100 HP 5 AXIS First Cut Drops 462 LBS in Minutes
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Old school guy here. Technical school in late 70's and then to job shop for several years before moving to manufacturing and building prototype equipment for a couple of decades. This level of machining is amazing, but equally amazing is the setup. Thanks for showing this.
Agreed, Barry looks like he found true love. Don't blame him, that whole setup is amazing.
Gotta love high feed mills! Convinced my supervisor after months of explaining my case to get one for a specific part we run frequently. Knocked their old run time from 4 hours to 45 minutes. Love pushing those chips!
This was awesome Berry! Love seeing that high feed mill blasting through steel. A high feed mill taking .100” d.o.c. and at 350ipm though, that’s insane!
Yeah man, it was awesome seeing this in person Jessy
Totally insane.
I worked with a lot of Ibarma drilling machines. From IB25 to IB50, all gear driven. Very robust, rigid and reliable.
Ibarmia has such a rich and lovely history. I love their company, its family owned, and they actually have 3+ generations of the same families working in their factory.
Thank you @A. Bakker! We are so glad to read that!
Very cool. Sounds really good for that stickout with those cuts
High feed milling reduces tool deflection
Love that y'all are throwing some comedy into the vids. Amazing setup and machining thanks for sharing.
These high feed cutters are fun to use. We use air no coolant due to thermal shock of the tips makes them crack and wear prematurely.
That’s insane machining.
Don't get me wrong! Nothing wrong with a nice little rooster tail of chips! Nothing like getting in there with some Plunge Milling! That Shell mill is a Beast!
In love with the sound of chips hitting the machine body 🤩🤩
You can see the power on this thing quite clearly even through video. Incredible setup too well done gents.
Hey Scott, thanks for watching! And yeah, i have worked with alot of monster machines, but THIS thing is easily the fastest and most powerful. I dont scare easily, but this thing gives me the jitters 😂
Unreal. Being one that learned this in the 80's (punched tape, inter alia), I simply cannot get my head around such massive removal rates without coolant! Progress hey!
Nice job Sir!
Thank for the classes and show of different tools
Barry should be doing his entrances / outrances thing in every video !
Hahaha, thanks! Laughter is the best medicine!
I love Barry's videos he gives you the information and always gives you a laugh. I can only imagine what he would be like to work with. It would be great. Is this your project barry?Unbelievable what you have done here. I know I keep saying it but I always look forward to your videos and they always amaze me. I would love to work in a machine shop like Titans. Great team, amazing parts you guys machine and you know if you work there you are going to the top of the machinist chain. Great video. Can't wait for the next one.
Haha thanks for watching, Jap Gary! Yes, the Ibarmia is my baby at the moment. But i am also working on a few other projects. And all of them are awesome! Stay tuned, brother!
@@barrysetzer I have been watching the video when you are reverse engineering the part for the fastest bike.(you know the one I mean)very impressed with the innovation. Can I ask a question?is Titan that cool as a boss as he seems in the videos? It is honestly my dream one day to come over to texas and come to the shop. I know its a place of work but would love to see it and meet you guys. Looking forward to more videos. Stop making love to the parts hahaha
@Jap Gary man, Titan is such a GREAT guy. He is BETTER in real life than in the videos. He pays us great, takes us to lunch a few times a week, cares about all of us ALOT, and he genuinely wants to help people. He is ALL about lifting up our trade and helping other shops become profitable. Coming here was the best decision ive ever made!
!!!! Guaauuuu!!!Very Impresionant!!!!Amazing work!!!
I could watch this all day long.
Casually walking in your machine to give your HSK 100 refreshments
Hats off to the fixturing. No chattering what so ever.
There was chatter but that's normal when roughing a part... When you see too much fire then it's time to change inserts and readjust your speeds n feeds...
@@Hareball001 thats more from the lenght of the tool than the rigidity of the part
@@LordOfChaos.x nope. It’s normal to see chatter here because it’s high feed mill in work with medium feedrate. Long overhang is a good friend for this type of tool.
@@mikhaildavydenko6841 chatter is from tool deflection , the part alone from the weight is more rigid that u think
@@LordOfChaos.x read my comment again. A little chatter here is common for THIS FEEDRATES and for HIGH FEED ENDMILLS… :)
OMG! MEGAWATT POWER! INSANELY INSPIRING!
I worked for a company years ago, and a solid 12 inch by 3 inch by 5 foot piece of aluminum finished at 12 lbs. Don't know why I love watching this stuff, but it's exciting! (I guess I like the sound of money when the job is finished.) Tinkle tinkle, or clank clank in this video...
It's a great sound when the chips hit the doors when removing material. As you said it's money and there is nothing better seeing your job finished when you have done the set up,programming and the actual machining.
Love the sound of chips 😍
Incredible!! I could watch this for hours lol.
That is some serious cutting power !!
Man what an AWESOME machine/spindle combination. I could watch this all DAY
😅
What was the material? We made a couple vee blocks for our big press brake from 1200mm x 310mm x 150mm 350grade plate. I just used 52mm high feed cutter for roughing out the vee with air blast. The machine ran day and night for about 3 days doing the 2 dies. Before I left for the night I would replace inserts and drop the speed and feed overrides a little bit so the inserts would last all night. With that material and the speeds and feeds I was running the air blast worked well to keep the cutter cool and got good life. No need for coolant on that job.
love this sound od machinig and spindle.
Nice work guys.
Those are some decent chips
👍🏻
I love this channel it has awoken the machine beast in me
When are you guys going to LS swap one of these?
Beast of a machine! Is there a reason why you used round stock instead of square/rectangle steel stock?
Yep, couldn’t get it in the correct size
Machining like a BOSS.
Nice OP 1 Barry!
So what is the final part ? Thanks.
Incredible performance from IBARMIA. Love these machines and their capabilities. When you're ready to switch to IBARMIA, we're here to help.
Man i was blown away. And i programmed it 😂
@@barrysetzer - How long have you programmed? Any advice for a rookie just learning?
Not sure buying a machine owned by titan is a good idea judging from the infamous harvi 1 te vid lmao
@@alanparker1952 the usage is taken into consideration for the adjusted price. Fortunately, if you're looking to pick up an IBARMIA, we can also get you a new one customized to fit your needs.
A beauty and a beast rolled into 1
Barry this is why your the GOAT my man loved the video crazy MRR hope your part comes out nominal my man 🤘🤘🤘
Hahaha thats a great machinists blessing right there! “May your parts all be nominal and your inserts last forever!” Thanks Austin!
The sweet kiss made the whole video, great job guys! Beautiful sounds, plenty of pounds
Haha thanks brother! Good times!
Great work
非常棒的机器，非常棒的加工参数 ，ibarmia的设备值得拥有
You mention coolant off for filming purposes, would you be running coolant if you weren't filming? Even with the high feed cutters?
The slowmo wet chip contest was classy!! 💀💀💀
Beast mode activated! This is badass! Barry loves it too I think lol
I WANT TO PLAY !! total savage
Awesome as always, Hey, is all the large billet you machine produced in the USA
That is very impressive 💪🏻🏁
Nice Work
U guys are awesome 👌. Love the new machine at disposal. Just incredible.
Hahaha thanks! Im having a blast with it, myself!
💪Hands of Titan!!!!
Will you do some treatment to prevent rust on this part?
Can I ask, since its never mentioned when advertising tooling, how do you managed your chips?
I've recently found that when your chips are this big it clogs up the chip conveyors very easily meaning I spend just as much time machining parts as before since I have to manually deal with it
Big Machine big chip conveyor.
I find big chips from high feed mills are the easiest to deal with. They don’t cling together like end mill or square shoulder insert mill chips. U can ran air blast across the table and they blow off the table and job nicely.
@@SlowReactionDriversAreTheWorst not with Doosan
@@damientoomey1194 we use feed mills due to required tool length, I have an 80mm iscar feed mill for heavy roughing. Chips are roughly 10mm wide 30mm length and I have jammed up the conveyor a few times, which stops the machine....
@@wildin13 our 52mm high feed mills are iscar. The chips would be 10mm wide but prob no more than 10mm long and curled like a C shape. Maybe try adjust cutting parameters to get a different chip shape?
My hi-feed insert mill doing .03 DOC with 150 ipm isn't enough. I need this.
That is some incredible material removal!!!
That's ginormous. BAMF machine that IBARMIA is. Great video! Barry at the end. Lol
Now those are some ABOM sized chips
79 copy.
two questions
1: did you pour water on it to demonstrate how hot the tool is or was that your attempt at cooling it down just a little?
2: when on top of the part, looking from camera view down the spindle and it is spinning clockwise. Why dont you reverse the spin direction when cutting the bottom? is this just not necessary? would it not make a difference? would it make a huge difference?
Yes hahaha, the water was just because i wanted to show how hot that sucker was
Jees, the chatter!
Let the chips fly 💪
so i am slightly confused. if you do the MRR, it is 70 cubic inches of material removed per minute at the full 2 inch stepover. Multiply that by the .283lbs per cubic inch density of 4140 steel, that means you are removing a max of 19.81lbs of material per minute. that is MUCH lower than the counter shows in the corner. and at that rate (assuming it was a constant 2" stepover, which it isnt) it would take over 23 minutes to remove that much material
The entire toolpath took 54 minutes. Naturally we arent going to make a 54 minute long video, noone would watch it. So there are time jumps for the sake of watchability, but it still took minutes to do this, 54 of them, so not a full hour
Did you guys choose round stock for grain direction?
Round stock was readily available, and rectangle stock had a long lead time
@@barrysetzer I see, just somthing I was curious about. I’ve seen this done in the past with inco and 300 series for more heat treat control.
Love what you all at Titan are about and the content is amazing. I’ve been in the trade since I was 15, 33 now and never had anyone made so much knowledge so readily available.
This industry is plagued with gatekeepers of information. I’m happy to see the tide is changing.
Thank you guys!
I wonder if you got the kool mist system if you could position it in the machine to apply cooling spray mist rather than running that massive spray coolant (for filming)
chips ahoy... those high feed insert mills are sick
Welcome to chatter world
So is there a scale constantly measuring the weight or is it just math? Im not a machinist, just curious
Air blast for cutter can also be good option during filming
In my mind this part would of been more suited to rectangular material, obviously we have not seen the finished part yet so i think its too early to say but did you just specifically do this out of cylindrical bar stock for education purposes?
The round bar was readily available. Rectangle had too long of a lead time
@@barrysetzer that's exactly what I thought. Sometimes finding plate stock that size can be difficult or not available. Been there, done that. Happens a lot with plastics...
Dude....... you're SICK! ......... I LIKE IT! 🤭
What’s made of all the metal that’s cut off? Is it melted and reused or just wasted?
It is sent off to a recycling plant to be melted and reused
😄 Makin it rain chips at the end!
Looks like it was eating inserts a little too fast. RPM might be slightly too fast. You should have a nice purple chip and all the heat of the cut should stay in the chip, not the cutter.
I have a 15hp phase converter in my garage is that enough?
what for do you pour water on a hot cutter? to obtain thermal microcracks in inserts? :)
Could it run faster if there was coolant?
Would love to know if TITANS of CNC Machining is hiring
Question for you guys who work with CNCs. In this video clip, there was quite some dead time, when the cutting tool wasn't actually cutting, like when it cut along the top surface, then dropped to the bottom surface, cut along that, then back up. Obviously, it would have been faster to do all the cuts on one surface, then move to the other.
Is there a reason for doing the job, the way it was? And when programming the job, do you have the option to optimize cutting times?
Yes, but the problem is with keeping the cutter in a climb cut. We could have roughed the entire top to depth, but after each cut it would need to rapid back to the start point, kinda like an old typewriter. We ran the numbers, and it was faster to cut air for 14” than retract and rapid for 38”
Yeah, this is NOT a production run! Why waste time screwing around optimizing toolpath in CAM for one part, when you could be cutting chips. You're not wrong, but a great Programmer should know the most cost efficient way to manufacture a part. There might also be involve other factors, such as CAM software like Fusion 360 where you have to buy Extensions to Optimize your toolpath. Again if this was single part run, which I believe it is, programming quick, easy toolpath is the way to go. If this was a high part run, then yes, spending the extra time to optimize toolpath and lower cycle times would out way the cost in more programming time. In this trade TIME IS MONEY!!!! So put down that damn cell phone and get back to making chips!
So, where are now those guys who so fiercely argued, that this part could be easily machined on their millturn? 😋
Hahahahaha i wonder!?
Great work, even better footage.
Though not the way i would run a high feed cutter. More like half the speed and double the feed. Think it helps for tool life.
This toolpath was more about seeing what the machine and spindle could do. At 80hp and 300ft-lbs of torque, the machine never dropped below the 350 ipm threshold. It was pretty incredible
@@barrysetzer Yep, thought so. Was quite a task to run those high speed and depth of cut at that overhang.
The material / weight removal counter is pretty neat.... Although, that was a fairly easy video to apply such a counter, to showcase the rate of weight reduction, was easier on this one, I realize, in other videos, that would be complicated, as per, footage taken, edited, finalized, ... so, for me to say, the counter to be a standard on the videos would be a really nice touch. But, again, that is likely not possible for every video...
Yup, cool. But what is he making anyway?
Isn't this 4140, you say no coolant for filming purposes, isn't it a bad idea to use coolant when milling 4140? That's probably the main material we cut in our shop and we've always found that coolant destroys insert life.
Yes its 4140. I talk about that in another video we did. ua-cam.com/video/7QEhnsV_o28/v-deo.html
When can I have It delivered?
Haha tomorrow!
That is insane 😳
Barry what is the spindle load in % at the biggest cut of the highfeed mill?
greatings from the netherland
Hi Bauke from Texas! The spindle load was around 80%, 300ft-lbs of torque
That’s badass!
Thanks Shanie!!!
40hp more than my truck.
5 more than my bike 😂
why not set that up on a vertical machine , less overhang on the roughing tool , less chatter and less stress on the spindle . just a thought ??
Do you somehow recycle the chips?
Yes, chips are recycled at the local scrapyard
Am waiting to see next video on this part synchronize video
That's just insane
Better turn on your chip conveyor. :)
ooh, that's ibarmia thr16. it is a good and powerful machine. but it has an error in the design of the Y-axis drive, I repaired one recently.
No worries, we made some improvements since then!
@@IBARMIAchannel this is good. we had to install the oil seal ourselves to protect the bearing from dust.
3:35 This needs some Barry White instead 🤣
Nice. That high feed mill is DESTROYING that part.
also destroying the machine?
That 350ipm didnt bother the machine AT ALL. it was at 80% spindle load.
@@barrysetzer Yea some people are afraid of actually using a machine for what it is capable of. I run my machine faster than most people where I work. I go 12000rpm @ 200+ ipm all day. A while back I maxed it out at 15,000 rpm and 1000ipm. I think some people see arbitrary numbers and assume those are fast. The problem is that 100 is a number people see and think it's big. In metric though 100 ipm is 2540mm/min... is that machine an HSK spindle?
Also high feed mills push the force straight up into the spindle when milling and plunge milling. So I see no problem here.
@@barrysetzer if that's 80%, then that's not a 100 hp.
The machine has 100HP, didnt say we were using all of it Nono
AMAZING ,,,, Man,,
Those parameters are badass.
Yeah man! Ive never done 1500 sfm in 4140, let alone drive a feed mill at 350 ipm. This thing is a friggin monster
But a digit too many on Feed & Speed in Metric, fz 0.66 and F8890 would kill that tool and machine, fz 0.066 mm/tooth and F889 mm/min would be better !!! 😉, but numbers on Imperial and machining are correct.
Hey YT, i just checked the math, .026” per tooth and 350” per minute is what we were running at. Thats .66mm per tooth and 8890mm per minute
@@barrysetzer Hi Barry sorry, you're correct, ..... 0.026 x 25.4 = 0.66 mm/rev, ... my bad 😉, impressive Feed.
Almost 9000 mm/min is 150 mm/sec, it takes around 6 second on straight cut so the part is approx 900 mm long ( 35 inches ) ?? !!!
Haha YT youre usually RIGHT, so you scared me! But thank you for watching!!!!
100hp in a spindle blows my mind.
And whats incredible is that it has 100hp at 1500 rpm, AND at 8,000 rpm. Most spindles have the power at low spindle speeds, but not high.
@@barrysetzer this spindle is brutal 😍
I'm guessing this is going to be some sort of press/mould tool?
Those wouldn't be made of titanium. My guess is some manifold, perhaps even a turbine/engine housing.
@@T220931
Titanium? Its steel.
@@T220931 Yeah it's 4140 steel...
Oh my bad. Have a good one!
Check ua-cam.com/video/jUUF4fX_jL4/v-deo.html 😉
🤔 why would you pour water on inserts? I would be afraid of thermal shock.
How many inserts did you go through making this video?
It was the same inserts from beginning to end, believe it or not. Even after i dumped water on them while hot LOL
How many times did you change the inserts?
We actually used the same 9 inserts for all 54 minutes, even after pouring water on them while hot to add in some thermal shock
@@barrysetzer How about a close-up of the inserts afterwards?