Roland Fantom 6 vs Roland Fantom 06 | No Talking |
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6 For Studio Recording and 06 For Live
For me it would have to the flagship because of polyphony transition is less obvious then the 06 just my opinion!!! I want both flagship 8 for my studio and 6 for stage so I won’t have to keep breaking down my 6 when it’s to work!!!
6 For Live Performances and 06 Studio
There are differences, but subtle nuances, of course also in options.
The biggest difference: the price 😄
As far as sounds go its too close to justify twice the price for the Fantom. But then the memory and features make a more clear distinction. It just depends on your preferences and if you would utilize them to justify the investment....
I love them both 👍
Amazing playing and melodies. Thank you so much for the comparison. I’m a novice when it comes to keyboard/music production but have recently gotten back into recording after very long multiple year hiatus. Currently messing around with Juno DS 61 and Jupiter Xm, was eyeing the Fantom 6 as the Big Papa Bear to complete the trifecta - but the price always held me back and simply couldn’t justify. After watching this awesome video, Fantom 06 it is! Then back to the studio to jam and create…. Cheers
Did you get your Fantom?
I'd love one... I'm still playing away on the Juno Gi
When only comparing sounds they will sound identical just like comparing Modx vs Montage o Nautilus vs Kronos, the differences are in memory capacity and materials used in the more economical versions they are more plastic in the build plus no aftertouch and other faders, switches, and outputs on the lower end versions as far as factory sounds they sound the same.
Looking into buying the 06 very soon and after watching this I’m even more excited 😁😁😁
Just Wow! Stunning playing. I've the Fantom 06. I don't know much about playing pr actually anything about Synthesizers. I❤ electronic music and my dream is always have been to become a DJ. I wish I could play as You someday. Anything is possible right? I just need to dive in!
Im still using my fantom G6
I can sample the sound still works out good
And servicing every year basic maintenance
Thank you fantom
Hi, that sounds interesting, thank you. What kind of annual maintenance or servicing is it that you mean? Thank you for a brief hint. I am still thinking about getting a 2nd hand G8, thats where the question comes from. Thank you.
I live in Goa, India close to coastal area
I need to take care of my electronic items
Terminator theme was sick. Just bought the Fantom 06, can't wait for it to arrive. Thanks for this demo
He could have used that timbre too to play "Blade Runner opening title".
Excellent review.... 👍🏻
Hey DKS Its Nice Comparision its cool thaks for your efforts I request to know some more tones like Bass Guitar & Guitar family , & Brass family & Film Orchestra Tones Could you please make one more video, Thanks In Advance
Great Job...Thanks
Great playing!
To me, the 6 has a little bit more punch over the 06. Seems richer with sharper/crisper highs. Very, very close though. But I can hear a difference. But for the price, the 06 is incredible!
Thank you!
Yes! They are very close, but of course the 6 is a little better with sound quality!
If you record the same sounds through usb it's the exact same.
@@DNGMaestro Exactly. Or better yet just record the MIDI and use the Roland Zenology plugin which gives you access to all of the Fantom's sounds for free (with purchase of a Fantom)!
@@kmjansen is this true? not with fantom-0 I think?
@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB Nonsense. Do a blind comparison. You can't tell the difference.
I still consider in this travel package a robust memory to handle as an identification number, more buttons on the panel, better keys and with aftertouch, bigger, the V-piano engine... I see that it makes up for the difference, yes.
Awesome! Is there a way to tweak/improve/upgrade the main piano tone in the Fantom 0?
Just a litle difference but are the same quality of sounds. Very similars.
Thx for the demo.
Obviously the difference would be in the control features. All these newer units sound flirtingly too each other. If I didn't already have the Juno Ds and FA-06 I'd probably get it.
ciao e grazie per le informazioni riguardo le tastiere. vorrei chiederti un parere se vuoi secondo le tue conoscenze. posseggo una roland fa 06, avendo visto in giro questa fantom 06 vorrei sapere se vale la pena cambiarla, tenendo presente che la cambierei solo per i suoni sintetizzati e non per altre cose. oppure sarebbe meglio andare sulla nord wave 2 riguardo ai sint? grazie tante per una tua eventuale risposta. buona estate. ciao
Beautiful beasts !
super , ty for that inow what to choose , dont need spend so much money ))
Great comparation thanks I can feel the difference sound.
Здравствуйте! Я приобрёл FA 08 три года назад. Вы не подскажете почему через некоторое время, около года использования использования этого синтезатора (DAW), неожиданно вдруг пропал сигнал из выхода SUB OUTPUT? Как его можно восстановить? ( то есть при подключении наушников в этот разъем звука нет вообще, и при подаче на любой электронный девайс тишина).. Я уже делал возврат к заводским настройкам, но это не помогло..
7:00 sounds like Terminator theme 😀 great video 👍
Congratulations on the video. Have you tested the jupiter 8 and Juno 106 expansion for the Fantom 0? Did you manage to analyze if the output sounds the same as physical keyboards?
Hi, yes I have all the 4 models into the fantom-0 but i don’t have a jp8 or juno 106 to make a comparison. But they are really good ;)
the 6 gives the nuance, which opens my heart much wider. Great video, very valuable - THANK YOU
Os synths chegam com mais força quando tocados no Fantom. Porém isso ja era esperada, possui saídas de áudio melhores acredito eu. Tenho um fantom 08, estou gostando dele. Logo menos testarei nos palcos.
Lovely machine.. This is giving much inspiration I see from magical powers to invite pleasure to ear..
4 internal chips for sound engines vs 2 on 06. Better quality keyboard on fantom too. Plus the piano on the fantom doesn't count toward the polyphony - it's entirely separate, so there's lots to consider - both great machines. Plus if weight is an issue the 0 series is about half the weight of its big brother. Fantom 7 somes in at almost 40 lbs, yikes. Most because it's metal body and not plastic as is the O series (thought both well built I'm told). I have MODX7 and probably would prefer to have gotten the Fantom 7 now. Would love the Fantom, but pricing is kind of a cold shower deal LOL.
For live player which is recommended? 06?
I've seen side-by-sides of original fantom vs. 0x fantoms and others it sounds like the originals are significantly better-sounding. However, I've noticed that a) comparisons tend to have the lighter-version on top (more awkward play posture) and b) the lighter version is going to have worse key-feel that may affect expressiveness, especially for a concert pianist type player. Based on this vid, I would guess that if you patched the original fantom vs. the lighter 0x version as the playback sound module, and used any high-quality keybed for performance (controller), then the sounds will be identical (they're literally the same sound engine doing the same thing -- maybe the original Fantom might have a better digital-analog converter and instrument line-level sound output stage...).
great video
Schiller?!? Awesome! First ever time I heard anyone do a Schiller clip!
😉😉
I have (obsolete) Fa 07 and there..... is a big difference but I changed some parameters, put it through MPC One and the difference doesn't matter. Besides I like this old fashion sequencer in my Fa.
FA is far from obsolete. It's still the premier live performance board here in JPN. You wont see the -0 series used anywhere, comparatively. Somewhat similar to the reason you listed, as well as the more noticeable poly wall on the Fantom series being such a handicap to it's potential capability. Note drop is such a chore on them.
Hi, since the 06 was only 250mb for expansions, could I use a pendrive with more capacity and place the expansions there to be loaded on the Fantom 06 from the USB port ?
No, you only have that 256mb for exz, exm and samples and can’t be expanded
The difference in the sound is purely a slight EQ adjustment. If you’re using the 06 for the sounds alone and don’t need the V-Piano function in the 6, and if you using a DAW to track like Logic, Pro Tools, Ableton ect. the 06 would work just fine in my opinion.
I've got a DKS library... but I don't believe it has the Tonewheel Organ.
Is that available for purchase?
the tonewheel is available only on part 2 :) I don't have created any patch with the tonewheel of Fantom ;)
Hi Dany!!!!!...In my opinion, no huge differences between the "beast" Fantom and the "little" Fantom except for the first piano sound Classic Brilliant. There the Fantom is richer than the little, however in the other cases no differences , even if i shoud play the video with headphones :)
My personal point..feel free to say me "come on Chris don't joke :)"...the DKS MK80 Chorus sound is richer in Fantom0, i don't know if i'm crazy or deaf (maybe it's possibile :) but i love this sound from Fantom0 than Fantom..
They both sound great though. I love roland. I had the roland xp 60 for years. It was a beast.
the Fantom has a better / different piano engine (V-Piano). The PCM and VA Analog sounds should be much the same.
Ok. So I watched many videos and I know the differences between them. I meed to buy this keyboard in couple days. All what I care about is the “SOUND”. I meed not only play sounds but edit it, modified it until I find the perfect sound. Need to control the sound in many ways. I do not like to go to any software. I like everything done in keyboard. My question is: regardless the price differences, does Fantom 6 worth the extra $1500 and will it going to makes a big difference over the 06 for my need?
Różnica praktycznie żadna w brzmieniu. Niektórzy uważają, że F6 ma dźwięk bardziej agresywny. Pewnie to ci, którzy już kupili sobie F6 i teraz plują sobie w brodę 😁
Do pracy w studiu, tak samo nadaje się F06, jak i F6. Również live brzmi rewelacyjnie 👍
No,brzmienia identyczne niemalże,a cenowo jeszcze raz tyle flagowiec;-),no i jest szerszy,ma więcej tych gałek...i napewno bebechy mocniejsze,ale żeby aż taka rożnica w cenie?! Czy warto dopłacać? hehehe...
Thanks.
Una delle migliori serie in commercio in questo momento la Phantom punto Comunque i suoni sono bellissimi, e in questo caso sono gli stessi per due tastiere, ma la differenza fra le due macchine c'è...
How are the key actions between the two? I played a Fantom 6 current model in the store and it felt like pure class and luxury with both the keybed and switches/buttons
Different action, the action on the 06 is good but lighter and without aftertouch.
Hello how are you ?? Is there any possibility of changing the sound without cutting off the previous sound that is playing? Can you explain in a video how to make it not cut??? or can not be?? Thanks bro. your videos are very good
Yes you can, you find that part into the global setting of fantom 0 ( and you can use only 8 parts instead of 16)
How much for 6 61keys
I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but the sounds are going to be the same, no? Maybe there are some DA converter differences, but comparing a Fantom with a Fantom-0 is like comparing the Fantom to Roland's Zenology Cloud Suite 🤷♂. Love your channel though!
Yes, this comparison was recorded because they have different price and different D/A converters :) (and also some other difference)
Yeah, we know you can play.
The sounds pretty much close to both versions.
I was hoping there will be a comparison of the futures and options, not the sound.
Does the bottom one have weighted keys and the top none?
That "looks" like the only difference, but it comes across in the playability...
Nope, both synth action/semi weighted action, different action between fantom and fantom-0
The Fantom appears to have more bottom end than the 06 and a bit more body to the sound overall.
Are these the Factory sounds or DKS Sounds?
Thx
ElectricEdddie
All the sounds named with DKS are mine and you can buy at my website, there you can find a redirect on synthonia.com ;)
What do you all recommend for an external speaker(s)? Can one speaker output stereo? etc...
As a Studio Monitors? It depends on your budget ;) I love Genelec monitors but I also used EVE Audio and they are also great speakers!
They both have the same engines, how are they supose to sound different?
I have the Fantom 6 and having trouble finding the DKS Piano Long Rev patch
Custom made sound :) available at my website with other sounds ;)
Someone said the keys are shorter/smaller on the "O" series. Know anything about that? Perhaps only applies to the 88 key models?
I've already asked about it. I got the answer that the keys are normal (not shortened) but the quality of the keybed is not high ....
Same lenght for 61/76 and the 88 is also standard, the 88 has the same action of rd88, and the 61/76 a new action very playable (similar to FA07 but little bit softer)
@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB how do you compare dynamics between new fantom 06/07 and FA07? (if you remember how it was 😀). Do you think they improved semi-weighted action in terms of dynamics? Can you play a piano sounds with satisfaction with the semi-weighted action? Grazie. Ciao!
The keybed of the FA07 is considered by many to be vastly superior to the revised edition in the -07 Fantom. But if you're especially sensitive you should try it in person. As preference really varies. As an example PHA-50 is fitted to the flagship 88 but many here actually prefer the response of the 'cheaper' PHA-4. You can competently play piano (exam grading) on boards with far greater inferiority than these - it simply isn't ideal. So go with your personal preference down to the letter.
The only thing I can say is the only tone that I could tell the difference was in the SN acoustic Piano!!! The high in the 06 was brighter the the flagship and the low in I the flagship was fuller mid range was thicker then the 06 other then that all the other comparisons were the same to me!!!
There is definitely a difference in quality of the output of the two..but very minimal.if you listen on headphones...the big fantom feels a bit more big nd wide, less muddy in my ears..mainly wen Synth sounds are played..but again..i think it will be very difficult to tell between the 2 in a live situation wen auditioning on speakers..
At half or even less than half the price of th fantom, the zero series is definitely a steal..
Yes, but the only problem of 0 series is that you have to buy all the 4 models for extra money.. ;)
@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB now tht i din't know..thanks 👍
For me it's sounds exactly the same, except a light difference on the reverb quality (or level) ....
thank you for video ,there is very noticeable difference in sound dynamic ,and who saying its not, go get better headphones or speakers and better DA converters
Both keyboards equally sounds cool
pouca diferença entre eles, com toda banda tocando fica praticamente igual... só muda as teclas e conversor A/D e construção e recursos.
Most of the sounds here sound identical to each other. I think there might be specialty sounds that the fantom might have that might sound better but the sample playback seems identical.
Made up for the Juno DS with the fantom 0. The Juno DS was a bit disappointed. This 0 series sounds just like the flagship so unless you're sound editing, either one is fine unless one is "picky" far as build quality and key beds. Definitely won't have that issue with me. I just recently bought an x50 over a triton le. A picky keyboardist would never. 😂😂😂😂
I got to admit, I have the Fantom 0 but I find that although the sounds are more realistic on the newest Fantoms, I think that my XP-50 in terms of sound sounds way better.
Agreed the older Roland gear sounds much better than this
They are destroying the Ear of the new generation with these Phatoms like the difference between the .wav & old Turntables & the MP3, poor new generation they will think that this is the best sounds but it’s not
Seems what they all have the same engine and must sound identical (in case of identical DAC). SN pianos both the same and very limited - 1/3 expansions (no string resonance, and weak damper res or no at all, no SN piano tweakings)- it even was more complex in Integra/FA series devices. But F6 has an advantage - complex V-Piano engine - just like inside Roland RD2000 keyb(and it could be interesting to hear it against simplier SN pianos). F06 seems to have very cheap keys (like basic Casio keyboards with a lack of detailness). So it almost imposible to play piano tones properly. Of course F0 will sound at a completly different angle if you will connect to it something like an 88 hammer keyboard with aftertouch...
Close enough for me.
Cuál es el modelo nuevo
It's like the Fantam 6's internal master EQ is flat and the Fantom 06's has a midrange cutoff, it takes away power and presence from the 06's sound.
output hardware's diferences
The FANTOM x sounds better to me than the 0. It has a warmth and depth to it that I can’t describe.
Lol. You're talking b.s. All the sounds demonstrated here are done with the exact same sound engine. You WANT the ''big Fantom" to sound better. But it doesn't.
@@Frontdesk99 the engine might be the same but the key beds are different and it’s enough to make the sound slightly different as well. It’s not obvious but it’s there.
@@9bridges Ok that's the first time I heard that a KEYBED can alter the SOUND of a synthesizer HAHAHAHA
@@Frontdesk99 yea it can. Every detail counts. I’ve owned hundreds of keyboards and synths. The keys make a difference the same way weighted keys on an electric piano does.
The 6 is a bit warmer feeling than the 06 and funkier. Unless I'm bananas.
06 is one of the best 'budget' workstations next to Korg Nautilus. Roland has a much nice user interface and a lot more controllers. The 6 has the ability to handle the latest updates though and far more storage for additional sound sets. Still wishing Roland took the Jupiter X and added the full Fantom system into it, along with a giant touch screen! Jupiter 80 was the same issue. Amazing sound engines, but no workstation and not nearly enough controllers. Roland has the making of a next gen workstation. Instead, four years later, we still have the same core Fantom software with a couple nice upgrades. :( Montage starts looking better and better. M6 is killer and only $500 more than the Fantom 6. Loyal to Roland, but maybe not this round!
Me fascina más el sonido del fantom 6, qué pero veo que en precios existe mucha diferencia. Claro que la producción de Roland en equipos más antiguos suena mejor como el Roland jupiter, juno 6, 106 y que ni hablar del jupiter 4 son leyenda de musica.
Ok, so on the engines that they share, they both sound basically identical. But if you want the N/Zyme engine or the V-Piano engine, than you need the bigger one. And even on the shared plugins, the limited memory of the 06 means that you can't load all of them at once. This is an interesting comparison, but the fact that they sound identical doesn't mean that they really are identical in every respect.
You can load all the 4 EXM on the Fantom-0, you have less space for EXZ.. the cons it’s that you have to pay extra money for the jp8, juno106, sh101 and jx8p models on the F-0. And yes no v piano and no N/Zyme
@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB Well, yeah. If you spend an extra $600, than you can buy the synth model expansions and load them all. But there are more than a dozen EXZ expansions (the old EX sound cards from the XV series) and you won't be able to load any of these unless you unload a model expansion first. And that assumes that you don't use any memory for user samples, as this is also shared with the expansions. And, as I mentioned, a couple of engines are not available at all. Basically, if you plan to make extensive use of expansions or samples, than you should budget for the bigger Fantom. Also, the pianos on the Fantom-0 don't support damper or string resonance (only the V-Pianos), so if realistic pianos are a key point for you, than, again, the big Fantom would be much better.
I only listened, didn't look at the video, and the only 2 sounds I could definitely tell when you switched between keyboards was the piano and the e-piano.
Everything else I was unable to tell the difference.
And this is not the first time I've seen this kind of a comparison. It seems like for very little you pay a very premium price.
I mean, I realise the build quality is different on the Fantom 6, as well as the action on the keys, but the 06 is sold for around £1000 and the 6 is sold for somewhere between £2600-£3000. Not sure why you would pay so much more for so little difference.
And the differences are even smaller if you go for the 08 which costs around £1500. You get very similar build quality and weighted keys. So... 🤷♂
What is the difference???
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Un cambio con una cobalt 8 🙂
Schiller on end ... :)
Yes 😉
Are you part of the Schiller Band?
Unfortunately not 😉
@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB but undoubtedly a fan, I hear ;-)
@@windsormusic absolutely yes!
I think that 30% more quality not justify 300% more price.
I still consider in this travel package a robust memory to handle as an identification number, more buttons on the panel, better keys and with aftertouch, bigger, the V-piano engine... I see that it makes up for the difference, yes.
why should they sound different? It’s Zencore inside 🤷🏼♂️
Less memory, different DA Converter… ;)
@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB I doubt that makes a significant difference 🤷🏼♂️
@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB lol on voit ca ici
Очень похожи, но 06 чуть-чуть лучше
Hardly any difference between the two really
Yeah, but they are identical in their sounds and effects. It is exactly the same engine except for a couple of cases.
hear the difference in the quality of the keyboard itself
hyperventilate, respect
2:28
06 almost sounds chunkier in a bad way
same sound ! so why two different models ?
Because Fantom-0 is way cheaper than Fantom and for less money you can have basically the same instrument.
With this video you can hear that they sound 99% the same
@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB true, it's almost the same, except for pianos ! thank you
Sound the same, stop trying to said that the fantom6 sound better than the fantom06 .
The real improvements are: better keys and construction, more ports on the back, more models inside (v piano, n/zyme..) and more memory inside and double the BMC power (4 bmc’s on fantom and 2 on fantom-0). But yes they sound really close
@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB The Fantom has a bigger touchscreen I think? I even heard that four models of the Roland Cloud synths are included for free when you buy the big one .. for the O6,O7 and O8 you have to buy these seperately. Is this truth? And also missing the analog section in the small ones ... But love the sounds of both of them... still struggling which one to buy ..
Id hazard a guess that even if they use the same sounds the DAC’s will be different, so thats where the difference is IMO. Both stand up in the own right and will get the job done.
I hear almost no difference. Only the Fantom 6 sounds better because of aftertouch
😱😱😱 distortion
Exact same sound generator, just different a build quality not to insult the buyers' cost of the top model.
The real Fantom has more body to the sound than the Fantom 0. They said that the Fantom 0 would sound as good as the real Fantom, but it doesn't.
@Simbor Nabor The other sounds of the real Fantom also sound richer than those on the Fantom 0. It's the difference between cutting throug a mix or not.
To my deaf ears both sounds the same if you are not trying find a bone in a d**k......
I would say, sounds are the same
I hear no difference imho its some filter that makes sound sound more oomp if its same technology Id expect same results from both devices
oui dis toi ca pour rester tranquille...meme ci il y avait une différence...le 06 suffit largement pour faire un morceau..apres tu as des effet sur pc qui arrangeront ca ..alors achette le plus cher mais c'est pas ce qui te sauvera dans un mix
Old Fantom g is better than both new fantom
06=6
06 keyboard is a little cheesy
Some. Keyboard. Not mach different .
06 powered by adaptor and only 6 kg..........6 powered by ac cord and weight is 15+ kg.........light weight no good.
kind of pointless since both have the exact same presets.. ;-)
No aftertouch! 😡😠🤬
The Zencore technology dont convince me..I dont Know wht hapen with this fantastic name since xp 80 jupiter 8 etç. The design is good -But design is not sound--
The Rolando O pianos sound cheesy not enough depth. Sounds like an intro level piano. Doesn’t compete with the the actual Fantom. Disappointing. I was considering purchasing a Rolando O. Pianos are too weak. Thanks for the video!