weird middle ground of OP and trash based on if its top tier or bottom tier. You can't nerf it because it would be too weak to tier X, but you can't buff it because it would be even more OP against tier 6.
Yes, lets put a premium CV with more alpha strike power than a tier 10 at tier 8! What could possibly go wrong?
A premium with a bad torpedo drop pattern, paper planes and no dbs... the only thing worse than this is called Enterprise.
The Hungry Wolf 足柄 there is so much whining about cv. each plane can only drop once ebery 4 or 5 min. so can only shoot 4 times agame immagian you could only shoot once in your bb. please stop the whinny about cv and look at yout own play and enjoy the differmces because when cv ingame there is camping.
Taiho has much more strike power, between better drop patterns and beefier planes.
Eh.......Ashigara are you being a Christmas cake again? :3
make weaker players get the illusion that they are not as screwed as they actually are
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
lol you play vs T6 don't buy this cv, you gonna play vs T9 T10 often....
why Lexington completely noob??????
first 3DBs stayed close together
second rushed CV for??????
LOLanta is bot??? no AA burst or MAA to your TBs
nvm I will buy GZ and break my wallet again
This is what players are like in this game. This is why ships like the Kaga are powerful.
Only OP in this game are Pro players who dont have a life... Nerf Aroon and it will be just fine :)
a lot of bad players using the harashit
I hate carriers so much
NavaNix why?
Because carriers always seem to be focused by carriers and they always cross drop on me in my cruiser or BB or just devastate my poor DD with bombs.. i think the activation time on torpedoes is too fast and still need to be increased i think carriers are way to overpowered you can delete a DD or Cruiser with ease if even the cruiser if your defensive fire is on CD and DD you cant do much but sit in smoke and heals cant repair torpedo damage as it counts as AP damage witch sucks imo A carrier player that know what they are doing is way to overpowered ofc if they dont know what they are doing then its easy to deal with more or less.
NavaNix what I dont understand about the one shot thing is every ship can one shot anyone. In your dd you can fire torps every 2 min. And i find that people just fire torps in a general direction because, just in case. And I have been one shotted so many times from bb i cant count. Plus you only get one shot from each sq every 4 or 5 min.
CV are not over powered there a great check. I have never carried a game in my cv but dd and bb have. Cv is the only check for camping players. And arnt cv suppost to be very powerful
I wish everyone would stop whining about cv. For crying out loud people every cv is op if you read the comments. If you are t6 and cv is t7 or 8 and went off alone or your that dude who decided to go cv hunting tjen ues your dead. but if you find an aa friend your fine. if cv is t7 and your t9 the cv cannot hit you at all because your aa is god like aa. There is only onee ship class that is op and that is EVERY Russan ship everyone of them. there dd are cruisers there cruisers are bb. so set them aside.
Kaga is very stongband one sould op if yout t6 or tt and the cv on your side is strike ranger but laga cant do anything against hier teir bb or a cv that knows even a little. moreover each squadern can only attack once every 4 or t min, that r or 5 times a game you can fire. immagian if you could only fire your guns 5 times a game. that is not op thats the life of a cv player and we are good with this.
Yes one sq firing 6 rorps is alot of power but how many time have you fired your torps tjay way just in case.
then we fight all of you in chat I scout light up a dd and you do nothing. I need help and you all do nothing. I was being chased but a nurenbrge asked for helpnand the team said NO.
Look at your self at your own play vs cv and please stop WHINNING about cv they are the ONLY awnser to camping players
What a joke Harekaze..
Simply overpowered. This carrier is going to put all others to shame.
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This game is fucked up It is a mess according to history and it is overwhelming It should be tier 6 it has (historical) 50 max planes! And why the TBD are stukas?? Why they are not DBD?? WG this is ridiculous
15 torps nice more op shit
Fisrt!
almost first
Almost!
Is 2-3-0 only layout or something with dive bombers?
Only one.