When Richard expressed he was more concerned about who might be outside in the hallway hearing those negative comments about members of the LGBTQ community than the hurt to himself, told me all I needed to know about this loving and amazing man. Ooooo, cannot wait for the following interviews... "Where none shall come to hurt or make afraid - all is well, all is well." Blessings, this day and always!
As a former Catholic, I went through the same experience. Ultimately, I left the church realizing that it was more into control, rather than truth, joy, goodness, and the Beattitudes. I chose the Sermon on the Mount instead.
I think so many of us believed that Christ would change me if I went on the mission. I asked every prayer. The answer I could not believe, God said no, I love you and accept you for who you are. That was the answer I received. It took me years to accept God's answer.
Wow. What a great story, and even better to know that is part of another story/stories. By the way could I ask you a favour? Would it be possible for you to get the volume of your microphone a bit louder, please? The sound of your voice gets a bit distant compared to the guest. Thank you.
He is by far one of the best humans that I’ve heard their life story. He did everything by the book when it came to trying to “fix” himself. He was never broken. The churches are broken, people have been suffering/ hiding and dealing with so much so much shame all because a lot of straight people can’t wrap Thant their nothing wrong with him or anyone like him🤧I’m so so soooooo happy for him. You deserve all the happiness in the world. You have this one life of earth for sure, make it count.
Richard, I'm not gay; however, I do wear a rainbow ring in support of my friends and family members who are. I live in Holbrook, Az.. I resigned from the Church in 2016 at age 82, If you are looking for and exmo friend, I extend you my hand.
I knew I was lesbian in the 1970s. I grew up reading and hearing Kimball. I went deep in the closet until 2011. I too tried to be perfect so I wouldn’t be all the evil things Kimball said I was.
Well I certainly would have loved to have met such a Bishop. Im 64 and have had to live a long life not allowed to hold a mans hand. At this point it appears to be too late. In my heart Im still that starry eyed 17 year old just hoping that some day it will be OK to have a chance of having Love.I still dream but never even received any acknowledgement for abstaining. Well my only consolation is Im old but disease free. 😅
Richard, thank you for sharing your story. While you were not able to be your authentic self for many years, you lived with an integrity that was characterized by living as faithfully as you could up until your revelation that you were just who God created you to be. As one with a similar story within another denomination, I can feel your pain. Looking forward to the next two episodes. Blessings on all that is ahead!
As some that has always had a truly soft spot for people who were gay. I never really understood why but it just felt like I always wanted to treat everyone equal. I have two teenager girls 17 and 19 and my oldest daughter came out to me after I sent her to counseling for several months not understanding what she was dealing with. I’d ask and she just says she was depressed. Long story short she was gay and my perfect first born daughter was gay. She though she’d be letting me, her father, and family down. She thought about harming herself because if the shame and we never spoke bad about gay or anyone but from the time she was a very young child she was always the smartest, the best manners, etc. I will say after spending thousands of dollars for counseling she finally came out to me. I was so relieved that was all that was wrong. I told her that she was perfect just the way she was. I’ve said this since I was young I truly just know they are born this way. There’s nothing wrong with gay people. I’ve always felt way before finding out that gay people are for the most part the some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met. My oldest sister had a guy friend that was what you’d call a drag Queen and my dad hated him and I never understood. He was like a brother to me and I never looked at him any way other than just a wonderful person. I truly pray for any gay boy, girl, woman or man can just live their authentic life. It really trips me out when people act like the gay will somehow rub off on their child😂 it don’t work like that, at all. I will always love my daughter just the way she is, and I gained another daughter in the process with her girlfriend. She so sweet and truly innocent in many ways just pure, good, hard working college girls. I wouldn’t change her if I could. I wish parents would understand that gay people cannot change that part of their life. I asked my mom if she would hook up with a woman so save her afterlife, she said no way. It’s no different asking a gay girl to be with a man or vice verse with men. Greg pod cast, you are amazing just the way you are, if your friends are real friends they will love you no matter what, same with family. Much love Tina❤️🙏🏼😘🥰 you guys are not broken, y’all are perfect just the way y’all are.
Must be incredibly difficult to observe a religion that requires works versus the grace of Christ. My security lies with Christ, not what I do for him, but what he’s done for me by grace, and grace alone.
32:00 you can’t take full blame. The cult brainwashed us into thinking we had to marry outside our orientation to go to heaven. They’re the ones that made pawns of both marriage partners.
Yes, as the straight "pawn" in a similar situation (without my knowledge or consent), I wish religious leaders understood the downstream consequences of their prejudice. Straight wives (and husbands too), end up having decades of our lives sacrificed on the altar of religious homophobia. Those are years we don't get back. We don't get back the opportunity to marry someone who truly loves and desires us. We make do with a heartbreaking, platonic form of love until our spouses come our or we can't take the baffling lack of intimacy anymore. But by then the harm is done. It can take years to trust other people to tell you the truth about who they are, and years to trust yourself to discern if they are lying.
Richard’s interview made me fully realize the synergy between those strictures imposed on being able to live one’s true LGBTQ identity by an intolerant religion and those imposed by any intolerant, conservative environment. His revelations make this abundantly clear: the years of anguish, waiting for some ‘miracle’ to occur in order to ‘ fit in’ and ‘be normal’; the transformation that never materialized - for how could it?; the need to overcome the inbred mantra that ‘wickedness can never lead to happiness’; the attempt to bury the sense of accute imperfection by shining in other spheres. If only all tormented souls could ultimately realize that, as Richard states, the ‘acting’ simply has got to stop in order to be fulfilled and live life as it was intended. ‘To thine own self be true’ and not as others require or would rather have you be. Hopefully, these interviews are providing the strength to do so to many - and especially to those terrified by the ‘table-thumpers’ - of both the overt and more subtle, insinuous kinds. Obtaining that strength will require, as Richard states at one point, at least double the courage” - probably much much more. For others, like myself, the interviews also provide a warm, comforting sense of affirmation and validation of the life-path both lived and subsequently chosen on one’s own particular ‘road to Damascus’ - of congruence - whether truly needed or not. Subject matter sometimes touched upon but rarely explored in depth. And so, a profound, sincere and heartfelt thank you.
My thoughts that the church can hurt mental more than help. I was in the choir at a southern Baptist church. Living as an open gay make true to myself. When the pastor ask me bout my gay life. He didn't like and I couldn't hold office and Choir was an office. Not until I have testimony going back in the closet. Could I rejoin my Choir family. So I didn't love opening but they didn't know that was between my God and myself. Thank you for all you do. Sincerely Greg from Maryville Tennessee
25 And the Lord said unto me: Marvel not that all mankind, yea, men and women, all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, must be born again; yea, born of God, changed from their carnal and fallen state, to a state of righteousness, being redeemed of God, becoming his sons and daughters; 26 And thus they become new creatures; and unless they do this, they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God.
It’s so incredibly sad that people have to pay to cheyrl ? ‘s wedding, baptize her own child, and even pay to going to heaven. This was one of my many drops 💧 of water in my bucket in the 1990s, that made my bucket 🪣 overflow. Nowadays they call it breaking your shelf from too many unreconcilable things being placed on it.
Geesh after a lifetime of the corporation and and pioneer stock here too, forget the shelf! I had an entire walk-in closest I had to throw all the corporation/mlm issues into until the door no longer would close!! I had no choice to finally "clean out house" to regain my health and integrity to myself 🕊💝 🙌
I’m always curious what qualifies people like Brother Martin the ability to determine what another’s path should look like-and all the judgment that it takes to make that determination.
At 7 years old God said my Same Gender attractions were CLEAN HE HAD PROVIDED A WAY FOR SAME GENDER ATTRACTIONS HIS WAYS WERE NOT MAN'S WAYS UNITED ORDER COVENANT OF HUSBANDMEN Is provided way for men to be sealed POLYGAMY is Covenamt of Wifewomen Not just polygamy Also Same Gender sealing for women!! Pray about it ❤❤❤
And Cheyenne Mountain! Dial the gate. Your Stake president was a perfect example of so much that is wrong with the church. I bet your ward was grateful for your understanding rather than judgement.
There are clues in plain sight Behold how Jesus loved him(Lazarus) As Jesus on cross with John and Mary, Jesus said behold your mother and behold your son to Mary and John Under the Covenant of Husbandmen aka thehe United Order Jesus entered to fulfill all righteousness with Lazarus and John For John as he was an husband naturally Mary was his mother in law With Lazarus, Jesus also married his two sisters Mary & Martha to fulfill all righteousness with the Covenant of Wifewomen AKA POLYGAMY The version of the Vision of Peter with the sheet and formerly unclean animals... Is missing two stone tablets in center One had engraved the Covenant of Maidservants (wifewomen) The other had the Covenant of Manservants (Husbandmen) Which following a Roman Centurian servant comes and Peter goes to a Roman man whom had a gay lover The household was baptized and under auspices of the vision it is likely Peter sealed the Roman and male lover as Husbandmen Joseph Smith feared to fully restore the Covenant of Manservants or even say the name outdoor because people already knew the Covenant of Maidservants was Polygamy so even simple math it's totally same gender marriage But Also The Covenant of Manservants Was used to have all assets & resources in common Was also used to override inheritance upon death of husband the wives and children go to brothers or father but under Covenant they go to a man under Covenant En exampleau, when Jonathan died his wives and children go to David under Covenant instead of Saul or brothers who were under condemnation Then also it is Same Gender Multiple Marriage for men As Covenant of Maidservants is Same Gender Multiple Marriage for women whom could shop around for a man of physical traits and elect Marriage to set up their own household and consider him nothing more than a coworker and sperm donor Please These two Covenants were presented at that great premortal Council where we were told of getting physical bodies and mortal life that in order to safeguard free agency, but more importantly TO PROVIDE A WAY OUT OF TEMPTATION IN ALL THINGS AND FOR FULLNESS OF JOY Same gender marriage then was provided by a loving Father in Heaven Amen❤
As a newly out gay man member of the church, it has been a huge struggle. His story resonates with me.
When Richard expressed he was more concerned about who might be outside in the hallway hearing those negative comments about members of the LGBTQ community than the hurt to himself, told me all I needed to know about this loving and amazing man. Ooooo, cannot wait for the following interviews... "Where none shall come to hurt or make afraid - all is well, all is well." Blessings, this day and always!
As a former Catholic, I went through the same experience. Ultimately, I left the church realizing that it was more into control, rather than truth, joy, goodness, and the Beattitudes. I chose the Sermon on the Mount instead.
Thank you
So happy for Richard. I hope his sons can find their way to live their dad AS HE IS. I wish him the best.
I am his son. It has everything to do with him sexually assaulting us and filming us during childhood.
wonderful interview! You are such a good interviewer. Looking forward to the rest of the trilogy
I think so many of us believed that Christ would change me if I went on the mission. I asked every prayer. The answer I could not believe, God said no, I love you and accept you for who you are. That was the answer I received. It took me years to accept God's answer.
Wow! First person you met from an app! Awesome! Can't wait for the next interviews!
Wow. What a great story, and even better to know that is part of another story/stories. By the way could I ask you a favour? Would it be possible for you to get the volume of your microphone a bit louder, please? The sound of your voice gets a bit distant compared to the guest. Thank you.
He is by far one of the best humans that I’ve heard their life story. He did everything by the book when it came to trying to “fix” himself. He was never broken. The churches are broken, people have been suffering/ hiding and dealing with so much so much shame all because a lot of straight people can’t wrap Thant their nothing wrong with him or anyone like him🤧I’m so so soooooo happy for him. You deserve all the happiness in the world. You have this one life of earth for sure, make it count.
Richard, I'm not gay; however, I do wear a rainbow ring in support of my friends and family members who are. I live in Holbrook, Az.. I resigned from the Church in 2016 at age 82, If you are looking for and exmo friend, I extend you my hand.
1:14:00 Yes! I’m glad there will be 2 more episodes! I *need* to hear a happy ending for gay Mormons.
I have a 🌈happy ending. But my 💀brother did not.
Powerful story guys, thanks for sharing
I knew I was lesbian in the 1970s. I grew up reading and hearing Kimball. I went deep in the closet until 2011. I too tried to be perfect so I wouldn’t be all the evil things Kimball said I was.
Another beautiful and meaningful interview. Thank you, gentlemen. 🙏
Well I certainly would have loved to have met such a Bishop. Im 64 and have had to live a long life not allowed to hold a mans hand. At this point it appears to be too late. In my heart Im still that starry eyed 17 year old just hoping that some day it will be OK to have a chance of having Love.I still dream but never even received any acknowledgement for abstaining. Well my only consolation is Im old but disease free. 😅
Richard, thank you for sharing your story. While you were not able to be your authentic self for many years, you lived with an integrity that was characterized by living as faithfully as you could up until your revelation that you were just who God created you to be. As one with a similar story within another denomination, I can feel your pain.
Looking forward to the next two episodes.
Blessings on all that is ahead!
What a wonderful and brave story. I would like to hear more about the ex-communication??? Thank you!!
As some that has always had a truly soft spot for people who were gay. I never really understood why but it just felt like I always wanted to treat everyone equal. I have two teenager girls 17 and 19 and my oldest daughter came out to me after I sent her to counseling for several months not understanding what she was dealing with. I’d ask and she just says she was depressed. Long story short she was gay and my perfect first born daughter was gay. She though she’d be letting me, her father, and family down. She thought about harming herself because if the shame and we never spoke bad about gay or anyone but from the time she was a very young child she was always the smartest, the best manners, etc. I will say after spending thousands of dollars for counseling she finally came out to me. I was so relieved that was all that was wrong. I told her that she was perfect just the way she was. I’ve said this since I was young I truly just know they are born this way. There’s nothing wrong with gay people. I’ve always felt way before finding out that gay people are for the most part the some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met. My oldest sister had a guy friend that was what you’d call a drag Queen and my dad hated him and I never understood. He was like a brother to me and I never looked at him any way other than just a wonderful person. I truly pray for any gay boy, girl, woman or man can just live their authentic life. It really trips me out when people act like the gay will somehow rub off on their child😂 it don’t work like that, at all. I will always love my daughter just the way she is, and I gained another daughter in the process with her girlfriend. She so sweet and truly innocent in many ways just pure, good, hard working college girls. I wouldn’t change her if I could. I wish parents would understand that gay people cannot change that part of their life. I asked my mom if she would hook up with a woman so save her afterlife, she said no way. It’s no different asking a gay girl to be with a man or vice verse with men. Greg pod cast, you are amazing just the way you are, if your friends are real friends they will love you no matter what, same with family. Much love Tina❤️🙏🏼😘🥰 you guys are not broken, y’all are perfect just the way y’all are.
Must be incredibly difficult to observe a religion that requires works versus the grace of Christ. My security lies with Christ, not what I do for him, but what he’s done for me by grace, and grace alone.
32:00 you can’t take full blame. The cult brainwashed us into thinking we had to marry outside our orientation to go to heaven. They’re the ones that made pawns of both marriage partners.
Yes, as the straight "pawn" in a similar situation (without my knowledge or consent), I wish religious leaders understood the downstream consequences of their prejudice. Straight wives (and husbands too), end up having decades of our lives sacrificed on the altar of religious homophobia. Those are years we don't get back. We don't get back the opportunity to marry someone who truly loves and desires us. We make do with a heartbreaking, platonic form of love until our spouses come our or we can't take the baffling lack of intimacy anymore. But by then the harm is done. It can take years to trust other people to tell you the truth about who they are, and years to trust yourself to discern if they are lying.
Richard’s interview made me fully realize the synergy between those strictures imposed on being able to live one’s true LGBTQ identity by an intolerant religion and those imposed by any intolerant, conservative environment. His revelations make this abundantly clear: the years of anguish, waiting for some ‘miracle’ to occur in order to ‘ fit in’ and ‘be normal’; the transformation that never materialized - for how could it?; the need to overcome the inbred mantra that ‘wickedness can never lead to happiness’; the attempt to bury the sense of accute imperfection by shining in other spheres. If only all tormented souls could ultimately realize that, as Richard states, the ‘acting’ simply has got to stop in order to be fulfilled and live life as it was intended. ‘To thine own self be true’ and not as others require or would rather have you be. Hopefully, these interviews are providing the strength to do so to many - and especially to those terrified by the ‘table-thumpers’ - of both the overt and more subtle, insinuous kinds. Obtaining that strength will require, as Richard states at one point, at least double the courage” - probably much much more. For others, like myself, the interviews also provide a warm, comforting sense of affirmation and validation of the life-path both lived and subsequently chosen on one’s own particular ‘road to Damascus’ - of congruence - whether truly needed or not. Subject matter sometimes touched upon but rarely explored in depth. And so, a profound, sincere and heartfelt thank you.
My thoughts that the church can hurt mental more than help. I was in the choir at a southern Baptist church. Living as an open gay make true to myself. When the pastor ask me bout my gay life. He didn't like and I couldn't hold office and Choir was an office. Not until I have testimony going back in the closet. Could I rejoin my Choir family. So I didn't love opening but they didn't know that was between my God and myself. Thank you for all you do. Sincerely Greg from Maryville Tennessee
Do many or few relationship in the gay LDS communities follow a monogamous life or are they poly amorous due to teaching in the church on polygamy?
Richard I Truly Understand. 😢
I was once a bishop for over five years and a member for over about 28 years but Jesus found me and I have resigned. Praise God.
25 And the Lord said unto me: Marvel not that all mankind, yea, men and women, all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, must be born again; yea, born of God, changed from their carnal and fallen state, to a state of righteousness, being redeemed of God, becoming his sons and daughters;
26 And thus they become new creatures; and unless they do this, they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God.
It’s so incredibly sad that people have to pay to cheyrl ? ‘s wedding, baptize her own child, and even pay to going to heaven. This was one of my many drops 💧 of water in my bucket in the 1990s, that made my bucket 🪣 overflow. Nowadays they call it breaking your shelf from too many unreconcilable things being placed on it.
Geesh after a lifetime of the corporation and and pioneer stock here too, forget the shelf! I had an entire walk-in closest I had to throw all the corporation/mlm issues into until the door no longer would close!! I had no choice to finally "clean out house" to regain my health and integrity to myself 🕊💝 🙌
It always makes me sad when people end up taking the path of least resistence and give up on themselves. Lo, how the mighty are fallen.
I’m always curious what qualifies people like Brother Martin the ability to determine what another’s path should look like-and all the judgment that it takes to make that determination.
At 7 years old God said my Same Gender attractions were CLEAN
HE HAD PROVIDED A WAY FOR SAME GENDER ATTRACTIONS
HIS WAYS WERE NOT MAN'S WAYS
UNITED ORDER
COVENANT
OF
HUSBANDMEN
Is provided way for men to be sealed
POLYGAMY is Covenamt of Wifewomen
Not just polygamy
Also Same Gender sealing for women!!
Pray about it
❤❤❤
And Cheyenne Mountain! Dial the gate.
Your Stake president was a perfect example of so much that is wrong with the church. I bet your ward was grateful for your understanding rather than judgement.
There are clues in plain sight
Behold how Jesus loved him(Lazarus)
As Jesus on cross with John and Mary, Jesus said behold your mother and behold your son to Mary and John
Under the Covenant of Husbandmen aka thehe United Order Jesus entered to fulfill all righteousness with Lazarus and John
For John as he was an husband naturally Mary was his mother in law
With Lazarus, Jesus also married his two sisters Mary & Martha to fulfill all righteousness with the Covenant of Wifewomen AKA POLYGAMY
The version of the Vision of Peter with the sheet and formerly unclean animals...
Is missing two stone tablets in center
One had engraved the Covenant of Maidservants (wifewomen)
The other had the Covenant of Manservants (Husbandmen)
Which following a Roman Centurian servant comes and Peter goes to a Roman man whom had a gay lover
The household was baptized and under auspices of the vision it is likely Peter sealed the Roman and male lover as Husbandmen
Joseph Smith feared to fully restore the Covenant of Manservants or even say the name outdoor because people already knew the Covenant of Maidservants was Polygamy so even simple math it's totally same gender marriage
But
Also
The Covenant of Manservants
Was used to have all assets & resources in common
Was also used to override inheritance upon death of husband the wives and children go to brothers or father but under Covenant they go to a man under Covenant
En exampleau, when Jonathan died his wives and children go to David under Covenant instead of Saul or brothers who were under condemnation
Then also it is Same Gender Multiple Marriage for men
As Covenant of Maidservants is Same Gender Multiple Marriage for women whom could shop around for a man of physical traits and elect Marriage to set up their own household and consider him nothing more than a coworker and sperm donor
Please
These two Covenants were presented at that great premortal Council where we were told of getting physical bodies and mortal life that in order to safeguard free agency, but more importantly TO PROVIDE A WAY OUT OF TEMPTATION IN ALL THINGS AND FOR FULLNESS OF JOY
Same gender marriage then was provided by a loving Father in Heaven
Amen❤