I never change a consumer unit without checking the earth leakage. If it’s off the scale I inform the customer there’s a pre-existing problem. Then I normally decline the job unless they want RCBOs fitted. Otherwise you’re only inheriting a major headache that could cause serious grief. My tester cost £70. Best £70 I ever spent. Amcal is the brand. Great video again. 👍
Thanks for the compliments Trevor. Keep learning something every day, that is the secret. I've been in the game over 40 years and there is always something new to learn. Keep watching, lots more videos on the way. Dave.
Excellent video Dave well planned and explained in a very simple way so anyone can understand the contents and context very well wish you luck and all the best for many more such videos I’m a fan of your videos u r doing a great job
Your video speed & voice is so smooth that I happily finished watching & learning. U r awesome! Thanks for addressing my query of yr earlier video. Just checked my newly purchased smart clamp meter 25$ that the lowest à is 15mA (not good). So, can't measure individual MCB a few mÃ. But still can do the job for main 3-phase rcd. Thank u again for a very professional concise lecture👍🍻.
Brilliant video. Made simple, very simple. Dave you have a brilliant ability in making complicated learning material easy for numties like me. Thanks mate
Been looking forward to this video for a while 👍 brilliant again dave 👌 i now know what earth leakage is 👍👍🙌🏻🙌🏻 absolutley brilliant explanation for a non sparks like myself to understand 👍
@@learnelectrics4402 sometimes electricians change distribution board and afcourse prior tests need to be done before changing but this test can detect earth fault and gives you a clue if the new consumer board will trip or would be a success .
Thank you for another well planned and presented video. You have a outstanding teaching style, and your resources are always a great bridge from your words to my understanding.
Thank you Nik, great feedback. I was lucky that 40 years ago I worked with three outstanding engineers who believed in the learner taking priority. I have copied and improved upon their style ever since. Thanks again. Dave.
Thanks for enlightenment. I have a Lutron DL-6054 ACA Leakage Tester. I found out that even though meggering value of the circuit is perfect (> 40 megOhms) RCCB nuisance trips. Reason : Megger injects DC voltage in de-energized circuits with all loads disconnected. So it misses leakages of appliances, capacitive leakage of wiring. I read somewhere that the downstream wiring length (from each RCCB) should not exceed 250' length in order to minimise capacitive leakage. So both meters compliment each other. My humble thought.
Very good! Can I nest RCDs? Like having 3 phase RCD and then an RCD for each phase (so that just 1 phase goes down). Also can I have a lower limit (nested) RCD for the hotub? Last but not least, what will happen to 3 phase appliances if just one phase is interrupted? Many thanks!
Not recommended to have 3 phase equipment protected by single phase RCDs. We should not run 3 phase devices on just 2 phases. Any RCD upstream of another should be less sensitive, a time delay S-type for example to maintain proper discretion, the protective device nearest the fault trips first.
Hi there great video, I do have a questions, if the RCD on the board is tripping, & won’t reset how would you test, if you are unable to put on a load.. thanks
Turn every breaker off at the CU. Will the RCD reset. If yes, turn the mcbs on one at a time and see if it trips. If it does not trip, turn the breaker off again and turn the next breaker on. Repeat until you find the faulty circuit and then home in on the fault. Unplug everything, reconnect one at a time. have a look at this video on the link. ua-cam.com/video/PXKaq_1DmgU/v-deo.html
Also, one more question - at my distribution panel it is very hard to use a clamp as all wires are tight. Can I use something with pins (like a multimeter) instead? Many thanks!
No, you are measuring current. If you don't use a clamp meter, you will have to break into the circuit to attach the meter. Can yo find some slack on the wires outside the CU box, it will still be the same current going through.
Brilliant vid, Bit confused to how you would test a RCD on the load side with a clamp metre?? As the line is connected via the bus bar??? Only leaving the neutral to clamp around? Can you please explain? Regards Nicholas
Great video, how about if you attended for a nuisance rcd tripping. Suppose you carry out an insulation resistance test and all is good. Then you maybe load the circuit up and switch things on and perform another insulation resistance test and again all is good all readings are above well 2M ohm. So say you approach the problem next with an earth leakage clamp meter. So you put your clamp on line and neutral, energise and switch things on then the Rcd trips straight away. How would you suggest to diagnose a faulty appliance with an earth leakage clamp if it trips off too quickly (where IR tests fail to show the fault when the circuit is dead)?
If you know from testing you have a high leakage current and suspect appliances, then unplug everything and retest with clamp meter. One by one plug back in and check leakage reading each time. Sometimes we have even plugged appliances into an extension lead and plugged them into sockets on the other RCD. Let the customer use it for a day or so and see if the problem shifts to the 2nd RCD. Nuisance tripping really is a pain at times. Also, from experience, check EVERY screw in the consumer unit is tight, L/N/E. Make sure you take precautions, live electric. Even a loose screw can cause RCD problems if it shakes. I had one in a pantry and every time they opened the door it hit the CU and tripped the RCD - 4 neutral screws as loose as ever. Good luck. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 these intermittent tripping jobs can be a real challenge to narrow down. It can be a accumulative effect which by itself can be difficult to locate. We had a job recently that showed up as high IR when switched off. Anyway after many return visits to the site we found the problem to be an outside lighting circuit supplying 4x son fittings. When the ballasts got hot it shorted down to earth on 3 out of the 4 fittings. Sometimes you’ve just got to persevere!! Enjoying all your content so far, keep it up 👍
How does clamping the line and neutral together determine the earth leakage current? Surely the full current without an earth leakage component needs to be known in advance?
Yes it does, its like a dripping tap and a dripping tap will fill a bucket. The customer is paying for electricity that is not going through their appliances. It can be many pounds a year.
Thanks for the feedback. Clamp meters, we never give recommendations as it can lead to all sorts of horrible situations, but there are at least 4 manufacturers out there that make very very good meters. Get a good meter and it will be your friend for years and years. Thanks for watching and plenty more videos on the way. Dave.
BS 7671 or the latest edition of the “Wiring Regulations” are not mandatory they are a code of practice. Compliance with them will almost certainly satisfy the Electrical at Work requirements which are mandatory.
Any clamp meter that will show the low numbers that you will be expecting. I use two clamp meters, one in amps for work on big motors and industrial circuits and a second one that will give me milli-amps for leakage tests.
I understand why you need to keep everything turned on when checking leakage on RCD. But why you said that all MCBs need to be turned off except one which is measured? I assumed when measuring MCB leakage current that also all other MCBs are turned on to simulate real life. Please, explain?
If you want to check leakage on just one MCB when tracing problems then you need to turn the others off to stop them affecting your readings. You are trying to narrow down your search area to pin point the problem.
@@learnelectrics4402 thanks for your fast reply. I understand but I think that other MCBs will not affect on differential current on measured MCB when other MCBs are ON. Leakage on certain MCB will be same whether other MCBs are ON or OFF. Or I am completely wrong?
Any clamp meter but as we say in the video, Sean, it is best done with a meter with a mA range. I have one with milliamps, which is great, and it will show readings less than 1mA, but the 2nd meter, the bigger 400 amp clamp meter shows most small readings as zero as it won't range down to little readings. Horses for courses. Dave.
new sub for you Dave been trying to sort an intermittent trip problem , was thinking of hiring an exorcist ,but checking for earth leakage may be a better option , cheers mate
These problems are a devil to find. Patience and notebook about each change you make are helpful. Good luck. We are planning a video soon just on intermittent tripping. Bet you've got it sorted before then. Dave.
Not sure which test you want to take. Contact a local training centre and they will guide you through the various test options, learning packages available. Good luck.
I never change a consumer unit without checking the earth leakage. If it’s off the scale I inform the customer there’s a pre-existing problem. Then I normally decline the job unless they want RCBOs fitted. Otherwise you’re only inheriting a major headache that could cause serious grief. My tester cost £70. Best £70 I ever spent. Amcal is the brand. Great video again. 👍
Absolutely right Paul. I never quoted for a job without checking leakage and Zs first.
Passed my 18th Edition with you mate managed to hit 80% still learning with you 👍thank you
Thanks for the compliments Trevor. Keep learning something every day, that is the secret. I've been in the game over 40 years and there is always something new to learn. Keep watching, lots more videos on the way. Dave.
Like always a simple but professional tutorial video, good as Dave. Thank you.
Thanks Sajad. Thanks for the support. Dave.
Excellent upload as always Dave. Always well presented, informative and clearly explained.
Keep it up!
Thank you Dave. Always trying our best and so glad you find the videos useful. Dave.
Another fantastic video. So clearly explained. Dave, you have a knack of being able to teach well. Keep it up please... 👍
Thank you Gary, trying my best, must be the thought of that Spanish wine.
Crystal clear and practical, many thanks. Christopher. ..
Thank you Christopher, thanks for watching.
Brilliant tutorials, very clear and easy to understand, well done mate, please keep up the good work.
Thank you Adam, we appreciate your comments. Lots more videos to come. Dave.
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Welcome aboard, thanks for watching. Dave.
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Glad you think so, appreciated.
Excellent video Dave well planned and explained in a very simple way so anyone can understand the contents and context very well wish you luck and all the best for many more such videos I’m a fan of your videos u r doing a great job
Thanks so much, great feedback. Lots more videos to follow. Dave.
Your video speed & voice is so smooth that I happily finished watching & learning. U r awesome! Thanks for addressing my query of yr earlier video. Just checked my newly purchased smart clamp meter 25$ that the lowest à is 15mA (not good). So, can't measure individual MCB a few mÃ. But still can do the job for main 3-phase rcd. Thank u again for a very professional concise lecture👍🍻.
Nice of you to say so William. Thank you very much. Glad you like the videos and lots more to come. Dave
Brilliant video. Made simple, very simple. Dave you have a brilliant ability in making complicated learning material easy for numties like me. Thanks mate
We were all numties once. Just keep learning and please tell others about our channel. The more that watch, the more videos we can make. Dave.
Thanks Dave for another fantastic upload
Thank you Salman, always appreciate your support. Dave.
Very educative. You just cleared my doubt on how to carryout a background leakage test. I await more of this kind. Thanks a lot.
Thank you, happy to help. Dave.
Excellent as always. A godsend to anyone coming in to the trade especially trainees/apprentices & those already working within the industry
Thanks for the really nice feedback, appreciated. Lots more videos to come.
Been looking forward to this video for a while 👍 brilliant again dave 👌 i now know what earth leakage is 👍👍🙌🏻🙌🏻 absolutley brilliant explanation for a non sparks like myself to understand 👍
That's a fantastic bit of feedback, thank you so much. More videos planned, pass the message on, that's all we ask. Dave.
Thank you once again Dave. Very good presentation. It is very illustrated. Very helpful when balancing your consumer unit during selectivity.
You are brilliant Dave. And your videos are very helpful 👍
Glad you like them Jonathan, thanks for the feedback. Dave.
Absolutely marvellous content like always Dave. Looking forward to more videos. Thanks again for the great work ! much appreciated
Glad you are enjoying them and more importantly that you are learning something.
Yes, lots more to come. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 sometimes electricians change distribution board and afcourse prior tests need to be done before changing but this test can detect earth fault and gives you a clue if the new consumer board will trip or would be a success .
Great video, it has been a norm for this guy, thank you,
Thanks for watching and supporting the channel, appreciated. Dave.
Excellent and brillliant explanation 👍
Glad you liked it and thanks for watching. Appreciated. Dave.
This absolutely explained the fundamental aspects. Thank you
Thank you Grant, lovely feedback. Much more to come. Dave.
Brilliant explanation thank you so much. Happy New year to everyone
Thanks for watching and Happy New Year to you too. Dave.
Excellent. Many thanks. GREAT learning tool.
You are welcome, your comments truly appreciated.
Thank you for another well planned and presented video. You have a outstanding teaching style, and your resources are always a great bridge from your words to my understanding.
Thank you Nik, great feedback. I was lucky that 40 years ago I worked with three outstanding engineers who believed in the learner taking priority. I have copied and improved upon their style ever since. Thanks again. Dave.
Thanks for enlightenment. I have a Lutron DL-6054 ACA Leakage Tester.
I found out that even though meggering value of the circuit is perfect (> 40 megOhms) RCCB nuisance trips. Reason : Megger injects DC voltage in de-energized circuits with all loads disconnected. So it misses leakages of appliances, capacitive leakage of wiring. I read somewhere that the downstream wiring length (from each RCCB) should not exceed 250' length in order to minimise capacitive leakage. So both meters compliment each other. My humble thought.
Thanks for the info. Appreciated and thanks for watching.
Kudos! Quite informative and practical stuff given here. Thanks
Thanks for the feedback and thank you for watching. Dave.
Thank you once again very insightful.
Very welcome, thanks for watching.
Thanks for your video great benefit for updating an revision
Glad it was helpful and good luck with your career. Dave.
Excellent Dave , now for the advanced 3ph VD 😊👍
Thanks Brian. You like to keep me busy. Great support, appreciated. Dave.
but its worth it though😊😊👍👍@@learnelectrics4402
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Noted and thanks for watching. Dave.
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Have you had a look at this video on our channel. Click on the link. thanks for supporting the channel. dave.
ua-cam.com/video/hJiocdKlH5Y/v-deo.html
Thank you so much for explaining.
My pleasure. Thanks for watching, many more on the channel and lots to come. Dave
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Glad it was helpful and thanks for watching. Dave.
Very good! Can I nest RCDs? Like having 3 phase RCD and then an RCD for each phase (so that just 1 phase goes down). Also can I have a lower limit (nested) RCD for the hotub? Last but not least, what will happen to 3 phase appliances if just one phase is interrupted? Many thanks!
Not recommended to have 3 phase equipment protected by single phase RCDs. We should not run 3 phase devices on just 2 phases. Any RCD upstream of another should be less sensitive, a time delay S-type for example to maintain proper discretion, the protective device nearest the fault trips first.
Hi there great video, I do have a questions, if the RCD on the board is tripping, & won’t reset how would you test, if you are unable to put on a load.. thanks
Turn every breaker off at the CU. Will the RCD reset. If yes, turn the mcbs on one at a time and see if it trips. If it does not trip, turn the breaker off again and turn the next breaker on. Repeat until you find the faulty circuit and then home in on the fault. Unplug everything, reconnect one at a time. have a look at this video on the link.
ua-cam.com/video/PXKaq_1DmgU/v-deo.html
Very much helpful
Glad to hear that, thanks for the comments.
Thanks🎉so much.. ..it is very appreciated
Thank you Richard. Dave.
Good advice
Glad you think so Vincent, it makes the effort worthwhile. Dave.
Also, one more question - at my distribution panel it is very hard to use a clamp as all wires are tight. Can I use something with pins (like a multimeter) instead? Many thanks!
No, you are measuring current. If you don't use a clamp meter, you will have to break into the circuit to attach the meter. Can yo find some slack on the wires outside the CU box, it will still be the same current going through.
Great content as always,what about dc leakage? If I have a ac leakage clamp meter do I need to buy a dc leakage clamp meter to measure it?
Yes you can get DC current meters. They work different to AC. Thanks for watching.
Just a question, if each RCD is reading 9mA would we expect the reading at the main switch to be 18mA?
In theory yes, but this will often vary depending on interference patterns. cable resistances etc. At 9mA that is good.
Thank you very much, very helpful as always!
Brilliant vid, Bit confused to how you would test a RCD on the load side with a clamp metre?? As the line is connected via the bus bar??? Only leaving the neutral to clamp around? Can you please explain?
Regards
Nicholas
Test each MCB output cable individually. Hope this helps.
@@learnelectrics4402 Was thinking along them lines…..Thank you for the confirmation
Thank you very informative
Thanks for the feedback Glenn. It all helps. Dave.
Absolutely tops!👍☘️
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Thanks, brilliant
You're welcome, thank you. Dave.
BRILLIANT EXPLANATION
Thanks Tony. Feedback always appreciated. Dave.
Great video, how about if you attended for a nuisance rcd tripping. Suppose you carry out an insulation resistance test and all is good. Then you maybe load the circuit up and switch things on and perform another insulation resistance test and again all is good all readings are above well 2M ohm.
So say you approach the problem next with an earth leakage clamp meter. So you put your clamp on line and neutral, energise and switch things on then the Rcd trips straight away.
How would you suggest to diagnose a faulty appliance with an earth leakage clamp if it trips off too quickly (where IR tests fail to show the fault when the circuit is dead)?
If you know from testing you have a high leakage current and suspect appliances, then unplug everything and retest with clamp meter. One by one plug back in and check leakage reading each time.
Sometimes we have even plugged appliances into an extension lead and plugged them into sockets on the other RCD. Let the customer use it for a day or so and see if the problem shifts to the 2nd RCD.
Nuisance tripping really is a pain at times.
Also, from experience, check EVERY screw in the consumer unit is tight, L/N/E. Make sure you take precautions, live electric. Even a loose screw can cause RCD problems if it shakes. I had one in a pantry and every time they opened the door it hit the CU and tripped the RCD - 4 neutral screws as loose as ever.
Good luck. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 these intermittent tripping jobs can be a real challenge to narrow down. It can be a accumulative effect which by itself can be difficult to locate.
We had a job recently that showed up as high IR when switched off. Anyway after many return visits to the site we found the problem to be an outside lighting circuit supplying 4x son fittings. When the ballasts got hot it shorted down to earth on 3 out of the 4 fittings. Sometimes you’ve just got to persevere!! Enjoying all your content so far, keep it up 👍
Megger and Leakage tester compliment each other.
Hi professor D… with todays problems regarding DC leakage into AC circuits which affects ac RCD’s…can a clamp meter measure the dc current….THANKS
Not using the clamp coil Dennis, but one of my clamp meters has separate plug in leads to measure DC current as you would with a multi-meter. Dave.
Thanks…alway searching for an answer…👍👍
How does clamping the line and neutral together determine the earth leakage current? Surely the full current without an earth leakage component needs to be known in advance?
Because the clamp meter will subtract the neutral current from the line current. Any number displayed must be the earth leakage. Hope this helps.
Great video as usual, i have a question: Does the leakage current increase the electricity bill ???
Yes it does, its like a dripping tap and a dripping tap will fill a bucket. The customer is paying for electricity that is not going through their appliances. It can be many pounds a year.
Another great video!! Any suggestions for a good clamp meter with miliohm?
Thanks again!
Thanks for the feedback. Clamp meters, we never give recommendations as it can lead to all sorts of horrible situations, but there are at least 4 manufacturers out there that make very very good meters. Get a good meter and it will be your friend for years and years. Thanks for watching and plenty more videos on the way.
Dave.
BS 7671 or the latest edition of the “Wiring Regulations” are not mandatory they are a code of practice. Compliance with them will almost certainly satisfy the Electrical at Work requirements which are mandatory.
Absolutely, that;s why I always advocate compliance. Thanks for watching. Appreciated.
Can any clamp meter work or is it specific to a "earth leakage clamp meter "
Any clamp meter that will show the low numbers that you will be expecting. I use two clamp meters, one in amps for work on big motors and industrial circuits and a second one that will give me milli-amps for leakage tests.
Thank you Sir 🙏😊
Thanks Ibrahim. appreciated.
I understand why you need to keep everything turned on when checking leakage on RCD. But why you said that all MCBs need to be turned off except one which is measured? I assumed when measuring MCB leakage current that also all other MCBs are turned on to simulate real life. Please, explain?
If you want to check leakage on just one MCB when tracing problems then you need to turn the others off to stop them affecting your readings. You are trying to narrow down your search area to pin point the problem.
@@learnelectrics4402 thanks for your fast reply. I understand but I think that other MCBs will not affect on differential current on measured MCB when other MCBs are ON. Leakage on certain MCB will be same whether other MCBs are ON or OFF. Or I am completely wrong?
Awesome
Glad it helped.
Can any clamp meter be used to measure earth leakage?
Excellent video thank you
Any clamp meter but as we say in the video, Sean, it is best done with a meter with a mA range. I have one with milliamps, which is great, and it will show readings less than 1mA, but the 2nd meter, the bigger 400 amp clamp meter shows most small readings as zero as it won't range down to little readings. Horses for courses. Dave.
@@learnelectrics4402 thank you that’s a big help I may have to buy a new clamp meter
Does this earth leakage current adds to electric bill or increase it? Thanks
And re-label the re-located circuits too !
Cheers
Absolutely, thanks for the input. Dave.
new sub for you Dave been trying to sort an intermittent trip problem , was thinking of hiring an exorcist ,but checking for earth leakage may be a better option , cheers mate
These problems are a devil to find. Patience and notebook about each change you make are helpful. Good luck. We are planning a video soon just on intermittent tripping. Bet you've got it sorted before then. Dave.
good morning, how are you sir,
I'm good. Thanks for watching.
I WANT TO WRITE A TEST BUT IM 68YEARS OLD HOW CAN I DO
Not sure which test you want to take. Contact a local training centre and they will guide you through the various test options, learning packages available. Good luck.
Excellent! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful and thank you.