What has VALVE (Steam) done for LINUX and KDE?
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There were a few instances in this where "in the interests of Steam deck" was mentioned for work Valve had done, but some were incorrect as the work was being done long before the Steam Deck. It was the Windows Store that really fueled the Linux investment from Valve.
whats the windows store? im curious
@@thomwalks M$'s app store, where they could get a cut of software sales and possibly deny other software stores (like Steam) or even just make it hard to install anything that's not from the walled garden, Windows store.
I thought they started being concerned from "Games for Windows Live" Windows store is just the current iteration of that
@@1funnygame That may be true, I only know Valves Linux efforts were substantially stepped up with the Windows Store.
G4WL only started a few years after Steam launched, so maybe it was M$ responding to valve fueling Valve to respond to M$.
@@ChrispyNutI agree with you, but using "M$" is incredibly childish and just makes it look like you have no actual arguments (especially when msft is one of the largest contributors to Linux both in engineering time and financial backing). Instead try to debate your stance in a constructive and informative way. :)
10:54 _The Steam Deck doesn't use Wayland yet_
I think you were saying the desktop mode, but it's worth noting that Gaming Mode *is* Wayland, with every game spawning in an XWayland container.
Indeed gamescope is a wayland compositor that implements xwayland too
when kde 6 comes, wayland is supposed to be default (if memory serves correctly at the moment), so if steam deck gets kde 6, we'll probably see wayland on desktop mode maybe then, right?
@@cth0nic668 That's probably an interesting discussion over at Valveland. On the one hand: there's still a lot of things (especially around multi-window, multimonitor) that are painful or straight-up nonfuctional right now under Wayland, and I don't see Valve ditching X11 on the desktop until that experience is ironed out.
Along the same vein, though, default or no, I don't see KDE dropping X11 support while there are still 1% (as opposed to 0.01%) use-cases that depend on X11.
Valve have done so much for the linux gaming community. I personally swapped to running Linux full time on my gaming PC about 3 or so years ago and I have not looked back. I actually bought myself a steam deck a few months ago mostly to show my support/appreciation for what Valve is trying to achieve. I do not travel very often so I mainly use it in bed or docked to my TV in the lounge for some casual games.
Same here. I have a drive with Windows in my PC, but it's exclusively for VR. Bought my Steam Deck back when the preorders went live
I think it's DXVK, not DXDK, but I could be wrong.
Indeed the VK in dxvk is vulkan, the same for vkd3d
DXDK is the Danish version of direct x, did you not know? (joking)
Yeah.... Not sure how that would "slip through". Does he not actually use it or was it a separate editor that did that?
No matter, it should have been caught before release.
Also, in the beginning, data from 2017, nintendo switch at 3%. Yes, its about devs, not players I know, but they asked at ONE CONFERENCE, presumably in the USA.
Still like the video though, but facts should be checked imho, it's the least you can ask of a youtuber unless they are called LTT, or are into disinformation or smthn. xD
As a side note, it's interesting that Control is constantly shown in steam when shown in the video.
With raytracing active (or without) I get BETTER FRAMERATE on linux than on windows! 😲
Yes, and also he spelled VKD3D as DKD3D.
Valve has a big reason to be doing this too. Its more devices games on steam can be run with. And they are getting more competition nowadays on Windows.
What's shocking is how *bad* the experience is on the Windows consoles, given that they have a decade of experience with the Surface tablet. Windows is not a touch-friendly OS, apparently suspend/resume is nonexistent, and DX8 (IIRC) games apparently glitch out badly if the display is native portrait (which most are).
I firmly believe that the Year of the Linux Desktop _was 2008,_ but if you'd told back then that in 2023 gamers wanting the best experience would be flocking to the *Linux* box I'd have told you to get your head checked.
Basically, Valve saw what Microsoft was trying to do with the windows store and wenr: we'd have none of that, thanks.
I was under the impression the Deck's gaming mode runs under Wayland, but desktop mode uses Xorg.
That's correct. I've been trying to get an X11-based Deck-like experience running on my GPD Win4, and it's really highlighting why Valve went all in on Wayland First.
Fairly certain that this is how it works. I am curious why they chose X11 for desktop mode though, I wonder if they just felt KDE Wayland wasn't yet ready for everyday use.
@@mgord9518 That's my guess. The version of Plasma that they use in desktop is fairly old too. I haven't touched my Deck in a few days, but IIRC they use Plasma 5.25.
@@mgord9518 I mean, that's my feeling. Too many things still don't work (explicitly around multi-window applications), and when the Steam Deck released, OBS on Wayland was 💯 a non starter.
@@mgord9518at the time kde/wayland wasn't there yet. (now it is) (and if the next nvidia driver includes my GPU I will be switvhing onto wayland entirely)
Valve has done so much for Linux gaming, its made Linux viable for me to use at all lol. I've only needed my Windows partition for Fortnite and VR games so far with what games I usually play. Sucks that whats mostly holding back games now is just developers making their anti cheats block Linux users purposely.
I don't play competitive multiplayer, so I only have a Windows partition on my GPD Win4 to run their calibration and firmware update tools.
There's not a single game I've tried to get working that I haven't managed to get playable in Linux, though SimTower requires pcem because of Wayland's lack of support for the way window decorations with menus worked back then.
Thanks for all the useful information, your videos are helpful and informative.
I think it's really telling that Valve has chosen KDE over GNOME or other desktop environments. KDE really is the best these days!
I could probably argue that, Kde is awesome and light (great with gaming) but gnome looks great and works awesome for working.
@@theabyss18 Have fun doing any kind of serious work that involves more than 2 apps with vanilla Gnome
imo I think the main thing is that it's most familiar with Windows, so those who've never used Linux can easily navigate. Not disagreeing with you, Plasma is by far the go to for gamers especially.
Steam OS 2.0 used Gnome. It caused confusion with people whom where less well versed with Linux.
@@hanro50 wait fr? That's cool. (I don't own a steam deck)
Great video Nicco! You nailed the music and transitions! :)
As always quite a nice video Nicolo !!
Game companies today are really lazy to implement server side anti cheats eliminating the need for client side anti cheats that's why their anti cheats are always defeated....
How would you go about server side anti-cheats? They are going to check all your files over the network and slow everything to a crawl before you can play? The fact is there are certain things that you can only detect on the client side. Do i like it? No. What's your technical solution?
@@NeptuneSegaserver side anti cheat is where the server checks that what you as a player is doing is possible. More commonly it is called server validation. Most bigger games do have some form of this.
Issue is just the more checks that need to be ran server side, the more resource intensive it becomes to run an instance of a game's server. This means it becomes more expensive to host the servers for a set game.
This is why client side anticheat is so popular, it is easier to scale
i dont think its lazy!?
sure! you can eliminates Cheats data that were made on the network on the fly, but not if the data already tampered before being sent to networks nor they know if the game Assets Data were already Tampered with, i mean for PVE type of games it wasnt a very big deal, but on a competitive though nu-uh..
and even till this day Cheaters and False Possitive still present in Minecraft Public Servers and as a fun fact, they sure uses Server side anti cheats btw since theres no way to implements client sided ones before you breach Mojang EULA or makes players download yet another launcher
when talking about server side anticheat it's usually the movement check thing, your comment clearly tells me that you don't know a thing about anticheat. Before kernel level anticheat were made an anticheat would mean the server checking if your movement are human + checking if your account is acting suspiciously ( example : getting 10240403408 dollars in 1 second ) @@NeptuneSega
Many thanks to Valve for what it has done for Linux and for choosing KDE Plasma for the desktop mode on Steam Deck!
But my biggest wish from them would be that they become a full-time KDE patron!
Their money could help KDE development a lot.
I'm not a PC gamer, but I really like Valve's work, now they just need to figure out the number 3.
Thanks for being helpful mr nico i will support kde in the future
Thanks Nicco, great videos! Valve has done a lot for Linux gaming for sure, While other Wine projects work or can be tweaked and made to work or fiddled with to get running, so many games just work great out of the box with Proton. If more is needed Proton GE exists and can improve and fix even more titles. Appreciate your work on KDE, as well as when you showcase/explain/review/try out things and sample other projects and DE's as well, :) Looking forward to KDE 6!
I love KDE! 💙🤟🏻
One detail that I would like to see improving in KDE 6 is about the design of Breeze. KDE 5 doesn't look really good for my eyes, it is like a 2000s UI design.
In reality anti-cheat companies and their users are lazy, there are anti-cheat solutions that don't need to be intrusive, they just require a brain and a little more work, anti-cheat software is not necessary and the companies that make anti-cheat don't want this, and all the companies that have contracts with them neither want this functionally for nepotistic reasons.
Sooo when cheaters are getting into the kernel to hide from anti-cheat what do you suggest they do?
Server side anti-cheat. Modern cheats can completely sidestep any kind of client side anti-cheat by recording from an external machine and injecting inputs through a hacked usb device, no amount of privacy infringing trojan horse kernel anti-cheat is going to stop them. @@colbyboucher6391
@@colbyboucher6391 Use server based solutions, social engineering, machine learning, manipulate the players and never ban any cheaters, instead you shove them into probation servers where they only play against other cheaters and toxic folk, make them leave on their own volition and they'll never come back and you don't have to try and tracking the cheaters over and over again, could also spread around the concept of elevated referees to higher level competitive games (from really good players) who get rewards for assisting the game to ensure it stays fair by being able to ban anyone in it, perhaps they could also apply to lower-level games too, you could then have reporting systems for those referees and if they get reported enough replays of the games and the actions of this ref get sent to company and they will check if they got reported for clear violations, if it is then that user gets banned from that system and will be on the probation system and their rewards will be revoked. There will be leniency given, it has to be a clear case that they're unjustly punishing people in games, the referee's name will be know by all players from the start of any match. These are only a few solutions I came up with off the top of my head, I have no doubt many more exist, core idea is you don't need to put anything on the person's client to deal with cheaters, you just need to stop with the bruteforce solutions, but everyone is lazy and dumb. (except Valve, but Valve still bans people and doesn't use social engineering unfortunately, this will be most successful when you manipulate people into not wanting to cheat, then they will voluntarily stop, when someone is banned they'll just make a new account and cheat more, someone who is not banned is many times less likely to do this because they can still play the game)
@@colbyboucher6391
Non-invasive anti-cheat
@@colbyboucher6391Server-side anticheat
Really thank you for your dedication for kde plasma. Valve really is the reason I can totally swap to linux for a year. BTW, your new component naming (add 5 at the end) makes dependency issue when endeavour os update.I fixed it but just think it can implement better.
Combining PC and mac into one category in "Most important gaming platforms" is the boldest move I've seen in a while
5:54 It's called DXVK (DirectX to Vulkan)
complaint #672: "I'd like to speak to the manager about DXDK AND DKD3D"
timestamp: 5:56
Dumb Xbox Directly Kidding for Linux
@@Beryesa. lol
@13:21 Regarding EAC, it does work with Apex Legends and Elden Ring. There is a way for devs to enable EAC support on Linux, the others just choose not to.
Unlike what you said at 2:24, I don't think Steam Deck (and SteamOS) were ever based on Kubuntu. Versions 1.0 and 2.0 of SteamOS were based on Debian. Steam Deck was launched with SteamOS 3.0, which is based on Arch.
I probably will get some flag for this, but I still don't like the editing of your videos. I don't know if you edit it or some editor, please accept some feedback.
It has too many random zoom ins and cuts and makes the video unpleasent to watch. Not a single sentence is ended, and there was 2 images, 3 zoom ins and cut out to zoom in again. I understand why this is being done, but it is really not good.
Yeah same here. I prefer a more simplier edit that should be more relaxing to watch the video including captioning.
I'm diggin the donation bar!
More channels should use A donation bar!
Thats why i love valve ❤️ our savior from windows.🎉
the first 'O' in proton is the long vowel "owe " sound as in the word, "Open" and the second is the short vowel "aww" sound like in the word "On"
I think the biggest gain with Proton is for older games with old DirectX3D APIs that don't run well on modern hardware but translating it to Vulkan does run well on modern hardware. Otherwise it is fairly 1:1 experience.
Gameplay resume from sleep is a huge feature vs Windows
@@MrQuay03 as far as I am aware it is only a feature for the Steam Deck and not something you can do with any Linux distro.
But no Windows device has that feature either, just the Xbox Series X/S that has it.
I'm glad I bought a steam deck!
I guess when you talked about EAC, you could have mentioned that the company behind it actually was trying to make it available on Linux... until they were bought by Epic, who immediately cancelled the attempts.
Especially since Epic is competing with Steam via EGS (or at least pretends to compete instead of being a vanity project that's just a blip on Valve's radar, lol).
But if they were competing and doing this to spite steam, then they'd invest more in Linux / proton EAC.
Proton is open source and can be used by epic themselves if they really wanted too. If Linux grows more, like it's been doing, it would make more sense for epic to invest in Linux related projects because it would make their things available on the steam (not through steam) and Linux as a whole.
In other words, it doesn't make sense they dropped development just to spite steam/valve. It would make more sense that the market wasn't there as much as Windows.
EAC works on Linux, it's just opt in.
Switched from Windows to Linux around 7 years ago. Never will go back.
Sure there are Games that are not running on Linux at all, but to be fair they are very few.
EAC has an implementation in Lutris, though Devs have to include the necessary files in there Games.
And not many do that sadly.
With Win being an Bloatware/Spyware now a days, People should just switch to Linux.
I mean there are People complaining about switching to Linux is hard, on the other Hand they then use a Mac without worries cause its a "trendy" device.
Its the same as get used to a new Phone or a new UI in a Game. Its not hard, you just have to do it if you real want.
I give Valve my thanks for all what they are doing for us while praying at my Gabe Shrine every morning.
It's more rumors than anything.
I've sold/given a few old computers to non-techy friends and relatives. One I went out of my way to install Windows on because they wanted to use it for gaming, and for some reason had serious booting issues (I'm guessing it had something to do with drivers?) after hours of searching, messing with shit, no avail. I then offered to install PopOS on it to see if it would work better and sure enough it no longer had the boot issues. After a couple visits to help with some basic stuff, they haven't mentioned any further issues and still play on it to this day, probably been about a year. BeamNG Drive, GTA V and a few other games. Ironically, PopOS also recognized their TV resolution out of the box while Windows didn't even have the correct one as an option.
Another I put PopOS on out of the gate which I gave as a gift hasn't mentioned any issues except playing video files, but that was a pretty easy fix of just installing VLC. I also said installing Windows wouldn't be any issue if for whatever reason PopOS doesn't work out for them but they seem to enjoy it.
Ultimately, most people just use whatever comes on their PC and don't care as long as it does what they want, which 90% of the time is running Chrome and maybe playing a few games. Most of the people who think Linux is hard to use have never used Linux
Does the title make anyone else think of "What have the Romans ever done for us?"?
Valeu!
Which currency is that? I tried to look it up but I got multiple answers...
@@aqua-bery Brazilian real.
I commute with the bike to work and I prefer to game on my 4k 42" oled monitor when at home. So I have no use for an handheld gaming device. I still bought the steam deck hoping valve would sell a boatload of those things and keep throwing devs hours into proton. Gaming was the only reason I kept a Windows dual boot. Not anymore!
I can play any AAA game on release day, just install and click play. This was a dream just a couple of years ago. Thanks lord Gaben, have some money!
As a native Linux user for past 4 years - i am really happy how Valve hs not left that market, and evne improved on it.
I love Proron, i love their dedication to make SteamOS 3.0 the best gaming os ever - valve please don't forget to release that OS to the desktop users and not only Steam Deck :D
Even as someone who prefers Debian base over Arch - i can fully understand why Valve took it, cuz lets face it... on that market, AUR and its community is a HUGE game changer
I only do not prefer KDE but that is my personal pick - but it is nothing to make me now trash Steam Deck and Valve :)
So the issue with native linux versions is that supporting linux means you're tacitly supporting however many distros and configurations that are doing things slightly differently and it ends up being a huge issue. For most developers who want to support linux, it's probably better to just make sure you don't break proton compatibility. Amusingly this means you're treating windows as more of a schelling point than a platform.
That's why devs would say 'Ubuntu with these lib versions', now they can just aim for steamOS. :)
Flatpack bundles dependencies. Issue is not difference between Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch - those are mostly same - but running application built for Ubuntu 14 on Ubuntu 23.
@@nathanl2966 yeah, as long as you can target something, thats where the devs go, just like Apple have simpler setup for Apps to run Too Well
Unlike android have different HW config by vendor and so linux distro is, and SteamOs can somewhat makes LInux viable by making a standard for average joe/jane type of user who want to get things done thanks to that Valve is Big Companies and have Big Influences in a market(especially Game and we all know Games already a booming and profitable industry on and after PS2 Console era)
games don't have this problem, steam abstract most of the distro specific things, and most engines, have way to make static binaries, or you could release using appimages
@@kelvinpina3392 The original comment was making assumptions, the point is that linux users generate a cartoonishly lopsided number of support tickets vs their sales numbers, the why isn't so important.
Will HDR work when Plasma 6 is released?
I used to very anti anti-cheat, but after playing Valorant I think good anticheat is very important specially in FPS game for good experience, so expect a lot of custom anti-cheats in future as more and more companies are funding R&D for anti-cheats. I have high hopes from AI based anti-cheats to replace kernel based anticheats
or better, you can now do thing mostly server side to detect the cheats
@@ShiroCh_ID yet to see good server side anti-cheat (with low latency also, ms matters with FPS), even kernel-lvl cheats are getting bypassed with ML and firmware level/DMA exploits
cobsider looking over the subtitles. they don't match the video in a few places. Thanks a LOT for the subtitles tho
I have windows just for Fortnite and Rocksmith. Unfortunately first one is not supporting Linux due to non-technical reasons
The audio of this video is only going through the left audio channel
👍
no protondb in description
Now I’m wondering what an official build of steam deck os based Ubuntu would be like.
Proton can run some versions of EAC
So EA games can potentially destroy my computer :D if someone overtakes their servers and remote execute deadly commands :D ?
The big issue here is that Steam deck is an excellent and cheap desktop computer. (I suggest buying the cheaper one and switch to a 1 Tb NVMe 3rd Gen from Samsung 50-70 €), but as "KDE TABLET" it lacks a lot of refinement.
KDE software menus are not made for finger use, and I think that a "finger mode menu" would be a great improvement. Copying the Android menu way, as Chromium based browsers already do, or in a better way.
I think that nested matrix icons, (vertical row, plus 3x3 dependent nested arrays) being icons ideograms with subtitles, for the main menu issues, that would lead to the final screen action would be great for tablets, and of course KDE tablets. And as history shows, what is good for finger use, is also good for mouse use. I do not understand why "finger friendly" is not a part of KISS, as our brains think to use their hands as first action interface.
I'm curious as to how Phosh would look/feel like on a Steam Deck
KDE has plasma mobile environment and tv environment, maybe they can start there for touchscreen mode....
Hot take: SteamOS should have gone with MATE for its desktop mode. Not only is it optimized for finger use out of the box, but the first-run configurator allows you to choose from a number of themes, including "Redmond" for a Windows-like experience and "Cupertino" for a macOS lookalike.
@@NarendraU23If you're feeling brave, you could try it out and report back! SteamOS 3.5 allows you to install nix packages (removing the need for a third-party overlay tool like rwfus).
@@GSBarlev I don't think their choice was so wrong. Assuming people use the desktop mode with the handheld device, then you're definitely right: KDE is not ready for that.
However, I'm pretty sure they expect people to use desktop mode when the deck is connected to a bigger screen, a mouse and a keyboard. In which case, KDE was probably the only valid choice, considering most of the users are not going to be familiar with Linux, and KDE is probably the most accessible DE for someone coming from Windows.
3:18 "bringed" ouch
How come you no longer get sponsors?
Sponsors at this channel's size are quite rare, I've done very few sponsored videos
Anti-Cheat isn't always the main factor why some games will simply fail to run at all, sometimes game will just simply refuse to run properly or at all with Proton because of library issues that the game calls upon but the library it needs doesn't exist, or throws an unhandled exception error when it tries to boot the game. The ratings by the community on ProtonDB aren't always 100% accurate as to whether games will work properly or not. Sometimes games will be marked Bronze, Silver, Gold or Platinum rating and the game doesn't work, or it has many issues that prevents it from running. Steam Deck users might not get as much errors and problems since everything's been tweaked and tuned by Valve with their own customizations and such, but there are factors outside of that where the game will just not boot at all, or have Steam stuck in a endless loop of "Launching" but never launch, and Proton not being able to take over and print a debug log of what's going on behind the scenes, even if you enable the PROTON_LOG=1 from the Launch Options, because some games will just not move past Launching preventing any logs being created.
At 5:55 you say DXVK, and VKD3D, but on screen is written different. How does such things happen? Feels misleading
I think the editor, who's unfamiliar with the projects, misheard, and I didn't catch that. Sorry!
small mistakes, he's only human after all
Can you PLEASE PLEASE tell you dev teammates to LEAVE Breeze Application Style (Icon Margin Size) COMPACT.
The update version 5.27.9 affect negatively the goal of minimal icon size (16x16 ) by adding USELESS MARGINS above & below icons.. defying the purpose of the compact layout settings.
Productive folks who heavily manage files and windows try to save as much vertical screen space possible for efficiency reasons (this matters when we do tiling for example and work on no more than 1080p screen). Ability to have a very compact and feature rich layout is one big reason I stick with KDE and Dolphin over any other DE.
Most peoples think fatter menus and buttons "make things look pretty" But it eat screen space for actual content and powerful stacked menus.
Deprecation of a compact layout (like we see on the modern bloated web) if a step backward for power users.
9:56 aged like wine unfortunately
How many people would seriously consider installing a custom kernel that is built specifically to avoid a specific anti-cheat software? It's ludicrous to base business decisions on such a small number of people. If someone is determined enough to do that, they're determined enough to run a Windows VM inside of Windows with a debugger attached... And how does preventing Linux players from playing help against that again?
So Proton, is just WINE but with a wrapper. It's just Play On Linux, but integrated into Steam. That's why there can be ProtonGE or ProtonTKE
The one thing I don't like for portable computer like the steam deck,alay ECT
Is that the os have not have good controller support
In my opinion wean the main system use controller for the main system the need to have perfect navigation on the os to ever controller
For example why can the dpad to not be work exactly the same as keyboard arrows
In my opinion the need to make controller navigation in the main os with need to translate in keyboard mode and to have the option to do all the besics stuff with the controller like the option to open and copy files ECT I understand that the software it have disaing with keyboard and mouse but what the fore the os navietion to have traction layer for the controller that the main controls on the system?
im having a stroke reading this 🤣
but back to steam deck, they already has UI that were designed for Controller only use case tho, so Steamdeck were having good controller support
@@ShiroCh_ID yes steam deck have the steam big picture for steam have god controller support.
However the desktop mode it have not disaing with controller
And have wierd controller emulator instead
What I'm trying to say is that it will be if someone tried make os that is controller friendly
With all those hand held PC release now Day's i think os that work with controller out off the box is not brainer and for sure at will be better option
Then have to relay game lunchers like steam or have to emulator those button in keyboard button's
Sorry to say it, but sometimes it is hard to follow you sometimes, I do not mean to be mean or so, but could you try to make less in-between pauses when talking and speak a little more fluent english? Usually I try not to give that too much attention when watching youtube and it was rarely a problem to me, but it is really sometimes hard to understand you and the subtitles do not help as much, as some sentences get skipped. Even if you do not take the advice, I really like your videos and will continue to watch, thank you for the hard work!
I'm typing from Windows XP SP1
@13:00
Gonna be honest: if it weren't for Valve's interest in making gaming on Linux viable, I'd still be stuck on Windows despite being Linux enthusiast and MicroSoft hater. There are some games that only run on Windows, so I'm not able to completely escape MicroSoft's clutch yet. But I'm able to proudly say that I daily run Linux and only occasionaly Windows. Thanks GabeN for not turing Valve into publicly trade company, so Valve can do things like that witch would be unacceptable and insane for investors. (Though Steam's cut is still riddiculously high. And no thanks for inventing the loot boxes.)
It's funny how old games struggle to run on most recent windows versions, but have no problem running through Proton. Linux ended up having better compatibility with Windows games than Windows.
Bullshit. Prove it
So the Steam Deck is not trash like the Librem 5?
Are you kidding? The Deck is fucking gold
@@niccoloveslinux Good to know, i wanted to buy one before i visited my partner in Canada, but i was concerned with the performance because honestly i still cannot play a lot of games on Linux, tho i do understand that both Proton and some games have optimisation specifically for the Steam Deck's hardware but that alone might not be enough was my concern. Either way, thanks for your opinion on it, but i think you meant platinum. ;)
valve building linux bridges as fast or even faster than microsoft burning goodwill from windows users.
This is coming from someone who has used ms products since the ms dos 6.0 days.
where is my wayland support tho ;-;
For wine, it's in the works
For Nvidia...
Better wait for red hat and collabora to finish the open source userspace, Nvidia won't.
@@Beryesa.I feel NVidia is essentially a lost cause for Linux desktop. While I'm not fond of the idea of an AMD monopoly on Linux hardware, it feels like NVidia go out of their way to make using their cards under Linux a shitty experience.
It's comparable to Valve vs most other gaming companies.
5:55 its dkvk not dxdk
Well, there's the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health. . .
No, wait. . . That's the Romans.
Never mind.
If only steam can destroy ea app,ubistoft connect and so on so all the games could be played on linux via steam because ea, ubisoft an others i won't name stubbornly refuse to include wine in their apps and make their app versions for linux.
Valve is the single reason PC Gaming is relevant in 2023.
Poor GNOME
before anyone attacks, I prefer GNOME over KDE
Can't wait till linux over takes windows for gaming like it already has for mac
The constant, awkward zooming in this video and frequent hard cuts are nauseating. Less is more IMO.
Agree, also the multicoloured splash lighting. Just use white light pls.
1:02 .... hmm
Demondice fan???!!!
... and the funny thing is that Valve's founders are ex-microsoft employees. 😀
They let you have WINE without having WINE, which is nice because having WINE normally means you technically open up a lot of windows security vulnerabilities (yes I know it's still not that simple to get infected)
Are you talking about just not having it available to accidentally click EXE files?
I would have never touched linux because it just looks so alienating to me. People say use this version, that version. With windows you know what to expect and now with SteamOS, I also know what to expect. I hope the variable frame rate and suspend will work as well on PCs.
Just boycott any game using anti-cheat or DRM. Most of them are extremely shady to begin with, operating in ways that slow down performance and could potentially allow exploitation of a system.
I really don’t like the constant zooming on your face. The cuts are fine, but the zooming is way too much.
11:50 Just let Linux "cheater" play separately from Windows users, just like players with a gamepad play separately from players with a keyboard.
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Dude got so much wrong and the comments show he really shouldn't be talking about shit he doesn't want to do research about 😂😂
Could we make cheating harder on Linux by introducing special locked down kernels that are verified by TPM2? Not every distro could have all their releases verified, and it would probably slow down updates, but since you can just choose a different kernel at reboot, it wouldn't hinder non-gaming usage much.
Feel free to fork and write a more insecure kernel and release.
I would most likely never ever use it because the kernel works like that for a reason.
If you want that kind of kernel, there is this os called windows 11 you can use.
@@marcusjohansson668 Noone is stopping you from using whatever kernel you like. This is not about the user. It's about making the corporations happy. If we want Linux gaming to grow, this is a necessary evil. And "evil" is overblowing it, really. It won't affect anyone outside of gaming sessions.
Also, comparing a system like this to Windows is wrong on so many levels. We have the opportunity here to create a fully open-source kernel anticheat that does as much as possible to protect the user's privacy and security. I know all this sounds unusual, but if you shake off all that elitism for a moment, I hope you can at least understand where I am coming from.
@@RoyaltyInTraining."It's about making the corporations happy. "
Yeah, no thank you, they should make ME happy so I would buy their product, not the other way around. I'm quite frankly blown away that ppl actually think this way, no wonder capitalism is beyond broken.
Linux is growing just fine, I have never bumped into any trouble with gaming I could not easily fix.
But there in lies the difference between us, I DO NOT SUPPORT CORPORATIONS THAT VALUES OWNERS (shareholders) ABOVE CUSTOMERS, AND NEVER WILL! Ie, I do not play any of those AAA games filled with cheaters. Problem solved.
"Also, comparing a system like this to Windows is wrong on so many levels."
LMFAO, ok.. its "wrong" to compare os to os..? 😲 Are you payed by some corporation or something??
"We have the opportunity here to create a fully open-source kernel anticheat that does as much as possible to protect the user's privacy and security."
That the question though, who are this "we" you talk about. NOBODY WANT TO MAKE AN INSECURE "LINUX" KERNEL OR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
If you want that stuff, USE WIN 11!
but I am apparently not "allowed" to compare those. LMAO
My comment was: "go make the kernel then, nobody is stopping you".
But I can guarantee you, nobody that actually knows how these things work will do it or involve themselves in it.
But that just flew right above your head didn't it?
If "being elitist" means; "knowing how things work better than you" than I'm fine with it, call me whatever buddy. LMAO
Me, I enjoy the higher framrate I get on most games on linux compared to win, because there is not a bunch of bf going on in the background eating up valuable processing power.
You have 3 choices:
- Use windows
- Use linux and stop supporting DRM bs
- make your own kernel, get to work on a distro and try to get the DRM:s working on it. LMAO
@@marcusjohansson668 Usually I find that if I have a demanding AAA style game and I play on linux, I get middling fps. Then (mostly) I switch to Win7 with no updates except those necessary for the game to run, I get 20-40% more FPS. If its an indie game that is simple enough, then I game on linux. I haven't and won't try Win11. I could imagine the amount of BS going on there, not for me though.
@@marcusjohansson668 Aaaand we have arrived at leftist infighting again! Wonderful. I'll just let you keep living out your dreams of fighting the bourgeoisie through your choice of software.
But I would rather not deny myself the games I want to play. Defeating capitalism will take far, far more than us nerds protesting, so all these squabbles will be worthless anyways.
PS: I find it kinda funny how your reaction perfectly fit the image I had of you in my head.
Valve is doing doing this to stay in business, avoiding fees and not relying on other companies. It's not from the goodness of their heart like these maniacs claim it to be. When their interest doesn't align with yours, you will understand
Only Steam rabid fans would say it's from goodness totally though, any people here know that most part of it is pragmatism, people just praise anyone who can improve Linux adoption without using lockdown tactics. And it's weird that despite it has been clear that Microsoft is enshittificating Windows, other stores such as Epic Game Store and GOG don't have any plan to migrate or support Linux seriously as a platform, especially given GOG they had been very anti-DRM for a very long time, and many Linux users also anti-DRM too so they would get lots of new users. Also supporting Linux gaming isn't as hard now as others (including Valve themselves ironically) has made a lot of tools for easier compatibility, they use move there and take the cake lmao
I swear to god, I'd switch to Linux instantly if it wasn't for stupid anti cheats like Valorants.
Did you ever care to think that for certain users that kind of stuff isn't really of importance, sure it has root level access but a Multibillion dollar company has a lot on the line if something ever does happen.
It's not like noone has an eye on stuff.
Also I don't use this PC for any kind of Banking, personal information etc. That is already on a seperate Machine running windows. But daily driving is just not worth it when certain softwares don't work.
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I only support the Steam Deck because it helps Linux and Linux gaming growth,
but I actually don't care about Steam anymore because of all the DRM.
Absolutely nothing.. and don't even get me started on the Romans..
Valve should have kept Ubuntu as a base or move to Clear Linux OS. Arch is really not that great for performance
Ubuntu wouldnt be great because of slow releases that will just delay most of the features that valve wants to implement. So pretty much Arch is a much better choice in terms of release cycle and customisability specially in the kernel....
Why exactly would Arch be any worse than Ubuntu for performance?
Idk, I think the way they have it set up is pretty good. Using Ubuntu as a base would change nothing for the average user except slower boot times (assuming they don't strip it way down)
Arch isn't really an operating system as much as it's a package manager and a default repository-literally Arch base doesn't come with a DNS resolver-and that's why it made sense for SteamOS 3 to be Arch-based: whereas Ubuntu is extremely opinionated (read: snap) and even Debian has philosophical issues with nonfree, Arch is a blank slate that allowed for infinite customizability.
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"Not really great for performance"... please elaborate on that.
I thought the whole time that you have a horrible accent, allmost as bad as us Germans. Now I see the name list and your team is Italien? But you don't have this stereotypical Italian accent (Ending every word in vowl) as depicted by Hollywood. (or Davie504)
Is this like we would talk to locals during party vaction in Rimini?
Or are you just not Italian at all , as your accent sounds kinda like Baltic states like .
1:02 Did you just sample a DemonDice song?
DemonDice - 21st Century Haters (feat. Deadfool & Minari)
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