I've been an independent Baptist for 40 years. I never knew it was a "movement". Over the years, I've come to believe that the churches are full of unsaved pastors and members. With a "123 Repeat after me" and giving "assurance" of salvation to lost people type doctrine just opens the door wide open to satan. Truely Saved men of God preaching the Truth will keep the devil away. I was a "lost" ,"preacher" too. But when I got under real preaching the Holy Spirit convicted me and I was able to believe the Gospel and Jesus forgave me of my sin. I thang God in in a small independent Baptist church where Truth is preached.
I grew up independent Baptist and it was a cult. I'm not saying that every church is this way but the one I went to was. It was a culture of deep shame that I struggle with today. They were so strict that I couldn't wear jean material (skirt) because men wear jeans.
I go to an IFB church and I love it! I got saved by a soul-winner preaching the crystal clear Gospel from the word of God, and been going to that church ever since. I got plugged in, got more clean time under my belt than ever, and my life is going uphill in many areas. There's also an opportunity to go organized soul winning every day of the week and spread the message to another me looking for truth. While I do have my own opinions and convictions like most people, I love that we keep the main thing, the main thing. There's no perfect church out there so we just do the best we can to align with his Word not ours. I've never been personally attacked by my pastor or any other church member about what I believe or what I do. Just clean preaching from the Bible
Thank you so much for your honesty and the kind way that you shared such important information. I got Saved during my college years in the late 1960s. All of the rules and shaming were causing me to be anxious and depressed. I felt hopeless. I finally had to quit going to that Independent Baptist Church and had to dissolve any friendships or relationships that I had associated with that church. I moved to another city where there were a number of Independent Baptist Churches. Today, they are all gone. I attend a great church now and am growing spiritually. You have helped me to have closure completely now with realistic presentation. May God abundantly bless your family and your ministry.
I got free when I was 18, I'm almost 27 now. Still not sure of anything and also lost my memories of everything you described except I always felt my mind and body react in a way as if there was trauma, anytime I tried to find a community with people who can love and accept me without instilling this kind of fear. Like none of it is real.😢 thank you for sharing this, most people don't really know what IFB, and I have to show my therapist this video to help heal
I guess I don't fully understand the complaint. I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic high school. We all had to wear exactly the same things, all had to use the same Bible, say exactly the same prayers, taught that classical music is the only music, taught that even thinking about just entering a Protestant church was instant damnation etc. In comparison, baptist churches are mind blowingly different, including compared to each other. And there is infinitely less pressure to conform, by a long shot. The spiritual inconsistencies seem so much smaller. By the way, Im very welcomed, even as a Cathoic Latino! I'm not finding racism or bigotry at all.
I think it is so important that people who long to walk in the abundant life the Christ has for us understand that Jesus himself is The Word. All of scripture is supposed to point him and what did he say? Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. If our church or spiritual groups are not expanding our love for one another, and for God, as well as deepening our humility, peace and freedom, but instead are putting burdens and yolks upon us that resemble more bondage than freedom, then we are immersing ourselves in something that resembles more of a cult than a church. This is the sad state that so many even well-meaning churches are in. When our focus is on doctrine and defending truth and being “right” we tend to huddle in our bubbles and/or hunker down in fear. anxious. This reflects a dim light (if any) to a world is in need of the healing power of God’s unconditional and transforming love.
I can relate. Graduated from an IBF college back in the 70's and served as a church planter/pastor mostly bi-vocationally. Around the fifteen year mark of my ministry I began to question many of the practices and beliefs I was taught in my twenties. God in His grace connected me with a pastor who had started a church in Michigan who was a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary. We became fast friends. Over the next 8 years we would meet once a month for accountability, discussing Scripture and discipleship. As time went on, the scales began to all off my eyes as I realized that my ability to be a critical thinker had been eroded through unquestioning loyalty to the doctrines and lifestyle dogmas of the IBF movement. Ironically, in my fifties I returned to academia and earned my graduate and post graduate degrees from two original IBF universities, Liberty and Tennessee Temple. By this time, both Liberty and Tennessee Temple had soften their positions on dress, music, KJO etc... and were more balanced in their approach in teaching systematic theology and personal convictions. My critical thinking skills were welcomed, not shunned. Today at 71, I lead the men's ministry at a Southern Baptist Church in South Carolina and also work part time as a jewelry appraiser. As a lifelong learner, I never stop evaluating and critiquing my Biblical worldview. Like you, I am at peace knowing that always being right is not a requirement for becoming a mature believer. Knowing that my relationship with Jesus does not depend and obeying a laundry list of do's and don'ts. Thanks for this insightful video. I could not have articulated it any better! Bless you my brother!
I’m 25 and left the church when I was 19. It has been a ROUGH time deconstructing those beliefs but I’m finally getting somewhere. This video made me feel so heard and understood
John spoke of you.....They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
I have been an Independent Baptist since I was saved in 1967. I have been an independent Pastor for 49 years. Many of the things you are talking about I have never held or taught. I do believe the King James Bible is Gods Bible for the English-speaking people.
Pastor I honor your service, at 51 I just started ministering at a local care home....many of the things he says is exactly why I attend a local Independent Baptists church. Serving God- Consistency and a way of Life. ❤️❤️
I do believe you should dress your best as respect to God. Some music is more entertaing than praise if you have a good teaching pastor he can explain. King James Version conviction does nt always make you feel good but will make you want to do better
That’s interesting seeing as your tradition, explicitly opposes the top command of Christ, and seeing as the KTV is not even a translation, it was king James editing the bishops Bible, and it is one of the least accurate Bibles out there.
I’m going through the same you already been through. I had no idea really what I got into coming from a secular Christian church background. I was able to see that the pastor and congregation always dressed to impress and how my pastor looked down at me and my wife for not meeting the dress code in their eyes. After a few months attending last week’s message woke me up. He preached about how clothing makes you right before God. He also said men can’t wear shorts even when you’re not in church! The last time I read the Bible Jesus wore a tunic, was born in a poor manger and didn’t have a place to lay his head. MANY LEGALISTIC CHURCHES DONT REALIZE THAT THEY ARE DOING THE SAME SIN AS THE PHARISEES WERE SO CONDEMNED FOR! (Holiness is judging your self and legalism is judging others) Legalism is based on fear and pride. It says “I must do this to prove how good I am! Man sees the outside appearance but GOD sees the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7 I’ll end with LUKE 18:9-14. The religious Pharisee prayed with himself because God didn’t hear him. WHO CAN BE RIGHT BEFORE GOD AND HOW? Luke 18:9-14 9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted🙌
“The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty.” -Anne Lamont. Faith is struggling for truth, not having the Truth. I couldn’t have faith if I didn’t doubt.
Your video hits home for me, but in a very unique way. I need prayer as it's soul wrenching for me this journey. Not coming out of IFB, but forcefully going in. See I'm in a very unique situation. I was non denominational. Radically changed, converted to Christ through the use of Christian hip hop outreach. Began to lead in a very passionate and radical way traveling the world to see others know the same Christ I encountered. Then one day I met a man who was very encouraged by my church and the music outreach I was involved with, but he was a Nazarene. Not too big on his denomination though it was in the family. I had my doubts but Because I believe like you said as a non denominational I went forward. He was sincere in His love for God and wanting to grow. We married after he felt "called" to my church. Eventually through a hunger of wanting to study he came across IFB UA-cam channels that changed his life. He built a good friendship with a brother who just happened to be IFB unbeknownst to him. So when it all tied together he just knew it was God. That said, I'm now advised and expected to submit to my spouse. We have been attending the IFB church for about 2 years now. Personally we have fought so much about it. My husband is a covert narcissist so this denomination fits him exactly. He is very particular on everything even on the home front. I'm constantly told the woman was always used to deceive the man in the word and that I'm just under the enemies influence and am a wife to be ashamed of. I believe he'd like to be an IFB leader one day. It's so very hard for me. So very hard. Thanks for prayers. I've had much advice but don't have peace yet to change anything. Pray that direction and peace will come at the right time.
This is a uniquely tough situation and I hope you find guidance through it. When I left my first youth pastor position my wife (then fiancé) was immediately to blame. It’s a tough environment that unfortunately draws men in that fit the bill. Prayers that you find peace and answers!
Hi Chris. I grew up in an IFB church and went to an IFB college so I can relate to a lot of this. Music and clothes were a big deal to my parents and still are. God used my girlfriend who is now my wife to help me see that the reasoning my parents used was flawed and not based on Scripture. The biggest thing that has helped me is to ask what the standard is. For a lot of IFB folks the standard seems to be their traditions and what they have been taught and what they personally are convicted of. There is no room for genuine disagreement. And often their convictions are not based in Scripture. As you've probably already realized, there is no prohibition in scripture of using drums or other sorts of instruments that IFB churches prohibit. In fact, there is usage of those things in the Psalms. And the same goes for the KJV. They hold it up as the standard and judge all other translations against it but without a solid reason for why it should be the standard. Anyway, I hope you are in a healthier church situation now. My wife and I now attend a reformed Baptist Church in Providence Rhode Island. We don't align 100% with their doctrine but they are committed to the Scriptures and growing together as believers and that has made a huge difference.
I just want to thank you for posting this. I have only been a believer for about a year. I came to faith on my own accord. Well, what I mean is that I wasn’t pressured into it by friends or family, but I did finally reach a point where I threw up a prayer asking God to reveal Himself and He has…repeatedly. Recently I came across a guy in the comments section of another video here on UA-cam and the guy was vehemently proclaiming he was an atheist. He then went on to explain how he had been raised in a cult and was done believing in God. I resisted the urge to argue and instead asked questions and he went on to explain that he wasn’t calling all Christians a cult, just Independent/Fundamental Baptists. Anyways, he also went on to tell me that he left faith all together, but we connected over the fact that I used to be an addict and he’s currently battling an alcohol addiction. I wanted to try to understand his perspective more so I went in search about why he would believe that Independent Baptists were a cult, and based on your account here, I understand it so much more than I did when he brought it up. He didn’t really want to get into it, so hearing you give your account has been incredibly helpful. I feel like he has thrown his entire faith away, like you mentioned in this video, but he needs help. I realize I have no power over whether or not he finds his way back to Christ, but I feel like the Holy Spirit is guiding me to just be there for him. Your openness will at least help me to empathize with him a little more and I can’t thank you enough. God bless 🙏
They never allowed Non Essentials! There is a foundation but in the whole of scripture there are different interpretations and it's okay to discuss that. One of the most important things I was taught was Non essentials. Denominations can worship their own doctrinal positions instead of Jesus! Jesus sat with sinners and taught them while he loved them. I prefer Non denominational. Denomination is a division of a whole.
Hey dear brother anytime you are in a cultic environment you cant see the forest for the trees I grew up in it now I can’t stomach it but I still fight it it’s still intertwined in my being
I noticed you can't question doctrine. Or the pastor or what he's preaching. We used to attend a IB church we don't anymore. Infact we don't go to church. We read our bibles and pray and serve him. I'm tired of church's preaching about money. I'm so happy you didn't lose your faith in him.
I am a Christian, but I told my wife I regret marrying into an IFB family. After several years, most of them have not made me feel welcomed, reached out to me, and place their churches, church camps, church events, church activities above family. The IFB religion and it’s subculture leaves a lot to be desired.
I really appreciate your words here. I feel like I’ve been deconstructing my IFB background for 20 years now. You really nailed it when you likened it to racism towards the end, I never really thought of it like that before. It’s not racism per se, and I don’t think the IFB movement is racist, but there’s the same air of superiority and emphasis on “separation” from everything and everyone different that is at the heart of actual racism. I get what you mean and I think you are on to something. I am a Christian, I believe and love the Bible, I believe Jesus is the only way to the Father, I’m committed to my Bible believing church and I share the gospel with others, etc. And there’s a lot about IFB churches that I still admire, particularly the zeal to witness. But I’ve been very slowly peeling away the real distinctives of that movement, especially the KJV onlyism and the deeply entrenched belief that every other kind of church is false, and I feel the same freedom that you describe. I loved this video and intend to listen again. Thank you and I hope you are still strong in your faith in the Lord Jesus, don’t ever give up on HIM.
The unspoken understanding... absolutely spot on. Its amazing how much all IFB churches are almost carbon copies of one another. Have you heard pf "Baptist Bride"?? Look it up...
A good youtube listen: Born Again Barbarian's channel, "For God's Sake, Don't Go To Church!" and "RUN FROM THE CHURCH BUILDINGS!!!". They are designed with the recovering Independent Fundamental Baptist in mind!
Baptist do not believe in miracles. They said the time for it is over. I just had a friend healed from cancer and he said, “Thank you Jesus”. Before, he was a Sikh from India, now he is a Christian. We are told to pray for the sick and cast out demons. It does not mean all sick will be healed and all demons would go but we do not know what God can do when we obey his command. I cannot be a Baptist.
Well they are exactly right. You're right about that but there are good reasons for it. Look up the 4 videos, Third Adam 1,2,3 and 3X There's also a book called "Calling Evil Good" go check it out to find the understanding of these things .
I like much of what you said up to the end where you said (I do hope I heard you wrong and if so, please clarify) the Bible is not “ the one truth.” I take strong exception to this. The scriptures are the FINAL AUTHORITY in all matters of faith and practice! You were taught wrong about the King James but it is still an accurate and viable translation. I spent 20 years in the IFB myself and how I got out and on to better thinking and better doctrine was by holding firm to the scriptures and claiming the verse “Let God be true but every man a liar!” God’s preserved word is not limited to a single translation of the Bible and the King James Only position actually undermines the Chicago Statement on biblical inerrancy. I left all the silliness behind and am now more Independent, more Fundamental, and more Baptist than ever! Just rightly defined and for all of the right reasons!
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment . . . So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. (Heb 9:27, Rom 14:12) This beguiled young man, along with all you readers (and me, too) will fulfill those two verses. Have a nice day. Maranatha !
Thank you for this video, you pretty nailed it. I see all this and has been bothering me for the longest time. I hope one day to leave the movement and never look back.
There were many eye opening moments for me as I moved away from this denominational cult as it were. My uncle was the Pastor if my first church as a “Youth Director”. He asked me to leave after I asked what “Lording over the Flock” meant. Ooops ha. He was using the Bible to threaten the church into keeping quiet and letting him dictate his ideas. One huge thing for me was also realizing there was no building in the NT called a sanctuary to attend like a temple, no priest regarded as being in charge of your decisions and no altars to pray at. Read about why the veil was torn from top to bottom. 🙂
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Bible prophecies are continuing to be fulfilled. The human heart and the human brain each have their own memories. Life and love are miracles from God each day. God is love. God is glorious. God hates sin.
he's seeking the world. you bible believers are pathetic. you know the truth but dont stick to it. i came from CALVINIST background. i didn't know OSAS until i was old. the world drove me mad and trust me it will eat any one of you little bible believers if you leave your company. when i came to bible believing truth just 2 years ago, i finally had peace and joy. the world always lures you with niceties at first. but then it eats you.
Amen brother. You hit the nail in the head. Instead of guidance i got judged and shunned without matt 15, they skipped it but im about to in and demand to be heard. Not for my sake but the sake of the kids being handled by narcotics
I feel your pain. I can relate to what you say on so many levels. We cannot walk alone, we must rely on christ and the finished work on the cross. It is a new covenant, thus why its called the new testament. So the question i ask myself is what is the difference in what we do and what they did in the old testament. Also, are we doing things the same as the world. What is salvation and what does it look like for a new Christian. I believe music does effect us in a negative way, if its not sound doctrine the Kjv is the best translated, from the Greek and Hebrew languages, how ever there is some Aramaic written portions that are loosely translated.. its a narrow way and fee find it.. i pray you do. Don't get caught up in activities of the church if they are worldly
I left the southern Baptist convention Church to IFB and after researching the history of Dispensationalism i left the ifb and now i am now just a Christian who believes the king James Bible is Gods preserved Word to the English speaking people of God. I am a historicist in theology and i believe Jesus is the Son of God and He died for whosoever will come to Him in faith and repentance and Acts 2:38 be baptized for the remission of Sins and its valid for as many as the Lord calls. Legalism and man made rules and scripture twisting will save no one. God bless everyone. Jesus is still saving lost souls and keeping them preserved in Him. Amen +
One of the problems with Christianity is that most sermons are either solely about the New Testament or are Joel Osteen style sermons that have very little to do with either the New or Old Testament. Most of Joel Osteen type sermons resemble improved Tony Robbins motivational type lectures on how to be successful in life or resemble get rich quick schemes. Deuteronomy 4:2 basically says not to substitute Joel Osteen type material for the Old Testament as Joel Osteen type sermons support Christianity’s adulterous & idolatrous worship of idols, money & financial success. The reason the Old Testament or Tanakh is so important is that the Old Testament is more or less a history book of the human race. And if you don’t learn from history, you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes you have made in the past. The main problem with the New Testament is that in terms of a history book, it only goes back to the time of JC. The New Testament just doesn’t cover a very long time period. The Old Testament goes back to creation of the universe and covers a much larger time frame. The big question is about whether or not Christians should be worried in the least. The answer is found in Isaiah 27:1 with the Leviathan representing Christianity. G - - always lives up to His promises. Of course, you would only know this fact if you have read the Old Testament. Another thing to consider if you are well read in the Tanakh is that the Levites lived on tithes in exchange for teaching G - -‘s word to the populace. Not long after the prophet Joshua died, the Levi group of priests much like Joel Osteen began teaching the populace more about what they felt the populace wanted to hear with the motivation largely being to get the biggest donations. Once Jews re-instituted idol worship & turned away from worshipping G - -, G - - had approximately 95% of the Jewish population massacred first by the Assyrian army and then by the Babylonian army. Only a small remnant of Jews survived. G - -‘s punishment for the Jews was considerably worse than what happened to Jews in World War II in terms of percentage of the population massacred. And G - - considered Jews His children. So if you think Christians will somehow escape G - -‘s wrath from idolatrous Joel Osteen type preaching, then think again as G - - doesn’t have the same type of relationship with Christians due to Christian worship of JC as their savior. Isaiah 27:1 will eventually prevail, and G - - will very likely not spare even a single Christian artery or vein. In fact Obadiah 18 basically states that there will be no survivors from the house of Esau. Are there any other unforeseen problems created by Joel Osteen type preaching whereby very little Tanakh based scripture is taught during sermons? Yes. First Christians suffer immensely financially & socially from this type of Tanakh-free preaching. Just look at how many radio talk shows have popped up in major cities across the USA with the theme of “catching cheaters” in regards to adultery. Cheater themed talk shows are incredibly popular and are now major advertising revenue creators for radio talk shows as radio listeners love to hear about other peoples’ misery. Adultery, and divorce caused by adultery is absolutely rampant throughout America. The social costs are in the multiple billions in terms of children who now live with one parent or who now have to move back and forth between parents during the holidays. Poor quality, low Tanakh content Joel Osteen type Christian preaching also invariably leads to rampant antisemitism when divorced broken family angry Christians look at their happily married Jewish neighbors who tend to not only be happy in life but who tend to have multiple happy and well adjusted children. And all this Christian divorce, misery & unhappiness could be so easily avoided if only Christians would realize that the only person cashing in on Tanakh-free sermons is possibly Joel Osteen and his family. Tanakh-free sermons create a situation much like the mega state lottery where there is only one 400 million dollar winner and everyone besides the winner loses the $3 they paid for the tickets. With Tanakh-free sermons, Joel Osteen is the main lottery winner. Additionally, the Christian version of the Old Testament in the Christian Bible has been so severely altered to support Christianity’s love for idolatry and adultery, that the Christian version of the Old Testament is no longer even remotely usable. Go to Sefaria.org or Chabad.org to get an unaltered free online version. If you don’t believe adultery is a problem in the USA just contemplate the proliferation of morning radio show programs about catching cheaters. Additionally, what does the Tanakh or history of the human race say about false prophets/ preachers who lead their sheep-like followers astray for massive financial gain? Well, it never, ever ends well. For example, mega-preacher Gwen Shamblin Lara who instead of teaching Tanakh based scripture, tried to get Christians to lose weight through nutrition. Gwen Shamblin Lara perished at a very young age in a plane crash along with her husband and 5 other church leaders. And the list of Christian-type total disasters goes on. The reason Gwen Lara Shamblin perished is that historically one of G - -‘s main weapons of destruction for His enemies is disease / pestilence. Obesity is a disease, and if G - - had allowed Gwen Lara Shamblin to continue living, she would have been in direct conflict with G - - in preventing Isaiah 27:1 from coming to fruition. Read last 3 paragraphs below to learn about G - -‘s other preferred weapons He sometimes uses on His enemies. I know many people feel “saved” by JC, but there is a big difference between “feeling saved” and actually being “saved.” For example, you might feel totally saved & safe jumping off a plane 30,000 miles up because you “feel” you have the best parachute money can buy. However, if you forget to read and apply Tanakh to your life and cheat on your spouse, you won’t actually be safe if the parachute cord was cut by your spouse after discovering the affair. But, then it is too late once you’re headed downward at 110 miles per hour. You see, you don’t want to end up fulfilling Isaiah 27:1 with your own life. If you’re interested in current events about the talk about the Gog Magog war starting, read Ezekiel 38:18-23. Isaiah 27:1 basically continues with Ezekiel 38:18-23 if you want to learn what happens when G-‘s anger flares up over army invasion of Israel’s soil. G - -‘s weapons of choice will be pestilence, bloodshed, torrential rain, hailstones & sulfurous fire, so that the world will know that G - - is both Lord and savior. Judging from past holy wars, bloodshed is typically referring to as some type of psychological warfare on enemy army where enemy soldiers standing next to each other begin fighting each other in confusion. You see that if you are well read in Tanakh, you see the world through a very different lens, and you immediately see and understand that the current war Russia is unleashing on the world is nothing more than G - -‘s very creative way of using a number of countries to fulfill Isaiah 27:1 as G - - once unleashed the Babylonians & Assyrians on Israel as a very creative form of punishment for the Jews. Ukrainian Jews were less than 1/2 of 1% of the Ukrainian population, and post World War II Jews are incredibly well versed at exiting war torn countries well before situations worsen. The main concept from the scriptures that directly relates to current events is the concept of “bloodguilt“ and the book of Samuel I. Vladimir Putin will very likely end up exactly like King Saul due to excessive bloodguilt - premature death - but not before first being used by G - - to bring Isaiah 27:1 to fruition. 457
Like all things in life, balance is key! Im ifb and know it's culty sometimes but it is right on a lotta things. We never want to be legalistic but we also don't want to be lukewarm
I've mostly quit any type of large church. I just go to a small gathering sometimes of people my age, many of who were damaged by the IFB. I just can't worship a God portrayed like the IFB portrays. It's a Christian concentration camp who argues over legalism using an old translation that only speaks literally without context. I'm still a Christian, but I also have looked at the spiritualism of cultures who never had a Jesus to better understand my own God. And, what I find, is that most Christians are blind and afraid of the God they worship. There are so many questions, but I don't believe in a God who condemns his creation to an eternal torture out of love. That would be a monster. For now, I just choose to believe there is a God that is teaching me things through life to be. It's true, I have many questions and doubts, but I know there is a God out there who loves me and I have to have faith that he has my best interest in mind. The IFB is a cult, and it's purely evil where Jack Hyles is god, the fourth part of the trinity. Jesus taught love and acceptance with two main commandments. Love your neighbor and love your God.
Brother, I'm not IFB but a Gospel believer who would be more comfortable with non-denom Bible churches, especially those associated with the open Brethren. I appreciate the evangelism emphasis of the IFB and the strong stand they generally take on salvation by faith alone and the eternal security of the believer. They do tend to over-emphasise the sinners prayer methodology mind that doesn't sit so easy with me. Nonetheless, many have come to saving faith through the witness of IFB churches and that I praise God for. The main thing that puts me off the IFB is the spiritual elitism that affects many but I certainly wouldn't say all and I am aware of more moderate less sectarian IFB fellowships that are virtually indistinguishable from conservative Bible churches. I hope these are the future of the movement and gain more traction. The elitism really comes out in their insistence on separation standards for living a sanctified Christian life. Much of this goes beyond the Scriptures or is at best majoring on minors. However, non-conformity or not conforming enough can and does result in cold shouldering and being given a rocky ride spilling over into spiritual abuse. I greatly admire your honesty in this video about the struggles you have faced and may it give hope and encouragement to those undergoing the same. Many, many blessings to you and your household Chris.
Chris, my story is very similar to yours. I’m in the deconstructing phase and it’s actually going pretty well. I’m so frustrated by some of comments here. The mean ones like “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out,” just prove the spiritual racism you referred to. The ones trying to defend the movement just prove the perpetual blindness. It’s like they’re trying to tell you things you’ve already heard and even yourself preached a million times. Did they even listen to the video?? 😡
The spiritual abuse and manipulation is rampant in the comments and speak for themselves. The “and you know it” is my favorite. Such a clear example of gaslighting. No, I know no such thing and is the reason I have moved on and found healing. Thanks for the supportive comment!
God bless you & thank you so much for your time & encouragement. You are another answered prayer & I thank the Lord for listening to me, directing me to truth & healing. Your testimony is exactly what I needed to hear & your calm, humble spirit delivered it beautifully. I have been praying so much for the Lord to guide me to the right church, you helped confirm that I need to leave the IFB church I've grown up in. I understood everything you said and completely relate. I also really appreciate your candor about your mental health, this helped me confirm my suspicions that both my depression & anxiety have strong roots tied to this church as well. Again I cannot thank you enough, God put this video in my path at such a perfect time.
I've searched many churches in my area coming out of a large prosperity preaching church that pushed there sins under the rug. Finding the only one that took the word of serious and lived a life of separation of worldly things was a ifb with a pastor that show love to all that came in the doors regardless of what they where wearing. The closer the walk with God the less of a desire to look like the world
Those of us who are gen x and were raised in these cult like settings have a unique view on this topic. Nobody else will ever empathize properly …for those survivors who are deconstructing, the journey continues. God chose to put us in these families for reasons that are only becoming clear to me now that I’m nearing a half century in age. Being a homeschooler and having constant Bible memorization in the KJV ended up serving me very well as an academic ! It also really helps me in jeopardy. As far as my spiritual healing, it has come from small unpredictable sources over the years. Ironically, after hating anything to do with Christianity throughout my 20s and 30s due to my trauma, I now love the Bible and my faith more than I could have imagined but never will I darken the door of another church!!! That’s just not where the Holy Spirit works in me … and that’s quite all right with me because the longer I’m away from the institution, the more I develop gratefulness to my maker and find the joy in my salvation!
you know why no one empathizes with you? because we grew up in CALVINIST CHURCH. WE DIDN"T FIND THE TRUTH UNTIL WE WERE OLD! you knew the truth from the beginning and got lured away by the devil. shame! shame! shame! you know i never even heard of OSAS until i was old???? do you know what madness you get to when you dont even know OSAS?????
I just barely attend Bible Baptist church and I witness some of the things you're talking about women wearing dresses and skirts men and suits saying that the king james Bible is the only Bible you can use and I was discouraged to use the NIV which just makes it simpler to understand the word of God And of course I do have an IV and A And the king James but the thing I couldn't understand is that he was jumping around from roost to verse and then he was staying on 2 verses for over an hour then he got into politics and then he got into other other discussions thinking that this is related to the subject which I couldn't fall along at all And they sing these old hymns and everything else I felt so at a place I don't even know if I should continue to go or not I'm not saying that all the teachings are bad but I just don't understand it I never was raised a Baptist and I've been looking for a church
I do believe a lot of what IFB does as far as only KJV, to wear dresses, but some is a little to much that favors cultists views. Seems they are against other denominations yet they do the same things such as women wearing no pants, long hair(pentecostals) men in suits(JW) and (SDA), and it's their views or no views. I do feel like an outcast there. Like they now I doubt the IFB and I do feel ignored. They know I am questioning the IFB. I do like the preaching but until I started watching these videos, I probably have missed a lot of things that was said but I will try listen harder. Not every IFB is the same but I do not like that my family won't go there bc they have a red flag hanging over them. So confused as what to do bc my daughter goes there and I got her to go there. Lots of prayers coming so I can be lead correctly.
It's a tough struggle for sure. My encouragement is to read the Bible, but as it is and not through the filter they put on it. There are a lot of comments that IFB folks are leaving and they are quoting heavily on scripture. That's a good thing, it just doesn't always mean what they think it means. This leads to manipulating the Bible because "you know what it means" and "be not like the world". While those statements are true, what isn't true is that just because I'm not like you I'm "of the world".
I am thankful you got out of that legalistic group. To complete your process of liberation I invite you to consider Ultimate Reconciliation. There are many great UA-cam channel on it. The Total Victory of Christ is a good place to start. Love Unrelenting is another.
As an independent Baptist pastor, it seems like you weren't in a great church. That's the beauty of being independent. When one church goes legalistic and such, it doesn't affect any other church.
Lol I know from experience they are all mostly the same especially here in the south. Do they really think southern gospel is the music played in heaven? Probably far from it. Women shouldn't wear jeans, men and women separate in most church things, judgmental, contemporary Christian music is bad, looked down upon if divorced, scare people to get saved by constantly talking about hell when they should be teaching on God's love which they do but hell hell hell constantly. So many other things. I still go to one mainly because of my wife. It was her church when we got married 6 years ago. I still haven't joined and probably won't. I'm sure I'm talked about behind my back and compared to wife's former deceased husband but I don't care. I work out alot lol so I know they won't say anything to my face. And they look down on other denominations even southern Baptist which gets me because I had deceased relatives who were southern Baptist and really good Christians.
@@chuck8925 Sorry to hear about your situation. There are plenty of bad churches out there. The name on the sign doesn't make a church good. I pray that you find a good church that you can both grow in one day. I grew up in IFB churches like you have described, but they aren't all like that. A good church is a breath of fresh air.
now i know why Jesus takes up the dead in christ first. because these christians are the most pathetic sad of all history. you IFB arent sticking to the TRUTH !! you are letting the world guilt you !!! well the world is no good!!! I came from the world!!! i didn't know OSAS until i was old!!! i was driven mad by the world and it's religions !!! but finally i found bible believing truth and am happy. you guys have the right stuff but you are pathetic if you dont stick to it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@chuck8925 If you want to discuss sameness, have I got a story for you. I grew up Catholic, went to 4 years of Catholic school. Sameness? My friend, we all had to wear EXACTLY the same uniform. The nuns were all dressed alike. Every Catholic church is almost identical, there is militant sameness and rules for everything. I have lately begun exploring becoming a Baptist (long story) and found that the differences beteeen your churches are BEWILDERING, it's like being on another planet. So I don't get the complaint about "sameness"-- if you don't like sameness, try going to a Catholic mass ANYWHERE! Sorry I just don't understand where people are coming from with that complaint.
@@chuck8925 As the Bible says, you have become "unequally yoked" to your wife. Your yoke will never be made correct until this problem of your wife's judgemental church has been resolved between the two of you. When both of you decide to honestly tackle this problem (with a resolution happening) your marriage will be healed.
Yep guilt ridden or wrong. 🤷♀️ the churches aren’t getting anyone closer to God they are hurting them more it bothers me. The world is a broken place let people be broken and to have them come to God themselves unless you can talk to them in a non judgmental/respectful way
I attended my first independent baptist in 2020. My reason they were open during lockdown. I knew immediately something was off. But I had heard enough to question why I felt to leave. I was awakened when the pastor said the holy spirit is not for today. The legalism and mockery of the spiritual gifts caused me to leave 2 months ago. Since then the pastor has tried to get my husband to come back. He shows up at his work and endlessly texts him. He has mocked and gossip ed about me in the pulpit. I'm so grateful God allowed me to realize it was time to leave
Now that's your personal feeling I am one but I have never felt that way we believe but force it on you either ideologically or practically that's your personal feeling and wanting to conform to this world u should be encouraging your self to stick to biblical principles not following trends peace with your faith security is only in Jesus Christ aslord and savior
It was actually Apostle Paul who said not to worry about the Commandments anymore and eat whatever you want. Jesus on whom be peace was not “insolent” to his blessed mother Mary, as the Quran teaches-and he did not eat the flesh of swine. He prayed in the wilderness to the One God. He fasted. He was kind. He was merciful-not like the “Christians of drunkenness and lechery and stalking-that I met.
Come on now! Independent Baptists are an awesome group of people. Rigid, judgmental, homely, and enjoying culinary delights in the fellowship hall after some night services consisting of pimento cheese sandwiches, cocktail sausages, potato chips, and the like.
I was a youth pastor for 10 years. It took years to get deprogrammed. I recommend Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill. It will free you forever and very quickly !
@@aaronadams8166 I understand it’s very unorthodox. Joe is a believer. Objectivity was stolen from my life as an independent Baptist. In fact everything was purposely taught in black and white as this video above stated. Bless you in your quest, I know it’s the hardest road I ever experienced. My heart is with you! Outwitting the Devil is another game changer for me. It’s a lot to take ask someone to open your mind after coming out of total legalism and conjured rules. Jesus dealt directly with this in the Bible. It’s very comforting to know He agrees with you😊
I've went to Baptist churches all my life, more because of a severe lack of options, but for me there is no spiritualalty in any of them... It's all about being seen and social standing as well as gossiping and spreading rumors. Here in the south if you don't go to a good ole country Baptist church you ain't right with the Lord and your going to hell SMH, it's like yeah I'm sure people who barley have a grasp on modern English are interpreting the Bible correctly. I don't trust any man who dresses like a used car salesman and screams at the top of his lungs and tries to scare people into belief (not saying you shouldn't have a deep fear of God because we all certainly should) but when you focus on it too much you miss out on his love and mercy which in my opinion is the true path to becoming closer to the Lord. The holy spirit came into my life more out of love for God than simply the fear of him. I only go to church because god tells us to go fellowship but I feel closer to God when I come home and research the Bible and talk to others online who understand where my faith is at and where I'm coming from... My faith isn't a one or two hour a week thing it's God god God 24/7 for me and I don't see anything like that when I go to church unfortunately...
that's not the HOLY GHOST. the HOLY GHOST loves BIBLE PREACHING. the HOLY GHOST loves RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT AND ANGER. you got the devil's ghost. the worldy spirit that doesn't like the bible being preached and wants everyone to hold hands. Proverbs 11:21 “Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.”
Dresses and skirts aren't a MUST... but it's encouraged but it's for modesty purposes. I am turning to this was. The church should NOT be worldly and the world should not be churchy. You're wrong about much of this and why.
Except the people who made up those rules are in hell or prison for molestation and adultery (Jack Hyles, Jack Schaap, David Hyles, etc. etc.). It’s a grift made to lure conservatives.
John 14:15 KJV - If ye love me, keep my commandments. Proverbs 11:30 KJV - The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. 1 John 4:21 KJV - And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Agreed, as an outsider-those who cannot follow their own commandments-as Jesus’s original teachings-on whom be peace-cannot be faithful to their own school communities, nor their own families, nor their own souls--my studies in other aspects of Christian tradition-Unitarian or Catholicism -is that such groups actually follow Jesus’ teachings, and are kind to people, (instead of misusing their power to hurt, stalk, or defame people who behaved correctly). May Allah bless the true practitioners of the teachings of Jesus, on whom be peace-on people who do not join gangs or Klanswomen’s Klans or hate groups that try and kill off brown people or Muslim women. For justice comes with mercy, and mercy is part of human love -which psychopaths from Klans misusing their religion do not understand.
@Kausam Salam Allah is in a Devil's Hell this very moment according to the WORD'S OF THE GOD OF THE BIBLE! Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the laugh no man cometh unto the Father but by ME, Jn14:6
Thank you for this video. I’m currently leaving my church for stuff like .. a girl has to wear dress and is a slut for wearing leggings meanwhile the pastor is cheating on his wife but they ignore it.
Thank you - well said. I look at the stars and appreciate just how little we know and are. I am still amused at the fanaticism shown to the King James Version of the bible and am left wondering how non-English speaking people can be saved because of their inability to read the KJV - or is that an excuse for racism?
The “view form your foxhole” is just that, your view, not the total picture. Independent Fundamental Baptists are not a sect or cohesive group, and no two churches are joined in any way other than fellowship with each other. There are no ties that bind like other churches that belong to the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) or other groups that are similarly associated to some type of. National or International body. Independent in IFB means Independent from other Churches as the Bible clearly teaches. Regional or (that) Church specific observances are just that, specific to that Church and others may also adopt the same but they are not Doctrine. The one thing that IFB churches do share is Doctrine, meaning if the Bible does not say it than it should not be included in the faith. As far as your statements, it is clear that you yearn to be part of the “World” and are seeking any reason to justify your choices. You know exactly what I mean, and you also know that other people in this comment section will have their head explode agreeing with what you have said as they also are looking for a reason to leave the perceived restrictiveness of the faith and fully embrace the world. The Apostle Paul spoke of the “Baby” Christian who was only able to drink milk because they were not developed enough to eat meat yet (1 Cor 3:2). In this analogy Paul is basically saying people who are new to the faith are only able to digest what is soft on their system and that through time (like how a baby develops and gradually starts eating solids) the more developed Christian would be able to understand. Just like you talk about your issues with racism you very easily grouped all IFB into the same category like it is a Denomination which it clearly is not. All people are humans created in GODS image, there is only one race of people. What you have missed is that point in your church is not that they deny bigotry amongst man, it is that racism is an impossibility since there is only one race. You are young and I cannot be hypocritical of your journey in faith because I had gone through the same things in my youth. I hope you continue to work through your questions and seek the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT and not that of man.
It's easy to tell that you have a personal grudge. When you say it's jesus plus their rules, that shows you to be a Liar. Because and let me make this very clear to you, legalism is adding anything to the plan Of salvation. When they say there are Standards of dress, this doesn't mean if you don't dress the way the bible clearly dictates. They are not saying you are not saved. It is faith and belief beyond the lip service in what christ accomplished on that cross and in his resurrection. Plus nothing! So don't lie when you are so clearly wrong. If you love your own sin more than you love the word of GOD, Then that is between you and GOD. That is not a problem of the church. If you are saved and you do attend regularly to your own personal prayer life, family altar And church attendance period then it will be very clear to you what is correct in the bible this guy is clearly upset about the music because he wants to keep the old rhythm of the disgusting music of this world and put it in the church to make God more palatable, He apparently thinks the bible is wrong when it says that men should not wear that which pertains To a woman And women should not wear that which pertains Unto a man. Once again not necessary for salvation what definitely what the bible says period that's why we have people running around calling themselves men wearing dresses, if that doesn't seem wrong to you then don't complain about anything else in this world.
I know it been a long time and you may or may still feel the same way and it sounds like you landed in a super strict IBF church but it of note to mention not all of them are the same. Yes I believe the KJV is the correct Bible for English speaking people and all you have to do is compare missing or changed versus from other versions and that all I needed as proof. Sure you can use other versions but why not use the best? NO! It doesn't mean your lost if you go to a different church and personally I find it hard to believe that any IBF church would teach that other the the Ruckman folks. Contemporary Christian music has its problems, Ray Botz, Tony Vincent, Amy Grant are perfect examples just look how they live thier lives and bang it is clear. I listen to Contemporary music as entertainment but not for worship, I'm not a fan of hymns either but it's not that big of issue for me. The pants the is supposed to be a modesty issue and I really don't agree with that concept and I don't mind arguing my point on the subject and my fellow Christians that disagree with me have never made me feel lesser in anyway but have defended thier position for sure and I'm OK with that. I have always resisted the cookie cutter mold that all people want to force on others because God made me a individual with my own mind and thoughts so im going to be myself regardless of what others think. I hope you landed in a good Church with solid teaching and that is a risk when you move out of the IBF and into a less fundamental Church is often they move away from the basic teachings of sound Bible study. Smiling Joe, Benny Hinn, TD Jakes, Kenneth Copeland are just a few that are examples of people that get sound doctrine completely wrong but if you got saved then bad doctrine is not going to get you lost by any means but I may have consequences in this life and the next as with all incorrect beliefs as would changing your alternator on your car when you actually have a radiator problem. God didn't die on a Cross so that we could beat ourselves into the ground with a rule book but rather free us from the penalty of the law forever! You do you man!
@@ilovemyboyfriend5425 Even Paul struggled with sin after being saved. That is not biblical and instead is using religion to control their congregation.
@@ilovemyboyfriend5425 You “can’t be saved” but only until you repent (do a 180-degree turn from that, or whatever path you are on) and turn to Jesus. No, we CANNOT DO anything to get salvation because Jesus already paid the penalty for our sin. Until you realize and accept that, neither you, nor I, nor anyone else in this world can be saved.
You can never agree with everything in all denomination but one principle is Jesus alone is the savior if ur not with us ur not with us we even don't have to listen to you unless ur willing to hear the truth of Jesus
Just don't go away from historical christian thought and whatvtge church has learned and practiced for 2000 years. Still hold to the fundamentals of the faith. We are not that different, unless yoj start believing anything you think is ok. We have to have rooted ourselves in Scripture Alone, in christ, faith and grace alone. Lay hold of eternal life.. 1tim6:12-14
I have problems with denominations (demoninations). Because Scriptures have no denomination. Secondly. I was raised without God. And toured big stages as a rock guitarist for years. I've had a worldly upbringing. Now I am 50 with a wife and three kids. And i have learned FROM Scriptures that every person is an angel, exiled in a body, with a demon. The world is ruled by Satan. Sending out the unsaved to seduce us to fall and fail. I once listened to contemporary Christian music. No more. It has ALL the hallmarks of worldliness that stimulates the flesh. It nurtures the demon side of us. I have lived around the Amish for years. And have learned some things. They understand what society does. Its quicksand. 2022 is far worse than 20 years ago. As tech advances, it becomes easier to be swept away by society. Satan owns this world. The people are gorgeous today. Many are wolves inside, ready to tempt you to pieces. Its EVERYWHERE. satan wants it to ne easy for us to party. To lavish. He wants our consciousness deep in this world. Because its all enmity to GOD. And you know what the Bible says about that. I agree with any church that tries to protect the heart. While i dont agree with controlling others or laying guilt. I do believe in not updating 1000s of years old TRUTH to mix better with 2022. This is a very dark period. Getting more sinful every day. And brainwashing masses into believing Bad is Good. Better stick with time tested wisdom. Your life here means ZERO compared to Salvation. Because if you die while you're not saved, it'll take a miracle to be.
Here is the Gospel (or, Good News): God says that we are sinners and that no amount of good works or behavioral changes on our part could ever make us holy enough to enter into Heaven. God sent His only begotten Son to be crucified on the cross to pay for our sins. Jesus paid a debt that He did not owe, because we owed a debt of sin that we could not pay. 2nd Corinthians 5:21, “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” Jesus paid for our sins by dying on the cross for us all. His dead body was buried in a grave. On the third day, Jesus raised up bodily from the dead. The instant you believe this, God knows it and He saves you. John 6:47, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” The free gift (Romans 5:15) is based solely upon your trust in what Jesus did for you, and has absolutely nothing to do with what you do for Him. Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” It is that simple my friend to be saved.
Wierd & boring! This is my last church been to so many over the years. After all the contemporary junk, the name it & claim it, carnivall Christianity, make me feel good churches I landed in a mountain Independant Baptist church. Preach the bible only, no wierd junk, no special mystery messages formulated by putting 19 various scriptures together out of context. Everything you talked about aint going on here, Ive heard others whine about the same things. Mostly from those that want worldly comprimise. KJV only, you betcha! Only the unwise will pick up a translation or version not knowing anything about it & claim its good. Best help yourself & do a study on the various translations & their intentions, it's a long ride but you need it.
You have been in an outstanding kind of Church brother Baptist who only taught and preaches what ks in the bible unlike other churches that use bible and more like other books, please dont be General Yes it is some Baptist became modern now they got drums their music theyre doctrine shifting but not all mate Not all Baptist Church are like where youve been, here in CA many Baptist Churches were like what your saying and we moved out and look for another old time church and found one. It doesn't mean i saw a mess in this place i will see it on the other side right.
The good thing about independent baptists is every church is independent and don’t all agree with how you describe your experience. I’m IFB and like Christian rock. I believe KJB only , am against modern church practices. But I have grace and fellowship with true brothers and sisters in Christ.
Great decision ! You can't disagree with a Fundamentalist. He will start making accusations against you. I have come to the conclusion that the movement is a cult. I could literally talk for hours about what is wrong with Fundamentalism but I am signing out.
You can give some people a million dollars and an apple pie and they wouldn’t be happy! Grinding the old axe here isn’t he, going public to discredit a church and a family, maybe there’s a reason they don’t bend over backwards for him! Just saying! 👍🏻
Brother, what you just said seem like you have just missed a good church IFB. Don't allow the apostesy of this age deceive you. I love the KJV and I love IFB.
So what im hearing, is you based your entire faith on a casting crowns song and a moment where you doubted God and the entire Bible. You didnt search the scriptures? You didnt pray and cry out to God to show you the truth and the right way? I dont know what church you grew up in but to decide your whole eternity on emtions and feelings is exactly what the devil wants you to do. Search the scriptures to see what God says and ask God to show you the right way, and God will show you, unless you just want to live in sin and your reasons are just excuses to do that. But the Bible says that he that trusteth in his own heart is a fool. I have a reason to believe thats why your still battling depression and anxiety. Your heart is not settled in the truth of Gods Word. There is no peace my God saith unto the the wicked. Theres still hope if you really want to know the truth but not if you just want your truth
I’m in a Bible believing church and I’m finding it to be annoying. I’m more stressed out and the pastors are weird. 🤷♀️🤔 They focus too much on how the world is evil and how Satan is the enemy. No you guys I truly believe that people are just broken and that’s why we can do bad things. We can either do good things or bad we have a choice which way to go.
It’s tough to sift through what is legitimate Bible teach and what is traditions and interpretations of men. Hang in there I hope you find what you are looking for!
I am born again. I am Baptist, fundamental, and independent. However I do not like what I often see in the Hyles/I.F.B. so I have quit going to church, not because of sin, but because I cannot find a Biblical church! As to the King James Version, the reason it is what we should read in English is because the modern translations are either good translations or bad translations or "dynamic equivalents" of the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. Those sources were long ago rejected by Christians because of the alterations made. The Textus Receptus is the good Bible text source, and the King James Version is a good translation of a good source.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9 “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” Romans 3:19-20 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10
@@peterchudleigh6708 this sounds like my experience as well. My former church had some incorrect doctrine, and they accused those with correct biblical doctrine of "damnable heresy." When we left, the visitation Pastor and his assistant came and talked to us, but they just argued, not willing to see truth. We had primarily left over sin in the church. Adultery, incest, vulgarity, carnality. They also thought of themselves as *THE* cutting edge of Christianity, and the best church in the world.
@@peterchudleigh6708 I was also saved outside of the I.F.B. I believed it was a description, not a title, but my Dad, who oftens sees the truth before us, began to believe it was a denomination itself. I disagreed, but he turned out to be true. My church we left about 13 years ago. I felt God convincing me through scripture to get out of that dump, and that it would be greatly judged. After we left, scandal broke out about messing with kids and covering it up and it fell apart, the head Pastor stepping down...and moving to another church. 🙄
@@peterchudleigh6708 they also were Arminian in their misunderstanding of grace and salvation, so I was called a hyper-Calvinist, and argued with a lot. I would use scripture to prove what I believed and they used raised voices and logical(attempted) argument. To this day, 13 years after having a church, I am still reading my Bible every day, usually 2 to 4 chapters, and having a time of prayer afterward, and then quick praying throughout the day as needed, and carrying tracts usually and witnessing online, but they accused me of not sharing to gospel because I was a "Calvinist." They do not understand grace and they did not know anything much about John Calvin. I am not Reformed or a hyper-Calvinist.
@@peterchudleigh6708 I have seen the very same thing at my old church. Pastor worship. It was sickening. I would not consider myself a Calvinist anymore than someone who believes in salvation by grace, through faith would call themselves a Lutheran. Neither man invented what they taught, but discovered it. I do agree with about 4 or 5 of the T.U.L.I.P. points, depending on the definition. Salvation is God's choice. Man has a free will and uses this for sin, so God can overrule that will via election and salvation. There was nothing elite or holy or divine or good in me to trust Christ as the Saviour. It was wholly God's choice. I had the same problem with them denying the Universal church. Yes, each church ought to be autonomous, but every believer is of the body of Christ, even if they never attended a church. Some cannot.
It's unfortunate you don't believe in the preserved Word of God. When you compare modern Bibles to the King James (God's Preserved Word, and the only flawless English Bible) you find that the difference is not only in the modernity of the language but modern Bibles change doctrine. They all do this. You can't convince me that altering God's Word to say and mean something different isn't of Satan.
Don’t give into your past just keep digging legalism is just wrong period some people who might know me out there aren’t gonna like what I’m saying but I can’t go back to be that way I was so so called heavenly minded is was no earthly good
There’s only one Finished Product of the English Bible to the English language God’s Mouthpiece to the rest of the world 🌎 1611 Authorized King James Bible! I’m sorry for your loss and your Bad experience. People and Churches are not perfect We all still have a old sinful nature. William Tyndall died for this translation of the 1611 all other versions come from Wescott and Hort!!
I've been an independent Baptist for 40 years. I never knew it was a "movement".
Over the years, I've come to believe that the churches are full of unsaved pastors and members. With a "123 Repeat after me" and giving "assurance" of salvation to lost people type doctrine just opens the door wide open to satan.
Truely Saved men of God preaching the Truth will keep the devil away.
I was a "lost" ,"preacher" too. But when I got under real preaching the Holy Spirit convicted me and I was able to believe the Gospel and Jesus forgave me of my sin.
I thang God in in a small independent Baptist church where Truth is preached.
It messed my life up
Bad... I was so bitter at God and anything having to do with it.
Was... I still am. I definitely still am
I grew up independent Baptist and it was a cult. I'm not saying that every church is this way but the one I went to was. It was a culture of deep shame that I struggle with today. They were so strict that I couldn't wear jean material (skirt) because men wear jeans.
I go to an IFB church and I love it! I got saved by a soul-winner preaching the crystal clear Gospel from the word of God, and been going to that church ever since. I got plugged in, got more clean time under my belt than ever, and my life is going uphill in many areas. There's also an opportunity to go organized soul winning every day of the week and spread the message to another me looking for truth. While I do have my own opinions and convictions like most people, I love that we keep the main thing, the main thing. There's no perfect church out there so we just do the best we can to align with his Word not ours. I've never been personally attacked by my pastor or any other church member about what I believe or what I do. Just clean preaching from the Bible
Jesus is the only way to be free.
Thank you so much for your honesty and the kind way that you shared such important information. I got Saved during my college years in the late 1960s. All of the rules and shaming were causing me to be anxious and depressed. I felt hopeless. I finally had to quit going to that Independent Baptist Church and had to dissolve any friendships or relationships that I had associated with that church. I moved to another city where there were a number of Independent Baptist Churches. Today, they are all gone. I attend a great church now and am growing spiritually. You have helped me to have closure completely now with realistic presentation. May God abundantly bless your family and your ministry.
I got free when I was 18, I'm almost 27 now. Still not sure of anything and also lost my memories of everything you described except I always felt my mind and body react in a way as if there was trauma, anytime I tried to find a community with people who can love and accept me without instilling this kind of fear. Like none of it is real.😢 thank you for sharing this, most people don't really know what IFB, and I have to show my therapist this video to help heal
Chris,
I am a former IFB pastor who now pastors a Independent Evangelical Church.
I can relate very much with what you said,
I guess I don't fully understand the complaint. I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic high school. We all had to wear exactly the same things, all had to use the same Bible, say exactly the same prayers, taught that classical music is the only music, taught that even thinking about just entering a Protestant church was instant damnation etc. In comparison, baptist churches are mind blowingly different, including compared to each other. And there is infinitely less pressure to conform, by a long shot. The spiritual inconsistencies seem so much smaller. By the way, Im very welcomed, even as a Cathoic Latino! I'm not finding racism or bigotry at all.
I think it is so important that people who long to walk in the abundant life the Christ has for us understand that Jesus himself is The Word. All of scripture is supposed to point him and what did he say? Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. If our church or spiritual groups are not expanding our love for one another, and for God, as well as deepening our humility, peace and freedom, but instead are putting burdens and yolks upon us that resemble more bondage than freedom, then we are immersing ourselves in something that resembles more of a cult than a church. This is the sad state that so many even well-meaning churches are in. When our focus is on doctrine and defending truth and being “right” we tend to huddle in our bubbles and/or hunker down in fear. anxious. This reflects a dim light (if any) to a world is in need of the healing power of God’s unconditional and transforming love.
I can relate. Graduated from an IBF college back in the 70's and served as a church planter/pastor mostly bi-vocationally. Around the fifteen year mark of my ministry I began to question many of the practices and beliefs I was taught in my twenties. God in His grace connected me with a pastor who had started a church in Michigan who was a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary. We became fast friends. Over the next 8 years we would meet once a month for accountability, discussing Scripture and discipleship.
As time went on, the scales began to all off my eyes as I realized that my ability to be a critical thinker had been eroded through unquestioning loyalty to the doctrines and lifestyle dogmas of the IBF movement. Ironically, in my fifties I returned to academia and earned my graduate and post graduate degrees from two original IBF universities, Liberty and Tennessee Temple. By this time, both Liberty and Tennessee Temple had soften their positions on dress, music, KJO etc... and were more balanced in their approach in teaching systematic theology and personal convictions. My critical thinking skills were welcomed, not shunned.
Today at 71, I lead the men's ministry at a Southern Baptist Church in South Carolina and also work part time as a jewelry appraiser. As a lifelong learner, I never stop evaluating and critiquing my Biblical worldview. Like you, I am at peace knowing that always being right is not a requirement for becoming a mature believer. Knowing that my relationship with Jesus does not depend and obeying a laundry list of do's and don'ts. Thanks for this insightful video. I could not have articulated it any better! Bless you my brother!
I’m 25 and left the church when I was 19. It has been a ROUGH time deconstructing those beliefs but I’m finally getting somewhere. This video made me feel so heard and understood
Stay strong! It’s a long road. It’s been over 10 years and we still struggle. Healing takes time!
John spoke of you.....They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
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@@krinks4677Did John use the KJV? Twisting the scripture to make it conform to your opinion. Is typical of the KJV only cult.
I have been an Independent Baptist since I was saved in 1967. I have been an independent Pastor for 49 years. Many of the things you are talking about I have never held or taught. I do believe the King James Bible is Gods Bible for the English-speaking people.
Pastor I honor your service, at 51 I just started ministering at a local care home....many of the things he says is exactly why I attend a local Independent Baptists church. Serving God- Consistency and a way of Life. ❤️❤️
This is the day of apostasy. Just go ahead what you want
I do believe you should dress your best as respect to God. Some music is more entertaing than praise if you have a good teaching pastor he can explain. King James Version conviction does nt always make you feel good but will make you want to do better
@@melbahall4180 I get it but when you make everything into a legalistic law what are you doing ?
That’s interesting seeing as your tradition, explicitly opposes the top command of Christ, and seeing as the KTV is not even a translation, it was king James editing the bishops Bible, and it is one of the least accurate Bibles out there.
I’m going through the same you already been through. I had no idea really what I got into coming from a secular Christian church background.
I was able to see that the pastor and congregation always dressed to impress and how my pastor looked down at me and my wife for not meeting the dress code in their eyes. After a few months attending last week’s message woke me up. He preached about how clothing makes you right before God. He also said men can’t wear shorts even when you’re not in church! The last time I read the Bible Jesus wore a tunic, was born in a poor manger and didn’t have a place to lay his head. MANY LEGALISTIC CHURCHES DONT REALIZE THAT THEY ARE DOING THE SAME SIN AS THE PHARISEES WERE SO CONDEMNED FOR! (Holiness is judging your self and legalism is judging others) Legalism is based on fear and pride. It says “I must do this to prove how good I am!
Man sees the outside appearance but GOD sees the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7
I’ll end with LUKE 18:9-14. The religious Pharisee prayed with himself because God didn’t hear him.
WHO CAN BE RIGHT BEFORE GOD AND HOW?
Luke 18:9-14
9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted🙌
“The opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty.” -Anne Lamont. Faith is struggling for truth, not having the Truth. I couldn’t have faith if I didn’t doubt.
Your video hits home for me, but in a very unique way. I need prayer as it's soul wrenching for me this journey. Not coming out of IFB, but forcefully going in. See I'm in a very unique situation. I was non denominational. Radically changed, converted to Christ through the use of Christian hip hop outreach. Began to lead in a very passionate and radical way traveling the world to see others know the same Christ I encountered. Then one day I met a man who was very encouraged by my church and the music outreach I was involved with, but he was a Nazarene. Not too big on his denomination though it was in the family. I had my doubts but Because I believe like you said as a non denominational I went forward. He was sincere in His love for God and wanting to grow. We married after he felt "called" to my church. Eventually through a hunger of wanting to study he came across IFB UA-cam channels that changed his life. He built a good friendship with a brother who just happened to be IFB unbeknownst to him. So when it all tied together he just knew it was God. That said, I'm now advised and expected to submit to my spouse. We have been attending the IFB church for about 2 years now. Personally we have fought so much about it. My husband is a covert narcissist so this denomination fits him exactly. He is very particular on everything even on the home front. I'm constantly told the woman was always used to deceive the man in the word and that I'm just under the enemies influence and am a wife to be ashamed of. I believe he'd like to be an IFB leader one day. It's so very hard for me. So very hard. Thanks for prayers. I've had much advice but don't have peace yet to change anything. Pray that direction and peace will come at the right time.
This is a uniquely tough situation and I hope you find guidance through it.
When I left my first youth pastor position my wife (then fiancé) was immediately to blame. It’s a tough environment that unfortunately draws men in that fit the bill. Prayers that you find peace and answers!
Yes this is narcissistic persons dream church . Praying for you.
Whoa… I’ve seen your comments on another channel but I can’t remember where…
Hi Chris. I grew up in an IFB church and went to an IFB college so I can relate to a lot of this. Music and clothes were a big deal to my parents and still are. God used my girlfriend who is now my wife to help me see that the reasoning my parents used was flawed and not based on Scripture. The biggest thing that has helped me is to ask what the standard is. For a lot of IFB folks the standard seems to be their traditions and what they have been taught and what they personally are convicted of. There is no room for genuine disagreement. And often their convictions are not based in Scripture. As you've probably already realized, there is no prohibition in scripture of using drums or other sorts of instruments that IFB churches prohibit. In fact, there is usage of those things in the Psalms. And the same goes for the KJV. They hold it up as the standard and judge all other translations against it but without a solid reason for why it should be the standard.
Anyway, I hope you are in a healthier church situation now. My wife and I now attend a reformed Baptist Church in Providence Rhode Island. We don't align 100% with their doctrine but they are committed to the Scriptures and growing together as believers and that has made a huge difference.
I just want to thank you for posting this. I have only been a believer for about a year. I came to faith on my own accord. Well, what I mean is that I wasn’t pressured into it by friends or family, but I did finally reach a point where I threw up a prayer asking God to reveal Himself and He has…repeatedly. Recently I came across a guy in the comments section of another video here on UA-cam and the guy was vehemently proclaiming he was an atheist. He then went on to explain how he had been raised in a cult and was done believing in God. I resisted the urge to argue and instead asked questions and he went on to explain that he wasn’t calling all Christians a cult, just Independent/Fundamental Baptists. Anyways, he also went on to tell me that he left faith all together, but we connected over the fact that I used to be an addict and he’s currently battling an alcohol addiction. I wanted to try to understand his perspective more so I went in search about why he would believe that Independent Baptists were a cult, and based on your account here, I understand it so much more than I did when he brought it up. He didn’t really want to get into it, so hearing you give your account has been incredibly helpful. I feel like he has thrown his entire faith away, like you mentioned in this video, but he needs help. I realize I have no power over whether or not he finds his way back to Christ, but I feel like the Holy Spirit is guiding me to just be there for him. Your openness will at least help me to empathize with him a little more and I can’t thank you enough. God bless 🙏
They never allowed Non Essentials!
There is a foundation but in the whole of scripture there are different interpretations and it's okay to discuss that.
One of the most important things I was taught was Non essentials. Denominations can worship their own doctrinal positions instead of Jesus!
Jesus sat with sinners and taught them while he loved them.
I prefer Non denominational. Denomination is a division of a whole.
Hey dear brother anytime you are in a cultic environment you cant see the forest for the trees I grew up in it now I can’t stomach it but I still fight it it’s still intertwined in my being
If a person really thinks the KJ V is the only bible you can read why don’t they speak in that language
I noticed you can't question doctrine. Or the pastor or what he's preaching. We used to attend a IB church we don't anymore. Infact we don't go to church. We read our bibles and pray and serve him. I'm tired of church's preaching about money. I'm so happy you didn't lose your faith in him.
It's a hard balance to strike, but I think it helped that I found my faith before I found the IFBC. Hang in there!
I am a Christian, but I told my wife I regret marrying into an IFB family. After several years, most of them have not made me feel welcomed, reached out to me, and place their churches, church camps, church events, church activities above family. The IFB religion and it’s subculture leaves a lot to be desired.
The Living Christ will call His sheep out of the world and into His Kingdom. He has called you to Himself and will lead you home.
I really appreciate your words here. I feel like I’ve been deconstructing my IFB background for 20 years now. You really nailed it when you likened it to racism towards the end, I never really thought of it like that before. It’s not racism per se, and I don’t think the IFB movement is racist, but there’s the same air of superiority and emphasis on “separation” from everything and everyone different that is at the heart of actual racism. I get what you mean and I think you are on to something. I am a Christian, I believe and love the Bible, I believe Jesus is the only way to the Father, I’m committed to my Bible believing church and I share the gospel with others, etc. And there’s a lot about IFB churches that I still admire, particularly the zeal to witness. But I’ve been very slowly peeling away the real distinctives of that movement, especially the KJV onlyism and the deeply entrenched belief that every other kind of church is false, and I feel the same freedom that you describe. I loved this video and intend to listen again. Thank you and I hope you are still strong in your faith in the Lord Jesus, don’t ever give up on HIM.
I’m here with ya brother.
The unspoken understanding... absolutely spot on. Its amazing how much all IFB churches are almost carbon copies of one another. Have you heard pf "Baptist Bride"?? Look it up...
A good youtube listen: Born Again Barbarian's channel, "For God's Sake, Don't Go To Church!" and "RUN FROM THE CHURCH BUILDINGS!!!". They are designed with the recovering Independent Fundamental Baptist in mind!
I'll check that out!
What do IFB's believe about Easy Believism, Free Grace Theology or Once Saved Always Saved ?.
Good ones are OSAS, Free grace, Easy beliviesm affirming.
They're the inventors of easy believism. They were influenced by heretics like Wesley, and Finney. Sad stuff.
Baptist do not believe in miracles. They said the time for it is over. I just had a friend healed from cancer and he said, “Thank you Jesus”. Before, he was a Sikh from India, now he is a Christian. We are told to pray for the sick and cast out demons. It does not mean all sick will be healed and all demons would go but we do not know what God can do when we obey his command. I cannot be a Baptist.
Well they are exactly right. You're right about that but there are good reasons for it. Look up the 4 videos, Third Adam 1,2,3 and 3X
There's also a book called "Calling Evil Good" go check it out to find the understanding of these things .
I like much of what you said up to the end where you said (I do hope I heard you wrong and if so, please clarify) the Bible is not “ the one truth.” I take strong exception to this. The scriptures are the FINAL AUTHORITY in all matters of faith and practice! You were taught wrong about the King James but it is still an accurate and viable translation. I spent 20 years in the IFB myself and how I got out and on to better thinking and better doctrine was by holding firm to the scriptures and claiming the verse “Let God be true but every man a liar!” God’s preserved word is not limited to a single translation of the Bible and the King James Only position actually undermines the Chicago Statement on biblical inerrancy. I left all the silliness behind and am now more Independent, more Fundamental, and more Baptist than ever! Just rightly defined and for all of the right reasons!
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment . . . So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. (Heb 9:27, Rom 14:12) This beguiled young man, along with all you readers (and me, too) will fulfill those two verses. Have a nice day. Maranatha !
Thank you for this video, you pretty nailed it. I see all this and has been bothering me for the longest time. I hope one day to leave the movement and never look back.
Thanks so much for the encouragement. hang in there and I hope you find your path!
There were many eye opening moments for me as I moved away from this denominational cult as it were. My uncle was the Pastor if my first church as a “Youth Director”. He asked me to leave after I asked what “Lording over the Flock” meant. Ooops ha. He was using the Bible to threaten the church into keeping quiet and letting him dictate his ideas. One huge thing for me was also realizing there was no building in the NT called a sanctuary to attend like a temple, no priest regarded as being in charge of your decisions and no altars to pray at. Read about why the veil was torn from top to bottom. 🙂
Then again at the baptist church I’m at the pastor did say that we do have all different believes and he made it seem like that’s okay.
That’s great! Every Baptist church is different, mine was a Fundamental Baptist Church.
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Bible prophecies are continuing to be fulfilled. The human heart and the human brain each have their own memories. Life and love are miracles from God each day. God is love. God is glorious. God hates sin.
You've gotta find the middle ground buddy. Seek God the word of God and he will make straight your path. Do not seek the world ... but the word
he's seeking the world. you bible believers are pathetic. you know the truth but dont stick to it. i came from CALVINIST background. i didn't know OSAS until i was old. the world drove me mad and trust me it will eat any one of you little bible believers if you leave your company. when i came to bible believing truth just 2 years ago, i finally had peace and joy.
the world always lures you with niceties at first. but then it eats you.
Amen brother. You hit the nail in the head. Instead of guidance i got judged and shunned without matt 15, they skipped it but im about to in and demand to be heard. Not for my sake but the sake of the kids being handled by narcotics
I feel your pain. I can relate to what you say on so many levels. We cannot walk alone, we must rely on christ and the finished work on the cross. It is a new covenant, thus why its called the new testament. So the question i ask myself is what is the difference in what we do and what they did in the old testament. Also, are we doing things the same as the world. What is salvation and what does it look like for a new Christian.
I believe music does effect us in a negative way, if its not sound doctrine the Kjv is the best translated, from the Greek and Hebrew languages, how ever there is some Aramaic written portions that are loosely translated.. its a narrow way and fee find it.. i pray you do. Don't get caught up in activities of the church if they are worldly
I left the southern Baptist convention Church to IFB and after researching the history of Dispensationalism i left the ifb and now i am now just a Christian who believes the king James Bible is Gods preserved Word to the English speaking people of God. I am a historicist in theology and i believe Jesus is the Son of God and He died for whosoever will come to Him in faith and repentance and Acts 2:38 be baptized for the remission of Sins and its valid for as many as the Lord calls. Legalism and man made rules and scripture twisting will save no one. God bless everyone. Jesus is still saving lost souls and keeping them preserved in Him. Amen +
One of the problems with Christianity is that most sermons are either solely about the New Testament or are Joel Osteen style sermons that have very little to do with either the New or Old Testament. Most of Joel Osteen type sermons resemble improved Tony Robbins motivational type lectures on how to be successful in life or resemble get rich quick schemes.
Deuteronomy 4:2 basically says not to substitute Joel Osteen type material for the Old Testament as Joel Osteen type sermons support Christianity’s adulterous & idolatrous worship of idols, money & financial success.
The reason the Old Testament or Tanakh is so important is that the Old Testament is more or less a history book of the human race. And if you don’t learn from history, you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes you have made in the past. The main problem with the New Testament is that in terms of a history book, it only goes back to the time of JC. The New Testament just doesn’t cover a very long time period. The Old Testament goes back to creation of the universe and covers a much larger time frame.
The big question is about whether or not Christians should be worried in the least.
The answer is found in Isaiah 27:1 with the Leviathan representing Christianity. G - - always lives up to His promises. Of course, you would only know this fact if you have read the Old Testament. Another thing to consider if you are well read in the Tanakh is that the Levites lived on tithes in exchange for teaching G - -‘s word to the populace. Not long after the prophet Joshua died, the Levi group of priests much like Joel Osteen began teaching the populace more about what they felt the populace wanted to hear with the motivation largely being to get the biggest donations. Once Jews re-instituted idol worship & turned away from worshipping G - -, G - - had approximately 95% of the Jewish population massacred first by the Assyrian army and then by the Babylonian army. Only a small remnant of Jews survived. G - -‘s punishment for the Jews was considerably worse than what happened to Jews in World War II in terms of percentage of the population massacred. And G - - considered Jews His children. So if you think Christians will somehow escape G - -‘s wrath from idolatrous Joel Osteen type preaching, then think again as G - - doesn’t have the same type of relationship with Christians due to Christian worship of JC as their savior. Isaiah 27:1 will eventually prevail, and G - - will very likely not spare even a single Christian artery or vein. In fact Obadiah 18 basically states that there will be no survivors from the house of Esau.
Are there any other unforeseen problems created by Joel Osteen type preaching whereby very little Tanakh based scripture is taught during sermons? Yes. First Christians suffer immensely financially & socially from this type of Tanakh-free preaching. Just look at how many radio talk shows have popped up in major cities across the USA with the theme of “catching cheaters” in regards to adultery. Cheater themed talk shows are incredibly popular and are now major advertising revenue creators for radio talk shows as radio listeners love to hear about other peoples’ misery. Adultery, and divorce caused by adultery is absolutely rampant throughout America. The social costs are in the multiple billions in terms of children who now live with one parent or who now have to move back and forth between parents during the holidays. Poor quality, low Tanakh content Joel Osteen type Christian preaching also invariably leads to rampant antisemitism when divorced broken family angry Christians look at their happily married Jewish neighbors who tend to not only be happy in life but who tend to have multiple happy and well adjusted children. And all this Christian divorce, misery & unhappiness could be so easily avoided if only Christians would realize that the only person cashing in on Tanakh-free sermons is possibly Joel Osteen and his family. Tanakh-free sermons create a situation much like the mega state lottery where there is only one 400 million dollar winner and everyone besides the winner loses the $3 they paid for the tickets. With Tanakh-free sermons, Joel Osteen is the main lottery winner.
Additionally, the Christian version of the Old Testament in the Christian Bible has been so severely altered to support Christianity’s love for idolatry and adultery, that the Christian version of the Old Testament is no longer even remotely usable. Go to Sefaria.org or Chabad.org to get an unaltered free online version. If you don’t believe adultery is a problem in the USA just contemplate the proliferation of morning radio show programs about catching cheaters.
Additionally, what does the Tanakh or history of the human race say about false prophets/ preachers who lead their sheep-like followers astray for massive financial gain? Well, it never, ever ends well. For example, mega-preacher Gwen Shamblin Lara who instead of teaching Tanakh based scripture, tried to get Christians to lose weight through nutrition. Gwen Shamblin Lara perished at a very young age in a plane crash along with her husband and 5 other church leaders. And the list of Christian-type total disasters goes on. The reason Gwen Lara Shamblin perished is that historically one of G - -‘s main weapons of destruction for His enemies is disease / pestilence. Obesity is a disease, and if G - - had allowed Gwen Lara Shamblin to continue living, she would have been in direct conflict with G - - in preventing Isaiah 27:1 from coming to fruition. Read last 3 paragraphs below to learn about G - -‘s other preferred weapons He sometimes uses on His enemies.
I know many people feel “saved” by JC, but there is a big difference between “feeling saved” and actually being “saved.” For example, you might feel totally saved & safe jumping off a plane 30,000 miles up because you “feel” you have the best parachute money can buy. However, if you forget to read and apply Tanakh to your life and cheat on your spouse, you won’t actually be safe if the parachute cord was cut by your spouse after discovering the affair. But, then it is too late once you’re headed downward at 110 miles per hour. You see, you don’t want to end up fulfilling Isaiah 27:1 with your own life.
If you’re interested in current events about the talk about the Gog Magog war starting, read Ezekiel 38:18-23. Isaiah 27:1 basically continues with Ezekiel 38:18-23 if you want to learn what happens when G-‘s anger flares up over army invasion of Israel’s soil. G - -‘s weapons of choice will be pestilence, bloodshed, torrential rain, hailstones & sulfurous fire, so that the world will know that G - - is both Lord and savior.
Judging from past holy wars, bloodshed is typically referring to as some type of psychological warfare on enemy army where enemy soldiers standing next to each other begin fighting each other in confusion.
You see that if you are well read in Tanakh, you see the world through a very different lens, and you immediately see and understand that the current war Russia is unleashing on the world is nothing more than G - -‘s very creative way of using a number of countries to fulfill Isaiah 27:1 as G - - once unleashed the Babylonians & Assyrians on Israel as a very creative form of punishment for the Jews. Ukrainian Jews were less than 1/2 of 1% of the Ukrainian population, and post World War II Jews are incredibly well versed at exiting war torn countries well before situations worsen. The main concept from the scriptures that directly relates to current events is the concept of “bloodguilt“ and the book of Samuel I. Vladimir Putin will very likely end up exactly like King Saul due to excessive bloodguilt - premature death - but not before first being used by G - - to bring Isaiah 27:1 to fruition.
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Like all things in life, balance is key! Im ifb and know it's culty sometimes but it is right on a lotta things. We never want to be legalistic but we also don't want to be lukewarm
I've mostly quit any type of large church. I just go to a small gathering sometimes of people my age, many of who were damaged by the IFB. I just can't worship a God portrayed like the IFB portrays. It's a Christian concentration camp who argues over legalism using an old translation that only speaks literally without context. I'm still a Christian, but I also have looked at the spiritualism of cultures who never had a Jesus to better understand my own God. And, what I find, is that most Christians are blind and afraid of the God they worship. There are so many questions, but I don't believe in a God who condemns his creation to an eternal torture out of love. That would be a monster. For now, I just choose to believe there is a God that is teaching me things through life to be. It's true, I have many questions and doubts, but I know there is a God out there who loves me and I have to have faith that he has my best interest in mind. The IFB is a cult, and it's purely evil where Jack Hyles is god, the fourth part of the trinity. Jesus taught love and acceptance with two main commandments. Love your neighbor and love your God.
one pastor said, the only reason that I am still doing this is Jesus.
Amen ♡
Brother, I'm not IFB but a Gospel believer who would be more comfortable with non-denom Bible churches, especially those associated with the open Brethren. I appreciate the evangelism emphasis of the IFB and the strong stand they generally take on salvation by faith alone and the eternal security of the believer. They do tend to over-emphasise the sinners prayer methodology mind that doesn't sit so easy with me. Nonetheless, many have come to saving faith through the witness of IFB churches and that I praise God for. The main thing that puts me off the IFB is the spiritual elitism that affects many but I certainly wouldn't say all and I am aware of more moderate less sectarian IFB fellowships that are virtually indistinguishable from conservative Bible churches. I hope these are the future of the movement and gain more traction. The elitism really comes out in their insistence on separation standards for living a sanctified Christian life. Much of this goes beyond the Scriptures or is at best majoring on minors. However, non-conformity or not conforming enough can and does result in cold shouldering and being given a rocky ride spilling over into spiritual abuse. I greatly admire your honesty in this video about the struggles you have faced and may it give hope and encouragement to those undergoing the same. Many, many blessings to you and your household Chris.
Chris, my story is very similar to yours. I’m in the deconstructing phase and it’s actually going pretty well.
I’m so frustrated by some of comments here. The mean ones like “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out,” just prove the spiritual racism you referred to. The ones trying to defend the movement just prove the perpetual blindness. It’s like they’re trying to tell you things you’ve already heard and even yourself preached a million times. Did they even listen to the video??
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The spiritual abuse and manipulation is rampant in the comments and speak for themselves. The “and you know it” is my favorite. Such a clear example of gaslighting. No, I know no such thing and is the reason I have moved on and found healing.
Thanks for the supportive comment!
God bless you & thank you so much for your time & encouragement. You are another answered prayer & I thank the Lord for listening to me, directing me to truth & healing. Your testimony is exactly what I needed to hear & your calm, humble spirit delivered it beautifully. I have been praying so much for the Lord to guide me to the right church, you helped confirm that I need to leave the IFB church I've grown up in. I understood everything you said and completely relate. I also really appreciate your candor about your mental health, this helped me confirm my suspicions that both my depression & anxiety have strong roots tied to this church as well. Again I cannot thank you enough, God put this video in my path at such a perfect time.
Thank you for the encouragement, it’s not an easy road to walk and the healing takes a very long time. Hang in there!
I also parted ways with the IFB church on August 1st, 2023 after learning that they were wrong on so many theological issues.
I've searched many churches in my area coming out of a large prosperity preaching church that pushed there sins under the rug. Finding the only one that took the word of serious and lived a life of separation of worldly things was a ifb with a pastor that show love to all that came in the doors regardless of what they where wearing. The closer the walk with God the less of a desire to look like the world
Thank you!
Those of us who are gen x and were raised in these cult like settings have a unique view on this topic. Nobody else will ever empathize properly …for those survivors who are deconstructing, the journey continues. God chose to put us in these families for reasons that are only becoming clear to me now that I’m nearing a half century in age. Being a homeschooler and having constant Bible memorization in the KJV ended up serving me very well as an academic ! It also really helps me in jeopardy. As far as my spiritual healing, it has come from small unpredictable sources over the years. Ironically, after hating anything to do with Christianity throughout my 20s and 30s due to my trauma, I now love the Bible and my faith more than I could have imagined but never will I darken the door of another church!!! That’s just not where the Holy Spirit works in me … and that’s quite all right with me because the longer I’m away from the institution, the more I develop gratefulness to my maker and find the joy in my salvation!
Well put and thank you!
you know why no one empathizes with you? because we grew up in CALVINIST CHURCH. WE DIDN"T FIND THE TRUTH UNTIL WE WERE OLD! you knew the truth from the beginning and got lured away by the devil. shame! shame! shame! you know i never even heard of OSAS until i was old???? do you know what madness you get to when you dont even know OSAS?????
@@Eph2.8-9 Yet - there are plenty of verses that say otherwise, such as Romans 8:29 and John 6:44… if God is ultimately in control, then God decides…
Oh brother!
I just barely attend Bible Baptist church and I witness some of the things you're talking about women wearing dresses and skirts men and suits saying that the king james Bible is the only Bible you can use and I was discouraged to use the NIV which just makes it simpler to understand the word of God And of course I do have an IV and A And the king James but the thing I couldn't understand is that he was jumping around from roost to verse and then he was staying on 2 verses for over an hour then he got into politics and then he got into other other discussions thinking that this is related to the subject which I couldn't fall along at all And they sing these old hymns and everything else I felt so at a place I don't even know if I should continue to go or not I'm not saying that all the teachings are bad but I just don't understand it I never was raised a Baptist and I've been looking for a church
Keep saying the TRUTH. Wishing you peace, love and healing.
I do believe a lot of what IFB does as far as only KJV, to wear dresses, but some is a little to much that favors cultists views. Seems they are against other denominations yet they do the same things such as women wearing no pants, long hair(pentecostals) men in suits(JW) and (SDA), and it's their views or no views.
I do feel like an outcast there. Like they now I doubt the IFB and I do feel ignored. They know I am questioning the IFB. I do like the preaching but until I started watching these videos, I probably have missed a lot of things that was said but I will try listen harder. Not every IFB is the same but I do not like that my family won't go there bc they have a red flag hanging over them. So confused as what to do bc my daughter goes there and I got her to go there. Lots of prayers coming so I can be lead correctly.
It's a tough struggle for sure. My encouragement is to read the Bible, but as it is and not through the filter they put on it. There are a lot of comments that IFB folks are leaving and they are quoting heavily on scripture. That's a good thing, it just doesn't always mean what they think it means. This leads to manipulating the Bible because "you know what it means" and "be not like the world". While those statements are true, what isn't true is that just because I'm not like you I'm "of the world".
I am thankful you got out of that legalistic group. To complete your process of liberation I invite you to consider Ultimate Reconciliation. There are many great UA-cam channel on it. The Total Victory of Christ is a good place to start. Love Unrelenting is another.
As an independent Baptist pastor, it seems like you weren't in a great church. That's the beauty of being independent. When one church goes legalistic and such, it doesn't affect any other church.
Lol I know from experience they are all mostly the same especially here in the south. Do they really think southern gospel is the music played in heaven? Probably far from it. Women shouldn't wear jeans, men and women separate in most church things, judgmental, contemporary Christian music is bad, looked down upon if divorced, scare people to get saved by constantly talking about hell when they should be teaching on God's love which they do but hell hell hell constantly. So many other things. I still go to one mainly because of my wife. It was her church when we got married 6 years ago. I still haven't joined and probably won't. I'm sure I'm talked about behind my back and compared to wife's former deceased husband but I don't care. I work out alot lol so I know they won't say anything to my face. And they look down on other denominations even southern Baptist which gets me because I had deceased relatives who were southern Baptist and really good Christians.
@@chuck8925 Sorry to hear about your situation. There are plenty of bad churches out there. The name on the sign doesn't make a church good. I pray that you find a good church that you can both grow in one day. I grew up in IFB churches like you have described, but they aren't all like that. A good church is a breath of fresh air.
now i know why Jesus takes up the dead in christ first. because these christians are the most pathetic sad of all history. you IFB arent sticking to the TRUTH !! you are letting the world guilt you !!! well the world is no good!!! I came from the world!!! i didn't know OSAS until i was old!!! i was driven mad by the world and it's religions !!! but finally i found bible believing truth and am happy. you guys have the right stuff but you are pathetic if you dont stick to it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@chuck8925 If you want to discuss sameness, have I got a story for you. I grew up Catholic, went to 4 years of Catholic school. Sameness? My friend, we all had to wear EXACTLY the same uniform. The nuns were all dressed alike. Every Catholic church is almost identical, there is militant sameness and rules for everything. I have lately begun exploring becoming a Baptist (long story) and found that the differences beteeen your churches are BEWILDERING, it's like being on another planet. So I don't get the complaint about "sameness"-- if you don't like sameness, try going to a Catholic mass ANYWHERE! Sorry I just don't understand where people are coming from with that complaint.
@@chuck8925 As the Bible says, you have become "unequally yoked" to your wife. Your yoke will never be made correct until this problem of your wife's judgemental church has been resolved between the two of you. When both of you decide to honestly tackle this problem (with a resolution happening) your marriage will be healed.
One of the best videos I've seen all year. Shoutout to a fellow deconstructed/reconstructed Christian!
Yep guilt ridden or wrong. 🤷♀️ the churches aren’t getting anyone closer to God they are hurting them more it bothers me. The world is a broken place let people be broken and to have them come to God themselves unless you can talk to them in a non judgmental/respectful way
I attended my first independent baptist in 2020. My reason they were open during lockdown. I knew immediately something was off. But I had heard enough to question why I felt to leave. I was awakened when the pastor said the holy spirit is not for today. The legalism and mockery of the spiritual gifts caused me to leave 2 months ago. Since then the pastor has tried to get my husband to come back. He shows up at his work and endlessly texts him. He has mocked and gossip ed about me in the pulpit. I'm so grateful God allowed me to realize it was time to leave
I do NOT know of any Independent Fundamental Baptist that teach this os believe it!!!
What was "off"?
Now that's your personal feeling I am one but I have never felt that way we believe but force it on you either ideologically or practically that's your personal feeling and wanting to conform to this world u should be encouraging your self to stick to biblical principles not following trends peace with your faith security is only in Jesus Christ aslord and savior
Lol. It's not just his feelings or thoughts.
Are we all being honest about ourselves we got saved are we walking in the light of his word just take a long look at yourself
Didn't Jesus say don't worry about what you wear or eat
....... He said not to worry about what you wear in relation to having cloths, not the type of cloths.
It was actually Apostle Paul who said not to worry about the Commandments anymore and eat whatever you want.
Jesus on whom be peace was not “insolent” to his blessed mother Mary, as the Quran teaches-and he did not eat the flesh of swine. He prayed in the wilderness to the One God. He fasted. He was kind. He was merciful-not like the “Christians of drunkenness and lechery and stalking-that I met.
Come on now! Independent Baptists are an awesome group of people. Rigid, judgmental, homely, and enjoying culinary delights in the fellowship hall after some night services consisting of pimento cheese sandwiches, cocktail sausages, potato chips, and the like.
Bring on the Pepto Bismal........quick!!
It's a tough journey. My thinking is still skewed.
I was a youth pastor for 10 years. It took years to get deprogrammed. I recommend Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill. It will free you forever and very quickly !
I would also recommend Joe Didpenza
Joe Dispensa
@@toddbyers759 took a look. Thank you very much for your recommendation of Dr. Joe D. He's definitely not for me though.
@@aaronadams8166 I understand it’s very unorthodox. Joe is a believer. Objectivity was stolen from my life as an independent Baptist. In fact everything was purposely taught in black and white as this video above stated. Bless you in your quest, I know it’s the hardest road I ever experienced. My heart is with you! Outwitting the Devil is another game changer for me. It’s a lot to take ask someone to open your mind after coming out of total legalism and conjured rules. Jesus dealt directly with this in the Bible. It’s very comforting to know He agrees with you😊
I've went to Baptist churches all my life, more because of a severe lack of options, but for me there is no spiritualalty in any of them... It's all about being seen and social standing as well as gossiping and spreading rumors. Here in the south if you don't go to a good ole country Baptist church you ain't right with the Lord and your going to hell SMH, it's like yeah I'm sure people who barley have a grasp on modern English are interpreting the Bible correctly. I don't trust any man who dresses like a used car salesman and screams at the top of his lungs and tries to scare people into belief (not saying you shouldn't have a deep fear of God because we all certainly should) but when you focus on it too much you miss out on his love and mercy which in my opinion is the true path to becoming closer to the Lord. The holy spirit came into my life more out of love for God than simply the fear of him. I only go to church because god tells us to go fellowship but I feel closer to God when I come home and research the Bible and talk to others online who understand where my faith is at and where I'm coming from... My faith isn't a one or two hour a week thing it's God god God 24/7 for me and I don't see anything like that when I go to church unfortunately...
I love your comment and that is so where I am right now. I have God in my heart, soul and mind 24/7 not just an hour or 2 each week. Thank you. AMEN
that's not the HOLY GHOST. the HOLY GHOST loves BIBLE PREACHING. the HOLY GHOST loves RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT AND ANGER. you got the devil's ghost. the worldy spirit that doesn't like the bible being preached and wants everyone to hold hands. Proverbs 11:21
“Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.”
Brother Brimstone! Take care you do not get scorched with all that mean preachin'!
Dresses and skirts aren't a MUST... but it's encouraged but it's for modesty purposes. I am turning to this was. The church should NOT be worldly and the world should not be churchy.
You're wrong about much of this and why.
Except the people who made up those rules are in hell or prison for molestation and adultery (Jack Hyles, Jack Schaap, David Hyles, etc. etc.). It’s a grift made to lure conservatives.
John 14:15 KJV - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Proverbs 11:30 KJV - The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.
1 John 4:21 KJV - And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Agreed, as an outsider-those who cannot follow their own commandments-as Jesus’s original teachings-on whom be peace-cannot be faithful to their own school communities, nor their own families, nor their own souls--my studies in other aspects of Christian tradition-Unitarian or Catholicism -is that such groups actually follow Jesus’ teachings, and are kind to people, (instead of misusing their power to hurt, stalk, or defame people who behaved correctly).
May Allah bless the true practitioners of the teachings of Jesus, on whom be peace-on people who do not join gangs or Klanswomen’s Klans or hate groups that try and kill off brown people or Muslim women.
For justice comes with mercy, and mercy is part of human love -which psychopaths from Klans misusing their religion do not understand.
@Kausam Salam Allah is in a Devil's Hell this very moment according to the WORD'S OF THE GOD OF THE BIBLE!
Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the laugh no man cometh unto the Father but by ME, Jn14:6
@@riverrat9954 *life
Thank you for this video. I’m currently leaving my church for stuff like .. a girl has to wear dress and is a slut for wearing leggings meanwhile the pastor is cheating on his wife but they ignore it.
Don’t worry
We live to the audience of only 1 in life to Him we must give account
A beautiful. though hopeless, call for humility and tolerance.
Thank you - well said. I look at the stars and appreciate just how little we know and are. I am still amused at the fanaticism shown to the King James Version of the bible and am left wondering how non-English speaking people can be saved because of their inability to read the KJV - or is that an excuse for racism?
Please keep posting stuff we need you
The “view form your foxhole” is just that, your view, not the total picture.
Independent Fundamental Baptists are not a sect or cohesive group, and no two churches are joined in any way other than fellowship with each other.
There are no ties that bind like other churches that belong to the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) or other groups that are similarly associated to some type of. National or International body.
Independent in IFB means Independent from other Churches as the Bible clearly teaches.
Regional or (that) Church specific observances are just that, specific to that Church and others may also adopt the same but they are not Doctrine.
The one thing that IFB churches do share is Doctrine, meaning if the Bible does not say it than it should not be included in the faith.
As far as your statements, it is clear that you yearn to be part of the “World” and are seeking any reason to justify your choices. You know exactly what I mean, and you also know that other people in this comment section will have their head explode agreeing with what you have said as they also are looking for a reason to leave the perceived restrictiveness of the faith and fully embrace the world.
The Apostle Paul spoke of the “Baby” Christian who was only able to drink milk because they were not developed enough to eat meat yet (1 Cor 3:2). In this analogy Paul is basically saying people who are new to the faith are only able to digest what is soft on their system and that through time (like how a baby develops and gradually starts eating solids) the more developed Christian would be able to understand.
Just like you talk about your issues with racism you very easily grouped all IFB into the same category like it is a Denomination which it clearly is not. All people are humans created in GODS image, there is only one race of people.
What you have missed is that point in your church is not that they deny bigotry amongst man, it is that racism is an impossibility since there is only one race.
You are young and I cannot be hypocritical of your journey in faith because I had gone through the same things in my youth.
I hope you continue to work through your questions and seek the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT and not that of man.
You have to be careful about IFB churches. Some are borderline cults especially if the pastor is from the Jack Hyles camp.
These churches sound great. Im looking for one now. Sounds like what America lacks and needs now. Thank you.
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Study to Show thy selves approved.
I believe you left fudemental baptist cause YOU ARE SMART.
I believe you left fundemental baptist because you are spiritually weak.
I had the same sad, judgmental, experience with IFB. Jesus plus all their rules. NO...Jesus plus nothing!
Jesus said IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS!!!
It's easy to tell that you have a personal grudge. When you say it's jesus plus their rules, that shows you to be a Liar. Because and let me make this very clear to you, legalism is adding anything to the plan Of salvation. When they say there are Standards of dress, this doesn't mean if you don't dress the way the bible clearly dictates. They are not saying you are not saved. It is faith and belief beyond the lip service in what christ accomplished on that cross and in his resurrection. Plus nothing! So don't lie when you are so clearly wrong. If you love your own sin more than you love the word of GOD, Then that is between you and GOD. That is not a problem of the church. If you are saved and you do attend regularly to your own personal prayer life, family altar And church attendance period then it will be very clear to you what is correct in the bible this guy is clearly upset about the music because he wants to keep the old rhythm of the disgusting music of this world and put it in the church to make God more palatable, He apparently thinks the bible is wrong when it says that men should not wear that which pertains To a woman And women should not wear that which pertains Unto a man. Once again not necessary for salvation what definitely what the bible says period that's why we have people running around calling themselves men wearing dresses, if that doesn't seem wrong to you then don't complain about anything else in this world.
@@riverrat9954 I think you missed the point that Sandy was making. 🙏
I know it been a long time and you may or may still feel the same way and it sounds like you landed in a super strict IBF church but it of note to mention not all of them are the same. Yes I believe the KJV is the correct Bible for English speaking people and all you have to do is compare missing or changed versus from other versions and that all I needed as proof. Sure you can use other versions but why not use the best? NO! It doesn't mean your lost if you go to a different church and personally I find it hard to believe that any IBF church would teach that other the the Ruckman folks. Contemporary Christian music has its problems, Ray Botz, Tony Vincent, Amy Grant are perfect examples just look how they live thier lives and bang it is clear. I listen to Contemporary music as entertainment but not for worship, I'm not a fan of hymns either but it's not that big of issue for me. The pants the is supposed to be a modesty issue and I really don't agree with that concept and I don't mind arguing my point on the subject and my fellow Christians that disagree with me have never made me feel lesser in anyway but have defended thier position for sure and I'm OK with that. I have always resisted the cookie cutter mold that all people want to force on others because God made me a individual with my own mind and thoughts so im going to be myself regardless of what others think. I hope you landed in a good Church with solid teaching and that is a risk when you move out of the IBF and into a less fundamental Church is often they move away from the basic teachings of sound Bible study. Smiling Joe, Benny Hinn, TD Jakes, Kenneth Copeland are just a few that are examples of people that get sound doctrine completely wrong but if you got saved then bad doctrine is not going to get you lost by any means but I may have consequences in this life and the next as with all incorrect beliefs as would changing your alternator on your car when you actually have a radiator problem. God didn't die on a Cross so that we could beat ourselves into the ground with a rule book but rather free us from the penalty of the law forever! You do you man!
i was told i never be saved cause i live with my bf and im not sinfree
If we could earn it, He wouldn't have needed to die for it. The point is quite literally that we cannot earn it.
@@chriswhite9676 they just say well if u really saved u stop sinning
@@ilovemyboyfriend5425 Even Paul struggled with sin after being saved. That is not biblical and instead is using religion to control their congregation.
@@chriswhite9676 well just because i live with my boyfriend means im sinning so i cant be saved
@@ilovemyboyfriend5425 You “can’t be saved” but only until you repent (do a 180-degree turn from that, or whatever path you are on) and turn to Jesus. No, we CANNOT DO anything to get salvation because Jesus already paid the penalty for our sin. Until you realize and accept that, neither you, nor I, nor anyone else in this world can be saved.
You can never agree with everything in all denomination but one principle is Jesus alone is the savior if ur not with us ur not with us we even don't have to listen to you unless ur willing to hear the truth of Jesus
I really think you were running loose in a IFB and really never got saved and so you have a opposing spirit which is the spirit of the devil
Just don't go away from historical christian thought and whatvtge church has learned and practiced for 2000 years. Still hold to the fundamentals of the faith. We are not that different, unless yoj start believing anything you think is ok. We have to have rooted ourselves in Scripture Alone, in christ, faith and grace alone. Lay hold of eternal life.. 1tim6:12-14
I have problems with denominations (demoninations). Because Scriptures have no denomination. Secondly. I was raised without God. And toured big stages as a rock guitarist for years. I've had a worldly upbringing. Now I am 50 with a wife and three kids. And i have learned FROM Scriptures that every person is an angel, exiled in a body, with a demon. The world is ruled by Satan. Sending out the unsaved to seduce us to fall and fail. I once listened to contemporary Christian music. No more. It has ALL the hallmarks of worldliness that stimulates the flesh. It nurtures the demon side of us. I have lived around the Amish for years. And have learned some things. They understand what society does. Its quicksand. 2022 is far worse than 20 years ago. As tech advances, it becomes easier to be swept away by society. Satan owns this world. The people are gorgeous today. Many are wolves inside, ready to tempt you to pieces. Its EVERYWHERE. satan wants it to ne easy for us to party. To lavish. He wants our consciousness deep in this world. Because its all enmity to GOD. And you know what the Bible says about that. I agree with any church that tries to protect the heart. While i dont agree with controlling others or laying guilt. I do believe in not updating 1000s of years old TRUTH to mix better with 2022. This is a very dark period. Getting more sinful every day. And brainwashing masses into believing Bad is Good. Better stick with time tested wisdom. Your life here means ZERO compared to Salvation. Because if you die while you're not saved, it'll take a miracle to be.
Here is the Gospel (or, Good News): God says that we are sinners and that no amount of good works or behavioral changes on our part could ever make us holy enough to enter into Heaven. God sent His only begotten Son to be crucified on the cross to pay for our sins. Jesus paid a debt that He did not owe, because we owed a debt of sin that we could not pay. 2nd Corinthians 5:21, “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” Jesus paid for our sins by dying on the cross for us all. His dead body was buried in a grave. On the third day, Jesus raised up bodily from the dead.
The instant you believe this, God knows it and He saves you. John 6:47, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” The free gift (Romans 5:15) is based solely upon your trust in what Jesus did for you, and has absolutely nothing to do with what you do for Him. Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” It is that simple my friend to be saved.
Wierd & boring! This is my last church been to so many over the years. After all the contemporary junk, the name it & claim it, carnivall Christianity, make me feel good churches I landed in a mountain Independant Baptist church. Preach the bible only, no wierd junk, no special mystery messages formulated by putting 19 various scriptures together out of context. Everything you talked about aint going on here, Ive heard others whine about the same things. Mostly from those that want worldly comprimise. KJV only, you betcha! Only the unwise will pick up a translation or version not knowing anything about it & claim its good. Best help yourself & do a study on the various translations & their intentions, it's a long ride but you need it.
Independent condemn everything but what they allow
You have been in an outstanding kind of Church brother Baptist who only taught and preaches what ks in the bible unlike other churches that use bible and more like other books, please dont be General Yes it is some Baptist became modern now they got drums their music theyre doctrine shifting but not all mate Not all Baptist Church are like where youve been, here in CA many Baptist Churches were like what your saying and we moved out and look for another old time church and found one. It doesn't mean i saw a mess in this place i will see it on the other side right.
The good thing about independent baptists is every church is independent and don’t all agree with how you describe your experience. I’m IFB and like Christian rock. I believe KJB only , am against modern church practices. But I have grace and fellowship with true brothers and sisters in Christ.
Christian rock is an oxymoron because rock and roll music was created by Satan.
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Great decision ! You can't disagree with a Fundamentalist. He will start making accusations against you. I have come to the conclusion that the movement is a cult. I could literally talk for hours about what is wrong with Fundamentalism but I am signing out.
You can give some people a million dollars and an apple pie and they wouldn’t be happy! Grinding the old axe here isn’t he, going public to discredit a church and a family, maybe there’s a reason they don’t bend over backwards for him! Just saying! 👍🏻
Brother, what you just said seem like you have just missed a good church IFB. Don't allow the apostesy of this age deceive you. I love the KJV and I love IFB.
This is also what i noticed
i love the kjv and the old hyms the contemporary church is the fallng away but i dont follow scofield and the pretrib rapture
So what im hearing, is you based your entire faith on a casting crowns song and a moment where you doubted God and the entire Bible. You didnt search the scriptures? You didnt pray and cry out to God to show you the truth and the right way? I dont know what church you grew up in but to decide your whole eternity on emtions and feelings is exactly what the devil wants you to do. Search the scriptures to see what God says and ask God to show you the right way, and God will show you, unless you just want to live in sin and your reasons are just excuses to do that. But the Bible says that he that trusteth in his own heart is a fool. I have a reason to believe thats why your still battling depression and anxiety. Your heart is not settled in the truth of Gods Word. There is no peace my God saith unto the the wicked. Theres still hope if you really want to know the truth but not if you just want your truth
Isnt a statement against wokism, crt and lack of free speech more in order?Not to mention what they're doing to kids in schools and elsewhere?
I’m in a Bible believing church and I’m finding it to be annoying. I’m more stressed out and the pastors are weird. 🤷♀️🤔 They focus too much on how the world is evil and how Satan is the enemy. No you guys I truly believe that people are just broken and that’s why we can do bad things. We can either do good things or bad we have a choice which way to go.
It’s tough to sift through what is legitimate Bible teach and what is traditions and interpretations of men. Hang in there I hope you find what you are looking for!
Your comment don’t make no sense are you for the Bible or not ,do you read your Bible
The Gospel is by definition prejudicial. What you're talking about is theosophy. The lady that came up with that philosophy was an occultist
I am born again. I am Baptist, fundamental, and independent. However I do not like what I often see in the Hyles/I.F.B. so I have quit going to church, not because of sin, but because I cannot find a Biblical church!
As to the King James Version, the reason it is what we should read in English is because the modern translations are either good translations or bad translations or "dynamic equivalents" of the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. Those sources were long ago rejected by Christians because of the alterations made. The Textus Receptus is the good Bible text source, and the King James Version is a good translation of a good source.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” Romans 3:19-20
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10
@@peterchudleigh6708 this sounds like my experience as well. My former church had some incorrect doctrine, and they accused those with correct biblical doctrine of "damnable heresy." When we left, the visitation Pastor and his assistant came and talked to us, but they just argued, not willing to see truth. We had primarily left over sin in the church. Adultery, incest, vulgarity, carnality. They also thought of themselves as *THE* cutting edge of Christianity, and the best church in the world.
@@peterchudleigh6708 I was also saved outside of the I.F.B. I believed it was a description, not a title, but my Dad, who oftens sees the truth before us, began to believe it was a denomination itself. I disagreed, but he turned out to be true. My church we left about 13 years ago. I felt God convincing me through scripture to get out of that dump, and that it would be greatly judged. After we left, scandal broke out about messing with kids and covering it up and it fell apart, the head Pastor stepping down...and moving to another church. 🙄
@@peterchudleigh6708 they also were Arminian in their misunderstanding of grace and salvation, so I was called a hyper-Calvinist, and argued with a lot. I would use scripture to prove what I believed and they used raised voices and logical(attempted) argument. To this day, 13 years after having a church, I am still reading my Bible every day, usually 2 to 4 chapters, and having a time of prayer afterward, and then quick praying throughout the day as needed, and carrying tracts usually and witnessing online, but they accused me of not sharing to gospel because I was a "Calvinist." They do not understand grace and they did not know anything much about John Calvin. I am not Reformed or a hyper-Calvinist.
@@peterchudleigh6708 I have seen the very same thing at my old church. Pastor worship. It was sickening. I would not consider myself a Calvinist anymore than someone who believes in salvation by grace, through faith would call themselves a Lutheran. Neither man invented what they taught, but discovered it. I do agree with about 4 or 5 of the T.U.L.I.P. points, depending on the definition. Salvation is God's choice. Man has a free will and uses this for sin, so God can overrule that will via election and salvation. There was nothing elite or holy or divine or good in me to trust Christ as the Saviour. It was wholly God's choice.
I had the same problem with them denying the Universal church. Yes, each church ought to be autonomous, but every believer is of the body of Christ, even if they never attended a church. Some cannot.
It's unfortunate you don't believe in the preserved Word of God. When you compare modern Bibles to the King James (God's Preserved Word, and the only flawless English Bible) you find that the difference is not only in the modernity of the language but modern Bibles change doctrine. They all do this. You can't convince me that altering God's Word to say and mean something different isn't of Satan.
Don’t give into your past just keep digging legalism is just wrong period some people who might know me out there aren’t gonna like what I’m saying but I can’t go back to be that way I was so so called heavenly minded is was no earthly good
There’s only one Finished Product of the English Bible to the English language God’s Mouthpiece to the rest of the world 🌎 1611 Authorized King James Bible! I’m sorry for your loss and your Bad experience. People and Churches are not perfect We all still have a old sinful nature. William Tyndall died for this translation of the 1611 all other versions come from Wescott and Hort!!
Here’s one that grab you the church isn’t the system it’s the body