My Grandfather installed a phone line in Ty Cobb's home in Atherton, CA and had a chance to chat Cobb up about baseball. Big thrill for grandpa as he was a huge baseball fan..
That would be a dream come true to speak to a guy like Ruth , Cobb , Hornsby etc. . The first thing I’d ask him is if he would hit .400 today , and my impression of him from what I’ve seen and read is that he would be kind of like a slightly more cynical version of Pete rose , because they both were / are baseball addicts with a level of respect for the players that came after him and bucket loads of confidence , but the game is just so different now than it was when he played , with starters lasting 6-7 innings max but averaging closer to 4 per start and then most hitters are facing 3 different pitchers for every 4 at bats they get . But the live ball and the fact that modern uniforms probably weigh a full pound or 2 less than what that era of players wore definitely would have worked in his favor as well
Lol you hear horror stories about him. I’ve never heard him act anything but humble. He actually has more recorded stuff than I thought there would be.
@@CHSN-1 that's cause back in the day you didn't have journos basing their careers on taking down public figures. Also most of these public figures knew that if any of their misdeeds went public that was it, things weren't found out til well after their careers and usually after their deaths. 9 out of 10 carried themselves outgoing, humble, caring, etc... But a handful of them were monsters usually because of alcohol and spousal abuse...but Cobb was known to be a prick during his time playing, whether it be his intentional spiking or just poor attitude towards players and fans. Or it could be cause he was well known to carry a pistol around Incase any yank fans gave him any trouble
Absolutely , but they want to tout Ruth more and bash this man’s reputation by superficial judgement . I respect this man so much. I’m so grateful to hear him speak now in 2023. I just learned something about how old he was when he was retiring and his batting average was still high . I’m floored😮
Indeed. Listen to him starting at 7:55 when Mr. Cloutier talks about his many records. Cobb seems almost shy about them. Was the same in his guest appearance on "I've Got A Secret ," three years earlier.
Just another example of how Ty Cobbs name has been drug through the mud for no reason. Sure Mr. Cobb was a competitor and fiery and we know that lost his temper at times. But for people to think he was an absolute monster is ridiculous. This interview was fabulous and it shows what a true gentleman he could be. If you have not read Charles Leerhsen's book called A Terrible Beauty, I highly recommended it. During this interview he seemed to be truly meek and mild and exhibited humility.
Thank you SO MUCH Leo for providing these interviews to us. Such a treasure for us who were big sports fans growing up in this era. Much appreciated, sir!!
Just read “Ty Cobb, a terrible beauty”. Incredibly researched, it’s the definitive book on Tyrus Raymond Cobb. You can see him as he was, a tremendously talent and competitor. All the old players know he was the best, along with Wagner. He was a fighter, with seemingly everyone at least at times. Hated to lose. Hot tempered.
This is the first time I Have Ever Heard The Voice of Ty Cobb !!...Incredible Recording For The Time !!..( Almost In H.D. !!).....This Is Truly One Of The Gems of Utube !!!...
His accent is so interesting to me. I can hear the Southern accent, but he did live most of his adult life in the North, so you can hear that mixed in too. I've never heard him speak before, so this is really fascinating.
my dad was born in 24 and he told me that he was probably the best "player" ever and my dad LOVED the game. he's gone now of course but i like to think he even heard the game where ruth "called" his shot. he like mantle a lot as well. thinkin back to the seventies when i was a wee lad i remember him sitting in front of the little 12 inch black and white and call the pitches and how he would growl when the ump got it wrong. we watched aaron break ruth's title. and many other games during that decade. but he always help mr. cobb in the highest regard as far as ball players go. and what really surprised me the most about hearing ole ty speak for the first time in my life is how educated he clearly was. not bad for a backwoods boy from georgia at the turn of the century (the last century of course). barely even an accent. any way thanks for the upload.
That was great. My grandfather met Ty Cobb and held him in high regard. My grandfather was a shortstop who played the game the same way Ty did. Unfortunately, he was young and dumb and did some young and dumb things that cost him his shot but he remained a Tiger fan until the day he died. Sadly, the Sporting News recently wrote an article citing the best athletes from each of the cities that have teams in the four major sports. They listed Al Kaline as the greatest Tiger and while Al was my hero growing up, they got that one wrong. Ty Cobb was the greatest player to lace em up for the Tigers and it isn't even close. If it was a popularity contest, okay, Al comes in first every time. But I think Al would admit they got that one wrong. RIP Ty. It's a shame so many believe all the nasty BS that has been written about you after you passed away and didn't have a chance to set the record straight.
You’re absolutely right sir , I agree , it’s a shame and I definately don’t believe Kaline should hold that spot , I agree it isn’t even close . I’m shocked Detroit did that to Cobb in the ranking . God damn popularity contest , Cobb kept to himself more and was absolutely the greatest and lesser baseball minded people want to put Ruth on a pedestal as well labeling Kaline in that spot , they should be absolutely ashamed , ignorant because they don’t understand but act like they do. Btw I’m 38 years old , I want you guys to know that because I don’t want older generations thinking like how I do and assume Cobb is so lost to time as it goes on , I dug into the man of Ty Cobb and KNOW he’s the greatest in my opinion. I also want to make it a point that I pitched up until college then I joined the service . I knew the game and believe I come from school of hard knocks baseball , I always looked to the guys who had true grit and Cobb was definitely one of them . He even served his country during the Great War as a chemical agent specialist. I’m an OIF vet myself -Thanks for reading
Al Kaline as the “greatest Tiger”?! Gosh they were WAY way off in that one. All due respect to Kaline, but he couldn’t hold a candle to Ty Cobb. Harry Heilmann and Gehringer and Hank Greenberg are all above Kaline too.
Wonderful interview. After all the years of hearing negative comments about him, this was an especially insightful and a very warm exchange. I greatly appreciate it.
Again the lying vicious press has bad mouthed this great player....they did the same to Albert Belle/and a great President Trump....fake news seems have been around a lot longer than folks wanna realize!!
Humble and kind? He was universally despised, hated, and shunned by people in the Baseball world. Having said that his ability, talent, and, claim to be the GOAT. can not be denied.
@michael bryant No, he wasn’t. If you’re interested in the truth, read Charles Leerhsen’s book that dispels all the misinformation put out by Al Stump.
@@michaelbryant2071 Most of the hate was blown out of proportion by Al Stump, the discredited writer that made Cobb out to be the most hated and racist man in baseball and lied in his book "Cobb" which was turned into a movie. Many if not most of these lies have been proven lies and you'll find no player of that era that would say they 'hated' Cobb, or 'shunned' him.
The Al Stump books on Ty as well as the Tommy Lee Jones movie adaptation of Stump's final book on Cobb were grossly unfair to the memory of one of the greatest ball players to ever step on a diamond. "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty" by Charles Leerhsen correctly restores the smeared reputation of Ty done by Stump in order to make a buck; definitely worth a read as Leerhrsen methodically takes on and tears apart the Stump smears. What an incredible interview this is! And what a gracious, humble man Ty Cobb comes across here, indicative of what he was in real life; not in the fiction created by two bit author Al Stump.
Cobb was easily the most intelligent ballplayer of his time, and his scientific study of hitting and baserunning, in addition to his DESIRE to be the best, made him what he was. That said, Jones' portrayal of Cobb was pretty accurate when you consider how Cobb was regarded by his peers (teammates included). In addition to being the best ballplayer of his era, Cobb was a surly, deranged psychotic on the diamond, according to his fellow ballplayers. He went out of his way to antagonize opposing players, and even his own teammates on the Tigers if, in his paranoia, he felt threatened by their influence on the team. As to Leerhsen's book, I read it. Rather than smearing, it actually creates a "reputation" that Cobb never had. Not an easy task considering it was 100 years after the man played. Leerhsen painstakingly cherry-picked archives that were favorable to Cobb, or offered an alternative path of thought for the reader to take. Leerhsen's book is mainly a searing character assassination of...Al Stump, a writer who did actually spend a considerable amount of time with Cobb. If you'd like to see just how much of Cobb's life Leerhsen left out (or ignored because it didn't fit his agenda), read "Ty Cobb UNLEASHED: The Definitive Counter-Biography of the Chastened Racist". The author, Howard Rosenberg, addresses the omissions of Leerhsen's book, as well as the campaign, a century after the fact, to create an image of Cobb as being "misunderstood" by modern baseball fans, and "misrepresented" by Stump.
Incredible historic interview with a baseball icon. IMHO; the greatest MLB player ever. Unfortunate that so many younger people dismiss him as a racist scumbag. He wasn't! He was a product of the times in which he lived and the experiences he collected during his lifetime. An immense talent who may never be eclipsed.
Hey, liked your post! The media of today make the same mistake over and over! They look at historical figures and events through the context of the 21st century. Ty Cobb's legacy is a perfect example of this flaw. The man was born in Royston GA in 1886, just 25 yrs after the Civil War ended. Of course his attitude towards black people, when compared with today's social context, is considered beyond the pale and any one holding such views will be immediately condemned as mean spirited, ignorant or just plain evil. Two incidents in Cobbs life should be considered as they show that Cobb held some extremely progressive ideas regarding race. Especially for a young man from the deep South living in the first 2 or 3 decades of the 20th Century. The first involved a young homeless black man living on the streets of Detroit where Cobb recently had begun his MLB career with the Tigers. Cobb invited the youngster into his home where he was fed, clothed and educated under Cobb's largesse. It seems he stayed with the Cobb family for years. The second case can be seen as a slap to the face of Jim Crowe's southern establishment! Cobb had become an extremely wealthy man through keen real estate dealings, investing heavily in Detroit's fledgling auto industry, and most importantly investing in a local Georgia based soft drink company called Coca-Cola and run by his friend, Asa Candler. Cobb, wanting to give back to the people of the Royston region, he funded a state of the art hospital to be built in Royston. However, there was one caveat to be met and that was it must admit blacks regardless of their ability to pay. This was unheard of in the mainly white hospitals of the South, or any other part of the US, for that matter. I believe Cobb had a flawed character and at times bent to a darker side of himself, but seemed also to be a source of friendship, money and solace to any number of his old baseball contemporaries and team mates who should find themselves down on their luck!
Ty Cobb's Grandfather was a conscientious objector to the Confederate Army in the Civil War. His father was a judge that defended black people in Georgia and later North Carolina in trumped up criminal cases. KKK-types were regularly threatening his father. He was shot accidentally by Ty Cobb's mother who thought an intruder was in the house (they were regularly worried about this due to Mr. Cobb's stature as a judge at the turn of the century. Stump was a big-time fraud and invented Cobb's persona of a being a KKK-supporter and all that nonsense. His family had a long tradition in the South as anti-racist and trying to be fair, grandfather, father and one uncle, who all worked in or around the legal-political professions.
It was better than that. His Grandfather conscientiously objected from the Confederacy over slavery, his father broke up a lynch mob (a 1/4 of documented lynchings were of whites), and he felt that segregated baseball was wrong...
I ride my bike in Detroit a lot, and I pass by the two different houses he lived in at various points in his life. One is in Woodbridge just a mile from The Corner where he played. It’s cool to imagine him commuting to the stadium in 1905. Did he take a streetcar or did he walk? His grown-up house is further out in Boston Edison on Atkinson.
So true. The majority of today's pro athletes are conceited, selfish, egotistical , over-paid. They take all of the credit for their good fortune, and forget all of the people who have heiped them along in life.
That movie with Tommy Lee Jones was terrible. Jones played him like a screaming insane nut. That movie was made about 30 years ago and I don't think I have ever heard hear anybody mention it. I don't think anybody knows the movie was ever made. It was that lousy.
Let’s hope no one ever trashes us after we pass away the way Al Stump did Ty Cobb. Hollywood is no better but they’re never interested in the truth. If there was a Hall of Shame, Al Stump would be in it.
I think ty cobb was like Pete Rose, tough, hyper competitive and would do anything to win. I think he was a better guy than what al stump wrote about him
Whatever one feels about sports in general and the part they play in a society...Cobb distinguished himself on the baseball field as one of the best at a sport that was still in it's infancy... with regards to expected professional athletic performance.
The Ty Cobb movie starring Tommy Lee Jones is despicable filth portraying and focusing on Cobb as a bigot/racist/alcoholic. Nothing about baseball and what he contributed. I walked out of the movie along with many other baseball fans who anticipated better. I love this interview
Hard to compare the 2, both excellent players with different playing styles. While I believe every team needs a player like Cobb, I give the edge to Ruth who obviously hit for tremendous power but was no slouch hitting for average, maintaining a .342 for his career.
Hi Leo I remember back in the mid seventies a friend of mine was renting an apartment on Walnut street next door to Joe Maltais. This building was owned by Joe. I remember my friend found some old film cans or audio tapes with your name on them. My friend at the time worked for a Leo Cloutier who owned Manchester Speed Shop. I think the labels mentioned New England Dragway and the dates were early seventies.
His son Herschel lived across the street from my family, Ty came and spent summers, sitting in the sun room, barking at us to get off the lawn, leave him alone and stop playing ball while he was trying to rest. My old man who was a doctor would accede to Ty's request and put him in the hospital with his strongbox and Coke stocks, to hide from troublesome people......
Great story. Ty Cobb supposedly spent his later years in a wheelchair with a bag of thousands in cash and a loaded Luger pistol. He got wealthy by investing early in Coca Cola.
Some of the greats of all sports were always humble away from the game but IN the game it was war. Ty Cobb, Ali, Dick Butkus, Jack Dempsey, Marciano etc. All were humble away from the sport but savages in the game.
Cobb was the second highest paid in his era behind Babe Ruth. Very smart there also! A guy like Lou Gehrig of the Yankees didn't push to get paid what he should of and the Yankees took advantage of Gehrig! Cobb and Ruth were sharp! Ruth made $160,000 in 1930 and 31 or $80,000 a year. Most guys were making around $5,000.
@@mitchelll3879 I wrote the second highest paid behind Ruth? My entire comment was about salary and money! Second is there were five voted in the first class in 1936, Matty, Wagner, Johnson, Ruth, and Cobb but my post had nothing to do with the 1936 HOF vote, I posted about salary and actually complemented Cobb!
Cobb was on his way out in 1922. He already led the league in salary for something like 9 out of the previous 11 years. In his era, Cobb was the highest paid player. Ruth came to fill Cobb's shoes. He didn't.
$80,000 a year was the Babe’s best, but he made more money than President Hoover. When asked how he felt about making more money than the President, he stated that he should make more money than Hoover because he had had a better year than Hoover had.
When I was a kid I thought he was a great player but also a mean, nasty man. I'm glad that I found out later he had been given a very bad rap and a lot of things were exaggerated. I still don't like that line about him in Field of Dreams. I love this interview.
Nope..There is a character stipulation in BASEBALL's HALL OF FAME..and I am not talking about his morals, or calling a professional working woman journalist in Philly at the '80 PHILS WORLD CHAMPS REUNION- "BABE" dismissively a couple of weekends ago just because he did not like her questions about his shady garbage and its consequences, a detestable act toward that journalist. By the way, I am not anywhere close to a lefty or an enflamed women's lib supporter. I just believe people should be treated with respect, especially when they are professionals working at their jobs unless they do something to validate not earning that respect. That is not virtue signalling, but is championing the way that folks jave to behave in a supposedly civilized society, to preserve that society. NO, I AM NOT TALKING though about character with that stuff listed above.. ABOUT THAT CRAP BY ROSE. Noooo.. I am speaking of three major issues: LYING TO THE COMMISSIONER OF BASEBALL..("No, I did not bet on Baseball") SELLING ILLEGAL STEROIDS IN THE 1980'S.. BUT, WORSE THAN ANY OF THAT IS- BETTING ON BASEBALL, not just as a player, but WHILE MANAGING. The nites he did not bet on his team to win..even if he did not bet at all on any of their games on those days, was a tipoff that he had little confidence in his starting pitcher(injury?; or his pitcher on the onset of a mechanical issue that would lead to slumping, an issue only the pitching coach knew about?; hitters playing with injuries that had not been identified yet, psychological issues that popped up behind the scenes, personal homelife issues affecting concentration, etc?) or hitters(some of those same pitchers' issues), etc.. That lack of betting on his club, sent a message to gamblers on those days...make no mistake.. And, if his team was being bet on to win by ROSE, as a manager things could get very desperate if his club wasn't coming very close to meeting the expected run differential, even if his club was ahead at that time. How did that affect strategy? See.. Its just SIMPLY THE CASE..GAMBLING WILL KILL SPORTS IF THE GAMES' PARTICIPANTS ARE INVOLVED WITH IT IN THEIR GAMES AND THEIR LEAGUES' GAMES, INVOLVED IN IT to the detriment of their team..which that damage to the team is generally going to happen 90 percent of the time when or if, gambling rears its head. I personally believe ROSE IS 50/50 ON THAT BETTING AGAINST THE TEAM possibility as manager(he was initially a playing manager, remember?), QUESTION. He is just that kind of human being. The fact is, if fans think the games are fixed and players and managers are corrupt in any form..FANS WILL STOP GOING TO THE GAMES. ITS WRITTEN in a posted order and warning ON EVERY BASEBALL CLUBHOUSE WALL IN EVERY PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE:(PARAPHRASING) ABSOLUTELY NO GAMBLING ON BASEBALL IS PERMITTED.. IF CAUGHT..ITS A LIFETIME BAN.. Why do you think that the punishment for GAMBLING IS ON THE AVERAGE, THE STRONGEST THERE IS IN BASEBALL for any transgression..? And, I don't care if DRAFT KINGS, etc is linked with MLB..even if it increases accessibility and motivation for the players. The issue issssss the ACTIVE PLAYERS AND MANAGERS doing it regardless of motivation or easier access.. ITS FORBIDDEN, BECAUSE ITS THE KISS OF DEATH.. Don't believe me?.. Just hide and watch what happens if we ever get another BLACK SOX SCANDAL, ESPECIALLY IF ITS MUCH BIGGER NEXT TIME.. NO, ROSE is not material for a venture that is a marketing tool for the good of the game of Baseball, a HALL OF FAME..the keyword there is FAME..how famous do these players and managers get, and how do they use their fame to allow the game to grow, and the business of baseball to grow, and how does their fame honor their game's lore from the past; another marketing tool. ITS NOT A HALL OF STATS, or SERIES TITLES, PENNANTS, OR PLAYOFF SPOTS, ITS A HALL OF....FAME. And, before any of you have any ideas about "what about-isms" vis-a-vis COBB'S reputation and others, those that probably cheated WITH HGH OR STEROIDS in the 1990's but, did not get close to being caught, or just dodged that nabbing; before that is your retort, LET ME SAY: ITS TOO BAD THAT THE OTHERS WHO ESCAPED AND WHO WERE LIKELY GUILTY, WERE NOT CAUGHT.. But, several wrongs don't make a right, if we can have that "right" occur by promoting its safe passage, enabling us to establish a more secure foothold on blocking wrongs in the future and at least stopping transgressions in the past.. THEN WHY NOT TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE STUFF, that WE CAN, WILL, AND DO CATCH? Sorry, I would keep the ban on ROSE..set an example for younger players..YOU GAMBLE ON BASEBALL, YOU END UP LIKE ROSE, getting it maybe forever, KIDS.. WHAT PART OF the clubhouse post: (paraphrasing)GAMBLING ON BASEBALL IS FORBIDDEN.. what part did ROSE not understand/COMPREHEND, exactly?.. Did he also break the law as per illegal steroid selling? According to BIGTIME BASEBALL RESEARCHERS, he did. No, character counts in the HALL'S CRITERIA IN Baseball, and for those that get caught not having a lot of it, WELL, you break the law, and/or Baseball rules, you pay the piper. YOU WERE WARNED, PETE! RIGHT? WAS HE WARNED? He wiped out his own pre-violations, legacy. PETE ROSE DID THAT. He can read.
I don’t think you compare players across generations, given the change in competition and segregated leagues. Barry Bonds in his steroid prime unquestionably the greatest hitter ever. But Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, Paige, Josh Gibson owned baseball in their prime.
I read a story about Cobb that addressed this very question. A writer asked Cobb this very question in 1954, Cobb answered I would be lucky to hit around 200. The reporter was surprised and said something along the lines of, I know pitchers are better today but by that much? Cobb said, Well sir I'm almost 70 years old...
@@bobhart677 I heard a different version of this story. Cobb was asked what he would hit if he played today (which would have been about 1960). He said, "I'd probably hit around .290." The reporter was surprised Cobb thought he would not crack .300, to which Cobb replied, "Well, I am 72." Btw, I started using a version of Cobb's split batting grip when I was 13. I was not a power hitter and found it gave me great bat control and consistent contact. To this day, if a pick up a bat, it's with a split grip.
@@brendanjobe6895 Williams missed almost 5 years fighting in two wars and said he was never the same hitter after 1950 when he ran into the wall in Comiskey Park in Chicago in the all star game catching Ralph Kiner's drive. Williams faced black players, the slider, closers, and night baseball but Cobb before 1920 in the Dead Ball era was around .385 facing spitters and all kinds of trick pitches deemed illegal in 1920 for most. Williams up to 1957 was a .353 hitter and then hit .328, .254 in an injury filled year (neck) and .316 in 1960. Williams 37, 130, 127 runs scored, 37 doubles, 5 triples, .482 on base and .634 slugging with a 1.116 ops! Cobb 6, 104, 120 runs scored, 39 doubles, 16 triples, .433 on base, and .512 slugging with a .944 ops! Williams basically way better in everything except average and killed in stolen bases but he killed in power and had more doubles per at bat. Because of all the Williams walks, he averaged 143 a year, Cobb averaged 611 at bats to Williams 545 at bats. Williams only struck out 50 times a year as a slugger! Cobb not much better with 36 strikeouts a year and only 67 walks compared to 143 walks for Williams. The amazing thing is how many runs Williams averaged. 127 runs scored a year compared to Cobb's 120 and Williams with 37 doubles in 545 at bats to 39 doubles in 611 at bats and of course 37 homers and 130 ribbies to 6 homers and 104 ribbies and Williams on base almost half the time. Williams at .482 to Ruth's .474 on base amazing and Williams second to Ruth at .634 slugging to .690. I think overall Williams was the better hitter than Cobb. I like all the power, not just home runs and all the produced runs. Others may like the stolen bases but I'd rather have the power and let others steal bases. I always look at Ted Williams and his replacement Yaz is a joke. Yaz had three 40 homer seasons and then over 20 years hit 328 homers that is 16.4 homers a season and was a .285 hitter. Yaz had 124 homers and 334 ribbies in 1967, 69, and 70 and for the other 20 years had 328 homers and 1,510 ribbies. So over 20 full seasons Yaz averaged 16.4 homers and 75.5 ribbies and was a .285 hitter for his career. It was actually under .285 because he hit .326 in 67 and .329 in 1970 with .255 in 1969 that is over .300 so in reality over 20 years: Yaz was a 16 homer, 76 ribbie around .280 hitter with no speed! What is special about that? Probably the most overrated player ever along with Robin Yount another fugazi HOF player!
@@brendanjobe6895 I'd take Ruth with an average over 544 at bats of 46, 143, 33 doubles, 9 triples, .474 on base, .690 slugging, 1.164 Ops, and a .342 average plus super clutch in the World Series in hitting and pitching. Ruth won 7 of 10 World Series and was 3-0 with a 0.87 era as a Boston starter and then in 1923, 26, 27, 28, and 32 as a Yankee over 85 at bats had 34 hits for a .400 average with 14 homers and 25 ribbies. He had one bad series going 2 for 17 in 1922 and was 1 for 11 as a hitting pitcher with Boston so from 3 for 28 he then went 39 for 101 with 15 homers and 29 runs batted in. Who is more clutch than Babe Ruth? As a Yankee over 15 seasons he had 659 homers, 1,978 runs batted in and hit .349! 44 homers a year in a 154 game schedule! Babe Ruth was amazing!
@@jacksmith5692 Ty for that informative comment. I agree with you about Yaz, who I've always admired, and I'm a life-long Yankees' fan. 😎👍 Yount, too, for that matter.
@@waynej2608 Yeah Yaz is not what they make him out to be. He had three 40 homers years and then never hit over 28 homers over 20 years and only drove in 100 runs twice (102) except for the three 40 homer seasons. After 1970, he played 13 seasons and hit .301 once and never was a .300 hitter so again what was so great about Yaz? Did he have blazing speed like a Lou Brock or a Rickey Henderson? No! The other thing is from 1961 to 1972, his contemporary in the National League was Roberto Clemente. From 1961 to 1972, Yaz hit .291 From 1961 to 1972, Clemente hit .331 40 points higher over 12 seasons and Clemente was a right hand hitter so he got out of the box slower! Any way you slice it Yaz was totally overrated!
They say he was supposed to be such a mean guy. But that’s clearly not the impression I get from this interview.. I think alot of bad things said about him are bull shit.
Babe Ruth..the greatest ever over a 1 year schedule, Micky Mantle the greatest in a world series situation in home runs at 18, but Cobb at a ONE game situation that HAD to be won that goe's to Ty Cobb. Case closed. Robert at 69.
They said so much shit about him AFTER he died but they wouldn't say shit to his face. Ty was a nice dude but he didn't fuck around! ... besides, even if some of that shit was true, HE WAS BORN IN 1961 IN GEORGIA. Do you remember the new years eve 1999 when one century clicked over to another? Yeah he was there for the one before that so don't judge.
Because it was based on a book written by a bum, a washed up sportswriter who couldn't hold a job due to his drinking. He was a coward to boot, waiting until Ty passed away to publish his piece of fiction.
@@malbuff Hollywood actors usually do their homework - would Daniel Day-Lewis play Lincoln as a drunken brawler? Especially a Harvard-educated southerner (Texan) like Jones. He should have refused the part, but I guess he was 'Stump-ed' like everyone else and believed the bs. So glad the movie bombed ... time to set the record straight about the greatest player in the game.
Intelligent,humble,honest,@ not arrogant. Gets a bad rap. Sounds good.
My Grandfather installed a phone line in Ty Cobb's home in Atherton, CA and had a chance to chat Cobb up about baseball. Big thrill for grandpa as he was a huge baseball fan..
That would be a dream come true to speak to a guy like Ruth , Cobb , Hornsby etc. . The first thing I’d ask him is if he would hit .400 today , and my impression of him from what I’ve seen and read is that he would be kind of like a slightly more cynical version of Pete rose , because they both were / are baseball addicts with a level of respect for the players that came after him and bucket loads of confidence , but the game is just so different now than it was when he played , with starters lasting 6-7 innings max but averaging closer to 4 per start and then most hitters are facing 3 different pitchers for every 4 at bats they get . But the live ball and the fact that modern uniforms probably weigh a full pound or 2 less than what that era of players wore definitely would have worked in his favor as well
Wow, legendary ❤ ty cobb
Wow! What an interview! To hear Ty Cobb reflect on his past is truly a blessing for us all. Hope all young players are listening.
Very kind humble southern gentleman.
Wow! What a gem this interview is! Thank you so much for posting
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Thanks for coming to Japan before Ruth
I agree that Ty Cobb is the greatest baseball hitter
Ty Cobb comes across as a humble man.
Lol you hear horror stories about him. I’ve never heard him act anything but humble. He actually has more recorded stuff than I thought there would be.
@@CHSN-1 that's cause back in the day you didn't have journos basing their careers on taking down public figures. Also most of these public figures knew that if any of their misdeeds went public that was it, things weren't found out til well after their careers and usually after their deaths. 9 out of 10 carried themselves outgoing, humble, caring, etc... But a handful of them were monsters usually because of alcohol and spousal abuse...but Cobb was known to be a prick during his time playing, whether it be his intentional spiking or just poor attitude towards players and fans. Or it could be cause he was well known to carry a pistol around Incase any yank fans gave him any trouble
Ty Cobb is the most tenacious athlete this country has ever known. R-E-S-P-E-C-T !
Absolutely , but they want to tout Ruth more and bash this man’s reputation by superficial judgement . I respect this man so much. I’m so grateful to hear him speak now in 2023. I just learned something about how old he was when he was retiring and his batting average was still high . I’m floored😮
Love that he had the chance to witness some of Mantles career and talk about it.
Cobb proved to be gracious and magnanimous in the end.
Very humble.
Indeed. Listen to him starting at 7:55 when Mr. Cloutier talks about his many records. Cobb seems almost shy about them. Was the same in his guest appearance on "I've Got A Secret ," three years earlier.
Just another example of how Ty Cobbs name has been drug through the mud for no reason. Sure Mr. Cobb was a competitor and fiery and we know that lost his temper at times. But for people to think he was an absolute monster is ridiculous. This interview was fabulous and it shows what a true gentleman he could be. If you have not read Charles Leerhsen's book called A Terrible Beauty, I highly recommended it. During this interview he seemed to be truly meek and mild and exhibited humility.
Humble, articulate. Very impressed.
Awesome, love Ty Cobb. Thanks for sharing.
Great sound clarity, even after 63 years. Great interview. Great man.
I thought it was a recreation by voice actors! Such amazing audio fidelity!
My favorite baseball player of all time.
Wonderful interview of a gracious, supremely talented gentleman.
TY IS THE BEST !!
Thank you SO MUCH Leo for providing these interviews to us. Such a treasure for us who were big sports fans growing up in this era. Much appreciated, sir!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Just read “Ty Cobb, a terrible beauty”. Incredibly researched, it’s the definitive book on Tyrus Raymond Cobb. You can see him as he was, a tremendously talent and competitor. All the old players know he was the best, along with Wagner. He was a fighter, with seemingly everyone at least at times. Hated to lose. Hot tempered.
Agreed. We had just gotten a puppy whilst I was reading, and I named him Tyrus after the man
RIP, Mr. Ty Cobb - The Georgia Peach - Plz send our regards Charlie Hustle!
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great player great interview.
12 batting titles, 9 in a row. Impressive, to say the least.
No small task many great hitters at that time
I think this is the first I actually heard him speak. This is a treasure to behold.
This is the first time I Have Ever Heard The Voice of Ty Cobb !!...Incredible Recording For The Time !!..( Almost In H.D. !!).....This Is Truly One Of The Gems of Utube !!!...
His accent is so interesting to me. I can hear the Southern accent, but he did live most of his adult life in the North, so you can hear that mixed in too. I've never heard him speak before, so this is really fascinating.
I'm a cobb fan.he was tough and overcame a lot of adversity.
my dad was born in 24 and he told me that he was probably the best "player" ever and my dad LOVED the game. he's gone now of course but i like to think he even heard the game where ruth "called" his shot. he like mantle a lot as well. thinkin back to the seventies when i was a wee lad i remember him sitting in front of the little 12 inch black and white and call the pitches and how he would growl when the ump got it wrong. we watched aaron break ruth's title. and many other games during that decade. but he always help mr. cobb in the highest regard as far as ball players go.
and what really surprised me the most about hearing ole ty speak for the first time in my life is how educated he clearly was. not bad for a backwoods boy from georgia at the turn of the century (the last century of course). barely even an accent. any way thanks for the upload.
The only thing "monster" about Ty Cobb was his baseball IQ.
Great interview!
This is absolutely amazing! I didn’t know this interview existed. Just awesome!
That was great. My grandfather met Ty Cobb and held him in high regard. My grandfather was a shortstop who played the game the same way Ty did. Unfortunately, he was young and dumb and did some young and dumb things that cost him his shot but he remained a Tiger fan until the day he died.
Sadly, the Sporting News recently wrote an article citing the best athletes from each of the cities that have teams in the four major sports. They listed Al Kaline as the greatest Tiger and while Al was my hero growing up, they got that one wrong. Ty Cobb was the greatest player to lace em up for the Tigers and it isn't even close. If it was a popularity contest, okay, Al comes in first every time. But I think Al would admit they got that one wrong.
RIP Ty. It's a shame so many believe all the nasty BS that has been written about you after you passed away and didn't have a chance to set the record straight.
Ty Cobb, not Babe Ruth, was the first player elected to the Hall..
@Angry Grizzly what's YOUR point?
Not just the greatest Tiger, the greatest player ever .... Babe Ruth said so!
You’re absolutely right sir , I agree , it’s a shame and I definately don’t believe Kaline should hold that spot , I agree it isn’t even close . I’m shocked Detroit did that to Cobb in the ranking . God damn popularity contest , Cobb kept to himself more and was absolutely the greatest and lesser baseball minded people want to put Ruth on a pedestal as well labeling Kaline in that spot , they should be absolutely ashamed , ignorant because they don’t understand but act like they do. Btw I’m 38 years old , I want you guys to know that because I don’t want older generations thinking like how I do and assume Cobb is so lost to time as it goes on , I dug into the man of Ty Cobb and KNOW he’s the greatest in my opinion. I also want to make it a point that I pitched up until college then I joined the service . I knew the game and believe I come from school of hard knocks baseball , I always looked to the guys who had true grit and Cobb was definitely one of them . He even served his country during the Great War as a chemical agent specialist. I’m an OIF vet myself
-Thanks for reading
Al Kaline as the “greatest Tiger”?!
Gosh they were WAY way off in that one. All due respect to Kaline, but he couldn’t hold a candle to Ty Cobb. Harry Heilmann and Gehringer and Hank Greenberg are all above Kaline too.
Thoroughly enjoyed this interview by both parties.
This is phenomenal!
Wonderful interview. After all the years of hearing negative comments about him, this was an especially insightful and a very warm exchange. I greatly appreciate it.
Best ever no doubt
I believe Cobb was the best All Around player to play in MLB !
Nobody focused on his work like Cobb. He was ultra-competitive and very driven.
wow. what a difference from the players today. Ty Cobb was so humble and kind. Those two qualities are missing today. what a shame.
Again the lying vicious press has bad mouthed this great player....they did the same to Albert Belle/and a great President Trump....fake news seems have been around a lot longer than folks wanna realize!!
Humble and kind? He was universally despised, hated, and shunned by people in the Baseball world. Having said that his ability, talent, and, claim to be the GOAT. can not be denied.
@michael bryant No, he wasn’t. If you’re interested in the truth, read Charles Leerhsen’s book that dispels all the misinformation put out by Al Stump.
@@michaelbryant2071 Most of the hate was blown out of proportion by Al Stump, the discredited writer that made Cobb out to be the most hated and racist man in baseball and lied in his book "Cobb" which was turned into a movie. Many if not most of these lies have been proven lies and you'll find no player of that era that would say they 'hated' Cobb, or 'shunned' him.
Cobb was a racist. Assaulted a man with no arms or legs. Used his spikes as weapons.
This is outstanding!
This was great.
Ty Cobb's baseball stats, including his .366 lifetime batting average, are off the charts. No one comes close.
.367
Cobb and Williams.
The best pure hitters.
Both intelligent students of batting.
Well , Rickey came pretty close to be fair .
This is great! I'm always looking for new Cobb interviews on here, they're such a time capsule. Thanks for the share.
The Al Stump books on Ty as well as the Tommy Lee Jones movie adaptation of Stump's final book on Cobb were grossly unfair to the memory of one of the greatest ball players to ever step on a diamond. "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty" by Charles Leerhsen correctly restores the smeared reputation of Ty done by Stump in order to make a buck; definitely worth a read as Leerhrsen methodically takes on and tears apart the Stump smears.
What an incredible interview this is! And what a gracious, humble man Ty Cobb comes across here, indicative of what he was in real life; not in the fiction created by two bit author Al Stump.
Cobb was easily the most intelligent ballplayer of his time, and his scientific study of hitting and baserunning, in addition to his DESIRE to be the best, made him what he was. That said, Jones' portrayal of Cobb was pretty accurate when you consider how Cobb was regarded by his peers (teammates included). In addition to being the best ballplayer of his era, Cobb was a surly, deranged psychotic on the diamond, according to his fellow ballplayers. He went out of his way to antagonize opposing players, and even his own teammates on the Tigers if, in his paranoia, he felt threatened by their influence on the team. As to Leerhsen's book, I read it. Rather than smearing, it actually creates a "reputation" that Cobb never had. Not an easy task considering it was 100 years after the man played. Leerhsen painstakingly cherry-picked archives that were favorable to Cobb, or offered an alternative path of thought for the reader to take. Leerhsen's book is mainly a searing character assassination of...Al Stump, a writer who did actually spend a considerable amount of time with Cobb. If you'd like to see just how much of Cobb's life Leerhsen left out (or ignored because it didn't fit his agenda), read "Ty Cobb UNLEASHED: The Definitive Counter-Biography of the Chastened Racist". The author, Howard Rosenberg, addresses the omissions of Leerhsen's book, as well as the campaign, a century after the fact, to create an image of Cobb as being "misunderstood" by modern baseball fans, and "misrepresented" by Stump.
Great Stuff! Rest In Peace, Leo ~ ya dun good!
Incredible historic interview with a baseball icon. IMHO; the greatest MLB player ever. Unfortunate that so many younger people dismiss him as a racist scumbag. He wasn't! He was a product of the times in which he lived and the experiences he collected during his lifetime. An immense talent who may never be eclipsed.
Hey, liked your post! The media of today make the same mistake over and over! They look at historical figures and events through the context of the 21st century. Ty Cobb's legacy is a perfect example of this flaw. The man was born in Royston GA in 1886, just 25 yrs after the Civil War ended. Of course his attitude towards black people, when compared with today's social context, is considered beyond the pale and any one holding such views will be immediately condemned as mean spirited, ignorant or just plain evil.
Two incidents in Cobbs life should be considered as they show that Cobb held some extremely progressive ideas regarding race. Especially for a young man from the deep South living in the first 2 or 3 decades of the 20th Century.
The first involved a young homeless black man living on the streets of Detroit where Cobb recently had begun his MLB career with the Tigers. Cobb invited the youngster into his home where he was fed, clothed and educated under Cobb's largesse. It seems he stayed with the Cobb family for years.
The second case can be seen as a slap to the face of Jim Crowe's southern establishment! Cobb had become an extremely wealthy man through keen real estate dealings, investing heavily in Detroit's fledgling auto industry, and most importantly investing in a local Georgia based soft drink company called Coca-Cola and run by his friend, Asa Candler.
Cobb, wanting to give back to the people of the Royston region, he funded a state of the art hospital to be built in Royston. However, there was one caveat to be met and that was it must admit blacks regardless of their ability to pay. This was unheard of in the mainly white hospitals of the South, or any other part of the US, for that matter.
I believe Cobb had a flawed character and at times bent to a darker side of himself, but seemed also to be a source of friendship, money and solace to any number of his old baseball contemporaries and team mates who should find themselves down on their luck!
Ty Cobb's Grandfather was a conscientious objector to the Confederate Army in the Civil War. His father was a judge that defended black people in Georgia and later North Carolina in trumped up criminal cases. KKK-types were regularly threatening his father. He was shot accidentally by Ty Cobb's mother who thought an intruder was in the house (they were regularly worried about this due to Mr. Cobb's stature as a judge at the turn of the century. Stump was a big-time fraud and invented Cobb's persona of a being a KKK-supporter and all that nonsense. His family had a long tradition in the South as anti-racist and trying to be fair, grandfather, father and one uncle, who all worked in or around the legal-political professions.
It was better than that. His Grandfather conscientiously objected from the Confederacy over slavery, his father broke up a lynch mob (a 1/4 of documented lynchings were of whites), and he felt that segregated baseball was wrong...
This is really good audio quality for how old it is. Sounds like it was recorded recently
the greatest ball player who ever lived!! no question
I ride my bike in Detroit a lot, and I pass by the two different houses he lived in at various points in his life. One is in Woodbridge just a mile from The Corner where he played. It’s cool to imagine him commuting to the stadium in 1905. Did he take a streetcar or did he walk? His grown-up house is further out in Boston Edison on Atkinson.
Great interview
Ty was the best
Leo made the interview about Cobb. Today's media darlings make the storyline about themselves.
Outstanding interview! So refreshing, compared to most everything we must insure currently on ESPN or FOX Sports from today’s athletes.
So true. The majority of today's pro athletes are conceited, selfish, egotistical , over-paid. They take all of the credit for their good fortune, and forget all of the people who have heiped them along in life.
Insure or endure?
Someone really needs to make a movie on how Al Stump completely lied and dragged Cobb’s name through the mud for his own gain.
I went scrolling through the comments because if someone didn't make that point, I was.
That movie with Tommy Lee Jones was terrible. Jones played him like a screaming insane nut. That movie was made about 30 years ago and I don't think I have ever heard hear anybody mention it. I don't think anybody knows the movie was ever made. It was that lousy.
Amen, what Stump did to Cobb was disgusting.
@@gargantuaism I watched it. Was trash and Stump should’ve been sued for defamation
Why was he in Manchester?
I went to one of the famous Manchester "Baseball Dinners" back in 2000 with my dad; such a great time!
What was served for dinner? Was it tasty?
@@christopheroliver9854 chicken
The Georgia Peach! Hands down greatest hitter to EVER play the game. Legendary
Pete Rose
@@jonnychingas5757 yep..
@@jonnychingas5757 Ted Williams.
@@fredstein5429 Ted Williams.
@@fredmar6436 The numbers speak for themselves
Ty Cobb was very close friends with my great grandparents. In 1902 he gave them a car as a wedding gift.
Great Story! I have to say that Ted Williams gave Leo Cloutier a Cadillac as a birthday gift!
Played tough kill or be killed. Very humble in the end.
Rube Waddell was a superb pitcher (obviously)
Cobb with that strange seperated split hands grip..Im still experimating with that grip in senior slow pitch softball.
The "Georgia Peach", Ty Cobb. the greatest player ever to lace on a pair of spikes!!
Sharpened spikes
His own teammate even stated this never happened
Let’s hope no one ever trashes us after we pass away the way Al Stump did Ty Cobb. Hollywood is no better but they’re never interested in the truth. If there was a Hall of Shame, Al Stump would be in it.
Ken Burns never did research on Ty- he got stumped
I think ty cobb was like Pete Rose, tough, hyper competitive and would do anything to win. I think he was a better guy than what al stump wrote about him
Whatever one feels about sports in general and the part they play in a society...Cobb distinguished himself on the baseball field as one of the best at a sport that was still in it's infancy... with regards to expected professional athletic performance.
The Ty Cobb movie starring Tommy Lee Jones is despicable filth portraying and focusing on Cobb as a bigot/racist/alcoholic. Nothing about baseball and what he contributed. I walked out of the movie along with many other baseball fans who anticipated better.
I love this interview
Good for you! Tommy Lee didn't do his homework ... what a disgrace!
He was the number one inductee into the Hall of Fame. Ruth was second. I'm not saying he was better than Ruth, but his contemporaries thought so.
Hard to compare the 2, both excellent players with different playing styles. While I believe every team needs a player like Cobb, I give the edge to Ruth who obviously hit for tremendous power but was no slouch hitting for average, maintaining a .342 for his career.
His contemporaries did not necessarily think so.
To hell with Al Stump!! No human being is perfect but to do what he did to Ty Cobb is completely and utterly 1,000% unforgivable!!
The Georgia Peach!
Hi Leo
I remember back in the mid seventies a friend of mine was renting an apartment on Walnut street next door to Joe Maltais. This building was owned by Joe. I remember my friend found some old film cans or audio tapes with your name on them. My friend at the time worked for a Leo Cloutier who owned Manchester Speed Shop. I think the labels mentioned New England Dragway and the dates were early seventies.
His son Herschel lived across the street from my family, Ty came and spent summers, sitting in the sun room, barking at us to get off the lawn, leave him alone and stop playing ball while he was trying to rest. My old man who was a doctor would accede to Ty's request and put him in the hospital with his strongbox and Coke stocks, to hide from troublesome people......
Great story. Ty Cobb supposedly spent his later years in a wheelchair with a bag of thousands in cash and a loaded Luger pistol. He got wealthy by investing early in Coca Cola.
Some of the greats of all sports were always humble away from the game but IN the game it was war. Ty Cobb, Ali, Dick Butkus, Jack Dempsey, Marciano etc. All were humble away from the sport but savages in the game.
Jordan
@Jack Dempseys left hook He was when he was out of character.
True greatness.
To know when to turn it on and off.
I stand corrected 34 times
Stole home base 24 times . Astounding !!!
Interesting that Cobb's favorite moment was a home run, and he was not fond of the home run.
Very cool
Cobb was the second highest paid in his era behind Babe Ruth. Very smart there also! A guy like Lou Gehrig of the Yankees didn't push to get paid what he should of and the Yankees took advantage of Gehrig!
Cobb and Ruth were sharp!
Ruth made $160,000 in 1930 and 31 or $80,000 a year. Most guys were making around $5,000.
Cobb was the first elected to the HOF, not Ruth
@@mitchelll3879 I wrote the second highest paid behind Ruth? My entire comment was about salary and money!
Second is there were five voted in the first class in 1936, Matty, Wagner, Johnson, Ruth, and Cobb but my post had nothing to do with the 1936 HOF vote, I posted about salary and actually complemented Cobb!
Cobb was on his way out in 1922. He already led the league in salary for something like 9 out of the previous 11 years. In his era, Cobb was the highest paid player. Ruth came to fill Cobb's shoes. He didn't.
$80,000 a year was the Babe’s best, but he made more money than President Hoover. When asked how he felt about making more money than the President, he stated that he should make more money than Hoover because he had had a better year than Hoover had.
Everything sure was different back then....
Williams, Mantle, Musial.
When I was a kid I thought he was a great player but also a mean, nasty man. I'm glad that I found out later he had been given a very bad rap and a lot of things were exaggerated. I still don't like that line about him in Field of Dreams. I love this interview.
🇺🇸 🌎 😄⚾️⚾️⚾️🏅
Pete should be in the HOF
Nope..There is a character stipulation in BASEBALL's HALL OF FAME..and I am not talking about his morals, or calling a professional working woman journalist in Philly at the '80 PHILS WORLD CHAMPS REUNION- "BABE" dismissively a couple of weekends ago just because he did not like her questions about his shady garbage and its consequences, a detestable act toward that journalist. By the way, I am not anywhere close to a lefty or an enflamed women's lib supporter. I just believe people should be treated with respect, especially when they are professionals working at their jobs unless they do something to validate not earning that respect.
That is not virtue signalling, but is championing the way that folks jave to behave in a supposedly civilized society, to preserve that society.
NO, I AM NOT TALKING though about character with that stuff listed above.. ABOUT THAT CRAP BY ROSE.
Noooo..
I am speaking of three major issues:
LYING TO THE COMMISSIONER OF BASEBALL..("No, I did not bet on Baseball")
SELLING ILLEGAL STEROIDS IN THE 1980'S..
BUT, WORSE THAN ANY OF THAT IS-
BETTING ON BASEBALL, not just as a player, but WHILE MANAGING.
The nites he did not bet on his team to win..even if he did not bet at all on any of their games on those days, was a tipoff that he had little confidence in his starting pitcher(injury?; or his pitcher on the onset of a mechanical issue that would lead to slumping, an issue only the pitching coach knew about?; hitters playing with injuries that had not been identified yet, psychological issues that popped up behind the scenes, personal homelife issues affecting concentration, etc?) or hitters(some of those same pitchers' issues), etc..
That lack of betting on his club, sent a message to gamblers on those days...make no mistake..
And, if his team was being bet on to win by ROSE, as a manager things could get very desperate if his club wasn't coming very close to meeting the expected run differential, even if his club was ahead at that time.
How did that affect strategy?
See..
Its just SIMPLY THE CASE..GAMBLING WILL KILL SPORTS IF THE GAMES' PARTICIPANTS ARE INVOLVED WITH IT IN THEIR GAMES AND THEIR LEAGUES' GAMES, INVOLVED IN IT to the detriment of their team..which that damage to the team is generally going to happen 90 percent of the time when or if, gambling rears its head. I personally believe ROSE IS 50/50 ON THAT BETTING AGAINST THE TEAM possibility as manager(he was initially a playing manager, remember?), QUESTION. He is just that kind of human being.
The fact is, if fans think the games are fixed and players and managers are corrupt in any form..FANS WILL STOP GOING TO THE GAMES.
ITS WRITTEN in a posted order and warning ON EVERY BASEBALL CLUBHOUSE WALL IN EVERY PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE:(PARAPHRASING)
ABSOLUTELY NO GAMBLING ON BASEBALL IS PERMITTED..
IF CAUGHT..ITS A LIFETIME BAN..
Why do you think that the punishment for GAMBLING IS ON THE AVERAGE, THE STRONGEST THERE IS IN BASEBALL for any transgression..?
And, I don't care if DRAFT KINGS, etc is linked with MLB..even if it increases accessibility and motivation for the players.
The issue issssss the ACTIVE PLAYERS AND MANAGERS doing it regardless of motivation or easier access..
ITS FORBIDDEN,
BECAUSE ITS THE KISS OF DEATH..
Don't believe me?..
Just hide and watch what happens if we ever get another BLACK SOX SCANDAL, ESPECIALLY IF ITS MUCH BIGGER NEXT TIME..
NO, ROSE is not material for a venture that is a marketing tool for the good of the game of Baseball, a HALL OF FAME..the keyword there is FAME..how famous do these players and managers get, and how do they use their fame to allow the game to grow, and the business of baseball to grow, and how does their fame honor their game's lore from the past; another marketing tool.
ITS NOT A HALL OF STATS, or SERIES TITLES, PENNANTS, OR PLAYOFF SPOTS, ITS A HALL OF....FAME.
And, before any of you have any ideas about "what about-isms" vis-a-vis COBB'S reputation and others, those that probably cheated WITH HGH OR STEROIDS in the 1990's but, did not get close to being caught, or just dodged that nabbing; before that is your retort, LET ME SAY: ITS TOO BAD THAT THE OTHERS WHO ESCAPED AND WHO WERE LIKELY GUILTY, WERE NOT CAUGHT..
But, several wrongs don't make a right, if we can have that "right" occur by promoting its safe passage, enabling us to establish a more secure foothold on blocking wrongs in the future and at least stopping transgressions in the past..
THEN WHY NOT TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE STUFF, that WE CAN, WILL, AND DO CATCH?
Sorry, I would keep the ban on ROSE..set an example for younger players..YOU GAMBLE ON BASEBALL, YOU END UP LIKE ROSE, getting it maybe forever, KIDS..
WHAT PART OF the clubhouse post: (paraphrasing)GAMBLING ON BASEBALL IS FORBIDDEN..
what part did ROSE not understand/COMPREHEND, exactly?..
Did he also break the law as per illegal steroid selling?
According to BIGTIME BASEBALL RESEARCHERS, he did.
No, character counts in the HALL'S CRITERIA IN Baseball, and for those that get caught not having a lot of it, WELL, you break the law, and/or Baseball rules, you pay the piper.
YOU WERE WARNED, PETE!
RIGHT?
WAS HE WARNED?
He wiped out his own pre-violations, legacy.
PETE ROSE DID THAT.
He can read.
Y E S!
No
Rose agreed to and signed his lifelong suspension from MLB.
I don’t think you compare players across generations, given the change in competition and segregated leagues. Barry Bonds in his steroid prime unquestionably the greatest hitter ever. But Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, Paige, Josh Gibson owned baseball in their prime.
Bonds is a cheating pos and should even be mentioned with the greatness that is Cobb.
I wonder what they had for dinner?
chicken pot pie was the traditional fare
@@leocloutier1912 MMMMMMM, chicken pot chicken pot chicken pot pie!
I wonder what Cobb would hit against today's pitching.
I read a story about Cobb that addressed this very question. A writer asked Cobb this very question in 1954, Cobb answered I would be lucky to hit around 200. The reporter was surprised and said something along the lines of, I know pitchers are better today but by that much? Cobb said, Well sir I'm almost 70 years old...
Cobb would hit .500 today.
@@bobhart677 I heard a different version of this story. Cobb was asked what he would hit if he played today (which would have been about 1960). He said, "I'd probably hit around .290." The reporter was surprised Cobb thought he would not crack .300, to which Cobb replied, "Well, I am 72."
Btw, I started using a version of Cobb's split batting grip when I was 13. I was not a power hitter and found it gave me great bat control and consistent contact. To this day, if a pick up a bat, it's with a split grip.
@@nickadams701 that’s real king cool about adopting his style of hitting
Probably only 275, but you have to remember. He'd be over 100 yo.
Mantle in 1957 at .365. Williams at .388. Musial at .351. Not bad!
And Williams was nearly 40 at the time. Who was the better hitter? Cobb or Williams? No one will ever solve that one. Different eras.
@@brendanjobe6895 Williams missed almost 5 years fighting in two wars and said he was never the same hitter after 1950 when he ran into the wall in Comiskey Park in Chicago in the all star game catching Ralph Kiner's drive.
Williams faced black players, the slider, closers, and night baseball but Cobb before 1920 in the Dead Ball era was around .385 facing spitters and all kinds of trick pitches deemed illegal in 1920 for most.
Williams up to 1957 was a .353 hitter and then hit .328, .254 in an injury filled year (neck) and .316 in 1960.
Williams 37, 130, 127 runs scored, 37 doubles, 5 triples, .482 on base and .634 slugging with a 1.116 ops!
Cobb 6, 104, 120 runs scored, 39 doubles, 16 triples, .433 on base, and .512 slugging with a .944 ops!
Williams basically way better in everything except average and killed in stolen bases but he killed in power and had more doubles per at bat.
Because of all the Williams walks, he averaged 143 a year, Cobb averaged 611 at bats to Williams 545 at bats.
Williams only struck out 50 times a year as a slugger! Cobb not much better with 36 strikeouts a year and only 67 walks compared to 143 walks for Williams.
The amazing thing is how many runs Williams averaged. 127 runs scored a year compared to Cobb's 120 and Williams with 37 doubles in 545 at bats to 39 doubles in 611 at bats and of course 37 homers and 130 ribbies to 6 homers and 104 ribbies and Williams on base almost half the time.
Williams at .482 to Ruth's .474 on base amazing and Williams second to Ruth at .634 slugging to .690.
I think overall Williams was the better hitter than Cobb. I like all the power, not just home runs and all the produced runs. Others may like the stolen bases but I'd rather have the power and let others steal bases.
I always look at Ted Williams and his replacement Yaz is a joke. Yaz had three 40 homer seasons and then over 20 years hit 328 homers that is 16.4 homers a season and was a .285 hitter.
Yaz had 124 homers and 334 ribbies in 1967, 69, and 70 and for the other 20 years had 328 homers and 1,510 ribbies.
So over 20 full seasons Yaz averaged 16.4 homers and 75.5 ribbies and was a .285 hitter for his career. It was actually under .285 because he hit .326 in 67 and .329 in 1970 with .255 in 1969 that is over .300 so in reality over 20 years:
Yaz was a 16 homer, 76 ribbie around .280 hitter with no speed! What is special about that?
Probably the most overrated player ever along with Robin Yount another fugazi HOF player!
@@brendanjobe6895 I'd take Ruth with an average over 544 at bats of 46, 143, 33 doubles, 9 triples, .474 on base, .690 slugging, 1.164 Ops, and a .342 average plus super clutch in the World Series in hitting and pitching. Ruth won 7 of 10 World Series and was 3-0 with a 0.87 era as a Boston starter and then in 1923, 26, 27, 28, and 32 as a Yankee over 85 at bats had 34 hits for a .400 average with 14 homers and 25 ribbies.
He had one bad series going 2 for 17 in 1922 and was 1 for 11 as a hitting pitcher with Boston so from 3 for 28 he then went 39 for 101 with 15 homers and 29 runs batted in.
Who is more clutch than Babe Ruth?
As a Yankee over 15 seasons he had 659 homers, 1,978 runs batted in and hit .349!
44 homers a year in a 154 game schedule!
Babe Ruth was amazing!
@@jacksmith5692 Ty for that informative comment. I agree with you about Yaz, who I've always admired, and I'm a life-long Yankees' fan. 😎👍 Yount, too, for that matter.
@@waynej2608 Yeah Yaz is not what they make him out to be. He had three 40 homers years and then never hit over 28 homers over 20 years and only drove in 100 runs twice (102) except for the three 40 homer seasons.
After 1970, he played 13 seasons and hit .301 once and never was a .300 hitter so again what was so great about Yaz?
Did he have blazing speed like a Lou Brock or a Rickey Henderson?
No!
The other thing is from 1961 to 1972, his contemporary in the National League was Roberto Clemente.
From 1961 to 1972, Yaz hit .291
From 1961 to 1972, Clemente hit .331
40 points higher over 12 seasons and Clemente was a right hand hitter so he got out of the box slower!
Any way you slice it Yaz was totally overrated!
Stole home 44 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ty Cobb interviewed by Leo Cloutier in 1958
Cobb was a mean mo-fo!
.367
When asked about who's the best player in the game today, surprised he didn't mention Mike Trout.
Ha ha
Yes, he should have anticipated Trout in 1958
They say he was supposed to be such a mean guy. But that’s clearly not the impression I get from this interview.. I think alot of bad things said about him are bull shit.
Babe Ruth..the greatest ever over a 1 year schedule, Micky Mantle the greatest in a world series situation in home runs at 18, but Cobb at a ONE game situation that HAD to be won that goe's to Ty Cobb. Case closed. Robert at 69.
They said so much shit about him AFTER he died but they wouldn't say shit to his face. Ty was a nice dude but he didn't fuck around! ... besides, even if some of that shit was true, HE WAS BORN IN 1961 IN GEORGIA. Do you remember the new years eve 1999 when one century clicked over to another? Yeah he was there for the one before that so don't judge.
Ty Cobb was born in 1886 and died 1961.
@@leocloutier1912 yeah I knew that. It was a typo
That book by that crook Al Stump was a real hatchet job.
The movie made him out to look like a bum.
Because it was based on a book written by a bum, a washed up sportswriter who couldn't hold a job due to his drinking. He was a coward to boot, waiting until Ty passed away to publish his piece of fiction.
The movie was a work of fiction. Al Stump never even went to the Lake Tahoe house, as portrayed in the movie, for example. lol
that's what the media does they are SCUM and sensationalize everything
To Hollywood the true cobb would be boring.
Wow, he sounds so mean and moody. I'm surprised he didn't kill Mr. Cloutier.
Tommy Lee Jones did a great job portraying him in the movie-biography.
@@chowtime2 You forgot your sarcasm tags.
@@LLPOF I think Jones did a great job. He always does. He didn't write the script that unfairly portrayed Cobb as a thug.
@@malbuff Hollywood actors usually do their homework - would Daniel Day-Lewis play Lincoln as a drunken brawler? Especially a Harvard-educated southerner (Texan) like Jones. He should have refused the part, but I guess he was 'Stump-ed' like everyone else and believed the bs. So glad the movie bombed ... time to set the record straight about the greatest player in the game.