Great to have an early video from you guys 👍 excellent job and I love the humour, as an Irish fan we share your sense of sarcasm 😂😂😂 pity the LR guy didn’t get it🥸.
I just love you two, you make me smile in each video you put out, you have the ability to make (I know it is for me not sure about the other subscribers) people feel at home and comfortable Thank you for sharing your experiences and Trials also tribulations with the Land Rover species. I'm not sure, do you spend more time fixing your two or driving them? Grin and ducking 😁 My 1996 Toyota lwb 2.8l diesel Hi-ace Van only requires the odd drop of diesel, a good oil change occasionally, and the usual maintenance, even at the ripe old vintage of 320,000kms Two separate mechanics said I haven't even broken it in yet 🤔 the way I look after it I should get a million kms out of it (if I live that long lol) This is my second Hi-ace my first was a 1977 petrol I had for about 12 years BTW a new 2022 Toyota lwb Hi-ace diesel van is 50,200 AUD at present if you could get one (global demand etc) With all seriousness, I am hugely amazed at your skills and knowledge Christian Your workmanship on your vehicles is extremely impressive and even though I may not ever afford to own a new Land Rover (if I ever brought a 4x4 I would go for a LR especially the older models) I have learnt valuable lessons from your videos and enjoy your mechanical skills. Thank you both for such wonderful videos Tony from Western Australia 🇦🇺
You have the best Land Rover channel on UA-cam. When I was about to upgrade my LR3 I watched your comparison using Vera's LR3 to the new L4 and I decided to stay with the brand. Keep posting I'll continue watching.. really love the chemistry you have with one another it is beautiful.
Hello Vera ! Hello Christian ! First of all, thank you very much for the informative videos, which are instructive but also entertaining. I myself have been a Land Rover Fan here in Germany for decades, I restore Series 1 Land Rovers and have driven an S1 (400,000 km) and an S3 (200,000 km) Discovery for 25 years. Both Discovery's weren't bad, but the S1 was more reliable. What bothered me about the S3 were the many little things that always cropped up when you couldn't use them at all. Although the new Defender is more appealing in design than an Ineos, I've now settled on the Grenadier. Your last video. "A completely normal Land Rover week / C1A07-62 error". was confirmation for me that it was the right decision. Who needs mistakes like that? Looking forward to get the Ineos delivered in September 2022.
Land Rover ! An Indian Company (Tata) making a so called Britsh vehicle in Slovakia. About as British as a Chinese MG ! My American Jeep Grand Cherokee was also made in a Mercedes factory in Graz, Austria !
I discovered your channel a couple weeks ago as I was looking for information on Land Rovers as I was looking for my first LR purchase. Thank you so much for all your info, knowledge and fun times in your videos. Christian, great engineering approach on the LRs and Vera, thanks for keeping him on target; managing his output... Vera, you're a good boss!
Yes, the Testdrive in the LR was smoother, but you can't compare it like this... 1: The Ineos is a complete different 4x4, without 150Gadgets, Cameras and Computers, without Air-Ride...etc... 2: It was a complete different Track You can't compare 2 Cars when they don't drive under the same conditions.
Had my Defender 110 from new for around 20 months. The best Land Rover I've owned to date, never had an issue, but then I look after mine and don't drive it like a twat.
Great video, lots of interesting content. The grenadier which was originally to be built in South Wales (UK) after receiving millions of £s in funding, was then moved to be produced in an unused Mercedes factory in France with BMW engines. Once I get over that, the vehicle certainly seems "built for purpose". Thanks for posting. Looks like you both had a great day out.
Good weather helped with a great day out. I don't know how far you would get in a Grenadier without kidney failure. Thank you for sharing your adventure.
I like this podcast. My first time, because I'm interested in the Ineos, you two do a delightful, intelligent and down to earth review. Looking forward to more of them. Thank you.
Good stuff. My favorite was Vera's description of an off-road washing machine. But I got some not-great news: Sasa left me a message yesterday and I have to call him back today, soon, so if you see this comment, maybe give me a call, or at least let me know if "by Wednesday" is an ok answer.
@@Vera_and_Christian Well, I figure this is the best way to get a hold of you, especially since my whatsapp isn't working right now. It looks like you guys had fun. I like the Spanish dude.
Ineos have done a great job so far. What an impressive machine. I like the future proofing switches too. My only dislike is the front end. The grill, inset lights and the rounded corners just look odd. I keep being reminded of a model of sangyung musso we had here in Australia. Some of the oddest designed cars about. Also reminds me of when people take an early series (lights in grill) and with add lights in the guards.
I kind of look at it as the front end was changed enough to escape getting sued by LR for basically making a rig that looks like a Defender. A bit more "Defender-ish" in the front end wouldn't put me off and I love the interior spec. Way, way beyond the nearly all-metal interior of the last LR I had, which was a '95 ex-MOD radio truck 110 that came out of the BATUS base in Alberta.
We were really skeptical of the Ineos ever since we saw the first picture a couple of years ago. But seeing it in person, I have to say: Ineos picked up where Land Rover messed up. It is a cool car, especially for someone coming from that passionate Discovery 3 and Defender background. The New Defender, it just does not give you that feeling. Evenso we love the New Defender too, but it is just so much more expensive. 🙋♀️Vera
I was pleasantly surprised to see your video pop up in my notifications area today (Friday in Australia). thank you for sharing your day at the auto show. LR TIME twice in a week is a treat! I hope you are doing your usual Sunday video also.
There is a stark difference between the ride of the LandRover Defender and the Grenadier. Although the Grenadier has been touted as what the new Defender should be it certainly appears very rough and rugged to off road in. Nice look at both those vehicles Vera and Christian, thanks.
I couldn't wait to get home chill out and watch this on the big television. Fantastic as always you both never disappoint. Thank you for the prompt last video . on how to get my LRTIME badges & stickers for my Sport . Veilen Danke 😊
Great Work 'Team LR Time.' So good to have you report-in on this pair of vehicles. So topical! Heh Christian, with temperatures at the Allrad fairground reaching 32^Celsius, you're starting to resemble a nice, mild day here in Australia. Love your work.
Freaking Christian is cracking me up with his comments, especially asking if there is a "check engine light on" during the Defender test ride. I can't get enough of his funny LR comments.
Interesting vid. I'm anxiously waiting to see the Grenadiers over here in Canada, supposedly next year. Looks to be a fair advancement on the old Defender (had a '95 110 ex-MOD once), a decent combination of old and new by the look of it. I have to say I loved your check engine light comment, especially the bit about the check engine light be broken. Poor LR rep having to deal with that, eh? Anyway, as always an enjoyable vid. Thanks!
I still prefer my old D3. She got all new front upper and lower control arms and front diff seals. Drives much nicer. Rear upper and lower arms plus bib bushes next month. She will drive like new then. Air struts done last Dec
Nice video, like always. I spotted you both yesterday, 2 times at the All rad messe in Bad Kissingen. And i wanted to ask Christian when he Finally buy a Toyota. but I didn't dare.
Loved the way the Grenadier was named after the pub where the team behind the project met and decided to build it. I hope it's successful. The engineering can't be worse than Landrover's. It always amazes me when I see all the Range Rovers in MB's back yard, that the G-Wagen platform was never adapted and has only remained in its specialised market (eg; Chelsea, London & the like). On a positive note, at least Landrover's engineering continue to provide your channel with lots of product improvement material and opportunity for humour and making us laugh. Great channel guys. Apologies for owning a Toyota!
Great to see yous guys and l did similar to what you are doing today after the demonstration - l went ahead and bought a brand new Range Rover - within 3 months taking it on holiday in mid France the suspension collapsed - l telephoned LR U.K. and they were rather peeved l was “bothering them” asking me what l expected them to do - l kinda sorta said, well, lm asking for my guarantee, after giving you £68k for a new motor car lm now walking the streets. A part of the demonstration was footage of Range Rovers going over mountains thru deep rivers gorges loads of mud etc etc - l slowly drove thru nothing more than a rut in the road - LR tried first to blame me for careless usage - l suffered it for 1 year - that vehicle was the most l have ever lost from any vehicle in my whole life in money blood pressure and heart - never again
Vera reminds me of my first wife, also German, with funny little phrases like "Heilige Bim Bam" and making fun of German syntax: "There are certain things up with which I will not put!"
Ich habe dich neu Defender hier in England I've put 6000 miles on it I've had no problems at all I did 1500 miles in 4 days to Normandy and back that include off-roading all day l I can say is a very comfortable Beast on long journey and excellent off road
Good to see you getting out and mixing with other 4x4 people. I got a nice exposure to the LR 4x4 community when I joined my local LR club. I hope you too have a good experience. I took a ride in the 2b Grenadier prototype when it toured Australia. I loved the engine and gearbox. It just felt strong and smooth to me. Unfortunately I have not compared it to a new defender ☹️. I have experienced beam axles in my 94/95 Defender and my 2a Discovery and found the Grenadier not much different. I suspect that with traction aids like lockers and traction control independent suspension is not as much of a problem as it once was. I am sure your LR 3 & 4 will do the job for a while longer until the Grenadier starts to hit the secondhand market. Great video guys and the only OMG I can remember was Christian’s.
Wow 2 brand new trucks and so different. The LR looked so smooth and controlled and on road tyres but the Grenadier was a very bumpy ride, it just looked like an old school 110, even the D3 and 4 would be smoother off road and way more controlled. The Grenadier was noisy too. Apart from a fancy lighting panel I'd stick with the LR and I so much wanted the Grenadier to be better but it just looked like an old LR parts bin had been emptied into a pile and the back looks clumsy and the seats don't even fold completely flat. It will still have it's fans but not a worry for me as I can't afford either 😁🤣. I'll be sticking with my D2 and fixing my D3 for keeps.
I was wondering when you may come across a Bronco. I picked up mind last November and love it! Would be fun to see a video of you two test driving one.
@ Vera - what was the foot well space like? Apparently there is a bit of the right hand side floor area near the transmission tunnel, which looks like a super large foot rest. This elevated area is due to the position of the DPF or catalytic converter right behind it. So the floor plan is needing to be designed to provide some space for it. So I am wondering if you feel that there is a significant amount of reduced left foot legroom on the right hand side of the vehicle.
I a have to say it again, before making mean statements: I am fanatic fan of Land Rover and former owner of: Discovery I 3 doors and 5 doors, Discovery II, Discovery II face-lift, Discovery III and LR4. Old Defender 110, Range Rovers ... Now I gave up.. no more... for any off road activities I have a 2006 Mitsubishi Pajero Limited Edition LWB, 3.8L V6, 5 speed automatic
It looks like you had a great time. Now maybe your LR is in good enough shape to take on an adventure? BTW, Vera looked awesome next to that Power Wagon! 😁
Hey, that was such a great review of the German off road show. Well done, better than the professionals. Loved the review of the Grenadier and you're experiences of the ride for air and coil suspension and independent and solid axles. The helicopter panel and the hatches are awesome, but I think they made a mistake with the solid axles which are only for rugby players and bouncers in Africa! The ride in my old 90 was terrible. At least they went for Eibach springs and Koni shocks rather than Tenneco or ZF, they will help make the ride and handling better. 😃
Grenadier is next level for proper four wheel drives, none of this irs stuff, live axle and coils . What people also forget the defender has absolutely no aftermarket products by design, only Landrover accessories with Landrover prices .
lol. by next level you must mean a small fuel tank, no place to add an extended range tank, poor ground clearance and an interference engine w/ a timing belt on the BACK of the engine.....yeah...ok.
That was like our Overland Expo shows here in the U.S.. The IG is very bouncy compared to the LRD. I really do like the overhead interior features of the IG. Did the Power Wagon and Bronco have Diesel engines or gasoline? Great video and thank you for taking us along.
Looks like a good day out, I think the defender looks so much better with white steel wheels rather then fancy alloys, the grenadier seems like a good idea and I know you liked the buttons above but for me it looked to busy with all those buttons and switches and the ride looked so rough, I actually prefer your LR3/4 then the grenadier to be honest.
Glad you enjoyed your time there. What happened at 08:39 Did he stall it?!!. Can you turn the TC completely off?. The diff lock switches on the roof are a dumb idea, in the centre console would be better imo. I also wish they'd used the Cummins ISB instead of the BMW diesel. Sure the solid axle/coil spring is not as smooth as the Pretender but it's also less complicated than the LR air ride. So the trade off is worth it in my opinion especially having dealt with installing the front axle in a mates d22. And yes, I'm aware of the effect unsprung weight has on comfort. I love the channel and will stay subscribed when it's IG Time😉
Really nice guys as always , i think we need a "thoughts and inmpressions " video on the Grenadier . Most people have only seen prototype vehicles , it seems that you have seen the most up to date version of the vehicle ( the one that was blocked off ) even dare i say final version .
Evening Vera and Christian from sunny Spain 🇪🇸 A lovely way of chilling at the end of the day watching you both test drive different 4X4 especially the Ineos Grenadier which should of been built in the U.K. except for stupid Brexit 😫 Take care until Sunday’s exciting episode woohoo 🙌
great vid! it would be very interesting to see it on the same terrain as the defender as the second test track looked alot bumpier! from other reports it is very smooth off road! it was funning you looked impressed in the new defender but looked like you were having fun in the ineos! very different cars! I think you should buy one! be really good for your channel :)
@@Vera_and_Christian Interesting you say that as the main take away from the video was that you though the Ineos was harsh/ washing machine! How does it compare to a Discovery 3 in terms of drive and practicality? that is what i have now and thinking of changing to an ineos! :)
@@scmtbcoach2477 We will be getting into that as, come Sunday. To tell you the truth, we were completely taken by surprise and the test drive was over in less than 5 min. So we couldn't really get into the vehicle. That is unfortunate, if had more time we could have expressed our real feelings on camera. But we had to live with the footage that we had. We also had camera issues due to the heat. The Grenadier guy who talked to Christian was incredible, but the footage was just damaged.We are editing a video for this Sunday on how we stand on the Grenadier and and what our plans are. But I can tell you that much, we feel the passion and excitement in the Grenadier community. And they are almost all current Land Rover drivers. 👍🙋♀Vera
We have lived for almost 10 years in Michigan, and I beg to differ. But I am sorry if you are offended. We speak English as a second language. Making these videos is a weekly task of almost 20 hours plus more. I really, really, really do think that we can be forgiven a couple of mistakes.🙋♀Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian I am very sorry for the misunderstanding… I was not offended in the least and certainly didn’t wish to cause any offense. I was merely pointing out that the term PS, at least in my part of North America is relatively unknown. It was only meant as a suggestion to help you with future videos. Your English is very good and I know that creating such video content is a lot of work. I would encourage you to continue to do so as, I have enjoyed your content as I’m sure many others have as well… My background is half German, with my mother coming from West Germany and I spent many years in Germany myself…
great day out and presentation, thankyou. Everytime I see the IG in demo it "dings", it did it here in Australia too, that would be a deal breaker for me.... I hate dinging.
We are Land Rover drivers and used to all sort of bings and bongs. 😅 There was no obvious fault and this car was a prototype, not a final version. So we are not too critical about it. Also, I really think it is unreasonable to expect a brand new developed car to have no hick ups at all. This car with all the unknowns, would deliver great content for our channel.😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Go on Vera go for another look at the Grenadier it may be the new kid on the block but its engineered my Magna Steer German engineering made in an EX Mercedes factory with a little bit of English design thrown in a match made in heaven a spitfire made by Messerschmitt.
Oh you are lucky. Haven’t seen the Grenadier here in Norway yet. Seems to be a proper overland vehicle. Not so sure about the new Defender, it looks great, but it’s to much of a Chelsea tractor with lo-pro wheels and no proper diff locks. And of course If you want to go all the way, there is always the Unimog in Brabus or AMG version 😄
Another great video 👍 An OMG from Christian!! Never heard that before.....and I can't believe that you two ever argue 😉 The Grenadier does have a pretty cool overhead switch panel with lots of features and also a lot of vehicle parts from well known manufacturers. It's a shame that the ride was so terrible as it's looks are very good. As for the LR, I think they made a bad move away from the old 110's and should have badged the new Defender as the Discovery 5 instead and badged the new Disco 5 as something else? something Range Rovery....Anyway, a good report from the show and as usual very interesting. Take care you two.
The ride was not terrible. It was actually the first time ever that I have been on a offroad track with solid axles. And just 10 minutes before I was sitting in the New Defender. You know what I mean. And yes, we all agree that the name giving by Land Rover has been a mistake. What I liked the most about the Grenadier, was the passion that the driver had. And that is what Land Rover people like us have. We just have so much passion and excitment. I was missing that from Land Rover driver. 🙋♀️Vera
Great video you two. I spent 2 hours with a New Def 110 at our 4x4 course here in Cornwall,UK. I was teaching the owner how all the electronic systems work and where to use them. Also where to choose a different one over the obvious choice. The two problems we had were the width, so not fitting between many of our trees lining the tracks and concerns over the sidewall of the tyres. I would love to have a go in the Grenadier but I am worried that similar width problems. It looked like the Grenadier driver was driving faster and the course he was on was rougher. The LR course looked very smooth. Great joke about the engine light. But next time ask if he has the 'three amigos!' Thanks
As a current XC90 driver and ex D3 (x2) and D4 owner, I'm looking to change back into something more 'lifestyle'. We used to use the Discoveries for what they were designed for, but as good as the XC90 is, it just isn't right (but in two years its never broken down!😂). Yesterday I came close to buying a new Defender 110 from a cancelled order but the boot is tiny, so should I look at a Grenadier?
Hallo ihr Dieburger, ich habe mich köstlichst amüsiert, danke! "a broken check engine light", ich werf' mich weg! ;-) Grüße aus Groß-Bieberau rüber nach Dieburg!
@@Vera_and_Christian HAM-MER! Ist ja wohl sonnenklar, dass ich mal vorbei komme! Wir waren am Mittwoch und Donnerstag auch in Bad Kissingen - wegen des Grenadiers (und wegen "The Sunnyside"). Der Grenadier bereitet mir seit drei Jahren schlaflose Nächte, aber das wäre mal ein nettes Thema bei einem Kaffee. Ob in Lichtenberg oder hier ... Wir sehen von unserem Balkon übrigens das Lichtenberger Schloss mitsamt Sommerfeuerwerk. :-) Schreibt mal an meine Müll-Adresse ed.bew_ta_ottabs, was hier natürlich rückwärts geschrieben ist .... Ihr bekommt dann eine ordentliche EMail Adresse zurück. Freu mich drauf :-) Achja: zum "check-engine-light" (das war einfach köstlich), da dachte ich zuerst, es käme daher: ua-cam.com/video/BtdBunnvnq4/v-deo.html ;-)
@@obertan_1 Ja ist ja geil. Aber dann kannst du auch unser Haus sehen. Wir wohnen direkt hinter der scharfen Kurve wenn man von Niedernhausen aus hochfährt. Überm Zeltplatz. Mein Auto ist ja auch nicht zu übersehen wenn der im Hof steht. Uns gehts mit dem Grenadier genauso. Und seit wir den in echt gesehen haben sind wir total begeistert. 😅 Schreib mir ne email bitte. Die info findest du unter Kanalinfo. Wir können in den Kommentaren leider keine emails oder Handynummern, oder sogar Adressen veröffentlichen. Das wird von UA-cam sofort blockiert. Viele Grüße Vera
A lot of 3d printed parts when Ineos came to Toronto. The one they had goes 50M from the trailer to the display and back. Plug in hybrid Jeep Rubicon 4xe looks interesting but Jeep build quality. Even putting costs aside I have still not found a better vehicle than the LR3.
Christian will have a blast with his 3D printer if we would get one. But don't worry, the final version here had no 3d printed parts anymore, it looked so good. 👍🙋♀️Vera
Hi, Christian-Vera! What a great and fun experience you had there. A question, please, what was that beep sound repeatedly occur during driving the Grenadier? What was that beep indicate for? Thanks in advance!
Thank you for sharing! I'd love your opinion on this since you drove in both the Defender and the Grenadier back-to-back: IF he drove the Grenadier as slowly as the Defender was driven, how would you say they would compare in terms of ride? For example, do you think the Grenadier is innately rough, or was that mostly the driver? Maybe he was just trying to make the line shorter by racing through... would have been nice for it to be driven in a relaxed fashion so you could compare. As it is hard for us viewers to gauge... might you make a comment here about the overall feel, ignoring the speed difference in driving?
This is hard to say. The track was different too. The LR track was smooth. The Grenadier track was rough. I think nothing beats the air suspension of the Defender but the durability of the Grenadier is likely the buying criteria for many folks. Christian
The Grenadier is a great car but you could save a fortune and just buy and old Defender. Have a look at the Land Rover Experience at Eastnor Castle. They’ll let you drive a new Defender around the proving grounds. My wife and I did it last year, great day out.
@@Pandora882 Mine did, its a 110 Td5 so as long as you dont drive it through a 4x4 accessory shop to cover it in stuff that will never be used, it does.
It could be a broken check engine light… love it :-)
Have you seen our review of the New Defender 90 we did last year? 😅🙋♀Vera
I dont think the German guy got Christians English sense of humour. Wd did.
Christian's humour is spot on. So funny.
Great to have an early video from you guys 👍 excellent job and I love the humour, as an Irish fan we share your sense of sarcasm 😂😂😂 pity the LR guy didn’t get it🥸.
Love you guys, thank you. I own a LR Disco 4 which I love but am also purchasing an Ineos Grenadier. Loved your feedback. Stay safe
I just love you two, you make me smile in each video you put out, you have the ability to make (I know it is for me not sure about the other subscribers) people feel at home and comfortable
Thank you for sharing your experiences and Trials also tribulations with the Land Rover species.
I'm not sure, do you spend more time fixing your two or driving them? Grin and ducking 😁
My 1996 Toyota lwb 2.8l diesel Hi-ace Van only requires the odd drop of diesel, a good oil change occasionally, and the usual maintenance, even at the ripe old vintage of 320,000kms
Two separate mechanics said I haven't even broken it in yet 🤔 the way I look after it I should get a million kms out of it (if I live that long lol)
This is my second Hi-ace my first was a 1977 petrol I had for about 12 years
BTW a new 2022 Toyota lwb Hi-ace diesel van is 50,200 AUD at present if you could get one (global demand etc)
With all seriousness, I am hugely amazed at your skills and knowledge Christian
Your workmanship on your vehicles is extremely impressive and even though I may not ever afford to own a new Land Rover (if I ever brought a 4x4 I would go for a LR especially the older models)
I have learnt valuable lessons from your videos and enjoy your mechanical skills.
Thank you both for such wonderful videos
Tony from Western Australia 🇦🇺
Me fill the same. So lovely.
You have the best Land Rover channel on UA-cam. When I was about to upgrade my LR3 I watched your comparison using Vera's LR3 to the new L4 and I decided to stay with the brand. Keep posting I'll continue watching.. really love the chemistry you have with one another it is beautiful.
Hello Vera ! Hello Christian ! First of all, thank you very much for the informative videos, which are instructive but also entertaining. I myself have been a Land Rover Fan here in Germany for decades, I restore Series 1 Land Rovers and have driven an S1 (400,000 km) and an S3 (200,000 km) Discovery for 25 years. Both Discovery's weren't bad, but the S1 was more reliable. What bothered me about the S3 were the many little things that always cropped up when you couldn't use them at all. Although the new Defender is more appealing in design than an Ineos, I've now settled on the Grenadier. Your last video. "A completely normal Land Rover week / C1A07-62 error". was confirmation for me that it was the right decision. Who needs mistakes like that? Looking forward to get the Ineos delivered in September 2022.
Land Rover !
An Indian Company (Tata) making a so called Britsh vehicle in Slovakia.
About as British as a Chinese MG !
My American Jeep Grand Cherokee was also made in a Mercedes factory in Graz, Austria !
Finally confirmation on LHD that there isn't a bump out in the front well! TY
I discovered your channel a couple weeks ago as I was looking for information on Land Rovers as I was looking for my first LR purchase. Thank you so much for all your info, knowledge and fun times in your videos. Christian, great engineering approach on the LRs and Vera, thanks for keeping him on target; managing his output... Vera, you're a good boss!
I cant wait to see the New Ineos Grenadier . Beautiful Creation .Far better than Land Rover -I owned Rovers 35 yrs ,
Vera wants to order it now and she is bugging me none stop. Christian
Broken *check engine light* - such a funny awkward situation. It seems LR ppl do not share your healthy attitude towards LR build quality.
There's something wrong...the check engine light is a/ not illuminated or b/broken.
When we test drove the D90, the light was on. So valid question. Check that video! Christian
Yes, the Testdrive in the LR was smoother, but you can't compare it like this...
1: The Ineos is a complete different 4x4, without 150Gadgets, Cameras and Computers, without Air-Ride...etc...
2: It was a complete different Track
You can't compare 2 Cars when they don't drive under the same conditions.
Totally agree with you. Christian
At 1:45 the Defender driver Brian is correct, the most reliable component on a landrover is the check engine light :It always work without fail. 👍😄
Had my Defender 110 from new for around 20 months. The best Land Rover I've owned to date, never had an issue, but then I look after mine and don't drive it like a twat.
It certainly looked like a fabulous day out. Well done guys for making a video of it. :-)
Another great video, always a delight to watch - thank you.
Great video, lots of interesting content. The grenadier which was originally to be built in South Wales (UK) after receiving millions of £s in funding, was then moved to be produced in an unused Mercedes factory in France with BMW engines. Once I get over that, the vehicle certainly seems "built for purpose". Thanks for posting. Looks like you both had a great day out.
Hi Christian and Vera, it's an off road paradise 👏
Thank you for taking me with you .
Good weather helped with a great day out. I don't know how far you would get in a Grenadier without kidney failure. Thank you for sharing your adventure.
Thanks for the video, what a lovely couple! You are doing a great job.
The new defender is the real replacement for the Disco 4
Yes, indeed. Very nice car. Christian
The Grenadier ride seems far worst than the new Defender 😮. What an amazing difference pleased you mentioned it.
I like this podcast. My first time, because I'm interested in the Ineos, you two do a delightful, intelligent and down to earth review. Looking forward to more of them. Thank you.
😃🙏🙋♀️Vera
Good stuff. My favorite was Vera's description of an off-road washing machine.
But I got some not-great news: Sasa left me a message yesterday and I have to call him back today, soon, so if you see this comment, maybe give me a call, or at least let me know if "by Wednesday" is an ok answer.
Hmm. Yes, Wednesday is ok. Receiving pressure through video comments is a new one 😫Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian Well, I figure this is the best way to get a hold of you, especially since my whatsapp isn't working right now. It looks like you guys had fun. I like the Spanish dude.
great video and short review about the Grenadier! Thanks for sharing.
Hope you can test drive one in full detail in the future.
We hope so too. Hope you come back for this Sunday's video about the Grenadier.👍🙋♀Vera
Ineos have done a great job so far. What an impressive machine. I like the future proofing switches too.
My only dislike is the front end. The grill, inset lights and the rounded corners just look odd. I keep being reminded of a model of sangyung musso we had here in Australia. Some of the oddest designed cars about. Also reminds me of when people take an early series (lights in grill) and with add lights in the guards.
I kind of look at it as the front end was changed enough to escape getting sued by LR for basically making a rig that looks like a Defender. A bit more "Defender-ish" in the front end wouldn't put me off and I love the interior spec. Way, way beyond the nearly all-metal interior of the last LR I had, which was a '95 ex-MOD radio truck 110 that came out of the BATUS base in Alberta.
We were really skeptical of the Ineos ever since we saw the first picture a couple of years ago. But seeing it in person, I have to say: Ineos picked up where Land Rover messed up. It is a cool car, especially for someone coming from that passionate Discovery 3 and Defender background. The New Defender, it just does not give you that feeling. Evenso we love the New Defender too, but it is just so much more expensive. 🙋♀️Vera
In my Town , Skipton N. Yorks, they are opening a new Ineos showroom.
In the same town they have Toyotas for the farmers.
I was pleasantly surprised to see your video pop up in my notifications area today (Friday in Australia). thank you for sharing your day at the auto show. LR TIME twice in a week is a treat! I hope you are doing your usual Sunday video also.
I am sure we'll get it ready. 😅💪🙋♀Vera
There is a stark difference between the ride of the LandRover Defender and the Grenadier. Although the Grenadier has been touted as what the new Defender should be it certainly appears very rough and rugged to off road in. Nice look at both those vehicles Vera and Christian, thanks.
Love the idea of the INEOS. The test drive looked rough.
The trail was rough. We loved the ride😅. Our driver definitely had an adventurous spirit.👍🙋♀️
I couldn't wait to get home chill out and watch this on the big television. Fantastic as always you both never disappoint. Thank you for the prompt last video . on how to get my LRTIME badges & stickers for my Sport . Veilen Danke 😊
Great Work 'Team LR Time.' So good to have you report-in on this pair of vehicles. So topical! Heh Christian, with temperatures at the Allrad fairground reaching 32^Celsius, you're starting to resemble a nice, mild day here in Australia. Love your work.
🙏The best thing to cool off in those temperature is a Radler. It's a mix of beer and Lemonade. 😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Freaking Christian is cracking me up with his comments, especially asking if there is a "check engine light on" during the Defender test ride. I can't get enough of his funny LR comments.
You got to watch this video, then you'll know why he said that. 😅👍ua-cam.com/video/Uba4gNckGUw/v-deo.html 🙋♀️Vera
Oh boy. I am thumbing up this video even before i view it. There is so much buzz for IG - I cannot wait till their price comes down in 5 years.
"check engine light must be broken"..... Haha...keeping it real.
Interesting vid. I'm anxiously waiting to see the Grenadiers over here in Canada, supposedly next year. Looks to be a fair advancement on the old Defender (had a '95 110 ex-MOD once), a decent combination of old and new by the look of it. I have to say I loved your check engine light comment, especially the bit about the check engine light be broken. Poor LR rep having to deal with that, eh? Anyway, as always an enjoyable vid. Thanks!
Wow just caught your videos today and have watched a couple of them , so good and detailed will have to binge watch the rest of them.
Thank you. Don't miss out on our new video today. 😃🙏🙋♀️Vera
Really enjoyed this, thank you 🙏
Another great video and very noticeable difference in the ride quality.
Regards
Peter
I still prefer my old D3. She got all new front upper and lower control arms and front diff seals. Drives much nicer. Rear upper and lower arms plus bib bushes next month. She will drive like new then. Air struts done last Dec
Yes, I am with you. But I did enjoy the day out, and I also am now 100% sure that we will never drive/own a Toyota. 🙋♀Vera
Received my sticker and patch thank you Vera
I WOULD BUY THE Ineos, over any land rover
Nice video, like always. I spotted you both yesterday, 2 times at the All rad messe in Bad Kissingen.
And i wanted to ask Christian when he Finally buy a Toyota. but I didn't dare.
Outstanding you guys!
Loved the way the Grenadier was named after the pub where the team behind the project met and decided to build it. I hope it's successful. The engineering can't be worse than Landrover's. It always amazes me when I see all the Range Rovers in MB's back yard, that the G-Wagen platform was never adapted and has only remained in its specialised market (eg; Chelsea, London & the like). On a positive note, at least Landrover's engineering continue to provide your channel with lots of product improvement material and opportunity for humour and making us laugh. Great channel guys. Apologies for owning a Toyota!
Thanks! I enjoyed this video!
Nice ..you guys are fantastic
Gans tol. Danke
Great to see yous guys and l did similar to what you are doing today after the demonstration - l went ahead and bought a brand new Range Rover - within 3 months taking it on holiday in mid France the suspension collapsed - l telephoned LR U.K. and they were rather peeved l was “bothering them” asking me what l expected them to do - l kinda sorta said, well, lm asking for my guarantee, after giving you £68k for a new motor car lm now walking the streets. A part of the demonstration was footage of Range Rovers going over mountains thru deep rivers gorges loads of mud etc etc - l slowly drove thru nothing more than a rut in the road - LR tried first to blame me for careless usage - l suffered it for 1 year - that vehicle was the most l have ever lost from any vehicle in my whole life in money blood pressure and heart - never again
Excellent little video 😊👍
Vera reminds me of my first wife, also German, with funny little phrases like "Heilige Bim Bam" and making fun of German syntax: "There are certain things up with which I will not put!"
Ich habe dich neu Defender hier in England I've put 6000 miles on it I've had no problems at all I did 1500 miles in 4 days to Normandy and back that include off-roading all day l I can say is a very comfortable Beast on long journey and excellent off road
Its Friday! Very pleasant surprise!
Very jealous! Hope to get to Abenteuer Allrad next year!
Vera in front of the Ram 😀 . Great show
Brilliant 👏👏👏👏 Thank you
Good to see you getting out and mixing with other 4x4 people. I got a nice exposure to the LR 4x4 community when I joined my local LR club. I hope you too have a good experience.
I took a ride in the 2b Grenadier prototype when it toured Australia. I loved the engine and gearbox. It just felt strong and smooth to me. Unfortunately I have not compared it to a new defender ☹️. I have experienced beam axles in my 94/95 Defender and my 2a Discovery and found the Grenadier not much different. I suspect that with traction aids like lockers and traction control independent suspension is not as much of a problem as it once was. I am sure your LR 3 & 4 will do the job for a while longer until the Grenadier starts to hit the secondhand market.
Great video guys and the only OMG I can remember was Christian’s.
Wow 2 brand new trucks and so different. The LR looked so smooth and controlled and on road tyres but the Grenadier was a very bumpy ride, it just looked like an old school 110, even the D3 and 4 would be smoother off road and way more controlled. The Grenadier was noisy too. Apart from a fancy lighting panel I'd stick with the LR and I so much wanted the Grenadier to be better but it just looked like an old LR parts bin had been emptied into a pile and the back looks clumsy and the seats don't even fold completely flat. It will still have it's fans but not a worry for me as I can't afford either 😁🤣. I'll be sticking with my D2 and fixing my D3 for keeps.
We really liked the Grenadier. Go have a look at one im person at an Expo in the UK. 👍🙋♀️Vera
Get a Grenadier with the second battery and Vera can do making coffee demonstrations.
Hi Christian and Vera yeah those off road trailers are expensive!
At 14:36 Minutes I thought Christian said “That is a Beefeater Yoda”. That so cool at the Tower of London would look
Lol. Christian
A mid week treat
I had no idea that the ineos came equipped with so much quality material!!
Mate, my Toyota LC gives the same ride as the Ineos on the road. Loved the video guys.
Unfortunately there was no LC on the test track. We wanted to drive one too. Christian
LMAO @ Greenhouse Terrorists... love it. Thanks for sharing.
What happened to Saturday? A very nice surprise on a Friday afternoon. Shame they did not let you drive the Defender and INEOS
I was wondering when you may come across a Bronco. I picked up mind last November and love it! Would be fun to see a video of you two test driving one.
They are extremely rare. Only some gray imports and some US military folks have one. No chance to find a ride. Christian
@ Vera - what was the foot well space like? Apparently there is a bit of the right hand side floor area near the transmission tunnel, which looks like a super large foot rest. This elevated area is due to the position of the DPF or catalytic converter right behind it. So the floor plan is needing to be designed to provide some space for it. So I am wondering if you feel that there is a significant amount of reduced left foot legroom on the right hand side of the vehicle.
I a have to say it again, before making mean statements: I am fanatic fan of Land Rover and former owner of: Discovery I 3 doors and 5 doors, Discovery II, Discovery II face-lift, Discovery III and LR4. Old Defender 110, Range Rovers ... Now I gave up.. no more... for any off road activities I have a 2006 Mitsubishi Pajero Limited Edition LWB, 3.8L V6, 5 speed automatic
Now.. if I was going on an expedition... Dune, Sands.. rocks 🪨 offroad terrain.. I would take an LC300 3.5 Twin Turbo
It looks like you had a great time. Now maybe your LR is in good enough shape to take on an adventure?
BTW, Vera looked awesome next to that Power Wagon! 😁
Very interesting video thank you.
"It could be a broken check engine light", this man knows his Rovers!
Hey, that was such a great review of the German off road show. Well done, better than the professionals. Loved the review of the Grenadier and you're experiences of the ride for air and coil suspension and independent and solid axles. The helicopter panel and the hatches are awesome, but I think they made a mistake with the solid axles which are only for rugby players and bouncers in Africa! The ride in my old 90 was terrible. At least they went for Eibach springs and Koni shocks rather than Tenneco or ZF, they will help make the ride and handling better. 😃
Grenadier is next level for proper four wheel drives, none of this irs stuff, live axle and coils . What people also forget the defender has absolutely no aftermarket products by design, only Landrover accessories with Landrover prices .
That’s the whole idea. LR figured out that 3rd party equipment suppliers were making more money than them. In time there’ll be a better selection
lol. by next level you must mean a small fuel tank, no place to add an extended range tank, poor ground clearance and an interference engine w/ a timing belt on the BACK of the engine.....yeah...ok.
I would buy one in a heartbeat...the grenadier that is. Hopefully they will be available in South America
What I like most “is that the driver has an Austrian accent” 😂😂😂
That was like our Overland Expo shows here in the U.S.. The IG is very bouncy compared to the LRD. I really do like the overhead interior features of the IG. Did the Power Wagon and Bronco have Diesel engines or gasoline? Great video and thank you for taking us along.
Both petrol. The RAM had a 6.4L Hemi. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian i wonder how that would do in Germany? I guess if you can afford to buy it you should be able to afford to fill the tank.
Looks like a good day out, I think the defender looks so much better with white steel wheels rather then fancy alloys, the grenadier seems like a good idea and I know you liked the buttons above but for me it looked to busy with all those buttons and switches and the ride looked so rough, I actually prefer your LR3/4 then the grenadier to be honest.
Based on my experience with my 2012 Range Rover Sport's electronics, I'd opt for the Grenadier
Glad you enjoyed your time there.
What happened at 08:39 Did he stall it?!!. Can you turn the TC completely off?.
The diff lock switches on the roof are a dumb idea, in the centre console would be better imo. I also wish they'd used the Cummins ISB instead of the BMW diesel.
Sure the solid axle/coil spring is not as smooth as the Pretender but it's also less complicated than the LR air ride. So the trade off is worth it in my opinion especially having dealt with installing the front axle in a mates d22. And yes, I'm aware of the effect unsprung weight has on comfort.
I love the channel and will stay subscribed when it's IG Time😉
Really nice guys as always , i think we need a "thoughts and inmpressions " video on the Grenadier . Most people have only seen prototype vehicles , it seems that you have seen the most up to date version of the vehicle ( the one that was blocked off ) even dare i say final version .
That video will most likely be coming. 😃💪🙋♀Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Yes get into a Grenadier cant wait for your review /opinion.
Evening Vera and Christian from sunny Spain 🇪🇸 A lovely way of chilling at the end of the day watching you both test drive different 4X4 especially the Ineos Grenadier which should of been built in the U.K. except for stupid Brexit 😫 Take care until Sunday’s exciting episode woohoo 🙌
great vid! it would be very interesting to see it on the same terrain as the defender as the second test track looked alot bumpier! from other reports it is very smooth off road! it was funning you looked impressed in the new defender but looked like you were having fun in the ineos! very different cars! I think you should buy one! be really good for your channel :)
I think the Ineos would eat that LR track in a heart beat just as smooth. What a great vehicle. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian Interesting you say that as the main take away from the video was that you though the Ineos was harsh/ washing machine! How does it compare to a Discovery 3 in terms of drive and practicality? that is what i have now and thinking of changing to an ineos! :)
@@scmtbcoach2477 We will be getting into that as, come Sunday. To tell you the truth, we were completely taken by surprise and the test drive was over in less than 5 min. So we couldn't really get into the vehicle. That is unfortunate, if had more time we could have expressed our real feelings on camera. But we had to live with the footage that we had. We also had camera issues due to the heat. The Grenadier guy who talked to Christian was incredible, but the footage was just damaged.We are editing a video for this Sunday on how we stand on the Grenadier and and what our plans are. But I can tell you that much, we feel the passion and excitement in the Grenadier community. And they are almost all current Land Rover drivers. 👍🙋♀Vera
Great news 👍 look forward to seeing it 🤩
Enjoyable and fun video...Danke! Just an FYI...Most Anglos won't know what PS is...i.e. Pherde Staerke...(horse power)...Our abbreviation is HP...
I think most car enthusiasts know what PS means and will forgive us if we say PS instead of HP by accident.🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Thanks for your response… Perhaps people are smarter in Europe, but we’re not as enlightened over here in North America.
We have lived for almost 10 years in Michigan, and I beg to differ. But I am sorry if you are offended. We speak English as a second language. Making these videos is a weekly task of almost 20 hours plus more. I really, really, really do think that we can be forgiven a couple of mistakes.🙋♀Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian I am very sorry for the misunderstanding… I was not offended in the least and certainly didn’t wish to cause any offense. I was merely pointing out that the term PS, at least in my part of North America is relatively unknown. It was only meant as a suggestion to help you with future videos. Your English is very good and I know that creating such video content is a lot of work. I would encourage you to continue to do so as, I have enjoyed your content as I’m sure many others have as well… My background is half German, with my mother coming from West Germany and I spent many years in Germany myself…
OMG Vera in a Grenadier what is it with you and English 4X4s??????
great day out and presentation, thankyou. Everytime I see the IG in demo it "dings", it did it here in Australia too, that would be a deal breaker for me.... I hate dinging.
We are Land Rover drivers and used to all sort of bings and bongs. 😅 There was no obvious fault and this car was a prototype, not a final version. So we are not too critical about it. Also, I really think it is unreasonable to expect a brand new developed car to have no hick ups at all. This car with all the unknowns, would deliver great content for our channel.😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Go on Vera go for another look at the Grenadier it may be the new kid on the block but its engineered my Magna Steer German engineering made in an EX Mercedes factory with a little bit of English design thrown in a match made in heaven a spitfire made by Messerschmitt.
Oh you are lucky. Haven’t seen the Grenadier here in Norway yet. Seems to be a proper overland vehicle. Not so sure about the new Defender, it looks great, but it’s to much of a Chelsea tractor with lo-pro wheels and no proper diff locks. And of course If you want to go all the way, there is always the Unimog in Brabus or AMG version 😄
Another great video 👍 An OMG from Christian!! Never heard that before.....and I can't believe that you two ever argue 😉 The Grenadier does have a pretty cool overhead switch panel with lots of features and also a lot of vehicle parts from well known manufacturers. It's a shame that the ride was so terrible as it's looks are very good. As for the LR, I think they made a bad move away from the old 110's and should have badged the new Defender as the Discovery 5 instead and badged the new Disco 5 as something else? something Range Rovery....Anyway, a good report from the show and as usual very interesting. Take care you two.
The ride was not terrible. It was actually the first time ever that I have been on a offroad track with solid axles. And just 10 minutes before I was sitting in the New Defender. You know what I mean. And yes, we all agree that the name giving by Land Rover has been a mistake. What I liked the most about the Grenadier, was the passion that the driver had. And that is what Land Rover people like us have. We just have so much passion and excitment. I was missing that from Land Rover driver. 🙋♀️Vera
I have been on test drives on off road tracks in both the petrol and the diesel and the ride is superb off road a lot better than mu 110 .
Great video you two.
I spent 2 hours with a New Def 110 at our 4x4 course here in Cornwall,UK. I was teaching the owner how all the electronic systems work and where to use them. Also where to choose a different one over the obvious choice.
The two problems we had were the width, so not fitting between many of our trees lining the tracks and concerns over the sidewall of the tyres.
I would love to have a go in the Grenadier but I am worried that similar width problems.
It looked like the Grenadier driver was driving faster and the course he was on was rougher. The LR course looked very smooth.
Great joke about the engine light. But next time ask if he has the 'three amigos!'
Thanks
As a current XC90 driver and ex D3 (x2) and D4 owner, I'm looking to change back into something more 'lifestyle'. We used to use the Discoveries for what they were designed for, but as good as the XC90 is, it just isn't right (but in two years its never broken down!😂). Yesterday I came close to buying a new Defender 110 from a cancelled order but the boot is tiny, so should I look at a Grenadier?
I didn't realise you guys could speak German 🙂..... Awesome vid , thank you
😅💪we are Germans. But we spent a greater part of our lives in the US.👍🙋♀️Vera
Like kids in a sweet shop.
Hallo ihr Dieburger,
ich habe mich köstlichst amüsiert, danke! "a broken check engine light", ich werf' mich weg! ;-)
Grüße aus Groß-Bieberau rüber nach Dieburg!
😅wir wohnen in Lichtenberg.👋Schau dir unser video zum Defender 90 an, Da kommt der Spruch mit dem Check Engine light her😂🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian HAM-MER! Ist ja wohl sonnenklar, dass ich mal vorbei komme!
Wir waren am Mittwoch und Donnerstag auch in Bad Kissingen - wegen des Grenadiers (und wegen "The Sunnyside"). Der Grenadier bereitet mir seit drei Jahren schlaflose Nächte, aber das wäre mal ein nettes Thema bei einem Kaffee. Ob in Lichtenberg oder hier ... Wir sehen von unserem Balkon übrigens das Lichtenberger Schloss mitsamt Sommerfeuerwerk. :-)
Schreibt mal an meine Müll-Adresse ed.bew_ta_ottabs, was hier natürlich rückwärts geschrieben ist .... Ihr bekommt dann eine ordentliche EMail Adresse zurück. Freu mich drauf :-)
Achja: zum "check-engine-light" (das war einfach köstlich), da dachte ich zuerst, es käme daher: ua-cam.com/video/BtdBunnvnq4/v-deo.html ;-)
@@obertan_1 Ja ist ja geil. Aber dann kannst du auch unser Haus sehen. Wir wohnen direkt hinter der scharfen Kurve wenn man von Niedernhausen aus hochfährt. Überm Zeltplatz. Mein Auto ist ja auch nicht zu übersehen wenn der im Hof steht. Uns gehts mit dem Grenadier genauso. Und seit wir den in echt gesehen haben sind wir total begeistert. 😅 Schreib mir ne email bitte. Die info findest du unter Kanalinfo. Wir können in den Kommentaren leider keine emails oder Handynummern, oder sogar Adressen veröffentlichen. Das wird von UA-cam sofort blockiert. Viele Grüße Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Mache ich!
A lot of 3d printed parts when Ineos came to Toronto. The one they had goes 50M from the trailer to the display and back. Plug in hybrid Jeep Rubicon 4xe looks interesting but Jeep build quality. Even putting costs aside I have still not found a better vehicle than the LR3.
Christian will have a blast with his 3D printer if we would get one. But don't worry, the final version here had no 3d printed parts anymore, it looked so good. 👍🙋♀️Vera
Hi, Christian-Vera! What a great and fun experience you had there. A question, please, what was that beep sound repeatedly occur during driving the Grenadier? What was that beep indicate for?
Thanks in advance!
We don‘t know. But it is unreasonable to expect that this vehicle will have no faults at all. We don‘t at least😅👍🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian I see. that potentially can be annoying, IMO 😊. Thanks for reply. Have a great day! Rgrds from Bali
Thank you for sharing! I'd love your opinion on this since you drove in both the Defender and the Grenadier back-to-back: IF he drove the Grenadier as slowly as the Defender was driven, how would you say they would compare in terms of ride? For example, do you think the Grenadier is innately rough, or was that mostly the driver? Maybe he was just trying to make the line shorter by racing through... would have been nice for it to be driven in a relaxed fashion so you could compare. As it is hard for us viewers to gauge... might you make a comment here about the overall feel, ignoring the speed difference in driving?
This is hard to say. The track was different too. The LR track was smooth. The Grenadier track was rough. I think nothing beats the air suspension of the Defender but the durability of the Grenadier is likely the buying criteria for many folks. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian thank you 😊
The handle in front of the passenger is the “Jesus” bar, usually that what is the passenger is saying when they grab it.
Lol. Christian
The Grenadier is a great car but you could save a fortune and just buy and old Defender. Have a look at the Land Rover Experience at Eastnor Castle. They’ll let you drive a new Defender around the proving grounds. My wife and I did it last year, great day out.
Believe me buying an old Defender won't save you a fortune
@@Pandora882 Mine did, its a 110 Td5 so as long as you dont drive it through a 4x4 accessory shop to cover it in stuff that will never be used, it does.
Test drove a 110 two years ago and it was very impressive off road but much less entertaining than my 2011 defender