As an Independent Baptist for many years and fairly familiar with the SBC, this video is right on the mark. I enjoy how the information is given without malice just laying out facts. Wonderfully done.
How do you think this guy knows so much about the cults parading as Christians? He even knows about real Christians. I think he is a front for some group.
@@ivanlee1087 He is IFB, but he has studied the other groups to understand them. Perhaps IFB's tendency to separate makes it susceptible to an attitude which he thought was unfair, and he thought finding out more information was in the interest of truth. I think he tries to be impartial to present the positions fairly, but his own beliefs are with the IFBs.
I'm got Baptist this year and my church is an Independent Baptist Church. I never felt more at home reading the word of GOD and hearing sermons that have changed my life and convicted me in ways that i cannot explain. I feel exited for the first time in my life wanting to share the Gosgel everyone. Great video!
@@petermermilliod1545 "Saying wine is a sub category of grape juice is like saying houses are a subcategory of building materials" Nah, more accurately (to make it congruent with my analogy) houses are a sub-category of buildings, not building materials. What makes these things sub-categories of the other is the distinction in form; Grape juice when fermented becomes wine, buildings when built for a family to live in are houses. I could also say your average pickles are a sub-category of a cucumber, and pencils are a sub-category of writing utensils.
What i was getting at is categories are more complex than their components. Wine is more complicated than grape juice (it consists of more parts and requires more time and effort), houses are more complicated than their components. I was trying to get at the idea that sub-catagory probably is the correct relationship between wine and grape juice.
@@petermermilliod1545 "What i was getting at is categories are more complex than their components. Wine is more complicated than grape juice (it consists of more parts and requires more time and effort), houses are more complicated than their components." Sure, that "more complicated"-ness is what I would argue is what makes something a sub-category of something else. For example, I might have a shape, but what kind of shape? There are different shapes that have different forms of "more complicated"-ness based from the founding concept. A house is a specific type of building, not a specific set of building materials. "I was trying to get at the idea that sub-catagory probably is the correct relationship between wine and grape juice." Alright
This is an excellent and accurate summary of our differences. I was in IFB Churches and Schools for about six years and have now been in SBC Churches and ministry for thirty-eight years. Having worked among both groups, I deeply appreciate your accurate and very helpful comments.
I see a lot of independent Baptists saying this description is right on the money. I grew up in independent Baptist churches but have been SBC for the past 20 years - pastoring an SBC church for the past 7. The information in this video is clear, concise, informative and spot on. I could not have said it better myself. It may have been wordier, but not better.
You really are great!!!! I have learn so much from your videos. What I love about your presentations is that they are totally unbiased. They are not given in a way to make one group look bad and another group great. Thank you very much!
This is very accurate, I grew up in Independent Baptist Churches and Christian Schools and can say this is very accurate. I am thankful for my firm grounding in God's Word. I have since realized that much of the dogmatism is very harmful to the body of Christ as a whole. I still share many of the criticisms of the SBC, specifically the fear of liberalization and staunch opposition to Calvinism, but as I have grown older, I have come to understand you do not need to separate from everyone who dots their 'i's and crosses their 't's slightly differently than you. I grew up in more mild Independent Baptist Church's and love many of the wonderful people I know there, but I have heard of some pastor (never the pastors of the churches I attended) telling members out right that if you go to a Southern Baptist Church, do not even try to get them to send you a letter because they will not send a letter to a SBC church. So sad... I think we all could use a good dose of humility to say, "You know what, I am wrong sometimes, but have good intentions, other people probably are too."
We’ll done! I love the unbiased way in which you present these positions and, from my years of experience and study, I also find your detailed synopses to be very accurate. Please keep up the good work. BTW , I am an independent Baptist.
I was raised in the southern Baptist Church. I went to college for a music degree hoping that I would be able to be a minister of music. I don't know what I was thinking. Once I did graduate with my music degree, I was told that, as a woman, I could not be a minister of music, but it would be okay if I led the children's choir. That did not go over well with me and I subsequently eventually went back to school to be a doctor and that's what I'm doing now. 14:12
Grew up SBC. My dad took his church out of the convention. I went to an SBC seminary and have stayed in the convention over 20 years now. Your material is wonderfully researched, and informative. Well done, sir
Can you please do a video on the differences between Independent Baptist churches and Landmark Missionary Baptist churches (American Baptist Association)?
Usually someone zeros in on a particular distinction and uses it to create a division that shouldn't exist. The two main essentials that exist are that Jesus is the Son of God and that He gave His life to make the only way possible to be reconciled to God. We are part of one body. Alas, you are spot on the ways we differ from each other.
Excellent video. Not being either an Independent Baptist or a Southern Baptist, I listened to (roughly) the first half of the video and wondered why they don't just combine, due to often having very similar practices and beliefs. The second half of the video highlighted the differences more, though, and some of them are pretty big. I now understand why they haven't combined and why they're not the same.
I might add that some independent Baptist churches border on being a cult. Look up domestic and sexual abuse connected with IBC congregations and pastors. This authoritarian attitude and rigid conformity is dangerous.
It really comes down to the independent churches being mostly of Scots-Irish descent, who are culturally very suspicious of bureaucracy, while the SBC, at least historically, was mostly of English descent and more culturally agreeable to bureaucracy.
Life-long independent Baptist, and I approve your message! If we (Independent Baptists) had a slogan it’d be “Leave us alone, we’re singing hymns, reading the Bible, and going home!”
As member of a small IFB church I will say no we don’t believe in the universal church, however we do believe people in other churches and denominations may be a Christian depending on if they believe the gospel as taught in 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4. We are not super strict in church attire, but do insist on modesty and reverence to God. Our church has multiple races and ethnicities and we welcome anyone to come. The joke is as long as you can listen to the sermon you can stay. Problem is people don’t like it when the sermon pricks their heart; but that is exactly what the sermon is meant to do. I love listening to Ready to Harvest and all the efforts he puts into his research.
I have been a member of 2 independent fundamental baptist churches and can say that this is for the most part spot on. We can range from pastors having complete and total authority to voting congregations. Since vivid we have seen our church gain a multitude of visitors. Mainly because we still had services while others were shut down by the denomination. I guess that makes us independent fundimental stubborn Baptists.
I hope you give yourself credit for the high-quality content you create. Whether speaking of Baptist church bodies, Anglicans in Catholicism, or Jehovah’s Witnesses vs. Christians, you do your homework well and lay out the information clearly and objectively. Thanks for all the knowledge you’ve disseminated to folk like me.
This video speaks to a problem with polity in some Southern Baptist churches. A pastor friend of mine was ousted yesterday in a very close vote (a margin of less than five people). He claimed that there were many people voting who did not attend regularly or give, and it would have been enough to sway the vote. Do independent Baptist churches allow this?
The duplicity of the SBC is demonstrated most eloquently with the "non-leadership" leadership assertion that the SBC is "not" hierarchical while the "cooperative program" clearly demonstrates to the contrary. And, where vast amounts of money coalesce so too does corruption, and this has been clearly demonstrated during the 2021 SBC convention. Maranatha!
I was in different IFB churches for about 25 years. Then a Missionary Baptist, associated with the Southern Baptist. You have captured the characteristics very well. And not in an emotional manner. Good job.
Excited to see some of your research on Seventh day adventists in the near future! I have a friend whom is a part of that movement, I am in disagreement with that movement myself.
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I grew up holiness movement and missionary Baptist church. The independent fundamental Baptist churches and missionary Baptist Churches believe that once saved always saved and and free will Baptist believe you can lose your salvation
As someone who has faithfully attended a Baptist Church and has joined can honestly say that having the church being autonomous is the best thing. We can concentrate on hearing and preaching God's word and loving Jesus. No governmental body above us.
It's very interesting that lately many Southern Baptist churches in Texas have dropped the word "Baptist" from their formal names - in both urban and rural areas. 🤔
Its bizarre but such a reality, good of you to notice...most seem to be becoming non-denomination or at least vague, you'd never know if they were even Baptist or not anymore. I wonder why - unless they are trying to distance themselves specifically from being Baptist or associated with it? Seems to be the case For me, I've become very disillusioned and frustrated with how vague and watered down the SBC and similar denominations are and in how they are teaching and approaching Scripture so I am looking for a more liturgical and traditional expression yet I still dearly hope the best for the SBC
They're doing what Baptists do best, which is diffusing their worldview. Ask your evangelical and nondenom friends what they believe about a specific point of doctrine, and you'll get ten different answers; but talk for long enough to a sufficient number and you'll perceive that, almost to a man, they have the same preferences, attachments, scruples, expectations, assumptions -- all inherited (and diluted along the way) from Baptist-ism. Only us Catholics are better at forming our laypeople's religious instincts and worldview, and at creating the wider culture's understanding of what "real Christianity" is, than Baptists are.
The description would include those that call themselves Independent Fundamental Baptist, Unaffiliated Baptist, and those who are Independent Baptist and reject the Fundamentalist 'movement'. There are very few Independent Baptists in the USA that would not fall into one of those categories.
I attend an Independent Baptist Church. The pastor is anti-Calvinist and I assume most of the congregation is. I am a Calvinist, but I don't discuss it with the pastor and I don't want to get into any arguments with fellow church-goers over it, so I keep quiet about my beliefs on that.
Does it affect your worship? I left an IFB because I went kind of “cage-stage”, but looking back I wonder if I made the right decision. We were close with the people there.
Well done presentation. In the area I live, IFB churches tend to adhere to a more strict dress code and hair code for men and women. ie, very short hair for men, long hair for women, dresses only for women (no pants). The SBC teaches clothing modesty but leaves more wiggle room - there are no hard rules on what exactly one should wear or the length of hair. Of course, your experience may vary depending on where you live or the church you attend.
Pretty accurate. Just have started watching you so do not know if you have a video on it or not. This video came from the view point of IFB churches who left the SBC. Because you were comparing IFB and SBC this was appropriate. I would like to know your understanding of the group of the IFB who never came out of the SBC. I would also be interesting how you would label those in some of the larger fellowships such as GARBC and BBM and others.
Great explanation, I am an SBC Pastor. I am a reformed, cessationist, Pretrib. Dr. Molher and I agree on most theological interpretations. I also have concerns with some of the things I hear coming out of the convention. There has been talking of Dr. Molher becoming the next President of the SBC.
The vote on CRT at the 2019 convention (resolution 9) was the final straw for me. The independent sounds closer to where I am, except the KJ only part.
SBC: Hierarchy is hierarchy by any name. Call it what you want, but if a large body is defining what it is orthodox they are going beyond congregational agreement on doctrine regardless of the degree to which they do it. It may not be an episcopal structure but it certainly has those overtones. I don't think it is entirely a bad thing; it limits the degree to which an individual pastor can go awry even if it lacks the technical authority to censure or remove him. SBC has powerful influence over its members.
Our Director of Missions has said that often Southern Baptists are more independent than IFB!-- Joshua did mention that SBC does believe in the local church atutomony, however, local associations, as well as a State Convention can remove a local church from fellowship if the the local or State believes that the local church has went "too far out of bounds" Not saying it happens often, but it can.
Spent 18 years/ grew up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church - KJV only, women only wore dresses or skirts, no contemporary Christian music, men in charge of everything in the church (men’s only church meetings), etc …. I think you summarized this nicely.
My late grandfather was a Doctor of Theology, whose initial higher education was at one of the oldest colleges West of Mississippi and an ordained Methodist Minister. He found favor with the Lord as well as the United Methodist Church. He was allowed to be a Minister at an upscale church in California, however, he declined and chose to be a Minster at a poor church.
Since Joshua teaches at an independent Baptist institution, I am curious how many of his students are being newly exposed to differences between independent Baptists and other Baptists, between independent Baptists themselves (I live in a small Southern town with multiple independent Baptist churches, so I know there can be differences from congregation to congregation, and very often are), and between independent Baptist churches and other Christian denominations, creeds, groupings, or ecclesial communities?
I originally made this series of Independent Baptist vs. Series to use in the Christian Denominations class. Actually, if I wouldn't have taught that class then this channel probably would not exist! Students come from around the US with a somewhat diverse experience in Baptist churches too. Classes on Baptist distictives clarify even more the spectrum of beliefs.
Well, it's a class. Some students are very interested to learn something new, and others just want to get through it. On the whole, everyone learns a lot of new stuff. Most students are already familiar with key points of Catholicism, generic Evangelicalism, and Baptist theology, and those who have backgrounds in other areas of course know that too. Most know very little about Eastern Orthodox other than what they learned in High School religion class, probably haven't even heard of Oriental Orthodox, and some students come in unable to identify any core beliefs of various major Protestant groups. It all varies based on the background. We've had students that grew up in many denominations.
@@ReadyToHarvest Curious which college you teach at? I graduated GSBC '06. Funny you should mention Eastern Orthodox: I had never heard of it, either, and at that time GSBC didn't have a course that went in depth on the differences between denominations. We did have a "World Religions" class (or something like that), which used "Kingdom of the Cults" as its textbook. But I don't recall Orthodoxy having come up at all. (Spoiler: I've been Orthodox for 11 years now. :) ) Not to pump up your ego too much, but these videos are most excellent, and I think your students are/will be well served by them. Straightforward and balanced, best I can tell. Good job!
I think the summary statement that "Most Southern Baptists agree with Independent Baptists but the Independent Baptists view fellowship with them as a form of compromise." Is absolutely accurate. I live in the Rural South and there are plenty of SBC Churches that agree doctrinally with my IFB Church but we don't fellowship with them because we are very much separatist by nature.
I live in Canada. There is a perception in Canada that Independent Baptists in the USA are so fiercely nationalistic that they have a romanticized uncritical view of American history. It is one thing for Americans to believe that the USA is the greatest country in the world but certainly men such as Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson were not godly men.
@@johncantrell9993 Independent fundamentalist Baptists believe in separation. They do not fellowship with liberals and unsaved people in liberal churches. Yet they praise men such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Paine. I have even read some fundamentalist Baptists praise Washington as a great Christian man when he was probably a deist.
The agreement is generally on main points of doctrine (Biblical authority, the Trinity, the Person of Jesus). The differing is on cooperation with other churches via denominational structures.
I just graduated from an IFB Bible college, and I volunteer leading in music ministry in an SBC church. We are shockingly similar in doctrine to IFB churches in doctrine. My church, however isn’t KJV only like the college/seminary is.
this i been prayn bout; yet, what if they pledge the flag in the sanctuary? this was sbc... (i would love your God given wisdom. i still need a house of God to worship publicly.) thank you. ps: thank y'all for your publication...
One correction: Some churches signed agreements with various state Baptist associations under the SBC that if the church would disband or change denomination then the property would go into the hands of the SBC. This is not mandatory. I do not know how many churches in the SBC agreed to this . The only reason I know this is because a church in my local association went through this. My church does not have this clause in its governing papers. One other thing, Landmark Baptist a strong on local church only and closed communion.
This was common during the 1970's when charismatic groups were infiltrating and taking over SBC churches (such as Shady Grove Baptist in Grand Prairie TX, which became charismatic and is now part of Gateway Church).
Isnt the big difference that Southern Baptists and Independent Baptist have a different interpretation of what the saving gospel is. Specifically the role of repentance.
There are people with both views on repentance from both Independent Baptists and Southern Baptists. Most Independent Baptists and Southern Baptists would view those in the other group as not teaching damnable heresy., e.g. that those who follow their teachings can be saved.
I spent $59,000 at a SBC seminary to gaun a graduate degree but as a female, cannot be hired for anything but a children's ministry position. I'm now reinvesting in an M. Div with another denomination to pursue that call.
Just a quick comment. In some parts of the country, the SBC is very much Landmarkist in their views. Kentucky, Tennesee, and Arkansas being states where it is still a fairly strong force.
I would argue that while there may be local church polity in the SBC, hiring decisions may run through the staff (pastors), with little real input from the lay people.
I don't think there are many non-Calvinist IFB churches that have become Calvinist. It does happen, normally when a younger pastor becomes Calvinist himself and then steers the church in that direction.
Many of them were former SBC churches which hired a pastor who hid his Calvinist leanings. The usual pattern is secretly introduce Calvinism, those who opposed it usually left on their own, excommunicate anyone else who didn't leave but didn't agree. Jordan Hall of Protestia (formerly Pulpit and Pen) is a leader in the ex-SBC Reformed Baptist movement.
Hello Robert. Every Baptist is of some type or another. So there's independent Baptists, Southern Baptists, Free Will Baptists, General Baptists, Reformed Baptists, etc. So when you refer to this 'generic' Baptist with no modifier, they don't really exist. Churches often have just the word "Baptist" in their name, but they actually fit into one of these categories.
What kind of harvest are you looking for when you repeatedly use BCE and CE to annotate calendar years, instead of the correct BC and AD nomenclature used for millennia?
There is no such a thing as a "correct" calendar. Many different calendars have been developed over the millennia to help people organize their lives. According to a recent estimate, there are about forty calendars used in the world today, particularly for determining religious dates. Musli8ms would say their calendar is the "correct" one, etc.
@@BeachsideHank AD/BC and BCE/CE are the same calendar. The BCE/CE is just politically corrected to rob the Christian contribution of creating the calendar we use.
I am part of an independent baptist church and do believe it is typically the closest to scripture based worship I've seen. My father is a Nazarene minister so I do believe others can still be saved and worship regardless of denomination however they tend to be to progressive imo. Most other churches. (Sbc included) tend to worry more about not offending the people as opposed to obeying God at least in my experience. This is why it's so vital everyone read God's word daily AND take context into account so they won't be deceived....like Catholics.
@@BeachsideHank inerrant doesn't mean context is irrelevant. Many people love to quote Bible verses without taking into account the entirety of the passage. And example would be claiming God says not to judge. That was my point. God's word is inerrant but we are instructed to actually read it and not simply pick excerpts that fit our agenda and/or allow us to justify sin.
Southern Baptist in the Philippines originates from US. also with other Baptist Churches with is not SBC. Maybe that what you are referring in the US as Independent Baptist. Coz here in the Philippines there are General Baptist, Fundamental Baptist, Missionary Baptist,Bible Baptist, Conservative Baptist there so on..and the missionaries are from US.
They call themselves a "Non-Denominational New Testament church" - Here's the channel of the church he pastored. Hegewisch Baptist: ua-cam.com/users/HegewischBaptist
The individual church autonomy in the SBC ended last year when the convention expelled Saddleback Church from the convention due to them ordaining females into the ministry.
I wouldn't say that, the SBC has expelled churches for years and years. Churches are still autonomous. They can do whatever they like - even ordain women - but the SBC can also expel the congregations. In other denominations where congregations are not autonomous, the denomination can defrock the pastor and take the property if the church does not comply, but in the SBC, they can't do that.
I go to an Independent Free Baptist Church. our Pastor uses the NKJV and is not opposed to the congregation using what ever version they are comfortable with. My wife and I came from the Calvary Chapel as did others I came to know in our Church. They are very welcoming to any and all and very family and children oriented.
I was raised in the SBC in the South when it was much more down to earth and biblical in theology. In the early 80's I moved over to the KJVO IFB camp. Having worshipped on both sides, I can see error and truth across the board concerning the spectrum of the Baptist faith. Fundamentalism started out right on target (1920's), but slowly drifted into (sometimes) extreme and often radical ideology. The rank and file IFB congregants are decent and reasonable/tolerant people, but the spread between the open-minded and the Steven Anderson cultists is vast. I have known several KJV Onlyists that were incredibly hateful and domineering, who prefer to see everyone else as hopelessly lost. It would be nice to find something in the middle of the Baptist range and that is accepting of the Reformed believers (like myself). The universal church is broad, and you don't have to be just like me to be a child of God.
You said that IBC church don’t always fellowship with other IBC churches. I wonder if that is more common in the South. Where I am in the North, we don’t seem to quite like that
Although IBC's aren't part of denominations, they tend to have their own groupings. Hyles IBC, Bob Jones IBC, Pensacola Christian IBC, things like that. The closest I've seen elsewhere would be the various Churches of Christ groups. You have the traditional ones, then the "non-institutional" ones (those who don't support any work outside of a local church), then the "one-cup" group, and more recently the "we're OK with instrumental music" crowd. None are affiliated with a denomination, but each looks down on the others.
My grandfather was a former sbc pastor when he was they held closed communion and the sbc ownd the church so when the church and he left the sbc said they owned the church and the had to leave
There may have been a deed restriction added to the property along the way. During the 1970's charismatic groups were taking over SBC churches; in response SBC churches added deed restrictions stating that if the congregation ceased being SBC then the local SBC association (or sometimes a state convention) would get the property. Also if they borrowed money from an SBC entity, that was often part of the mortgage (only when the mortgage was paid off would the restriction be removed).
That would be a good topic for Joshua, both the FWB movement in general and NAFWB which is the largest of the Free Will Baptist groups. My cousin in East Tennessee is FWB and many of the churches in her are of that denomination.
@@reedermh I spoke to a pastor of NAFWB he mentioned they are an association and not a denomination. Each church is individual and only pay for the association that helps with education, etc. They have no financial links. Still would like to see others opinion. I am not arminian or weslayan, but I do believe in conditional OSAS.
Our Southern Baptist church does not give to the Cooperative Program. We instead give specifically to the IMB’s Lottie Moon fund. It qualifies us to send ten messengers to the national convention. You DO NOT have to give to CP to get representation, just giving to any SBC entity qualifies you.
For many years I attended Southern Baptist Churches. However, the SBC has slowly drifted toward accepting liberal views that are not scriptural, as has been pointed out in this video. For that reason, I definitely believe the stances of Independent Baptist Churches are much more in line with the bible! I do believe it is okay for women to wear pants.
This was the closest I could find to a " What is the..." for independent Baptist.....maybe that sould be done before comparing any denomination to another?
There are a lot of Baptist groups. Primitive Baptists came out of the Calvinist tradition. Free Will Baptists are as the name suggest are Weslyan like Methodists without bishops. And Southern Baptists straddle the fence between predestination and free will.
Hi, just a small note; most independent Baptist Churches don't hold to landmarkism. There is a belief in landmarkism called Baptist Briders, meaning they believe only Baptists are saved, which is not biblical.
@@ReadyToHarvest really? It's what I had heard or seen though. Many have dropped support to missionaries because of a stance of taking a baptist bridism.
@@dievyan Most Baptist Briders essentially divide saved people into two categories: Part of the bride (i.e. part of scriptural Baptist church) or not part of the bride (guests at the marriage supper). So you can be saved, in their view, but not in the bride.
@@ReadyToHarvest -- That sounds similar to the Watchtower teaching about the saved being either the 144,000 who go to Heaven, and the remaining members of the JW religion who get to live on the New Earth.
In your Methodist vs. Baptist video, you said Baptists do not believe in the universal church, only in local churches. I find that confusing. It seems unscriptural to me.
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As an Independent Baptist for many years and fairly familiar with the SBC, this video is right on the mark. I enjoy how the information is given without malice just laying out facts. Wonderfully done.
I was raised IFB. Can confirm.
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How do you think this guy knows so much about the cults parading as Christians? He even knows about real Christians. I think he is a front for some group.
@@ivanlee1087 He is IFB, but he has studied the other groups to understand them. Perhaps IFB's tendency to separate makes it susceptible to an attitude which he thought was unfair, and he thought finding out more information was in the interest of truth. I think he tries to be impartial to present the positions fairly, but his own beliefs are with the IFBs.
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I'm got Baptist this year and my church is an Independent Baptist Church. I never felt more at home reading the word of GOD and hearing sermons that have changed my life and convicted me in ways that i cannot explain. I feel exited for the first time in my life wanting to share the Gosgel everyone. Great video!
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Wine is a subcategory of grape-juice lol
Saying wine is a sub category of grape juice is like saying houses are a subcategory of building materials
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"Saying wine is a sub category of grape juice is like saying houses are a subcategory of building materials"
Nah, more accurately (to make it congruent with my analogy) houses are a sub-category of buildings, not building materials. What makes these things sub-categories of the other is the distinction in form; Grape juice when fermented becomes wine, buildings when built for a family to live in are houses. I could also say your average pickles are a sub-category of a cucumber, and pencils are a sub-category of writing utensils.
What i was getting at is categories are more complex than their components. Wine is more complicated than grape juice (it consists of more parts and requires more time and effort), houses are more complicated than their components.
I was trying to get at the idea that sub-catagory probably is the correct relationship between wine and grape juice.
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"What i was getting at is categories are more complex than their components. Wine is more complicated than grape juice (it consists of more parts and requires more time and effort), houses are more complicated than their components."
Sure, that "more complicated"-ness is what I would argue is what makes something a sub-category of something else. For example, I might have a shape, but what kind of shape? There are different shapes that have different forms of "more complicated"-ness based from the founding concept. A house is a specific type of building, not a specific set of building materials.
"I was trying to get at the idea that sub-catagory probably is the correct relationship between wine and grape juice."
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This is an excellent and accurate summary of our differences. I was in IFB Churches and Schools for about six years and have now been in SBC Churches and ministry for thirty-eight years. Having worked among both groups, I deeply appreciate your accurate and very helpful comments.
The video everyone was waiting for.
I see a lot of independent Baptists saying this description is right on the money. I grew up in independent Baptist churches but have been SBC for the past 20 years - pastoring an SBC church for the past 7. The information in this video is clear, concise, informative and spot on. I could not have said it better myself. It may have been wordier, but not better.
You really are great!!!! I have learn so much from your videos. What I love about your presentations is that they are totally unbiased. They are not given in a way to make one group look bad and another group great. Thank you very much!
This is very accurate, I grew up in Independent Baptist Churches and Christian Schools and can say this is very accurate. I am thankful for my firm grounding in God's Word. I have since realized that much of the dogmatism is very harmful to the body of Christ as a whole. I still share many of the criticisms of the SBC, specifically the fear of liberalization and staunch opposition to Calvinism, but as I have grown older, I have come to understand you do not need to separate from everyone who dots their 'i's and crosses their 't's slightly differently than you. I grew up in more mild Independent Baptist Church's and love many of the wonderful people I know there, but I have heard of some pastor (never the pastors of the churches I attended) telling members out right that if you go to a Southern Baptist Church, do not even try to get them to send you a letter because they will not send a letter to a SBC church. So sad... I think we all could use a good dose of humility to say, "You know what, I am wrong sometimes, but have good intentions, other people probably are too."
Are you a mason?
We’ll done! I love the unbiased way in which you present these positions and, from my years of experience and study, I also find your detailed synopses to be very accurate. Please keep up the good work. BTW , I am an independent Baptist.
Thanks for your video. I am going back to my Independent Baptist Church next week.
New subscriber here. Wow you go over a lot of material. Thank you for the research and videos. Much appreciated. Praying for you.
I was raised in the southern Baptist Church. I went to college for a music degree hoping that I would be able to be a minister of music. I don't know what I was thinking. Once I did graduate with my music degree, I was told that, as a woman, I could not be a minister of music, but it would be okay if I led the children's choir. That did not go over well with me and I subsequently eventually went back to school to be a doctor and that's what I'm doing now. 14:12
Grew up SBC. My dad took his church out of the convention. I went to an SBC seminary and have stayed in the convention over 20 years now. Your material is wonderfully researched, and informative. Well done, sir
Can you please do a video on the differences between Independent Baptist churches and Landmark Missionary Baptist churches (American Baptist Association)?
Usually someone zeros in on a particular distinction and uses it to create a division that shouldn't exist. The two main essentials that exist are that Jesus is the Son of God and that He gave His life to make the only way possible to be reconciled to God. We are part of one body. Alas, you are spot on the ways we differ from each other.
Excellent video. Not being either an Independent Baptist or a Southern Baptist, I listened to (roughly) the first half of the video and wondered why they don't just combine, due to often having very similar practices and beliefs. The second half of the video highlighted the differences more, though, and some of them are pretty big. I now understand why they haven't combined and why they're not the same.
There are some deep divisions between SBC and independent Baptist churches not addressed here. I have belonged to both.
I might add that some independent Baptist churches border on being a cult. Look up domestic and sexual abuse connected with IBC congregations and pastors. This authoritarian attitude and rigid conformity is dangerous.
It really comes down to the independent churches being mostly of Scots-Irish descent, who are culturally very suspicious of bureaucracy, while the SBC, at least historically, was mostly of English descent and more culturally agreeable to bureaucracy.
Independent baptist church came out of the SBC. I know several men who have pastored both IFB and SBC churches.
Life-long independent Baptist, and I approve your message!
If we (Independent Baptists) had a slogan it’d be “Leave us alone, we’re singing hymns, reading the Bible, and going home!”
More like we go for concert. pay. then go home..lol
@@philipnankabao9290 we don’t have concerts or pass the plate.
@@therealgingerbeardman Are you saying your church doesn’t take up tithes?
You forgot the semi-regular potlucks and covered dishes.
With clean shaven, kjv bibles, with women wearing no pants
As a lifelong Southern Baptist, I can testify that this was highly accurate. Great work brother.
As member of a small IFB church I will say no we don’t believe in the universal church, however we do believe people in other churches and denominations may be a Christian depending on if they believe the gospel as taught in 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4. We are not super strict in church attire, but do insist on modesty and reverence to God. Our church has multiple races and ethnicities and we welcome anyone to come. The joke is as long as you can listen to the sermon you can stay. Problem is people don’t like it when the sermon pricks their heart; but that is exactly what the sermon is meant to do. I love listening to Ready to Harvest and all the efforts he puts into his research.
I have been a member of 2 independent fundamental baptist churches and can say that this is for the most part spot on. We can range from pastors having complete and total authority to voting congregations. Since vivid we have seen our church gain a multitude of visitors. Mainly because we still had services while others were shut down by the denomination. I guess that makes us independent fundimental stubborn Baptists.
* covid.
I hope you give yourself credit for the high-quality content you create. Whether speaking of Baptist church bodies, Anglicans in Catholicism, or Jehovah’s Witnesses vs. Christians, you do your homework well and lay out the information clearly and objectively.
Thanks for all the knowledge you’ve disseminated to folk like me.
This video speaks to a problem with polity in some Southern Baptist churches.
A pastor friend of mine was ousted yesterday in a very close vote (a margin of less than five people). He claimed that there were many people voting who did not attend regularly or give, and it would have been enough to sway the vote.
Do independent Baptist churches allow this?
YES! Part of the problem is that churches (both SBC and IFB) do not purge their membership roles.
Some do, some don't. The church I am apart of right now most likely would not allow that.
He did a very good job at explaining the differences between the two. As a SBC Church member, He gave a good description as a to the SBC polity.
Have not seen anyone do a break down on these two types of Baptist. Thanks.
Very accurate video! I am a southern Baptist and agree with what is presented in this video!❤️🙏✝️
The duplicity of the SBC is demonstrated most eloquently with the "non-leadership" leadership assertion that the SBC is "not" hierarchical while the "cooperative program" clearly demonstrates to the contrary. And, where vast amounts of money coalesce so too does corruption, and this has been clearly demonstrated during the 2021 SBC convention. Maranatha!
The southern Baptist are not Baptist.
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Who is, then?
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Still waiting.
I was in different IFB churches for about 25 years. Then a Missionary Baptist, associated with the Southern Baptist. You have captured the characteristics very well. And not in an emotional manner. Good job.
I love these videos. So well done and helpful. Thank you!
Thankyou for the explanation between IFB and SBC that I needed to know for a long time.
Iam glad being a IFB and will stay there
Excited to see some of your research on Seventh day adventists in the near future! I have a friend whom is a part of that movement, I am in disagreement with that movement myself.
There are Doctrinal issues with the SDA
@@Brucev7 Absolutely.
@@Brucev7 any that you can mention?
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@@ericespinoza373 *Truth About Seventh-Day Adventist "Truth?": A False Gospel of Imperfect Law Keeping to Earn Heaven*
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I grew up holiness movement and missionary Baptist church. The independent fundamental Baptist churches and missionary Baptist Churches believe that once saved always saved and and free will Baptist believe you can lose your salvation
As someone who has faithfully attended a Baptist Church and has joined can honestly say that having the church being autonomous is the best thing. We can concentrate on hearing and preaching God's word and loving Jesus. No governmental body above us.
It's very interesting that lately many Southern Baptist churches in Texas have dropped the word "Baptist" from their formal names - in both urban and rural areas. 🤔
Its bizarre but such a reality, good of you to notice...most seem to be becoming non-denomination or at least vague, you'd never know if they were even Baptist or not anymore. I wonder why - unless they are trying to distance themselves specifically from being Baptist or associated with it? Seems to be the case
For me, I've become very disillusioned and frustrated with how vague and watered down the SBC and similar denominations are and in how they are teaching and approaching Scripture so I am looking for a more liturgical and traditional expression yet I still dearly hope the best for the SBC
They should have never used them in the first place.
They're doing what Baptists do best, which is diffusing their worldview. Ask your evangelical and nondenom friends what they believe about a specific point of doctrine, and you'll get ten different answers; but talk for long enough to a sufficient number and you'll perceive that, almost to a man, they have the same preferences, attachments, scruples, expectations, assumptions -- all inherited (and diluted along the way) from Baptist-ism. Only us Catholics are better at forming our laypeople's religious instincts and worldview, and at creating the wider culture's understanding of what "real Christianity" is, than Baptists are.
Thank you for explaining these differences so well! I’m not a Baptist, but I so appreciate your unbiased descriptions of these churches!
Glad you like the videos, Thanks for watching!
Would love a video about the non-denominational Church's
You do a pretty good break down on the issues.
There are many variations of Independent Baptists, would I be correct in assuming that you were describing Independent Fundamental Baptists?
The description would include those that call themselves Independent Fundamental Baptist, Unaffiliated Baptist, and those who are Independent Baptist and reject the Fundamentalist 'movement'.
There are very few Independent Baptists in the USA that would not fall into one of those categories.
What's about Conservative Baptist (CBAmerica) ?
Is there a video on missionary baptists or free will baptists?
I attend an Independent Baptist Church. The pastor is anti-Calvinist and I assume most of the congregation is. I am a Calvinist, but I don't discuss it with the pastor and I don't want to get into any arguments with fellow church-goers over it, so I keep quiet about my beliefs on that.
Does it affect your worship? I left an IFB because I went kind of “cage-stage”, but looking back I wonder if I made the right decision. We were close with the people there.
Me too
Very informative breakdown of the differences. I grew up in a Southern Baptist Church.
Well done presentation. In the area I live, IFB churches tend to adhere to a more strict dress code and hair code for men and women. ie, very short hair for men, long hair for women, dresses only for women (no pants). The SBC teaches clothing modesty but leaves more wiggle room - there are no hard rules on what exactly one should wear or the length of hair. Of course, your experience may vary depending on where you live or the church you attend.
Pretty accurate. Just have started watching you so do not know if you have a video on it or not. This video came from the view point of IFB churches who left the SBC. Because you were comparing IFB and SBC this was appropriate.
I would like to know your understanding of the group of the IFB who never came out of the SBC. I would also be interesting how you would label those in some of the larger fellowships such as GARBC and BBM and others.
Could you cover what the Liberty Church Network is if you haven't already?
Great explanation, I am an SBC Pastor. I am a reformed, cessationist, Pretrib. Dr. Molher and I agree on most theological interpretations. I also have concerns with some of the things I hear coming out of the convention. There has been talking of Dr. Molher becoming the next President of the SBC.
The vote on CRT at the 2019 convention (resolution 9) was the final straw for me. The independent sounds closer to where I am, except the KJ only part.
@@johndunn678 -- There is a serious effort being made in the SBC to repeal Resolution 9 at the next Convention.
@@chriscravens8318 Bad
@@gregb6469 They just met in Nashville. There are problems. Wokeness.
@@Brucev7 -- The serious attempt was made, but the SBC Deep State blew it off and elected a borderline apostate as president.
SBC: Hierarchy is hierarchy by any name. Call it what you want, but if a large body is defining what it is orthodox they are going beyond congregational agreement on doctrine regardless of the degree to which they do it. It may not be an episcopal structure but it certainly has those overtones. I don't think it is entirely a bad thing; it limits the degree to which an individual pastor can go awry even if it lacks the technical authority to censure or remove him. SBC has powerful influence over its members.
and that is why SBC are independent churches! There is NO hierarchy above the local church!
Our Director of Missions has said that often Southern Baptists are more independent than IFB!-- Joshua did mention that SBC does believe in the local church atutomony, however, local associations, as well as a State Convention can remove a local church from fellowship if the the local or State believes that the local church has went "too far out of bounds" Not saying it happens often, but it can.
Spent 18 years/ grew up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church - KJV only, women only wore dresses or skirts, no contemporary Christian music, men in charge of everything in the church (men’s only church meetings), etc …. I think you summarized this nicely.
The way it was meant to be. hail the patriarchy baby.
My late grandfather was a Doctor of Theology, whose initial higher education was at one of the oldest colleges West of Mississippi and an ordained Methodist Minister.
He found favor with the Lord as well as the United Methodist Church. He was allowed to be a Minister at an upscale church in California, however, he declined and chose to be a Minster at a poor church.
Since Joshua teaches at an independent Baptist institution, I am curious how many of his students are being newly exposed to differences between independent Baptists and other Baptists, between independent Baptists themselves (I live in a small Southern town with multiple independent Baptist churches, so I know there can be differences from congregation to congregation, and very often are), and between independent Baptist churches and other Christian denominations, creeds, groupings, or ecclesial communities?
I originally made this series of Independent Baptist vs. Series to use in the Christian Denominations class. Actually, if I wouldn't have taught that class then this channel probably would not exist!
Students come from around the US with a somewhat diverse experience in Baptist churches too. Classes on Baptist distictives clarify even more the spectrum of beliefs.
@@ReadyToHarvest the Lord works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform...
What has been the student reaction to these videos?
Well, it's a class. Some students are very interested to learn something new, and others just want to get through it. On the whole, everyone learns a lot of new stuff. Most students are already familiar with key points of Catholicism, generic Evangelicalism, and Baptist theology, and those who have backgrounds in other areas of course know that too. Most know very little about Eastern Orthodox other than what they learned in High School religion class, probably haven't even heard of Oriental Orthodox, and some students come in unable to identify any core beliefs of various major Protestant groups. It all varies based on the background. We've had students that grew up in many denominations.
@@ReadyToHarvest I'd love to be a fly on the wall in your class!
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Curious which college you teach at? I graduated GSBC '06. Funny you should mention Eastern Orthodox: I had never heard of it, either, and at that time GSBC didn't have a course that went in depth on the differences between denominations. We did have a "World Religions" class (or something like that), which used "Kingdom of the Cults" as its textbook. But I don't recall Orthodoxy having come up at all.
(Spoiler: I've been Orthodox for 11 years now. :) )
Not to pump up your ego too much, but these videos are most excellent, and I think your students are/will be well served by them. Straightforward and balanced, best I can tell. Good job!
I think the summary statement that "Most Southern Baptists agree with Independent Baptists but the Independent Baptists view fellowship with them as a form of compromise." Is absolutely accurate.
I live in the Rural South and there are plenty of SBC Churches that agree doctrinally with my IFB Church but we don't fellowship with them because we are very much separatist by nature.
I live in Canada. There is a perception in Canada that Independent Baptists in the USA are so fiercely nationalistic that they have a romanticized uncritical view of American history. It is one thing for Americans to believe that the USA is the greatest country in the world but certainly men such as Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson were not godly men.
@@roberteaston6413 not sure how what you said relates to my comment.
@@johncantrell9993 Independent fundamentalist Baptists believe in separation. They do not fellowship with liberals and unsaved people in liberal churches. Yet they praise men such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Paine. I have even read some fundamentalist Baptists praise Washington as a great Christian man when he was probably a deist.
The agreement is generally on main points of doctrine (Biblical authority, the Trinity, the Person of Jesus). The differing is on cooperation with other churches via denominational structures.
@@roberteaston6413 No they don't. Sbc does.
This is exactly the video I wanted and I didn’t even know it yet. Thanks Ready To Harvest (:
Makes me thankful to be IFB even more! 🙏🏼
Jason - I am an independent Fundamental Southern Baptist!
I just graduated from an IFB Bible college, and I volunteer leading in music ministry in an SBC church. We are shockingly similar in doctrine to IFB churches in doctrine. My church, however isn’t KJV only like the college/seminary is.
So the SB have gone from 16 million to 14 million and only part of those attend.
this i been prayn bout;
yet, what if they pledge
the flag in the sanctuary?
this was sbc...
(i would love your God given wisdom. i still need a house of God
to worship publicly.)
thank you.
ps: thank y'all for your
publication...
One correction: Some churches signed agreements with various state Baptist associations under the SBC that if the church would disband or change denomination then the property would go into the hands of the SBC. This is not mandatory. I do not know how many churches in the SBC agreed to this . The only reason I know this is because a church in my local association went through this. My church does not have this clause in its governing papers. One other thing, Landmark Baptist a strong on local church only and closed communion.
This was common during the 1970's when charismatic groups were infiltrating and taking over SBC churches (such as Shady Grove Baptist in Grand Prairie TX, which became charismatic and is now part of Gateway Church).
The Crosspointe of Anaheim, in Orange county CALIFORNIA, also has S.B.C roors
Saddleback Church here in Orange county CALIFORNIA, has S. Baptist background
Can you include subtitles in Russian for the video?
Thanks for the video that is what I was looking for
Isnt the big difference that Southern Baptists and Independent Baptist have a different interpretation of what the saving gospel is. Specifically the role of repentance.
There are people with both views on repentance from both Independent Baptists and Southern Baptists.
Most Independent Baptists and Southern Baptists would view those in the other group as not teaching damnable heresy., e.g. that those who follow their teachings can be saved.
What difference is there between a fellowship group or a convention?
I spent $59,000 at a SBC seminary to gaun a graduate degree but as a female, cannot be hired for anything but a children's ministry position. I'm now reinvesting in an M. Div with another denomination to pursue that call.
10:21 so the baptist version of apostolic succession 🤣
Just a quick comment. In some parts of the country, the SBC is very much Landmarkist in their views. Kentucky, Tennesee, and Arkansas being states where it is still a fairly strong force.
I would argue that while there may be local church polity in the SBC, hiring decisions may run through the staff (pastors), with little real input from the lay people.
Well done young man
There's a number of IFB churches became Reformed Baptist ? What is Reformed Baptist that attracted so many Independent Baptist ?
I don't think there are many non-Calvinist IFB churches that have become Calvinist. It does happen, normally when a younger pastor becomes Calvinist himself and then steers the church in that direction.
Many of them were former SBC churches which hired a pastor who hid his Calvinist leanings. The usual pattern is secretly introduce Calvinism, those who opposed it usually left on their own, excommunicate anyone else who didn't leave but didn't agree. Jordan Hall of Protestia (formerly Pulpit and Pen) is a leader in the ex-SBC Reformed Baptist movement.
What's about Sovereign Grace Landmark Independent Baptist ?
Is there a difference in belief between Baptist and Southern Baptist?
Hello Robert. Every Baptist is of some type or another. So there's independent Baptists, Southern Baptists, Free Will Baptists, General Baptists, Reformed Baptists, etc. So when you refer to this 'generic' Baptist with no modifier, they don't really exist. Churches often have just the word "Baptist" in their name, but they actually fit into one of these categories.
What kind of harvest are you looking for when you repeatedly use BCE and CE to annotate calendar years, instead of the correct BC and AD nomenclature used for millennia?
There is no such a thing as a "correct" calendar. Many different calendars have been developed over the millennia to help people organize their lives. According to a recent estimate, there are about forty calendars used in the world today, particularly for determining religious dates. Musli8ms would say their calendar is the "correct" one, etc.
@@BeachsideHank There's nothing common about "common era".
I like to refer to it as Christ's Era. LOL!
@@BeachsideHank AD/BC and BCE/CE are the same calendar. The BCE/CE is just politically corrected to rob the Christian contribution of creating the calendar we use.
You do a good job in your research sir thank you.
You've explained fully why I am no longer a Baptist. Excellent job on being fair and informative about this topic.
What did you become
And why is that? There’s differences among all other denominations? So what difference does it make?
What about Primitive Baptists and Freewill Baptists?
I want to watch this video but for some reason you’ve disabled closed captions in English.
What is the difference? Their recipes for fried chicken?
I am part of an independent baptist church and do believe it is typically the closest to scripture based worship I've seen. My father is a Nazarene minister so I do believe others can still be saved and worship regardless of denomination however they tend to be to progressive imo. Most other churches. (Sbc included) tend to worry more about not offending the people as opposed to obeying God at least in my experience. This is why it's so vital everyone read God's word daily AND take context into account so they won't be deceived....like Catholics.
"...take context into account..."
If the words are truly inerrant, then context is irrelevant as *every word would tell.*
@@BeachsideHank inerrant doesn't mean context is irrelevant. Many people love to quote Bible verses without taking into account the entirety of the passage. And example would be claiming God says not to judge. That was my point. God's word is inerrant but we are instructed to actually read it and not simply pick excerpts that fit our agenda and/or allow us to justify sin.
Southern Baptist in the Philippines originates from US. also with other Baptist Churches with is not SBC. Maybe that what you are referring in the US as Independent Baptist. Coz here in the Philippines there are General Baptist, Fundamental Baptist, Missionary Baptist,Bible Baptist, Conservative Baptist there so on..and the missionaries are from US.
You’re right about that. Ready to Harvest have not completely presented the other Baptists in the US.
Ready To Harvest do you know what kind of church win worleys was?
They call themselves a "Non-Denominational New Testament church" - Here's the channel of the church he pastored. Hegewisch Baptist: ua-cam.com/users/HegewischBaptist
@@ReadyToHarvest Thank you so much for replying.
Is the Independent Baptist Church & Independent Fundamental Baptist Church one and the same?
The individual church autonomy in the SBC ended last year when the convention expelled Saddleback Church from the convention due to them ordaining females into the ministry.
I wouldn't say that, the SBC has expelled churches for years and years. Churches are still autonomous. They can do whatever they like - even ordain women - but the SBC can also expel the congregations. In other denominations where congregations are not autonomous, the denomination can defrock the pastor and take the property if the church does not comply, but in the SBC, they can't do that.
I go to an Independent Free Baptist Church. our Pastor uses the NKJV and is not opposed to the congregation using what ever version they are comfortable with.
My wife and I came from the Calvary Chapel as did others I came to know in our Church. They are very welcoming to any and all and very family and children oriented.
I was raised in the SBC in the South when it was much more down to earth and biblical in theology. In the early 80's I moved over to the KJVO IFB camp. Having worshipped on both sides, I can see error and truth across the board concerning the spectrum of the Baptist faith. Fundamentalism started out right on target (1920's), but slowly drifted into (sometimes) extreme and often radical ideology. The rank and file IFB congregants are decent and reasonable/tolerant people, but the spread between the open-minded and the Steven Anderson cultists is vast. I have known several KJV Onlyists that were incredibly hateful and domineering, who prefer to see everyone else as hopelessly lost. It would be nice to find something in the middle of the Baptist range and that is accepting of the Reformed believers (like myself). The universal church is broad, and you don't have to be just like me to be a child of God.
You said that IBC church don’t always fellowship with other IBC churches. I wonder if that is more common in the South. Where I am in the North, we don’t seem to quite like that
Obviously not every Baptist “shuns” non-Baptists. I have many friends who are not Baptists, but are non-denominational
Although IBC's aren't part of denominations, they tend to have their own groupings. Hyles IBC, Bob Jones IBC, Pensacola Christian IBC, things like that. The closest I've seen elsewhere would be the various Churches of Christ groups. You have the traditional ones, then the "non-institutional" ones (those who don't support any work outside of a local church), then the "one-cup" group, and more recently the "we're OK with instrumental music" crowd. None are affiliated with a denomination, but each looks down on the others.
Excellent. Thank You.
Great job on this!
My grandfather was a former sbc pastor when he was they held closed communion and the sbc ownd the church so when the church and he left the sbc said they owned the church and the had to leave
There may have been a deed restriction added to the property along the way. During the 1970's charismatic groups were taking over SBC churches; in response SBC churches added deed restrictions stating that if the congregation ceased being SBC then the local SBC association (or sometimes a state convention) would get the property. Also if they borrowed money from an SBC entity, that was often part of the mortgage (only when the mortgage was paid off would the restriction be removed).
@@reedermh possibility but then again that was back in the mid to early 60's when all this happened to him so eh he hold so grudges. So what is is
Missionary Baptist consider themselves to be independent also but we do have associations if other like minded churches.
What about the Free Will Baptist NAFWB ?
That would be a good topic for Joshua, both the FWB movement in general and NAFWB which is the largest of the Free Will Baptist groups. My cousin in East Tennessee is FWB and many of the churches in her are of that denomination.
@@reedermh I spoke to a pastor of NAFWB he mentioned they are an association and not a denomination. Each church is individual and only pay for the association that helps with education, etc. They have no financial links. Still would like to see others opinion. I am not arminian or weslayan, but I do believe in conditional OSAS.
@@amalbarathi4070 Video on NAFWB coming before the end of the year.
I grew up in both COGIC and missionary Baptist church but I hold more too independent Pentecostal Holiness trinitarian church
Loving these videos.
Our Southern Baptist church does not give to the Cooperative Program. We instead give specifically to the IMB’s Lottie Moon fund. It qualifies us to send ten messengers to the national convention. You DO NOT have to give to CP to get representation, just giving to any SBC entity qualifies you.
Thanks, good clarification.
For many years I attended Southern Baptist Churches. However, the SBC has slowly drifted toward accepting liberal views that are not scriptural, as has been pointed out in this video. For that reason, I definitely believe the stances of Independent Baptist Churches are much more in line with the bible! I do believe it is okay for women to wear pants.
@@andyontheinternet5777 Reread what I said.
@@Joe-lk6ocMy bad 😀
@@andyontheinternet5777 No problem brother.
Excellent!
8:38.... The Separation Baptist Churches
This was the closest I could find to a " What is the..." for independent Baptist.....maybe that sould be done before comparing any denomination to another?
There are a lot of Baptist groups. Primitive Baptists came out of the Calvinist tradition. Free Will Baptists are as the name suggest are Weslyan like Methodists without bishops. And Southern Baptists straddle the fence between predestination and free will.
Primitive Baptist also do closed communion and rebaptize
Hi, just a small note; most independent Baptist Churches don't hold to landmarkism. There is a belief in landmarkism called Baptist Briders, meaning they believe only Baptists are saved, which is not biblical.
Actually, most Baptist Briders do not believe only Baptists are saved.
@@ReadyToHarvest really? It's what I had heard or seen though. Many have dropped support to missionaries because of a stance of taking a baptist bridism.
@@dievyan Most Baptist Briders essentially divide saved people into two categories: Part of the bride (i.e. part of scriptural Baptist church) or not part of the bride (guests at the marriage supper). So you can be saved, in their view, but not in the bride.
@@ReadyToHarvest that's interesting, thank you for that explanation
@@ReadyToHarvest -- That sounds similar to the Watchtower teaching about the saved being either the 144,000 who go to Heaven, and the remaining members of the JW religion who get to live on the New Earth.
In your Methodist vs. Baptist video, you said Baptists do not believe in the universal church, only in local churches. I find that confusing. It seems unscriptural to me.
great video!
I’m sure the membership in the SBC has diminished greatly since their recent conventions and exposed their ‘wokeness’.