Is a Cheap Center Punch Just as Good? Let’s Settle This!
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2023
- Automatic & Manual Center Punch Brands: Snap On, Starrett, Stahlwille, Proto, Hazet, GearWrench, Williams, Klein Tools, Wilde Tool, Mayhew Tools, Sabrecut, General Tools, Neiko, Spring Tools, Lisle, Mulwark. Punches compared for performance on Aluminum and Mild, Medium, and Hard Steel. Results are very interesting with a huge variance in performance and durability.
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Todd doesn’t do what most other UA-cam channels do, like live streams, q&a, shorts etc…and has almost 3 MILLION subscribers. He’s literally had an episode on paint, and rust. And we watch it, 😆. Shows just how awesome this channel is. Keep up the great work dude!
My go-to attitude towards "Shorts!" Is *NO*. Just no. Unless it's Project Farm intentionally short-circuiting batteries to test for fire danger and electrical safety! 💥 🔥 😉😄
There is actually one sort of qna video.. I mean it doesn't test anything, it is just "About me"
Agreed. I literally unsubscribed from every chanel bombarding my notifications with their POS shorts
He understood the assignment and everything project delivers
I'm waiting for him to do a video on grass seed or fertilizer so he gets us to watch grass grow.
It'd be cool to see a part 2 where you see how many hits they take to dull the tip, then try resharpening all the punches n see if theres any decrease in tip strength
Thank you for the video idea!
That’s a good idea. I think everyone who’s ruined a punch will grind and new point and keep going.
shouldn't be if you don't over-heat the tip.
@@donwest5387 that’s what I was thinking, I’ve had some success when I go slow, and use coolant. The ones I’ve destroyed because I was in a hurry. Live and learn.
grind the tip with the punch parallel to the stone, grinding free-hand off the top of the stone.@@peterparsons7141
I think a comparison of hand file sets would be a good video, I know there are many types of files out there but they are very versatile tools. Thank you for everything you do Todd! :)
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
@@ProjectFarmerror: I just watched your ratcheting wrench comparison.....and as you test the jaws and play, you forgot that the handle thickness varies as the measurement point moves into the micrometer. So you raise the wrench up and the device is measuring a thicker point on the handle......so you measure change in handle thickness and you aren't measuring open end wrench play.
@@sasquatchrosefarts I find the handle to come into play in real life settings though. Often knocking between engine and body or other tight spaces. So while I see what you're talking about, I actually like that the handle is in the test.
My bet goes to Pferd and Vallorbe for best files
@@sasquatchrosefartsright ok. how can you use a ratchet if the handle is out of space to move? Tight spaces are where that matters which a thicker handle will affect.
Hey I’ve been a Machinist for about 1 year now and I’ve been watching you since highschool. I’d love to see a comparison test of cheap vs expensive metrology equipment. They’ll probably both be accurate but I’m mostly thinking of wear in the lead screw and amount of damage the faces can take! Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do! Thanks for the suggesion.
Hey that would be a great video!!
Have you done best wobble/ flex joint sockets yet ?
did something similar to this recently with my grandfather, compared the accuracy of all the metrological equipment around the workshop and came to the conclusion of,
if you need cheap calipers, don't buy dial calipers, as only the expensive ones seem to hold up to the test of time. For micrometers, cheap is fine for metric but you'll be hard pressed to find a cheap tenths micrometer.
If it will repeat, you're as good as your standard is.
I can't help but think the Starrett auto punch you got was a QC fail from the factory. Would be interesting to grind the tip to a point and see how it performs.
All the Starrett auto punches i know/use have a sharp tip. So a defect or a different type. To bad it happens in a lot of test that there are apples to oranges comparisons by not selecting the comparible type/line from the differend manufactures.
Yeah it seems like it must have snuck through their quality department. It would be bad for a company to knowingly allow a defective part to be sent to market
I’m thinking it’s a counterfeit rather than a QC fail honestly.
My starter automatic center punch is sharp as a needle, probably a fluke or a fake, very surprising
Todd, I own a Starrett 18C automatic punch and it has a very sharp tip. I think you got a defective one.
As someone who has went through my fair share of center punches, I can appreciate the value of information given in this video 👍👍
Glad it was helpful!
Did you loose them or you just don't know how to sharpen them?
@@ProjectFarmHi, I would be happy with you to check dry lubrication? That is, either dry materials called graphite, or liquid materials that dry and produce a lubricating layer. I'm mostly interested in this for locks, because liquid lubricant causes dirt to build up until the mechanism jams. So that you check a few things - how fast it dries, how sticky the material stays, does it also clean the mechanism and remove dirt, does it protect the mechanism against rust, and does it really manage to make the mechanism work smoothly.
The best center punch I have used is a needle form a diesel fuel injector.
Great to see the different punches, I have a very old set that were my grandfather's and there's no name on them but they're harder than anything I've ever used them on!! Thank you for the hard work you're the best creator on UA-cam!!
You are welcome!
I think you deserve a ton of respect for ingenuity on your testing setups. It really shows tools in real world scenarios!!!! Love your work!!!!!
Thanks so much!
This channel is a national treasure! The amount of objective information is staggering!!
Thank you for sharing!
Outstanding yet again@@ProjectFarm
I've been a machinist for almost a decade and I'll stand by my starrett center punch. It has never not worked for me, looks great, and it also matches a lot of my metrology tools.
Thanks for sharing!
Yeah I have the exact same automatic punch that was tested. I almost believe he got a manufacturing defect because mine has a sharp point and zero issues with steel
@@hahahahaballsAmazon probably gave him a Chinese replica Startett auto center punch.
Starrett, like Rolex is the most faked.
@@hahahahaballsThey come with different tip "sharpness" levels.
The one in the video is for when you're going to use a larger diameter drill, and you have the sharper one.
Been using a spring tools punch for a year or two on and off with mild steel and have been hugely happy with it, this just confirms it was a very wise purchase! Fantastic work as always!!
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
I have two Starrett automatic center punches. When I use one I always follow with a conventional center punch to get a proper dimple to start a drill. I do learn a lot watching your videos.
That's what I also do.
I love this guy
Thank you!
Absolute Hero.
The consumer's savior!
@@tsx3214well yeah, hes getting paid to do it.
*WARNING* : I have a Spring Tool center punch and I'm glad it performed well in your tests but I will say the actual design of it might be a deal-breaker for many people. If you want a precision tool, it might not be for you. It takes more practice to use so you don't move off your mark. Also, it would be near impossible to use properly if you were working in tight spaces as it requires 2 hands to be on the tool.
Thanks for sharing!
I was going to try the springtool punch, but if figured if I could use two hands I would use a manual punch.
The benefits I see of the auto is one handed operation, and all the automatics I’ve tried work on soft material but fail on the hard alloys.
@@peterparsons7141Where it really shines is when you don't have room to actually swing a hammer enough to get a good shot... The spring tools punches are great...
Worth having in my opinion.
We use the spring tool punches with the fire department as a glass breaker, and they work absolutely amazing for that. I've seen them break plenty of windows that the push punches just can't
@@williamletts9487 I use a device with the same design to remove door hinge pins, and another to adjust dovetail gun sights. It's a really cool design where it works, but I agree with the earlier comment that they aren't all that precise.
I’ve had a snap-on center punch for 10 years as a professional metal fabricator. Mostly working with mild steel, I’ve only sharpened it 2-3 times.
Off topic a little, I grew up on a farm, stayed there all my working life. Back about 65 years my dad bought some chisels and punches from a traveling salesman. I still remember that day. The brand was Lesota, I still have them and still use them, they are fantastic tools. That fellow came by for years, and I have quite a few striking tools that he sold to us. Googled them, incorporated in 1945, dissolved in 1990, headquarters in MN. They sure made some great tools. This video sparked those memories, thank you Todd.
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
My only comment is that you are simply amazing. Your videos, your attention to detail, your testing methods, and your explanations are unparalleled anywhere else. Thank you as always!!!
Another great video. I use center punches occasionally, but never really thought about "good" vs "bad" ones, so I didn't even know I needed this video. I appreciate your hard work!
Thanks and you are welcome!
I've never bought a center punch in my life. I still have the one we had to make in High School Machine Shop class back in 1976. Has been in my tool box for 40+ years as a mechanic. Has only needed a handful of resharpening. Thank you Mr Fetter(teacher).
Thanks for sharing.
I have used a General tool auto punch for over 20 years on all types of steels and metals and it still works perfectly. I am very pleased to see it in this comparison. Thanks as always for being so thorough.
You are welcome!
I can't believe how many were made in the USA. Wish more things were this way. Great video as always. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Mayhew and Wilde make punches/chisels/pry bars for practically every brand that sells ones made in USA. You’re essentially just picking between those two brands
Two reasons. Labour and shipping.
Labour is expensive in the US, but these tools basically vomited out by a machine at the push of a button, so not really labour intense to make.
Shipping is also expensive, especially heavy things (imagine what a shipping container would weight full to the top with these). If you can make something for cheap, and you can make it where you intend to sell it is a no brainer.
@@janosszabo98shipping is too much nowadays so thankfully the manufacturing of hand tools is returning to north America. Milwaukee USA made being an example.
I use the Starrett auto at work when I break glass. The tips we get are considerably sharper though, might be a choosable option.
Thanks for sharing!
I’m pretty sure it was a defect. Shame Starrett quality is sliding
Great testing as always! An extremely useful tool to have on hand when you need to drill holes in steel at a precise location.
Thanks!
What an extraordinarily useful, no BS video. Thank you!
You are welcome!
I don’t do much with metal, but I’m very pleased with my spring tools nail sets. They are extremely convenient when setting proud nails into wood. Better than using a hammer and nail set, and they hit plenty hard enough to set trim nails.
Thank you for sharing!
I also love using the hinge pin remover version as well. Much more compact when you're trying to get the bottom hinge, and you're less likely to dent or scratch the door or trim with a misplaced hammer blow.
Dang I like your videos. No bs, no long long drawn out crap. Everything I wanna know in a quick easy to follow cadence. Thank you sir.
Thank you for the feedback!
Thanks for doing this video. Ive been wanting to get a new center punch and this video made my decision very easy.
Once again, your channel proven it's the most useful whensomeone collect info before buying tools.
Also we've seen once again: not always the most expensive tool is the best.
Thank you!
You are welcome!
Amazing the amount of effort put into all your videos. I’m sure it’s appreciated by millions 😊
Thank you very much!
At least it is by me
For thirty years now I've been using a 3/8-18 tap for a center punch. I always thought it was a nono to strike hardened steel but it doesn't have any chips and the point is still sharp after a thousand strikes.
Thanks for sharing!
Did it start out as a 3/8-16 and you've compressed the thread pitch by hitting it? Eventually it could become a 3/8-24! 😂
This one was a great idea. I've gone through a number of center punches over the years. The results here are interesting. Not quite what I expected. Thanks for great content
You are welcome!
I have the spring tools 2 piece set. I use the punch often, especially in tight places you cant swing a hammer. But I really enjoy the flat head punch for pushing door hinge pins. It is "very impressive." Thank you for your no-nonsense reviews.
Door hinge pins and I found a drawer pull as well.
I mean this… only Todd could make me watch a video about center punches… to completion. >.
lol. Thank you!
As always thanks a lot Todd for what I know will be a fantastic test. VERY IMPRESSIVE
Thank you very much!
You do the most concise and quantitative tool reviews I've seen. Great content.
Thanks!
Excellent video as usual. I truly love your insight in all your videos. Thank you
Thanks and you are welcome!
At this point , like 90% of my garage tools are solely purchased because they passed the Project Farm test.
Wow, thank you for sharing!
I'm surprised to see the dull Starrett punch. I've got a Starrett 18-C punch I purchased in about 2015 or 2016 and it's still pretty sharp.
Thanks for sharing!
I also have and use daily a Starrett 18C. It is probably my favorite punch. It works perfect for aluminum, and steels I use it as a starter punch and follow through with a hammer and traditional punch.
Interestingly enough the tip did get pretty deformed after only a year or so of use. I've had to chick it in a drill to regrind it a few times. Pretty annoying. I guess when it truly wears out I'll have to try finding a replacement.
Years ago 1977 when my hair wasn’t grey.I worked in a shipyard and I required a centre punch. A much wiser man sent me to the machine shop to request a centre punch to keep in my tool pouch. I was told to speak to a specific individual who obviously had many more years of experience than my 20 years. This gentleman took me to a bin and picked out a broken tap, he proceeded to grind a the tap making me one of the best centre punches I’ve ever owned. Sadly that punch walked away and never returned. Taps are brittle wear your safety glasses when striking any punch. Love the channel your videos never get old.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
I really enjoy all these tool reviews! Thank for taking the time to make them.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Good analysis video. My experiences are similar to your results, and curious about different brands you tested. Many modern alloys are a challenge to center punch.
manual punches are a must have, the automatics have let me down and I end up using a manual. I’ve used, abused, and destroyed several automatics. The Starret wins because they replaced, or provided a repair kit promptly. The automatics are useful for multiple one handed punches on softer metals and that’s their limit.
The manual Starret and Snap-on have stood the test of time, some are 50+ years and still going. However I have ruined several of both on very hard steel alloys.
Good video, and thanks a lot for saving me from endlessly searching for an automatic for use on hard metals.
Thank you for the big efforts each week!!!!
Cheers from Italy!!!!
Greetings and thank you very much!
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Cool! I was actually just looking at purchasing a couple of new metal center punches just earlier in the weekend! Good thing I waited a few more hours to have caught this vid. Thanks for the deep dive info
You are welcome!
@ProjectFarm Is it possible for you to list a "highly recommended" or "more likely than not to make you feel comfortable with purchasing" list of 2 to 4 items, from each video, on your website? These could be in a particular order as well.
Separate from the description of the video, which has them in "no particular order"...
Just wondering, cause website would be considered separate entity?
I like the Spring Tools punch for setting nails. No other nail punch I have found has the speed and force needed to set small 18 gauge finish nails when they fail to go all the way in.
Thanks for sharing.
I have the Spring Tools nail set and hinge pin remover and they both work far better than the alternatives I've used in the past.
I haven't personally used a single "store bought" punch ever since I made my own, from a piece of the suspension spring on a car. It's been over a year since I made it and i've used it A LOT and i've never resharpened it. Works absolutely amazing
Same
Show us. Got a video?
Same. I like using 4340 or O1 to make center punches, drift punches, pin punches, roll punches, chisels, etc... My starret punches sit in the toolbox, primarily because they're round and roll around while I'm working.
I have a couple of overload springs a buddy gave me when he busted one. Working it is real drama, unless it's annealed. I will try using that material next time.
@@stevenkelby2169 I don't have any pictures or videoes unfortunately. I could make a video of it being used though
@@andreashenriksen1485 Thanks! Even just a rough description of the way you made it?
I’m so glad you did this comparison. Two takeaways come to mind immediately- 1. The Starrett brand surprised me the most by its under performance, and 2. I have bought a couple of different brands of spring loaded automatic punches over the years, and have returned almost as many. So many have failed to “cock or recock” when used. Another UA-camr remarked that customers should buy three or four of the Harbor Freight ones and keep the one that works. My sentiments exactly.
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
bradbyers7505
I agree, but you can apply this logic to most any other brand compared to buying snap on brand, it's not just HF brand .
This negates the main convenience "advantage" of buying overpriced snap on tools.
You already have 2 to 6 of the same tool for backup for immediate use VS waiting a week or more for the truck to arrive.
I've had both the manual and auto Starrett punches since the 70's, never had a problem with either, and my auto came with a point from new. Obviously the manual punch is better on tool steels than the auto, horses for courses.
I have the starrett auto, it is supposed to come with a sharp tip. They should send you another one
Lol, sounds like a sports announcer. Better than any sports game I've ever watched.
Best center punch is made often from other tooling .... A SDS drill bit top is one of the best options .
35 years plating and welding and i still use the same centre punch i made from a SDS drill bit nearly 30 years ago .
Well I have something to do tomorrow morning in my shop!
I have a centre punch which has lasted the test of time .A Mechanical Fitter in the 1950s used a coal cutter pick as a centre punch .He passed it on to me in the late 60s and I still use it to this day .I have used the punch many thousands of times in those 50 odd years marking out 8 x10 inch girders , Drilling 1 inch holes .The coal cutter pick is still like new .It has a tungsten tip on it .Even the striking end is still undamaged. I would strike it 3 times to make a good indentation for a 1 inch drill with a 2 LB Hammer. I have a smaller cutter pick from the 50s for more precision work, still like new also .Love all your videos , they are the best ...
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
Project farm gives EVERYDAY test that people could understand and do themselves
This is why he’s the GOAT
I watch cuz I enjoy the education of the video I don’t use any of this stuff 😂😂😂
Thank you very much!
Just what I needed! Thank you!
You're so welcome!
The Spring Tools are the best. I purchased a couple on a whim out of curiosity, and I love them; You hold the point EXACTLY where you want and then vary the pull back for your needs and if held vertically, a perfect divot every time.
Thanks for the feedback.
When I worked as a toolmaker, I used a pointed gun tap. The advantage is the point is precision ground. Disadvantage is the brittle HSS. However, I’d make a light punch with the tap, then a normal centre punch to deepen the mark.
As other comments mentioned, tip durability, especially for the loaded punches would be an ESSENTIAL factor. I find that using a loaded punch is much much more convenient that having to hit the classic punch with a hammer. For harder materials (or if i want a larger spot) I just spring punch a few times in the same spot and thats it. Thats why durability of those tipos is critical.
Thanks for the feedback.
To armchair quarterback, I've found that it's so easy to do multiple hits with automatic center punches. I know that could also be done with a manual center punch but it's really easy to just push that automatic one down a couple of time. It would be interesting to have seen what a 2nd strike for some of those automatic center punches would have done.
Thanks for the constructive feedback.
When I saw the Starrett thumbnail for this video, I had to check my tool bag to make sure the center punch I made in high school machine shop back in the 70s hadn't been magically spirited away. I had copied the design from a punch my father-a tool & die maker for GM-had in his home tool collection. I did the lathe work in school, and he taught me techniques for oil hardening it at home. It's a cherished possession, and is still going strong 45+ years later.
Thanks for sharing your unbiased reviews and keep them coming please.
Thanks, will do!
It'd be cool to see how levels compare, for such a seemingly simple tool there's a ton of options with a huge range of prices. Like on a 48" level there's one at $10 and another at $149
Oh, good idea! Todd reads these for ideas, so he might do it.
Great suggestion! Thanks!
Stabila must be represented with at least 2 models!
@@ProjectFarmseconded.
@@ProjectFarmit will be tricky to do levels, because you might have a brand with really loose quality control, but happen to get one that's exactly correct right out of the box, just by luck.
I have a whole set of the Starrett manual punches. I like the sharpness of the tip. It’s great for projects that need more accuracy
Thanks for sharing!
I've got the woodworking version of the Spring Tools one with a nail set on the other end, it's a fantastic tool that doesn't require a hammer for marking drilling points in wood and drywall.
Thanks for sharing.
It's not often I use one but a center punch, and a good one is a must have. Thanks for sharing this!! I've always wondered about those spring punches...looks like I'll be picking one up after this! Great video as always, keep it up!!!
Thanks, will do!
I'll vouch for the Starrett 18A auto punch's durability, still going strong after 30+ years of hard use. I think its had maybe 10 tips over the years and I grind them till they can't be used anymore.
Thanks for the feedback.
Maybe I need a Starrett. I've never had an autopunch work for long. And I've used lots of them.
@@anvilsvs Yes you do, at the risk of sounding like an add. I would get the bigger unit though, I have had some times were I wished for a little more "wallop" than the 18-A could deliver. Other than that it seems to be a lifetime unit.
I think the one he bought was a lemon; Starrett has always been reliable to me.
Regarding the Starrett automatic center punch, I had to check mine to make sure, but you definitely received one that was used or damaged. Mine has a perfectly sharp tip on it. Possible someone attempted to use it on something very hard, and then returned it as if it was never used. Granted, I use mine for mostly aluminum, so I'm not sure you'd see that much better results outside of aluminum.
Some nice options otherwise!
Thanks for sharing!
That's part of the test though, When you spend for a starrett you are paying for QA.... or should be. I'm sure a review unit would have been perfect, but that's why it's so important to just buy it and see what you actually get in the box as a consumer. In this case, a POS... super disappointing, I expected starrett to run away with this.
@@tshackeltonYes if purchased direct from the manufacturer, but I’ve gotten (and returned) some questionable items from Amazon and other retailers.
Todd, Agreed - you might want to check with Starrett on that auto center punch - looks like someone may have abused it and sent it back to wherever you purchased it from. I wholeheartedly agree with your no-gifts stance for testing, but when something is as off-kilter as this, you would be doing us, your viewers, a disservice to not check/confirm your results with the manufacturer. It is very possible you have a forgery as well.
I am going out and getting the Stahwille. I've bluntened heaps of centre punches.
I also like the Spring centre punch. I've had a go with one and it works well and have great control.
Thanks for sharing.
Love this guy! Always great narration from him and great videos. Thanks Project Farm :-)
Thanks and you are welcome!
Been WAITING for this!🤘
Thank you!🍻
Auto punches are great tools for firefighters to break glass.
You bet!
@@ProjectFarmI once went down a rabbit hole on emergency tools, like the hammer-shaped window breaker and seatbelt cutter that doesn't do any good sitting by my computer.
Everyone said to just use a bit of broken ceramic from a spark plug, but when I looked into that it was far more difficult than they made it seem--of course.
Mr. Todd, Sir, will you please compare emergency automotive tools? Thanks! :D
@@drippingwax Yes, that is a great idea.
@@drippingwaxMy knives have had glass breakers on them for years.
Thank you for the videos that you post.
My pleasure!
That was great, thank you. I’ve seen the spring tools style centre punch around and was wondering how they compared, so I’m glad to know now
Thanks and you are welcome!
Another great video. Thank you! Been waiting for this one.
Thanks!
So I have the Starrett automatic centre punch (when I got it, there were two choices of spring tension, and I bought the heavier of them).
My punch head (still) looks dramatically more pointed than the one as seen in test.
I do find it at the highest tension setting to be overly heavy for the size hole it punches. However, I think I may have only once experienced a punched hole that was not sufficient for stopping a drill bit from walking over the face.
Thanks for the test! Logical, but still somewhat surprising results!
Edit: stuttering thumb with StarretT
I've also got the Sterrett Auto spring punch. The tip on it is not blunt like the one you used. You may have received a faulty product. Maybe you can get it exchanged for a sharp tipped product and retry the tests. 16:45
I concur. My 15 year hold Starrett auto punch has a sharp point (still). I would say PF received a defective punch.
Tod I think your the only guy in the world who has ever tested center punches like this. Good work. For myself, I just buy what’s at the store that day. When it loses the tip I grind it back and temper it with a torch and oil. Works pretty good.
Thank you!
As a machinist I appreciate this video. Thank you.
You are welcome! Glad to hear!
In the battle of the 'manual punches', it's truly poetic justice that the Stahlwille came out on top by delivering a celestial body-sized blow! For those counting on automatic efficiency, the sprint tool gave a 'spring' to everyone’s steel-lifting dreams! Not sure if it's the muscle in the tools or the weight of the Todd's words, but something’s surely been hammered home today!
You sound ridiculous.
Good as always, however I believe the bounce in your first test is a function of where it hits on the length of the aluminum plank, therefore introduces errors to the testing you did. I think you should have secured the test pieces to control results.
I was suprised at how well they all did. Thanks for the great and innovation tests. 😷⚒
You are welcome!
Awesome video and technical--definitely a good discussion about punches and durability, Thank you!
Thanks and you are welcome!
these are really impressive results. a 0.03"-0.04" punch is significant. that would literally go all the way through some automotive body pannels
Thanks for the feedback.
Good comparison, thanks Todd! Too bad about that automatics Starrett having a terrible tip as shipped. I would have loved to see how well a resharpened tip would have performed.
Thank you for the video idea!
What a great testing video always giving us viewers as much information as possible @Project Farm
Thanks!
Great video! There is a large number of two stroke enthusiasts that would love to see a high performance two stroke oil showdown. Including, but not limited to personal watercraft oil 😁
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
I've been using the harbor freight automatic punch for years. I'm happy with the performance for $3.99.
Thanks for sharing!
The Gedore 101(similar to the Sabrecut model) and Starrett 18C are excellent automatic center punches.
This specific blunt tip on the Starrett model used in this testing is designed for large diameter drill bits and softer materials. But they have sharper tips as well.
I love my 18C! On aluminum it's perfect by itself, and it's quite precise for steel as well. Sometimes I follow through with a regular punch and hammer, but only if I'm doing something larger or really thick steel
Thanks for sharing!
Yea, my Starrett 18C has a sharp tip I wondered if he got a used tool when he showed that tip. Because all of those automatic punches don’t leave quite as deep punch as the manual ones, I usually deepen my center punch but I think it’s easier to locate the original punch with the slimmer automatic one.
Thanks for sharing!
I agree with what ffontana is saying. There are many varieties of Starrett auto punches. I think the one you were testing with here is recommended for wood in their documentation
I have the Gedore and like it a lot.
a Center punch was one of the first lessons I did during my training. Made from 1.2210 turned, knurled, hardened and tempered. I still used it today but had to sharpen it a few times.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the thorough testing you do on your channel. I would love to see you test OBD2 readers/scanners. I have a new Civic with Electronic parking break and will need a good scanner and your testing would be essential for my purchase. Thanks again for what you do. So helpful.
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
Surprised the Starrett auto suffered qa/qc issue, but this was still a great test. Thanks, Todd!!
It was probably a counterfeit
No problem!
Starrett is one of those brands that ages like whiskey, I bought a hole saw kit 15 years ago, still works wonderfully.
Yes exactly, I think the auto Starrett had a manufacturing issue or was fake
Thanks for the feedback.
Showdown with sound effects! I am blown away!
Thanks!
Hello Project Farm. I worked in the machine shop for years. We were always using center punches. The spring snap center punch worked the best just like your testing. They worked quickly and accurately too. Also, speaking from experience with making tools of all types. The best steels to make a center punch is the old US steel HSS spiral reamers. I have a few that I made forty years ago. They are still sharp and working fine. That is just incredible for the strength, point retention. The spiral part ground down a to about 3/16 inch wide flats with edges ground round to get rid of sharp edges. I would bet they would make every model and make tool you tested run and hide. We are speaking from experience in the shop.
Good day Sir too. vf
Thanks for sharing.
Todd love the content! As a contractor I’d love a comparison of different 14” diamond blade concrete saw blades. They vary immensely in terms of $$ and design.
Thanks for the video idea. Thanks for the suggestion.
This channel is amazing , always fun, innovative and informative. A very good idea would be testing electrical fish tapes to see what does what.
Thank you for the video idea!
And make sure there's a rust-resistance test in there!
When I was training to be an EMT one of the go-to tools we carried for extrications from accident vehicles was a spring-loaded center punch. It would turn a vehicle side window into a cobweb without bursting the window and sending broken glass into the vehicle interior. It was a quick and simple job to pull the glass outward, away from the accident victim. No worries about how well the tip would hold up over time. I still have one that's about 20 years old, but now all I use it for is starting holes for driving wood screws and drywall screws into wood and it still does the job. (No idea what brand it is. Probably the cheapest one they had at Lowe's or Home Depot....)
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I’ve always wanted to know which is best. I was very happy to see this in my feed. Thank you Project Farm! Love your videos
You are so welcome!
One of the things that videos like this demonstrates very well is that the price of a tool is not automatically indicative of its quality. Great testing as always. Thanks for another informative video.
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I was thinking the same thing. The best tools are usually expensive. But all the expensive tools aren't always the best.
This is such an interesting test. Something as simple as a center punch you don't typically think of as being all that variable in performance, but here we are. Thanks for this one!
Thanks for sharing!
Another Awesome Video, Thanks for the information, as I need one! Probably gonna buy one tomorrow!
Thanks!
And I just bought the spring tools punch as I've needed a new automatic one. Thanks for another great video.
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
Would love to see the PB swiss punches tested, I've used both their steel and carbide tipped punches and have found I prefer them slightly to snap on punches. The fit and finish is exceptionally good :)
Thanks for the suggestion.
@@ProjectFarm adding some euro-made center punches from Facom, Rennsteig or Eclipse to the PB Swiss would be great as would be a few automatic japanese ones from SunFlag and Vessel along with some OEMs like the Fowler branded ones sold in the US. don't forget to test the cheap chinese/HF stuff too! 😉
With automatic punches you might want to also test the mechanism durability. I have gone through a few, they just don't strike anymore or only do so sometimes at a weird angle. I've only used them in aluminium and some mild steel, so the tips are usually in perfect condition but that is not any help when the tool beomes a scribe with suspension ^^
been using a Starrett-made Würth rebrand for close to 15 years now and no problem with mechanism durability, same with a couple of made in Japan Sunflag models, 185 and 188, the first one being carbide tipped and no problem with those two too. i'm sure other manufacturers make good, durable ones but it might take a bit of research and testing to find them. 😗👌
quick tip for reducing punch head mushrooming: use a hard plastic no rebound hammer, the PB Swiss ones with the discs inside are really good but most will do with manual center punches when using the propper size. same with and impact driver, it does prolong their life greatly. 😉👍
This guy is the smartest, most underrated person on UA-cam. He easily deserves all the attention he has, and WAAAAY more
Thanks!
Thanks PF You are the best!
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I would love to see a comparison on roll punches!! I've spent too much money on roll punches that bend or mushroom! Love the content, keep it up!
Thanks for sharing!
to limit punch head mushrooming, try using a no rebound plastic tipped hammer. same with an impact driver. 😉
@kittytrail Thanks for the advice, I've been using a brass gunsmithing hammer. I should have probably clarified, but the actual punch side is the one I'm having issues with mushrooming. I appreciate it.
@@reddubzsmash6889 if they mushroom on the flat that is in contact with the roll pin and if you're in the US or in a place with a good truck or industrial dealer, get Snap-on (or some other lifetime warrantied quality ones of your choice) and warranty them when needed as, in the long run, it'll probably be cheaper. good job on using a brass hammer on 'em. 😗👌
edit: if it's the pin that mushrooms it's probably either because you're not careful enough with their handling, placement before whackin' and/or storage or because the pin diameter isn't adequate. if the later, try different makes 'til you find the right one for your job, if former, mend your evil ways! 🤭