@VahanNisanian Cybermorph is more well known among gamers for that moment in the AVGN video that for anything ppl remember from back in the day as one of the least popular games while his youtube channel is one of the oldest and most popular ones that cover retro games
@ at least 3D0 was better than the jaguar which is surprising because 3DO was a start up company while Atari was a large established tech company on the decline
Your videos have always been great, but you're so comfortable doing it now and the passion is coming from your voice. Thanks for all you do and a baba booey to you as well
In grad school I purchased a Jaguar and a Lynx from another student. For the Jaguar, I literally bought it for the two games Aliens vs Predator and Tempest 2000 - those two games alone kept me from getting my master's degree! And for the Lynx, I played Klax into the ground Thanks for covering, Patmann!! You da man!! Boom Shaka Laka!!
I have one, and the best word I can describe it as “WASTED POTENTIAL”. It could have been great and while there are some diamonds in the rough, I can see why it didn’t appeal to you. Anedotally, I streamed a grabbag of games with my girlfriend earlier this month as “Jaguar-y” (playing Atari Jaguar games in the month of January) and you so happened to review the system itself! What I think would have helped the system was actually NeoGeo ports-games like Magician Lord, Alpha Mission II, and even Football Frenzy (bearing in mind, these are games that are under 48 megabits-the most a Jag cartridge can muster) would have gone a long way!
I remember this being on display with Aliens vs Predator on my college campus back in '94 and being really impressed. What a shame that one game wasn't representative of what the whole library would be like.
That commercial is on my top 10 Video Game Commercials of all time! DO THE MATH!!! Never owned one, but had an uncle who was huge into Atari & had this at his house! Played a lot of Aliens vs Predator on that game! i remember waiting for a comic book shop to open in 1989 for the 1st ever comic of Alien VS Predator! Then to have a Video Game come out in 1994 was epic! Perfect timing too because 1st person shooters was just becoming a thing back then!
Patman, thanks for covvering the Jaguar. Lots of great details with your personal style on the history of the Jaguar Atari. I still remember walking into Suncoast Vidoe back then, and thinking the Jaguar had a big hill to climb to succeed. The controller with all the buttons on it looked overwhelming! Then they had the templates for each game.
I would definitely like to see the post-life Jaguar games. Almost every thing I have ever seen covering the Jaguar only shows the games that came out during its lifetime. I would be really interested in seeing what people have done since. And please keep up the good work!
There is so much that we can use categories: 3d . There is an abandoned voxel space RPG . There are some 3d demos, but sadly most flat shaded. 2d RPG , Hack n shlash, jump n run , and a shooter which came a little too late during the commercial life will be finished. Is battlesphere any fun? I would love some story based space shooter with 3d cut scenes. Then use this 96k Demo technology to compress it on a cartridge like it is 1993!
I get all of the history of my games from you as a younger gamer (gen Z) you give the best history lessons on these little quirky games and consoles that were way before my time makes me want to play games from them and really give them a run myself. thank you so much Patman!!!
I remember the Jag getting hyped up back in the day pretty vividly in game magazines. I remember wanting one so bad but sadly wasn't available in my little town. Finally got one and the cd add-on. Tempest is definitely my favorite game on it. Yes id really like to see more content here about it. Interesting stuff. Good job!👍
Great vid, been playing the Jaguar myself currently for an upcoming podcast I do (RGDS podcast) and I have to say been having a blast playing a lot of the games. battle morph (cd) in particular really impressed me.
Great vid as always. I also didn't own one when it was released and is one of those systems I hope to get at some point. They are very expensive now but we will see.
I got mine brand new for $39.99 from KB Toys in 95 or 96, I think by the time I got it most of the games were gone at the stores. In the Early to mid 00's I would always check game shops for Jaguar games because they would always have them for cheap and include boxes, so I think it was $10 a piece for Doom/Wolfenstein and $15 for AVP.
I have little to no interest in Jaguar whatsoever, but I do now since you’re covering it! Thank you for the terrific coverage, Patman. Also, thank you for covering some of the better titles such as Pinball Dreams, most coverage of this platform focuses on the crap, which is way too easy.
I remember being pretty excited for the Jaguar after reading about it in EGM and other magazines. However, shortly after the Jag was released I was able to play it and Cybermorph at an independent video game shop that was open for a couple of years in the strip mall behind the Northwest Bank tower at Northpark Mall in Davenport, IA. There's a UPS Store in that location now. After playing Cybermorph I was seriously less than impressed to say the least! "Where did you learn to fly" indeed! At home I could play a mean game of Doom and other 2.5D games on my lowly 486 PC but the "64 bit" Jaguar's pack in game looked like something that was developed for a 386 PC in 1990. Later on after Tempest 2000 was released and was getting good press I went back to that game store and tried it out. It was actually fun but was far from a system seller. It was no doubt to hear that developers on the Jag had so many issues with the hardware. Since Atari didn't develop the console in house they couldn't do much to provide developer support beyond provide the information they got from Flare. I would bet that Flare wasn't too keen on going above and beyond to help since Atari at that point was infamous for not paying their bills on time or changing contract terms to give developers the shaft.
I know exactly which door you're talking about (the UPS store) but don't recall a videogame store being there. Since I lived in green rock Illinois at the time I didn't get the Northpark very often especially in the mid-90s. Thank you fellow Quad citizen for sharing
@@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries The store was only there from around late 93 until sometime in 96. When the N64 was finally released in the fall of 96 my friends and I wanted to check it out in a store. We found that game store had closed. Luckily, the nearby Toys R Us that was at Brady St. & Kimberly Rd. had a N64 kiosk setup in the store. Shortly after that my friend group pooled our money together to purchase a group N64. We had maintained a group SNES for a few years prior to that. Some of the guys had gotten tired of always having to come over to my parents house after school in order to play SNES games as I had owned one since it's initial release. So in early 94 a travelling group SNES was purchased. It, the controllers and all the games purchased for it travelled from one friend's house to another one in a big duffel bag. The group SNES & N64 were maintained until most of the friend group went off to the U of I or other colleges in the fall of 98. After that most of the group continued to get together for LAN parties a few times a year well into the 2000s. :)
This was flares chance for 10 minutes of fame . Just it seems like they could not employ or train supporters on that money. It takes years to understand the hardware. Atari did not want to pay the devs extra for the steep learning. Atari enthusiasm. I Stil Claim that a simpler hardware would have been most effective here. Jack Tramiel being secretive here did not help . Did Motorola put an NDA on him? 3do was already out and more advanced. SH2 was out, just 32x not yet.
It was 64 bit, not because 32 x 2 for tomorrow and jerry but because of components in one of those chips and the data bus. The problem was hardware defects and lack of dev tools and documentation. PS was much easier to develop on.
One of my buddies bought a Jaguar at the time and swore by it, and every-time me and another friend would come over, we would rag on it. I've been gaming since the late 70's, so I've seen the best and the worst of gaming, and while the Jaguar wasn't the worst, it was far away from being anywhere near the best. Just a really squandered opportunity, as it had some decent ideas, but beyond poor execution, and no idea what the market needed or wanted at the time(claiming 64-bits in commercials was never going to translate to actual sells). All that being said, I'll sing the praises of Tempest 2000 until my dying breath, that games is F' ing AMAZING.
I knew alien versus predator was a great game before start of the video but didn't have much experience with iron soldier. It turned out to be a rather pleasant surprise
I remember getting one back when they came out. I can't believe my parents actually bought me one. I was definitely mad that I bought into the hype but there were a few cool games for it. I recently sold my inbox Jaguar and a few games a couple years ago and made some good money off of it.
The Jaguar is one of those things that would have been kind of awful to own in a world of SNESes and Genesises, and later Playstations and Nintendo 64s, but makes for a fascinating topic after the fact.
18:00 that's no rumor. That's absolutely true. Kay-Bee Toys is where I ultimately picked up my Jaguar back in the late spring of 1997 for the sum total of $50. I returned for several weeks thereafter and picked up a bunch of additional titles for right around the $5 mark until the stock was finally gone (Tempest 2000, Iron Soldier, and Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure among them). I'm not sure if the stock was completely sold out or just sent to a landfill and written off.
The 7800 would have been a smash hit had they released it when it was actually ready back 1986, but instead they freaking sat on a warehouse full of them for like 3 years. It demolishes early era NES games, but SMB 3? No freaking way. Harbinger of things to come for Atari.
I remember being one of the first who called out the developers on the Colecovision Chameleon when i saw the board used. They virtually stole people's money. I don't know what happened to them in court, but I do remember there was a big case involving them with stealing money from the crowdfund instead of giving it all back. They failed to realize there are nerds out there who know even the boards used for consoles and arcade cabinets.
I grabbed a Jaguar on clearance for like $25 at a Kaybee Toys around 1997. I found another unit at a garage sale a few years later with the CD unit and about 25 games or so for $30. I gave the extra console and duplicate games to my brother and kept the rest. Because of that, we were able to JagLink and play Doom. It's fun, and works decently for death matches, but crashes constantly in co-op. We played a lot of Brutal Sports Football around that time, and I've always preferred its Doom and Wolfenstein, and only a Philistine could hate Tempest 2000. Today, it's still my 10 year old son's favorite way to play NBA Jam TE together (yes, we set up a team tap to play 4 player... but never White Men Can't Jump. We tried- it was awful). I rarely play the CD games, though I do have all of the exclusives for it, and it does work still. Fun retrospective. Thanks for not dwelling on the 64 bit or not debate- it never really mattered. When you look at what came out on SNES and Genesis in 1994, the premium stuff like the Neo Geo AES and 3DO, and the PS1 and Saturn being around the corner, it never really was going to make a difference either way.
My dad bought me a Jaguar and about 16 games through the mail order system in about 1996. I liked it, and only my cousin was the other person I knew that ever had one. About 7 years later I was in college, had a dreamcast and Xbox, so I sold my Jaguar collection for next to nothing to a Slackers store...its the most ive ever felt ripped off with the prices I could get a few years later, lol. Wish I still had it.
My spoiled friend had a Jaguar on day one. His dad came home from Babbage's after work that day, and dropped it in our laps. I helped him get it connected to the TV in place of the SNES, and we played Cybermorph all day, every day for a couple weeks. After that, we just... turned it off...
I was unfortunate to own one of these back in the day. I only bought it to play AVP which in the end turned out to be a bit meh! I sold it after a month
I didn't want to waste any money on it but thankfully I got to... ahem... "enjoy" the Jaguar back in the day thanks to a friend of mine that was some kind of contrarian that was hell bent on only supporting the underdog. He was the only person I knew with a Sega tower of power too. And a Fiat Panda. Strange guy, I loved him.
That time when Atari tried to cash in on the PlayStation and Sega Saturn. If anything, titles like Tempest 2000 and Missile Command 3D are some of the few ones worth playing.
@@SolCresta3405 I read that PS1 was in a long cost reduction phase. So, secret development ( a secret kept from Nintendo ) may have started quite early.
Kaybee did have consoles and games dirt cheap. I remember getting the console and several games for $100. Wish I would have never got rid of it. I gave it to a neighbor who had a little kid.
With the 64-Bit moniker, it was also due to the fact that it had a 64-bit data bus. It's a shame that it was so hard to develop for as many companies ended up strictly using the 68000, which was originally intended to only be used as a support chip Tom and Jerry.
And with strictly you mean AI and physics. Though I never understood how and why a game converts game objects (as in Unity3d) to display objects stripped of all information unnecessary for display. Amiga had the copper to queue a command list to the blitter. So why not use the GPU here? Perhaps the blitter is too fast ?
Honestly it seems like the Panther may have been more successful and they should have run with that while getting more of a handle on the Jaguar if they were trying to get back in to the home console market
What does the Panther offer over genesis / SNES ? I don't see how it would attract more developers. I mean, I never understood how SuperFx could get successful, while PCs and Mac could play those kind of games even before and better. So there was a novelty market for 3d.
@ArneChristianRosenfeldt easier to program for than the Jaguar would probably be the biggest selling point . It sounds like it would have been a hell of a pixel based system,at a solid price point. The Jaguar just wasn't really ready and it showed.
@ the 2d part of Jaguar is the Panther. It is colorful, but only can do a few sprites. It is so bad that I wonder if Tramiel did not want to pay Texas Instruments for patents? JRISC should manage the sprites using its scratchpad. Then the software devs would violate any patents. Never heard that C64 games were sued for sprite multiplexing . The complicated stuff is already on Panther: you need a special converter for the color format. Also: no translucency like the fog on genesis. Not compatible like the NeoGeo.
The Kay*Bee Toys at my mall was getting rid of the consoles for $35. My dad (also a gamer to this day), and I really thought about buying one just for the hell of it, and didn't! I wish he had! I also wish I had a time machine! I would have cleaned up!
I had a good job and a lot of free time during this era...That did not go well for me. I owned a 3DO, Jaguar, 32X and CDI in what is, at-best, the most awkward console era. I appreciated the Saturn and PlayStation (which I also owned) so much more because of the others, BUT overall, Outside of 10-12 games maybe I would revisit, This whole era should R.I.P. #NEVERGETTINGTHATMONEYBACK having said that, the Jag has some genuine great games. I still play the Jag version of Doom and Tempest. (In case you were wondering, I skipped the N64 because of all that Failing I did with these consoles) ((cue debbie downer music))
I think most consoles come down to the games, are there enough third party developers making games for your system? The Master system is a good example, it's superior to the NES , but it didn't have Konami, Capcom, sunsoft and others pumping out dozens of games a year. Thanks for the video Patman!
Master System is like Jaguar: a Little More colors, but nothing which would make porting arcade titles easier . PcEngine at least increased the sprites per line limit to 16 .
Jack Tramiel only purchased the home console and computer division of Atari. As a result, the arcade division created Tengen to publish games for the home market for trademark reasons. I like the Jaguar, but it really didn't have much third-party support. The 2D games it did get looked great (usually), reminding me of the Amiga. If it did get the third-party support, it really could've competed against the Genesis, SNES, and TurboGrafx (possibly also the 3DO). The 3D games usually weren't that great, though, so it could only really hold its ground against the 32X as the PlayStation, Saturn, and Nintendo 64 blow it out of the water.
Hey everyone, can someone tell me the best way to find & play the old Atari 2600 & 80s arcade games? I use my son's Nintendo switch and there are several available in there but not all of them. The Atari Flashback classics is very disappointing.
Imagine releasing a CD add on for a console that already did not sell too well. Who should buy it? And who should develop games for a peripheral that nobody owns? Who approved the design for this controller? Also the false advertisement with the 64 bit.. when there still were some loyal Atari Fans, after Jaguar there likely were none left...
My main takeaway from this is I'm sad we never got the Panther and wonder how that could have turned out. Probably not well, but.....its hard to be worse than the Jaguar unless you're a CDI.
The Panther has nothing over SNES. Raiden was written for Panther. The SNES version is better. SNES has a top notch audio chip from Sony. I don’t see how Panther can make a difference. Ensoniq seem to be stuck in the past.
Typically with a console game, you’re supposed to pick it up, turn it on, and be able to at least get started on the game quickly learning the objectives. Operating the controller shouldn’t rely on looking at it and using a cardboard overlay to play games like Doom. The 3 button configuration was a leap backwards into 1989 with the Sega Mega Drive. Atari had no mascot. The 2600 unofficial mascot could’ve been pac man. Releasing the pro controller should’ve been packed in from day one. Then the whole console gets confusing when there’s a CD add on . The messaging would’ve been very confusing to parents. Nintendos 8- bit success came from its relaunch into the US market as a toy packed in with Duck hunt, light gun and the robot. Simply paying extra doesn’t add up to consumers when they need an explanation how to even begin playing a game.
pat glad to see you doing better...i recall jaguar being involved in lawsuit over if it was truly a 64 machine and its marketing...dont recall much about it.
Thanks. Never came across anything about a 64-bit lawsuit only the one where Atari sued Sega. They had similar settlements with Nintendo as well but that was much earlier
@@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries i think but it had been awhile it was over false advetising jaguar had only 32 bit chips thats 2 chips not one so advertisers added 32 and 32 and got 64...that is all i can recall i never followed atari after original guys left. and another group left to make their own company...it had been almost 40 years...
I wanted one of these SO BAD when it came out, just for AVP. Fast forward several years and i got one used from some indie game shop and HOO BOY did i hate it. It didnt help that the only game they had was some shitty fighting game, so that probably didnt help.
I read three different accounts of how many units of avp were sold and actually had 75,000 initially. I read a different report that said it was 250,000 so I changed it. Thanks for the clarification
A console that, let's not forget, was 32 bits. You don't get 64 bits by adding 2 CPUs together. If so, I can't even fathom how many bits a modern cpu with 20 cores would have.
2025 needs to be the year where the Patman earns his well deserved silver UA-cam plaque for 100k subscribers
That would be great but I can't even get to 90,000.
Thanks my friend
Patman definitely deserves to hit 100K in 2025!
You'll get there mate !
22:59 That game drove the AVGN insane over "Where did you learn to fly?".
Where'd you learn to be an asshole?!
😂
Fully tilted in the PTSD moment
@@VahanNisanian where'd you learn to be an /-\$$ |-|ole?!
@VahanNisanian Cybermorph is more well known among gamers for that moment in the AVGN video that for anything ppl remember from back in the day as one of the least popular games while his youtube channel is one of the oldest and most popular ones that cover retro games
I was 8 years old when my Mother refused to buy one of these for me. She bought me a Genesis instead. Good looking out Mom.
Bet
Smart mum 😂😅
You had a better childhood because of your mom! ❤
Imagine if she thought she would do you one better by buying you a 3DO
@ at least 3D0 was better than the jaguar which is surprising because 3DO was a start up company while Atari was a large established tech company on the decline
Your videos have always been great, but you're so comfortable doing it now and the passion is coming from your voice. Thanks for all you do and a baba booey to you as well
Thank you so much, I appreciate it! And baba booey to you! LOL
17:10 - giggity 🤪
25:17 - Flashback was an awesome game with a great story. It reminds me of the "Total Recall" movie. 😎
Total Recall is one of my favorite Arnold movies
In grad school I purchased a Jaguar and a Lynx from another student. For the Jaguar, I literally bought it for the two games Aliens vs Predator and Tempest 2000 - those two games alone kept me from getting my master's degree!
And for the Lynx, I played Klax into the ground
Thanks for covering, Patmann!! You da man!! Boom Shaka Laka!!
I have one, and the best word I can describe it as “WASTED POTENTIAL”. It could have been great and while there are some diamonds in the rough, I can see why it didn’t appeal to you.
Anedotally, I streamed a grabbag of games with my girlfriend earlier this month as “Jaguar-y” (playing Atari Jaguar games in the month of January) and you so happened to review the system itself!
What I think would have helped the system was actually NeoGeo ports-games like Magician Lord, Alpha Mission II, and even Football Frenzy (bearing in mind, these are games that are under 48 megabits-the most a Jag cartridge can muster) would have gone a long way!
I remember this being on display with Aliens vs Predator on my college campus back in '94 and being really impressed. What a shame that one game wasn't representative of what the whole library would be like.
The Jaguar is one of those "This could have been good, had it not been for the people in charge." kinds of things.
Lack of third-party support, buggy chipset, etc.
The question that needs to be answered is...
Where did you learn to fly🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Roger-fs5yo WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO BE AN ASSHOLE!?
@@Roger-fs5yo and where'd you learn to be an /-\$$ |-|ole?!
@@adventureoflinkmk2 oh my God, that's hilarious🤣
Thanks for this history
Such a mess
Such a missed opportunity
But what was good was great!!
Thanks PatManQc
👊🏻😎🕹️
Thanks!
Awesome, thank you so much
That commercial is on my top 10 Video Game Commercials of all time! DO THE MATH!!! Never owned one, but had an uncle who was huge into Atari & had this at his house! Played a lot of Aliens vs Predator on that game! i remember waiting for a comic book shop to open in 1989 for the 1st ever comic of Alien VS Predator! Then to have a Video Game come out in 1994 was epic! Perfect timing too because 1st person shooters was just becoming a thing back then!
Aliens vs. Predator was definitely a great game for the Jaguar!
I remember seeing the ads for this thing back in the day and loosing my mind over the "64 bit" claim. Awesome video, as usual!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Patman, thanks for covvering the Jaguar. Lots of great details with your personal style on the history of the Jaguar Atari. I still remember walking into Suncoast Vidoe back then, and thinking the Jaguar had a big hill to climb to succeed. The controller with all the buttons on it looked overwhelming! Then they had the templates for each game.
I would definitely like to see the post-life Jaguar games. Almost every thing I have ever seen covering the Jaguar only shows the games that came out during its lifetime. I would be really interested in seeing what people have done since. And please keep up the good work!
There is so much that we can use categories: 3d . There is an abandoned voxel space RPG . There are some 3d demos, but sadly most flat shaded.
2d RPG , Hack n shlash, jump n run , and a shooter which came a little too late during the commercial life will be finished.
Is battlesphere any fun? I would love some story based space shooter with 3d cut scenes. Then use this 96k Demo technology to compress it on a cartridge like it is 1993!
Amazing content as always! Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I never had one of these growing up and have never played one but back in that day the hype was real !
Yes it was
I get all of the history of my games from you as a younger gamer (gen Z) you give the best history lessons on these little quirky games and consoles that were way before my time makes me want to play games from them and really give them a run myself. thank you so much Patman!!!
That's very nice of you to say. I'm glad you enjoy my content
Superb documentary Patman!
Great to have you back. 🙏🏻
Thank you for watching!
I’m traveling Africa and still make time for PatmanQC! ❤
You are very kind, that sounds fun
Thank you for these spectacular retrospectives. They are a godsend for watching before falling asleep in bed! I rewatch a lot of them.
How kind of you to say. I'm glad my videos can help your insomnia :-) thank you very much
Great job! Add ons that I wasn't aware of. Great narration, thorough yet concise presentation. Really outstanding!
Thank you, I appreciate you saying that.
Another great video Patman 👍
Thank you!
I remember the Jag getting hyped up back in the day pretty vividly in game magazines. I remember wanting one so bad but sadly wasn't available in my little town. Finally got one and the cd add-on. Tempest is definitely my favorite game on it. Yes id really like to see more content here about it. Interesting stuff. Good job!👍
Tempest is fantastic, thank you so much
Let's Go Awesome Video and insights brother have a great day
Yea!! I been wanting him to talk about the Jaguar. Very excited!
Excellent, I'm hoping you enjoyed it
Great vid, been playing the Jaguar myself currently for an upcoming podcast I do (RGDS podcast) and I have to say been having a blast playing a lot of the games. battle morph (cd) in particular really impressed me.
Thanks, I may have to check out your podcast
The phone controller. I always wanted to make a long distance call with it
LOL
Had a jaguar in 95, and "how did you learn to fly?" Is PERMANENTLY etched into my subconscious, AVP was pretty good though
LOL I should have mentioned the green headed lady
A new PatmanQC video in my feed ya know I gots to check it out and hear his quotable ''Happy little games'' line!
Thanks, happy to oblige
Oh yeah new Patman on a Saturday!! Hope ur doing good & Happy New Year!!
Thank you kindly, happy new year to you as well
Great vid as always. I also didn't own one when it was released and is one of those systems I hope to get at some point. They are very expensive now but we will see.
Always happy to hear your healthy voice again
Thanks, I hope you enjoyed the video!
@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries Absolutely and always 👍
Awesome video! Thanks pacman
Thanks a bunch for watching!
Great video man!
Thanks a ton
Great video!. So much I didn't know about this console.
Thanks! It was a very interesting console.
Great video Patman!!!
Thank you
Thank you Patman!! ❤
Thank you for watching
I got mine brand new for $39.99 from KB Toys in 95 or 96, I think by the time I got it most of the games were gone at the stores. In the Early to mid 00's I would always check game shops for Jaguar games because they would always have them for cheap and include boxes, so I think it was $10 a piece for Doom/Wolfenstein and $15 for AVP.
That's a pretty good deal for Doom/Wolfenstein and AVP!
It was classed as 64bit not because 2 32 bit chips added together were 64bit, it was because it had a 64 bit data bus
I have little to no interest in Jaguar whatsoever, but I do now since you’re covering it! Thank you for the terrific coverage, Patman.
Also, thank you for covering some of the better titles such as Pinball Dreams, most coverage of this platform focuses on the crap, which is way too easy.
Glad you're enjoying the videos!
love the atari jaguar
It had some decent games absolutely
I remember being pretty excited for the Jaguar after reading about it in EGM and other magazines. However, shortly after the Jag was released I was able to play it and Cybermorph at an independent video game shop that was open for a couple of years in the strip mall behind the Northwest Bank tower at Northpark Mall in Davenport, IA. There's a UPS Store in that location now. After playing Cybermorph I was seriously less than impressed to say the least! "Where did you learn to fly" indeed!
At home I could play a mean game of Doom and other 2.5D games on my lowly 486 PC but the "64 bit" Jaguar's pack in game looked like something that was developed for a 386 PC in 1990. Later on after Tempest 2000 was released and was getting good press I went back to that game store and tried it out. It was actually fun but was far from a system seller.
It was no doubt to hear that developers on the Jag had so many issues with the hardware. Since Atari didn't develop the console in house they couldn't do much to provide developer support beyond provide the information they got from Flare. I would bet that Flare wasn't too keen on going above and beyond to help since Atari at that point was infamous for not paying their bills on time or changing contract terms to give developers the shaft.
I know exactly which door you're talking about (the UPS store) but don't recall a videogame store being there. Since I lived in green rock Illinois at the time I didn't get the Northpark very often especially in the mid-90s. Thank you fellow Quad citizen for sharing
@@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries The store was only there from around late 93 until sometime in 96.
When the N64 was finally released in the fall of 96 my friends and I wanted to check it out in a store. We found that game store had closed. Luckily, the nearby Toys R Us that was at Brady St. & Kimberly Rd. had a N64 kiosk setup in the store. Shortly after that my friend group pooled our money together to purchase a group N64.
We had maintained a group SNES for a few years prior to that. Some of the guys had gotten tired of always having to come over to my parents house after school in order to play SNES games as I had owned one since it's initial release. So in early 94 a travelling group SNES was purchased. It, the controllers and all the games purchased for it travelled from one friend's house to another one in a big duffel bag. The group SNES & N64 were maintained until most of the friend group went off to the U of I or other colleges in the fall of 98.
After that most of the group continued to get together for LAN parties a few times a year well into the 2000s. :)
This was flares chance for 10 minutes of fame . Just it seems like they could not employ or train supporters on that money. It takes years to understand the hardware. Atari did not want to pay the devs extra for the steep learning. Atari enthusiasm. I Stil Claim that a simpler hardware would have been most effective here. Jack Tramiel being secretive here did not help . Did Motorola put an NDA on him? 3do was already out and more advanced. SH2 was out, just 32x not yet.
"Jaguar Jaguar JAAAAAAGUUUAAAAAAR!!!!!!!".
It was 64 bit, not because 32 x 2 for tomorrow and jerry but because of components in one of those chips and the data bus. The problem was hardware defects and lack of dev tools and documentation. PS was much easier to develop on.
It wasn't just the hardware, but also the lack of support from third party developers.
One of my buddies bought a Jaguar at the time and swore by it, and every-time me and another friend would come over, we would rag on it. I've been gaming since the late 70's, so I've seen the best and the worst of gaming, and while the Jaguar wasn't the worst, it was far away from being anywhere near the best. Just a really squandered opportunity, as it had some decent ideas, but beyond poor execution, and no idea what the market needed or wanted at the time(claiming 64-bits in commercials was never going to translate to actual sells). All that being said, I'll sing the praises of Tempest 2000 until my dying breath, that games is F' ing AMAZING.
Indeed, it had some really good games but there were few and far between
Great video!! Like ever..
Thanks again!
AVP was the best game from that game system. That and Iron Soldier.
I knew alien versus predator was a great game before start of the video but didn't have much experience with iron soldier. It turned out to be a rather pleasant surprise
I thought it was Tempest 2000
Splendid video. Top chap
Thanks a ton
@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries you're welcome a megaton
Well he was right about 3D graphics being the next big thing in gaming at least.
Yeah unlike NEC and their FMV. Or sharp and their 2d power house x68000
I remember getting one back when they came out. I can't believe my parents actually bought me one. I was definitely mad that I bought into the hype but there were a few cool games for it. I recently sold my inbox Jaguar and a few games a couple years ago and made some good money off of it.
Awesome, Sir!
Thank you kindly
@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries richly deserved.
My brother and I were the only ones that we knew that owned this consol when we were kids. Alien vs Predator was pretty legit for the time.
Absolutely it was stellar
For sure more of this
The Jaguar is one of those things that would have been kind of awful to own in a world of SNESes and Genesises, and later Playstations and Nintendo 64s, but makes for a fascinating topic after the fact.
I couldn't agree more
18:00 that's no rumor. That's absolutely true. Kay-Bee Toys is where I ultimately picked up my Jaguar back in the late spring of 1997 for the sum total of $50. I returned for several weeks thereafter and picked up a bunch of additional titles for right around the $5 mark until the stock was finally gone (Tempest 2000, Iron Soldier, and Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure among them). I'm not sure if the stock was completely sold out or just sent to a landfill and written off.
I can recall the virtual boy being clear and stop for 20 bucks apiece at KB but not the Jaguar. Pretty sweet deal you got
The 7800 would have been a smash hit had they released it when it was actually ready back 1986, but instead they freaking sat on a warehouse full of them for like 3 years. It demolishes early era NES games, but SMB 3? No freaking way. Harbinger of things to come for Atari.
Absolutely. Of course super Mario three utilized extra chips I believe such as the MMC
Hello, The Atari Jaguar Game Drive is available now & well worth a look.Also id love to see some more from Tom & Jerry please.
Okay, thanks
I remember being one of the first who called out the developers on the Colecovision Chameleon when i saw the board used. They virtually stole people's money. I don't know what happened to them in court, but I do remember there was a big case involving them with stealing money from the crowdfund instead of giving it all back. They failed to realize there are nerds out there who know even the boards used for consoles and arcade cabinets.
I poop you not, I was just watching the Mappy video when this popped up🤣
LOL that's great :-)
@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries you've got great timing Patman🤣
I grabbed a Jaguar on clearance for like $25 at a Kaybee Toys around 1997. I found another unit at a garage sale a few years later with the CD unit and about 25 games or so for $30. I gave the extra console and duplicate games to my brother and kept the rest. Because of that, we were able to JagLink and play Doom. It's fun, and works decently for death matches, but crashes constantly in co-op. We played a lot of Brutal Sports Football around that time, and I've always preferred its Doom and Wolfenstein, and only a Philistine could hate Tempest 2000.
Today, it's still my 10 year old son's favorite way to play NBA Jam TE together (yes, we set up a team tap to play 4 player... but never White Men Can't Jump. We tried- it was awful). I rarely play the CD games, though I do have all of the exclusives for it, and it does work still.
Fun retrospective. Thanks for not dwelling on the 64 bit or not debate- it never really mattered. When you look at what came out on SNES and Genesis in 1994, the premium stuff like the Neo Geo AES and 3DO, and the PS1 and Saturn being around the corner, it never really was going to make a difference either way.
Thanks. Pretty sweeet that you were able to obtain one at KB.
My dad bought me a Jaguar and about 16 games through the mail order system in about 1996. I liked it, and only my cousin was the other person I knew that ever had one. About 7 years later I was in college, had a dreamcast and Xbox, so I sold my Jaguar collection for next to nothing to a Slackers store...its the most ive ever felt ripped off with the prices I could get a few years later, lol. Wish I still had it.
It is always a shame to have to sell a collection so cheaply.
My spoiled friend had a Jaguar on day one. His dad came home from Babbage's after work that day, and dropped it in our laps. I helped him get it connected to the TV in place of the SNES, and we played Cybermorph all day, every day for a couple weeks. After that, we just... turned it off...
LOL
I had a Jaguar as a kid, it had some decent games on it including a great port of Doom 1 and Rayman
Yes
Jaguar is one of those fascinating failures. I’d love to hear about more games from the 90s as well as modern homebrew.
Okay thanks
I rented it once, and played a couple games for our retro section at Game Informer.
Where’s Club Drive?!
I was unfortunate to own one of these back in the day. I only bought it to play AVP which in the end turned out to be a bit meh! I sold it after a month
It always looked to the most interesting to me out of all the other software available
I had one. Owned AvP, Tempest 2000, Rayman and Syndicate. Great games, but pretty much all that was worth buying.
Those are all great picks for the Jaguar!
Hey Pat, *Where did you learn to fly?* ;P
Doom doesn't feel complete without the awesome heavy metal music score.
LOL I should have mentioned that
I didn't want to waste any money on it but thankfully I got to... ahem... "enjoy" the Jaguar back in the day thanks to a friend of mine that was some kind of contrarian that was hell bent on only supporting the underdog. He was the only person I knew with a Sega tower of power too. And a Fiat Panda. Strange guy, I loved him.
That time when Atari tried to cash in on the PlayStation and Sega Saturn. If anything, titles like Tempest 2000 and Missile Command 3D are some of the few ones worth playing.
This was actually in development a few years before those two
@ Oh, this came first?
Started out life Around 1991 or so
@ That’s definitely before the PS1 and Saturn.
@@SolCresta3405 I read that PS1 was in a long cost reduction phase. So, secret development ( a secret kept from Nintendo ) may have started quite early.
Kaybee did have consoles and games dirt cheap. I remember getting the console and several games for $100. Wish I would have never got rid of it. I gave it to a neighbor who had a little kid.
That's awesome
With the 64-Bit moniker, it was also due to the fact that it had a 64-bit data bus. It's a shame that it was so hard to develop for as many companies ended up strictly using the 68000, which was originally intended to only be used as a support chip Tom and Jerry.
And with strictly you mean AI and physics. Though I never understood how and why a game converts game objects (as in Unity3d) to display objects stripped of all information unnecessary for display. Amiga had the copper to queue a command list to the blitter. So why not use the GPU here? Perhaps the blitter is too fast ?
Honestly it seems like the Panther may have been more successful and they should have run with that while getting more of a handle on the Jaguar if they were trying to get back in to the home console market
You could be right
What does the Panther offer over genesis / SNES ? I don't see how it would attract more developers. I mean, I never understood how SuperFx could get successful, while PCs and Mac could play those kind of games even before and better. So there was a novelty market for 3d.
@ArneChristianRosenfeldt easier to program for than the Jaguar would probably be the biggest selling point . It sounds like it would have been a hell of a pixel based system,at a solid price point. The Jaguar just wasn't really ready and it showed.
@ the 2d part of Jaguar is the Panther. It is colorful, but only can do a few sprites. It is so bad that I wonder if Tramiel did not want to pay Texas Instruments for patents? JRISC should manage the sprites using its scratchpad. Then the software devs would violate any patents. Never heard that C64 games were sued for sprite multiplexing . The complicated stuff is already on Panther: you need a special converter for the color format. Also: no translucency like the fog on genesis. Not compatible like the NeoGeo.
I remember thinking wow this thing's got 64 bits and then I saw games and thought "this is not 4x better than SNES!
LOL no doubt
The Kay*Bee Toys at my mall was getting rid of the consoles for $35. My dad (also a gamer to this day), and I really thought about buying one just for the hell of it, and didn't! I wish he had! I also wish I had a time machine! I would have cleaned up!
I had a good job and a lot of free time during this era...That did not go well for me. I owned a 3DO, Jaguar, 32X and CDI in what is, at-best, the most awkward console era. I appreciated the Saturn and PlayStation (which I also owned) so much more because of the others, BUT overall, Outside of 10-12 games maybe I would revisit, This whole era should R.I.P. #NEVERGETTINGTHATMONEYBACK having said that, the Jag has some genuine great games. I still play the Jag version of Doom and Tempest. (In case you were wondering, I skipped the N64 because of all that Failing I did with these consoles) ((cue debbie downer music))
Fascinating!
Thanks
I think most consoles come down to the games, are there enough third party developers making games for your system? The Master system is a good example, it's superior to the NES , but it didn't have Konami, Capcom, sunsoft and others pumping out dozens of games a year. Thanks for the video Patman!
Master System is like Jaguar: a Little More colors, but nothing which would make porting arcade titles easier . PcEngine at least increased the sprites per line limit to 16 .
The Jag was a monster of a machine!! Im still wanting to get one, but ppl want a arm and a leg for one
Yes they do
Jack Tramiel only purchased the home console and computer division of Atari. As a result, the arcade division created Tengen to publish games for the home market for trademark reasons.
I like the Jaguar, but it really didn't have much third-party support. The 2D games it did get looked great (usually), reminding me of the Amiga. If it did get the third-party support, it really could've competed against the Genesis, SNES, and TurboGrafx (possibly also the 3DO). The 3D games usually weren't that great, though, so it could only really hold its ground against the 32X as the PlayStation, Saturn, and Nintendo 64 blow it out of the water.
I couldn't agree more.
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Okay thanks
Hey everyone, can someone tell me the best way to find & play the old Atari 2600 & 80s arcade games? I use my son's Nintendo switch and there are several available in there but not all of them. The Atari Flashback classics is very disappointing.
Imagine releasing a CD add on for a console that already did not sell too well. Who should buy it? And who should develop games for a peripheral that nobody owns? Who approved the design for this controller? Also the false advertisement with the 64 bit.. when there still were some loyal Atari Fans, after Jaguar there likely were none left...
Still interested in checking out the library one day for obscurity
The drive was in development even before the system came out so they decided to go ahead and release it hoping it would garner some interest.
My main takeaway from this is I'm sad we never got the Panther and wonder how that could have turned out. Probably not well, but.....its hard to be worse than the Jaguar unless you're a CDI.
The Panther has nothing over SNES. Raiden was written for Panther. The SNES version is better. SNES has a top notch audio chip from Sony. I don’t see how Panther can make a difference. Ensoniq seem to be stuck in the past.
Typically with a console game, you’re supposed to pick it up, turn it on, and be able to at least get started on the game quickly learning the objectives. Operating the controller shouldn’t rely on looking at it and using a cardboard overlay to play games like Doom. The 3 button configuration was a leap backwards into 1989 with the Sega Mega Drive. Atari had no mascot. The 2600 unofficial mascot could’ve been pac man. Releasing the pro controller should’ve been packed in from day one. Then the whole console gets confusing when there’s a CD add on . The messaging would’ve been very confusing to parents. Nintendos 8- bit success came from its relaunch into the US market as a toy packed in with Duck hunt, light gun and the robot. Simply paying extra doesn’t add up to consumers when they need an explanation how to even begin playing a game.
18:10 I remember seeing KB toys filled with jaguar stuff real cheap. I was too young to care and just laughed at it
Excellent, thanks for the clarification
pat glad to see you doing better...i recall jaguar being involved in lawsuit over if it was truly a 64 machine and its marketing...dont recall much about it.
Thanks. Never came across anything about a 64-bit lawsuit only the one where Atari sued Sega. They had similar settlements with Nintendo as well but that was much earlier
@@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries i think but it had been awhile it was over false advetising jaguar had only 32 bit chips thats 2 chips not one so advertisers added 32 and 32 and got 64...that is all i can recall i never followed atari after original guys left. and another group left to make their own company...it had been almost 40 years...
I will say this for the Jaguar; the commercials were interesting.
I wanted one of these SO BAD when it came out, just for AVP. Fast forward several years and i got one used from some indie game shop and HOO BOY did i hate it. It didnt help that the only game they had was some shitty fighting game, so that probably didnt help.
Was it Fight 4 Life? I heard that was terrible.
There were a few that were bad absolutely
Yes, it is horrible
The game that should have been ported to the Jaguar was Pit Fighter; it would have been a good port for the Jaguar.
I agree, I think they were not looking to the past as much and wanted something new and exciting which was 3D
Supercross, for all its faults is quite a fun game to play!
Sorry to say I didn't have any fun while playing it :-)
Philips cdi video soon please
21:51 sold 250k copies?? Didn’t they sell 150k systems??
I read three different accounts of how many units of avp were sold and actually had 75,000 initially. I read a different report that said it was 250,000 so I changed it. Thanks for the clarification
A young Toby Maguire playing the Lynx.
LOL yes I had to include it
@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries My man. 🙏🏽💪🏾
I still have mine!
LOL excellent
RAIDEN using only the left 75% of the screen was to keep it in the original vertical TATE mode.
Yes, it does make it more arcade accurate but everything feels cramped
When I pressed the Like button, UA-cam did the math.
A console that, let's not forget, was 32 bits. You don't get 64 bits by adding 2 CPUs together. If so, I can't even fathom how many bits a modern cpu with 20 cores would have.