You will be one of the first trusted channels to buy the INEOS, people will trust your review and observations. People will buy or not buy a future INEOS on your word. Happy Sunday
Hi Vera and Christian, Please just stay making your beautiful and wonderfully informative videos about Land Rovers. The Disco 3&4 section of our Australian LR owners site; AULRO has an endless amount of fascinating topics that you could explore. Your original, unique style complements the quirky Land Rover owners world so perfectly! I am unable to see that transitioning to a Grenadier, nor to a new Defender. I love your work! Please keep it going. You’re just the best. With very best wishes, Jeffrey.
The only time to buy a new car is when the second model is released and only then you look for a second hand version with low kilometers and looked after.
I bought a ‘Defender’ Land Rover 110 in 1984, the first year of build but one of the first with wind-up windows and the 2.5 diesel. Ran it for 22 years before it simply wore out. Same goes for the Land Cruiser 100 diese. Bought one of the first off the boat in September 1998 and it is still on my yard, admittedly not moved for the last three years due to necessary repairs being unviable. Nevertheless it served me well for over 200,000 miles with excellent reliability. Also my father bought a brand new model in 1993, a Isuzu Trooper 3.1 Citation. Again this was run for 18 years with very few problems, then scrapped. No regrets buying any of them and several more.
@@hedydd2 Yes, I use to do that too - buy brand new and run them to the ground whilst maintaining them correctly. Not now though. I save a large percentage of the new purchase price buying used and run them to the ground. Cars from the last 30 years or so last a long time if looked after.
@@damo137 That's why you don't buy a older toyota...waiting for the thing to break down could mean many years between episodes. I'm actually glad they are in a circumstance where Defenders are a viable option - they get to do things on engines (and cars as a whole) that is very entertaining, informative and educational.
Fantastic! Just what I was thinking, and my pre-order is about to arrive at my US dealer so this is sooo timely. Short answer (after 2d guessing a lot since my “off-roading” will be of the light variety for which a number of other cars could do) I’m IN! Given the solid quality of known top component suppliers and the Magna Styr design team, I have great confidence. Long warranty and a 61 billion $ company name on it, they’re not going to collapse. Now to pay for it…..
Guys, LR Time is the two of you. What ever vehicle you opt for I / we will be watching you and your adventures. Your both fun, informative and hands on with ideas and repairs. Keep doing what you do and how you do it. Good luck with your choice.
I don’t care what you guys buy even if you changed to house renovations I think you would make them as technical as possible Christian and Vera would still make us all laugh at to What ever content you make will be fun to watch even washing machine maintenance
I have ordered one. I think the level of research and development that has gone into the creation of the Grenadier specifically relevant to what the use intention was at the core. I loaded up the options to pretty much everything I know I will use even periodically. I have quite a bit of confidence in the final product first run for a few reasons. First of all, the facility they ended up with to manufacture this vehicle was set up initially buy the manufacturing engineers at Mercedes. These folks spared no expense in that facility and the crew that went along with the deal has tremendous experience building high quality vehicles. Next, the inspiration for the vehicle was a highly specific to its intended use, not how to make a profitable car or truck. The question was “can we make a use specific vehicle in a financially sustainable way?”. That’s the way every successful product ever made had long term survival. Lastly, they selected all the core components to be of the best quality from companies with proven track records of long term strength. I’m all good with my decision. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
Guys i love your videos and will continue watching irrespective of cars featured ( i never owned a land rover anyway) . As far as the Grenadier is concerned i already ordered one with November build date (fingers crossed). i am willing to trust the engineers on this one because i think a lot of work went into it.
You make some interesting points in this video, especially about the cost to own one of these. Personally I couldn't go for a new unproven vehicle from job 1, and especially from an organisation with no apparent service or support infrastructure. Having said this I can see your argument and how this could be interesting for the channel. As someone who recently bought a Toyota after disappointing experiences with German cars that have become over-complicated and unreliable IMO. In the context of my last BMW masterpiece of Chinesium and plastic, Land Rover are starting to appear as not that bad. I hope the Grenadier designers have kept it as simple as possible and not buried it in junk quality parts. So, you have my vote to get one and educate/entertain us. Given your honesty and no nonsense options they should provide you with a Grenadier FOC. Whatever you decide to do, good luck and thank you both. Cheers from London
Land Rover had a real opportunity to make a 4wd for all people, but then they blew it by going upmarket. If they followed the recipe of the Landcruiser 70 series or even the Suzuki Jimny they would have a best seller. All they had to do is right all the wrongs of the old Defender. Like not being squashed up against the driver's door or having the window down to steer it.
They have done all of that but having decided to abandon the traditional farmer’s and utility’s workhorse type vehicle in favour of ‘private transport’ SUV type vehicles, what do you expect? They do offer the ‘Hardtop’ van version but it is grossly overpriced compared to the passenger version and as a result will only sell in very low volumes. Business buyers are not generally easily taken for mugs.
True, though they would have trouble meeting emission requirements. A good trade off would have been PSA's DW12 blown up to bigger power. It would have run rings round the Land Rover reliability-wisely and lighter and cheaper costwisely and the rest electricals be done by Suzuki.
I love the New and Improved VERA! She looks great! Chris is the lucky man! Your inside details, price comparisons, and choice of vehicles are a good starting point for anyone who wants to get a Grenadier or a 4-door Defender ( disco 5 in reality). Keep up the great work! Danke und alles gute!
Interesting video 👍🏻 I think the Grenadier is too much of an unknown at this stage. It's an uncertain time with rising fossil fuel prices and increasing electrification. Have you you considered the ride of beam axles vs air suspension too? I think the attraction of this channel is that you have an affordable vehicle and you do amazing things with it. This inspires others others because these things possible for them too. Grenadier videos could be interesting but I think your core audience is probably here for the Disco stuff. I may be wrong, I have been many times before! 😄
nope you're right core video watchers are here to see repairs, fixes and upgrades. can only do upgrades on a new vehicle. will end up losing content and viewers
Brilliant idea for the channel. Grenadier would give you loads of content as many like me will be looking for support in our maintenance. I am in the uk and placed a reservation for the trial master and got a delivery date in October.
Vera / Christian go for the Grenadier with the skills you both have and a new vehicle to the market owners will be desperate to upgrade add gadgets etc etc perfect to grow your channel and i for one would love to see that happen, great vlog as usual best of luck to you both whatever the decision.
@@rydinorwin I don't agree. We have involved in the Grenadier Forums on all kind of platforms, and have been in direkt contact through email,and they definitely show interest. 🙋♀Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian You are better informed than me! I thought the Grenadier is a low volume vehicle, but your mods. are the best! I saw a video about Aptera 3 wheeled electric car and their philosophy is very much to encourage owners to maintain/mod or themselves.
Have to be honest I didn’t think I was up for this type of content but I enjoyed it so much. I would disagree with only one thing. I would say that you’re very rich indeed not with money maybe but in so many ways and that’s the most important thing. Keep up the good work.
Grenadier engine info is excellent because BMW did the hard work already! I would love to see you guys go for it, but my worry is that economically we're on thin ice globally. I suspect the bean counters at Ineos would press pause if they had a choice.
It’s not as good as claimed. There’s plenty of issues with that engine. But there’s a far bigger issue than that. It’s the wrong engine for a heavy 4x4. Ask anyone who owned a Range Rover when they were powered by BMW 6 pots.
I dont trust very many people with the service or maintenance of my 1993 Range Rover. The dealership network made this easy when they said they no longer service them. Enjoyed this video. Too expensive for me to order a Grenadine.
Hi Christian and Vera, good luck with your decision, but for me there are too many unknowns with the Ineos Grenadier. I would stick with the D3 and D4 because you know what you get and you can fix any problems in the future.
My sister is an accountant for Ineos here in Canada, has been on trips with the boss and his family. She is hoping to get an early release model to do some testing in the Rocky Mountains. I will report back with any findings if this comes to fruition. While I don't expect it to keep up with our Jeeps, It seems like a great platform for overlanding.
That is a lot of comments, I’ll add a brief one. I have ordered my pig in a poke. Hope to get a nice Christmas present. Love your videos, if you get a Grenadier I will look forward to the videos you will no doubt produce. Keep up the good work and get yourself a good coffee maker.
Excellent video, depreciation would be the thing to consider for me, if you could wait until after the release of INEOS maybe see if they have any major issues, we know you have the skills to rebuild and carry out essential maintenance on any used off roader. So a relatively new used one might be better, I’m basis this on your excellent engineering knowledge. Thanks Vera and Christian.
We definitely wait until we had the chance to drive one ourselves first. And as for major issues, well that would be kind of our content. So we don't shy away from that. 😅👍🙋♀Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian l would never be confident in buying a new release vehicle without it being tested in the real world for at least 1 year, that was until my Defender 90 Td5 l'd had from new had terminal chassis corrosion and l needed a replacement, 13 months after paying my deposit and no test drive l picked up a new Jimny, so far no problems but l would like an lneos if they brought out a 2 door model.
I ordered one on the first day possible in UK. I now have it, and it's all I wished for - superb off road and makes me smile every time I get into it - just like all my many Defenders for the last 30 years. Just a shame that LR do not make a "Defender" anymore. Ineos kept to their quoted price at the time of my deposit, so I am happy with that. I love LR, but they do not make a car I want anymore, this is my modern alternative and I am more than happy.
In Australia, one of the earliest largest 4 WD markets, there are some ssyings; 1. If you want to get to the Outback, take a Land Rovrr. If you want to get back, take a Toyota. 2. What is a Toyota? A Land Rover recovery vehicle. ( and G Wagons are defeated by the Canning Stock Routes. A Landcruiser was the support vehicle, without failure)
Would be interesting with the grenadier as it is a new vehicle. A bit early to say but with well proven engines, gearbox, brake and suspension parts this should be long lasting and reliable offroad vehicle. Your videos provide innovating and interesting ways to tackle the problems most owners will encounter. Keep up with this great channel, I for one will still be watching.
Super enjoyable video Vera and Christian. I have a preorder with a projected build of October 22. I live in Tasmania and I reckon there are about 4-5 Grenadiers headed this way of the first build models. I have enjoyed your videos so much, always fun and I just admire your positive attitudes to life. I have an LR4 which is a great car with all the problems we all know but some incredible features that I don’t know will ever be replicated again in a newer car. The Grenadier could have learnt from the true flat floor, the brilliant tailgate opening, the 2 rear seats that fold into nothing, the classic rugged dash and dials. Other than that it looks incredible I for one, would be absolutely thrilled to see you guys get a Grenadier. You would become such a valuable research and support tool for us all and a great community hub for Grenadier owners. Keep up the great work you and I must say sometimes the videos of fixing or changing the little things are often the very best
Go for the Ineos Grenadier! You two, Christian and Vera, are the perfect people to have one to show us how good they will be. I can’t wait for you to get it.
Keep the D3 and the D4. Then when the engine goes in the D4, just replace it with another one or rebuild it and don't worry about it and save your money 👍 if you buy an IG, then at lease wait for the 2nd wave of production never buy the first ones let others take the pain.
The video you guys made of test driving the new Defender and the Grenadier..there was a big difference in being a passenger.The Land Rover was very smooth like an old Cadillac the Ineos was broom bam boom broom bum bam.
man, you guys are so funny. You could easily be on America late night talk show. And, you know and I know the cow on the other mountain will never get less expensive. It will ALWAYS be more expensive.
You have obviously carried out a great deal of research into the Grenadier and are happy to highlight your concerns, despite appearing to have already made up your minds that this is the car for you. I thought it was interesting that you were honest enough to show that in some categories, the Land Rover Defender excelled, most would not mention this. I suppose the big question has to be why you want to purchase this vehicle? If it is for UA-cam content will it give you what you want? For example, as a new vehicle it is unlikely to need major repair/maintenance so this may limit your output. You will also be in a sea of UA-cam content that will be offering advice/upgrades to the Grenadier once it has launched and some of these will be from professional outfits that offer products for sale. As things stand for me, I am and will remain a subscriber to this regardless what you decide as I find not just the content but the interaction between you both an absolute pleasure to watch. I'm sure that whatever direction you go in, assuming the Grenadier ever gets in to mass production, you will continue to have a loyal audience here every week. 😃
Great discussion! The high enviro concerns are crucifying the cost of this vehicle in Ireland. Vat & VRT tax (highest bracket) is putting out over €115k+ for the Belstaff model. Road tax will be couple of grand no doubt per year. If you have the money to buy it and wrap it in plastic and leave it on the driveway, it might make sense as an investment🤷🏼♂️ to buy it as any everyday driver, you need very deep pockets. IE is unique in the EU for taking the fun out of car ownership 😫 I still want one mind 🤪
You have the same thoughts of me that it might go up in price if you don't order early on! the flip side is that it will probably have a few problems to work out in the first version! be interesting to hear your thoughts about it compared to the LR3. For me the Lr3 is more practical with the flexible seating, slip folding tail gate etc but the IG will be more robust and reliable :)
Good choice. I have to confess that after the LR4 had another suspension fault happening only when I go off road, and spent 2 weeks trying to diagnose the fault, I sold the thing. It already ruined my easter holiday, and with the summer holiday coming, I trade it in for a Wrangler plug in hybrid, that was on stock with a very good deal on i.t It will replace 2 cars, the LR4 and my daily driver as well. 50 km electric is more than enough for my comute. So far I love the thing, off roading in Portugal at the moment. I watch the videos for you guys, no matter what vehicle you decide to own. Good luck with your new project.
Never EVER buy a new car... of any make... might as well burn money in your driveway... new car prices are all ridiculous, as soon as you drive it out of the dealer it lost at minimum 10% of what it cost you... Christian as absofuqinlutely right about their pricing procedure, love you guys, keep buying used LandRovers just work your way through and stay about 10-15yrs behind, and keep showing your trips, they're wonderful!
I'm pretty sure no matter what vehicle the two of you guys get, at the very end your videos are excellent 👌, As an old mechanic from my town like to say ".. it's not the vehicle, is that part sitting between the steering wheel and the driver seat" 😎.
@@Vera_and_Christian I love the concept of the Grenadier but wouldn't touch the first model of any new car. If they get to sort out a few things and have a major update I would be interested. Living in Australia the only real go anywhere vehicle we have to choose from is the darn 70 series thing that Christian nows nothing about. Even the Defender is too soft for the outback. Enjoy your summer as we are in the depths of winter here ......... I just had to shut the backdoor as temp just dropped to 16c ❄ ❄ ❄ ❄ ❄ ❄ ❄ ❄
The problem with ‘self service’ on a new car is the diagnostics lag many years behind especially with a new manufacturer, unless Ineos use a generic diagnostic device you will struggle to do so much and most early problems are software, firmware or electrical in nature, the stuff you can do at home is mechanical but this should be many years away from being a problem.
My D250 (2021) First Edition 110 was around the same price (68k, and it only went up the last 12 months). I guess you are right about the pricing of this grenadier, they will go up. It would be great UA-cam content for sure! - go for it :) You will probably gonna miss the LR “feeling” and of course the air suspension (the defender air suspension is not the same like in the LR3/4) but I can understand the desire here to get a grenadier. I will keep enjoying my 110 for now and buy the grenadier fuel cell version when it hits the market ;)
I enjoyed this discussion. Very well thought out, and explained. It confirms many of my own thoughts. I own, and love an LR4. However, I reserved a NA Grenadier on day 1.
as a Land Rover owner, LR time is my favourite channel. and i love watching both of you. if you start with INEOS Grenadier , im not sure my interest will remain
We cannot be pressured by anyone. If someone threatens to unsubscribe, then be it. We have so many who love us for who we are. Also my Discovery 3 will not go anywhere. I don't think a lot of you guys actually watched the video. Vera
OMG! Hell hath surely frozen over… LR Time has rectified all faults on their own Discovery’s, converted every Discovery owner to 5W-40 and still has time to talk cats-in-sacks and cows over mountains over a coffee-less coffee table talk. 🤔🤣🙏😻👋
A fascinating video 😀 It's good to see you discussing the future of the channel. I thing that your head is saying buy the Defender, but your heart is going for the INEOS. Personally the emissions and mpg figures for the Ineos would put me off (not that any of them are good). Will Ineos still be around in 5 to 10 years, probably not. Making a profit on low volume cars like this is practically impossible, IMHO. If only Land Rover weren't so expensive. I agree with your view that car makers charge what people can afford and Land Rover buyers have to be rich. Maybe you should buy a used Toyota What Cruiser. That would be amusing! Good Luck!
This is very good review. The people in ineos gremadier should use this to be more competitive. Christian and Vera are so focused on details. This video would very useful to those who would want a grenadier. Thank you guys!
My tip for you is: Stay away from the new Defender and also the Ineos granadier. Just look at a review of a german/australian youtube channel about the Granadier. ua-cam.com/video/cTDVWaLJfM8/v-deo.html Stay with the discovery's , and if you want a project car get an old defender. That's much more interesting for us viewers, if you convert it into an overland vehicle. Good luck with your choice
Most Grenadiers will be sold to commercial vehicle operators such as farmers, engineering companies and utility companies such as water work repairers and electricity distribution companies not as playthings, which is what that video concentrates upon. He does however make some good points, one being the fuel capacity and possible extra tank fitting. Secondly the foot-room in the right hand drive models. THAT will be a deciding factor for me when it comes to deciding whether to go through with a purchase. If I’m not comfortable driving it, I will not buy it, having suffered the terribly cramped driving position of the Defender for 22 years. I’m not about to go through with that again and would rather buy yet another Ford Ranger pickup.
Very interesting. I'm not a fan of the Grenadier's looks but sounds like the components are top notch and at a competitive launch price. An interesting dilemma! As ever, all best from the UK 🇬🇧
My view is the philosophy of less is more or simplicity is what I like. If something goes wrong they’ve at least minimise issues with half the computers etc. I’m prepared to back a company who is building the vehicle I want. Tesla show you could disrupt the market with a good product. Most of my years are behind me so I’m in.
Very interesting discussion. I would wait for a while to see how well the INEOS Grenadier does. I do love the Disco 3 & 4. But what ever you choose will be interesting. I do believe that viewers are here for your great personalities and Land rover Disco content. Thanks for sharing
Great show both. So I have had a good think about this, all I can say is never buy 1.0 of anything, the discovery 4 is in essence 4.2 if its older than 2012 and so has a lot of things that have been upgraded and altered which makes it more reliable. Stay well.
Agreeing with much of the lower comments I find it very interesting that a start up company is going head long into this endeavor , while I see other reviews on the grenadier popping up like dandelions in a spring lawn I commend you both .
Thanks for sharing your contemplation on a new car. The automobile market in total is a very saturated market. Who is going to survive. Nevertheless, there are a lot of newcomers growing up - in the electric segment.
As much as I like the look of the Ineos I would still pay the extra for the Defender as there is an established dealer network and has support from many channels. I'm sure this would change is years to come as the Ineos becomes established. Maybe you should give the Mall Crawler to Vera and sell Disco3
Well, we only need Land Rover dealers for spare parts. Other than that, we stay as far away as possible from any Land Rover dealer and workshop. 🙋♀Vera
Some great points but some very bad points also. I registered and I wanted to pay the deposit after the launch a year and a half ago in Johannesburg . The launch was cancelled because the vehicle apparently got damaged in transit. Pictures of them driving around Cape Town ended up on Instagram. I have not heard from them since then. So I bought a New Defender D300 HSE which I use for Overlanding in Southern Africa. My New Defender has increased in value and I’ve had no check engine lights or “bings and bongs” in over 60k kms of overlanding in Southern Africa. I’m going to wait and see what happens
I would go for Grenadier as buying a Land Rover new would mean 90% of parts are tied to the UK , meaning massive export tax on any parts. Especially if your looking at all of the work staying in house. The BMW engine would be a good German investment. Love the channel 😃
The best buy now, with the world falling apart, will be some rollerskates. Oh how I long to see you both rollerskating, dressed in 80's clothing 🤗; Christian with a headband and Vera with a peaked sun visor 😊. Wheel change videos, bearing upgrade videos, fluorescent lace swap-outs 😊, which shorts are better videos, shiny loose polyester or tight lycra? IT'S ROLLER-TIME decals.... lol
Interesting and helpful hearing your opinion on the Grenadier … Looking forward to showing this to my wife… (Perhaps having the two of you there, will help to convince her of the benefits of the Grenadier!) Over here in North America, (Canada), we’re at least 1 year behind… in some respects, that may be helpful, as we can get a front row seat to Ineos’ release of the vehicle and the initial impressions in Europe… On the other hand, it will be interesting to see whether inflation drives up the North American price above what was initially offered.
No the best option is to get an l405, but if that's not grabbing you then keep what you have and buy an old 110 and provide content converting it for off road use?
Its been build using various companies who are specialists in what they do. The 3l BMW engine, chassis, suspension etc. I am sure you have seen the videos from TFL on the new Pretender where 3 vehicles were effectively written off. The first after 156 miles!
You know what they say .... Never buy the first production run of anything , wait till all the problems are sorted , because there probably will be some.
@@hammyh1165 Yes, but with such small production numbers there's not likely to be much commercially available to start with, so making it available will allow owners to DIY...
Shouldn’t be many problems with this one. Mostly proven parts are being used from major suppliers. The engines and main transmissions are very commonly used so even in later life there will be parts available from BMW cars, Range Rovers etc etc. I bought a Land Rover 110 in 1994, barely within 12 months of initial production. Well two actually, both with the new 2.5 belt-timing Diesel engines. The station wagon had the sliding windows while the 110 pickup [high capacity pickup] was one of the first with the wind-up windows. Kept the Hi-Cap working extremely hard for 22 years up to 2006 where it wore out and was scrapped. Have many other examples of early production vehicles that have worked very well indeed for me.
This is the only discussion of this problem anywhere I've seen. In the meantime fuel prices rise, shortages continue. I bet quite a lot of people are chewing over all this.
Great video. I can't decide whether to pull the plug and get one of these and sell our old Landy. But I think the hardest question is Petrol vs Diesel. Buying a new Diesel in 2022 seems very wrong for some reason. What does everyone think?
I've ordered my Grenadier and now I'm waiting for the contract confirmation, with a build date in October 2022. I have gone for a commercial 5 seat station wagon as the Belstaff editions get hammered for UK road tax. I have two elderly LRs, a 110CSW and an LR90; I am looking forwards to AC, no leaks and comfy seats.
Your "washing machine" experience on the Grenadier test drive is a good reminder of the "advantages" of beam axles. But if your really want that sort of experience why not save 40,000 euros or so and just buy an old-style Defender? (I'd be happy to sell you mine!)
after having learnt from years ago and getting a couple of pig in a poke i always wait until something has been out for a while even with Armature radio, i have heard of a few here in the uk who have put a deposit down and can not get the one they want my freelander is running great at the moment so i will not waste any money i will save it for a rainy day thanks for the video
My build date is 12/22 here in Australia. I excluded the bullbar winch and roof rack which I can do cheaper when ready but did include 80% of the available options. I also ordered a 1/18 scale model of the grenadier which should be here by the end of the week.
Hey guys, great video! Greetings from Australia. The Grenadier is overpriced here so I’ve opted to stick with my 2007 Discovery 3. I think you should do the same! You’ve got a great truck so why change it? When you sit in the driver’s seat of the Grenadier you won’t be as comfortable as the Disco. That’s for sure! Keep up the good work 👍🏼
Christian and Vera. Good luck with whatever you decide. However, I'd be glad if you stayed with the Mall Crawler, you might one day do a repair job to it that I would be capable of undertaking😊.
I would say, just choose the new vehicle you want based on the characteristics and ignore delivery issues, because both have these problems right now. If delivery of what you chose takes longer, well you are still getting just what you really wanted, and that would be worth waiting for.
Extremely interesting! Much as I would love you to own a new Defender to compare and contrast with the D3 I think the Grenadier would make total sense for your brilliant channel
It would be great content getting a grenadier. In my opinion a great all terrain multi function vehicle with parts and diagram support with a tried and tested bmw engine should be a great overland contender. Great work Christian and vera love your channel keep up the good work 👍
In the US , I don’t think warranties can be voided for changing your own oil, unless you do something wrong (or don’t change it when due) that results in damage to the engine.
Most mature couples watch movies or listen to classical music with a robust glass of wine,,,,,,, you guys share the joy of online configurators. Cracks me up !!! Im not sure about the grenadier content thou. I completely agree you would no doubt make some very practical & real world grenadier videos but your audience will be a lot smaller im afraid!
Great viewpoints, thank you. I had a pre order and was put off by the final price, mainly due to tax's (not Ineos' fault), but the add ons and taxation just made the vehicle too risky for the financial investment. I will wait and resist the fear of missing out for a safer investment.
We cannot buy it as a financial investment. We really also want to use the car, go offroad and drill holes into it.😃 You always will risk damage, and if it's just scratches. 🙋♀Vera
Build yourselves a nice proper 130 Defender, nice new galvanised chassis, all the nice parts, roof tent etc. At least it should increase in value and think how much video content you could create.
Hello Vera and Christian. Interesting video with a different perspective particularly since I just cancelled my Ineos order yesterday. I have been following Ineos for as long as I can remember and counting down the days until I can own one. Unfortunately I have found the Ineos management ( my own experience) has not been forthcoming with communication at all despite many attempts over many months. It was a major concern as I am a buyer who has put down the full deposit money. What would happen then if I had a car with a problem! On top of this there were a number of concerns that it seemed could not be solved. High weight, poor fuel consumption, poor fuel capacity, poor ground clearance, apparent inability to raise the suspension due to the suspension design, poor interior design particularly rear seat folding to name the obvious ones. I own a Land Rover 4 2013 and find this to be fantastic although as your channel acknowledges has some maintenance issues to deal with. I have been lucky to date and mine has been faultless however I have decided to keep it and spend some extra money to future proof it. Keep up the great work on the channel.
I’d go Defender but order the base vehicle with off road package so you get locking rear diff. Then take a leaf out of powerfuluk book and start making accessories for it so owners can upgrade their vehicles while turning yours into the ultimate overlander.
It’s grenadier time… I would love one! But I can’t afford. I would really enjoy seeing what modifications you guys come up with! I love your channel and still watch even though I got rid of the Discovery.
in days of yore, the greenhorn was sent to the butcher to get a live suckling pig (in a bag), the joke was to put a cat in the bag which yielded don't let the cat out of the bag.
I think you have created a dilemma 🤔 The Ineos is an unknown but the Defender you know inside out , admitted, in a different guise! It depends if you want a complete change 😮 and to venture into the unknown 🤔 They are both good looking vehicles. Good luck with your deliberation ❤ From a satisfied Toyota owner.
You will be one of the first trusted channels to buy the INEOS, people will trust your review and observations. People will buy or not buy a future INEOS on your word. Happy Sunday
Hi Vera and Christian,
Please just stay making your beautiful and wonderfully informative videos about Land Rovers. The Disco 3&4 section of our Australian LR owners site; AULRO has an endless amount of fascinating topics that you could explore. Your original, unique style complements the quirky Land Rover owners world so perfectly! I am unable to see that transitioning to a Grenadier, nor to a new Defender.
I love your work! Please keep it going. You’re just the best. With very best wishes, Jeffrey.
I would keep Lr4 and Lr3. Honestly a new car would be nice. But, if you have to get one. My vote is defender.
Thanks Vera and Christian for an interesting and informative vid. Vera looking GREAT as usual. Paul from Liverpool.
The only time to buy a new car is when the second model is released and only then you look for a second hand version with low kilometers and looked after.
I bought a ‘Defender’ Land Rover 110 in 1984, the first year of build but one of the first with wind-up windows and the 2.5 diesel. Ran it for 22 years before it simply wore out. Same goes for the Land Cruiser 100 diese. Bought one of the first off the boat in September 1998 and it is still on my yard, admittedly not moved for the last three years due to necessary repairs being unviable. Nevertheless it served me well for over 200,000 miles with excellent reliability. Also my father bought a brand new model in 1993, a Isuzu Trooper 3.1 Citation. Again this was run for 18 years with very few problems, then scrapped. No regrets buying any of them and several more.
@@hedydd2 Yes, I use to do that too - buy brand new and run them to the ground whilst maintaining them correctly. Not now though. I save a large percentage of the new purchase price buying used and run them to the ground. Cars from the last 30 years or so last a long time if looked after.
I think Christian and Vera don't mind having problems because they can create content.. 😁
@@damo137 That's why you don't buy a older toyota...waiting for the thing to break down could mean many years between episodes.
I'm actually glad they are in a circumstance where Defenders are a viable option - they get to do things on engines (and cars as a whole) that is very entertaining, informative and educational.
Fantastic! Just what I was thinking, and my pre-order is about to arrive at my US dealer so this is sooo timely. Short answer (after 2d guessing a lot since my “off-roading” will be of the light variety for which a number of other cars could do) I’m IN! Given the solid quality of known top component suppliers and the Magna Styr design team, I have great confidence. Long warranty and a 61 billion $ company name on it, they’re not going to collapse. Now to pay for it…..
Guys, LR Time is the two of you. What ever vehicle you opt for I / we will be watching you and your adventures. Your both fun, informative and hands on with ideas and repairs. Keep doing what you do and how you do it. Good luck with your choice.
I don’t care what you guys buy even if you changed to house renovations I think you would make them as technical as possible Christian and Vera would still make us all laugh at to
What ever content you make will be fun to watch even washing machine maintenance
Thank you 🤗🙏🙋♀️Vera
I have ordered one. I think the level of research and development that has gone into the creation of the Grenadier specifically relevant to what the use intention was at the core. I loaded up the options to pretty much everything I know I will use even periodically. I have quite a bit of confidence in the final product first run for a few reasons. First of all, the facility they ended up with to manufacture this vehicle was set up initially buy the manufacturing engineers at Mercedes. These folks spared no expense in that facility and the crew that went along with the deal has tremendous experience building high quality vehicles. Next, the inspiration for the vehicle was a highly specific to its intended use, not how to make a profitable car or truck. The question was “can we make a use specific vehicle in a financially sustainable way?”. That’s the way every successful product ever made had long term survival. Lastly, they selected all the core components to be of the best quality from companies with proven track records of long term strength. I’m all good with my decision. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
Guys i love your videos and will continue watching irrespective of cars featured ( i never owned a land rover anyway) . As far as the Grenadier is concerned i already ordered one with November build date (fingers crossed). i am willing to trust the engineers on this one because i think a lot of work went into it.
i owned a 88 diesel manny years ago. But i like the content and i dont watch " i wanna be famous" tv shows :)
You make some interesting points in this video, especially about the cost to own one of these. Personally I couldn't go for a new unproven vehicle from job 1, and especially from an organisation with no apparent service or support infrastructure. Having said this I can see your argument and how this could be interesting for the channel.
As someone who recently bought a Toyota after disappointing experiences with German cars that have become over-complicated and unreliable IMO. In the context of my last BMW masterpiece of Chinesium and plastic, Land Rover are starting to appear as not that bad. I hope the Grenadier designers have kept it as simple as possible and not buried it in junk quality parts.
So, you have my vote to get one and educate/entertain us. Given your honesty and no nonsense options they should provide you with a Grenadier FOC.
Whatever you decide to do, good luck and thank you both.
Cheers from London
Thanks Ray 😃🙏🙋♀Vera
The defender is too rich and fancy, the INEOS gets my vote
Land Rover had a real opportunity to make a 4wd for all people, but then they blew it by going upmarket. If they followed the recipe of the Landcruiser 70 series or even the Suzuki Jimny they would have a best seller. All they had to do is right all the wrongs of the old Defender. Like not being squashed up against the driver's door or having the window down to steer it.
They have done all of that but having decided to abandon the traditional farmer’s and utility’s workhorse type vehicle in favour of ‘private transport’ SUV type vehicles, what do you expect? They do offer the ‘Hardtop’ van version but it is grossly overpriced compared to the passenger version and as a result will only sell in very low volumes. Business buyers are not generally easily taken for mugs.
True, though they would have trouble meeting emission requirements. A good trade off would have been PSA's DW12 blown up to bigger power. It would have run rings round the Land Rover reliability-wisely and lighter and cheaper costwisely and the rest electricals be done by Suzuki.
I love the New and Improved VERA! She looks great! Chris is the lucky man! Your inside details, price comparisons, and choice of vehicles are a good starting point for anyone who wants to get a Grenadier or a 4-door Defender ( disco 5 in reality). Keep up the great work! Danke und alles gute!
We alsways refer to the new Defender as Disco 6😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Interesting video 👍🏻
I think the Grenadier is too much of an unknown at this stage. It's an uncertain time with rising fossil fuel prices and increasing electrification. Have you you considered the ride of beam axles vs air suspension too? I think the attraction of this channel is that you have an affordable vehicle and you do amazing things with it. This inspires others others because these things possible for them too. Grenadier videos could be interesting but I think your core audience is probably here for the Disco stuff. I may be wrong, I have been many times before! 😄
nope you're right
core video watchers are here to see repairs, fixes and upgrades.
can only do upgrades on a new vehicle.
will end up losing content and viewers
Thank you for your opinion. Christian
I think so to.
Brilliant idea for the channel. Grenadier would give you loads of content as many like me will be looking for support in our maintenance. I am in the uk and placed a reservation for the trial master and got a delivery date in October.
Vera / Christian go for the Grenadier with the skills you both have and a new vehicle to the market owners will be desperate to upgrade add gadgets etc etc perfect to grow your channel and i for one would love to see that happen, great vlog as usual best of luck to you both whatever the decision.
I think the people that buy Gren. Will not make their own accessories, stick with the D3/D4 /D5? Great work!
@@rydinorwin I don't agree. We have involved in the Grenadier Forums on all kind of platforms, and have been in direkt contact through email,and they definitely show interest. 🙋♀Vera
😃💪🙋♀Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian You are better informed than me! I thought the Grenadier is a low volume vehicle, but your mods. are the best! I saw a video about Aptera 3 wheeled electric car and their philosophy is very much to encourage owners to maintain/mod or themselves.
Have to be honest I didn’t think I was up for this type of content but I enjoyed it so much. I would disagree with only one thing. I would say that you’re very rich indeed not with money maybe but in so many ways and that’s the most important thing. Keep up the good work.
Grenadier engine info is excellent because BMW did the hard work already!
I would love to see you guys go for it, but my worry is that economically we're on thin ice globally.
I suspect the bean counters at Ineos would press pause if they had a choice.
It’s not as good as claimed. There’s plenty of issues with that engine. But there’s a far bigger issue than that. It’s the wrong engine for a heavy 4x4. Ask anyone who owned a Range Rover when they were powered by BMW 6 pots.
I dont trust very many people with the service or maintenance of my 1993 Range Rover. The dealership network made this easy when they said they no longer service them. Enjoyed this video.
Too expensive for me to order a Grenadine.
Hi Christian and Vera, good luck with your decision, but for me there are too many unknowns with the Ineos Grenadier. I would stick with the D3 and D4 because you know what you get and you can fix any problems in the future.
My sister is an accountant for Ineos here in Canada, has been on trips with the boss and his family. She is hoping to get an early release model to do some testing in the Rocky Mountains. I will report back with any findings if this comes to fruition. While I don't expect it to keep up with our Jeeps, It seems like a great platform for overlanding.
A very interesting video this Sunday thanks you two, Christian for the content Vera for the looks 😁
That is a lot of comments, I’ll add a brief one. I have ordered my pig in a poke. Hope to get a nice Christmas present. Love your videos, if you get a Grenadier I will look forward to the videos you will no doubt produce. Keep up the good work and get yourself a good coffee maker.
Excellent video, depreciation would be the thing to consider for me, if you could wait until after the release of INEOS maybe see if they have any major issues, we know you have the skills to rebuild and carry out essential maintenance on any used off roader. So a relatively new used one might be better, I’m basis this on your excellent engineering knowledge. Thanks Vera and Christian.
We definitely wait until we had the chance to drive one ourselves first. And as for major issues, well that would be kind of our content. So we don't shy away from that. 😅👍🙋♀Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian l would never be confident in buying a new release vehicle without it being tested in the real world for at least 1 year, that was until my Defender 90 Td5 l'd had from new had terminal chassis corrosion and l needed a replacement, 13 months after paying my deposit and no test drive l picked up a new Jimny, so far no problems but l would like an lneos if they brought out a 2 door model.
I ordered one on the first day possible in UK. I now have it, and it's all I wished for - superb off road and makes me smile every time I get into it - just like all my many Defenders for the last 30 years. Just a shame that LR do not make a "Defender" anymore. Ineos kept to their quoted price at the time of my deposit, so I am happy with that. I love LR, but they do not make a car I want anymore, this is my modern alternative and I am more than happy.
In Australia, one of the earliest largest 4 WD markets, there are some ssyings;
1. If you want to get to the Outback, take a Land Rovrr.
If you want to get back, take a Toyota.
2. What is a Toyota?
A Land Rover recovery vehicle.
( and G Wagons are defeated by the Canning Stock Routes. A Landcruiser was the support vehicle, without failure)
Would be interesting with the grenadier as it is a new vehicle. A bit early to say but with well proven engines, gearbox, brake and suspension parts this should be long lasting and reliable offroad vehicle. Your videos provide innovating and interesting ways to tackle the problems most owners will encounter. Keep up with this great channel, I for one will still be watching.
Super enjoyable video Vera and Christian. I have a preorder with a projected build of October 22.
I live in Tasmania and I reckon there are about 4-5 Grenadiers headed this way of the first build models.
I have enjoyed your videos so much, always fun and I just admire your positive attitudes to life.
I have an LR4 which is a great car with all the problems we all know but some incredible features that I don’t know will ever be replicated again in a newer car. The Grenadier could have learnt from the true flat floor, the brilliant tailgate opening, the 2 rear seats that fold into nothing, the classic rugged dash and dials. Other than that it looks incredible
I for one, would be absolutely thrilled to see you guys get a Grenadier. You would become such a valuable research and support tool for us all and a great community hub for Grenadier owners.
Keep up the great work you and I must say sometimes the videos of fixing or changing the little things are often the very best
😅👍Thank you. You are absolutely right with the seats that fold into nothing. 🙋♀️Vera
Go for the Ineos Grenadier!
You two, Christian and Vera, are the perfect people to have one to show us how good they will be.
I can’t wait for you to get it.
Keep the D3 and the D4. Then when the engine goes in the D4, just replace it with another one or rebuild it and don't worry about it and save your money 👍 if you buy an IG, then at lease wait for the 2nd wave of production never buy the first ones let others take the pain.
Very nice presentation of the possibilities of purchasing a Grenadier. Enjoy your channel!
The video you guys made of test driving the new Defender and the Grenadier..there was a big difference in being a passenger.The Land Rover was very smooth like an old Cadillac the Ineos was broom bam boom broom bum bam.
Very different test tracks! Will only be able to compare on the same track. Reports are that the IG is very smooth and comfy off road 👌
@@scmtbcoach2477 It is been on 2test rides.
Yet another fantastic informative video, you two make my Sunday viewing. Keep the videos coming, love your work. X
man, you guys are so funny. You could easily be on America late night talk show. And, you know and I know the cow on the other mountain will never get less expensive. It will ALWAYS be more expensive.
You have obviously carried out a great deal of research into the Grenadier and are happy to highlight your concerns, despite appearing to have already made up your minds that this is the car for you. I thought it was interesting that you were honest enough to show that in some categories, the Land Rover Defender excelled, most would not mention this. I suppose the big question has to be why you want to purchase this vehicle? If it is for UA-cam content will it give you what you want? For example, as a new vehicle it is unlikely to need major repair/maintenance so this may limit your output. You will also be in a sea of UA-cam content that will be offering advice/upgrades to the Grenadier once it has launched and some of these will be from professional outfits that offer products for sale. As things stand for me, I am and will remain a subscriber to this regardless what you decide as I find not just the content but the interaction between you both an absolute pleasure to watch. I'm sure that whatever direction you go in, assuming the Grenadier ever gets in to mass production, you will continue to have a loyal audience here every week. 😃
Christian&Vera,
Fantastic story and explanation about the Grenadier and Devender!
Hvl.
Great discussion! The high enviro concerns are crucifying the cost of this vehicle in Ireland. Vat & VRT tax (highest bracket) is putting out over €115k+ for the Belstaff model. Road tax will be couple of grand no doubt per year. If you have the money to buy it and wrap it in plastic and leave it on the driveway, it might make sense as an investment🤷🏼♂️ to buy it as any everyday driver, you need very deep pockets. IE is unique in the EU for taking the fun out of car ownership 😫 I still want one mind 🤪
Where you get the quote? Estimate? Hyundai garage?
@@peterdaly3957 have deposit down so got follow up email. Sleepless nights ahead on that decision !!!
Nothing in England is clear anymore 🤦🏻
I quite like it.
thank you for your videos.
You have the same thoughts of me that it might go up in price if you don't order early on! the flip side is that it will probably have a few problems to work out in the first version! be interesting to hear your thoughts about it compared to the LR3. For me the Lr3 is more practical with the flexible seating, slip folding tail gate etc but the IG will be more robust and reliable :)
Good choice. I have to confess that after the LR4 had another suspension fault happening only when I go off road, and spent 2 weeks trying to diagnose the fault, I sold the thing. It already ruined my easter holiday, and with the summer holiday coming, I trade it in for a Wrangler plug in hybrid, that was on stock with a very good deal on i.t It will replace 2 cars, the LR4 and my daily driver as well. 50 km electric is more than enough for my comute. So far I love the thing, off roading in Portugal at the moment.
I watch the videos for you guys, no matter what vehicle you decide to own. Good luck with your new project.
Thanks. Enjoy that JL. That is a impressive vehicle. Christian
Yes, hopefully the EU does not ruin this vehicle in the next month. Hope everything goes well. Christian
Never EVER buy a new car... of any make... might as well burn money in your driveway... new car prices are all ridiculous, as soon as you drive it out of the dealer it lost at minimum 10% of what it cost you... Christian as absofuqinlutely right about their pricing procedure, love you guys, keep buying used LandRovers just work your way through and stay about 10-15yrs behind, and keep showing your trips, they're wonderful!
I'm pretty sure no matter what vehicle the two of you guys get, at the very end your videos are excellent 👌, As an old mechanic from my town like to say ".. it's not the vehicle, is that part sitting between the steering wheel and the driver seat" 😎.
Watching this in June 24: Christian was spot on in his predictions, very much so with price.
We just went to the Abendteuer and Allrad, and the Grenadier booth was empty, no one looked at them. 👍👌🙋♀️
@@Vera_and_Christian I love the concept of the Grenadier but wouldn't touch the first model of any new car. If they get to sort out a few things and have a major update I would be interested. Living in Australia the only real go anywhere vehicle we have to choose from is the darn 70 series thing that Christian nows nothing about. Even the Defender is too soft for the outback.
Enjoy your summer as we are in the depths of winter here ......... I just had to shut the backdoor as temp just dropped to 16c ❄ ❄ ❄ ❄ ❄ ❄ ❄ ❄
The problem with ‘self service’ on a new car is the diagnostics lag many years behind especially with a new manufacturer, unless Ineos use a generic diagnostic device you will struggle to do so much and most early problems are software, firmware or electrical in nature, the stuff you can do at home is mechanical but this should be many years away from being a problem.
My D250 (2021) First Edition 110 was around the same price (68k, and it only went up the last 12 months). I guess you are right about the pricing of this grenadier, they will go up. It would be great UA-cam content for sure! - go for it :) You will probably gonna miss the LR “feeling” and of course the air suspension (the defender air suspension is not the same like in the LR3/4) but I can understand the desire here to get a grenadier. I will keep enjoying my 110 for now and buy the grenadier fuel cell version when it hits the market ;)
“Fortune favours the brave”. Go for it guys!
Hi I like watching your videos about your LR3 and LR4 top good videos keep up the good work 👏
I enjoyed this discussion. Very well thought out, and explained. It confirms many of my own thoughts. I own, and love an LR4. However, I reserved a NA Grenadier on day 1.
as a Land Rover owner, LR time is my favourite channel. and i love watching both of you. if you start with INEOS Grenadier , im not sure my interest will remain
We cannot be pressured by anyone. If someone threatens to unsubscribe, then be it. We have so many who love us for who we are. Also my Discovery 3 will not go anywhere. I don't think a lot of you guys actually watched the video. Vera
OMG! Hell hath surely frozen over… LR Time has rectified all faults on their own Discovery’s, converted every Discovery owner to 5W-40 and still has time to talk cats-in-sacks and cows over mountains over a coffee-less coffee table talk. 🤔🤣🙏😻👋
😂👍🙋♀️Vera
"It's possible you win the lottery". So true. If you buy the ticket. We'll argued, humourous and compelling. Thanks
A fascinating video 😀 It's good to see you discussing the future of the channel. I thing that your head is saying buy the Defender, but your heart is going for the INEOS. Personally the emissions and mpg figures for the Ineos would put me off (not that any of them are good). Will Ineos still be around in 5 to 10 years, probably not. Making a profit on low volume cars like this is practically impossible, IMHO. If only Land Rover weren't so expensive. I agree with your view that car makers charge what people can afford and Land Rover buyers have to be rich. Maybe you should buy a used Toyota What Cruiser. That would be amusing! Good Luck!
This is very good review. The people in ineos gremadier should use this to be more competitive. Christian and Vera are so focused on details. This video would very useful to those who would want a grenadier. Thank you guys!
Great video.You answered my question. I've specced my Grenadier and will put the deposit down this week. 👍
An excellant video , you have opened my eyes about the Ineos Grenadier
My tip for you is: Stay away from the new Defender and also the Ineos granadier. Just look at a review of a german/australian youtube channel about the Granadier. ua-cam.com/video/cTDVWaLJfM8/v-deo.html
Stay with the discovery's , and if you want a project car get an old defender. That's much more interesting for us viewers, if you convert it into an overland vehicle.
Good luck with your choice
Most Grenadiers will be sold to commercial vehicle operators such as farmers, engineering companies and utility companies such as water work repairers and electricity distribution companies not as playthings, which is what that video concentrates upon. He does however make some good points, one being the fuel capacity and possible extra tank fitting. Secondly the foot-room in the right hand drive models. THAT will be a deciding factor for me when it comes to deciding whether to go through with a purchase. If I’m not comfortable driving it, I will not buy it, having suffered the terribly cramped driving position of the Defender for 22 years. I’m not about to go through with that again and would rather buy yet another Ford Ranger pickup.
Very interesting. I'm not a fan of the Grenadier's looks but sounds like the components are top notch and at a competitive launch price. An interesting dilemma! As ever, all best from the UK 🇬🇧
My view is the philosophy of less is more or simplicity is what I like. If something goes wrong they’ve at least minimise issues with half the computers etc.
I’m prepared to back a company who is building the vehicle I want.
Tesla show you could disrupt the market with a good product.
Most of my years are behind me so I’m in.
Very interesting discussion. I would wait for a while to see how well the INEOS Grenadier does. I do love the Disco 3 & 4. But what ever you choose will be interesting. I do believe that viewers are here for your great personalities and Land rover Disco content. Thanks for sharing
A continous review on this new beauty will be brilliant. I think its a great idea and superb man maths ..I personally can't wait 😀
Great show both. So I have had a good think about this, all I can say is never buy 1.0 of anything, the discovery 4 is in essence 4.2 if its older than 2012 and so has a lot of things that have been upgraded and altered which makes it more reliable. Stay well.
Agreeing with much of the lower comments I find it very interesting that a start up company is going head long into this endeavor , while I see other reviews on the grenadier popping up like dandelions in a spring lawn I commend you both .
Love the channel. Appreciate your detailed information.
Thanks for sharing your contemplation on a new car. The automobile market in total is a very saturated market. Who is going to survive. Nevertheless, there are a lot of newcomers growing up - in the electric segment.
As much as I like the look of the Ineos I would still pay the extra for the Defender as there is an established dealer network and has support from many channels. I'm sure this would change is years to come as the Ineos becomes established. Maybe you should give the Mall Crawler to Vera and sell Disco3
I'd keep the 3 and sell the 4 why more complicated than a 3
but the reliability cant get any worse...
Well, we only need Land Rover dealers for spare parts. Other than that, we stay as far away as possible from any Land Rover dealer and workshop. 🙋♀Vera
Some great points but some very bad points also. I registered and I wanted to pay the deposit after the launch a year and a half ago in Johannesburg .
The launch was cancelled because the vehicle apparently got damaged in transit. Pictures of them driving around Cape Town ended up on Instagram.
I have not heard from them since then.
So I bought a New Defender D300 HSE which I use for Overlanding in Southern Africa.
My New Defender has increased in value and I’ve had no check engine lights or “bings and bongs” in over 60k kms of overlanding in Southern Africa.
I’m going to wait and see what happens
I have a reservation for the Grenadier, but you make many good points. I'm probably just keeping my FJ.
I would go for Grenadier as buying a Land Rover new would mean 90% of parts are tied to the UK , meaning massive export tax on any parts. Especially if your looking at all of the work staying in house. The BMW engine would be a good German investment. Love the channel 😃
The best buy now, with the world falling apart, will be some rollerskates.
Oh how I long to see you both rollerskating, dressed in 80's clothing 🤗; Christian with a headband and Vera with a peaked sun visor 😊.
Wheel change videos, bearing upgrade videos, fluorescent lace swap-outs 😊, which shorts are better videos, shiny loose polyester or tight lycra? IT'S ROLLER-TIME decals.... lol
Interesting and helpful hearing your opinion on the Grenadier … Looking forward to showing this to my wife… (Perhaps having the two of you there, will help to convince her of the benefits of the Grenadier!)
Over here in North America, (Canada), we’re at least 1 year behind… in some respects, that may be helpful, as we can get a front row seat to Ineos’ release of the vehicle and the initial impressions in Europe… On the other hand, it will be interesting to see whether inflation drives up the North American price above what was initially offered.
Hi Christian and Vera. Not an obvious choice, why not new video adventures with the grenadier. Take care of yourself 👏
Go for the Grenadier I want to see the new roof rack rocksliders ,and all the other accessories that you can design and build!☺️👌
No the best option is to get an l405, but if that's not grabbing you then keep what you have and buy an old 110 and provide content converting it for off road use?
The problem with old Defenders is, they are just so damn expensive here in Germany. It's unbelievable.🙋♀️Vera
Its been build using various companies who are specialists in what they do. The 3l BMW engine, chassis, suspension etc. I am sure you have seen the videos from TFL on the new Pretender where 3 vehicles were effectively written off. The first after 156 miles!
One thing is for sure is you keep Vera 🤤
You know what they say .... Never buy the first production run of anything , wait till all the problems are sorted , because there probably will be some.
One good thing about the Grenadier is they're making all the measurements publicly available , so that anyone can make accessories for them.
@@hammyh1165 Yes, but with such small production numbers there's not likely to be much commercially available to start with, so making it available will allow owners to DIY...
Shouldn’t be many problems with this one. Mostly proven parts are being used from major suppliers. The engines and main transmissions are very commonly used so even in later life there will be parts available from BMW cars, Range Rovers etc etc.
I bought a Land Rover 110 in 1994, barely within 12 months of initial production. Well two actually, both with the new 2.5 belt-timing Diesel engines. The station wagon had the sliding windows while the 110 pickup [high capacity pickup] was one of the first with the wind-up windows. Kept the Hi-Cap working extremely hard for 22 years up to 2006 where it wore out and was scrapped. Have many other examples of early production vehicles that have worked very well indeed for me.
This is the only discussion of this problem anywhere I've seen. In the meantime fuel prices rise, shortages continue. I bet quite a lot of people are chewing over all this.
Great video. I can't decide whether to pull the plug and get one of these and sell our old Landy. But I think the hardest question is Petrol vs Diesel. Buying a new Diesel in 2022 seems very wrong for some reason. What does everyone think?
I've ordered my Grenadier and now I'm waiting for the contract confirmation, with a build date in October 2022. I have gone for a commercial 5 seat station wagon as the Belstaff editions get hammered for UK road tax. I have two elderly LRs, a 110CSW and an LR90; I am looking forwards to AC, no leaks and comfy seats.
😅👍You're going to love it. Can't wait for people to actually get them and post experiences on social media. 🙋♀️Vera
Your "washing machine" experience on the Grenadier test drive is a good reminder of the "advantages" of beam axles. But if your really want that sort of experience why not save 40,000 euros or so and just buy an old-style Defender? (I'd be happy to sell you mine!)
I wonder why😅 🙋♀️Vera
after having learnt from years ago and getting a couple of pig in a poke i always wait until something has been out for a while even with Armature radio,
i have heard of a few here in the uk who have put a deposit down and can not get the one they want my freelander is running great at the moment so i will not waste any money i will save it for a rainy day thanks for the video
My build date is 12/22 here in Australia. I excluded the bullbar winch and roof rack which I can do cheaper when ready but did include 80% of the available options. I also ordered a 1/18 scale model of the grenadier which should be here by the end of the week.
Hey guys, great video! Greetings from Australia. The Grenadier is overpriced here so I’ve opted to stick with my 2007 Discovery 3. I think you should do the same! You’ve got a great truck so why change it?
When you sit in the driver’s seat of the Grenadier you won’t be as comfortable as the Disco. That’s for sure!
Keep up the good work 👍🏼
👍As we in the video, my Disco 3 is not going to be sold 🙋♀Vera
Spot on again! Love your videos. German precision at its best!
Christian and Vera. Good luck with whatever you decide. However, I'd be glad if you stayed with the Mall Crawler, you might one day do a repair job to it that I would be capable of undertaking😊.
But what if that day may never come. But we can help you anyway if you need help 😅👍 We definitely need a new Project. 🙋♀️Vera
I would say, just choose the new vehicle you want based on the characteristics and ignore delivery issues, because both have these problems right now. If delivery of what you chose takes longer, well you are still getting just what you really wanted, and that would be worth waiting for.
Extremely interesting! Much as I would love you to own a new Defender to compare and contrast with the D3 I think the Grenadier would make total sense for your
brilliant channel
It would be great content getting a grenadier. In my opinion a great all terrain multi function vehicle with parts and diagram support with a tried and tested bmw engine should be a great overland contender. Great work Christian and vera love your channel keep up the good work 👍
In the US , I don’t think warranties can be voided for changing your own oil, unless you do something wrong (or don’t change it when due) that results in damage to the engine.
Love the content. Great insight. Keep up the great work.
Most mature couples watch movies or listen to classical music with a robust glass of wine,,,,,,, you guys share the joy of online configurators. Cracks me up !!! Im not sure about the grenadier content thou. I completely agree you would no doubt make some very practical & real world grenadier videos but your audience will be a lot smaller im afraid!
You know we are not dropping our Land Rover content. I am surprised that so many viewers only see it that way. 🙋♀️Vera
Great viewpoints, thank you. I had a pre order and was put off by the final price, mainly due to tax's (not Ineos' fault), but the add ons and taxation just made the vehicle too risky for the financial investment. I will wait and resist the fear of missing out for a safer investment.
We cannot buy it as a financial investment. We really also want to use the car, go offroad and drill holes into it.😃 You always will risk damage, and if it's just scratches. 🙋♀Vera
Excellent.
Thank you so much - and very curious about your pending decision ...
Build yourselves a nice proper 130 Defender, nice new galvanised chassis, all the nice parts, roof tent etc. At least it should increase in value and think how much video content you could create.
We could not configure a 130. That would actually be the only New Defender I would like to own. 👍🙋♀️Vera
Hello Vera and Christian. Interesting video with a different perspective particularly since I just cancelled my Ineos order yesterday. I have been following Ineos for as long as I can remember and counting down the days until I can own one. Unfortunately I have found the Ineos management ( my own experience) has not been forthcoming with communication at all despite many attempts over many months. It was a major concern as I am a buyer who has put down the full deposit money. What would happen then if I had a car with a problem! On top of this there were a number of concerns that it seemed could not be solved. High weight, poor fuel consumption, poor fuel capacity, poor ground clearance, apparent inability to raise the suspension due to the suspension design, poor interior design particularly rear seat folding to name the obvious ones. I own a Land Rover 4 2013 and find this to be fantastic although as your channel acknowledges has some maintenance issues to deal with. I have been lucky to date and mine has been faultless however I have decided to keep it and spend some extra money to future proof it. Keep up the great work on the channel.
I’d go Defender but order the base vehicle with off road package so you get locking rear diff. Then take a leaf out of powerfuluk book and start making accessories for it so owners can upgrade their vehicles while turning yours into the ultimate overlander.
It’s grenadier time… I would love one! But I can’t afford. I would really enjoy seeing what modifications you guys come up with! I love your channel and still watch even though I got rid of the Discovery.
in days of yore, the greenhorn was sent to the butcher to get a live suckling pig (in a bag), the joke was to put a cat in the bag which yielded don't let the cat out of the bag.
I think you have created a dilemma 🤔 The Ineos is an unknown but the Defender you know inside out , admitted, in a different guise! It depends if you want a complete change 😮 and to venture into the unknown 🤔 They are both good looking vehicles.
Good luck with your deliberation ❤
From a satisfied Toyota owner.