Hey all, I would like to remind you before commenting this video was written in March of 2020 and released in May. This was before many of the allegations began circulating in the FGC and any claims I make either way were not influenced by these events. Safe to say that nobody in any community would defend these horrible people and the same can be said for me. Fuck abusers, fuck pedos, believe victims its as simple as that. Peace.
@@kibowolf1153 Saying something vague and obvious like "false rape allegations are a thing" without anything else is weird. Is there a particular member of the FGC that you think was unfairly treated, or that the allegations against them were false? It would be much better if you mentioned that, rather than give a broad statement. False allegations are a thing. But sexual abuse is a thing as well.
@@dudestep he's just addressing the vague statement of "believe victims". Because "believe victims" tends to actually mean "believe accusers" If someone is proven to be a victim, there's no need for "belief" it's a fact. Thus the statement of "believe victims" seems contradictory. A situation in which belief is necessary would be one in which you cannot be sure they are victims. And a situation in which you know they are a victim is one where belief is not required.
One of my favorite aspects of the Daigo parry that doesn't often get talked about is that in some recordings of the clip you can hear floe talking in the crowd and expressing worry about jwong throwing out a raw super on block as apparently Daigo had managed to parry the super earlier in bracket that day. The fact that it didn't come out of nowhere honestly makes it even more exciting to me, like an anime character pulling out their secret technique it feels even more earned that they had proven themselves before and the idea that it was something that could be predicted as a small chance of happening again makes it all the more rewarding.
As an old fighting game player, I loved how you framed Alex coming back with his Hugo for one last display of superiority. Brought a tear to an old man’s eye lol. Excellent job, man. Fantastic video
Yeah he sounded like a fool. Fatal fury, Kof, soul caliber, rival schools as well as a few others have amazing stories. Each character has their own story that could be its own manga. It’s just SF and tekken the big 2 focus their main story on wack characters Ryu and Jin
@@pleaseshutup7053 They're good for a fighting game. But compared to any other types of games, no. Often carried by cliches and conveniences for the sake of aligning with the idea that it is a fighting game, you're not going to get novel-level writing for the narrative and character arcs like you would other genres of games.
Main problem with fighting game stories is they do a poor job telling them. The amount of modes in each game and the amount of comics and other forms of media you have to sit through to even understand some of KOF or SFs lore is just not worth the effort. Mortal Kombat is one of the only fighters that has even bothered to explain its story in a continuous way from the first game
Ever since I stopped playing smash ultimate since the start of the quarantine I've researched and checked out other games and found out that there really are other very freaking awesome fighting games too with such a dynamic and fun communities with great content creators as you. I'm really interested on trying out tekken 7. What I'm trying to say guys, don't ever stick to just ONE fighting game, at least check out and try other one that catches your attention.
I love this genre, new to the community btw, mk and UA-cam made me play, Tekken made me stay and remember the fun moments of playing with my brothers, and sfv... Well .. they stole my money xD, all in all I love the art of sfv, but it seems a bit underwhelming, at the same time it is my first ever sfv game.
2 years late but this was amazing and the thing is this documentary could be going on for eons every community from every game has moments and we didn't even get into the other countries' scenes like Jp, Korea, and etc. mainly a 3d guy but oh my gosh I just loved this, this video is favorited.
This was not only a pleasing video to watch, but also a great analysis on why and what I love about the FGC and fighting games as a whole. Thank you for this great content :D nvm
Smash players are the reason I gave up on Smash. They're the reason I chose to move on and pursue other fighters. This video shared great stories of the FGC, ones I've remembered for so long and ones I will remember. (a freaking 8-year-old got in EVO, it was beautiful!) Thanks for this.
Same, I left right as covid started but just recently came back after all the drama died down and those disgusting freaks that did what they did are gone.
as a smash player, chapter 7 is wholly accurate. I love the game series, but it is so true. also holly shit that ending left a chill going down my spine
This has honestly helped me a lot with life and my fighting game skills. This video has pushed me to not only finally be myself but to push forward in life. As much as I suffered its heart warming knowing that the FGC is by your side. I used to play Smash 24/7 because it was the only game I had. I never really had a good understanding of myself but this video has encouraged me to go forward in my gaming career and life. This video helped me out a lot, Thank you so much!
I'm not gonna lie, the smash & sonicfox sections felt incredibly biased. You could've gone more into detail on Sonicfox's accomplishments & rise in FGs rather than just glazing them, & being entirely negative in the smash section (idc about how toxic they are in the context of this video) dosen't fit with the theme you were going for
Thanks for the vid, it's honestly a mix of anger and heartwarming moments. Every day, a new fight begins and a victor rises, but the stories in-between that can be very interesting.
Great video man! It really hammers down what makes these games special, The people around them, and left me with a feeling of wanting to get better, wanting to leave an impact more than any inspirational video ever would! Keep on making videos dude!
I was going to ask about melee but then i got to chapter 7 and i have a few points to make about this but ill keep them to myself as the chapter felt like a set up to pull contradiction but i want to say that this felt like a jab that was mildly deserved but when it was followed up by a shiryuken it feel like a rub in the wound. The community is split into ultimate and melee, being bunched into the same group felt wrong and over all it felt like you dont understand smash to the full degree. However that being said if we had a company like capcom perhaps we wouldnt have so many issues with our comminuty and things that happen out side of our tournements is not something we can control but i personally celebrate like a fighting game fame not as a smasher when i see someone break thier barrier i am excited. Either way i love this video all except for the disregard for every melee and smash as a whole has done.
One thing to note as well is just how these 2 communities Melee and Ultimate are treated by Nintendo. If the FGC is the thug of the esports community then Melee is the manipulated child (at least in my eyes) with every passing game Nintendo is like HEY (Melee player) come play our new smash game with an invitational tournament then later on of the biggest tournaments in Melee could be shut down because the only way to play is on an emulator. Ultimate has it's own issues which have been documented, but when the only thing a community wants is to be left alone by Our creator instead of being lead on in hope HOPE that We get accepted by Nintendo and get helped. It doesn't excuse some of Our actions and how We act when We don't get a tournament spot but I hope it helps people understand why We react how we did.
I don't think your portraying of the smash community is just tone deaf, it's misinformed. You can dislike leffen as much as you want and the guy surely is a divisive personality, but no other figure head of the community has stepped up and been a leader in the best sense of the word as he has when the smash community had that wave of abuse stories being exposed. He not only called out the other community leaders who had shit brought up about them, he actively took steps in order to make the issue as visible and discussed as he could. Also, most of the toxic behaviour you showed were from ultimate players, and a known douchebag in the melee community (westballz) who was even accused of abuse by mango's wife. Most of melee community is pretty chill, they just don't like the other games in the series (which is also understandable, seeing as how every other game is huge departure from melee's core mechanics and how Sakurai has gone on record saying he wants the other games to be different from melee). Also, there's a reason for Armada's controller being an issue, and you could have researched it better if you wanted to. The kotaku article you showed actually explains why his problem was not just 'bitchery'. I'm not saying the smash community is perfect and while it has improved significantly it still has a lot to go, but I think you went into this piece with a formed opinion, and that's a shame.
This is true, I do think that him just calling armada a cry baby is uncalled for because his controller wasn’t working properly because it’s not the way it’s not supposed to work, like image you playing SF or anything other fighting game and playing in on a broken stick in a big tournament, instead of turning a blind eye and just saying stuff, he should put himself in other’s shoes. And the other “toxic” stuff he showed about the smash community was ether not researched enough, biased, or simply not the whole picture, plus i do think that he did not show all of the smash community, he just showed the bad side of the smash community... I mean I could just go in any community, even the FGC nowadays and just show the bad side and making look like a toxic acid pool. Instead of just showing the far between toxic stuff the smash community did, maybe show some good side to it because the people that have no idea about the smash community or what it’s truly like, you could make them shift away from it and think of it as nothing but toxic...
Seriously!??? Don’t tell me! Really? #Metoo made it’s way to Smash!??? Crap! Well! I’m gonna make meme with texts featuring the Female Characters inviting us in the real world to smash with them, as apposed to the man hating bitches, or FemiNAZiS, radicalized Feminists, in which the text shows as if, Samus, Bayonetta, Lady P, Wii Fit Trainer, Zelda and others are calling out the Anti Male tendencies. Thus expressing they’re against feminism & will be smashing ($€(x)¥ Time) with guys from here in real life😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣💗😎💻
@Sir Solid Snail I really did enjoy playing Smash; but, now if, I’m ever joining tournaments, it’s online! This 🎶 I don’t wanna get get hauled away, with false allegations on Christmas Day! Make my wish come true! This Christmas you we don’t need no #Metooooooooooo🎵🎶
You could tell everything I wanted about what game FGC the best competitive ever and make that with a masterpice video. Started your channel today and loved everything so far
It's wild how you praise the melty blood community for playing a 20 year old game but turn around and tell melee players to essentially "move on." Very hypocritical, honestly that smash section as a whole could just be thrown out, aside from that video was pretty good
As a 22yo who’s followed the Smash community since middle school, the ending of this was incredibly demoralizing to watch. However, the change necessary for the community to mature and be “accepted by the FGC,” as it so desperately wants for some reason, _cannot and will not EVER_ happen and here’s why: Smash is *too* accessible. It’s also a kids’ game on a kids’ console. Sakurai literally said he made Smash to be accessible and easy for newcomers. It was never even meant to be taken seriously. That’s why it’s so easy to get into for kids. How many middle schoolers do you know that play Smash vs literally any other fighting game? There is a disproportionate amount of children interested in competitive Smash vs any other fighting game. They get invested. They want to compete. They want to meet and beat their heroes. That’s why we have so many stories of kids like MKLeo back in the day and Sparg0 now making waves at such young ages, while that’s more of a rare occurrence in the FGC comparatively. Not to mention Smash is extremely attractive even if you aren’t interested in comp. If you buy Guilty Gear, it’s to _play_ Guilty Gear, y’know? You bought it to learn a fun, competitive new skill. You bought a _hobby._ But people buy Smash just for casual fun with friends, or maybe because characters from a franchise they love just got added to it. Smash has insane reach and appeal to the broader public and that devastatingly increases the chance of weirdos, immature adults, and literal, actual children to stumble their way into the scene. And that segues into the second issue: Smash is on a kids’ console. While the lower age of the average comp Smash player contributes greatly to the severely lowered average maturity level compared to the FGC, it also is on a console that is more geared towards children. While obviously there are some mature games on Nintendo consoles, the vast majority of main titles are kid friendly. There’s nothing wrong with adults enjoying them too, because the games are made for everybody, but that’s just it: they’re made for EVERYBODY. Compare stereotypical flagship games on Xbox and PlayStation vs Nintendo and it’s blatantly easy to see which side focuses more on making things kids can enjoy in addition to adults, versus the side that still has kids games, but also a large variety of games made _just_ for adults. This fact about Nintendo basically echos the same effects Smash being accessible to children has on the community. Because Nintendo games are more cartoonish and made with children in mind, they have wider appeal. And while there is nothing wrong with liking less gritty, more cartoony media (I literally fall into that category lol), it has the propensity to attract people who like those things but also have stunted mental growth. Basically, the average Nintendo console owner has lower maturity, either due to being a literal child, or being an adult more childlike in his or her thinking, and within that sphere, the average Smash player is even _more_ exaggerated in those categories. And because these adults in the Smash community are hanging around and communicating on Twitter with the younger players (even if they don’t realize it), the lack of maturity of those kids actually _rubs off_ on the older players. Additionally, lots of content creators in the Smash scene have younger viewer bases than FGC content creators, because, again, Smash attracts younger players due to its wider appeal. This in turn, again, just amplifies the amount of kid-adult interactions in the community and fosters the _creation_ of manchildren in addition to attracting preexisting ones. And I didn’t even touch on it but you can obviously see how that makes it easier for creeps and pedos to not only find their way into the scene, but be _CREATED OUT OF_ the scene. You get the gist so I won’t say any more. Basically, tl;dr: the lack of maturity in the Smash community is a side effect of the type of game Smash is and the type of console it’s on, and because those _facts_ will never change about Smash and Nintendo, it is _LITERALLY_ impossible for the necessary growth the community needs to ever fully happen. It’s important for the community to still try and improve in spite of this, obviously, but at the end of the day, no matter how much progress we make, it will _always_ be a far more egregious problem for Smash than it is for the FGC, and that’s, unfortunately, just a fact.
this was an incredible video with a really great outlook and perspective on the greater meaning of what the fgc means to all of us. thank you for this, you deserve a sub without a doubt
I wish someone would make a fighting game with near zero comeback mechanics and like, a very limited (but all useful) number of moves where movement/distance control is king. Something even better than Virtua Fighter, which is pretty much the only game series that does the aforementioned.
@@PixelatedFearI wouldn't say "incomprehensible." More... Labyrinthine. You have to wrap your mind around the fact it's a bunch of branched time loops for it to make ANY sense.
an 8 year old child competes in evo and I (a 23 year old adult) still can't get out of green ranks in tekken lol great respect for him, this really makes me happy seeing young people becoming a part of this wonderful community
the project m community definently deserves better than clips of them in the smash slander, its certainly not perfect but its very seperate to melee/ultimate
Thank you for this coolio overview of the FGC, re-experienced a few moments/stories that I was already aware of and learned new stuffs as well! :D (Also honestly, at the time of me viewing along with the date this was posted I thought this would have way more views, feels super underrated)
I was literally crying at the epilogue that is how beautiful the community is and the video. I always curse myself for being born at the wrong time and wrong region but that is all meaningless the only thing that holds meaning is my journey for the future and the past.
@@maforo85 Yeah Ik but my main region is like 500km and I have just turned 18 so college and all had to get it. So haven't got the freedon you know what I mean I have yet to experience it that is why I haven't went into any events. Also a keyboard player. But the community is lovely.
When I watched the intro of this video it made me think of when I was a kid in the late '90s and everyone in the whole house (adults and kids) what cram into one room and play Mortal Kombat on super NES all night, taking turns playing the winner. I think only a fighting game could have done that.
After watching the Smash part of the video, I greatly disagree. I do think the whole Bocchi ordeal was horrible just as you said, but do note this isn't specific to the Smash community. The FGC also has incidents like this with the recent LTG/CeroBlast drama with plenty of people looking for clout, and as much as I hate this it's practically unavoidable when a large amount of people is involved. It's also untrue to say that the Smash community don't welcome new players to rise to the top - Ultimate has a ton of those (Riddles, Maister, heck even Toast). The reason Melee players want their game is because it offers a very different experience that's more valuable to them, which actually made a lot of sense during the era of Brawl (which was clearly catered to casuals); the most apt FGC comparison I can probably think of is stopping Melty Blood from being run in a tournament due to the presence of UNICLR. And while I agree that FGC figures stand out to me more, the Melee gods and top players of the past and present are very valid personalities. If I'm being frank, that part of the video, along with the SonicFox chapter, seemed more like a personal preference rather than actual history. While I enjoy the FGC more as a community, the Smash Community is equally valid, and the two share many traits, both positive and negative. There's definitely points I agree with and this video is still amazingly made overall, but there was stuff I thought lacked insight for sure.
I straight up can't enjoy smash anymore because of the collective UTI that community has. I straight up played a CASUAL set against 2 tournament level players, utterly crushed them both(not trying to brag), and they both demanded to go into my games settings to see if I had some "comeback" mechanic enabled (I didn't, also I held the lead for the entirety of both sets so I literally wouldn't have gotten any bonus from it) On top of that, one of them made me go into training mode to double check the damage and frames of my character's smash attacks Like. I'm happy to go into training to lab some stuff and help a fellow player but I felt so icky after they both basically accused me of cheating or playing unfairly that I've lost any interest in playing smash competitively. I really hope they get their shit together, Smash could be so much more than the toxic cesspool that it is right now.
The comments about Mango have not aged well haha I don't think he ever thought the best was behind him, he knew he always has what it takes to be the best any year.
This should’ve really been broken up into an eight or nine part series. Some of the dialogue seems a tad pretentious, but the work that went into this is undeniable. Great job.
Why is this video getting so much hate? This video talks about epic moments in history / what the fgc is about. It’s a great video. I understand some people hating the smash section just cause it’s to aggressive on them but I started in the smash community and everything said is mostly true. (Also hate seekers remember this comment is a question asking why the hate, not me choosing sides)
Thanks for the great video bro! Thoroughly enjoyed but I do think the take on Smash community was one of the most biased and misinformed I've ever come across. Not really a part of the scene anymore myself as I have other interests going on but I do think you only portrayed a very niche part of it as being "the scene." Smash ultimate had the teenager new comer "sparg0" come into the scene and become one of the best in the world and he was revered and celebrated as a crowd favorite. The Bocchi incident sure is sad and appalling and it's not the only thing that has gone massively wrong in the scene but it's not representative of the international scene as a whole. The vast majority of the scene is very friendly and most people I've met are the most socially conscious people I've met in any FGC scene. The thing about Melee you have to understand is that it's a grass roots scene that has had to constantly battle against Nintendo who is trying to destroy it. It's a very different place to be in compared to many fighting game companies that celebrate and support their competitive scene. I do agree that the smash scene is stubborn and allergic to drastic changes but I think it's understandable because it's something they've had to build themselves starting from "house rules" because the game isn't built for a competitive environment. This also makes it very dear to the players and they become protective. I understand it might look silly from the outside but Melee truly is a unique installation in the series and jumping from Melee to Ultimate is honestly a massive leap. Not saying one is better than the other but Ultimate lacks most things that Melee is celebrated for and Ultimate brings a lot of things to the table that Melee never could. I don't think it's any different from people who still play Third Strike because they don't enjoy the new installations. They are very different after all. And we did have almost all of the Melee gods move into Ultimate too so I think the argument is a bit unfair. Anyways cheers and thanks for the great video!
With the time I spent in the FGC going to tournaments, nobody let any hate against any group go without backlash. And this was right before the 2020 smash allegations hit. So good on Ohio for supporting all players.
Great video Personally i don’t see a problem with homophobia or sexism in the fgc. If you go on any straight male stream they get shitted on. I think the problem with the FGC is a modern one- people feel safe behind the internet. Im a tekken player and a grown adult but it’s always teenagers always calling me a bitch n***a when they lose convincingly . Honest People don’t care if you’re gay or woman they only care about your skills. Pick up your pad or stick and get on the grind and earn respect People online also need to stop making winning or losing so damn important. Rank or losing sets online doesn’t matter, it’s not like money or sponsors are involved for the 99.9% of us. Who are above average at best. I wonder if the arcade scene at it’s peak faced the same toxicity as online play does.
Armada dropping out bc his controller is actually kinda understandable. Pro Melee controllers are usually insanely expensive custom made. Tldr the game is fucked in so many ways, making certain controllers better than others, so u cant really just get another one on demand
SonicFox was actually the first person id ever watched tournament play of, and it was his match against NinjaKilla, i believe it was EB and LK. Then i found out that he was a furry and was like "whoa thats cool" Then i found out i was gay and NB, and THEN SONICFOX CAME OUT TOO. man they just like me fr
Fantastic video, in particular I liked your critique of the smash communities regressive tendencies, I couldn’t agree more and there is still a mountain to climb before smash can be considered “inclusive” but I think they’re on their way and that is an encouraging thought.
On the one hand, many, many many many aspects and layers of this video are amazing and I LOVE that you made it. On the other hand.... implying multiple times that the FGC is homophobic etc. which is just not true anymore, making a massive deal about Alex Valle doing 'okay' at a touranment at age 36 like he's fucking ancient when for example Daigo is 42 and still kicking ass with absolutely no end in sight (and myself being in my 30s and just getting into fighting games seriously taking offense to that implication lmao), the way you dug around the 'dirty' parts of why Sonicfox owning as hard as they do and more FGC smack talk rather than just celebrating the player, randomly taking a hard detour into Smash and downplaying its entire community then bringing up a totally random universally distressing moment with the 15-year-old and pushing weird drama that didn't need to be brought up or showcased at all, being ageist AGAIN about Mang0, like... I eventually just had to stop watching lmao. Like, nice try, but you have some maturing to do before you can really pull off a vid like this. I do genuinely appreciate the attempt, though.
The Smash section seemed hella biased, I'm not even a smash player but it came off as you picking out the worst bits of that community, for a video that seems like a love letter to fighting games its really odd that you'd pay so much attention to the negative side of Smash while ignoring all the great moments that has come out of that scene.
@@Mehgic at that point why leave it in the video? You and I both believe Smash isn’t part of the FGC so why dedicate a large section of a video about the FGC to it, and then only talk about surface level negative stuff. Like if you’re gonna talk about Smash there was so much sick stuff you could’ve talked about but it was just depressing
@@CCuppy29nah facts, while the smash community does have mad problems (specifically ult idk why he lumped in melee while simultaneously acknowledging that they're different communities) they have a slew of great moments dating all the way back to 2004, if this is supposed to be a tribute to fighting games he could've talked about the melee community getting into evo 2013 through donations.
As a melee player I can only smh at the smash section. Just saying: Melee and Ultimate are completely different scenes. Being aware that comparing bullying a 15 year old with players staying with Melee because Brawl follows a completely different design philosophy is tonedeaf doesn't make it any better when you do it and therefore insult us Melee players for loving a game. We (Melee Community) don't hate change, we are just forced to stay with Melee because no other game remotely comes close to what it is. Also, in case you didn't know, Toph, who you included with a tweet where he calls out the Ultimate community, is one of the most important figures in the Melee community. Also fuck Leffen.
Honestly the Smash section should have just been left out, it’s not exactly part of the FGC and Melee’s community is mostly separate from Ultimate’s. On top of that it felt more like an opinion piece than an actual account of memorable events that made the scenes feel alive. (Like how do you ignore the Wombo Combo?)
As someone in the fgc who's heart will always be with smash ultimate, it sucks so much how the majority of the smash community is. It's the most toxic and gross, probably because it has one of the younger fanbases, and it's just so fulk of drama, but holy shit, man, when i watched Maister take that game agaonst Onin with sora, whenever i watch Kameme's breakout run at Glitch Regen, when i see tweets announcing the new Smashcon or Summit winner, i can't help but scream. I hate the drama, and I *despise* how riddled the community is with 'phobes, sex pests, pedos, and various other kinds of gross peopld, but fuck its so good
I can't decide whether I'm delighted that Project M footage was interspersed in the Smash section or offended that the editing was used to make it the posterchild of how horrible and backwards the Smash community is even though the PM/P+ community is one of the chillest communities out there. We just wanna be left alone to play our game without being harassed by Nintendo.
Hey all, I would like to remind you before commenting this video was written in March of 2020 and released in May. This was before many of the allegations began circulating in the FGC and any claims I make either way were not influenced by these events. Safe to say that nobody in any community would defend these horrible people and the same can be said for me. Fuck abusers, fuck pedos, believe victims its as simple as that. Peace.
Netherrealm studios does make good stories
We cant believe every victims groundlessly tho, false rape and sex allegations are a thing
@@knitler885 hehe no they don't
@@kibowolf1153 Saying something vague and obvious like "false rape allegations are a thing" without anything else is weird. Is there a particular member of the FGC that you think was unfairly treated, or that the allegations against them were false? It would be much better if you mentioned that, rather than give a broad statement. False allegations are a thing. But sexual abuse is a thing as well.
@@dudestep he's just addressing the vague statement of "believe victims". Because "believe victims" tends to actually mean "believe accusers"
If someone is proven to be a victim, there's no need for "belief" it's a fact.
Thus the statement of "believe victims" seems contradictory. A situation in which belief is necessary would be one in which you cannot be sure they are victims. And a situation in which you know they are a victim is one where belief is not required.
One of my favorite aspects of the Daigo parry that doesn't often get talked about is that in some recordings of the clip you can hear floe talking in the crowd and expressing worry about jwong throwing out a raw super on block as apparently Daigo had managed to parry the super earlier in bracket that day.
The fact that it didn't come out of nowhere honestly makes it even more exciting to me, like an anime character pulling out their secret technique it feels even more earned that they had proven themselves before and the idea that it was something that could be predicted as a small chance of happening again makes it all the more rewarding.
RIP
@AhopeGG why rip?
@@CoVa923 Floe passed away not too long ago.
Floe just said to hold off on the raw super, I think it was better to hold off as it's less risky
The meaning of life?
The answer lies in the heart of battle
Triumph or Die!!
In the immortal words of Tokido "Fighting games are something, so great." It's always nice to find a reminder of why I love fighting games so much.
I genuinely cried after this video dude. This is incredible art
26:45 as a 36y/o that loves Fighting Games, this phrase made me shed a tear...been playing since I was 15....great stuff
I'm 13 and I wanna be like that
As an old fighting game player, I loved how you framed Alex coming back with his Hugo for one last display of superiority. Brought a tear to an old man’s eye lol. Excellent job, man. Fantastic video
Bro when that Melty Blood intro hit
I got the CHILLS
I wasn't expecting it, my heart imploded in surprise
"Fighting games don't have good stories" Me as King of Fighters fan: Okay
Yeah he sounded like a fool. Fatal fury, Kof, soul caliber, rival schools as well as a few others have amazing stories. Each character has their own story that could be its own manga. It’s just SF and tekken the big 2 focus their main story on wack characters Ryu and Jin
super late but guilty gear lore
@@pleaseshutup7053 They're good for a fighting game. But compared to any other types of games, no. Often carried by cliches and conveniences for the sake of aligning with the idea that it is a fighting game, you're not going to get novel-level writing for the narrative and character arcs like you would other genres of games.
EXTREMELY late but blazblue lore
Main problem with fighting game stories is they do a poor job telling them. The amount of modes in each game and the amount of comics and other forms of media you have to sit through to even understand some of KOF or SFs lore is just not worth the effort. Mortal Kombat is one of the only fighters that has even bothered to explain its story in a continuous way from the first game
Ever since I stopped playing smash ultimate since the start of the quarantine I've researched and checked out other games and found out that there really are other very freaking awesome fighting games too with such a dynamic and fun communities with great content creators as you. I'm really interested on trying out tekken 7.
What I'm trying to say guys, don't ever stick to just ONE fighting game, at least check out and try other one that catches your attention.
I love this genre, new to the community btw, mk and UA-cam made me play, Tekken made me stay and remember the fun moments of playing with my brothers, and sfv... Well .. they stole my money xD, all in all I love the art of sfv, but it seems a bit underwhelming, at the same time it is my first ever sfv game.
2 years late but this was amazing and the thing is this documentary could be going on for eons every community from every game has moments and we didn't even get into the other countries' scenes like Jp, Korea, and etc. mainly a 3d guy but oh my gosh I just loved this, this video is favorited.
X-Men Vs Street Fighter was life changing when I played it in the arcade when it came out. So much hype to see Ryu shoot kamehameha blasts
@Super Mario no
x-men vs street fighter is STILL the best "mahvel" game IMO. I had more fun in that game than in any of the MVC titles that came after it
This was not only a pleasing video to watch, but also a great analysis on why and what I love about the FGC and fighting games as a whole. Thank you for this great content :D
nvm
Smash players are the reason I gave up on Smash. They're the reason I chose to move on and pursue other fighters. This video shared great stories of the FGC, ones I've remembered for so long and ones I will remember. (a freaking 8-year-old got in EVO, it was beautiful!) Thanks for this.
this comment aged like fine wine
Same, I left right as covid started but just recently came back after all the drama died down and those disgusting freaks that did what they did are gone.
2 years ago: rougher edges
Today: history repeats itself
as a smash player, chapter 7 is wholly accurate. I love the game series, but it is so true. also holly shit that ending left a chill going down my spine
Oh this is a big vid, and on my favourite genre. Looking forward to watching this
That ain’t falco
This has honestly helped me a lot with life and my fighting game skills. This video has pushed me to not only finally be myself but to push forward in life. As much as I suffered its heart warming knowing that the FGC is by your side. I used to play Smash 24/7 because it was the only game I had. I never really had a good understanding of myself but this video has encouraged me to go forward in my gaming career and life. This video helped me out a lot, Thank you so much!
I'm not gonna lie, the smash & sonicfox sections felt incredibly biased. You could've gone more into detail on Sonicfox's accomplishments & rise in FGs rather than just glazing them, & being entirely negative in the smash section (idc about how toxic they are in the context of this video) dosen't fit with the theme you were going for
Thanks for the vid, it's honestly a mix of anger and heartwarming moments. Every day, a new fight begins and a victor rises, but the stories in-between that can be very interesting.
It's mostly american fgc would you make a part 2 talking about more of the international players like arslan ash or wawa ?
americans are too lazy, they won't do it
@@hemangchauhan2864 Why would you expect people to make videos about other scenes they're not involved in?
@@AirLancer because America bad give me likes
Great video man! It really hammers down what makes these games special, The people around them, and left me with a feeling of wanting to get better, wanting to leave an impact more than any inspirational video ever would! Keep on making videos dude!
As an European FGC for more than a decade, 8:10 to 8:16 told me everything I needed to hear from this video.
I was going to ask about melee but then i got to chapter 7 and i have a few points to make about this but ill keep them to myself as the chapter felt like a set up to pull contradiction but i want to say that this felt like a jab that was mildly deserved but when it was followed up by a shiryuken it feel like a rub in the wound. The community is split into ultimate and melee, being bunched into the same group felt wrong and over all it felt like you dont understand smash to the full degree. However that being said if we had a company like capcom perhaps we wouldnt have so many issues with our comminuty and things that happen out side of our tournements is not something we can control but i personally celebrate like a fighting game fame not as a smasher when i see someone break thier barrier i am excited. Either way i love this video all except for the disregard for every melee and smash as a whole has done.
This video just makes me want to get my first joystick even more
I picked up my first stick recently, it was worth every penny!
Best of luck in your fighting journey 💜
Man this is the best FGC essay out there, hope you make more fighting game content
I actually know bocchi in real life. She is one of my friends gf. She is a great person and definitely hasn’t let her past effect her happiness.
Good to hear, always good to see a happy ending
One thing to note as well is just how these 2 communities Melee and Ultimate are treated by Nintendo. If the FGC is the thug of the esports community then Melee is the manipulated child (at least in my eyes) with every passing game Nintendo is like HEY (Melee player) come play our new smash game with an invitational tournament then later on of the biggest tournaments in Melee could be shut down because the only way to play is on an emulator. Ultimate has it's own issues which have been documented, but when the only thing a community wants is to be left alone by Our creator instead of being lead on in hope HOPE that We get accepted by Nintendo and get helped. It doesn't excuse some of Our actions and how We act when We don't get a tournament spot but I hope it helps people understand why We react how we did.
Loved this! Great video you can really see how much you care about the community
The algorithm has blessed me today
I don't think your portraying of the smash community is just tone deaf, it's misinformed. You can dislike leffen as much as you want and the guy surely is a divisive personality, but no other figure head of the community has stepped up and been a leader in the best sense of the word as he has when the smash community had that wave of abuse stories being exposed. He not only called out the other community leaders who had shit brought up about them, he actively took steps in order to make the issue as visible and discussed as he could. Also, most of the toxic behaviour you showed were from ultimate players, and a known douchebag in the melee community (westballz) who was even accused of abuse by mango's wife. Most of melee community is pretty chill, they just don't like the other games in the series (which is also understandable, seeing as how every other game is huge departure from melee's core mechanics and how Sakurai has gone on record saying he wants the other games to be different from melee).
Also, there's a reason for Armada's controller being an issue, and you could have researched it better if you wanted to. The kotaku article you showed actually explains why his problem was not just 'bitchery'.
I'm not saying the smash community is perfect and while it has improved significantly it still has a lot to go, but I think you went into this piece with a formed opinion, and that's a shame.
This is true, I do think that him just calling armada a cry baby is uncalled for because his controller wasn’t working properly because it’s not the way it’s not supposed to work, like image you playing SF or anything other fighting game and playing in on a broken stick in a big tournament, instead of turning a blind eye and just saying stuff, he should put himself in other’s shoes. And the other “toxic” stuff he showed about the smash community was ether not researched enough, biased, or simply not the whole picture, plus i do think that he did not show all of the smash community, he just showed the bad side of the smash community... I mean I could just go in any community, even the FGC nowadays and just show the bad side and making look like a toxic acid pool. Instead of just showing the far between toxic stuff the smash community did, maybe show some good side to it because the people that have no idea about the smash community or what it’s truly like, you could make them shift away from it and think of it as nothing but toxic...
Seriously!??? Don’t tell me! Really? #Metoo made it’s way to Smash!???
Crap! Well! I’m gonna make meme with texts featuring the Female Characters inviting us in the real world to smash with them, as apposed to the man hating bitches, or FemiNAZiS, radicalized Feminists, in which the text shows as if, Samus, Bayonetta, Lady P, Wii Fit Trainer, Zelda and others are calling out the Anti Male tendencies. Thus expressing they’re against feminism & will be smashing ($€(x)¥ Time) with guys from here in real life😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣💗😎💻
@@ChristianGibbons777 what, honestly didn’t know what you said, pls explain lol
@Sir Solid Snail I really did enjoy playing Smash; but, now if, I’m ever joining tournaments, it’s online! This
🎶 I don’t wanna get get hauled away, with false allegations on Christmas Day! Make my wish come true! This Christmas you we don’t need no #Metooooooooooo🎵🎶
@@ChristianGibbons777 You sound like a Russian troll bot autocorrecting semi related but ultimately random words
I was curious about Melty Blood and this video is the reason I bought Type Lumina. “MY PEOPLE”
you forgot in melee, Happy feet wambo combo
You could tell everything I wanted about what game FGC the best competitive ever and make that with a masterpice video. Started your channel today and loved everything so far
It's wild how you praise the melty blood community for playing a 20 year old game but turn around and tell melee players to essentially "move on." Very hypocritical, honestly that smash section as a whole could just be thrown out, aside from that video was pretty good
You have an anime pfp so you're opinion is automatically invalid , sorry
@@Noja2 how old are you, 12?
@@CoVa923 15
As a 22yo who’s followed the Smash community since middle school, the ending of this was incredibly demoralizing to watch.
However, the change necessary for the community to mature and be “accepted by the FGC,” as it so desperately wants for some reason, _cannot and will not EVER_ happen and here’s why:
Smash is *too* accessible. It’s also a kids’ game on a kids’ console. Sakurai literally said he made Smash to be accessible and easy for newcomers. It was never even meant to be taken seriously. That’s why it’s so easy to get into for kids. How many middle schoolers do you know that play Smash vs literally any other fighting game? There is a disproportionate amount of children interested in competitive Smash vs any other fighting game. They get invested. They want to compete. They want to meet and beat their heroes. That’s why we have so many stories of kids like MKLeo back in the day and Sparg0 now making waves at such young ages, while that’s more of a rare occurrence in the FGC comparatively.
Not to mention Smash is extremely attractive even if you aren’t interested in comp. If you buy Guilty Gear, it’s to _play_ Guilty Gear, y’know? You bought it to learn a fun, competitive new skill. You bought a _hobby._ But people buy Smash just for casual fun with friends, or maybe because characters from a franchise they love just got added to it. Smash has insane reach and appeal to the broader public and that devastatingly increases the chance of weirdos, immature adults, and literal, actual children to stumble their way into the scene.
And that segues into the second issue: Smash is on a kids’ console. While the lower age of the average comp Smash player contributes greatly to the severely lowered average maturity level compared to the FGC, it also is on a console that is more geared towards children. While obviously there are some mature games on Nintendo consoles, the vast majority of main titles are kid friendly. There’s nothing wrong with adults enjoying them too, because the games are made for everybody, but that’s just it: they’re made for EVERYBODY. Compare stereotypical flagship games on Xbox and PlayStation vs Nintendo and it’s blatantly easy to see which side focuses more on making things kids can enjoy in addition to adults, versus the side that still has kids games, but also a large variety of games made _just_ for adults.
This fact about Nintendo basically echos the same effects Smash being accessible to children has on the community. Because Nintendo games are more cartoonish and made with children in mind, they have wider appeal. And while there is nothing wrong with liking less gritty, more cartoony media (I literally fall into that category lol), it has the propensity to attract people who like those things but also have stunted mental growth.
Basically, the average Nintendo console owner has lower maturity, either due to being a literal child, or being an adult more childlike in his or her thinking, and within that sphere, the average Smash player is even _more_ exaggerated in those categories. And because these adults in the Smash community are hanging around and communicating on Twitter with the younger players (even if they don’t realize it), the lack of maturity of those kids actually _rubs off_ on the older players.
Additionally, lots of content creators in the Smash scene have younger viewer bases than FGC content creators, because, again, Smash attracts younger players due to its wider appeal. This in turn, again, just amplifies the amount of kid-adult interactions in the community and fosters the _creation_ of manchildren in addition to attracting preexisting ones.
And I didn’t even touch on it but you can obviously see how that makes it easier for creeps and pedos to not only find their way into the scene, but be _CREATED OUT OF_ the scene. You get the gist so I won’t say any more.
Basically, tl;dr: the lack of maturity in the Smash community is a side effect of the type of game Smash is and the type of console it’s on, and because those _facts_ will never change about Smash and Nintendo, it is _LITERALLY_ impossible for the necessary growth the community needs to ever fully happen. It’s important for the community to still try and improve in spite of this, obviously, but at the end of the day, no matter how much progress we make, it will _always_ be a far more egregious problem for Smash than it is for the FGC, and that’s, unfortunately, just a fact.
The fgc is truly magical. that clip of Noah is adorably wholesome
this was an incredible video with a really great outlook and perspective on the greater meaning of what the fgc means to all of us. thank you for this, you deserve a sub without a doubt
I wish someone would make a fighting game with near zero comeback mechanics and like, a very limited (but all useful) number of moves where movement/distance control is king. Something even better than Virtua Fighter, which is pretty much the only game series that does the aforementioned.
I feel like the smash section felt out of place and should've been made into it's own video
1:31
"Fighting games don't have a good story"
Netherrealm studio:"hold my beer"
Weird way to spell guilty gear friend
Speaking of fighting games with batshit crazy stories... what about Blazblue's incomprehensible story?
@@PixelatedFear it's a symptom of being developed by arcsys
@@PixelatedFearI wouldn't say "incomprehensible." More... Labyrinthine. You have to wrap your mind around the fact it's a bunch of branched time loops for it to make ANY sense.
Not watched the video yet but I’m loving the title. Bold
Fighting Games save the life of an abused, neglected, and unloved boy, back in the 90s; that boy was me.
an 8 year old child competes in evo and I (a 23 year old adult) still can't get out of green ranks in tekken lol
great respect for him, this really makes me happy seeing young people becoming a part of this wonderful community
I enjoyed every second of it! I hope you make more videos about the fgc specially about melty.
You started off this video sucking off fighting games to an incredible degree and it came off as incredibly high-and-mighty then I stopped watching
the project m community definently deserves better than clips of them in the smash slander, its certainly not perfect but its very seperate to melee/ultimate
11:10 Daigo and Infiltration have both won multiple main stage tournaments at the same evo.
Daigo even did it twice.
John Choi wasn’t the only one.
Beautiful. Thank you!
Thank you for this coolio overview of the FGC, re-experienced a few moments/stories that I was already aware of and learned new stuffs as well! :D (Also honestly, at the time of me viewing along with the date this was posted I thought this would have way more views, feels super underrated)
I was literally crying at the epilogue that is how beautiful the community is and the video. I always curse myself for being born at the wrong time and wrong region but that is all meaningless the only thing that holds meaning is my journey for the future and the past.
You can always be part of the fighting game community. Participate in events. Never feel left out. Fighting games and community is so beautiful.
@@maforo85 Yeah Ik but my main region is like 500km and I have just turned 18 so college and all had to get it. So haven't got the freedon you know what I mean I have yet to experience it that is why I haven't went into any events. Also a keyboard player. But the community is lovely.
When I watched the intro of this video it made me think of when I was a kid in the late '90s and everyone in the whole house (adults and kids) what cram into one room and play Mortal Kombat on super NES all night, taking turns playing the winner. I think only a fighting game could have done that.
After watching the Smash part of the video, I greatly disagree. I do think the whole Bocchi ordeal was horrible just as you said, but do note this isn't specific to the Smash community. The FGC also has incidents like this with the recent LTG/CeroBlast drama with plenty of people looking for clout, and as much as I hate this it's practically unavoidable when a large amount of people is involved. It's also untrue to say that the Smash community don't welcome new players to rise to the top - Ultimate has a ton of those (Riddles, Maister, heck even Toast). The reason Melee players want their game is because it offers a very different experience that's more valuable to them, which actually made a lot of sense during the era of Brawl (which was clearly catered to casuals); the most apt FGC comparison I can probably think of is stopping Melty Blood from being run in a tournament due to the presence of UNICLR. And while I agree that FGC figures stand out to me more, the Melee gods and top players of the past and present are very valid personalities. If I'm being frank, that part of the video, along with the SonicFox chapter, seemed more like a personal preference rather than actual history. While I enjoy the FGC more as a community, the Smash Community is equally valid, and the two share many traits, both positive and negative. There's definitely points I agree with and this video is still amazingly made overall, but there was stuff I thought lacked insight for sure.
Sonic Fox taking off their hat is like Rock Lee taking off his weights
I straight up can't enjoy smash anymore because of the collective UTI that community has. I straight up played a CASUAL set against 2 tournament level players, utterly crushed them both(not trying to brag), and they both demanded to go into my games settings to see if I had some "comeback" mechanic enabled (I didn't, also I held the lead for the entirety of both sets so I literally wouldn't have gotten any bonus from it)
On top of that, one of them made me go into training mode to double check the damage and frames of my character's smash attacks
Like. I'm happy to go into training to lab some stuff and help a fellow player but I felt so icky after they both basically accused me of cheating or playing unfairly that I've lost any interest in playing smash competitively.
I really hope they get their shit together, Smash could be so much more than the toxic cesspool that it is right now.
So the community is bad because two people who play in tourneys are assholes?
The comments about Mango have not aged well haha I don't think he ever thought the best was behind him, he knew he always has what it takes to be the best any year.
This should’ve really been broken up into an eight or nine part series.
Some of the dialogue seems a tad pretentious, but the work that went into this is undeniable.
Great job.
Why is this video getting so much hate? This video talks about epic moments in history / what the fgc is about. It’s a great video. I understand some people hating the smash section just cause it’s to aggressive on them but I started in the smash community and everything said is mostly true. (Also hate seekers remember this comment is a question asking why the hate, not me choosing sides)
Thanks for the great video bro! Thoroughly enjoyed but I do think the take on Smash community was one of the most biased and misinformed I've ever come across. Not really a part of the scene anymore myself as I have other interests going on but I do think you only portrayed a very niche part of it as being "the scene." Smash ultimate had the teenager new comer "sparg0" come into the scene and become one of the best in the world and he was revered and celebrated as a crowd favorite. The Bocchi incident sure is sad and appalling and it's not the only thing that has gone massively wrong in the scene but it's not representative of the international scene as a whole. The vast majority of the scene is very friendly and most people I've met are the most socially conscious people I've met in any FGC scene.
The thing about Melee you have to understand is that it's a grass roots scene that has had to constantly battle against Nintendo who is trying to destroy it. It's a very different place to be in compared to many fighting game companies that celebrate and support their competitive scene.
I do agree that the smash scene is stubborn and allergic to drastic changes but I think it's understandable because it's something they've had to build themselves starting from "house rules" because the game isn't built for a competitive environment. This also makes it very dear to the players and they become protective. I understand it might look silly from the outside but Melee truly is a unique installation in the series and jumping from Melee to Ultimate is honestly a massive leap. Not saying one is better than the other but Ultimate lacks most things that Melee is celebrated for and Ultimate brings a lot of things to the table that Melee never could. I don't think it's any different from people who still play Third Strike because they don't enjoy the new installations. They are very different after all. And we did have almost all of the Melee gods move into Ultimate too so I think the argument is a bit unfair.
Anyways cheers and thanks for the great video!
Jesus, this was beautiful. So many great memories.
The smash section is so incredibly wrong
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The Smash section is so incredibly correct.
>latinx
brazilian here, pls stop
24:36 He's 36 there?? jfc, poor dude looks 46.
that's the most powerfual thing ever said, for REAL ?
Yes
Dawg that was beautiful
Watched this whole thing while practicing setplay and combos in Strive. God i want to improve so bad right now
With the time I spent in the FGC going to tournaments, nobody let any hate against any group go without backlash. And this was right before the 2020 smash allegations hit. So good on Ohio for supporting all players.
Great video
Personally i don’t see a problem with homophobia or sexism in the fgc. If you go on any straight male stream they get shitted on. I think the problem with the FGC is a modern one- people feel safe behind the internet. Im a tekken player and a grown adult but it’s always teenagers always calling me a bitch n***a when they lose convincingly . Honest People don’t care if you’re gay or woman they only care about your skills. Pick up your pad or stick and get on the grind and earn respect
People online also need to stop making winning or losing so damn important. Rank or losing sets online doesn’t matter, it’s not like money or sponsors are involved for the 99.9% of us. Who are above average at best. I wonder if the arcade scene at it’s peak faced the same toxicity as online play does.
Armada dropping out bc his controller is actually kinda understandable. Pro Melee controllers are usually insanely expensive custom made. Tldr the game is fucked in so many ways, making certain controllers better than others, so u cant really just get another one on demand
Great vid. Conclusion was a bit hammed to fit with the title but overall great
man, this video made me cry!
Another amazing video but this time covering my favorite game genre! also DAIGOOOOO
SonicFox was actually the first person id ever watched tournament play of, and it was his match against NinjaKilla, i believe it was EB and LK. Then i found out that he was a furry and was like "whoa thats cool"
Then i found out i was gay and NB, and THEN SONICFOX CAME OUT TOO.
man they just like me fr
Amazing video. Deserving way more exposure without a doubt.
Right at the beginning of this video and already I see you with that Tekken 2 Jun theme.
This video is underrated as hell. And also nice pfp.
Fantastic video, in particular I liked your critique of the smash communities regressive tendencies, I couldn’t agree more and there is still a mountain to climb before smash can be considered “inclusive” but I think they’re on their way and that is an encouraging thought.
On the one hand, many, many many many aspects and layers of this video are amazing and I LOVE that you made it. On the other hand.... implying multiple times that the FGC is homophobic etc. which is just not true anymore, making a massive deal about Alex Valle doing 'okay' at a touranment at age 36 like he's fucking ancient when for example Daigo is 42 and still kicking ass with absolutely no end in sight (and myself being in my 30s and just getting into fighting games seriously taking offense to that implication lmao), the way you dug around the 'dirty' parts of why Sonicfox owning as hard as they do and more FGC smack talk rather than just celebrating the player, randomly taking a hard detour into Smash and downplaying its entire community then bringing up a totally random universally distressing moment with the 15-year-old and pushing weird drama that didn't need to be brought up or showcased at all, being ageist AGAIN about Mang0, like... I eventually just had to stop watching lmao. Like, nice try, but you have some maturing to do before you can really pull off a vid like this. I do genuinely appreciate the attempt, though.
What is the Song name that is played during the daigo parry
ansolutely amazing video, deserves so much more love
27:46 The Valle moment makes me cry
It's horrible how freaks are ruining even the fighting game community
My first video I saw from you, what a first impression. Awesome video!
melee is the reason i play fighting games
What was the song playing during the epilogue?
The Smash section seemed hella biased, I'm not even a smash player but it came off as you picking out the worst bits of that community, for a video that seems like a love letter to fighting games its really odd that you'd pay so much attention to the negative side of Smash while ignoring all the great moments that has come out of that scene.
That's bc it is biased and I don't like smash there's not really much to it
@@Mehgic at that point why leave it in the video? You and I both believe Smash isn’t part of the FGC so why dedicate a large section of a video about the FGC to it, and then only talk about surface level negative stuff. Like if you’re gonna talk about Smash there was so much sick stuff you could’ve talked about but it was just depressing
@@CCuppy29nah facts, while the smash community does have mad problems (specifically ult idk why he lumped in melee while simultaneously acknowledging that they're different communities) they have a slew of great moments dating all the way back to 2004, if this is supposed to be a tribute to fighting games he could've talked about the melee community getting into evo 2013 through donations.
What is the piano song at the final concluding chapter?? I love it, when Ken throws the hat to Terry
Dude, fighting and plataform games are my favorite ones
Awesome video dood!
Good work!
Action button would like this video
Jesus Christ I’ve never seen Valle that young.
And yea, Sonic Fox is too good to deny as a great.
This was a good video man!
Amazing video:)
Looking forward to your next uploads
why is this video so quality subscribe
As a melee player I can only smh at the smash section.
Just saying: Melee and Ultimate are completely different scenes.
Being aware that comparing bullying a 15 year old with players staying with Melee because Brawl follows a completely different design philosophy is tonedeaf doesn't make it any better when you do it and therefore insult us Melee players for loving a game.
We (Melee Community) don't hate change, we are just forced to stay with Melee because no other game remotely comes close to what it is.
Also, in case you didn't know, Toph, who you included with a tweet where he calls out the Ultimate community, is one of the most important figures in the Melee community.
Also fuck Leffen.
Honestly the Smash section should have just been left out, it’s not exactly part of the FGC and Melee’s community is mostly separate from Ultimate’s. On top of that it felt more like an opinion piece than an actual account of memorable events that made the scenes feel alive. (Like how do you ignore the Wombo Combo?)
He aint wrong tho
You make it seem like a hush hush topic, which is why he included it
agreed. that whole section of the video just felt completely off track from the feeling of the previous chapters
If it wasn’t for EmpLemon’s documentary about Melee player HungryBox, I wouldn’t be playing fighting games.
Trash take. Melee is the GOAT
So Fighting Games are a philosophical journey too?
This video deserves millions of views
As someone in the fgc who's heart will always be with smash ultimate, it sucks so much how the majority of the smash community is. It's the most toxic and gross, probably because it has one of the younger fanbases, and it's just so fulk of drama, but holy shit, man, when i watched Maister take that game agaonst Onin with sora, whenever i watch Kameme's breakout run at Glitch Regen, when i see tweets announcing the new Smashcon or Summit winner, i can't help but scream. I hate the drama, and I *despise* how riddled the community is with 'phobes, sex pests, pedos, and various other kinds of gross peopld, but fuck its so good
I love smash
But holy shit what the fuck is wrong wjth melee players
I can't decide whether I'm delighted that Project M footage was interspersed in the Smash section or offended that the editing was used to make it the posterchild of how horrible and backwards the Smash community is even though the PM/P+ community is one of the chillest communities out there. We just wanna be left alone to play our game without being harassed by Nintendo.