Right. Why aren't foreign agents coming after this guy? It doesn't make any sense. But, we all know that they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.
After Jesse Ventura got elected Governor of Minnesota as an independent, CIA requested to meet with him because their analysts wanted to learn how he overcame the two party duopoly. He said one of the more interesting things about the meeting was "They were not what I expected. They were very ordinary-looking people, like the kind of people you'd see walking their dog, or who you'd wave to if they were your neighbors."
He stopped peoples clearance that had been out of office for years but were still meddling in foreign and domestic matters due to their still active security clearance. Thats why. This was for politicians also.
@qplus-tc5hh it's ok for drumpf to stop everyone else meddling in foreign affairs except for drumpf. Who kept all the govt intelligence files in Mary Largo , for fat orange
This dude is literally a spokesperson for the agency. It wasn’t enough to just be a former agency guy. He’s adopted the entire “im a cool long haired hippy, you can trust me, i’m just like you”. Not fooling anyone.
What?!? You mean the guy that only brings up things that have already been made public by the CIA and then turns around to praise and make clear they "don't do that anymore and are all working to make America safe."
@intelcom4964 Your name is intel and your saying a comparison between drug dealers and the CIA as ridiculous? Is this satire? If not Google "CIA sells drugs."
The CIA spiraled out of control in the 20 years after WW2, when "National Security" was sufficient justification for the military-industrial complex to run wild. They became untouchable when they engineered the killing of JFK, which they did because he was set on reining them in after they went under his nose for the Bay of Pigs incident. I doubt the really out of control part is even under the CIA umbrella now, congress knows about the CIA and can try to regulate them.
100% correct! He isn’t a “former” spy at all. He is 100% an agent and it’s funny most people don’t see it. He has been on 4238 podcast in 538 days 😂 anyone who thinks he isn’t spewing a controlled message is an idiot. He says spies don’t kill people 😂 every other spy interview they say “oh yeah we kill people”
This. To the T. Im not super interested in hearing him talk anymore after hearing him talk at length 3-4 different times He inadvertently reps the cia/war machines interests and he’s slick about it
At this point it’s obvious, the man has done so many podcast in the last year or so. The CIA isn’t about to let “former” employees go around spilling the beans
Props to Andrew for calling this dude out I loved it he and Mike Baker clearly work for cia still and it's all their assignment to do these interviews.
So Trump's private army, that he has absolved from criminal prosecutions.. Just like Putin has. Because if no intelligence is gathered on what happens behind the door, then that will happen
Keeping a Security Clearance after employment makes no sense. The first question asked is, "does this person have a need to know?" Having a clearance with that fact makes no sense.
It’s for the private/public partnership so private companies can work on (highly) classified programs for manufacturing or services ( Mussolini’s definition of Fascism).
Those are independent things. You can hold clearance for 5 years, it happens all the time. Does not mean you will get access to information, unless you are compartmentalized for it, need to know.
When I left the position in the federal government that gave me my top secret security clearance, I did not take it with me. I don't know if this guy's talking about
@@Doorkicker505 If your clearance was up to date, the company (that needs clearances) has an advantage as it costs them much less to transition it rather than starting from scratch.
Simply holding a clearance isn’t a ticket to whatever you want. There is still the need to know that is relevant. Once you have a clearance of whatever level there is no reason for it to be terminated unless for cause. Just put a pause on it so you don’t have to immediately fall into another job having a sponsoring owner to maintain.
I don’t know. As a former Air Force B-52 officer, I had a TS-SCI security clearance. My understanding was that it was in force for five years and then had to be done again, which would make you good for another five years. And I only had access to TS info I was cleared to know, meaning only info I needed for my specific job. That’s what’s meant by “compartmented.” I couldn’t read up on UFOs or the JFK hit. I didn’t have clearance to know about that shit. And, once I got out of the Air Force, I no longer had access to any Top Secret or even classified information. None! The only thing that made having that clearance important in the civilian world was that your employer knew that the feds had done a fairly thorough background investigation on you and hadn’t found anything “bad.”
I also had a TS from DHS. Your TS lasts 5 years. You have to go thru another full background check to keep your clearance going. It doesn't automatically renew itself. I don't think this guy knows what he's talking about. It's subtle mistakes like this that makes me believe that this guy might be full of crap
You're correct, unless you join a psuedo government agency/contractor immediately after you leave service. Many reserve personnel have the leg up as they are able to be in the civilian job during their service and/or prior to leaving. I transitioned to a state NG and had acquired way more civilian contacts. During the past/current GWOT, those who get deployed to any combat theatre have been exposed to more contractors than any war or combat action prior. At my last FOB, there was a mix of State Dept, CIA, ODA, and contractors performing similar and simultaneous functions. Long story short, if your background investigation is recent enough and clearance is still current, a civilian transition into a similar or higher level role is very possible and seamless.
I understand what you're saying but I'm assuming that security clearances are not all the same either because apparently certain people still have security clearances after they leave their positions in the government otherwise this conversation wouldn't even be happening?
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Because of the priveleges of rank. If you were an active team member you were at best a CPO, a lieutenant, or a warrant. If you worked at the pentagon and you did anything other than fetch coffee for admirals you were probably at least a commander. Some things never change. You might be a top notch tier one guy but to pentagon people you are a grunt, and, do to class distinction, do not deserve the perk of maintaining clearance post exit. I am also sure that I do not need to tell you that most high ranking officers who are not elite qualified despise elites.
@@F1ght1ngIrish- Or more likely he knew who Andrew was referring to based off the memorable name Baker attached to "podcast CIA guy" and instantly knew who meant and didn't even catch the first name because Mike and James are such common names they're interchangeable. 90% of us would miss it but still know who he meant the same way if we were asked, "Baker the CIA podcast guy" is all the relevant information our brains need to pick up
Or you guys who are defending him are too stupid to realize that this guy isn’t a real spy lol. He talks too much. Says too much. He’s a clout chasing, internet fandom seeking idiot. 😂
@@phoenixmodellingphotography you're making a lot of assumptions whereas "the guy whose job is to lie is lying" is very straightforward plausible answer
@@hanknorris5642 sure. Just about all murderous dictators were known for their conservative and non-offensive hair styles. It’s almost like all murderous dictators went to the same hairdressers.
I've thought this never single time I hear this guy talk. There's zero chance he's just quit the CIA to be a family man... come on 🤣 and he's just allowed to spill the beans as a career. 🤔
Watch him when he talks to another gal from the CIA. The younger folks were pushing political agenda and pushing regime change as well. He is leaving that out. FBI is corrupt and political at the top too. It isn't the agents. We need to pardon the people that blew the whistle on spying on Americans.
I'm all for these kind of interviews. But you lose a massive amount of credibility when you're like "Yeah, I know James Baker he's great". But it's Mike Baker.
they lose credibility for.. misremembering somebodies name? despite lavishing praise on them for their skill/abilities? grow up. its a name. nothing more... you fucking plum.
Allow me to repeat what I said, which was immediately deleted (I wonder why?), these dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
Another way of describing how he spoke of the two levels of workers in the CIA is the Iron Law of Bureaucracy. It is not limited to the CIA, it is in effect in all government organizations. "Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration. Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. Examples are many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc. The Iron Law states that in every case the second group will gain and keep control of the organization. It will write the rules, and control promotions within the organization." The second group are the ones who get to the GS-15 and SES levels of the civil service. NB: I worked in the federal government for 23 years. The rule is truly ironclad.
After working 43+ years in the military and Civilian Department of Defense, I can't argue with your assessment - pretty accurate. The GS 15s and SESs fit into that group very well.
He speaks truth. Worked in government for 20 years. Held a TS. Made it relatively high up. The day i retired i had 3 6 figure job offers. I was in cyber and that area is HUGE now. Would've been rich in 5 years. Couldn't do it. Such a fucked up industry to work in. Much happier now. Talk to friends still doing it and their lives are miserable.
Private intelligence actually makes sense. The President can find a company they trust and for the Presidents term they become their own personal intelligence and then hands over classified information at the end. Then at the end they hand everything over to a vault of some kind.
When I left in 2011, I had to sign my de-indoctrination papers for my security clearance. You don't keep your clearance until it expires, like he says.
I had a TS/SCI clearance, when I retired. If I had a job set up, that required me to maintain my clearance and it had to have a connection to the Federal Government. My clearance would still need to be renewed every 5 years. If I did not have that kind of job set up, my clearance would disappear after either 2 years or if the clearance were due to be renewed, say in 6 months, it would be done and over with. All these so-called intel experts you see on the news, should have had their clearances removed as soon as they retired. The only reason they were hired by the MSM is due to their clearances and access. Something they are legally not allowed to share with people who have no clearance.
Very true, I had a clearance for 36 years, as soon as you leave a position it goes into hibernation. If not reactivated within two years, the investigation will start from scratch instead of just an admin update ( SF86)..
"The only reason they were hired by the MSM is due to their clearances and access. Something they are legally not allowed to share with people who have no clearance." ahhh thats what "on condition of anonymity" means.
@@andrewjones4841he is a rucking book licker who will say or do anything if he perceives it as being beneficial to himself. He is a narcissistic grifter, a quintessential yes man.
He's emblematic of the CIA. Allow me to repeat what I said, which was immediately deleted (I wonder why?), these dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
He's emblematic of the CIA. These dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
I believe it was the other cia recruits and this is the exact behavior the CIA looks for. Willing to do or say anything for career advancement. Someone so see through in their own self interests is a very useful asset for a lot of people. Ie business/government
Excellent discussion. I worked in government for 43 years, and the assessment was pretty good. I was interviewed by an intelligence agency but for a number of reasons, decided to pass it up. If the Intelligence agencies are politicized, you will seldom have reliable, honest, and good intelligence. If the Department of Justice is politicized, you dissolve into injustice, tyranny, and a police state. If the Judiciary is politicized, you can lose rule of law, freedom, justice, and the end of a democratic republic.
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Allow me to repeat what I said, these dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
@@lightbender2769 He's emblematic of the CIA. Allow me to repeat what I said, which was immediately deleted (I wonder why?), these dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
James Addison Baker III was the US Secretary of State under President George H. W. Bush. So of course he would know who James Baker is, and then he just had to roll with the rest.
Been briefed by State (CIA?) well that info was put on the back burner just in case. I just tried to figure out what would I do in the opponent's position. Well the probability is, that like me. They did not graduate from a Ivy League school.
He's emblematic of the CIA. These dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
This guy is an active CIA agent. Even if he isn't on their "payroll". He is sanctioned. I'm shocked he wasn't seen in DC in the early beginning of Jan 2021, along with Ray E??s!
When suggested that he still works for CIA dudes body posture changed, he started blinking rapidly, and his face became obviously distressed. Until he leaned back and refocused his energy by grabbing the conversation into his hands, while making a movement with his hands that insisted he is now going to speak, also giving him a psychological boost he needed while his status was being called into question. He used his hands to put a temporary wall between the two of them, it helped him regain his composure
This guy means well and he does have a fair amount of "insider information" but he is also in many cases talking beyond his experience. He weaves facts, truth, and personal experience with supposition and opinion.
@@orlock20 Lol as if real estate sales was that simple. Most homes aren't commissioned at 6% anymore, 3-4% is more typical, and that gets split between the agent and broker. First year real estate agents make around $40k on average.
@@randyfarnsworth7825 Only due to Trump's LIES and among weak-minded fools who are willing to believe the guy that comes in off the street rather than DECADES of knowledge from those "in the know". Like I'm going to believe a single word that Trump aka CHUMP says.
Oversight and accountability are extreme hindrances when dealing with things that involve a covert or clandestine nature. You have to move quickly and a lot of times do things that blur the lines of morality if you want to accomplish a goal and it’s literally impossible to do that if every two seconds you have to check in with a lawyer or bureaucrat in DC and ask “hey is it ok if I do X”. This is why the private sector is so vastly ahead of the gov when it comes to the creation and adoption of technology. Intelligence gathering is no exception.
I agree but, look at all the treason and federal crimes committed by politicians.... they are not held accountable and their allegiance goes to the highest bid.
Where is government oversight? Private sector has market oversight. Government intel agencies don't even have actual Congressional oversight. It is all dog and pony "hearings" where the intel reps get in and say a lot of nothing - can't recall, won't say, don't have that info, etc.. And there is never any accountability for it. Hell, they can go into a hearing and lie their asses off and not even catch a contempt of congress charge. And just because you are not wise enough to know that selling out that info will cost you more than you got, doesn't mean professionals are.
That gullible people like you re. Now you people can't separate reality from fiction. Anyone can say anything today and you people will believe it. 😂 Now with internet and social media it's now easy find people like you and toy with the Brain
This guy is full of it. Your TS/SCI has to be redone every 5 years. If you get out and you haven’t had your security clearance renewed in say three years, it only has two years left on it. It’s not just there forever.
Yes, I was going to say that there is such a thing as reinvestigation which is completed every 5 years to re-establish your clearance with TS and SCI. You are in fact right and this guy is speaking some truth and is flat out wrong on others.
I'm a long-retired CIA employee, and he describes the situation perfectly. The highest a real worker can go in the agency is GS-15; after that it is all political. And those guys would sell their country out in a heartbeat to go from GS 16-1 to GS-16-2. That's why my wife and I took early retirement as soon as we could, before we went crazy.
Some classified information is public knowledge. For instance, it is said that a guy did projectile data on the bow and arrow and that information was classified during WW2.
You don’t you just keep your security clearance. You require access,clearance and need to know . When you leave your position you lose access and need to know. There are forms you sign when you begin and the forms come back when you leave. Basically stating you won’t discuss the classified info with people. The problem is when higher ups disregard this to appease bosses as upholding these standards may hurt their chances of promotion when they come to visit.
You still have clearance, but yes, you would loose access to information unless you were contracted and involved in a job that requires you to know certain things. Even then, it would be limited in scope to what you need to know. Just because one has TS clearance doesn't mean I have access to all documents that are labeled TS. You can still only see things that you need to see based on your current mission or job.
@@bigtapa9227True, but what really threw my future literary plans into disarray was when I had to sign a 10 year NDA after separating from USAF in ‘92. You see, I’d planned on writing the next great American military novel but one of the stipulations of the NDA was that I had to submit to the DOD any work of fiction or nonfiction involving my former employment so it could be checked for any breaches of the NDA, believe it or not!
I was thinking I’ll take a job making $160k and actually do work that improves people’s lives and be a happy person every pay check. Dudes are clueless about how many people work like slaves and make less and still find themselves having a happy life.
you are talking elite govies working their entire career (20+ years) living in expensive cities (e.g. DC) making the same as commercial senior engineers into their 8-10 year career. Although govies do get a decent pension while commercial side makes 5% 401k match at best
So they can spy on Americans. They're not supposed to but they do. Someone should challenge it in court. Any laws passed that contradict the constitution is null and void. Our constitutional right to privacy basically doesn't even exist anymore.
Not basically…. I don’t want the gov nor private corporations doing CIA stuff… IDK which is worse… I guess it’s worse when the gov does it because they have this fake, usurped “authoritah!” That they have deemed literally unlimited. Constitution be damned…
@@billseventy6825 there was a time when they would use regular army spec ops personnel, usually S.F. on an “as needed” basis for wet work. Some were officially dropped from army roles for the duration of the operation. It was referred to as “white washing.” When the U-2 was first deployed there were Air Force operated U-2’s and CIA operated U-2’s. All of the CIA pilots came out of the Air Force’s pilot pool but were officially discharged from the Air Force and worked directly for the CIA. This was referred to as “bleaching.” Through most of the history of Army S.F., training and leading indigenous personnel into direct insurgent/counter-insurgent operations has been handled by regular Army S.F. personnel. Payroll for the indigenous force is handled by CIA personnel. In addition, historically, for covert combat operations involving indigenous personnel procurement was also handled by CIA staff. I’ve heard them referred to as “bagmen”. It is not a complimentary moniker. Laos in the 1960’s is a good example. The CIA would convince the indigenous people to grow opium, opium would be sold for gold and gold would be used to procure weapons and equipment. The KGB was at times surprisingly uninvolved directly with wet work. They usually used Bulgarians for the dirty stuff. Not to say there were not cold blooded bastards in the KGB. Take a good look at Vladimir Putin’s eyes. Always reminded me of when a shark rolls that nictitating membrane over his eye right before he bites. Bulgarians were used when the Soviets felt they needed to bother with plausible deniability. I would not be surprised if the modern CIA contracts out to privates for the same reason.
That’s a great salary for most of us. I think the point he’s trying to make is, someone with that level of experience while in the government, that’s shit. You take that experience to the private sector/ as a civilian. You make double that.
@@Wmikewtonytoneplease continue to expand your portfolio. Also invest more into gold/silver. I hope you have adequate preps for shtf which is likely coming by election time.
NO, It happened at the Air Force Academy. He along with ALL the students were bound by an oath. He HONORED his oath and made the incredibly difficult decision to report their failure. He gave them the chance to come clean and they refused. He HONORED HIS OATH!
Ex Air Force Academy guy here, you have to give him a pass on that. USAFA has a super serious honor code, we will not lie, cheat or steal, nor tolerate among us anyone who does. If he doesn't turn them in, he's gone just like them. That's how it works. That's the way it has ALWAYS worked. It's not uncommon for the service academies to kick out hundreds of students at a time. You know the deal from day 1.
Welcome to the rogansphere. And they all are conveniently friendly toward Trump, or ""neutral"" lol no strong opinion on him...but more so one against dems lol
@@evantaylor1378what’s wrong with being neutral? and even if they were “right wing”, isn’t the market already flooded with left wing anti-trump rhetoric?
@@JokerG16 well when you're neutral to a dude running for president. Using terms like "kung flu" or trying sell shoes because thats what he thinks blacks are into, or having dinner with nick fuentes, or saying things like "I wouldnt have blacks work for me, they are lazy". As a black guy, Im going to look at you...analyze you, and realize that those things clearly dont bother you. If you are still "neutral". In fact I'll assume you like it. Notice I didnt go into the insurrection stuff, or covid handeling, etc In my mind as soon as "blacks shouldnt work for me" was said, to a good person with no agenda they'd say "yikes, that dude shouldnt be president". And when I see some people cheer for it...I know youbdont give a fuck about me.
@ianmoone6562 nah, just grifting audience capture. And going with the Rogan/Elon wave. And to be 100% real. Its mainly white guy shit. The Trump craze that defies logic is primarily due to the white male vote. 80% or some crazy number. Joe, Andrew and the likes are choosing the white benefit of the culture war win the feel like Trump will give them. Thats why you see Rogan contradicting his bernie sanders ideals, because Rigan knows deep down...Trump is a win for "whites". Thats why you see Elon suddenly raising hate speech on his platform, and speaking about DEI. This shit is so racial its ridiculous, But white dudes will never admit and gaslight. Dont believe me? Schultz even made a monologue about how Trump appeals to white males. Yeah...this is race shit. Explain the 80% voting rate for the most racially divisive president in modern history by white males. Please explain it lol
Somebody asks me what I do I tell them I'm a retired janitor on holiday. Then I watch Jeopardy and spout out the answers in front of everybody else at the bar. Nothing to prove is good.
The next president needs to replace every Senior Executive Service appointment in the country across all agencies. Then also select their subordinates 2 levels deep. It'll be as much fun as removing blackberry bushes but twice as rewarding.
@@u32481 thank you. Metrosexual underwear models. Swear I’ve seen every one of these guys on an Axe commercial. This is what we are down to. Can you imagine any of these guys in the first wave at Normandy? Can you imagine any of them on an Apollo mission, going to the moon using slide rules and cathode tubes? Right! I’m surprised any of them were able to break away from “World of Warcraft” long enough to make the show. Nothing wrong with any of these guys that two seasons of bucking square bales of Alfalfa would not cure.
We got an ex-CIA government guy, he fired all of the Republicans. His thing was to get back at all of the people in the company who were having affairs with co-workers, just like how his Boss was raked over the coals for that. He fired the very financial brain that made the company what it was. He had issues and vendettas, and he was allowed to steamroll right in. It cost thousands of employees and shareholders tons of money in countless ways. The company finally got back its share price, and it took 20 years. Now the evil is being perpetuated in a think-tank. I wouldn’t be surprised if all of this ridiculous tax legislation on home equity and unrealized capital gains is coming out of that abyss, the dark, evil abyss of destruction.
So, you are in favor of allowing the wealthy to evade taxes on unrealized capital gains while using the "unrealized" gains to provide the same benefits as cash?
Miss Dixie, what you are ascribing to me is that I’m in favor of evading taxes by the wealthy. Don’t put those words in my mouth. You can’t evade taxes if no one passes a stupid tax law. Yea, if no one “thinks of” a stupid tax law, you can’t evade it. People that think of these stupid laws are creating crime where there was none before. The fallacy you are swallowing is that it’s only “the wealthy” who have unrealized gains. Try and get your head around who has unrealized gains in this country. If you’re Joe Schmoe the plumber, saving for retirement, you have assets, and unrealized gains, that is your goal. Anyone who has any inkling of what an asset is, you’re against anyone having wealth, you’re not for this country. You need to go live in a communist country, and be happy not owning anything. I’m so glad the Supreme Court got more power. We need protection from these knuckleheads writing these bubble headed laws designed to take down this country.
@annoravetz5188 After reading your response, I have determined that you actually don't support the wealthy paying taxes. I know there are a lot of stupid tax breaks for the wealthy, like not taxing capital gains on stocks, yet those stocks help the owner to maintain a very luxurious lifestyle. Think of it this way, do you think all of Bezo, Musk, Buffet, etc. wealth can be found in banks? If you know that it isn't, how do you think they maintain their lifestyle? Name a tax you think is stupid and should be abolished
He was talking about where you begin and then he mentioned that after 30 years of working in the government 160,000 so yeah he is accurate. There are plenty of people that just go into sales as a junior salesman and 30 years later will be making $250,000 a year in the right place especially if they are somehow involved directly with Wall Street. It can also be much much more.
Clearances expire, but must be paid for to be maintained. Clearances don’t give you access to the material. You need to get “read on” for access to the materials. He wasn’t wrong, just unclear.
Always be wary of any "ex CIA" guy that makes the talk show rounds.
Right. Why aren't foreign agents coming after this guy? It doesn't make any sense. But, we all know that they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.
We sure it’s not Meghan M?
Once a cia agent always a cia agent
We all should be.
Exactly. Dude snitched on his own platoon when he was active duty.
I've never seen a plant who has looked more like a plant 🌴
He put too much water on his Chia Pet
@@andrewferguson8032 "C(h)IA Pet"
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I would say "he doesn't look like a spy" but that's actually the entire point
After Jesse Ventura got elected Governor of Minnesota as an independent, CIA requested to meet with him because their analysts wanted to learn how he overcame the two party duopoly. He said one of the more interesting things about the meeting was "They were not what I expected. They were very ordinary-looking people, like the kind of people you'd see walking their dog, or who you'd wave to if they were your neighbors."
He talks too much for a legit spy. I'd say this is a disinformation or propaganda. BS either way.
He's fake or he's psyco-propaganda.
They want “grey men” who blend into the background.
He had a normal buzz cut when he was in the agency the fact people are judging him off his appearance as a civilian is crazy.
I don’t trust any ex CIA unless he is a whistleblower
check out John Kiriaku
Even the whistleblowers and only releasing information the CIA wants you to have
And even "whistleblowers" might be controlled opposition
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He stopped peoples clearance that had been out of office for years but were still meddling in foreign and domestic matters due to their still active security clearance.
Thats why.
This was for politicians also.
Yup. Weird how they've managed dissenting opinions so effectively.
@qplus-tc5hh it's ok for drumpf to stop everyone else meddling in foreign affairs except for drumpf. Who kept all the govt intelligence files in Mary Largo , for fat orange
i.e. John Brennan.
@@mickhoover8050 and Hillary Clinton
@@mickhoover8050 and H.C.
This dude is literally a spokesperson for the agency.
It wasn’t enough to just be a former agency guy. He’s adopted the entire “im a cool long haired hippy, you can trust me, i’m just like you”. Not fooling anyone.
Hello, fellow kids.
Dude is literally a grocery bagger that read some spy novels. If you think this dude was actually a CIA agent, you probably eat crayons.
There is no such thing as ex CIA.
Ha! Long beautiful head full of curly hair
And lastly his is on just about all the podcast. That promoting something or some one. 👎
This is a CIA PR mission
What?!? You mean the guy that only brings up things that have already been made public by the CIA and then turns around to praise and make clear they "don't do that anymore and are all working to make America safe."
Just like EVERYTHING EVERYONE who works(ed) for them ever says.
And you think working for the CIA is like working for a drug dealer or what?
Working for any federal agency is good my guy
@intelcom4964 Your name is intel and your saying a comparison between drug dealers and the CIA as ridiculous? Is this satire? If not Google "CIA sells drugs."
We are all on a PR mission
This is terrifying information. No rules. No safeguards.
If you think there are safeguards in the CIA you wrong
found the one good comment
The CIA spiraled out of control in the 20 years after WW2, when "National Security" was sufficient justification for the military-industrial complex to run wild. They became untouchable when they engineered the killing of JFK, which they did because he was set on reining them in after they went under his nose for the Bay of Pigs incident. I doubt the really out of control part is even under the CIA umbrella now, congress knows about the CIA and can try to regulate them.
Once CIA ... always CIA
And we would all be if we were good enough
@@M1TGWolfyou reek of pig. Tick tock tyrants, flood is coming and there is nothing you can do to stop it 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah this is what they want us to think for sure
@@carefulicarus7393 what do you think the CIA looks like?
"Once ONI always ONI"
This guy is a CIA spokesman.
why is he sh**ing on the CIA then?
100% correct! He isn’t a “former” spy at all. He is 100% an agent and it’s funny most people don’t see it. He has been on 4238 podcast in 538 days 😂 anyone who thinks he isn’t spewing a controlled message is an idiot. He says spies don’t kill people 😂 every other spy interview they say “oh yeah we kill people”
@@SMacCuUladhyou haven’t seen many of his videos have you? He didn’t say anything bad about the CIA. Only exactly what he is told to say by the CIA 😂
This. To the T. Im not super interested in hearing him talk anymore after hearing him talk at length 3-4 different times
He inadvertently reps the cia/war machines interests and he’s slick about it
At this point it’s obvious, the man has done so many podcast in the last year or so. The CIA isn’t about to let “former” employees go around spilling the beans
Props to Andrew for calling this dude out I loved it he and Mike Baker clearly work for cia still and it's all their assignment to do these interviews.
All these agencies need to go
So Trump's private army, that he has absolved from criminal prosecutions..
Just like Putin has.
Because if no intelligence is gathered on what happens behind the door, then that will happen
Keeping a Security Clearance after employment makes no sense. The first question asked is, "does this person have a need to know?" Having a clearance with that fact makes no sense.
It’s for the private/public partnership so private companies can work on (highly) classified programs for manufacturing or services ( Mussolini’s definition of Fascism).
Those are independent things. You can hold clearance for 5 years, it happens all the time. Does not mean you will get access to information, unless you are compartmentalized for it, need to know.
When I left the position in the federal government that gave me my top secret security clearance, I did not take it with me. I don't know if this guy's talking about
@@Doorkicker505 If your clearance was up to date, the company (that needs clearances) has an advantage as it costs them much less to transition it rather than starting from scratch.
Simply holding a clearance isn’t a ticket to whatever you want. There is still the need to know that is relevant. Once you have a clearance of whatever level there is no reason for it to be terminated unless for cause. Just put a pause on it so you don’t have to immediately fall into another job having a sponsoring owner to maintain.
I don’t know. As a former Air Force B-52 officer, I had a TS-SCI security clearance. My understanding was that it was in force for five years and then had to be done again, which would make you good for another five years. And I only had access to TS info I was cleared to know, meaning only info I needed for my specific job. That’s what’s meant by “compartmented.” I couldn’t read up on UFOs or the JFK hit. I didn’t have clearance to know about that shit. And, once I got out of the Air Force, I no longer had access to any Top Secret or even classified information. None! The only thing that made having that clearance important in the civilian world was that your employer knew that the feds had done a fairly thorough background investigation on you and hadn’t found anything “bad.”
That is how all clearance works.
I also had a TS from DHS. Your TS lasts 5 years. You have to go thru another full background check to keep your clearance going. It doesn't automatically renew itself. I don't think this guy knows what he's talking about. It's subtle mistakes like this that makes me believe that this guy might be full of crap
@@Doorkicker505 I agree! And that missing lower tooth doesn’t help his case!
You're correct, unless you join a psuedo government agency/contractor immediately after you leave service. Many reserve personnel have the leg up as they are able to be in the civilian job during their service and/or prior to leaving. I transitioned to a state NG and had acquired way more civilian contacts. During the past/current GWOT, those who get deployed to any combat theatre have been exposed to more contractors than any war or combat action prior. At my last FOB, there was a mix of State Dept, CIA, ODA, and contractors performing similar and simultaneous functions. Long story short, if your background investigation is recent enough and clearance is still current, a civilian transition into a similar or higher level role is very possible and seamless.
I understand what you're saying but I'm assuming that security clearances are not all the same either because apparently certain people still have security clearances after they leave their positions in the government otherwise this conversation wouldn't even be happening?
This guy sure does talk a lot for a spy.
Con artists talk a lot too😊
America Government is Evil as Hell the country is Ran by Europe and China they all .money demons Sacrificing folks for the Devil. This been going on for 6000 years Humanity have to stop Living Evil following these DEVILS..the Government Selling The Drugs and Started all WARs to Bind Humanity in HELL
There are office Johny's and then there are active field operatives, huge difference!
Almost everything is public btw better check it before doing anything else
just like the seals. CAG guys tend to stay a bit more silent.
This just proves that a Business Man is the best person to lead this Country.
As a former Navy Special Warfare Operator, our clearances are revoked the day of discharge. Why is the Pentagon different?
Because of the priveleges of rank. If you were an active team member you were at best a CPO, a lieutenant, or a warrant. If you worked at the pentagon and you did anything other than fetch coffee for admirals you were probably at least a commander. Some things never change.
You might be a top notch tier one guy but to pentagon people you are a grunt, and, do to class distinction, do not deserve the perk of maintaining clearance post exit.
I am also sure that I do not need to tell you that most high ranking officers who are not elite qualified despise elites.
Sure you were!!!!
@@Harlem139Convent1why is it so hard to believe?
Marty not entirely true.
To give lobbyists opportunities. The CIA and FBI have proven themselves to be politized
"Right, right."
Sure, I know him. Ol' James Baker. He's not even talking about the right guy, Mr. Intelligence! 😂
There was literally a James baker in bush’s administration that’s probably who he thought Andrew was talking about
@@F1ght1ngIrish- Or more likely he knew who Andrew was referring to based off the memorable name Baker attached to "podcast CIA guy" and instantly knew who meant and didn't even catch the first name because Mike and James are such common names they're interchangeable. 90% of us would miss it but still know who he meant the same way if we were asked, "Baker the CIA podcast guy" is all the relevant information our brains need to pick up
Or you guys who are defending him are too stupid to realize that this guy isn’t a real spy lol. He talks too much. Says too much. He’s a clout chasing, internet fandom seeking idiot. 😂
@@phoenixmodellingphotography you're making a lot of assumptions whereas "the guy whose job is to lie is lying" is very straightforward plausible answer
Right right, let me just impress you…. He’s pure BS.
You know Shultz is surrounded by yes men when he still has that haircut
Are we still shaming people for having different haircuts?
@@bojanglesobrien6883yes! Yes we are! That haircut null and voids this man’s credibility!
Yeah... it looks familiar. I saw pics of it on a German leader in 1938. What was that guys name?
@@hanknorris5642 sure. Just about all murderous dictators were known for their conservative and non-offensive hair styles. It’s almost like all murderous dictators went to the same hairdressers.
It's called Slingblade Style.
Guy said the corruption out load.
And also that Trump had a secret police, just like Stasi did the DDR's dirty work
When ever you listen to a "former CIA agent" remember you NEVER EVER LEAVE the CIA!!!
We hear this all the time, so you heard this from who? how do you know that's true? Because everybody else says it's true? tsk tsk...
Why?
I've thought this never single time I hear this guy talk. There's zero chance he's just quit the CIA to be a family man... come on 🤣 and he's just allowed to spill the beans as a career. 🤔
@@taylornorth3523 Aderson Cooper of CNN also left the CIA to be a "family man"
Watch him when he talks to another gal from the CIA. The younger folks were pushing political agenda and pushing regime change as well. He is leaving that out. FBI is corrupt and political at the top too. It isn't the agents. We need to pardon the people that blew the whistle on spying on Americans.
"only 160k" tells you all you need to know about washington
How much should they make ?
That’s why they live in million dollar homes in McLean, Va
@@matdamon471250k max in job description but make 100millions 😂😂a year you tell me
There are no cheap places to move there and id hope we'd pay Intel people enough not to be immediately bribed.
@@user-zb7tg5hi3t A shack costs a million in McLean.
I'm all for these kind of interviews. But you lose a massive amount of credibility when you're like "Yeah, I know James Baker he's great". But it's Mike Baker.
Like these fools ever had any credibility 😂
they lose credibility for.. misremembering somebodies name? despite lavishing praise on them for their skill/abilities? grow up. its a name. nothing more... you fucking plum.
They corrected it in caption
You also lose credibility when you say 160k a year is a bad salary…
Feeling over facts lol, they are comedians
This guy is full of it. He could have never survived behind the iron curtain for a second.
Allow me to repeat what I said, which was immediately deleted (I wonder why?), these dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
Another way of describing how he spoke of the two levels of workers in the CIA is the Iron Law of Bureaucracy. It is not limited to the CIA, it is in effect in all government organizations.
"Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people:
First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration.
Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. Examples are many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc.
The Iron Law states that in every case the second group will gain and keep control of the organization. It will write the rules, and control promotions within the organization."
The second group are the ones who get to the GS-15 and SES levels of the civil service. NB: I worked in the federal government for 23 years. The rule is truly ironclad.
Damn, I haven't seen someone reference that in a random YT thread until now. Well done!
No lies detected.
IYKYK
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After working 43+ years in the military and Civilian Department of Defense, I can't argue with your assessment - pretty accurate. The GS 15s and SESs fit into that group very well.
@@user-DrJoe-Future You left out the govvies who are... over their head.
He speaks truth. Worked in government for 20 years. Held a TS. Made it relatively high up. The day i retired i had 3 6 figure job offers. I was in cyber and that area is HUGE now. Would've been rich in 5 years. Couldn't do it. Such a fucked up industry to work in. Much happier now. Talk to friends still doing it and their lives are miserable.
Private intelligence actually makes sense. The President can find a company they trust and for the Presidents term they become their own personal intelligence and then hands over classified information at the end. Then at the end they hand everything over to a vault of some kind.
You're a good man.
It pays to surveil the peasants for any sign of pushback.
Anyone can pull a six figure job after a 20 year career in the military. Your experience for getting a job after service is not unique.
Shhhh 🤫
Should lose clearance as soon as you leave the govt.
That seems like common sense.
100
You do. Ask a real agent who didnt crack to their schizophrenia.
i guess this is not how it works...
u got the intel & they don't trust u, can't be controlled
When you cease service, your clearance ceases to be in an “active” mode. Nothing changes but the status, active/inactive.
When I left in 2011, I had to sign my de-indoctrination papers for my security clearance. You don't keep your clearance until it expires, like he says.
Ex CIA should never talk.
I had a TS/SCI clearance, when I retired. If I had a job set up, that required me to maintain my clearance and it had to have a connection to the Federal Government. My clearance would still need to be renewed every 5 years. If I did not have that kind of job set up, my clearance would disappear after either 2 years or if the clearance were due to be renewed, say in 6 months, it would be done and over with. All these so-called intel experts you see on the news, should have had their clearances removed as soon as they retired. The only reason they were hired by the MSM is due to their clearances and access. Something they are legally not allowed to share with people who have no clearance.
Very true, I had a clearance for 36 years, as soon as you leave a position it goes into hibernation. If not reactivated within two years, the investigation will start from scratch instead of just an admin update ( SF86)..
So why is this guy giving Trump credit for what's common practice according to you ?
Bs
"The only reason they were hired by the MSM is due to their clearances and access. Something they are legally not allowed to share with people who have no clearance."
ahhh thats what "on condition of anonymity" means.
@@Avatar7x7It is common practice but I think Trump may have expedited that process for specific people. Like Brennan.
This dude is wearing a costume and is still actively in the CIA
thank you. i thought i was the only person
Facts
Media 5th Branch of the government
Once in the agency,always in the agency. Isn’t that the case for all spies?
@@Qazymodo then you need to expand and explore your horizons, fellow doubter of government agencies
CIA
Crime International Association 😂😂😂😂😂
Criminals International Association
Chinese International Association.
*C*_riminals_
*I*_n_
*A*_ction_
Clowns In America
Child interment agency
This dude is now on the show Beyond Skin Walker Ranch.
Barber: what can I do for you, sir?
Andrew: Give me the 1940’s bad boy
He’s enjoying his Goebbels era
Went all Peaky Blinder
Hitler youth
I’m getting 1980s rock hair band
Still better than Hitler
dude straight up agreed that he knew someone and it wasn't the right name.
He probably knew who he meant and was being polite.
@@andrewjones4841he is a rucking book licker who will say or do anything if he perceives it as being beneficial to himself. He is a narcissistic grifter, a quintessential yes man.
Wasn’t he the guy that ratted out all his roommates for drinking in Air Force? 😂😂😂
And y'all let him slide up into a even further position.. y'all fr pathetic
Yup.
He's emblematic of the CIA. Allow me to repeat what I said, which was immediately deleted (I wonder why?), these dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
He's emblematic of the CIA. These dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
I believe it was the other cia recruits and this is the exact behavior the CIA looks for. Willing to do or say anything for career advancement. Someone so see through in their own self interests is a very useful asset for a lot of people. Ie business/government
Excellent discussion. I worked in government for 43 years, and the assessment was pretty good. I was interviewed by an intelligence agency but for a number of reasons, decided to pass it up. If the Intelligence agencies are politicized, you will seldom have reliable, honest, and good intelligence. If the Department of Justice is politicized, you dissolve into injustice, tyranny, and a police state. If the Judiciary is politicized, you can lose rule of law, freedom, justice, and the end of a democratic republic.
Like what just happened to Trump at this rigged trial
@@Kozmo260 Yes, you are correct.
Well said Mr Joe
I say that's exactly what we have now!
We are boiling now, we've had this openly since Bush Seniors New World order. But some would say since Nixon.
Disban the Feds 💯
Free for all
Its still hust the wild wild west
So dense LOL "Let the countries who hate us run a train on me daddy T"
So defund the police…?
@@yuriydee no disban the FEDS
@Lockdown335 if we disban the Feds each state can be fully in control of their own protection against foreign adversaries...
His secret agent CIA name was Jerry Curl.
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You wrong for that 😂
Don’t be jealous bald head.😮😊
Those opening words about working in government, against working in the private sector - absolutely spot on.👍👍👍
Dude already ate his cyanide tooth, and survived.
Dang, is that really a thing?
That's some funny shit. Lmao
😂😂😂 my gawd I spit everywhere
😂😂😂
Lol
If this dude does not get your Spidey sense tingling I don't know what's wrong with you.
He does. Because he’s full of shit 😂
There's probably something wrong with you if you believe he was actually a legit "CIA"... How does he keep talking iff he is
then you are not intelligence material..it's all a test
Allow me to repeat what I said, these dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
@@lightbender2769 He's emblematic of the CIA. Allow me to repeat what I said, which was immediately deleted (I wonder why?), these dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
Schultz: Do you know James Baker?
"Spy": Yes
Meanwhile, his name is Mike Baker, so why didn't the spy correct him if he actually knows him?
He said james.... explain moke...full name and agency position
James Addison Baker III was the US Secretary of State under President George H. W. Bush. So of course he would know who James Baker is, and then he just had to roll with the rest.
Because spies dont just name names for no reason lol. it was stupid for Schulz to randomly name drop him.
Since the cia wont confirm or deny who was or is in the cia, anyone can claim to be cia.
The man that’s speaking about the CIA, wasn’t he on NCIS episode Enemy Combatant?
He’s in the CIA payroll. Perfect industry plant for them. What a shill! 😂
Nailed it!
If he retired...He retired. I dunno
@@Beachhead13No such thing as retired. CIA is like a secret society. You sacrifice your soul for it.
I hoped they had better dental insurance 😏
i bet you think 911 was an inside job too
Not many Jr. salespeople make $250K, probably less than 1%
Maybe it's a little different if they're selling weapons, bombs and tanks.
😂@@BenWeeks-ca
It's internet people don't need too know the truth
Andrew explaining things to a CIA Spy is just funny to me
Dude thinks he’s smarter than he is fr
@@oftengone McCoy, "The Politics of Heroin"
No he is verbally confirming his thoughts to make sure he is following correctly. He is working through the process and taking the audience with him.
@@flyingwombatazazz6736very astute observation
Been briefed by State (CIA?) well that info was put on the back burner just in case.
I just tried to figure out what would I do in the opponent's position.
Well the probability is, that like me. They did not graduate from a Ivy League school.
Homeboy is taking Ras Al Gul’s theatrical rule to the next level
Oh, look it is the (not) former spy again on alternative media tour!
Dude is everywhere in the last year and a half
Keep staying stupid watching MSNBC and CNN then. SMH.
😂😂😂😂
“Changed CIA”, and this dude still works for the agency.
He's emblematic of the CIA. These dudes are highly practiced liars. Take everything they say with a huge grain of salt, then think about what the underlying agenda might be. It'll surprise you when you find the solution.
"Former CIA" isn't a part of my vocabulary 🧐
Former CIA, sounds like an oxymoron 🤣. Once you are part of the family, you can never leave! LOL
This guy is an active CIA agent. Even if he isn't on their "payroll". He is sanctioned. I'm shocked he wasn't seen in DC in the early beginning of Jan 2021, along with Ray E??s!
like female comedian@@khazoury
@@danielrichardson6054
@@khazouryIt’s like the Mob was a long time ago, Blood in Blood Out
People in Government should be there to SERVE.
Some spies read news, others come to podcast 😂
😂😂😂😂😂 Hahaha
Corporate America has it own good ole boy network.
In my 20 years in corporate America confirmed this fact to me.
Every country does...
@@johnqdoe8841 ain’t that the truth. Spent 32 years in it. Saw some good people, saw a lot of shit float to the top.
When suggested that he still works for CIA dudes body posture changed, he started blinking rapidly, and his face became obviously distressed. Until he leaned back and refocused his energy by grabbing the conversation into his hands, while making a movement with his hands that insisted he is now going to speak, also giving him a psychological boost he needed while his status was being called into question. He used his hands to put a temporary wall between the two of them, it helped him regain his composure
Dang nice catch !!!
I agree
Nah… he has heard that many times before.
All your psuedo reading of him, lol. I got news, he is no longer CIA, so you fail body language 101
Man has psyching abilities apparently. Stick to flipping burgers or whatever it is you are doing.
3:58 No government employee deserves a 6 figure salary.
Nothing justifies getting rich off the backs of the taxpayers
The whole system has been corrupted
Yes. In about 1794.
lol this guy is a total schill for the agency. We should reboot the agency. Too many bad apples in leadership.
Get rid of it
They killed a president over that
schill?
taking one look at this idiot and his T-shirt tells me everything I need to know about the current state of our "intelligence" capabilities
@@medic5133 as if you have the FIRST clue about our intelligence capabilities
This guy means well and he does have a fair amount of "insider information" but he is also in many cases talking beyond his experience. He weaves facts, truth, and personal experience with supposition and opinion.
How do you know?
He doesnt...he would like to imply it though.
This is the same “spy” that said he carries an emergency contact card in his wallet with his families names and phone numbers. 😂
that's what they teach at the farm in Virginia 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
These influencers cracked me up where is this $250,000 entry level starting sales job at?
Real estate. 6% of 400,000 is $24,000. Do that 11 times per year and that's $264,000.
@@orlock20that just got nuked by the courts. can't charge these high percentages anymore
@@ronblack7870 They can, they just can't have an industry standard.
@@ronblack7870💯
@@orlock20 Lol as if real estate sales was that simple. Most homes aren't commissioned at 6% anymore, 3-4% is more typical, and that gets split between the agent and broker. First year real estate agents make around $40k on average.
Lots of inaccuracies in what's being said. Nuff said.
One thing for certain. Much of America has lost respect for CIA and FBI..
@@randyfarnsworth7825 Only due to Trump's LIES and among weak-minded fools who are willing to believe the guy that comes in off the street rather than DECADES of knowledge from those "in the know". Like I'm going to believe a single word that Trump aka CHUMP says.
You do understand that video wasn't made for people with a brain. 😂
That why I love the internet easy to find and convince the gullible
Politicians swap back & forth between corporations and government
This as terrifying on all the levels. Acting on behalf of a government without the checks and balances of any government.
“Heroes,” he sees his former agency and himself as that.
He lost credibility with that, right at the beginning ...
sadistic sculptors are what I call them.
Right up there with the dancing covid nurses. The term "Hero" has lost its meaning sadly. Think exiting a Higgins boat on D-Day vs a dancing nurse.
where does private intelligence get oversight and accountability? no more classified information...everything goes to the highest bidder
Well if you do that you lose future clients.
Oversight and accountability are extreme hindrances when dealing with things that involve a covert or clandestine nature. You have to move quickly and a lot of times do things that blur the lines of morality if you want to accomplish a goal and it’s literally impossible to do that if every two seconds you have to check in with a lawyer or bureaucrat in DC and ask “hey is it ok if I do X”. This is why the private sector is so vastly ahead of the gov when it comes to the creation and adoption of technology. Intelligence gathering is no exception.
I agree but, look at all the treason and federal crimes committed by politicians.... they are not held accountable and their allegiance goes to the highest bid.
Where is government oversight? Private sector has market oversight. Government intel agencies don't even have actual Congressional oversight. It is all dog and pony "hearings" where the intel reps get in and say a lot of nothing - can't recall, won't say, don't have that info, etc.. And there is never any accountability for it. Hell, they can go into a hearing and lie their asses off and not even catch a contempt of congress charge.
And just because you are not wise enough to know that selling out that info will cost you more than you got, doesn't mean professionals are.
“So he’s scratching their backs” Right. Just like EVERY President did before him. Hello.
I smell a PsyOp.... I smell a PsyOp.....
"CHINA ARE YOU LISTENING" RUSSIA ARE YOU LISTENING" INVESTIGATE BIDENS
That gullible people like you re. Now you people can't separate reality from fiction. Anyone can say anything today and you people will believe it. 😂 Now with internet and social media it's now easy find people like you and toy with the Brain
Theres not a snowballs chance in hell this guy is legit hahahahahahahahahaha
if he's on Shawn Ryan's show.. he's legit 100000%
Why do you day that?
So that means you've worked in the intelligence industry 🤔 I gotta feeling your snowball is melted
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This guy is full of it. Your TS/SCI has to be redone every 5 years. If you get out and you haven’t had your security clearance renewed in say three years, it only has two years left on it. It’s not just there forever.
Yeah, not anymore. Google 'continuous evaluation'.
It's cheaper for private companies to renew your clearance than to start from scratch. They only go over current background information
Maybe for the rank and file and officially but its common knowledge that some people are getting info that they should not have.
Yes, I was going to say that there is such a thing as reinvestigation which is completed every 5 years to re-establish your clearance with TS and SCI. You are in fact right and this guy is speaking some truth and is flat out wrong on others.
He said the higher ups not the lowbies
I'm a long-retired CIA employee, and he describes the situation perfectly. The highest a real worker can go in the agency is GS-15; after that it is all political. And those guys would sell their country out in a heartbeat to go from GS 16-1 to GS-16-2. That's why my wife and I took early retirement as soon as we could, before we went crazy.
Honestly how would it make sense for anyone who leaves government to still have access to classified info? It just doesn’t make sense.
Some classified information is public knowledge. For instance, it is said that a guy did projectile data on the bow and arrow and that information was classified during WW2.
You don’t you just keep your security clearance. You require access,clearance and need to know . When you leave your position you lose access and need to know. There are forms you sign when you begin and the forms come back when you leave. Basically stating you won’t discuss the classified info with people. The problem is when higher ups disregard this to appease bosses as upholding these standards may hurt their chances of promotion when they come to visit.
You still have clearance, but yes, you would loose access to information unless you were contracted and involved in a job that requires you to know certain things. Even then, it would be limited in scope to what you need to know. Just because one has TS clearance doesn't mean I have access to all documents that are labeled TS. You can still only see things that you need to see based on your current mission or job.
@@bigtapa9227True, but what really threw my future literary plans into disarray was when I had to sign a 10 year NDA after separating from USAF in ‘92. You see, I’d planned on writing the next great American military novel but one of the stipulations of the NDA was that I had to submit to the DOD any work of fiction or nonfiction involving my former employment so it could be checked for any breaches of the NDA, believe it or not!
So they can make sure Project Mockingbird can happen. If you cant leak secrets to the corporate news industry, then you cannot create fake narratives.
So 160,000 isn't enough? Maybe we need more patriots in there.
I was thinking I’ll take a job making $160k and actually do work that improves people’s lives and be a happy person every pay check. Dudes are clueless about how many people work like slaves and make less and still find themselves having a happy life.
you are talking elite govies working their entire career (20+ years) living in expensive cities (e.g. DC) making the same as commercial senior engineers into their 8-10 year career. Although govies do get a decent pension while commercial side makes 5% 401k match at best
DC is actually one of the most expensive places to live. but it's not like thats all they do for money, they're almost all millionaires for a reason
Remind me again about how we keep renewing patriot act?
So they can spy on Americans. They're not supposed to but they do. Someone should challenge it in court. Any laws passed that contradict the constitution is null and void. Our constitutional right to privacy basically doesn't even exist anymore.
IT'S FOR YOUR SAFETY. WE SPY ON YOU BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU.
The freaking Bushes and Clinton's and Obama are horrible. Bidens evil 😈
dismantling agencies is a bad idea, the problem with privatized services is working for the highest bidder, no loyalty, principles, etc....
Dude is basically talking about hiring mercenaries
Not basically…. I don’t want the gov nor private corporations doing CIA stuff… IDK which is worse… I guess it’s worse when the gov does it because they have this fake, usurped “authoritah!” That they have deemed literally unlimited. Constitution be damned…
Exactly. See my comment above
Ermmmm aint that what the CIA has done for a long long time ..................... LOL
@@billseventy6825 there was a time when they would use regular army spec ops personnel, usually S.F. on an “as needed” basis for wet work. Some were officially dropped from army roles for the duration of the operation. It was referred to as “white washing.”
When the U-2 was first deployed there were Air Force operated U-2’s and CIA operated U-2’s. All of the CIA pilots came out of the Air Force’s pilot pool but were officially discharged from the Air Force and worked directly for the CIA. This was referred to as “bleaching.”
Through most of the history of Army S.F., training and leading indigenous personnel into direct insurgent/counter-insurgent operations has been handled by regular Army S.F. personnel. Payroll for the indigenous force is handled by CIA personnel. In addition, historically, for covert combat operations involving indigenous personnel procurement was also handled by CIA staff. I’ve heard them referred to as “bagmen”. It is not a complimentary moniker. Laos in the 1960’s is a good example. The CIA would convince the indigenous people to grow opium, opium would be sold for gold and gold would be used to procure weapons and equipment.
The KGB was at times surprisingly uninvolved directly with wet work. They usually used Bulgarians for the dirty stuff.
Not to say there were not cold blooded bastards in the KGB. Take a good look at Vladimir Putin’s eyes. Always reminded me of when a shark rolls that nictitating membrane over his eye right before he bites. Bulgarians were used when the Soviets felt they needed to bother with plausible deniability. I would not be surprised if the modern CIA contracts out to privates for the same reason.
What do you think privateers were they they owned entire vessels with multiple cannons and if you were wealthy enough entire fleets
You know James Baker? Yes!
I giggled
Hahaha
Andrew Shulz rockin the 1940s haircut looks like he could have been an extra on Masters of The Air
Guy I met that worked for the Company didn't talk much, but you could see the burning fire in his eyes with what little he did mention.
once CIA always CIA
Say the gullible 😂.
Yeah nobody wants to make 160k a year. Thats nothing. 😂😂😂
Right? I guess only stupid poors make $160k
that's how corrupt that town is
That’s a great salary for most of us. I think the point he’s trying to make is, someone with that level of experience while in the government, that’s shit. You take that experience to the private sector/ as a civilian. You make double that.
My wife makes 240k a year and if we had to live off of her money we wouldn’t have shit
@@Wmikewtonytoneplease continue to expand your portfolio. Also invest more into gold/silver. I hope you have adequate preps for shtf which is likely coming by election time.
Do you know James Baker? Yes... real name is Mike lol
Mike Baker is the laughingstock on Joe Rogan
As someone that knows this community I can say he is right from my perspective.
This is the same dude who snitched on his Battle buddies for drinking
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NO, It happened at the Air Force Academy. He along with ALL the students were bound by an oath. He HONORED his oath and made the incredibly difficult decision to report their failure. He gave them the chance to come clean and they refused. He HONORED HIS OATH!
Wait what are you talking about??
They shouldn’t of been drinking.
Ex Air Force Academy guy here, you have to give him a pass on that. USAFA has a super serious honor code, we will not lie, cheat or steal, nor tolerate among us anyone who does. If he doesn't turn them in, he's gone just like them. That's how it works. That's the way it has ALWAYS worked. It's not uncommon for the service academies to kick out hundreds of students at a time. You know the deal from day 1.
Is there a podcast this dude hasn't been on???
He's doing what he's told
Since mainstream media dying . They need to spread "information" through podcast
Spy on a comedy podcast…lol
This is where are…
Welcome to the rogansphere. And they all are conveniently friendly toward Trump, or ""neutral"" lol no strong opinion on him...but more so one against dems lol
@@evantaylor1378what’s wrong with being neutral? and even if they were “right wing”, isn’t the market already flooded with left wing anti-trump rhetoric?
@@JokerG16 well when you're neutral to a dude running for president. Using terms like "kung flu" or trying sell shoes because thats what he thinks blacks are into, or having dinner with nick fuentes, or saying things like "I wouldnt have blacks work for me, they are lazy".
As a black guy, Im going to look at you...analyze you, and realize that those things clearly dont bother you. If you are still "neutral". In fact I'll assume you like it.
Notice I didnt go into the insurrection stuff, or covid handeling, etc
In my mind as soon as "blacks shouldnt work for me" was said, to a good person with no agenda they'd say "yikes, that dude shouldnt be president". And when I see some people cheer for it...I know youbdont give a fuck about me.
@@evantaylor1378 what's next? Trump has them all on the payroll?
@ianmoone6562 nah, just grifting audience capture. And going with the Rogan/Elon wave. And to be 100% real. Its mainly white guy shit. The Trump craze that defies logic is primarily due to the white male vote. 80% or some crazy number.
Joe, Andrew and the likes are choosing the white benefit of the culture war win the feel like Trump will give them. Thats why you see Rogan contradicting his bernie sanders ideals, because Rigan knows deep down...Trump is a win for "whites". Thats why you see Elon suddenly raising hate speech on his platform, and speaking about DEI. This shit is so racial its ridiculous, But white dudes will never admit and gaslight.
Dont believe me? Schultz even made a monologue about how Trump appeals to white males. Yeah...this is race shit.
Explain the 80% voting rate for the most racially divisive president in modern history by white males. Please explain it lol
Somebody asks me what I do I tell them I'm a retired janitor on holiday. Then I watch Jeopardy and spout out the answers in front of everybody else at the bar. Nothing to prove is good.
You guys kept him on his toes, he almost flinched. But kept composure
The next president needs to replace every Senior Executive Service appointment in the country across all agencies. Then also select their subordinates 2 levels deep. It'll be as much fun as removing blackberry bushes but twice as rewarding.
Good lord how many more people can we get on this podcast to talk over each other. I can’t even listen for more than 2 mins without turning it off
What are you on about pray tell?
@@u32481 thank you. Metrosexual underwear models. Swear I’ve seen every one of these guys on an Axe commercial. This is what we are down to.
Can you imagine any of these guys in the first wave at Normandy?
Can you imagine any of them on an Apollo mission, going to the moon using slide rules and cathode tubes? Right!
I’m surprised any of them were able to break away from “World of Warcraft” long enough to make the show.
Nothing wrong with any of these guys that two seasons of bucking square bales of Alfalfa would not cure.
His shirt is still informing us that he hadn’t left the agency
We got an ex-CIA government guy, he fired all of the Republicans. His thing was to get back at all of the people in the company who were having affairs with co-workers, just like how his Boss was raked over the coals for that. He fired the very financial brain that made the company what it was. He had issues and vendettas, and he was allowed to steamroll right in. It cost thousands of employees and shareholders tons of money in countless ways. The company finally got back its share price, and it took 20 years. Now the evil is being perpetuated in a think-tank. I wouldn’t be surprised if all of this ridiculous tax legislation on home equity and unrealized capital gains is coming out of that abyss, the dark, evil abyss of destruction.
So, you are in favor of allowing the wealthy to evade taxes on unrealized capital gains while using the "unrealized" gains to provide the same benefits as cash?
Miss Dixie, what you are ascribing to me is that I’m in favor of evading taxes by the wealthy. Don’t put those words in my mouth. You can’t evade taxes if no one passes a stupid tax law. Yea, if no one “thinks of” a stupid tax law, you can’t evade it. People that think of these stupid laws are creating crime where there was none before. The fallacy you are swallowing is that it’s only “the wealthy” who have unrealized gains. Try and get your head around who has unrealized gains in this country. If you’re Joe Schmoe the plumber, saving for retirement, you have assets, and unrealized gains, that is your goal. Anyone who has any inkling of what an asset is, you’re against anyone having wealth, you’re not for this country. You need to go live in a communist country, and be happy not owning anything. I’m so glad the Supreme Court got more power. We need protection from these knuckleheads writing these bubble headed laws designed to take down this country.
@annoravetz5188 After reading your response, I have determined that you actually don't support the wealthy paying taxes. I know there are a lot of stupid tax breaks for the wealthy, like not taxing capital gains on stocks, yet those stocks help the owner to maintain a very luxurious lifestyle. Think of it this way, do you think all of Bezo, Musk, Buffet, etc. wealth can be found in banks? If you know that it isn't, how do you think they maintain their lifestyle? Name a tax you think is stupid and should be abolished
Please explain what company this was.
@@TesterBoyme too??
" good ole boys network " ---------- aka The Swamp
What junior sales person is making 250 K a year?
He was talking about where you begin and then he mentioned that after 30 years of working in the government 160,000 so yeah he is accurate. There are plenty of people that just go into sales as a junior salesman and 30 years later will be making $250,000 a year in the right place especially if they are somehow involved directly with Wall Street. It can also be much much more.
@@kaleidoset2569 too bad most of the comment section didn't pay the same level of attention as you did.
@@fabiozeppilli1329 no shit! I spent 32 years in the wrong field.
Never did I think I would be hearing the questions asked that I have always wanted asked come out of a comedian 😂
Buddy took his cyanide tooth out for the interview😂
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Bro!😂 I just asked wtf happened ... this makes sense
😂😂😂 I didn’t get it til about 2:15-2:30 and immediately died laughing. I believe it!! Lmao
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Nobody who is or was a spy, says they are or were a spy.
Fact!!!!!!!!
Damn skippy. Poser. Analyst at best. Certainly not some kind of 007 field agent spending his days doing wet work
Truth 👍
Yes, they usually just say that they work/worked for the government.
Andrew, pls don’t let your barber butcher you head 😂
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The haircut his terrible but he loves it for some reason…. Not as bad as this “spy” missing tooth
Thank you for creating these discussions
He's worng on security clearances. Makes me wonder what else he is wrong about.
How does it work? Not asked as a gotcha question, but as a legitimate question as I do not know.
Clearances expire, but must be paid for to be maintained. Clearances don’t give you access to the material. You need to get “read on” for access to the materials. He wasn’t wrong, just unclear.
This dude is so full of shit. I can’t even take him serious anymore, he just makes up shit as he goes at this point.
"who is going to be loyal to you, when people turn on you"
That is all Donald Trump cared about.
Yeah. The CIA always has your best interests at heart #1.