Earnest is the best salesman for the DA/SA I’ve ever come across. I actually despised the concept until spending time with him and you Chris via the avenue of video communication. I now own 4 PX4s in 2 calibers and really like them!
Paul Harrell’s “shaboom” technique really helped me. The trigger pull should last as long as saying the phrase would take. He discussed it in his Beretta accuracy video. One smooth motion with no snap at the end, which usually flicks the front sight to the right when snapped.
Dry practice is the key. I plateaued in skill until I started to dry practice with my handgun. It has taught me trigger control, trigger dinger placement, grip control, forearm tension, all of it for just the cost of snap caps. Best $15 I ever spent.
viewatyourownrisk very true I used snap caps and dry firing at the range and that helped me a lot with my DA/SA pistol. I also worked on correct grip and I can now shoot confidently at 10-20 yards
I fired only revolvers from 1989 up to 2022, when I moved to a 9 mm pistol. I just hated the double action from my Taurus PT92 when I got it. Two years later, sometimes I think about to deactivate its sear to use it as a DA only gun. For my surprise, I can make a single round large hole with it at seven meters pulling the trigger as fast as I can as soon as I have the sights on. Maybe the gun isn't all that bad or maybe many years pulling heavy long triggers and A LOT of dry firing. I don't use snap caps, sorry.
This is awesome info. So many people try to be in the mindset of "this is how you have to do it" and don't think about what is best for their build or weapon.
I was fortunate to be able to spend a couple days training with Ernest back in January. It was the best training I've ever received, and I chose that course specifically because I wanted a trainer who really knew the DA/SA platform and not someone who just had the attitude of, "you should ditch that thing and get a Glock." There are plenty of good shooters, but as we all know, being a good shooter doesn't make someone a good teacher. Coming from an educational background myself, it was very clear to me that Ernest has put a lot of time and effort not just into shooting, but into teaching techniques as well. If you have an opportunity to train with LTT, I would say don't hesitate.
Best gun decision I've made was to get a CZ 75 SP-01 after having my Glock for years. I now carry the Springfield XD-E more than any of my other pistols because of the DA/SA action and I don't see myself going back to striker fired platforms.
I'm new to shooting a Beretta and now I have 7 of his video's in a playlist to help me improve with the Da/Sa. The new LTT opt trigger bar has really helped alot.
kevcom82 yea I didn’t like my da trigger in the cz, it was gritty and hungup so I cleaned it and cycled a few times and now it’s smooth and I can accurately use da really well. Love my cz
I've been wondering when we would get this video since I saw your pic with Langdon on Insta. Thanks for putting so much effort into the DA topic. I refuse to let Da/Sa die.
"I refuse to let Da/Sa die. " That's good, because we should definitely want to see less people die from accidentally shooting themselves because they wanted to be appendix-carrying striker-fired hipsters with the latest "tacticool" 2 lb. triggers.
My first and only pistol is a Sig p250c 9mm. I bought it and started learning how to shoot less then a year ago on my own in the country. I cannot tell you how frustrating it was. Either I was anticipating where the bullet would end up or the BANG was hard to get used to and my grip was awful. Once I finally learned the very basic fundamentals of proper grip, everything else started to fall into place. I’m not saying I’m a great shot by ANY means but I totally feel like from that specific point, everything is uphill from there. What helped me was to not overthink anything and that helps create a sense of being comfortable and that lets yourself be natural. I like my super heavy trigger with a 2 mile pull. I doubt I’ll ever be able to go with anything but a duty/self defense style trigger. My p250c configuration is perfect for a new shooter/CCW holder. It’s simple and rock solid functionality helped me understand how pistols operate. I carry my p250c daily and I’ll stake my life that this pistol will shoot when I need it to.
I've found during dry fire with J, K, and N frame revolvers that the trigger seems to have a preferred speed at which it is pulled to give a smoother and lighter feel to the trigger finger. Once you find that pace, the front sight moves a lot less. I'm not the greatest shooter on the Internets so take it for what it's worth.
I really enjoyed your video. You have talked about the use of the double action/single action in past work and your research into the subject is excellent. This year I got a chance to take Langdon Tactical‘s Advanced Pistol class and it was a treat to learn from someone with the experience and accomplishments that Ernest has. This coupled with his humble approach made for one of the best classes I’ve taken. He, like you, is a humble professional and represent the handgun sports in a positive light. Please keep up the great work. Thanks again.
This video is quite timely because it reminded me of that dry fire practice. My wife asks me from time to time what the click is she hears from my office. It's me dry firing my P-229. Ernest was right. After being forced to carry a Glock for years while on the job, I had to remember to place more finger on the trigger when I retired and by choice started carrying my 229.
Great video! Im no pro shooter, but in the half dozen years I have been into shooting I have preferred revolvers. My first gun was an old taurus 82 south American police trade in. I could not hit a damn thing with that pistol! Since then, I traded it in for something different thinking the firearm was my reason for incompetence at shooting. I sold that one too and committed to learning to shoot a revolver. Now I have a few revolvers and a couple DA/SA autos and have been carrying concealed for about a year now, so my experience is limited. I have found using certain tips from certain videos that helped me a lot before I watched this one. I cant remember the specific video or trainer, but he had said to try and release the double action trigger at the rate which you pull it in one fluid motion. Trying this took a couple boxes of ammo, but once I got the hang of it with my ol’ gp100, I started to make some sloppy groups on paper. I think this is about the same thing as keeping the trigger rolling, just a slightly different way to think about what your fingers are doing. Basically you need to move it steadily to the rear and steadily to the front to shoot accurately with accurate follow up shots. I also found with double action, grip and technique is more important than sight picture at practical ranges. The heavier trigger pulls command a very firm and positive grip on the pistol. If your are firmly and positively gripping the gun incorrectly you can be positive that you will miss. If you focus on always gripping the gun in the way you have practiced, high up on the grip, forearm directly behind the barrel, the trigger pull will command your muscle memory to point that barrel where it needs to be(close enough anyways). Semi autos have a little more forgiveness, and so does a revolver in single action IMO. I like how you mentioned to maybe try putting your finger in a different spot on the trigger. I have found with double action, I let my finger slide ever so slightly across the trigger as i pull. Maybe a quarter of an inch of movement. I would not take this as advice but it seems to work for me. All my guns have smooth rounded triggers, except my charter arms bulldog. The bulldog has a textured grooved trigger and I definitely shoot the worst groups with it. Could be many factors, but I think it does not allow my finger to slide from tip to knuckle as smooth as all my other pistols. I feel this trigger technique of allowing the finger to slide on the trigger, helped my DA/SA auto skill to develop too. (Let me know if this is bad technique!!!!) For me accurate single action pistol shooting requires a very slight bit of relaxation on grip to let the firearm just surprise me a little bit when it goes off. Doing this on most single action autos seems to reset the trigger without thinking about it, as long as you are not focused on holding the trigger to the rear(which if you practice double action you would never do!)
Fantastic video! I've always preferred DA/SA though mastering the double action is tough. having large hands, I tend to do the first knuckle joint through and roll the trigger. It really works well as you get better leverage. Having it explained as constant motion of the hammer compressed by time also explains it incredibly well. Thanks!
Maybe it works well with your gun, but it won't work with mine. If I get to the first joint the tip of my finger hits the frame just before the hammer releases and I can't squeeze the trigger any farther to the rear. Also, you're technically losing leverage as the second joint is your fulcrum and moving the load closer to the fulcrum increases the amount of force needed to move it through the same distance.
I think Jeff Cooper was right. What throws many people off is the transition from DA to SA. When you practice with revolvers in DA, or with striker-fired guns like Glock, or with SA-only guns, like 1911, this problem does not manifest itself because they are consistent.
Great advice. Learning to become proficient on a DA revolver should provide the skills needed on a DA/SA pistol. I just watched a review where the reviewer complained of finger discomfort on the DA pull of 10 lbs. He was using the tip of his finger and complained he had to use the pad of his finger.
I've just never been able to get into striker fired guns or 1911s and always find my self going back to DA/SA. Thanks for the video, I hope more people try out something new because of it.
The thing I like about da is it forces you to hold a steady sight picture for longer, which helps you be a better shooter overall. I do stage my triggers for accuracy but I can speed that up to combat shooting speed and do so pretty consistently. That half second pause also serves as an additional opportunity to evaluate the target and backstop.
DA/SA life! Just put together a PX4 Full Size Inox that will be going into LTT for a trigger job as my comp gun. Will be picking up an Elite 92 later this year to compare but either way, its LTT, Beretta, and DA/SA all the way.
I'm a 23 year old who really wants revolvers and "old" guns to be relevant. Channels like this that don't just dismiss them as relics of a bygone era make me happy.
This is just my opinion, but I think if revolver companies were more competitive price-wise you may see a surge in revolver sales, but when you have a companies like Glock selling autos on the cheap revolvers become sort of a nichè market for collectors. Plus everyone thinks the zombie apocalypse could happen any day now.
You don’t have to buy a gun because it’s the most relevant modern tool out there. Just buy it because you like it. Honestly you only need 1 good modern semiautomatic to have and then buy what you want. The reality is a 5shot J-Frame will be more then enough for 95% of situations you may encounter.
My first CCW was a Smith and Wesson 357 snub nose still carry it from time to time and still probably one my favorite after getting glocks fn and shild nothing like a revolver
Nobody by far one of my favorite guns to shoot is my smith model 65 3”. I love it and it’s a dream to shoot. A very relevant Cary revolver on par with most single stack 9’s is the Kimber K6s. I own one and love it and honestly you lose almost nothing to a glock 43. I Cary it frequently and if not for my Sig p365 it would be my most carried gun.
@@wizardofahhhs759 Completely agree. Taurus, for example, has an enormous revolver lineup. I'm sure they sell tons of them, otherwise, why do they have so many models? A large part of that has to be Taurus's consistently low prices.
Growing up I was taught to shoot with double action revolvers. When I got my permit, I naturally got a glock for my ccw. The whole time I was always more confident with shooting my S&W 19 2.5” so I carried that more often. Through a lot of reading, I decided to trade my Glock for a HK p30 and man I never looked back! The DA first pull gave me the feel and confidence like I was shooting my S&W and then the nice SA trigger after was just a dream.
Roll through is a very good way to describe the best way for that first DA pull. It’s not that hard. It just takes repetition/practice. And I think another good thing to remind people is that there’s a million UA-cam “experts” and the more you watch the more you’re gonna have in your head. So watch only quality instruction and DON’T OVERTHINK IT! Happy shootin peeps 👍🇺🇸
Being a DA/SA guy, I have always found that if you DO have a “really difficult shot,” at a challenging long distance, and you have or are afforded time enough to stage the trigger- then you most likely have time enough to manually cock the hammer and go SA. Really, the advice talked about here is fairly sound, in the context of “you are under pressure to quickly and accurately get off that first DA shot.” 🤔
When I was new to shooting, I had a cop teach me a trick to manage flinch. He told me to balance a coin of a shell casing at the end of my pistol and pull the trigger without letting the object fall off the end of my gun. I find that trick, or at least envisioning it, as I pull a DA trigger to be very effective at teaching me how to pull a DA trigger. Be it on my DAK P226 or any of my revolvers, it's helped me get better at managing that DA trigger pull.
My department issues the DAO Beretta 92D. I love it, but I have large hands, strong fingers, and excellent fundamentals. It's problematic for some of my fellow officers, though: generally not small hand friendly, and requires practice outside of quals (most LE aren't "gun guys.") I love it and wouldn't trade it for anything, though I wish the trigger pull was a bit shorter...
You guys missed one critical issue that I was hoping would be touched on; the transition from DA to SA. Personally and from what I've seen, most tend to throw the first SA shot after the DA pull. Any tips on improving that?
I learned on a double action trigger and never understood the complaints I would read on certain guns. LC9 was my first firearm and I love it to death. Apparently it's rated poorly for the trigger. Makes me wonder if I would like the original LCP.
With my m9 and medium small hands on DA to get a stable sight picture I have to mess up my grip to get enough finger on the trigger. Should I be changing my grip or trying to learn to smoothly pull the trigger with the tip of my finger? Love this segment.
^Thats a good idea. I’d also just suggest working in your hand strength. You shouldn’t have to adjust your grip to have the strength to pull the trigger in double action. Strengthen your grip and hands so you become strong enough to pull the trigger without adjusting grip. It is possible.
During my last time at the range with a rented 686 in .357 mag, I had troubles to even hit the target at 25m in DA. I had something like 3/5 hits. This vid will help me a lot, as I either hammered or staged the trigger. Now that I know the right way, it should go better next time. Handgun shooting is hard for me, being really more into rifles. Guess it'll come with time... Still have to do some paperwork to be able to get my 1rst handgun, everything's kinda slow here in France.
I just want to point out, out of 5 shots, if you're hitting 3 you are hitting greater than 50% of shots. Statistically that's quite good. Considering data on LEO's tends to be they hit about 20% of shots.
@@Predalien195 And I guess that at SD ranges, between 5 and 15 yards, every round would be on target. But it's still possible to do better, way better :)
25 yards with double action is challenging. Try shooting 1-inch and 2-inch circles at 3 to 7 yards. That is also difficult, but it's all about trigger control. Out to 25, your ammo selection and sight adjustment become big factors and it's tough to diagnose issues if you're dealing with that *and* trigger control.
@@LuckyGunner Thanks for your answer, but this kind of training will be impossible to make in most french shooting ranges, including the ones of my area. Shooting with handguns at 25 yards is seen as a sport, while shooting at 3 to 7 yards is seen as defense... and we can't own or shoot guns for defensive purposes. So shooting that close is forbidden by the ranges. I'm still going to be on the lookout for ranges that could maybe allow me to do that... and in the mean time I'll continue to train at 25 yards. Enjoy your freedoms while you still can. Have a nice day.
The double action semi autos tend to have better double action than a double action revolver but the single action on revolvers are better I think.. if you can get good with a double action on a revolver you should be able to shoot a Beretta 92 CZ 75 or other similar guns even better
Best gun to have in the house that my wife can use for protection with minimal training? She has taken firearm courses with me and shot before but isn’t interested in spending hours at the range learning DA/SA triggers.
woolengrappler I taught my wife how to shoot my beretta 92 compact with perfect accuracy out to 7 yards in only about 4 hours of range time. She’s never shot gun before. Let alone a DA/SA trigger. You have to spend hours learning any weapon if the life of your loved ones is at stake. If you’re that worried about a learning curve, just buy a Glock and be done with it.
Ps, I’m for a 22lr for a women. When considering most women shooting, less recoil equals more shots on target. People will say it won’t hurt someone, but that’s why you teach her to aim and hit the face and throat. It’s all about shot placement.
Lucky gunner, do you have any experience with the bersa thunder pro 9mm? I'm considering getting that or the beretta storm compact but i can't decide which one i want
I usually carry different things depending on what I'm evaluating or experimenting with for future videos. But there is a PX4 Compact Carry in the Fort Knox pistol box next to my bed right now.
I have medium size hands and have a CZ 75 which I love and feels great. But when I get high on it with proper grip I can only get my finger tip on the trigger. Is this correct? I don't feel like I had this problem with my M&P.
I wish there were better single-stack DA/SA options out there. I don’t want to carry cocked and locked, so that rules out 1911-pattern guns like the 911, the 238/938 series, etc. Pretty much just leaves the XDe, which is too large.
Earnest is the best salesman for the DA/SA I’ve ever come across. I actually despised the concept until spending time with him and you Chris via the avenue of video communication. I now own 4 PX4s in 2 calibers and really like them!
Paul Harrell’s “shaboom” technique really helped me. The trigger pull should last as long as saying the phrase would take. He discussed it in his Beretta accuracy video. One smooth motion with no snap at the end, which usually flicks the front sight to the right when snapped.
Music for my ears!
Yeah me too when I try to take my time pulling double action I'll pull low from flinching because I think it's going to go off way before it does
Dry practice is the key. I plateaued in skill until I started to dry practice with my handgun. It has taught me trigger control, trigger dinger placement, grip control, forearm tension, all of it for just the cost of snap caps. Best $15 I ever spent.
viewatyourownrisk very true I used snap caps and dry firing at the range and that helped me a lot with my DA/SA pistol. I also worked on correct grip and I can now shoot confidently at 10-20 yards
I fired only revolvers from 1989 up to 2022, when I moved to a 9 mm pistol. I just hated the double action from my Taurus PT92 when I got it. Two years later, sometimes I think about to deactivate its sear to use it as a DA only gun. For my surprise, I can make a single round large hole with it at seven meters pulling the trigger as fast as I can as soon as I have the sights on. Maybe the gun isn't all that bad or maybe many years pulling heavy long triggers and A LOT of dry firing.
I don't use snap caps, sorry.
This is awesome info. So many people try to be in the mindset of "this is how you have to do it" and don't think about what is best for their build or weapon.
sixstringslaya as I always say the right tool for the right job .
I was fortunate to be able to spend a couple days training with Ernest back in January. It was the best training I've ever received, and I chose that course specifically because I wanted a trainer who really knew the DA/SA platform and not someone who just had the attitude of, "you should ditch that thing and get a Glock." There are plenty of good shooters, but as we all know, being a good shooter doesn't make someone a good teacher. Coming from an educational background myself, it was very clear to me that Ernest has put a lot of time and effort not just into shooting, but into teaching techniques as well. If you have an opportunity to train with LTT, I would say don't hesitate.
Oh man. Ernest Langdon talking DA/SA on a Lucky Gunner video. It doesn't get better than this. #PizzaGunzRLyfe
Best gun decision I've made was to get a CZ 75 SP-01 after having my Glock for years. I now carry the Springfield XD-E more than any of my other pistols because of the DA/SA action and I don't see myself going back to striker fired platforms.
I'm new to shooting a Beretta and now I have 7 of his video's in a playlist to help me improve with the Da/Sa. The new LTT opt trigger bar has really helped alot.
I was literally putting my iPad away when I say the notification for s lucky gunner video now I guess I’ll be a little late.
Punctuality is overrated.
And the trigger sings “Stoke me, stroke me!”
Thanks for this video. Love the SA/DA. Mostly CZs. I will be practicing this.
kevcom82 yea I didn’t like my da trigger in the cz, it was gritty and hungup so I cleaned it and cycled a few times and now it’s smooth and I can accurately use da really well. Love my cz
DA/SA masterrace. Hammer fired guns are where it's at.
Mustard race
@TheyCallMeCorona I was lucky enough to buy a SW3953 new years ago. Sweet DAO trigger. Definitely a keeper!
TheyCallMeCorona I carry a 39-2 when I feel I might need more firepower. I usually just stick to one of my 5 shot revolvers tho.
I see notification for new Lucky Gunner video.
I see Double Action on the title.
I immediately press left mouse button with an 8# pull.
I've been wondering when we would get this video since I saw your pic with Langdon on Insta. Thanks for putting so much effort into the DA topic. I refuse to let Da/Sa die.
Same here especially in the 92 series but my family says I'm a knuckle dragger stuck in the stone age... what a bunch of a-holes!
"I refuse to let Da/Sa die.
" That's good, because we should definitely want to see less people die from accidentally shooting themselves because they wanted to be appendix-carrying striker-fired hipsters with the latest "tacticool" 2 lb. triggers.
Awesome, I'm a Beretta PX4cc guy and Ernest and his work are the stuff of legend!
My first and only pistol is a Sig p250c 9mm. I bought it and started learning how to shoot less then a year ago on my own in the country. I cannot tell you how frustrating it was. Either I was anticipating where the bullet would end up or the BANG was hard to get used to and my grip was awful. Once I finally learned the very basic fundamentals of proper grip, everything else started to fall into place. I’m not saying I’m a great shot by ANY means but I totally feel like from that specific point, everything is uphill from there. What helped me was to not overthink anything and that helps create a sense of being comfortable and that lets yourself be natural. I like my super heavy trigger with a 2 mile pull. I doubt I’ll ever be able to go with anything but a duty/self defense style trigger. My p250c configuration is perfect for a new shooter/CCW holder. It’s simple and rock solid functionality helped me understand how pistols operate. I carry my p250c daily and I’ll stake my life that this pistol will shoot when I need it to.
Thanks for getting this material/ info together for all of us free of charge. Can’t wait to get out again and practice!
Great point that a lot of people don't think about. If you can shoot double action pretty good, you'll be amazing with anything else.
Applied these tips and improved my shooting DA/SA immediately. Thank you !
I've found during dry fire with J, K, and N frame revolvers that the trigger seems to have a preferred speed at which it is pulled to give a smoother and lighter feel to the trigger finger. Once you find that pace, the front sight moves a lot less. I'm not the greatest shooter on the Internets so take it for what it's worth.
To quote Paul Harrell on the subject: shaboom. Shaboom. Shaboom
Tadicuslegion78 if it was 1961 that might be a hit song
Tadicuslegion78 literally thought, Paul Harrell already said this
Oh YEAH!!! One of my favorite presentations. Sha-BOOM!
I posted this same thing. That tip made me almost perfect with the DA of the beretta.
Which video is that from? I was trying to find it.
I really enjoyed your video. You have talked about the use of the double action/single action in past work and your research into the subject is excellent. This year I got a chance to take Langdon Tactical‘s Advanced Pistol class and it was a treat to learn from someone with the experience and accomplishments that Ernest has. This coupled with his humble approach made for one of the best classes I’ve taken. He, like you, is a humble professional and represent the handgun sports in a positive light. Please keep up the great work. Thanks again.
That Sinn U1 is a fantastic watch. Between that and the LTT elite 92, Ernest Langdon may just be my spirit animal.
Haha, yeah noticed that immediately too. Gotta be a watch guy. You don't just accidentally end up with a Sinn.
@@JCW80 Absolutely, that's one if the toughest watches I know of and on a NATO is just perfect.
Came down here just to see if anybody else was a watch nerd and gun nerd. U1 looks great on him.
This video is quite timely because it reminded me of that dry fire practice. My wife asks me from time to time what the click is she hears from my office. It's me dry firing my P-229. Ernest was right. After being forced to carry a Glock for years while on the job, I had to remember to place more finger on the trigger when I retired and by choice started carrying my 229.
The DA/SA trigger pull is becoming a lost art form.
Tell that to the #czmasterrace
I just got my first ccw not long ago and its a czp01 (real good deal) and I learned keeping it half cocked gives me the best of both worlds.
Thank you very much to both of you. Not a simple lesson: it was truly a “lectio magistralis”: congrats! (From Venice, Italy).
Great video! Im no pro shooter, but in the half dozen years I have been into shooting I have preferred revolvers. My first gun was an old taurus 82 south American police trade in. I could not hit a damn thing with that pistol!
Since then, I traded it in for something different thinking the firearm was my reason for incompetence at shooting. I sold that one too and committed to learning to shoot a revolver. Now I have a few revolvers and a couple DA/SA autos and have been carrying concealed for about a year now, so my experience is limited.
I have found using certain tips from certain videos that helped me a lot before I watched this one. I cant remember the specific video or trainer, but he had said to try and release the double action trigger at the rate which you pull it in one fluid motion. Trying this took a couple boxes of ammo, but once I got the hang of it with my ol’ gp100, I started to make some sloppy groups on paper. I think this is about the same thing as keeping the trigger rolling, just a slightly different way to think about what your fingers are doing. Basically you need to move it steadily to the rear and steadily to the front to shoot accurately with accurate follow up shots.
I also found with double action, grip and technique is more important than sight picture at practical ranges. The heavier trigger pulls command a very firm and positive grip on the pistol. If your are firmly and positively gripping the gun incorrectly you can be positive that you will miss. If you focus on always gripping the gun in the way you have practiced, high up on the grip, forearm directly behind the barrel, the trigger pull will command your muscle memory to point that barrel where it needs to be(close enough anyways). Semi autos have a little more forgiveness, and so does a revolver in single action IMO.
I like how you mentioned to maybe try putting your finger in a different spot on the trigger. I have found with double action, I let my finger slide ever so slightly across the trigger as i pull. Maybe a quarter of an inch of movement. I would not take this as advice but it seems to work for me. All my guns have smooth rounded triggers, except my charter arms bulldog. The bulldog has a textured grooved trigger and I definitely shoot the worst groups with it. Could be many factors, but I think it does not allow my finger to slide from tip to knuckle as smooth as all my other pistols.
I feel this trigger technique of allowing the finger to slide on the trigger, helped my DA/SA auto skill to develop too. (Let me know if this is bad technique!!!!) For me accurate single action pistol shooting requires a very slight bit of relaxation on grip to let the firearm just surprise me a little bit when it goes off. Doing this on most single action autos seems to reset the trigger without thinking about it, as long as you are not focused on holding the trigger to the rear(which if you practice double action you would never do!)
Awesome, been waiting for this collaboration to happen!
Fantastic video! I've always preferred DA/SA though mastering the double action is tough. having large hands, I tend to do the first knuckle joint through and roll the trigger. It really works well as you get better leverage. Having it explained as constant motion of the hammer compressed by time also explains it incredibly well. Thanks!
Maybe it works well with your gun, but it won't work with mine. If I get to the first joint the tip of my finger hits the frame just before the hammer releases and I can't squeeze the trigger any farther to the rear. Also, you're technically losing leverage as the second joint is your fulcrum and moving the load closer to the fulcrum increases the amount of force needed to move it through the same distance.
Best DA trigger definition I've heard so far!
I think Jeff Cooper was right. What throws many people off is the transition from DA to SA. When you practice with revolvers in DA, or with striker-fired guns like Glock, or with SA-only guns, like 1911, this problem does not manifest itself because they are consistent.
Great advice. Learning to become proficient on a DA revolver should provide the skills needed on a DA/SA pistol. I just watched a review where the reviewer complained of finger discomfort on the DA pull of 10 lbs. He was using the tip of his finger and complained he had to use the pad of his finger.
I've just never been able to get into striker fired guns or 1911s and always find my self going back to DA/SA. Thanks for the video, I hope more people try out something new because of it.
The thing I like about da is it forces you to hold a steady sight picture for longer, which helps you be a better shooter overall. I do stage my triggers for accuracy but I can speed that up to combat shooting speed and do so pretty consistently. That half second pause also serves as an additional opportunity to evaluate the target and backstop.
Very comprehensive follow up w/ recent series, also so many new ccw folks that never ran revolvers. Thanks for all the great information!!👍🏼
DA/SA life! Just put together a PX4 Full Size Inox that will be going into LTT for a trigger job as my comp gun. Will be picking up an Elite 92 later this year to compare but either way, its LTT, Beretta, and DA/SA all the way.
I'm a 23 year old who really wants revolvers and "old" guns to be relevant. Channels like this that don't just dismiss them as relics of a bygone era make me happy.
This is just my opinion, but I think if revolver companies were more competitive price-wise you may see a surge in revolver sales, but when you have a companies like Glock selling autos on the cheap revolvers become sort of a nichè market for collectors. Plus everyone thinks the zombie apocalypse could happen any day now.
You don’t have to buy a gun because it’s the most relevant modern tool out there. Just buy it because you like it. Honestly you only need 1 good modern semiautomatic to have and then buy what you want. The reality is a 5shot J-Frame will be more then enough for 95% of situations you may encounter.
My first CCW was a Smith and Wesson 357 snub nose still carry it from time to time and still probably one my favorite after getting glocks fn and shild nothing like a revolver
Nobody by far one of my favorite guns to shoot is my smith model 65 3”. I love it and it’s a dream to shoot. A very relevant Cary revolver on par with most single stack 9’s is the Kimber K6s. I own one and love it and honestly you lose almost nothing to a glock 43. I Cary it frequently and if not for my Sig p365 it would be my most carried gun.
@@wizardofahhhs759 Completely agree. Taurus, for example, has an enormous revolver lineup. I'm sure they sell tons of them, otherwise, why do they have so many models? A large part of that has to be Taurus's consistently low prices.
Growing up I was taught to shoot with double action revolvers. When I got my permit, I naturally got a glock for my ccw. The whole time I was always more confident with shooting my S&W 19 2.5” so I carried that more often. Through a lot of reading, I decided to trade my Glock for a HK p30 and man I never looked back! The DA first pull gave me the feel and confidence like I was shooting my S&W and then the nice SA trigger after was just a dream.
Great video! Damn I need that LTT Elite 92! Definitely high on my list.
Thank you Been practising my double action lately Help full advice 👍🥇
Outstanding video! I'm actually getting ready to order an LTT Elite from Langdon.
Awesome. They are fantastic pistols.
Mine has convinced me DA/SA is not dead...buy direct from Langdon and get the trigger job. Well worth it!
Hey Claymore, may I ask the reason you chose the Langdon over the Beretta M9A3?
@@justinrosas7120 I prefer the details of the LTT from what I see on paper. I think the M9A3 looks amazing as well.
Roll through is a very good way to describe the best way for that first DA pull. It’s not that hard. It just takes repetition/practice. And I think another good thing to remind people is that there’s a million UA-cam “experts” and the more you watch the more you’re gonna have in your head. So watch only quality instruction and DON’T OVERTHINK IT! Happy shootin peeps 👍🇺🇸
Appreciate this great video. Tremendous instruction
Love SIG DA/SA .. no problem with the DA at all ! Thanks ! !
Being a DA/SA guy, I have always found that if you DO have a “really difficult shot,” at a challenging long distance, and you have or are afforded time enough to stage the trigger- then you most likely have time enough to manually cock the hammer and go SA. Really, the advice talked about here is fairly sound, in the context of “you are under pressure to quickly and accurately get off that first DA shot.” 🤔
SO very helpful! Thank you!
I grew up shooting DA/SA so I have always loved them.
I pretty much love all guns but DA/SA is what I have the most of.
More awesome coaching. Cheers, bros!
When I was new to shooting, I had a cop teach me a trick to manage flinch. He told me to balance a coin of a shell casing at the end of my pistol and pull the trigger without letting the object fall off the end of my gun. I find that trick, or at least envisioning it, as I pull a DA trigger to be very effective at teaching me how to pull a DA trigger. Be it on my DAK P226 or any of my revolvers, it's helped me get better at managing that DA trigger pull.
I was literally just watching a ton of videos of Ernest. I am also considering getting some parts for my M9 from him.
Thank you for this!
Excellent info in this video.
Some great information there, thanks for sharing.
I hope to be able to "invest" in a 92 LTT at some point.
Be safe!
Randy
Great video! Thanks for the effort.
Great video, even greater instructor!!
Great instruction. Thanks for sharing.
Nice video, great channel ... greetings from Serbia
Thank you! That was excellent.
My department issues the DAO Beretta 92D. I love it, but I have large hands, strong fingers, and excellent fundamentals. It's problematic for some of my fellow officers, though: generally not small hand friendly, and requires practice outside of quals (most LE aren't "gun guys.")
I love it and wouldn't trade it for anything, though I wish the trigger pull was a bit shorter...
I would love to pick up a 92D to play with sometime.
@@LuckyGunner it's great. Something you might appreciate: SLMPD has a special run 92D that has a shorter 6# trigger....
You guys missed one critical issue that I was hoping would be touched on; the transition from DA to SA. Personally and from what I've seen, most tend to throw the first SA shot after the DA pull. Any tips on improving that?
Different issue entirely. Ernest has some videos on it, I believe.
I learned on a double action trigger and never understood the complaints I would read on certain guns. LC9 was my first firearm and I love it to death. Apparently it's rated poorly for the trigger. Makes me wonder if I would like the original LCP.
HK's LEM reigns supreme. Kneel before it.
With my m9 and medium small hands on DA to get a stable sight picture I have to mess up my grip to get enough finger on the trigger. Should I be changing my grip or trying to learn to smoothly pull the trigger with the tip of my finger? Love this segment.
Short reach trigger and WC ultra thin grips helped me. Makes it the same reach as my vertec(M9A3).
^Thats a good idea.
I’d also just suggest working in your hand strength. You shouldn’t have to adjust your grip to have the strength to pull the trigger in double action.
Strengthen your grip and hands so you become strong enough to pull the trigger without adjusting grip.
It is possible.
Excellent advice!!! Thanks!!!
Nicely done.
A revolver OR a true double-action pistol is very helpful, since you don't have to interrupt your practice after every snap to decock the gun.
Damn it man I so badly want one of those Elite LTTs, been saving for awhile
Well done guys, thanks for letting me know that. Now I know what I have been doing wrong 👍👍👍
Great video, thanks!
Nice gun & watch
From a .357 mag shooter this is a great helpful hint.
Thx. Hopefully this will help me get better with my Beretta 85BB.
Can we expect a LTT review soon?
Yes
Great stuff thanks for sharing
During my last time at the range with a rented 686 in .357 mag, I had troubles to even hit the target at 25m in DA. I had something like 3/5 hits. This vid will help me a lot, as I either hammered or staged the trigger. Now that I know the right way, it should go better next time.
Handgun shooting is hard for me, being really more into rifles. Guess it'll come with time... Still have to do some paperwork to be able to get my 1rst handgun, everything's kinda slow here in France.
I just want to point out, out of 5 shots, if you're hitting 3 you are hitting greater than 50% of shots. Statistically that's quite good. Considering data on LEO's tends to be they hit about 20% of shots.
@@Predalien195 And I guess that at SD ranges, between 5 and 15 yards, every round would be on target. But it's still possible to do better, way better :)
@@lrs2319 Sure, absolutely it is but 3/5 is a good start.
25 yards with double action is challenging. Try shooting 1-inch and 2-inch circles at 3 to 7 yards. That is also difficult, but it's all about trigger control. Out to 25, your ammo selection and sight adjustment become big factors and it's tough to diagnose issues if you're dealing with that *and* trigger control.
@@LuckyGunner Thanks for your answer, but this kind of training will be impossible to make in most french shooting ranges, including the ones of my area. Shooting with handguns at 25 yards is seen as a sport, while shooting at 3 to 7 yards is seen as defense... and we can't own or shoot guns for defensive purposes. So shooting that close is forbidden by the ranges. I'm still going to be on the lookout for ranges that could maybe allow me to do that... and in the mean time I'll continue to train at 25 yards.
Enjoy your freedoms while you still can. Have a nice day.
Great information!!!
The double action semi autos tend to have better double action than a double action revolver but the single action on revolvers are better I think.. if you can get good with a double action on a revolver you should be able to shoot a Beretta 92 CZ 75 or other similar guns even better
Best gun to have in the house that my wife can use for protection with minimal training? She has taken firearm courses with me and shot before but isn’t interested in spending hours at the range learning DA/SA triggers.
woolengrappler
I taught my wife how to shoot my beretta 92 compact with perfect accuracy out to 7 yards in only about 4 hours of range time. She’s never shot gun before. Let alone a DA/SA trigger.
You have to spend hours learning any weapon if the life of your loved ones is at stake.
If you’re that worried about a learning curve, just buy a Glock and be done with it.
Justin Rosas hmm, I was actually looking at the 92FS in .22LR. I like the .22LR as a trainer and could then side up to the 9mm when ready.
Those are cool. I want to buy a 22lr barrel and magazine to put into my 9mm just for that purpose. Itd be fun to plink with.
Ps, I’m for a 22lr for a women. When considering most women shooting, less recoil equals more shots on target.
People will say it won’t hurt someone, but that’s why you teach her to aim and hit the face and throat.
It’s all about shot placement.
@@woolengrappler Hope you went with 9mm. 22lr is inherently an unreliable cartridge.
Lucky gunner, do you have any experience with the bersa thunder pro 9mm? I'm considering getting that or the beretta storm compact but i can't decide which one i want
I don't have any shooting experience with the Bersas but I have been unimpressed with the ones I've handled.
@@LuckyGunner well how has the beretta storm been? Do you still carry it?
I usually carry different things depending on what I'm evaluating or experimenting with for future videos. But there is a PX4 Compact Carry in the Fort Knox pistol box next to my bed right now.
@@LuckyGunner that actually tells me a lot if you trust it to defend your home, appreciate it 👍
I must admit, I am quite surprised you don’t carry a CZ P01 or Rami. The beard definitely screams CZ to me.
That's too much internet for you. Go play outside.
Lucky Gunner Ammo 🔥
Lucky Gunner Ammo I have a P01 omega, it’s a good gun.
Love the Sinn watch
Very helpful. Thanks
Can you do handgun caliber comparisons for bear defense? Like 45 vs 10mm vs .357 vs 44 magnum, and hollow point vs fmj?
I’ve gone back to DA/SA and am finding it a little difficult to remaster after switching to striker fired guns years back.
Ozark Yeoman wow, I can see how that would help! I’ll give it a try this weekend 👍🏻 thanks man!
Not very familiar with the DA/SA platform, so what is Ernest doing with the support thumb at 7:03 and 7:06. not a safety. Decocker?
Yes, decocker
Lucky Gunner Ammo thx for the response Chris. So he is decocking it to make it a DA again and remove the SA or am I way off.
The 92 Elite LTT - my most desired pistol. If I just had a grand or so lying around... ;-)
I have medium size hands and have a CZ 75 which I love and feels great. But when I get high on it with proper grip I can only get my finger tip on the trigger. Is this correct? I don't feel like I had this problem with my M&P.
Hard to say without seeing you grip the gun. How big are your hands? How long are your fingers? Slimmer grip panels might help.
great info!
Are machine guns unregulated in Missouri now?
I don't know, man. You should probably ask a lawyer.
They are still regulated per federal law, but now are legal to own in Missouri. Whereas previously they were completely banned.
I wish there were better single-stack DA/SA options out there.
I don’t want to carry cocked and locked, so that rules out 1911-pattern guns like the 911, the 238/938 series, etc. Pretty much just leaves the XDe, which is too large.
Sig and 90s S&w
The width difference in a single stack is only about an inch. Doesn’t seem like a make or break scenario.
Sig 239
Fantastic 👍
Even though I like shooting in SA better, DA makes more sense in a self defense scenario.
legend
I don't know what all the TDA and SFA guys are on about, I carry Cond. 1 AIWB my dudes
Philosophy of Carry
Same carry method here with a 92 compact.
CZ ... period
It is so damn hard to not stage the trigger when just target shooting.
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Nice to see a grown man coaching a young, probably pre-pubescent, teen (who inexplicably needs a shave) how to properly shoot a DA/SA gun.
Solitary Soul Your sir might just be an asshole 👍🏼
Wow John Johnston looks a lot different now
Hmm, makes you understand why curved triggers got so popular.